WEBVTT - Nosferatu & The very best of Drac 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:00.560 Worrying. 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:06.160 Today's episode contains spoilers for twenty twenty four's Nus far 0:00:06.280 --> 0:00:07.960 to a film. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.120 Bye the fuck is his name, Robert? 0:00:11.160 --> 0:00:14.920 I guess a film, but I always want to call 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:17.239 him David. I would always want to call him David Edgar, 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:24.239 David Energy. So if you have not seen nus Feritu, 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.360 you are completely unaware of the over century year old 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:35.200 story of Dracula by Bram Stoker, then please go watch 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.479 any one of those films and including this one, and 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:59.000 then come back, because you're gonna be one. 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:01.080 Hello. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:03.440 My name's Jascons Epsion and. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:08.119 I'm droasday Night, and. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:09.240 Welcome back to the extra remage of. 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:12.280 The podcast where we've dove deep into your rear and 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.160 shows those comics of pop culture. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.280 We're coming to you from my Art podcast. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:22.960 Where we're bringing you one two three episodes a week. 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:27.520 Every Tuesday and Thursday, and an extra episode every Wednesday. 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:34.640 In today's episode, we are concluding our Eggs retrospective by 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.160 talking about his latest. 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.160 Film, her Nospheratu. 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.280 A remake of the nineteen twenty to f Man Now 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:46.200 movie kind of and a remake of every other Dracula 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:50.880 movie definitely, And so we're gonna be breaking down the 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:54.400 creature design. Is it scary? Is the cost good? Is 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:55.040 it sexist? 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:55.320 Yes? 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:59.520 And a lack of atmosphere that kind of plagues Egger's 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.840 latest work. And then in the Omnibus, we're going to 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:05.320 be taking a little journey through our favorite versions of 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:10.160 Dracula and the more classic Dracula origin stories over the years. 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:11.720 But first. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.079 The Children of the Night, The Child of the Night, 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:22.920 The Children of the Night. 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.400 All right, twenty twenty fours Christmas film for the ages, 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:29.720 Bring the whole family. 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:31.600 What a year it's going to be at the Where's 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:32.200 your Cinema? 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:32.560 With this? 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:35.919 And Baby Girl, Baby Who I told you? What was happening? 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:38.480 The musical sing along on top of it. 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.120 I will be there on the first day. I will 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:43.560 be there on Christmas singing along to the Wizard and 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.040 I don't come to my screening. 0:02:45.080 --> 0:02:45.679 I can't sing. 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:51.359 We are here, of course, to discuss Robert Erger's newest film, 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:56.400 his latest film that's fair to a universal production, universal 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:57.839 of the Monster Verse? 0:02:57.880 --> 0:03:00.079 Where is it? Is it? 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:02.120 Is it coming back like any time? 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:05.880 Is this the soft launch to the Monster Verse? Is 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:06.320 this the way? 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.919 Stay tuned, Stay tuned. Okay, we have seen the film, Rosie, 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:12.720 you have recently seen the film. I did see a 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:15.760 film in foggy London town. I did see it there 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:21.280 where this story is sometimes told, Yes, what do we 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:22.160 think of this movie? 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:25.480 Let's talk about it? Should we recap it? Bit? It 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.600 feels like if okay. 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.960 Let's do like, let's do a speed one where we 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.639 can just both interject, because really, if you've seen any 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:35.240 Dracula movie, you have seen this story. Actually, you know 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:39.760 what we should start with, no Sperratu. The nineteen twenty 0:03:39.800 --> 0:03:43.880 two original version of Nosperati now s Manow's version, was 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:47.680 a bootleg version of Bramstokers Dracula because they could not 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.400 get the rights to make the movie, so they made 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.720 a silent film where they changed all the names, filed 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.560 the serial numbers off, but it is Dracula. They redesigned 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:58.480 the character. His name was Count Dracula, change to count 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:03.320 or Locke, and they made the movie and then they got, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:04.080 you know whatever. 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:05.960 The nineteen twenties version of Seas. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.280 And Desisted was, and all of the versions of the 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:13.600 movie were bun and one miraculously survived, and the silent 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:16.640 film became the kind of scene as the masterpiece. It 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.200 is today through that one reel that survived. So that 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.560 is the origin of Nosferatu, which you may be confused 0:04:22.560 --> 0:04:24.440 about if you didn't know that when you go and 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:27.480 see this movie and realize it is just Dracula but 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:28.600 by any other name. 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:32.719 So the years eighteen thirty eight were in Germany. A 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.280 gentleman who named Thomas, who has just got a job 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:42.040 at a real estate agency and is recently newly married 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:47.240 to his wonderful wife Ellen, has been given the task 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:55.760 of going to Transylvania and meeting with this mysterious Count Orlock, 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:59.920 of an ancient royal lineage excent count. He's an exten 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.080 trick man. He would like to retire. He's he's sick 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:07.440 of the Carpathian Mountains in Transylvania, in this whole area, 0:05:07.440 --> 0:05:12.719 and he wants to spend his sunset years in sunny Vienna. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:13.679 Or somewhere in Germany. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:19.280 Yes, Germany, I have Germany, but they say Germany right. 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:25.760 Unbeknownced to Thomas, his wife but not his boss at 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:31.600 the real estate industy, Count Orlock is a demonic vampire. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:32.599 Who has been. 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.839 Seducing women at long range for a long time using 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.799 some sort of magical mystical ability to sense these people 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.680 who are sensitive themselves to the occult. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:50.560 Yeah, he's like Charles Xavier of seduction correct sensing a sexy. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:51.440 Woman who has second science. 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:52.080 And that's right. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.440 He uses his like vampire cereubros to reach out to 0:05:56.480 --> 0:06:02.000 these women and seduce them. And he's found Thomas's wife Ellen, 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:04.919 played by Lilly Rose Depp. And so that's why he 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.920 wants to move into their town, into some dilapidated old 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:15.760 mansion whereby he can at close range seduce Ellen, suck 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.640 her blood and the cycle continues. 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.040 Yeah, and kill everyone in the town with the plague. 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.920 He can't wait to do that. Thomas goes out there. 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.400 He eventually gets to the castle, where he has a 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:35.960 series of very very troubling encounters, like terrifying encounters with 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:40.880 count Orlock. Meanwhile, his wife back in Ursberg is having 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:46.920 a series of of terrifying nightmares, waking nightmares, night seizures 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:53.880 for which the medical professionals of the day can find no. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:00.719 Reason. And she's ysthetical class and it fix it. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:05.160 Yeah, too much blot, here's a leech, too much blood 0:07:05.320 --> 0:07:06.280 in her system. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:07.960 Mind, heir, we must bleed her. 0:07:08.360 --> 0:07:12.360 That will you will have that line many times, when 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.560 many times Mistame watched this movie. 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:20.040 So count Orlock seals the deal with Thomas, signs the deed. Thomas, 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:24.560 in a fit of the waking fright, realizing that he 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:27.960 is face to face with something he doesn't understand, flees 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:33.360 the castle and washes up somewhere in Transylvania, Romania wherever. Meanwhile, 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:38.000 Orlock boards the ship a Russian ship sails for Germany. 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:44.000 In his pride that because that's how true, because at 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.320 some point he escapes the casket of dirt when he 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:50.760 sends his danger around him. The ship washes up in Germany. 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:55.040 Plague spreads through the town. People start dying, and this 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:59.600 sets up the final confrontation between the ancient doctor van Helsing, 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:01.320 who is to consult. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:04.160 Who in this is called doctor van Franz. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:05.880 Excuse me, doctor. 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.160 Van Franz played by William Dafoe. He comes to consult 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:14.000 with Thomas and his family through his former student, doctor 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.640 Wilhelm Savor, who runs the local asylum, and they have 0:08:17.760 --> 0:08:25.760 this confrontation and Ellen lures count Orlock in. They Meanwhile, 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:31.240 her husband and doctor von Frantz are destroying his coffin 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:35.160 so he cannot return magically to the dirt of his homeland. 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:41.400 The sun rises, and count Orlock just turns into desiccated, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:49.840 disgusting bones while getting busy atop young Ellen, who then perishes. 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.559 Because of because she has that. 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:55.960 She sacrificed herself in order to save Germany in the 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:58.440 world from the ravagers of count Orlock. 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:00.960 And there it is your movie, do we feel you know? 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:04.240 I just want to start by saying right yes, that 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:08.520 I hate that ending so deeply because it is the 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:13.199 biggest diversion from basically every Dracula law where Mina always 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.520 survives and Jonathan Harker always dies aka Ellen or Thomas. 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:22.240 I don't have some aversion to women always dying, but 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:27.880 Mina is one of the most fantastic, storied, brilliant final 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:31.559 girls essentially. And I did realize while watching this version 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:36.440 of the movie, how many early tropes for horror this 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.080 story does set up, like that feeling of wanting to 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.160 yell at Thomas and say, hey, don't go in there. 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.760 Yeah, like this is I was sitting in. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.240 This cinema is like a three hundred people's cinema in 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.760 Piccadilly Circus in England, where definitely everyone was taking the 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.720 movie really seriously, and I was just dying to be 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.040 at like Burbank AMC, where I feel like there would 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:58.679 have just been a lot more people who were willing 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.480 to be like, bro, what the fuck are you doing 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:02.960 or at least like do like a some kind of 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.800 voice reaction. Like I was sitting there the whole time, 0:10:07.000 --> 0:10:10.000 just like, oh my god, Thomas, please and yeah. I 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.520 just the ending of this movie is really at the 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:16.880 crux of what I think it doesn't understand about Dracula 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:22.120 and Nosferatu and also like the nature of vampirism and 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:25.880 women and sexuality, which is something that even like Bella 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.680 Lagosi understood in the thirties when he's talking about you 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.200 know his really famous quote where he's like, horror is 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:34.920 for women, like they are the ones who like live 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:39.000 with blood and violence. And I'm paraphrasing, but like that 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:43.199 is so missing from this story. And it's just like 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:45.960 that ending that was when I knew. I was just like, 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.800 this isn't for me, even though generally beautiful gowns, beautiful 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:53.760 production design, like it look, it does look nice. Like 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.440 I thought that Nicholas Holt was really really fantastic. I 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.679 loved Willem Dafoe. He knew he was essentially an howm 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.400 a horror movie and did what you should. 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:04.079 Do in a movie like this. 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.160 I always love Aaron Taylor Johnson. He always shows up 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:10.439 in a weird role, and in this role he literally 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.440 is a necrophiliac, So like, good for him, Like you 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.400 got your weird role. But just yeah, that ending, I 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:22.040 feel like, no, it's that that's wrong. I just I don't. 0:11:22.120 --> 0:11:22.480 I don't. 0:11:22.559 --> 0:11:24.319 I don't vibe on that ending. And what did you 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:24.880 guys think? 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:31.080 Oh man, I'm really with you. I think okay to 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.120 expand on what you were so beautifully laying out about 0:11:34.280 --> 0:11:36.760 the ending and a lack of understanding of what makes 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.080 the story special, Like if you think about his only 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.839 change being like the woman sacrifices herself to save everybody, 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:46.319 it's really a daunting experience. And then have to turn 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:50.720 around to be like, how do I break down and 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:53.840 talk about this movie in a way that sort of 0:11:55.600 --> 0:12:00.760 honors the intent? Like I can't understand why this story 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:02.040 is being told this way? 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:02.600 Right? 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:03.120 Yeah? 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.520 Now, I will just say like in twenty twenty two, 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.440 in nineteen twenty two, when they made the original version 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.960 of Nos Fratu, it does have an ending where Ellen 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:17.160 essentially like gives her blood to Orlac he dies and 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.800 then she kind of like faints and seemingly dies, but 0:12:21.200 --> 0:12:24.040 she also doesn't have to like have sex with like 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.120 a rotten monster. There's like a lot more dignity in 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.719 that sacrifice and a lot more agency than what I. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.000 Feel like we see thing. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.520 But in this version. 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:37.040 That thought, like the idea of like what is a 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:41.600 sacrifice and why even is Again, if you're sacrificing, then 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:43.200 there should be like all of this love left behind. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.320 Everybody's pretty much dead at this point, so you're like, 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:46.959 what are we? Who are we doing this? That's a 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:51.720 great points. Like if you think about the original Dracula, 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:55.520 the book comes out like it's talking about a plague 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.440 that has hit England and people are literally wasting away 0:12:58.480 --> 0:13:01.760 and they are so young, and it's very tragic, and 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:04.400 what if in all of this horror there was some 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.079 way to preserve this person and they actually lived on forever. 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:10.680 It would be horrifying, horrible, But you could also understand 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:13.880 the seduction too, Like that back and forth. An element 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.880 of reflection on society is sort of an essential element 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.760 of Jacula, and all of it is gone here, and 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.400 then on top of that, you have a if Mina 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:24.679 is your main character, and the opening scene certainly seems 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.920 to set that up. You completely abandon her for about 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:30.600 a third of the movie and then come back and 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.720 there is no arc for this is a flatline story 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:37.160 for this girl. She starts aw seduced. She ends maybe 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.520 not fully under the spell, maybe sort of recognizing that 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.440 she has a choice. But the choice is awful. It's 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.559 not well thought out, it's not discussed with anybody, so 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.800 you kind of feel like she just took the first 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.280 like this is what yees to do. She's like, oh, yeah, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:50.600 that is what I have to do, and then she 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:52.360 and then she dies and you're like, why am I 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:53.680 watching this movie? 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.119 I would also say as well, like the nineteen twenty. 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.600 Two, Like we said, it was a bootleg, right, so 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:02.560 there's a lot of really funny, like just really brief, 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.080 unthought out stuff that they were doing because A it 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.360 was like an hour long silent movie, and b it 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:12.000 was being done to avoid copyright. So like in that movie, 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.080 the reason that she decides that she's gonna do that 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.880 is because like somebody's like if a pure hearted woman, 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.000 like if he drinks from the neck of a pure 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.640 hearted woman, like he will die and all this that 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.400 stuff is so outdated. I'm like Robert Eggers, like, could 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.720 you not have considered new way? I like, I like 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.560 this notion of Ellen as like somebody with a second sight. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.960 But if you're gonna I think that oftentimes with this movie, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.720 there are moments when it could be subversive, and instead 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:43.640 it just leans on already established tropes like the hysterical woman. Yeah, 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:46.480 or there was no exploration of the notion of a 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:49.760 hysterical woman or mental health in that time or anything. 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:52.560 And really, and I will say this was my letterbox review, 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.480 and I do think this is the big takeaway head 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.600 from this movie. This is just more proof that the 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:00.280 most influential movie of twenty twenty four is Possession, movie 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.320 from like thirty years ago that they once again, you know, 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.960 we saw it with the first omen, we saw it 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:12.160 in multiple like religious horror, the Sidney Sweety movie, Immacula 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:15.840 and now here where it's very clear that they're showing 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.840 these actresses Isabella Johnny's performance, especially when she's you know, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:24.520 going through the funnel and Possession and they're saying to 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:26.760 them like can you recreate this and honestly, I will 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.000 say Lily Rose Depp does insane hysteria, Well, she's me. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.080 I have to say, I was not expecting that. I 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:34.960 I to. 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:37.840 Branch off what y'all have said. 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:42.720 I agree, and I think part of the problem of 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.160 the len character for me is that Joelle put her 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:49.800 finger on it. It's a straight line arc. Not only 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.760 is it a straight line arc at a certain point 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.200 in the story, to me, it feels like a straight 0:15:56.280 --> 0:16:00.240 line from before you even meet her, because as you 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:04.160 eventually find out that this she's got, this sensitivity to 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.560 the occlultiness has been going on a while, maybe since 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:10.200 she's been a kid, and the fact that she has 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.920 I'm fine with her sacrificing herself behind. My issue is 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.440 that throughout the film it felt as if she had 0:16:17.480 --> 0:16:19.200 no agency, did nothing. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:21.520 She always knew she was gonna die. 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.880 Yeah, had had almost no impact on events. Is just 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.080 kind of hearing what her husband and the men are 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:34.680 plotting to do, and hearing what he's planning to do 0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:37.760 and just decides, Okay, here's my part to play, and she. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.920 Just accepts it. And I felt, and that was along 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:42.360 with the. 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.200 Pacing, is she's just really made for a very frustrating 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.720 second half of the movie. I thought, like, listen, Edgar's 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:52.280 visually stunning. I've been calling him desaturated. Terrence Malick, I 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.600 love looking at his pictures. I think the first I 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:01.800 think everything from the beginning to the Castle is amazing. 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.280 I really liked it. I love the journey of it. 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.560 The scope right so well, it's wonderful. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.480 Terrifying to be in the castle before you really get 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.199 to see the monster, and it's that fear of the 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.600 imagined and and that stuff is really good. 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:21.760 And it felt like the color palette really worked in 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:23.640 that section of it. 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:25.600 And then it just. 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:31.680 Becomes a slog ping ponging back between scenes that are 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.600 just way too long. And unfortunately that part of the movie, 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:42.159 as you mentioned, Rosie, the horror tropes begin emerging, and 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.160 when they're happening at that pace good. The thing about 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.840 a good horror trope is that you got to slide 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:49.040 it by me, you. 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.240 Know, you gotta fasten it by. 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.680 Me so hard that, yeah, you're making a statement because 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:57.479 we all love genre film, so this is more like 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.320 trying to present them as original when there is no 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.320 twist and there is nothing new. 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.000 And when the trope is unfolding over the course of 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.760 a fifteen minute scene or something there it becomes a song. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:14.560 And so I think this movie's fine, but like Joelle, 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:17.560 I'm a bit confused as to why it exists. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:19.679 That was my biggest that was I actually put that 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.399 in our group chat when I got out of it. 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.159 Like the movie's fine, I actually didn't hate it. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:25.240 It's I it. 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:27.280 Yeah, It's higher up for me than some of his 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:30.320 other movies because just visually I kind of enjoy a 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:33.760 gothic story, So this like hit a bit harder for 0:18:33.840 --> 0:18:37.320 me than say The Northman. But I did come out 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.160 and I did text you guys and just go why 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.439 did he make it? Like I've seen not only have 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.320 I seen the nineteen twenty two on and this is 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.320 so similar. He did not really make many different choices 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.160 apart from this kind of interesting twist of the occult, 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.280 which I did enjoy, and Willem Dafoe does a great 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:55.359 job with that version of Van Helsing or Van Franz. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.280 But I've seen the Bernerherzog noos Ferrari, which is one 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:01.320 of my all time favorite movies that I'll talk about later. 0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:05.960 But like, I didn't understand the need to remake this 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:08.520 other than just it being something he wanted to do, 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.680 I don't necessarily know if it has a reason for existing. 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:14.000 And also, I will say one of the biggest issues I. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.399 Think here, and one of the reasons why there was 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.520 ping ponging back between the two spaces doesn't appeal in 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:23.520 the same way as other movies is in the original Dracula, 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:27.040 you have the Carpathian Mountains and Transylvania, which is this 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:31.200 very wild, very incredible or inspiring space that many people 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.240 had never really seen before, and then you have Whitby, 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.960 which is like a cozy British seaside town. I think 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:40.840 the problem here is Whisper and then Transylvania. They don't 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:44.160 look very different, Like there is not a huge scale 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:46.440 of difference between where Thomas went, but. 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.200 She was able to get really easily. 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.440 On horse in like a couple of days or something, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.440 and then where we are, So there isn't this kind 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:59.760 of dichotomy or juxtaposition of esthetic or even really vibe 0:19:59.880 --> 0:20:03.359 like visperg fucking sucks and the Kapathian Mountains fucking suck, 0:20:03.440 --> 0:20:06.120 like if you live there, not visually visually. I love 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:10.080 a little wintry space, but yeah, it was definitely in 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:13.040 that kind of like beautiful gowns kind of space, like, oh, 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:17.760 it looks nice, but am I feeling anything like I did? 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.560 And also I did see a really good meme that 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.840 somebody had made where they were like, I'm sorry, Robert Eggers, 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.000 but this casting doesn't work for me, referring to Lily 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:30.760 Rose depth because they were like, I know those eyes 0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:31.920 have seen an air. 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.399 On and I was like, you know what, They're not wrong. 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.560 Like every time I saw the one. 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:40.280 Thing I do I love something, I will say that 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.320 I loved about the way they dressed her and did 0:20:42.320 --> 0:20:45.080 her costuming and her wig. She has a very high 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.399 forehead and when they would shoot her from the side, 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:51.399 she kind of has this peeking forehead with this very 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.639 severe black hair. And there were moments where I was like, Okay, 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.880 I get it, like this is kind of new Gothic, 0:20:57.080 --> 0:21:00.159 like you're leaning into the tropes but showing more. But 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.440 in the end it did feel to me like more 0:21:02.480 --> 0:21:06.399 of a kind of an experiment for him that didn't 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:10.000 have anything to say, and also like didn't really reposition itself. 0:21:10.800 --> 0:21:13.440 In the case of how Ellen was treated in the 0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:18.040 original Nosferatu or in the context of how women understand 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.840 Dracula now and how like a movie even for example, 0:21:21.880 --> 0:21:24.040 like nineteen ninety two is another movie I'll talk about 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.679 Bram Stokers Dracula Francis for cople of picture, but like 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:30.000 also as well, like yeah, that is a movie that 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:35.200 deeply innately understood the relationship between like vampires and sex. 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:39.640 The subduction, Yeah, the seduction. We'll be right back after 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:51.480 a quick break and we're back. 0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:53.440 What did you guys think of that? Because I felt like, here, 0:21:53.440 --> 0:21:54.320 there's no seduction. 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:59.880 I thought that there was a cool early in the film. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.280 I thought there was this really cool dynamic that was 0:22:03.320 --> 0:22:08.160 emerging that was like almost this was almost a class story. 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:11.160 This is a story about a working class guy who 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.639 needs money. He's borrowed money from his rich friend. He 0:22:14.840 --> 0:22:19.879 desperately takes this job where he encounters this rich lord 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:22.520 who wants to fuck his wife, and he's gunnap no 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:24.080 matter what, no matter what. 0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:25.760 This guy's really interesting read. 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:29.520 I like that indecent proposal gothic site. 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:33.399