1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,600 Speaker 1: Hi, Welcome to Desperately Devoted. 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: The Ultimate Desperate Housewives rewatch, hosted by me, Terry Hatcher, 3 00:00:08,560 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: my on screen daughter Andrea Bowen, and my real life 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:17,600 Speaker 2: daughter Emerson Tenney. Today we are talking to the amazing 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: Richard Burbie. The heart wants what the heart wants, and 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: we know your heart wants to hear about Karl Meyer, 7 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: as you, of course remember him. We have the honor 8 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 2: of catching up with what he's into these days and 9 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 2: learning which character he almost played on the show and 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: where his favorite place on Wisteria Lane was to hang out. 11 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 3: His answer makes me blush just a little. Let's jump in. 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: Welcome to Desperately Devoted, our little rewatch podcast that we've 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 3: got going. We're so glad to have you here. We 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: really have been having such a great time actually revisiting 15 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 3: the show ourselves and revisiting it with cast members. Have 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: have you just you haven't seen it recently? Right? Or 17 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 3: have you? 18 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 4: I don't have a TV and I am rarely am 19 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 4: on my computer. 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 3: Oh right, that's amazing. Now, Okay, I'm going to jump 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 3: to a question that I was going to ask you later, 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: because sometimes we do ask people, are you desperately devoted 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: to anything. But I seem to recall you being desperately 24 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 3: devoted to surfing. Is that what you're still doing, and 25 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: why you don't have a TV and why you don't 26 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:24,840 Speaker 3: have a computer. 27 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I was just up in Nova Scotia. 28 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 5: My son lives up there, my firstborn. He's twenty nine. 29 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 5: We went surfing the other day in Nova Scotia and 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 5: I hadn't served since I was dating this gall in Florida, 31 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 5: so it was about a year ago. 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 4: So but I'm back in Jersey. 33 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 5: So I'm devoted to, you know, my trees and mother 34 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 5: nature and trails and streams. And I got my girlfriend 35 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 5: in the back, this beautiful stream. Well I fall asleep 36 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 5: with every night and have my coffee with in the morning. 37 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 5: And she's lovely and she's connect to a beautiful ecosystem. 38 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 4: There's like in a little place. 39 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 5: I took my nephew's fishing there the other day, and 40 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 5: I you know, I jump in and slowly, slowly, so 41 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 5: I'm a fresh one most of the time. But I'll 42 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 5: have to do the hours slept down in the Jersey 43 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 5: shore and it's not like California surfing. 44 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 6: So oh yeah, the Atlantic's different. 45 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: Being devoted to nature is something I can totally relate to. 46 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: You know, that's there's just nothing better. But I actually 47 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 3: remember being on the set of Desperate House with you, 48 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: and I don't know why, but you were telling I. 49 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 3: Maybe it was when I was training for the triathlons 50 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: that I used to do out in Malibu, and I 51 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: was probably telling you about how I was afraid of 52 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: great white sharks. And I remember you telling me about 53 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 3: all the times that you would be sitting on your 54 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 3: surfboard out in the ocean and that you saw them 55 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 3: swimming around and that I shouldn't be afraid. Is that 56 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 3: still true? I remember that correctly. Did we have? 57 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? 58 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 5: I wanted to take you out. We never was able 59 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 5: to do that for some reason. Right, you just kept 60 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 5: dodging me. You had bigger You've had bigger fish on 61 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 5: the line. 62 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 6: It's never too late. I think you got to get 63 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 6: her out there. 64 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: But you have to come back to the Pacific Ocean. 65 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 5: Do you know? 66 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 3: It's funny. A place that I love in the world, 67 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 3: which is just across the pond from Nova Scotia, is Cornwall, England. 68 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: And have you ever been there? 69 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 5: I've seen pictures, but I've been to England. I'm going 70 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 5: to Ireland for Thanksgiving. 71 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: Okay, Well, Cornwall, England is probably one of my favorite 72 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 3: places in the world, if not the favorite place. But 73 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: I have taken surfing lessons there and they, yeah, I 74 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: have a picture of me actually up on a surfboards. 75 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: The water's quite cold, as I would imagine it is 76 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: in Nova Scotia. But who cares you wear wetsuits? 77 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 4: Not like Cornwall. 78 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 5: But oh okay, no, because it's like, you know, it's 79 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 5: still kind of end of summer up there. We were overdressed. 80 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 5: My son gave me a full HOODI and was way 81 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 5: over dressed. 82 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 3: Okay, but surfing is a great is Did you have 83 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 3: a full hoodie? No, I didn't. I don't you know, 84 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think I just had like 85 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: a pretty like a what's a thick one five millimeter? 86 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 4: Yeah? Five six six? 87 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think I had a pretty thick. 88 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: They don't even know what we're talking about. I think 89 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: this is where you go, get a room. Get a room, 90 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: Richard and Terry, just get a room. 91 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: A hoodie wet suit would scare me if I were 92 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: someone really afraid of the sharks. I feel like I 93 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: would look even more like a seal. 94 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: Yes, well that has crossed my mind. 95 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 5: But a surf maker had actually thought about putting like 96 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 5: some kevlar and embedded, so it would make if you 97 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 5: did get chopped, it would make it harder for the 98 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 5: sharks to eat. 99 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 6: Well, that's good. 100 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 1: I think that's a good advancement. 101 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 7: I think it sounds like the two of you are 102 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 7: prepared to go on your next surfing trip together, and 103 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:42,919 Speaker 7: please send me pictures. 104 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: Okay, I will wave. 105 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 4: Wait do you still have your Bookswagon Bus? 106 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 3: I absolutely do. I still do. In fact, oh see, 107 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 3: you would love this because you appreciate stuff like this. 108 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 3: I put solar panels in the top of it so 109 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: that when I the solar panels don't run the engine. 110 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: But when I get somewhere I can be completely like 111 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: off the grid with my solar panels running, like you know, 112 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: my refrigerator and whatever electricity I would need. So it's 113 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: it is still as I said to my daughter on 114 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: our first camping trip in it when she was six 115 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: years old. We went up to like big sur and 116 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 3: I remember just feeling like this is this is all 117 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 3: we need? Like I said that, Yeah you did, No, 118 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 3: you did say that to me. But I mean you 119 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 3: have always told. 120 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 7: Me the story that Mom, this is all I need. 121 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 3: No, the bathroom is like a kitty litter box. Basically, 122 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: it's like a stool that you open up with like 123 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 3: litter in it. I mean, wow, you said that's all 124 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 3: you need. Wow. Wow. 125 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 6: Okay, you know what, we have different needs. It might 126 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 6: be mildly less true today, but not far off. 127 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 3: I think being a minial minimalist is very advantageous. So 128 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 3: I like that about myself. So okay, back to Desperate Housewives. 129 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,599 Speaker 3: So you haven't seen it, then it's what discovering. Nor 130 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 3: had we and I'm really I think one of the 131 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 3: things that has popped us off to us in these 132 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 3: first ten twelve episodes is first of all, just what 133 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 3: a magical place with steria Lane was in itself, but secondly, 134 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 3: like just how great everyone was and is, and specifically you, Richard. 135 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: I mean, I think we have to start thank you, yes, yes, yes, 136 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: wild applause from the audience from all the fans. I 137 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 3: think we have to start with the heart wants. What 138 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 3: the heart wants? You must recall that. 139 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 5: Oh so well, yeah, you know I had this whole 140 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 5: interesting thing going in because you know, I originally tested 141 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 5: from not tested, but I met Mark and the other 142 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 5: fella who the director to Charles Plumber. Yeah, and Jamie 143 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 5: had a contract with ABC and he's much more handsman talented, 144 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 5: so he got the Plumber. So I had to do 145 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 5: another show and then I came back and I had 146 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 5: this whole different thing going, and so I just had 147 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 5: you know, I don't know, it was just in this 148 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 5: open space and so, yeah, that was such a fun 149 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 5: line to chew you interesting. 150 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 1: So because we were going to ask about your casting story, 151 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: because we're finding it really fun to hear about how 152 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: everyone ended up on the show. And one of my 153 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: questions for you was, had you auditioned for any of 154 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: the other male roles on the show? 155 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 4: And you I originally I auditioned for the Plumber. 156 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 5: Then I thought it was disaster because Mark and Charles 157 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 5: were fighting, and I found this idea, like the name. 158 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 4: And then my manager at. 159 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 5: The time told me that ABC was was honoring Jamie's 160 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 5: contract and he was the first pick, and he was terrific. 161 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 5: Jamie's a sweetheart and he's good, and so he got 162 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 5: the job. I was offered a showdown in San Diego, 163 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 5: which only lasted. I don't know, like eleven or fifteen 164 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 5: episodes or something, but it was like my favorite show 165 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 5: because I could surf on the way. 166 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 4: Going to San Diego is really groovy. Have you Terry, 167 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 4: have you surf? 168 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 5: Sorryle Many like Santa No Frey, have you been down 169 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 5: I have not. 170 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: I mean I have been down there because. 171 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: I told you I was going to take you down there. 172 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 3: Now I know, I know, We're not too late. 173 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 6: It's not too late. 174 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 3: Well he's in New Jersey now, so it's a little late. 175 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 6: Plain surf ride. 176 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,119 Speaker 4: I have surfing ocean. 177 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: I have never actually surfed the coast of California. So 178 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: the only surfing I've ever done is in Cornwall, which 179 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 3: I enjoyed, I loved. I would like to again, but no, 180 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: I haven't. 181 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 4: I have Like the only time I've served is Wyky Keys. 182 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 6: I have to jump in. 183 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 7: So the Mike and Carl rivalry was real from the 184 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 7: very inception of casting. 185 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 3: I guess so I. 186 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 4: Love he always had a hair about me, but it's 187 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 4: not on you. 188 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 5: So I don't know because I was just in this 189 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 5: place like I let it all go and I don't care. 190 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 7: And well, how did Carl come back? And how did 191 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 7: that role come back into your life because the. 192 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 5: Show ended in San Diego. And then my manager said, hey, 193 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 5: you know, they got this role coming up. They want 194 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 5: to see if you're interested. And I said, yeah, sure. 195 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 5: I went in an audition with a bunch of guys 196 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 5: and I you know, I think I had a puff 197 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 5: and I was just in this really like, oh I 198 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 5: know who this guy is, and so yeah, I was 199 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 5: just really in my body and really doing all these. 200 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: Like wow, yeah, yes, a physical I want to talk 201 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 3: to you about that. But I wanted to where did 202 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 3: that because that physicalization it has stuck with me of 203 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: yours for twenty years, and I remember just being so 204 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 3: enthralled with it while you were doing it. I mean 205 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: it really do you remember why that was a choice 206 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 3: you made for that character. 207 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: So yeah, I. 208 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 5: Felt him to be really self absorbed, and so I 209 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 5: then I put the concept to physicality, like what's in 210 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 5: life and somebody's really self absorbed? And it could you know, uh, 211 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 5: because I'm very tactile as well, like touching things and 212 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 5: you know, and then I just thought, Okay, what would 213 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 5: be like to really be self absorbed with myself? 214 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: It's soome and it's so great that you have such 215 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: a good body to be self absorbed with, because you 216 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: know everyone else was also self absorbed with your body. 217 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 4: From you know, I come from an area. I'm just 218 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 4: a regular schmuck around here. 219 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 5: You know, the people I grew up with, like you 220 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 5: know so and I spent a lot of time in 221 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 5: locker room. 222 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 4: So I'm just a regular Joe. 223 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 3: Well, the whole physicality thing, I mean, it's just it's 224 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 3: it's kind of amazing and that I remember even like 225 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 3: when you weren't there, we would be shooting other episodes 226 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 3: and it would come up with the camera crew, like 227 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: people would say, the heart wants with the heart wants. 228 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: You know, It's like, you know, what do you do? 229 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: You guys want to heal after work while the heart 230 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 3: wants with the heart wants, you know, Like we didn't 231 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: had a part of. 232 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: The lexicon for the remainder of the shot. It really 233 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: did iconic you doing that once? 234 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it really did. Do you have any you know? 235 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: This was another thing that I had forgotten and I think, 236 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 3: I mean, we find as Andrew and I find as 237 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: we watch it, we go like I don't remember shooting 238 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: that at all, Like I barely remember shooting anything, And 239 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: although I am finding very entertaining, I find it crazy 240 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 3: that I remember so little. But what I really didn't 241 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 3: remember was that Carl started sleeping with Brie in later 242 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 3: seasons and became her Andrey right, So Carl was just 243 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 3: a massive horror on Is there anyone he didn't sleep with? 244 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 4: Maybe the heart on? 245 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 5: Uh? Well no, I mean, I'll only get going on 246 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 5: somebody I wasn't a lot crazy about. 247 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 4: However, I'll get to that question. 248 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 5: Do you remember when you said to me one day 249 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 5: we were like, I just started on. The show is 250 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 5: a second season, I think towards the end of the first, 251 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 5: I don't know, and you said to me, you said, 252 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 5: what are we doing? 253 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 4: Are we doing shit? The show hadn't really taken it 254 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 4: off yet, You're like, well, do we. 255 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 3: That's really funny that you that. I don't actually remember that, 256 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 3: but I can imagine, you know, some episodes were better 257 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: than other episodes, some writing was better than other writing. 258 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 3: And I can imagine that I would be the kind 259 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 3: of person who would just be not like even mean, 260 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 3: but just sort of like, do you think this is shit? 261 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 3: Or do you think this is good? 262 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 4: Like? 263 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 3: How are we going to work this out? Richard, like, what, 264 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: how are we going to make this as good as 265 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 3: we can make it? 266 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 7: Wait? 267 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 6: And what did you say back? What did you say 268 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 6: to her? 269 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,120 Speaker 4: I really have no idea. I really think I said I. 270 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 6: Had no idea, right right? 271 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: Maybe? 272 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: Maybe not? 273 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 5: Well, I don't know why, because I never think you know, 274 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 5: what I do is you know, I got it. 275 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 4: I never think that like so, which is a nice thing. 276 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 4: You know, keep humble totally, But that's why we have directors. 277 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: But man, we are so enjoying watching you. We really are. 278 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, You're so great in it. 279 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 7: I'm curious what is your I mean, say, for a 280 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 7: character like Carl who you were talking about, how he 281 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 7: feels so sort of self interested and absorbed and then 282 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 7: he goes on to be the kind of horror of 283 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 7: the neighborhood. What is your process as an actor for 284 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 7: getting into a role like that or a character like that? 285 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 5: You know, sometimes I know people like I just it 286 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 5: pops off the page and I, you know, just like 287 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 5: embody a friend or somebody I've seen, or it's an 288 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 5: amalgam of things, and then the process is sort of 289 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 5: hate to use the word organic, you know, it's it evolves. 290 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 5: I did a play in La and it started one 291 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 5: where and then I like I was that became a 292 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 5: sort of old Jewish guy who took like this, you know, 293 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 5: one character, I played two characters, so it's I don't know, 294 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 5: it's sometimes it gets revealed over time. And then like Carl, 295 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 5: I brought it in and and then I remember Mark, 296 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 5: I forget what season was. I was like, okay, enough 297 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 5: with the you know, like he's is. He didn't create it. 298 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 5: He didn't it wasn't on the page, so he didn't 299 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 5: have the sort. 300 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 3: Of attachment to it. 301 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 4: Like no, I mean I did. I loved, I loved 302 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: all that. 303 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 3: I loved just doing he asked you to pull that back? 304 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? 305 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: Wow, okay, and did you. 306 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 6: Sure we'll watch? 307 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: So yeah. 308 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: I have this idea in my head that I don't 309 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: know if this is accurate, but maybe you can help 310 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: clue me in if I'm right. I I assume that 311 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: maybe when Carl came to be, they didn't know how 312 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: much a part of the show you would be yet, 313 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: and then when you came and were so amazing, and 314 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: you had all these fun ideas and you gave this 315 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: character just so much oomph and magic and identity that 316 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: maybe they decided to expand on Carl's presence. Am I 317 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: right with that assumption? 318 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 4: Do you know anything? 319 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 5: I think he was just there to punch around for 320 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 5: a little while and then ended up, you know, being likable, 321 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 5: and yeah, it happened. 322 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: The last job I had to oh, yeah, well, well 323 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 3: you are. You are fun to be around and very 324 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: charismatic and likable, and so I can imagine, like why that. 325 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 5: Expansion back at you? And I you know, look, we're 326 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 5: like it drives me nuts. Two things drive me nuts. 327 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 5: So we have what Ward shows, we already got the award, 328 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 5: it's like, why we go. We're so blessed to be 329 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 5: able to do this and to have like people like Grossman, 330 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 5: who I was able to do another show with him 331 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 5: or two afterwards, and. 332 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 4: I love that. I just love working in this in 333 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 4: this place where I'm playing all day and I get 334 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 4: to play with amazing people like you guys. It's so yeah, I'm. 335 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 5: I feel very grateful, very very blessed about the whole thing. 336 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 3: I agree, it's quite a gift. 337 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 7: You did you have any like stand out I mean, 338 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 7: I know it was a long time ago, but stand 339 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 7: out scenes or moments or things that really have stayed 340 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 7: with you from the show. 341 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 5: I know this is going to sound strange, and I 342 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 5: really enjoyed being in bed with your mother. 343 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 7: I know what clip we're using on social media for 344 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 7: this interview. 345 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 3: Well I enjoyed that, fan, Yeah, I know. Wow, Oh 346 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 3: my gosh. 347 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 5: Well right, I love working with your mom. I love 348 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 5: working with your mom and people ask me that all 349 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 5: the time. And I had fun with you know, the 350 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 5: other girls down the lane. You're just your mom's pretty 351 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 5: fucking awesome. 352 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: That's you know, that's so sweet. I'm I mean, really, 353 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 3: it's and you know what. 354 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 4: Honestly, because I'm just tell the truth. 355 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 3: Well, I love that, and when when I also love 356 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: that my daughter's here saying listening to it, because sometimes 357 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,200 Speaker 3: there are people in my life that I'll come across 358 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 3: that will say things to me like that, and I'll say, 359 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 3: will you just go to my funeral because my daughter's 360 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 3: an only child and there won't be a lot of 361 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 3: family around here, and be really nice if all these 362 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 3: people said these things so that my daughter would know 363 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: I was a good person. So Richard, we're putting you 364 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 3: on the funeral list, and you can perfect I love it. 365 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,679 Speaker 3: Can I ask you? Is there this is weird, but 366 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 3: I do kind of I'm interested, what because you're such 367 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 3: a process kind of person. Like my recollection of working 368 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: with you is also that, I mean the same the 369 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: way I like to work is like is it funnier 370 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 3: if I say the line and then sit down, or 371 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 3: is it funnier if I stand up and then say 372 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:55,239 Speaker 3: the line? Like like like really trying to you know, 373 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: finesse the puzzle of the whole thing from a lot 374 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 3: of different angles of thought. Is there something that you 375 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 3: remember about working with me that was specific. 376 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 8: Just how assiduous you were to the application of the craft, 377 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 8: of figuring it out of playing, of trying this, trying that, 378 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 8: being open to like, oh no, let's try it this way, okay, let. 379 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 4: Me do like just being flexible and curious. 380 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 3: Oh I can't think of anything nice to prepare and prepared. 381 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 3: Well that's it. 382 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 7: Well you're getting a big love festivals. 383 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: Prepared to say the same things. I feel the same 384 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: way about how fortunate I was to work with Terry 385 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: for all of those years. 386 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 4: Yeah you too. 387 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: I mean I was really. 388 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 5: Ready to tour and role model and a consummate pro 389 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 5: and somebody's just fun and like, you know, bringing food 390 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 5: to the set. 391 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 4: It's such a sweet gesture. 392 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 5: I don't know if anyone else did that, but that 393 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 5: that it just spoke volumes of your character. 394 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 6: What food did she bring to this out? 395 00:18:58,119 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 4: I don't know the story, A cook's and whatever. 396 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 5: I mean, it was terrible for the teeth and overall health, 397 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 5: but it was a sweet I did bring. 398 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 3: I did were you? Did you have a partake in 399 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: the big tequila bar? Things I would do every Friday 400 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: night on the camera truck. 401 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,640 Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time in the camera truck. 402 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 4: And that's all I'll say. 403 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: Well, that was a lot of that alcohol was supplied 404 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 3: by me, and we had a lot of Friday nights 405 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 3: into Saturday mornings where we would we would finish up 406 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 3: our week. 407 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 5: I've always managed to find that, you know, the screw 408 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 5: ups that I could go like, hey, I got a 409 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 5: six pack. 410 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 4: You know, hey, you any guys kind of. 411 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 5: Do you find that there were nights we were gonna 412 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 5: have like a glass of red white wine? 413 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 4: Uh uh eva. And you know, we just work and 414 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 4: do our stuff. And I've been on a bunch of 415 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 4: shows like that. But you don't abuse it. You're just 416 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 4: you're creating and having fun, right. 417 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: Speaking of shows. We actually we were just saying that 418 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: we saw you pop up on this season of The 419 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 1: Morning Show. 420 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 3: Which I loved, and it was great, how exacting to 421 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 3: see you on there? 422 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 4: It was it was really fun. 423 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 5: I my son went to UCLA, so we shot it 424 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 5: at Luskin Center in U c. L A. 425 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 4: And I've stayed there and had a lot of fun there. 426 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 4: Uh and uh. 427 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 5: I was able to spy on the UCLA football team 428 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 5: practicing right outside my hotel window. And it was just lovely. 429 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 5: She was lovely, the cast lovely, John's lovely. Those really 430 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 5: the only two actors I worked. 431 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 4: With on that. 432 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,640 Speaker 3: Did you know John before. 433 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 4: Or I did not know? We never crossed paths. 434 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 5: Yeah, well I'm but he's a sweet hat, a sweet 435 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 5: cat who again really likes the craft and it is 436 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 5: not what he appears to be because he's gotten such 437 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 5: a rarefied air like a lot of you know, people 438 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 5: like yourself and that get you know, recognized, and like 439 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 5: Jennifer is. 440 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 4: It's it's pretty creepy watching people you know, hover there. 441 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 5: It's almost like parasitic or the like she's some some 442 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 5: prey animal and you know all these hyaenas are It's 443 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 5: it's pretty weird, but it was fun to watch and 444 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 5: the director was super fun and I wish it was 445 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 5: more like Grossman, you know that everybody was like Grossman. 446 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 5: A couple of folks we had on Housewives where they 447 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 5: want to come out and jam and you you bring 448 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 5: your riff and then they're going to like, well how 449 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 5: about this. 450 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 3: And so, But it was sometimes there isn't space to 451 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 3: do that. Were there other directors that ran through the 452 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 3: seasons that you were on that you liked, particularly on 453 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: Desperate Housewives? 454 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 5: For some reason, I just remember him, but yeah, I 455 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,359 Speaker 5: love them all. And if you named him Mary, like yeah, yeah, yeah. 456 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, Larry Shaw? 457 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 4: Do you remember Larry Shaw? 458 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 5: My god? 459 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: And Larry was great too. 460 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 5: Larry was a lot of people didn't think he was 461 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 5: as creative as he was because he came up through 462 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 5: the ranks in a different way or I forget Larry's 463 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 5: arc leaders look like a producer like in the Trenches guy, 464 00:21:58,400 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 5: and a lot of people didn't thought he was had. 465 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 5: He was kind of dry and you know, nuts and bolts, 466 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 5: but he was super funny at times. 467 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 468 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 6: I liked him. 469 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 3: I liked him a lot. We like the thing that 470 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: I remember the most, we had a conversation once Larry 471 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: and I like on the side, you know, of the 472 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 3: set when they're changing the lighting and you're just kind 473 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 3: of hanging out and waiting, And for some reason we 474 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 3: came up with the conversation of how our favorite thing 475 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 3: was both of us, was when your foot finds the 476 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 3: cool spot in the sheets at night, like you know, 477 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: when you go so and so. For years we would 478 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 3: be like, did you find the cool sheets? 479 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: Right? 480 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 3: Foot found the cool sheet. It's just so funny how 481 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 3: you have these little tiny things that you hook into 482 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: your memory about with what one person's relationship with you was. 483 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: Right, right, right right? Yeah, No, he was a sweetheart. 484 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 5: You know again, I've had I had three concussions before 485 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 5: I was fifteen, and other things have played their role 486 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 5: in making me forget a lot of things. And plus 487 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 5: I'm so accustomed to like absorbing a lot of stuff 488 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 5: and then jet seeing it. So he went out with 489 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 5: the jenison. 490 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 3: I have that same thing too. I think it's like 491 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: as an actor, I think you develop an acute skill 492 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 3: at short term memory because you have to learn so 493 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 3: much so quickly, and then the downside of that is 494 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 3: that it just all goes completely away and you don't 495 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: even know what you did yesterday. That's so interesting. I 496 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 3: think you're right, right, Yeah, do you have that? 497 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: I totally have that, but I never knew why or 498 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: I never identified. 499 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 6: It that way, But that's totally true. I'm curious. 500 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 7: I want to jump back to something that you said 501 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 7: talking about the Morning Show and the kind of like 502 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 7: a parasitic dynamic maybe around how people viewed Jenner Anniston. 503 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 7: Did you feel like any of that kind of same 504 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 7: celebrity culture rubbed off on you at all at the 505 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 7: time during Desperate Housewives, because that was We've had some 506 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 7: conversations about, you know, how paparazzi were camped outside of 507 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 7: my mom's house all the time while I was growing up, and. 508 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 6: It was just such a phenomenon. Did that affect you 509 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 6: at all? 510 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 5: Oh god, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean the lightning in 511 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 5: a bottle of that show was it's pretty rare. And 512 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 5: not only did I have friends that came out of 513 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 5: the woodwork, but people just treat you different. It's very strange, 514 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 5: and that kind of repels me. But yeah, I remember, 515 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 5: you know, walking down the street and Beverly Hills with 516 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,679 Speaker 5: an old buddy of mine. He was staying up in 517 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 5: l A and chased down the street by t m 518 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 5: Z and it was it was such a cliche Hollywood 519 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 5: moment and I you know anyway, Yeah, so yes, that's that, 520 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 5: but not to that extent. 521 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 4: Where you know, your mom, like the girls were the 522 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 4: we were just sort of the. 523 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 5: Fluff and the film and your mom and the girls 524 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 5: were you know, front and center and that, and like 525 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 5: Jen's she and Reesa the star of the show, but 526 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 5: she's got another another level of insanity to deal with. 527 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 5: There's various levels and and I would I would not 528 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 5: want that. 529 00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 6: Yeah. 530 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: Something we're also sort of recognizing is that the show 531 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: seems to be back out there a bit. Whether that's 532 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: I think it's probably because of streaming and you know, 533 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,040 Speaker 1: younger people are what TikTok and younger people are discovering 534 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: it for the first time. Are you feeling that affect? 535 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 3: Are people? 536 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 4: Over time? 537 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 5: All over the world, people are like, you know, young 538 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 5: people come up and talk to me and introduce themselves 539 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 5: or at least like most of the time it's like 540 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 5: I know you from somewhere or whatever. So yes, that 541 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 5: that it's it's crazy the young people that are watching. 542 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 3: It now, do you and so so you don't have 543 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 3: a favorite scene. It's not the scene where you you 544 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: you close the car door in my towel and you 545 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 3: drove away. It's not that scene. 546 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 4: I didn't look, by the way, what a gentleman in 547 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 4: the rear view. But everything is. 548 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: Reversed, everything was upside down, so it looked better that way, 549 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 3: I'm sure. 550 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 5: Uh no, I just you know, any scene we were 551 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 5: because we would just goof and that, so like every 552 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 5: day was my favorite. And uh as much as I 553 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 5: could piss off Jamie or like just just get under 554 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 5: people's skin. 555 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 4: It was really working with Nicola, and it was completely 556 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 4: different than working. 557 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,399 Speaker 5: With you because she's sort of off the coffin, not 558 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 5: very prepared, and that has its its beauty and its challenges. 559 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 3: But you worked with her. Was she the kind of 560 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 3: second most person you worked with? 561 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 5: I know, Marsia, Okay, I did the whole that an 562 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 5: arc of one year or two or something. 563 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 4: I don't know you and then and then Nicolette we 564 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 4: worked on one season. 565 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:47,719 Speaker 5: I don't know. 566 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it is funny how I've sort of forgotten 567 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: about that. And I'm a little bit possessive about you. 568 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 3: So like when I started to realize that, oh wait, 569 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 3: there was a whole season where he was with three Like, 570 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 3: what the hell? Well, I a really think of Karl. 571 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: In the context of. 572 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 6: Wait, tell us what was I mean? 573 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 5: Well, look, look my plumber Pinnata is finally run out 574 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 5: of a candy beating it all these years. 575 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 7: So at you, I would love I mean, if you can, 576 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 7: I know we don't have a ton of time, but 577 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 7: I'd love to hear a little bit about what you 578 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 7: remember from working with Marsha or working with Nicolette, because 579 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 7: we've said a lot. Obviously my mom and Andrew can 580 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 7: only offer, like their perspectives of the scenes that they 581 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 7: were in. 582 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 6: Do you have any memories from that time that. 583 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 3: You want to share? 584 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you. 585 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 5: Don't have you know, Yeah, I love Nichola's tremendous. She's 586 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 5: She's a sweet lady. And I just like your mom, 587 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 5: I come from a world where you get prepared and 588 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 5: then you get ready to play and get ready to 589 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,120 Speaker 5: improvise or change things, and and Nicolette. 590 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 4: Doesn't come from so I don't think. 591 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 5: Marcia was always pretty well prepared, and we had a 592 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 5: lot of fun and she was a lot of she 593 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 5: was a lot of fun to play with. But yeah, 594 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 5: you know I your mom broke the mold for me 595 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 5: on that show. 596 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 3: Oh thank you. 597 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 7: Well, I have one last question, let's hear it, please 598 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 7: tell it, because I love not having a TV in 599 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 7: the home. What motivated that? Just to bring it all 600 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 7: the way back to the beginning, Why no TV? And 601 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 7: how is it major life better? 602 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 5: So I grew up like I grew up in a house. 603 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 5: We had a black and white TV. Then we had 604 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 5: a color TV. It was my parents' bedroom. 605 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 4: And when I in Jersey, I wouldn't I listened to 606 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 4: music at night. 607 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 5: And then I moved into the city and I didn't 608 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 5: have a TV, and I had a girlfriend who had 609 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 5: a TV. But and I would go to you know, 610 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 5: I'd go to bars and watch ball games because I 611 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 5: love sports. And then I moved to LA and never 612 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 5: had a TV. I just listened to music and read 613 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 5: and painted and lived by candlelight. 614 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 4: It was really lovely. 615 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 5: So I plus, I was going through a lot of 616 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 5: of changes from this relationship that was really difficult for me, 617 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 5: and a wonderful change. And then I had a house 618 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 5: and look at the beach TVs and you know, the 619 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 5: whole thing. And then I had a condo and looking 620 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 5: at the guel, I had five TVs, and and I 621 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 5: just I don't know, I just wanted to desaturate from 622 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 5: that world. 623 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,240 Speaker 4: And I went through something with this last show. 624 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 5: I was on twenty twenty one, and I started to 625 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 5: see the business and what will have my you know, 626 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 5: cog in the wheel, and just wanted to simplify my 627 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 5: life and not so. 628 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 4: Inundated and or stimulated. 629 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people could learn a lot 630 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: from that. I think that that's something everybody needs to take. 631 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 6: A little I'm gonna smash my TV when I get. 632 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 3: Home, just throw it right out the wind. 633 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 6: I'm done with you ging up with the TV. 634 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: You know, we've really found that I feel like, in hindsight, 635 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 3: the husbands did not get the kudos that they deserved 636 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 3: because there was, as you said, so much hype around 637 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 3: the housewives that we really were pushed out in front 638 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: and center. But without all that hype, now watching it 639 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 3: at a time where it's not the thing everybody's talking about, 640 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 3: we are just finding that the show would be nowhere 641 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 3: without all the husbands. And you guys were all so 642 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 3: individual and so spectacular, but like in each of your 643 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 3: individual ways. It really supported the show in an almost 644 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 3: like invisibly effortful way that nobody paid attention to with 645 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 3: enough gratitude at the time, And so I am doing 646 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 3: it now. Richard Bergy, I want to thank you for 647 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 3: helping to make Susan's journey on Desperate Housewives so memorable, 648 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 3: for help make my journey on despert Housewife so wonderful. 649 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: And it's just so great to see you, and thank 650 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 3: you for joining us on our little podcast. It's so 651 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 3: good to see you, and I just wish you continued success. 652 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 3: Is there anything that you want to promote that you 653 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 3: are up to next that you want to tell us about. 654 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 4: No, well, my mother is one hundred and one. 655 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 5: I can't give through my second divorce, and I was like, 656 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 5: I just got to really get back to some simple 657 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 5: things and so being because. 658 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 4: I would like to be it's n arrogant. 659 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 5: And but my mom said she'd like to have me 660 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 5: there with my brother while she when she crosses over. 661 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 5: I wasn't there when my dad crossed forever. So and 662 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 5: I'm connecting with some old friends here. I'm just really 663 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 5: enjoying being a sort of unplugged from the business kind 664 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 5: of dipping my toe in here and there, but really 665 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 5: committed to being around for my mom. 666 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 3: And do you know what, Richard, I relate to that 667 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 3: more than you might know. I three years ago took 668 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 3: over really the primary caregiving of both of my parents, 669 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 3: who are ninety. My dad has to menia. I bought 670 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 3: them a house up the street from me in where 671 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 3: I live in Los Angeles, and so I'm very, very 672 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 3: involved in their daily care and I've got my dad 673 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 3: taking art classes and I went over there the other 674 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 3: night and put on the new Superman movie for them, 675 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 3: and I'm bringing them food. And it really is something 676 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 3: to kind of be with your parents in the stage 677 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 3: where you're the parent sort of. And so I'm glad 678 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 3: that you're able to do that. And I send your 679 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 3: whole family like lots of love. 680 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 4: Thanks so much. You guys are terrific. Good luck with this. 681 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 3: Thanks for being here. We know everyone's going to love 682 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 3: here and from you, thank you. Bye bye bye