1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: The very first model who started wearing extensions with Naomi, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: and actually extensions became a way of life. I remember 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: when Chris Rock was a young comedian, he used to 4 00:00:10,400 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: laugh about it in in his routine and talk about, 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, the young women wanting to look like they 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: were white. But that wasn't the reason. They were really 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: trying to just preserve their hair and have people who 8 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: could say, yes, I can handle this hair. It was 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: not because they didn't have a lot of people who 10 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: really basically understood how to use the decafair. There were 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: some white who did know who learned it, but not enough. 12 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: And so to keep you from losing a job and 13 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: to keep a job, you've just been that way. Didn't 14 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: want to look white, They just wanted to keep a job. 15 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: And that is the legendary godmother of fashion, Beth Anne Hardison. 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 3: It's the greatest discourse in entertainment can make. 17 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 2: You wouldn't carry. 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 3: Champions and carry champion is going to be a champion. 19 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: And the Carpi and John Shepi and they carri Sheppi 20 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 3: and they carried Shepy. 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,960 Speaker 2: Entertainment given word, My next guess is eloquence. She's elegant, 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: She's Trey, sheic, she is, jimsa Qua. These are all 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: my French words. In fact, many people, as you will know, 24 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,479 Speaker 2: look up to models and fashion icons like Naomi Campbell, 25 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 2: Tracy Ellis Ross Zindia. Pay her name right, Zindia, it's Zindia. 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: Excuse me. But they look up to those people. And 27 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: I will say this, it's hard to find who they 28 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 2: actually look up to, but today that is my guess. 29 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: They look up to beth Ann Hardeson, the model, the 30 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 2: founder of the activists, and now the documentarian. Her film 31 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 2: about her upbringing and her journey on leaving her mark 32 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: in the fashion world is out now in theaters, and 33 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: let me tell you you must. You must take the 34 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 2: time to watch this because the history, the stories, the 35 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: proof of life. It's something that you've never seen before. 36 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: It will really inspire you no matter what industry you're 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 2: in and no matter what your discipline is. We have 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: heard on Naked today. Now I'll ask you to be 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: a little patient because we did the interview a little 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: bit outside, and by saying outside, you may hear some 41 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 2: things in the background. But understand, if you can get 42 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 2: Bethann Hardisin, you get Bethan Hardison. Welcome to this edition 43 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: of Naked John Chaty and and care with chat Be 44 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: and and care with chat Well, first and foremost Naked 45 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: is just truly about people we honor. So when they 46 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: said you were available, I was thrilled. I have heard 47 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: so much about this film, this documentary that you have 48 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: Invisible Beauty, and I must say that what you represent 49 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 2: is everything that I represent. So again, honored and thank you. 50 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 2: Can you tell us about this film and what people 51 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: can expect? The film is a film a young man 52 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 2: named Frederick Chang who's my co director and myself. We 53 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: we co directed the film. It tells the story of 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: It tells a story about me, It tells about uh. 55 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 2: Segment tells me about growing up in Brooklyn, my family, myself, 56 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: but it also basically winds up telling you a lot 57 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 2: about the advocacy and the activism that I did in 58 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: a certain period of time in regards to the model 59 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 2: industry and the fashion industry to sort of help to 60 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 2: see that the industry had changed so much that the 61 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: fashion model of color had disappeared, and that disappeared for 62 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: two lengths year of time. 63 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: It was more than like a trend. It just became 64 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: a situation that came me knowing the industry as I 65 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: had known it, knew that it could be better, shouldn't 66 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: be that way, and I sort of made some sort 67 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: of differences to make a difference, and then it changed. 68 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 2: I have read about you, and I know about and 69 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: you can correct me if I'm wrong about your upbringing, 70 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: Brooklyn that sided to be more specific. 71 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: Say it again, bedf for stubs. 72 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 2: Oh okay, good, okay, making sure we want to make 73 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: sure we get it right, because I don't. 74 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: Think I grew up in and that bedsizes far when 75 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: I was long gone, far different, far different. 76 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: And then, from my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong. 77 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 2: You lived with your father and Crown Heights at a 78 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: period of tsaid and then and then, from my understanding, 79 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: you were the first in a lot of realms, like 80 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 2: the first black cheerleader at your school, your high school. 81 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: You spent the summers with your grandmother in North Carolina, 82 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: where you solve segregation firsthand, and you were able to 83 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 2: witness things in which I'm sure some of us could 84 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: only know that we watch in television today. And all 85 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: of that I believe helped create who you are in 86 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 2: this beautiful package inside and out. How did your upbreaking 87 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: make it imperative for you to start the Black Girl's 88 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 2: Coalition and be the activist that you are in the 89 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 2: fashion industry. 90 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't, you know. Honestly, A lot of people ask 91 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: that they wondered for I got things from my father. 92 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: He was not an activist, he was an email. They 93 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: wondered if I, you know, maybe the things I did, 94 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: I look back at them, writing sometimes trying to make 95 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: sense of it. But I think it's just that certain 96 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: people come to Earth to do certain things. I think 97 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: in my case it was purely the case. I think 98 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: I was just meant to do what I did. Whether 99 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: I had gone to Wingate High School or not, maybe 100 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: I would have done these things. But I never thought 101 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: it was a leading to a situation. I was just 102 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 1: in the right place, right time, but the right person 103 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: in my industry. I really believed that. I really believed 104 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: that if you help them to understand that the rabbit 105 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: holes they were going down, that they showed it that 106 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: they were making this error, that they were corrected, but 107 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: they were corrected, and they would fall back if you 108 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: didn't stay right on them. They sort of slipped back again. 109 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: But once you laterly let them know that, no matter 110 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: what the intention or not. Then when I wrote those letters, 111 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: whether it's their intention or not, they use one black 112 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: girl and no black girls or two, you know, with 113 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: a group of thirty five consistently, then no matter what 114 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: they think, the result is racism. And I think in 115 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 1: my industry no one was to think they're racists. 116 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 2: It's interesting that you say that. Can we focus on 117 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: that for five seconds, because I do believe people genuinely 118 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 2: don't think they're racist. They have the finger. I do 119 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: have black friends, but there is such a bias. There 120 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 2: is such a social bias, and I hear about it 121 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: to this day, especially in fashion. How much progress have 122 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: you seen since you first broke through as one of 123 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 2: the few, if not the very first supermodel there was? 124 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: That was fun. Yeah, well we were supermodels, Like goodness, 125 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: we were just models. We were top models. We were 126 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: girls who worked with all the designers. It's true supermodel 127 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: became a slogan in the mid eighties, but the end 128 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: of the day, I watched things. I was a runway model. 129 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't a print girl, so there's no supermodel there. 130 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: Runway girls were different. We really serviced the industry, the 131 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: manufacturing industry. The designers and print girls did editorial, log advertising, commercials. 132 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: They didn't do what we did. But eventually Calvin Plying 133 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: changed business. Things changed. Next thing, you know, the print 134 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: girls on the runway. I think, what winds up happening 135 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: with us when you see the changes that we all 136 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: had made. And even when I started my model agency, 137 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: yes I had a white model agency with a black owner. 138 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: I made sure it was diverse, but you could sort 139 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: of see these things that were getting the change. It 140 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: was good because all of a sudden, black girl because 141 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: of Regis Penez, because of this frenchman who came to 142 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: start American l in America. He liked girls of color, 143 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: so he put him on the magazine covers. He put 144 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: him inside the magazines, and that coursed the hands of 145 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: other publications like Sandy Nast and hers, so they started 146 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: doing so all of a sudden, for the first time, 147 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: girls of color was getting equal time editorial. They were 148 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: going not only just doing studio work, they were going 149 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: on location shoots. So it became a change, and that 150 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: was wait to see. And now it's even changed further. 151 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: But that it took a while. It took me about 152 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: ten years to get them to do study. They went 153 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: back and forth, they would fall, they would go three 154 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: steps forward and then or four steps back. Yeah, but 155 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: it did change. 156 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: It has changed. But I hear things often from women 157 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: that I know, uh, that that are in the industry, 158 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: that soul complain of. I can't find the right foundation, 159 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: I can't find somebody to do my hair. I still 160 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: struggle with some of the true, the tried and true 161 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: black issues of a black woman. 162 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: Have you seen a difference, Yeah, because there was a time. 163 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: There was a lot of times where they didn't have 164 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: this many people who could actually understand the texture of 165 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: hair of color. That's the reason why girls started wearing uh. 166 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: But it called extensions. The very first model who started 167 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: wearing extensions was Naomi and actually extensions became a way 168 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: of life. I remember when Chris Rock was a young comedian, 169 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: he used to laugh about it in his in his 170 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: routine and talk about, you know, the young women wanting 171 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: to look like they were white. But that wasn't a reason. 172 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: They were really trying to just preserve their hair and 173 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: have people who could say, yes, I can handle this hair. 174 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 1: It was not because they didn't have a lot of 175 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: people who really basically understood how to use the dextra fair. 176 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: There were some white who did know, who learned it, 177 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: but not enough. And so to keep you from losing 178 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: a job and to keep a job, you've just been 179 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: that way. Didn't want to look white. They just wanted 180 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: to keep a job. 181 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 2: And that's still and the still is the case today 182 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 2: in many. 183 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: No, no, that's not true. 184 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: You think it's. 185 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 1: No, there's more people now if you go backstage, now 186 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: you see it's a big difference. Surely, Sometimes people there's 187 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: still some person you're going to meet that might have 188 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: some story that says, I couldn't believe they didn't have 189 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: my foundation and they're a blue black person, Well don't 190 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 1: expect them they're going to have your foundation because you're 191 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,599 Speaker 1: not common in the society. Now, you've come from a 192 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: certain place that makes it willing that sometimes you now 193 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: can have the reason to have that. But there are 194 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: times that people have said, you know, I know, maybe 195 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: say five years ago, they said they didn't have my foundation, 196 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: but there are a blue black skinned person, So they're 197 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: not going to have your foundation because there are not 198 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: enough of you that ever demanded. It's like anything right now, 199 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 1: now they know how to mix things with the new, 200 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:29,359 Speaker 1: different things between a Emon Cosmetics, Rihanna Cosmetics, Bobby Brown Cosmetics. 201 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: People learn so many shades because more people of those 202 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: shades start to live in America, in our environment, in 203 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: the model industry. You can't blame the guy who don't 204 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: know any better. You just got to find a way 205 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: to make sure. That's what Naomi camp I mean, they 206 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: have a senators to do. She used to mix her 207 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 1: own color foundation and that was back in the seventies 208 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: and eight, you know, so then you find a way. 209 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: As a model, we always found a way. Yeah, if 210 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: you can't do it, I'll show you how. 211 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: If you are referred to many and I don't know 212 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: if you're a fan of social media, but you were 213 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 2: referred to by many, which I think you know as 214 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: the godmother of fashion. And there is a there's a 215 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 2: group of women that I follow different industries that may 216 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: or may not know each other. But they have posted 217 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: the teaser, the trailer if you will, of this film, 218 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: and then it's an homage. How does that make you feel. 219 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: Like people are going out to see the film. That's 220 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: what we want. No, it's a really a good film. 221 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: People love the film. It's like it's been a crowd. Please. 222 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 1: I'm so happy for everyone because they're so taken with it. 223 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: You know, they it's not a fashion film. It's fashion related. 224 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: That's the good news. It's it's had so many layers. 225 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: People cry, people find a lot of here with us. 226 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: I'm funny, I'm witty, but they really a lot of 227 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: people find so much emotion. They are moving, men cry, teenagers, women. 228 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot to it. So it's wonderful 229 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: that everyone. No one says, yeah it was I thought 230 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: it was okay, No one says that, So that says 231 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 1: a lot that you know, that's the testament to the 232 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: good product and good production. And I'm very proud of that. 233 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: And I also like people seeing it in the movies there. Yeah, 234 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: that's very important. Yes, your makeup. Yeah, I'm sorry, honey, I. 235 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 2: Know I was gonna say. That's what I wanted to do. 236 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 2: I didn't want to watch it on that film. I 237 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,719 Speaker 2: wanted to go sit and watch it and have the 238 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: experience you're larger than life. And that's the moment. 239 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: It's like the month. It's really that kind of film 240 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: we made it. The quality of the film music, the sound, 241 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: look of the film, everything is you sit there and 242 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: you want to have it with the other when you 243 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: listen to the audience all laugh at the same time. 244 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: I went to Yell Springs, Ohio to meet with Dave 245 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 1: Chappelle because she wanted to screen the film in his 246 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 1: little local theater there in Yell Springs, and he did. 247 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 1: And just to watch listen to people, you know, think 248 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: at the same things or all laughing, and the audience 249 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: experience is really wonderful. 250 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 2: I wonder how you see yourself. Are you one that 251 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: can take compliments? When you were so revered and admired, 252 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: can you receive compliments? Is it uncomfortable for you? 253 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: People say I'm too modest and all that stuff. If 254 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 1: I could take the compliment, I'm just not someone who's 255 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: going to talk about me so much in a lengthy 256 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: where I need a backup band, you know, like you 257 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: know your crew that comes along and says, I get 258 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: out of the way, let me tell you how about her. 259 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: That's that's always worked most of my life. But I'm 260 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 1: very you know, people do say I'm a little too 261 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: modest in my thinking. Like I say to a lot 262 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: of the audiences that I didn't know I had a story, 263 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: and they're like you after they watched the film, how 264 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: could you think that? Well, now, as you've seen the film, 265 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: I know I had a story when I saw that 266 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: the four hours of footage that Frederick could put together. Yes, 267 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: I knew then I had a story. But up until then, 268 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: you're busy doing the work. You know, you're just out 269 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: there doing the work, and you don't think you have 270 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,559 Speaker 1: enough footage, you don't think you have enough archives. And 271 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,599 Speaker 1: then you find out you do have that much and 272 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: you really can, you know, see what you've done in 273 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: the past. But when you're doing it, you're just bleeding. 274 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: You know, you're just doing it and balancing. Someone stops 275 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: and puts all the stuff together. Then it changes your 276 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: own perspective. 277 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 2: Why is that? Why is it? Checklists? Checklists, checklists move 278 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 2: on to the next without stopping and understanding what the 279 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,239 Speaker 2: what you've been able to accomplish. 280 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: I can stop and understand what I can do, but 281 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: I don't hold a fact itself on the shoulders because 282 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: there's so much more work to do. I mean, in 283 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know that you know, 284 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: oh god, you know what it's like to write those 285 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: letters that that was major move you know, you write 286 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: letters telling the whole international industry that this is you're 287 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: slapping them on the hand. But you do it because 288 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: you have to keep believing. And the people who you're poking, 289 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: I just do believe that they once they see it 290 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: the way I'm saying it, they're never going to think 291 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: of whe be that person. So sometimes you just do 292 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: things and you hope it works, and then you just 293 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: keep it moving. Just got a bigger life than just 294 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: what you did. 295 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 2: You did be right back. We gotta pay some bills. 296 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 2: We have more with Beth and Hardison. 297 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 3: Every champion and carry champions. To be a champion, a 298 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 3: champion and carry champion and carry chat be out a 299 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: champion and carry champion and carry Chappy afraid is the 300 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 3: sports and entertainment can naked weird very champion and carry 301 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: champions to be a champion, a champion and carry champion. 302 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 3: They shot a champion and cary champion and carried champion 303 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: entertainment getting naked word. 304 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 2: Welcome back to nake it everyone. I appreciate your patience. 305 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: You know what we do pay those bills here today 306 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: again we have the living legend Beth and Hartisan. When 307 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: you think of the fashion industry and your contribution, how 308 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 2: have you left it better? 309 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: Well, look, well we have really made a difference that 310 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,120 Speaker 1: you know, people know, like Prize magazine that black girls 311 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: and Latinas get married and Asians get married too. That 312 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: was a great thing that I did when I have 313 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: my model agency. Having a white model agency helped the 314 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: great deal because you get to see the deals. You 315 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: get to see who gets what, who gets what. You know, 316 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: you get to see that you can, you know, step 317 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: out and have the backup of some celebrated faces to 318 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: help tell the the international press that that this is 319 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: happening in my industry. And it's helped because nobody wants 320 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: to think that they are racist, not in my industry 321 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: because they're creative. But you know, I tell them oftentimes 322 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 1: liberals or borderline races oftentimes out of ignorance. You know, 323 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: you can say you don't want to be you can 324 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: say I'm not, but you just got to be careful 325 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: not to go down the rabbit hole that makes you 326 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: look like you are. And that's based on ignorance more 327 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: so than complete Because somebody, if they told me they 328 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: were racist, they didn't care. They didn't get those black 329 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: girls out of my face. I would just keep it 330 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: moving and go out to the next person. I think 331 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: I could convince, but that never happens. It's always like, okay, okay, 332 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 1: they got it right away. 333 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong. It sounds like the humanity 334 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: with the marginalize, you've made the black and brown girls 335 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: be human as opposed to not being human. We get 336 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 2: married too, we have issues too, we have the same 337 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: exact heart, we beat like they do. That's what it 338 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 2: feels like to me. Do you see it that way? No? 339 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: I you know it interesting to say that. I never 340 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: thought that they didn't think that we were keep chewing too. 341 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: But I always knew that we were falling into some 342 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: sort of like vacuum if we didn't if we didn't 343 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: racially integrate. I feel the same way when it's all black. 344 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: I want to see some brunettes. I want to see 345 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: some redheads. I want to see simple ones. When I 346 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: talk diversity, I'm gangster with that word. I mean it. 347 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm not just trying to help black people. I'm trying 348 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: to help white people. That's always been my issue. I'm 349 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: trying to educate people from just losing the opportunity to 350 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: know each other. We're so much better when we know 351 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: each other. I think you created the Black Girl's Coalition 352 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: was I know you created the Black Girl's Coalition within 353 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: what was your purpose when you said this is what 354 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to do. I'm going to create this coalition 355 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: to do what It was really basic to get them 356 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: to recognize that that was the first time that that 357 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 1: many black girls were working in the industry in that 358 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: manner doing editorial. And the only way you could be 359 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: part of the Black Girl's Coalition is if you were editorialized. 360 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: You had to be recognized. That way, I could use 361 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: your what we say, as as Ronica says in the 362 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 1: Fill Our Good Looks into activism was advocacy as ACTI 363 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: the wors is because I was basically trying to save 364 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: my city of homelessness and make more people conscious of it. 365 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: So I use these girls to get them together to 366 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 1: show how they can take their you know, their celebrity. 367 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: That's true because they're in magazine and have them do this, 368 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: and if they can, then they go see that they 369 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: can work together as women, which is a lot of 370 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: times doesn't happen. Then your models that's even more competitive. 371 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 1: You can work together as models, and then you're black 372 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 1: on top of it. You can work together as and 373 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: look what the story we're gonna bring. We're gonna find 374 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 1: little little companies that care about homelessness and mostly about 375 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: homeless children who are being double victimized. We're gonna give 376 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: them like four thousand dollars each and we're gonna improve 377 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: our industry and make them conscious of this problem we 378 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: were having in our city in the eighties was really 379 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: rampid with homelessness. So these are the little things. That's 380 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: how I started it. But then at some given point, 381 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: maybe four years later, I saw a problem in the 382 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: advertising industry where they weren't reflected their consumers. 383 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 2: That's all. You're the change that you wanted to see. 384 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: You've traveled the world, you live all over the world. 385 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 2: Is there one commonality that you have found no matter 386 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 2: where you are among the human condition with people you 387 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 2: interact with. 388 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: You know, each place is kind of different. I mean 389 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: a lot of places I live in there's a certain 390 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 1: amount of compassionate kindness. I like living in Mexico because 391 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, people are religious there. I like living in 392 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: Urracash and Morocco because people are religious there. There's that commonality, 393 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: so I at least surround myself and booking myself between 394 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: those two worlds everything in between. Not necessarily. People religious 395 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: are culturally concerned and concerned about others like they are 396 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: on those regions, but that's because that's part of their culture. 397 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: And I like being around people who have don't have 398 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: so much to remind myself how important it is to 399 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: look at how people can be so happy and not 400 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: have sixteen pair of shoes or fourteen forty dresses or 401 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: many you know, shoe guccies more than everybody else has. 402 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: And you know, and you find all those people have 403 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: so much love everybody, no matter what they look like. 404 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: They're hugging and kissing and holding hands, and it's always 405 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: wonderful to see. You don't see that necessarily in big 406 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: cities where people are trying to get the rent paid. 407 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: I love that you don't need all the guccies and 408 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: sixteen pair of shoes as I. 409 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 2: Clean out for you. 410 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: That's true. We all have it. We all have it. 411 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: We're all collected. And if you're a black person, you collect, 412 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: that's what you do. It's true, it's true. We can't 413 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: help it. 414 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: We can't help ourselves give me, give me, give me. 415 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: I know I'm a huge fan of yours. I love 416 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 2: your son. I think he's amazing as well. I think 417 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: it makes perfect sense that genius beget genius in very 418 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: different ways. I thank you for taking the time. I 419 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 2: know you have such a busy schedule. Everyone go check 420 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 2: out in Visible Beauty. 421 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, and that and just 422 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: so to add to it, Carrie, thank you so much 423 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: too for having me on. I love looking at your face, 424 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: even though at Holy see why. I just want to 425 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: tell you that the film is playing in most cities 426 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: right now starting tomorrow there and from New York to 427 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,119 Speaker 1: West Coast to East coast, and to please look it 428 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: up on Invisible Beauty dot com, movie dot com Invisible 429 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 1: beautymovie dot com and you can see the schedules of 430 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: where the films are. So it's really wonderful that we 431 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: had this opportunity with Mike know Your Pictures to be 432 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: able to have the film in the theater, because it 433 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: metholoc for me to make this film that way. 434 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: It's a project that I'm sure that we needed, and 435 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: even if we didn't know we needed, I'm glad you 436 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 2: did it needed it needed you're gonna. 437 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: Go see it, and that's what's most important. 438 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 2: I will go see it. I will send you an email. 439 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 2: I'll send your people an email. I'm looking forward to it. 440 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: As you're telling this story, I visualize myself sitting laughing 441 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: in the theater. 442 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: Good for you, Good for you, you did good, and 443 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much for this. Thank I really appreciate you. Now. 444 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 2: I know you guys heard me say this, just really 445 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: quietly to this woman. This woman is eighty years old, 446 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: right this, this pioneer, this legend is eighty years old, 447 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 2: and she's no nonsense. And I didn't feel like we 448 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 2: really could appreciate everything about her because she is so humble. 449 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: I mean, if you did your googles, as the kids say, 450 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 2: you'd learned so much. She really is a special treasure. 451 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 2: And I am glad someone in their right mind decided 452 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: to honor her and celebrate her and document her legacy. 453 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 2: And she was a full participant. Make sure you check 454 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 2: it out. It's in theaters now. You just got to 455 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 2: look it up at Bethyandhardiston dot com and find out where, 456 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: in fact you can see it in your local theater. 457 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: I appreciate her for being there and she my friend, 458 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 2: is all of that. Honor it. This is it for 459 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 2: this edition, an Aco. See y'all next week.