1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys 3 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: training live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at the 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: Star in Chris Jay. Hello, and welcome to Talking Cowboys 5 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,160 Speaker 1: one on one. I'm Heckman Harrison, and obviously I don't 6 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: have my guys with me today. The three screens have gone, 7 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 1: but that's okay. Isaiah, Rob and Kyle will be back 8 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: with me on regular schedule once the season gets kicked off, 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: and god knows we're all hoping for that. But today 10 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: I have a special guest, a ten year NFL that 11 00:00:54,240 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: All Pro Ivy League Hall of Famer, author, former ESPN, 12 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: NFL analysts, and current hosts of Speak for Yourself on 13 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: Fox Sport one from Compton to Columbia. My man, Marcellus, 14 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: that dude Wiley, how are you? Brother? Of doing great man? 15 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: And thanks for the obituary before. It always feels good. 16 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: But I know who I'm talking to right now, so 17 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: I gotta i gotta address the elephant in the room 18 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: first and foremost, I'm sorry Dallas Cowboys for who you 19 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,360 Speaker 1: got in terms of Marcelves Wiley and production and performance. 20 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: My one year cup of coffee in Dallas. But I 21 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: was so blessed to be one to call Dallas one 22 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: of my four homes in the NFL. And I still 23 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: get the most love and adoration and fan support from 24 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys despite me giving them my worst performances. 25 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: But hey, sometimes you're the last person to realize that 26 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: you're no good anymore. And I realize that in Dallas 27 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: for ourselves. Hey, once the cowboy, always the cowboy, you know, 28 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: the model. And so this whole one on one series 29 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 1: that we have, Man, it's all about going and talking 30 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: and having those conversations with former Cowboy players or someone 31 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 1: that's linked into the metro play. So this is a 32 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: really important series for us, and man, I'm just so 33 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: thankful to have this opportunity to sit down and talk 34 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: shot with you. But before I get started, man, I 35 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: want to just ask you, how are you and your 36 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: family dealing with all of this COVID nineteen ism man 37 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:40,239 Speaker 1: that we're having to deal with right now. Yeah, my wife, 38 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: I'm so blessed to have her in terms of her 39 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: understanding of the medical world. She's anesthesiologists and with a 40 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: nurse background, she understands exactly how we should tackle medical 41 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: issues and health issues when they're obviously invading everyone's life 42 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: right now in terms of the personal, the public, what 43 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: you should do in terms of mask and social distancing. 44 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: She's a great translator of all the information that is 45 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 1: flying by me and all of us left and right. 46 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: That said, I've really created my own island in terms 47 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: of my social distancing, my quarantining. We've been as great 48 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: as you can be in any circumstances. And my kids, 49 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: thankfully three of them are very young for one and 50 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: a couple of months old, so they don't know any 51 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: different unless we show it in our emotions, show it 52 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: in our reactions. Yeah, they missed school, but at that 53 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: age two of them didn't even attend school. And my 54 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: four year old was like, well, this is a long break, dad, 55 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: And we talk about Corona and there are some things 56 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: he asked for, and I say, well, once the Corona 57 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: virus is gone. So now he uses that a part 58 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:57,119 Speaker 1: of his conversation, like, once the Corona virus is gone, Dad, 59 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: can we go here? So tecting my energy, I'm protecting 60 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: my family. And I know a lot of people are 61 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: affected in a negative way by this, and I make 62 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: sure to have my empathy for them and do my part, 63 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: which is be responsible, socially distanced, and make sure I 64 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: keep that mask on. Everybody has to do that, and 65 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: that is the going thing going for everybody. You know, 66 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: keep that mask on, stay safe, And just really happy 67 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: to hear that you and your family are dealing well 68 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: with this because these are at first times. I mean, 69 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like I know you haven't either, 70 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: so it's definitely an adjustment to everyone's lifestyle. But I 71 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: want to relate this to the NFL and what's going 72 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: on right now. You being a ten year veteran in 73 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: the NFL and having to get your body prepared for 74 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: the rigors of an NFL season, and you have articulated 75 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 1: that very well in your career as a broadcaster, but 76 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: just looking at the new environment with COVID nineteen and 77 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 1: I also have to get ready for us man this 78 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: from your opinion, do you believe that we're going to 79 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: see a traditional NFL season that starts in September and 80 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,919 Speaker 1: finishes in February. We will see an NFL season, it 81 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: won't be traditional, and that may be a positive. Take 82 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: you back a couple of months where we had the 83 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: draft and it wasn't a traditional draft, but it was 84 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: a positive in terms of we're us watching these players 85 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: in the comforts of their home, and even the commissioner 86 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: sitting there on this is big sofa just chilling. You 87 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: humanize the experience because a lot of times you can 88 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: get far away from the core of the matter, which 89 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: is someone made their dreams a reality. The first pick 90 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: overall Joe Burrow and mister irrelevant who I don't know 91 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: his name. That's the point. That guy made his dreams 92 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: of reality, as well as undrafted free agents, and it 93 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: was just good to see the human element come out 94 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: using the technology like we're using right now. And it 95 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: was the highest rated draft history, So like it was 96 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: a positive, that positive. I think that's gonna be the 97 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: same with the NFL season. Two things are gonna be 98 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: at play, and I want fans to understand saying one 99 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:14,160 Speaker 1: that football in the NFL is a television product. They 100 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: make billions and billions of dollars because of TV writes. 101 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: They make millions and millions of dollars because you get 102 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: to go to the game and get to sit there 103 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: in your seat and buy popcorn, buy beer, and get 104 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: a jersey. Y'all know the math. Billions versus millions, billions 105 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: are gonna win. So what they need to do is 106 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: lean into Look, we understand the economic health balance. And 107 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: you can't say this in so many ways. You got 108 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: you gotta know how to dance with elasticity in this one. 109 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna say it to you correctly and directly. 110 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: We have to treat COVID when it comes to the 111 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: NFL experience like we do physical injuries. If you get 112 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: a high ankle spring, you're out four to six weeks. 113 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: If you get corona, you're out two weeks. Quarantining simple 114 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: as that. Don't care who the player is, Sorry, don't 115 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: care what team it happens to, and sorry, we're not 116 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: stopping the NFL. Why do you have to approach it 117 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: that way? Because anything short of that, you're gonna be 118 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: jump starting and stopping foot on the brake, foot on 119 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: the gas, and you're not gonna go near where you're intending. 120 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: So I think fans will understand from leadership if they 121 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: say we're going to play this year, but no fans 122 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: in attendance. And the Fellas said, well, depending on city 123 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: by city, state by state, we will have fans. I'm 124 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: o't care with that. But if we don't have fans, 125 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: imagine this, you're watching the game at home, and we 126 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 1: all know we love a game at home because if 127 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: you're at home, you get to watch all the games, 128 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: whether it's red zone, flipping the channel, you got eight 129 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: hours of straight football, if not more. No traffic, no 130 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: long bathroom lines, nobody yelling at you, security not running 131 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: by you because someone just had a fight, all that stuff. 132 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: It's you to remote your beer. You're chilling and you're 133 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: watching the game. You're like, we're the fans. Oh they 134 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: are there. CGI. We watch Jurassic Park and we have 135 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: never seen a real dinosaur in our life, but we 136 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: think they're real. We watch Jurassic Park. They need to 137 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: CGI to fans into the arenas and make them guys 138 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: jump up, make them gals jump down, make them scream, 139 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: make them have boredom, whatever happens during the normal course 140 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: of the game. Give me three hours of fake people 141 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: in the stands on the sideline and give me my 142 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: normal football game. That's as close as we can get 143 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: to reality. And I think that's the best proposal. Do 144 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: you just tie in Jurassic Park and CGI and to 145 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: the fan experience, Libby, I gotta because Jurassic Park one 146 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: of my favorite movies. And when you said CGI, I 147 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: was right there with you. In the bubble contained everybody else. 148 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: You have no hands out the windows, don't get your 149 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: home made off, you know. So that's the same thing 150 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: absolutely with the virus. But you know with things restarting, 151 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: with the MLP restarting their season, also the NBA, and man, 152 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: what they're doing in Disneyland. I mean, they're putting these 153 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: guys in a bubble for three months. That's not gonna 154 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: be any outside. You know, nobody going outside, nobody going inside. 155 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: And when you think about that as a player, with 156 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,719 Speaker 1: everything that they're trying to do to ensure that that 157 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: will be a season, is that something that you think 158 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: that you could have adhered to during your playing days. Hey, 159 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 1: there's a lot of reports about how the bubble is 160 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: gonna look. Some people call it the bubble. Some people 161 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 1: call it an illusion because you gotta be real, like 162 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 1: those service essential workers at room service, the maids, they're 163 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: going home, They're not staying in that bubble like you know. 164 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: So the bubble is not even perfect, whether it's in 165 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: reality or even in imagination, it's not going to be perfect. 166 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: And the players supposedly can go to certain local restaurants. 167 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: Supposedly they can go golf, you know, take their mind 168 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 1: off the game. That's gonna break the bubble as well. 169 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: So that's why I lean into what I said, which 170 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: may sound a little heartless, but it's the reality. If 171 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: someone contracts it, put him in a corner et y'all 172 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: see the movie. Put them in the bubble with his 173 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: whole little bit bubble. He just gotta sit there for 174 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: two weeks. That's that's life. He has a high ankles, 175 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: praying for two weeks. That's how we're gonna treat him. 176 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: But in reality, what I've been able to do it absolutely. 177 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna lie to you, guys. I tell 178 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: you exactly my emotional thought process. It will be this. 179 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: I get paid not for the things I want to do. 180 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: I get paid the big bucks playing a child's game 181 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: for the things I don't want to do, because they 182 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: give us millions and millions of dollars and we have 183 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: to make tremendous sacrifices. But guess what they also pay 184 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: you for all the things that are not glamorous about 185 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: the game. So you got to keep that in mind 186 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: that a paycheck comes with service, and I have to 187 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: serve not only my job and something that is a 188 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: dream that is now in reality for me. But more 189 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: so than that, you have to look at it from 190 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: the perspective of I only have so many years to 191 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: do this. I don't care how good, how great I am. 192 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: I have the finite shelf life. I only have a 193 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: few years to do this. Whether that's ten years, twenty years, 194 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: or two years, that is short in comparison to what 195 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: life is offering you. So as a means to an end, 196 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: which sports are, I have to go out there get 197 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: my game on while I still can, while I'll still 198 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: love healthy mind, body and spirit. So for me, it 199 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 1: would have been a no brainer. People be like, wow, 200 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: you're not nervous. I said, yeah, but I've been nervous 201 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: for every football game too. I still played dinner. So 202 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do thing with this. I'm gonna understand the risk, 203 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: but I know I would be out there trying to 204 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 1: ball out. I'm good. Man. Well, listen, we gotta get 205 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: down to it. You gotta buckle your seatbelt, man, pull 206 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: your astray out because we bring it some smoke. Right now, 207 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about this year's the 208 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: Cowboys team that obviously everybody thought that the Cowboys would 209 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: be going defense at seventeen, and when you saw the 210 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: Cowboys take Cede Lamb at pick seventeen, where you as 211 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: surprised that that the Cowboys picked him at seventeen or 212 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: that he fell to seventeen more than he failed to seventeen. 213 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: Watching him play some of those four coming games, You're like, yeah, Lee, 214 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: like he was a joystick out there just just going 215 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: through the defenses. You're like, just do the special next 216 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: level of talent. And look, I'm one of the guys 217 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: that lean offense when it comes to how you share approach. 218 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: You you're scouting approach, your personnel, and your philosophy. You 219 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: gotta lean into the offensive weapons because I played defense. 220 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: I actually played on the number one defense in the 221 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: NFL one year we lost in the wildcard game. You understand, 222 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 1: people don't get this, and I'd be like, I'm trying 223 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: to tell y'all, if a great offense versus a great defense, 224 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: the defense is gonna lose a hundred and one times 225 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 1: out of a hundred and It may not add up 226 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 1: like that in the numbers, I get it, but in reality, 227 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: in my mind, I'm like, a great defense will keep 228 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: a team to three points. Six points, yeah, a great 229 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: offense is like we were scoring thirty, Like we're putting 230 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: up thirty, so minimum. And so I'm like, when you 231 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: have that collision course, if it's a tie, if they're comparable, 232 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: lean offense, it's much easier to score than to go 233 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: out there and saying you're not going to score. So 234 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: you one mistake, one gap assignment that has missed, that's 235 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: six points, and that could be the ball game. You're 236 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: a great defense. You gave a one on playing. But 237 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: the offense is like three and out, three and out. 238 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: We saw it last year with the Chiefs. Three and out, 239 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: three and out, three and out, all that down ten 240 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: and all that down twenty one and and why and 241 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: then it's over. So I'm glad the Cowboys leaned offense. 242 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm glad they leaned into the receiving corp even though 243 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: they have a great duo. Now you got it, so 244 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: and Dak Prescott just has more weapons to play with. 245 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: So I think it was a smart play all right. Now, 246 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: if you know anything about Dallas. Man, there's a date 247 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: that we all have circles on the calendar, and that's 248 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: you lout of the fifteenth, and I'm sure you, like 249 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: everybody else, your phone just blew up with a notification 250 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: that somebody you know who, you know where just got 251 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: a ten year deal, which amplifies everything that we have 252 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 1: going here in Dallas with Dak Prescott. What do you 253 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: think that Dak has to do or what hasn't he 254 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: done to actually get that contract that pushes him into 255 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: that stratosphere of some of your upper echelon guys in 256 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, it's amazing that there's a new ceiling 257 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: in an NFL based on this new ten year deal. Right, 258 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: And if I'm Dak Prescott, I'm like, the ceiling is 259 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: heaven who ten year deals? And we don't know the 260 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: numbers yet, but for me, I'm not signing anything under 261 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: five hundred million, Like if there's not half a billion 262 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: because of the TV deals and the new CBA's hell no, 263 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: I'm not signing this. So we'll see what the numbers are, 264 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: but that can't do anything else. This is on Jerry, 265 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: This is on Stephen in terms of chasing that high 266 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: and I know it's tough. It's easier said than done. 267 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 1: Their first six years owning the team, they want three 268 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: super Bowls, y'all, Like imagine buying a team and then 269 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: you blink and you're like, oh, every other year we 270 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: won in the Super Bowl and then contention pretty much 271 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: every other year. Insane. But now since that moment in 272 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: ninety six, they've been chasing that high and they spent 273 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: money here, there, everywhere trying to get it. And then 274 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: finally they find a fourth rounder who basically supposed to 275 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: sit there behind Romo with chill, Romo has hurt. He 276 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: comes in, he wins thirteen games his rookie year, and 277 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: I think somewhere in their spirit they said, maybe this 278 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: is the time we don't have to spend it, and 279 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: we may wait, maybe we can get him on the 280 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: cheat finally, because we spend all our money trying, let's 281 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: try a different approach. First time ever a Cowboys quarterback 282 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: has been franchised. Despite when you put the gun to 283 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: his head last year and said we're not going to 284 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: get you a new deal, go out there and play 285 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: your last year of this deal out, he just went 286 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: out there and pr personal record said, oh before you said, oh, 287 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: team success, yes, but you don't have the individual numbers. 288 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: Then he went out there and got the individual numbers. Says, 289 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: stop moving the goal post, Hobbie, I know what it is. 290 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: You're trying to keep me for the lolow. All right, 291 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: here's the problem, Jerry and Stephen. The lolo keeps getting 292 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: higher and higher because when Dak looks at what Patrick 293 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: got and what the Shan's gonna get and it won't 294 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: last as long, but maybe a Lamar Jackson next year, 295 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: Oh good, Laurence, and then they're gonna keep coming and 296 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: keep coming because you're gonna have a way to trivia. Lawrence, 297 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: we can talk about to him. Maybe how about just 298 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: too many guys gonna get paid? Jimmy g was the 299 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: highest paid quarterback in the year in the league two 300 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: years ago now like mid pack. So the point of 301 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: the thing, Hey, if you don't want to pay him now, 302 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,239 Speaker 1: you certainly gonna pay him later. Yeah. The price goes up, 303 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: it don't go down, right, So absolutely so. And another 304 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: what I want to get to is something that I 305 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: think is is very awesome about your career. Now you 306 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: have played for some Hall of Fame coaches and Marv 307 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: lev and Bill Parcels and Marty Schottenheimer is a guy 308 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: that deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Just 309 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: my personal opinion. Yeah, man, And in that transition for 310 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:45,959 Speaker 1: you in San Diego, your coach first was Mike Riley, 311 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: and then obviously Mike Riley gets gets let go, and 312 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: then it comes to Marty Schottenheimer, right, coach that has 313 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: respect already of the locker room from what he's done 314 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 1: in the league. Already looking at this current Cowboys gene 315 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: change from Jason Garrett and now Mike McCarthy, how do 316 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: you feel that this veteran group is going to be 317 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: able to deal with the mind state change and just 318 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, just overall strategy change with Mike McCarthy. Well, 319 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna go. Well, Mike McCarthy's kind of 320 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: underrated as a coach. He has a Super Bowl shifts 321 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: high went for centage. People sleep on him. He wasn't 322 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: even in the top ten rankings. I just saw a 323 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: couple of days ago and I'm like, we got other 324 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: guys in there, and this guy's want it all. And 325 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 1: he helped evolve with Aaron Rodgers into one of the 326 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: greatest quarterbacks we've seen. But for some reason, I guess 327 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: because he had reports of getting a massage at work, 328 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: which I've done a dolland times like that, all of 329 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: a sudden, names he's not a great coach. Whatever, b 330 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: ask Anyway, we move forward to the point where we're 331 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: here now, and you get a coach that walks in 332 00:18:50,359 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 1: and every coach walks in like they're a new sheriff 333 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: in town, and here's my new set of rules and laws. Remember, 334 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 1: whenever you see someone and football's militaristic, it's kind of like, yes, sir, no, sir, 335 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,479 Speaker 1: I do the right things. You got an assignment. You 336 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: go out there and you do your assignment. Whenever you 337 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: see someone in that position, you always check their sleeves 338 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: and you check their stripes. And if it's a former player, 339 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: they got a certain level of stripes. If it's a 340 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: guy who has a record of winning and success and 341 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 1: building programs, he has more stripes. You look at Mike 342 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: McCarty's that sleeve is full of stripes. So his message 343 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: should resonate quickly with these guys, and it should be 344 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: effective because you trust in it. Most of the time 345 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: you waste for the new coaches just trying to trust him. 346 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: You're like, all right, I hear you. And especially when 347 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: it's a younger coach than you, it's tough. But Sean 348 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 1: McVay didn't prove that. But you get the young guy 349 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: in there. He wasn't even good. He didn't even go 350 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 1: thro and they're like, man, if he don't shut up, 351 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: and especially if it doesn't work fast. So Mike McCarty, 352 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: he has that luxury of experience or resume, and they 353 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: should work for the Cowboys absolutely. Now when you look 354 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: at the going and I want to touch on something 355 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: that I think is going to resonate with you, and 356 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: that's the Cowboys defense. Now, they had their struggles last year. 357 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: It's documented they lost some guys in production with Robert 358 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: Quinn who went to the Chicago Bears. But they did 359 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: upgrade with dump Terry Poe and Gerald McCoy, Alvin Smith 360 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: being reinstated into the league and also Randy Gregory. With 361 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 1: the addition by subtraction maybe mantra that we're going into 362 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: with this season. Do you believe that the Cowboys have 363 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: solidified their front as a defense, Well, definitely on paper. 364 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: You gotta respect that. Here's the thing you look at, 365 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,919 Speaker 1: look at this team, and you look at their under 366 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: achievement last year, and maybe they're overachievement a couple of 367 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: years ago. What's the law of averages? Like, were they 368 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: really in terms of talent and more so in execution? 369 00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: A lot of times you get lost in the talent conversation. 370 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: Could you just read the names and you read their production, 371 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: you think it all adds up. It's not about adding up. 372 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: It's about fitting in, you know. And a lot of 373 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: times you can be greater than some of your parts 374 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: or lesser form that chemistry that bond, the unspoken language. 375 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 1: When you can have that as a defensive in with 376 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: your defensive tackle, just look at him, he's like, Yeah, 377 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: I know we're about to get this. We run a 378 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: play that we don't even have to call or even 379 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: have to speak on. That's what you need, that cohesion. 380 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: So the projections of the defense, yeah they look talented. 381 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: Yeah they're gonna have a chip on her shoulder. Could 382 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: last year they kind of let the Cowboys down based 383 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: on expectations. But it has to come together. I am 384 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: not one to predict how things are gonna look because 385 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: I've had too many teammates that said yes, sir no, 386 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: sir war paint, all right, let's go out there and 387 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 1: kill them and sorry as hell. And then I had 388 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: guys who was just laying back chilling, watching watching TV, 389 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: reading magazines, giggling, and out there and destroy your books. 390 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,479 Speaker 1: So it's about collective mindset and cohesion. We'll see how 391 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: they played. Now. For Jerald McCoy, what I think is 392 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 1: very interesting. This guy has been all world, all pro 393 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: in his career. Now he's at the downside of his career. 394 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: And relating this to your time in the NFL ten year, 395 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: your ten year career, Gerald McCoy, This is going to 396 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: be his tenth year. As you know, Cowboy Nation, our 397 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 1: expectation of Gerald McCoy, as he's come in and fix 398 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: the problems that we had up front. How do you 399 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: feel Where do you feel he is right now and 400 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: where his production will be after ten years in the league. Yeah, 401 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: I mean this pretty much in terms of perception, will 402 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: be his last attempt to preserve that name of Gerald McCoy, 403 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 1: And it's you know, look, it's hard to make an 404 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: NFL roster. Let alone get on the field and make plays. 405 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: Let alone be a name that everyone knows when you 406 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: say it, Gerald McCoy. Oh yeah, I know he is. 407 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: So he's already had tremendous success to live in that 408 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: same realm and perception of expectation. This is it. He 409 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: messes up this year, and trust me, they're gonna be 410 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: looking at him like, yeah, all right, yeah you can. 411 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: You can like try for the position, you can work 412 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: to be the starter. Like it's just a whole different animal. 413 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 1: And I've been there. I've been at the top of 414 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: the mountain and at the bottom, going down fast with 415 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: no breaks and know how it goes. So this is 416 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: the last opportunity where people will hold him before seeing 417 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: it in high regard. The problem is if you don't 418 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: live up to this moment, if you fall shorten this moment, 419 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: even if you do great things next in the next situation, 420 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: next year, whatever it may be, they're gonna be hesitant 421 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: to give you your fair do So if he's Jerald 422 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: McCoy of old, which I expect, he knows what it is. 423 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: This is some crazy circumstances to try and like continue 424 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: your career of greatness. But he needs to be on 425 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: his grind and on his mis and stand out. If not, 426 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a far far drop from what it 427 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: used to sell us. There was a name that if 428 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: that list and Marcus Lawrence now here in the Dallas market. 429 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: We look at our guys through microscope. You know, we're 430 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: concentrating on them all the time. You a guy that 431 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: the part of the national media. You look at everybody, 432 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,479 Speaker 1: all thirty two teams. But in your opinion of DeMarcus Lawrence, 433 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: he's all world to us, right? But do you see 434 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: him as that Apex Predator top five guy and his 435 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: position in the NFL? D law Man who that dude 436 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: the ball got a chance to talk to him this 437 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,920 Speaker 1: offseason as well. I love the guy on the field, 438 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: off the field of respect for him. What you have 439 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: to do is find the consistency necessary to be one 440 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 1: of the greats, and that's something that is very difficult 441 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,119 Speaker 1: to achieve. I had two great years and then a 442 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: couple of years and then who's that? And the point 443 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: of it is the greats. I played with Bruce Smith, 444 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: I played, I was drafted to be the next Bruce Smith. 445 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,360 Speaker 1: He left. They cut Bruce Smith because of me. That's 446 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: like walking around saying they cut Michael Jordan because of you. 447 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I'm the man I've been in that place. 448 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: I've been in those shoes. If you can't consistently stay 449 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: in that position. And last year was not the best 450 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: of d Law, and Dan is so weird. It would 451 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: he had five sacks, So Dan is weird. You can 452 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: go out there and not do that much and the 453 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: ball just drops and the quarterback is grabbing and you're 454 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 1: grabbing sack. There's times when you could just have contained coach, 455 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: like all you gotta do is run up the field 456 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: and stay still. Quarterback bootlegs right to you. There are 457 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: plays when you're like, yo, I ain't really like do 458 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: that much and I got one. And then there are 459 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,679 Speaker 1: plays where you beat three dudes and the third second, 460 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: fourth second, you're going right to the quarterback. He grows 461 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: the ball and that gets nothing. That gets no mess, 462 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 1: no metric. So I saw the film of d Law. 463 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: He still got it. D Law has top five potential 464 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: the years prior to this. He showed that in execution 465 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,200 Speaker 1: and production. But it's tricky out there watching Bruce Smith, 466 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: no one studying the gang, Studying guys who did that 467 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: consistently excellent for five, ten, fifteen years. That's a whole 468 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: different animal than having a couple of good years and 469 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: one suspect. So I just want to see the consistency. 470 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: I think he has a talent. I think he has 471 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: the mindset. It's just you gotta keep those numbers up 472 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: there or we're gonna come at you. Bro. Mysell is 473 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,879 Speaker 1: that is a wonderful answer. Thank you for that. And 474 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: I think you know again, the way that we see him, 475 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: he's all world you know, and comparable. We know that 476 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 1: he's that dude too, right. But I got something for you, man, 477 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: I got some rap rapping this whole thing up. I 478 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,720 Speaker 1: got some rapid fire questions for you. I look, man, 479 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: I've done my homework on you, my homework on you. 480 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: I know all about you. Man. It's been a pleasure 481 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: just getting to see your career and where you came 482 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: from and all of that. Man, So I know you 483 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 1: being a California guy. California is the land of Taco. 484 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're gonna get this started, right, corn 485 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: or flower torts, Corn, no doubt, no corn, no doubt. 486 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: All right, So players, Christian McCaffrey, Ezekiel, Elliott, Kathy what yeah, yeah, 487 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: I mean, look, I love you, Zeke, but I need 488 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: a little more consistency. You let Dack down last year 489 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: to hold out using Marshall Falkes your microphone, and then 490 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 1: some of these issues off the field. I ain't hurt Smack, 491 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 1: none of that and and Smack playing nine positions with 492 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: no quarterback. Yeah all right. So you spend time at Columbia, 493 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: so you're a bit of a New York guy as well. 494 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: So New York pizza, Roscoe chicken and waffles. That's because 495 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 1: they both are the best. Um, I would have to 496 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: go Rosco's because my rationalist, I've had great pizza outside 497 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: of New York, but I haven't had great chicken and 498 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: waffles really outside of roscos And either Rosco's has fallen 499 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: off because the chicken ain't is good, but the waffle. 500 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: The waffle has never lost the game in his life. 501 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: But the chicken. They need to they need to actually 502 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: import Popeyes into Rosco's for the chicken part and keep 503 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: their waffle. That's answering, all right. So big question, because 504 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: I know you are a come to California guy that 505 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: went to Columbia all the way to New York. During 506 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: the heights of the East Coast, West Coast of be 507 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 1: Tupac of Biggie whoa you are wrong for these questions. 508 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: I would have to take Tupac because he had more albums, 509 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: more songs, more body of work. But in terms of 510 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: like who's the better rapper? Who Biggie? Biggie had two albums, 511 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: one was a double disc, one just a regular album 512 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: and he already went to Mount Rushmore on two albums. 513 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: You were like Yalli. His flow is delivery, his style, 514 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: his lyrical play beats everything like Biggie. Biggie was better 515 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: for me. Like in terms of songs top he's a 516 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: top heavy roster, but the depth like Pok has so 517 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: many and so many different styles of himself. So if 518 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: the whole amount of songs, it would be Biggie, but 519 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 1: Biggie into too short, man, it was too shorter career 520 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: kind of Terrell Davids to feel like a very standard 521 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: or something, you know what I mean? Yeah, so conflicted 522 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: on that, you know I'm hurting. I hate the question 523 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: more well, I tell you what, marcellis. Thank you so 524 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: much for sitting down with me. Man. I hope that 525 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 1: we get an opportunity to do this again. Man, stay healthy. 526 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, man, this is These are some strange times 527 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: and Also, I want to tell everyone that's watching this 528 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 1: thank you for tuning in. But if you get an 529 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to order the book Never Shut Up by Marcellus Wiley, 530 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: you could go to his website Marcellus Wiley dot com 531 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: and order the book. Did I do that right? Did 532 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: I plug it right? He did it right? Man. I 533 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: appreciate you so much. Cowboys my father's favorite team since hello, 534 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: he's from Tyler, Texas. It was a dream come true 535 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: to play for the Cowboys and respect the Cowboys' nation 536 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: no matter what. Man always got love for you because 537 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: they showed me so much. And I'm Heckma Harrison and 538 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: this is talking Cowboys