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Speaker 1: back together and Buck. We've got a ton of stuff

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Speaker 1: great day. We have a big football game tonight, Thursday

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Speaker 1: it's interesting when you look at it. Right now. The

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Speaker 1: they have to do some damage there on the road,

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Speaker 1: so that that's a fascinating one. If the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: You know, we've seen it with Tampa Bay with Tom

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Speaker 1: go out there and challenge anybody. They can match up

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Speaker 1: with any of those teams. But when you think of

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Speaker 1: the team that's the most dangerous to them, you have

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Speaker 1: say the you know, the quarterbacks kind of cancel each

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Speaker 1: other out. They're both elite superstars who raise the level

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Speaker 1: of everyone around him. I think I believe in Buffalo

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Speaker 1: and their defense little more than Kansas City. I know

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Speaker 1: KANCA has done a nice job there, a you know,

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Speaker 1: the offense is what it is. As long as the

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Speaker 1: Holmes is out there and Kelsey's out there, they're gonna

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Speaker 1: they're gonna roll um. And defensively, they're playing with a

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Speaker 1: lot of young players, are seeing some of those guys

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Speaker 1: make progress and take steps. I think the Buffalo, if

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Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, but I don't know, they've lost the

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Speaker 1: game with Jordan Poyer on the field. Um, he is

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Speaker 1: a big piece of their defense. Even though you know

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott and their defensive pieces, I think I believe

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Speaker 1: in them holistically a little bit more than the Kansas

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Speaker 1: City Chiefs. I mean, there's a lot of reasons to

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Speaker 1: pass rush for a j F Fanessa also being a

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Speaker 1: so good in what they do. They don't do a lot,

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Speaker 1: but man, they do it really really well. Jordan's poor

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Speaker 1: being able to control the middle of field, making sure

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Speaker 1: way they're supposed to be played. And then there's this

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Speaker 1: cultural thing about the Buffalo Bills where they're kind of

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Speaker 1: like this blue collar team that they understand exactly who

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Speaker 1: they are and they play to their identity, rough, rugged,

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Speaker 1: tough team. And if you have to play them in

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Speaker 1: their place, yeah, good luck to you because it's a

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Speaker 1: very very difficult environment. And we'll get a chance to

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Speaker 1: see this weekend on NFL Network when the Montami Dolphins

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Speaker 1: have to venture up there with two of talking about

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Speaker 1: Lowe and we'll see how he fares in the cold weather.

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Speaker 1: The baby talented team that looks like the number one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm you know here, here's a question for you. I know,

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Speaker 1: you know it's this recency bias here. But if the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: who are one spot outright, yeah, who have a very

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Speaker 1: favorable remaining schedule, if they could get by the Titans

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Speaker 1: this week, they have three UH teams against teams with

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Speaker 1: three games against teams with losing records to finish out

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Speaker 1: the season, if the Chargers could get in based on

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Speaker 1: having seen them in the Miami Dolphins on the same field,

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Speaker 1: and that's keeping mind, no no Bossa, no Derwin James

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Speaker 1: in that contest. With that change that they enter into

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Speaker 1: this fray. I know right now as it stands, they

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the postseason. So they got so funny,

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Speaker 1: so funny the Chargers change it so funny that you

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Speaker 1: said that, Yeah, it does change it because DJ, you're

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Speaker 1: previous to the rundown that our listeners and viewers aren't.

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Speaker 1: And if you notice what we talked about contenders to

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Speaker 1: the throne, I only mentioned two teams even though they

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Speaker 1: certainly problematic when they have all of their weapons, when

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Speaker 1: they have everybody. On offense, it's one of the more

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Speaker 1: difficult offenses to defend because you have Mike Williams and

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Speaker 1: Keenan Allen who are great. But the blessing in disguis

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Speaker 1: has been the experience that de Andre Carter and Josh

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Speaker 1: Palmer had been able to get in terms of giving

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Speaker 1: them other players that they can go to. Austin Ecklas

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Speaker 1: still terrific catching the ball out of the backfield, still

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Speaker 1: can run it. I would like to see him have

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Speaker 1: a a meteor, a bigger back to shoulder load. But

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Speaker 1: they're good. And then on defense during James coming back,

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Speaker 1: Joey Bosa coming back, being able to put the pieces

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Speaker 1: of the puzzle there. We always think about the team

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Speaker 1: getting into the postseason that appears to be the hot team.

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Speaker 1: The Charges can be the hot team and with the

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Speaker 1: quarterback who can erase all the flaws? Yeah, the charges

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Speaker 1: are a problem. I would love to see that personally,

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Speaker 1: because man, who who wouldn't want to see Joe Burrow

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Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert duke it out for some significant titles

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Speaker 1: when it comes to it. Yeah. The other thing is

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Speaker 1: I think with Baltimore, um, look, let's see you know

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson gets healthy in time for the postseason and

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Speaker 1: they end up winning that division and able to kind

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Speaker 1: of hold the fort while he's gone. And now you've

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Speaker 1: got home games with a fresh, healthy Lamar Jackson in

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Speaker 1: the mix, and now you're seeing what J. K. Dobbins,

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Speaker 1: what that run game can start to look like. What

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Speaker 1: I'm getting at is there's a deep This is a

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Speaker 1: deep conference. You know, whoever gets in. The Jets, we

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Speaker 1: haven't talked about them. They're just on the outside looking in.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna finish up the season at Miami. That could

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Speaker 1: be a win and end game for both those teams.

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Speaker 1: Um so they're they're a team with his defense is

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Speaker 1: as good as there is. They just don't have the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And Mike Whites played well, but they don't have the

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Speaker 1: quarterback to match up with the other elite superstars there

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Speaker 1: in the a f C. And that's the thing that

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Speaker 1: we've seen in the tournament. In the tournament, it's about

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Speaker 1: quarterback play, and you have to have a start. You

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Speaker 1: have to have you do like Yeah, as much as

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Speaker 1: we like to uh romanticized the game manager and having

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Speaker 1: the pieces around him, hey, the team can carry him

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Speaker 1: in YadA YadA YadA. In the tournament, you have to

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Speaker 1: have an A level quarterback to have it as to

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Speaker 1: team from the opposition. And so when we think about

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Speaker 1: the great quarterbacks that are in the a f C,

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Speaker 1: at the end, it's gonna be the quarterback competition, the

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Speaker 1: one that we used to see at the Pro Bowl. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: your quarterback is going to have to be the one

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Speaker 1: to carry over the finish line because that's just the

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Speaker 1: way the games played. Well, It's gonna be a fun,

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Speaker 1: be some good teams that don't make the postseason this year,

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Speaker 1: just the way it goes, but it'll be fun to

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Speaker 1: follow and see who can give a challenge there to

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Speaker 1: the reigning champs in the Cincinnati Bengals. Alright, reminder, Saturday

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