Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted.
Speaker 2: The Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch, hosted by me, Terry Hatcher,
Speaker 2: my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen, and my real life
Speaker 2: daughter Emerson Tenney. Today we are talking to the amazing
Speaker 2: Richard Burbie. The heart wants what the heart wants, and
Speaker 2: we know your heart wants to hear about Karl Meyer,
Speaker 2: as you, of course remember him. We have the honor
Speaker 2: of catching up with what he's into these days and
Speaker 2: learning which character he almost played on the show and
Speaker 2: where his favorite place on Wisteria Lane was to hang out.
Speaker 3: His answer makes me blush just a little. Let's jump in.
Speaker 3: Welcome to Desperately Devoted, our little rewatch podcast that we've
Speaker 3: got going. We're so glad to have you here. We
Speaker 3: really have been having such a great time actually revisiting
Speaker 3: the show ourselves and revisiting it with cast members. Have
Speaker 3: have you just you haven't seen it recently? Right? Or
Speaker 3: have you?
Speaker 4: I don't have a TV and I am rarely am
Speaker 4: on my computer.
Speaker 3: Oh right, that's amazing. Now, Okay, I'm going to jump
Speaker 3: to a question that I was going to ask you later,
Speaker 3: because sometimes we do ask people, are you desperately devoted
Speaker 3: to anything. But I seem to recall you being desperately
Speaker 3: devoted to surfing. Is that what you're still doing, and
Speaker 3: why you don't have a TV and why you don't
Speaker 3: have a computer.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, I was just up in Nova Scotia.
Speaker 5: My son lives up there, my firstborn. He's twenty nine.
Speaker 5: We went surfing the other day in Nova Scotia and
Speaker 5: I hadn't served since I was dating this gall in Florida,
Speaker 5: so it was about a year ago.
Speaker 4: So but I'm back in Jersey.
Speaker 5: So I'm devoted to, you know, my trees and mother
Speaker 5: nature and trails and streams. And I got my girlfriend
Speaker 5: in the back, this beautiful stream. Well I fall asleep
Speaker 5: with every night and have my coffee with in the morning.
Speaker 5: And she's lovely and she's connect to a beautiful ecosystem.
Speaker 4: There's like in a little place.
Speaker 5: I took my nephew's fishing there the other day, and
Speaker 5: I you know, I jump in and slowly, slowly, so
Speaker 5: I'm a fresh one most of the time. But I'll
Speaker 5: have to do the hours slept down in the Jersey
Speaker 5: shore and it's not like California surfing.
Speaker 6: So oh yeah, the Atlantic's different.
Speaker 3: Being devoted to nature is something I can totally relate to.
Speaker 3: You know, that's there's just nothing better. But I actually
Speaker 3: remember being on the set of Desperate House with you,
Speaker 3: and I don't know why, but you were telling I.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was when I was training for the triathlons
Speaker 3: that I used to do out in Malibu, and I
Speaker 3: was probably telling you about how I was afraid of
Speaker 3: great white sharks. And I remember you telling me about
Speaker 3: all the times that you would be sitting on your
Speaker 3: surfboard out in the ocean and that you saw them
Speaker 3: swimming around and that I shouldn't be afraid. Is that
Speaker 3: still true? I remember that correctly. Did we have?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I wanted to take you out. We never was able
Speaker 5: to do that for some reason. Right, you just kept
Speaker 5: dodging me. You had bigger You've had bigger fish on
Speaker 5: the line.
Speaker 6: It's never too late. I think you got to get
Speaker 6: her out there.
Speaker 1: But you have to come back to the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 5: Do you know?
Speaker 3: It's funny. A place that I love in the world,
Speaker 3: which is just across the pond from Nova Scotia, is Cornwall, England.
Speaker 3: And have you ever been there?
Speaker 5: I've seen pictures, but I've been to England. I'm going
Speaker 5: to Ireland for Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, Cornwall, England is probably one of my favorite
Speaker 3: places in the world, if not the favorite place. But
Speaker 3: I have taken surfing lessons there and they, yeah, I
Speaker 3: have a picture of me actually up on a surfboards.
Speaker 3: The water's quite cold, as I would imagine it is
Speaker 3: in Nova Scotia. But who cares you wear wetsuits?
Speaker 4: Not like Cornwall.
Speaker 5: But oh okay, no, because it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 5: still kind of end of summer up there. We were overdressed.
Speaker 5: My son gave me a full HOODI and was way
Speaker 5: over dressed.
Speaker 3: Okay, but surfing is a great is Did you have
Speaker 3: a full hoodie? No, I didn't. I don't you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think I just had like
Speaker 3: a pretty like a what's a thick one five millimeter?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Five six six?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I had a pretty thick.
Speaker 3: They don't even know what we're talking about. I think
Speaker 3: this is where you go, get a room. Get a room,
Speaker 3: Richard and Terry, just get a room.
Speaker 1: A hoodie wet suit would scare me if I were
Speaker 1: someone really afraid of the sharks. I feel like I
Speaker 1: would look even more like a seal.
Speaker 3: Yes, well that has crossed my mind.
Speaker 5: But a surf maker had actually thought about putting like
Speaker 5: some kevlar and embedded, so it would make if you
Speaker 5: did get chopped, it would make it harder for the
Speaker 5: sharks to eat.
Speaker 6: Well, that's good.
Speaker 1: I think that's a good advancement.
Speaker 7: I think it sounds like the two of you are
Speaker 7: prepared to go on your next surfing trip together, and
Speaker 7: please send me pictures.
Speaker 3: Okay, I will wave.
Speaker 4: Wait do you still have your Bookswagon Bus?
Speaker 3: I absolutely do. I still do. In fact, oh see,
Speaker 3: you would love this because you appreciate stuff like this.
Speaker 3: I put solar panels in the top of it so
Speaker 3: that when I the solar panels don't run the engine.
Speaker 3: But when I get somewhere I can be completely like
Speaker 3: off the grid with my solar panels running, like you know,
Speaker 3: my refrigerator and whatever electricity I would need. So it's
Speaker 3: it is still as I said to my daughter on
Speaker 3: our first camping trip in it when she was six
Speaker 3: years old. We went up to like big sur and
Speaker 3: I remember just feeling like this is this is all
Speaker 3: we need? Like I said that, Yeah you did, No,
Speaker 3: you did say that to me. But I mean you
Speaker 3: have always told.
Speaker 7: Me the story that Mom, this is all I need.
Speaker 3: No, the bathroom is like a kitty litter box. Basically,
Speaker 3: it's like a stool that you open up with like
Speaker 3: litter in it. I mean, wow, you said that's all
Speaker 3: you need. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 6: Okay, you know what, we have different needs. It might
Speaker 6: be mildly less true today, but not far off.
Speaker 3: I think being a minial minimalist is very advantageous. So
Speaker 3: I like that about myself. So okay, back to Desperate Housewives.
Speaker 3: So you haven't seen it, then it's what discovering. Nor
Speaker 3: had we and I'm really I think one of the
Speaker 3: things that has popped us off to us in these
Speaker 3: first ten twelve episodes is first of all, just what
Speaker 3: a magical place with steria Lane was in itself, but secondly,
Speaker 3: like just how great everyone was and is, and specifically you, Richard.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we have to start thank you, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 3: wild applause from the audience from all the fans. I
Speaker 3: think we have to start with the heart wants. What
Speaker 3: the heart wants? You must recall that.
Speaker 5: Oh so well, yeah, you know I had this whole
Speaker 5: interesting thing going in because you know, I originally tested
Speaker 5: from not tested, but I met Mark and the other
Speaker 5: fella who the director to Charles Plumber. Yeah, and Jamie
Speaker 5: had a contract with ABC and he's much more handsman talented,
Speaker 5: so he got the Plumber. So I had to do
Speaker 5: another show and then I came back and I had
Speaker 5: this whole different thing going, and so I just had
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know, it was just in this
Speaker 5: open space and so, yeah, that was such a fun
Speaker 5: line to chew you interesting.
Speaker 1: So because we were going to ask about your casting story,
Speaker 1: because we're finding it really fun to hear about how
Speaker 1: everyone ended up on the show. And one of my
Speaker 1: questions for you was, had you auditioned for any of
Speaker 1: the other male roles on the show?
Speaker 4: And you I originally I auditioned for the Plumber.
Speaker 5: Then I thought it was disaster because Mark and Charles
Speaker 5: were fighting, and I found this idea, like the name.
Speaker 4: And then my manager at.
Speaker 5: The time told me that ABC was was honoring Jamie's
Speaker 5: contract and he was the first pick, and he was terrific.
Speaker 5: Jamie's a sweetheart and he's good, and so he got
Speaker 5: the job. I was offered a showdown in San Diego,
Speaker 5: which only lasted. I don't know, like eleven or fifteen
Speaker 5: episodes or something, but it was like my favorite show
Speaker 5: because I could surf on the way.
Speaker 4: Going to San Diego is really groovy. Have you Terry,
Speaker 4: have you surf?
Speaker 5: Sorryle Many like Santa No Frey, have you been down
Speaker 5: I have not.
Speaker 3: I mean I have been down there because.
Speaker 4: I told you I was going to take you down there.
Speaker 3: Now I know, I know, We're not too late.
Speaker 6: It's not too late.
Speaker 3: Well he's in New Jersey now, so it's a little late.
Speaker 6: Plain surf ride.
Speaker 4: I have surfing ocean.
Speaker 3: I have never actually surfed the coast of California. So
Speaker 3: the only surfing I've ever done is in Cornwall, which
Speaker 3: I enjoyed, I loved. I would like to again, but no,
Speaker 3: I haven't.
Speaker 4: I have Like the only time I've served is Wyky Keys.
Speaker 6: I have to jump in.
Speaker 7: So the Mike and Carl rivalry was real from the
Speaker 7: very inception of casting.
Speaker 3: I guess so I.
Speaker 4: Love he always had a hair about me, but it's
Speaker 4: not on you.
Speaker 5: So I don't know because I was just in this
Speaker 5: place like I let it all go and I don't care.
Speaker 7: And well, how did Carl come back? And how did
Speaker 7: that role come back into your life because the.
Speaker 5: Show ended in San Diego. And then my manager said, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, they got this role coming up. They want
Speaker 5: to see if you're interested. And I said, yeah, sure.
Speaker 5: I went in an audition with a bunch of guys
Speaker 5: and I you know, I think I had a puff
Speaker 5: and I was just in this really like, oh I
Speaker 5: know who this guy is, and so yeah, I was
Speaker 5: just really in my body and really doing all these.
Speaker 3: Like wow, yeah, yes, a physical I want to talk
Speaker 3: to you about that. But I wanted to where did
Speaker 3: that because that physicalization it has stuck with me of
Speaker 3: yours for twenty years, and I remember just being so
Speaker 3: enthralled with it while you were doing it. I mean
Speaker 3: it really do you remember why that was a choice
Speaker 3: you made for that character.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Felt him to be really self absorbed, and so I
Speaker 5: then I put the concept to physicality, like what's in
Speaker 5: life and somebody's really self absorbed? And it could you know, uh,
Speaker 5: because I'm very tactile as well, like touching things and
Speaker 5: you know, and then I just thought, Okay, what would
Speaker 5: be like to really be self absorbed with myself?
Speaker 3: It's soome and it's so great that you have such
Speaker 3: a good body to be self absorbed with, because you
Speaker 3: know everyone else was also self absorbed with your body.
Speaker 4: From you know, I come from an area. I'm just
Speaker 4: a regular schmuck around here.
Speaker 5: You know, the people I grew up with, like you
Speaker 5: know so and I spent a lot of time in
Speaker 5: locker room.
Speaker 4: So I'm just a regular Joe.
Speaker 3: Well, the whole physicality thing, I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 3: it's kind of amazing and that I remember even like
Speaker 3: when you weren't there, we would be shooting other episodes
Speaker 3: and it would come up with the camera crew, like
Speaker 3: people would say, the heart wants with the heart wants.
Speaker 3: You know, It's like, you know, what do you do?
Speaker 3: You guys want to heal after work while the heart
Speaker 3: wants with the heart wants, you know, Like we didn't
Speaker 3: had a part of.
Speaker 1: The lexicon for the remainder of the shot. It really
Speaker 1: did iconic you doing that once?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it really did. Do you have any you know?
Speaker 3: This was another thing that I had forgotten and I think,
Speaker 3: I mean, we find as Andrew and I find as
Speaker 3: we watch it, we go like I don't remember shooting
Speaker 3: that at all, Like I barely remember shooting anything, And
Speaker 3: although I am finding very entertaining, I find it crazy
Speaker 3: that I remember so little. But what I really didn't
Speaker 3: remember was that Carl started sleeping with Brie in later
Speaker 3: seasons and became her Andrey right, So Carl was just
Speaker 3: a massive horror on Is there anyone he didn't sleep with?
Speaker 4: Maybe the heart on?
Speaker 5: Uh? Well no, I mean, I'll only get going on
Speaker 5: somebody I wasn't a lot crazy about.
Speaker 4: However, I'll get to that question.
Speaker 5: Do you remember when you said to me one day
Speaker 5: we were like, I just started on. The show is
Speaker 5: a second season, I think towards the end of the first,
Speaker 5: I don't know, and you said to me, you said,
Speaker 5: what are we doing?
Speaker 4: Are we doing shit? The show hadn't really taken it
Speaker 4: off yet, You're like, well, do we.
Speaker 3: That's really funny that you that. I don't actually remember that,
Speaker 3: but I can imagine, you know, some episodes were better
Speaker 3: than other episodes, some writing was better than other writing.
Speaker 3: And I can imagine that I would be the kind
Speaker 3: of person who would just be not like even mean,
Speaker 3: but just sort of like, do you think this is shit?
Speaker 3: Or do you think this is good?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: How are we going to work this out? Richard, like, what,
Speaker 3: how are we going to make this as good as
Speaker 3: we can make it?
Speaker 7: Wait?
Speaker 6: And what did you say back? What did you say
Speaker 6: to her?
Speaker 4: I really have no idea. I really think I said I.
Speaker 6: Had no idea, right right?
Speaker 3: Maybe?
Speaker 1: Maybe not?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't know why, because I never think you know,
Speaker 5: what I do is you know, I got it.
Speaker 4: I never think that like so, which is a nice thing.
Speaker 4: You know, keep humble totally, But that's why we have directors.
Speaker 1: But man, we are so enjoying watching you. We really are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, You're so great in it.
Speaker 7: I'm curious what is your I mean, say, for a
Speaker 7: character like Carl who you were talking about, how he
Speaker 7: feels so sort of self interested and absorbed and then
Speaker 7: he goes on to be the kind of horror of
Speaker 7: the neighborhood. What is your process as an actor for
Speaker 7: getting into a role like that or a character like that?
Speaker 5: You know, sometimes I know people like I just it
Speaker 5: pops off the page and I, you know, just like
Speaker 5: embody a friend or somebody I've seen, or it's an
Speaker 5: amalgam of things, and then the process is sort of
Speaker 5: hate to use the word organic, you know, it's it evolves.
Speaker 5: I did a play in La and it started one
Speaker 5: where and then I like I was that became a
Speaker 5: sort of old Jewish guy who took like this, you know,
Speaker 5: one character, I played two characters, so it's I don't know,
Speaker 5: it's sometimes it gets revealed over time. And then like Carl,
Speaker 5: I brought it in and and then I remember Mark,
Speaker 5: I forget what season was. I was like, okay, enough
Speaker 5: with the you know, like he's is. He didn't create it.
Speaker 5: He didn't it wasn't on the page, so he didn't
Speaker 5: have the sort.
Speaker 3: Of attachment to it.
Speaker 4: Like no, I mean I did. I loved, I loved
Speaker 4: all that.
Speaker 3: I loved just doing he asked you to pull that back?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, and did you.
Speaker 6: Sure we'll watch?
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 1: I have this idea in my head that I don't
Speaker 1: know if this is accurate, but maybe you can help
Speaker 1: clue me in if I'm right. I I assume that
Speaker 1: maybe when Carl came to be, they didn't know how
Speaker 1: much a part of the show you would be yet,
Speaker 1: and then when you came and were so amazing, and
Speaker 1: you had all these fun ideas and you gave this
Speaker 1: character just so much oomph and magic and identity that
Speaker 1: maybe they decided to expand on Carl's presence. Am I
Speaker 1: right with that assumption?
Speaker 4: Do you know anything?
Speaker 5: I think he was just there to punch around for
Speaker 5: a little while and then ended up, you know, being likable,
Speaker 5: and yeah, it happened.
Speaker 3: The last job I had to oh, yeah, well, well
Speaker 3: you are. You are fun to be around and very
Speaker 3: charismatic and likable, and so I can imagine, like why that.
Speaker 5: Expansion back at you? And I you know, look, we're
Speaker 5: like it drives me nuts. Two things drive me nuts.
Speaker 5: So we have what Ward shows, we already got the award,
Speaker 5: it's like, why we go. We're so blessed to be
Speaker 5: able to do this and to have like people like Grossman,
Speaker 5: who I was able to do another show with him
Speaker 5: or two afterwards, and.
Speaker 4: I love that. I just love working in this in
Speaker 4: this place where I'm playing all day and I get
Speaker 4: to play with amazing people like you guys. It's so yeah, I'm.
Speaker 5: I feel very grateful, very very blessed about the whole thing.
Speaker 3: I agree, it's quite a gift.
Speaker 7: You did you have any like stand out I mean,
Speaker 7: I know it was a long time ago, but stand
Speaker 7: out scenes or moments or things that really have stayed
Speaker 7: with you from the show.
Speaker 5: I know this is going to sound strange, and I
Speaker 5: really enjoyed being in bed with your mother.
Speaker 7: I know what clip we're using on social media for
Speaker 7: this interview.
Speaker 3: Well I enjoyed that, fan, Yeah, I know. Wow, Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh.
Speaker 5: Well right, I love working with your mom. I love
Speaker 5: working with your mom and people ask me that all
Speaker 5: the time. And I had fun with you know, the
Speaker 5: other girls down the lane. You're just your mom's pretty
Speaker 5: fucking awesome.
Speaker 3: That's you know, that's so sweet. I'm I mean, really,
Speaker 3: it's and you know what.
Speaker 4: Honestly, because I'm just tell the truth.
Speaker 3: Well, I love that, and when when I also love
Speaker 3: that my daughter's here saying listening to it, because sometimes
Speaker 3: there are people in my life that I'll come across
Speaker 3: that will say things to me like that, and I'll say,
Speaker 3: will you just go to my funeral because my daughter's
Speaker 3: an only child and there won't be a lot of
Speaker 3: family around here, and be really nice if all these
Speaker 3: people said these things so that my daughter would know
Speaker 3: I was a good person. So Richard, we're putting you
Speaker 3: on the funeral list, and you can perfect I love it.
Speaker 3: Can I ask you? Is there this is weird, but
Speaker 3: I do kind of I'm interested, what because you're such
Speaker 3: a process kind of person. Like my recollection of working
Speaker 3: with you is also that, I mean the same the
Speaker 3: way I like to work is like is it funnier
Speaker 3: if I say the line and then sit down, or
Speaker 3: is it funnier if I stand up and then say
Speaker 3: the line? Like like like really trying to you know,
Speaker 3: finesse the puzzle of the whole thing from a lot
Speaker 3: of different angles of thought. Is there something that you
Speaker 3: remember about working with me that was specific.
Speaker 8: Just how assiduous you were to the application of the craft,
Speaker 8: of figuring it out of playing, of trying this, trying that,
Speaker 8: being open to like, oh no, let's try it this way, okay, let.
Speaker 4: Me do like just being flexible and curious.
Speaker 3: Oh I can't think of anything nice to prepare and prepared.
Speaker 3: Well that's it.
Speaker 7: Well you're getting a big love festivals.
Speaker 1: Prepared to say the same things. I feel the same
Speaker 1: way about how fortunate I was to work with Terry
Speaker 1: for all of those years.
Speaker 4: Yeah you too.
Speaker 1: I mean I was really.
Speaker 5: Ready to tour and role model and a consummate pro
Speaker 5: and somebody's just fun and like, you know, bringing food
Speaker 5: to the set.
Speaker 4: It's such a sweet gesture.
Speaker 5: I don't know if anyone else did that, but that
Speaker 5: that it just spoke volumes of your character.
Speaker 6: What food did she bring to this out?
Speaker 4: I don't know the story, A cook's and whatever.
Speaker 5: I mean, it was terrible for the teeth and overall health,
Speaker 5: but it was a sweet I did bring.
Speaker 3: I did were you? Did you have a partake in
Speaker 3: the big tequila bar? Things I would do every Friday
Speaker 3: night on the camera truck.
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time in the camera truck.
Speaker 4: And that's all I'll say.
Speaker 3: Well, that was a lot of that alcohol was supplied
Speaker 3: by me, and we had a lot of Friday nights
Speaker 3: into Saturday mornings where we would we would finish up
Speaker 3: our week.
Speaker 5: I've always managed to find that, you know, the screw
Speaker 5: ups that I could go like, hey, I got a
Speaker 5: six pack.
Speaker 4: You know, hey, you any guys kind of.
Speaker 5: Do you find that there were nights we were gonna
Speaker 5: have like a glass of red white wine?
Speaker 4: Uh uh eva. And you know, we just work and
Speaker 4: do our stuff. And I've been on a bunch of
Speaker 4: shows like that. But you don't abuse it. You're just
Speaker 4: you're creating and having fun, right.
Speaker 1: Speaking of shows. We actually we were just saying that
Speaker 1: we saw you pop up on this season of The
Speaker 1: Morning Show.
Speaker 3: Which I loved, and it was great, how exacting to
Speaker 3: see you on there?
Speaker 4: It was it was really fun.
Speaker 5: I my son went to UCLA, so we shot it
Speaker 5: at Luskin Center in U c. L A.
Speaker 4: And I've stayed there and had a lot of fun there.
Speaker 4: Uh and uh.
Speaker 5: I was able to spy on the UCLA football team
Speaker 5: practicing right outside my hotel window. And it was just lovely.
Speaker 5: She was lovely, the cast lovely, John's lovely. Those really
Speaker 5: the only two actors I worked.
Speaker 4: With on that.
Speaker 3: Did you know John before.
Speaker 4: Or I did not know? We never crossed paths.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I'm but he's a sweet hat, a sweet
Speaker 5: cat who again really likes the craft and it is
Speaker 5: not what he appears to be because he's gotten such
Speaker 5: a rarefied air like a lot of you know, people
Speaker 5: like yourself and that get you know, recognized, and like
Speaker 5: Jennifer is.
Speaker 4: It's it's pretty creepy watching people you know, hover there.
Speaker 5: It's almost like parasitic or the like she's some some
Speaker 5: prey animal and you know all these hyaenas are It's
Speaker 5: it's pretty weird, but it was fun to watch and
Speaker 5: the director was super fun and I wish it was
Speaker 5: more like Grossman, you know that everybody was like Grossman.
Speaker 5: A couple of folks we had on Housewives where they
Speaker 5: want to come out and jam and you you bring
Speaker 5: your riff and then they're going to like, well how
Speaker 5: about this.
Speaker 3: And so, But it was sometimes there isn't space to
Speaker 3: do that. Were there other directors that ran through the
Speaker 3: seasons that you were on that you liked, particularly on
Speaker 3: Desperate Housewives?
Speaker 5: For some reason, I just remember him, but yeah, I
Speaker 5: love them all. And if you named him Mary, like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Larry Shaw?
Speaker 4: Do you remember Larry Shaw?
Speaker 5: My god?
Speaker 4: And Larry was great too.
Speaker 5: Larry was a lot of people didn't think he was
Speaker 5: as creative as he was because he came up through
Speaker 5: the ranks in a different way or I forget Larry's
Speaker 5: arc leaders look like a producer like in the Trenches guy,
Speaker 5: and a lot of people didn't thought he was had.
Speaker 5: He was kind of dry and you know, nuts and bolts,
Speaker 5: but he was super funny at times.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I liked him.
Speaker 3: I liked him a lot. We like the thing that
Speaker 3: I remember the most, we had a conversation once Larry
Speaker 3: and I like on the side, you know, of the
Speaker 3: set when they're changing the lighting and you're just kind
Speaker 3: of hanging out and waiting, And for some reason we
Speaker 3: came up with the conversation of how our favorite thing
Speaker 3: was both of us, was when your foot finds the
Speaker 3: cool spot in the sheets at night, like you know,
Speaker 3: when you go so and so. For years we would
Speaker 3: be like, did you find the cool sheets?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Foot found the cool sheet. It's just so funny how
Speaker 3: you have these little tiny things that you hook into
Speaker 3: your memory about with what one person's relationship with you was.
Speaker 4: Right, right, right right? Yeah, No, he was a sweetheart.
Speaker 5: You know again, I've had I had three concussions before
Speaker 5: I was fifteen, and other things have played their role
Speaker 5: in making me forget a lot of things. And plus
Speaker 5: I'm so accustomed to like absorbing a lot of stuff
Speaker 5: and then jet seeing it. So he went out with
Speaker 5: the jenison.
Speaker 3: I have that same thing too. I think it's like
Speaker 3: as an actor, I think you develop an acute skill
Speaker 3: at short term memory because you have to learn so
Speaker 3: much so quickly, and then the downside of that is
Speaker 3: that it just all goes completely away and you don't
Speaker 3: even know what you did yesterday. That's so interesting. I
Speaker 3: think you're right, right, Yeah, do you have that?
Speaker 1: I totally have that, but I never knew why or
Speaker 1: I never identified.
Speaker 6: It that way, But that's totally true. I'm curious.
Speaker 7: I want to jump back to something that you said
Speaker 7: talking about the Morning Show and the kind of like
Speaker 7: a parasitic dynamic maybe around how people viewed Jenner Anniston.
Speaker 7: Did you feel like any of that kind of same
Speaker 7: celebrity culture rubbed off on you at all at the
Speaker 7: time during Desperate Housewives, because that was We've had some
Speaker 7: conversations about, you know, how paparazzi were camped outside of
Speaker 7: my mom's house all the time while I was growing up, and.
Speaker 6: It was just such a phenomenon. Did that affect you
Speaker 6: at all?
Speaker 5: Oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the lightning in
Speaker 5: a bottle of that show was it's pretty rare. And
Speaker 5: not only did I have friends that came out of
Speaker 5: the woodwork, but people just treat you different. It's very strange,
Speaker 5: and that kind of repels me. But yeah, I remember,
Speaker 5: you know, walking down the street and Beverly Hills with
Speaker 5: an old buddy of mine. He was staying up in
Speaker 5: l A and chased down the street by t m
Speaker 5: Z and it was it was such a cliche Hollywood
Speaker 5: moment and I you know anyway, Yeah, so yes, that's that,
Speaker 5: but not to that extent.
Speaker 4: Where you know, your mom, like the girls were the
Speaker 4: we were just sort of the.
Speaker 5: Fluff and the film and your mom and the girls
Speaker 5: were you know, front and center and that, and like
Speaker 5: Jen's she and Reesa the star of the show, but
Speaker 5: she's got another another level of insanity to deal with.
Speaker 5: There's various levels and and I would I would not
Speaker 5: want that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Something we're also sort of recognizing is that the show
Speaker 1: seems to be back out there a bit. Whether that's
Speaker 1: I think it's probably because of streaming and you know,
Speaker 1: younger people are what TikTok and younger people are discovering
Speaker 1: it for the first time. Are you feeling that affect?
Speaker 3: Are people?
Speaker 4: Over time?
Speaker 5: All over the world, people are like, you know, young
Speaker 5: people come up and talk to me and introduce themselves
Speaker 5: or at least like most of the time it's like
Speaker 5: I know you from somewhere or whatever. So yes, that
Speaker 5: that it's it's crazy the young people that are watching.
Speaker 3: It now, do you and so so you don't have
Speaker 3: a favorite scene. It's not the scene where you you
Speaker 3: you close the car door in my towel and you
Speaker 3: drove away. It's not that scene.
Speaker 4: I didn't look, by the way, what a gentleman in
Speaker 4: the rear view. But everything is.
Speaker 3: Reversed, everything was upside down, so it looked better that way,
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 5: Uh no, I just you know, any scene we were
Speaker 5: because we would just goof and that, so like every
Speaker 5: day was my favorite. And uh as much as I
Speaker 5: could piss off Jamie or like just just get under
Speaker 5: people's skin.
Speaker 4: It was really working with Nicola, and it was completely
Speaker 4: different than working.
Speaker 5: With you because she's sort of off the coffin, not
Speaker 5: very prepared, and that has its its beauty and its challenges.
Speaker 3: But you worked with her. Was she the kind of
Speaker 3: second most person you worked with?
Speaker 5: I know, Marsia, Okay, I did the whole that an
Speaker 5: arc of one year or two or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know you and then and then Nicolette we
Speaker 4: worked on one season.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it is funny how I've sort of forgotten
Speaker 3: about that. And I'm a little bit possessive about you.
Speaker 3: So like when I started to realize that, oh wait,
Speaker 3: there was a whole season where he was with three Like,
Speaker 3: what the hell? Well, I a really think of Karl.
Speaker 1: In the context of.
Speaker 6: Wait, tell us what was I mean?
Speaker 5: Well, look, look my plumber Pinnata is finally run out
Speaker 5: of a candy beating it all these years.
Speaker 7: So at you, I would love I mean, if you can,
Speaker 7: I know we don't have a ton of time, but
Speaker 7: I'd love to hear a little bit about what you
Speaker 7: remember from working with Marsha or working with Nicolette, because
Speaker 7: we've said a lot. Obviously my mom and Andrew can
Speaker 7: only offer, like their perspectives of the scenes that they
Speaker 7: were in.
Speaker 6: Do you have any memories from that time that.
Speaker 3: You want to share?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you.
Speaker 5: Don't have you know, Yeah, I love Nichola's tremendous. She's
Speaker 5: She's a sweet lady. And I just like your mom,
Speaker 5: I come from a world where you get prepared and
Speaker 5: then you get ready to play and get ready to
Speaker 5: improvise or change things, and and Nicolette.
Speaker 4: Doesn't come from so I don't think.
Speaker 5: Marcia was always pretty well prepared, and we had a
Speaker 5: lot of fun and she was a lot of she
Speaker 5: was a lot of fun to play with. But yeah,
Speaker 5: you know I your mom broke the mold for me
Speaker 5: on that show.
Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
Speaker 7: Well, I have one last question, let's hear it, please
Speaker 7: tell it, because I love not having a TV in
Speaker 7: the home. What motivated that? Just to bring it all
Speaker 7: the way back to the beginning, Why no TV? And
Speaker 7: how is it major life better?
Speaker 5: So I grew up like I grew up in a house.
Speaker 5: We had a black and white TV. Then we had
Speaker 5: a color TV. It was my parents' bedroom.
Speaker 4: And when I in Jersey, I wouldn't I listened to
Speaker 4: music at night.
Speaker 5: And then I moved into the city and I didn't
Speaker 5: have a TV, and I had a girlfriend who had
Speaker 5: a TV. But and I would go to you know,
Speaker 5: I'd go to bars and watch ball games because I
Speaker 5: love sports. And then I moved to LA and never
Speaker 5: had a TV. I just listened to music and read
Speaker 5: and painted and lived by candlelight.
Speaker 4: It was really lovely.
Speaker 5: So I plus, I was going through a lot of
Speaker 5: of changes from this relationship that was really difficult for me,
Speaker 5: and a wonderful change. And then I had a house
Speaker 5: and look at the beach TVs and you know, the
Speaker 5: whole thing. And then I had a condo and looking
Speaker 5: at the guel, I had five TVs, and and I
Speaker 5: just I don't know, I just wanted to desaturate from
Speaker 5: that world.
Speaker 4: And I went through something with this last show.
Speaker 5: I was on twenty twenty one, and I started to
Speaker 5: see the business and what will have my you know,
Speaker 5: cog in the wheel, and just wanted to simplify my
Speaker 5: life and not so.
Speaker 4: Inundated and or stimulated.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people could learn a lot
Speaker 3: from that. I think that that's something everybody needs to take.
Speaker 6: A little I'm gonna smash my TV when I get.
Speaker 3: Home, just throw it right out the wind.
Speaker 6: I'm done with you ging up with the TV.
Speaker 3: You know, we've really found that I feel like, in hindsight,
Speaker 3: the husbands did not get the kudos that they deserved
Speaker 3: because there was, as you said, so much hype around
Speaker 3: the housewives that we really were pushed out in front
Speaker 3: and center. But without all that hype, now watching it
Speaker 3: at a time where it's not the thing everybody's talking about,
Speaker 3: we are just finding that the show would be nowhere
Speaker 3: without all the husbands. And you guys were all so
Speaker 3: individual and so spectacular, but like in each of your
Speaker 3: individual ways. It really supported the show in an almost
Speaker 3: like invisibly effortful way that nobody paid attention to with
Speaker 3: enough gratitude at the time, And so I am doing
Speaker 3: it now. Richard Bergy, I want to thank you for
Speaker 3: helping to make Susan's journey on Desperate Housewives so memorable,
Speaker 3: for help make my journey on despert Housewife so wonderful.
Speaker 3: And it's just so great to see you, and thank
Speaker 3: you for joining us on our little podcast. It's so
Speaker 3: good to see you, and I just wish you continued success.
Speaker 3: Is there anything that you want to promote that you
Speaker 3: are up to next that you want to tell us about.
Speaker 4: No, well, my mother is one hundred and one.
Speaker 5: I can't give through my second divorce, and I was like,
Speaker 5: I just got to really get back to some simple
Speaker 5: things and so being because.
Speaker 4: I would like to be it's n arrogant.
Speaker 5: And but my mom said she'd like to have me
Speaker 5: there with my brother while she when she crosses over.
Speaker 5: I wasn't there when my dad crossed forever. So and
Speaker 5: I'm connecting with some old friends here. I'm just really
Speaker 5: enjoying being a sort of unplugged from the business kind
Speaker 5: of dipping my toe in here and there, but really
Speaker 5: committed to being around for my mom.
Speaker 3: And do you know what, Richard, I relate to that
Speaker 3: more than you might know. I three years ago took
Speaker 3: over really the primary caregiving of both of my parents,
Speaker 3: who are ninety. My dad has to menia. I bought
Speaker 3: them a house up the street from me in where
Speaker 3: I live in Los Angeles, and so I'm very, very
Speaker 3: involved in their daily care and I've got my dad
Speaker 3: taking art classes and I went over there the other
Speaker 3: night and put on the new Superman movie for them,
Speaker 3: and I'm bringing them food. And it really is something
Speaker 3: to kind of be with your parents in the stage
Speaker 3: where you're the parent sort of. And so I'm glad
Speaker 3: that you're able to do that. And I send your
Speaker 3: whole family like lots of love.
Speaker 4: Thanks so much. You guys are terrific. Good luck with this.
Speaker 3: Thanks for being here. We know everyone's going to love
Speaker 3: here and from you, thank you. Bye bye bye