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Speaker 3: Here we go. It's our two.

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Speaker 1: Alexi Lawless going to be showing up our three, one

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Speaker 1: hundred days out from the World Cup. So I am

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Speaker 1: Mike Sando, who does excellent work. He polled four executives

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Speaker 1: in the NFL, and he said, you know, forget all

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Speaker 1: these mock drafts. Four executives in the NFL, give me

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Speaker 1: your top ten. Give me your top ten mock draft.

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Speaker 1: And a couple of things has just jumped out to me.

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Speaker 1: Fernando Mendoza, rvel Reees, David Bailey, Carnel Tate, who feels

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Speaker 1: can't miss a bunch of Miami guys, Mackay Lemon, the receiver,

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Loved the running back, Peter Woods Clemson, zero SEC

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Speaker 1: guys for NFL execs who used to fall over themselves

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Speaker 1: to draft SCC guys, zero sec guys.

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Speaker 3: In the top ten.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, the NIL has been a Netflix uber

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Speaker 1: level disruptor. The transfer portal, and the NIL they have

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Speaker 1: hurt the SEC, college basketball and college football. They don't

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Speaker 1: have the money. I mean, think about Alabama football. They

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Speaker 1: have a first round quarterback, potentially a first round tackle offensively,

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Speaker 1: and an excellent head coach blown out by in the end.

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Speaker 1: Men's college basketball current AP pole top fifteen one SEC team.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just let me read you the teams ACC

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Speaker 1: Big twelve, Big ten, Yukon SEC, Big twelve, Big twelve,

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Speaker 1: Big ten, Big ten, Big twelve, Big ten, Gonzaga ACC

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Speaker 1: Big twelve, Big ten, one SEC team.

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Speaker 3: I mean that it is five.

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Speaker 1: Years ago we were worried about the lack of competitive

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Speaker 1: balance in college sport, and I think it's funny when

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Speaker 1: the SEC was paying players.

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Speaker 3: Everything is rosy.

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Speaker 1: Now that it's above board, We've got a real problem

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Speaker 1: college football and basketball.

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Speaker 3: Now the problem is down south.

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Speaker 1: One basketball team in the top fifteen, top ten according

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Speaker 1: to Mike Sando for NFL Execs, no best receivers, Big ten,

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Speaker 1: best back, Notre Dame best o lineman, Utah Miami.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt on the lack of SEC talent in the

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Speaker 1: NFL draft. Point Joel Clatt, you know it's something. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was weird to watch. Alabama's got a great coach,

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Speaker 1: great quarterback, a great left tackle and just gets housed

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Speaker 1: by Indiana. And for the record, I thought the NIL

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Speaker 1: I will say, I think the best corner I saw

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Speaker 1: to have the best corner, but I mean in Fernando

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Speaker 1: Mendoza didn't even come from the SEC to go to Indiana.

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Speaker 1: He was at CAL whatever conference there in now so

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Speaker 1: it is CAL to Indiana. So again, we all knew

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Speaker 1: that transfer portal and NIL would change, but it's it's distinct.

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Speaker 3: Here is clapp.

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Speaker 4: Mock one point, Oh, I had ten players from the

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Speaker 4: the SEC. That's obviously a vast difference than what we

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Speaker 4: not going anywhere back to back to back Natty's by

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you go look at the quarterbacks coming

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Speaker 1: that Nick Wright. First things first, as joining us Live

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Speaker 1: usually makes a lot of sense. But he said something

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Speaker 3: He's going to give you his opinion is smug.

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Speaker 5: I think smug is fair. Oh yeah, a little full

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I would enjoy a round of

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Speaker 3: Were, so, Rich Paul says very healthy.

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Speaker 1: He said coach and star conflict healthy, And I said no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. In the NFL, Andy Reid Travis Kelsey, now

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Speaker 1: that's the football culture, right, y'all need each other. The

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Speaker 1: basketball culture is Lebron didn't like David Blatt, Luca didn't

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Speaker 1: the league at nineteen, supermax twenty three to twenty four.

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Speaker 1: The coaches, I mean, Spoe and Lebron had their issues.

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Speaker 1: don't buy into this. Oh it's no big deal, do

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Speaker 1: you well? I don't think it's nothing.

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Speaker 5: I maybe don't think it's quite as big of a

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Speaker 5: deal as it appears.

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Speaker 5: Listen, Luca annoys his coaches. Luca annoys a lot of people.

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Speaker 5: Luca his incessant griping at the officials and kind of

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Speaker 5: think his coaches, his management, fans of other teams. Now,

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Speaker 5: it's the tax on a guy who this year, in

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Speaker 5: what is universally being regarded as a down year, is

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Speaker 5: going to win the scoring title, is scoring thirty three

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Speaker 5: worth the squeeze. I do think it is incumbent upon coaches,

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Speaker 5: To remember, I'm not allowed to be immature, the player is.

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Speaker 5: It's unfair, but that's reality. Like we saw the other

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Speaker 5: And Chris Finch just kind of had to eat it

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Speaker 7: They have a great.

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Speaker 5: Relationship because players can be emotional, players can be immature,

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Speaker 5: coaches can't be. So I wouldn't have thought this video

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Speaker 5: least is and I don't know if it's going to

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Speaker 8: It starts.

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Speaker 5: The confrontation starts because Luca won't give JJ a handshake,

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Speaker 5: like if you really watch what happens to youre Al Arrington

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Speaker 5: born of that's on the show yesterday. Like JJ's trying

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Speaker 5: to give Luca five Luca won't do it, so Luca

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Speaker 5: walks away and they go back and forth and they're

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Speaker 5: barking at each other, and then watch the end. Before

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Speaker 5: JJ walks away, Luca relents and puts his hand out

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Speaker 5: to get right there to give him five, and JJ

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Speaker 5: won't give it to him. Like you didn't give me five,

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Speaker 5: I won't give you five. And that's what got Luca going.

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Speaker 5: Shout out to Jared Vanderbilt for playing peacemaker, But I

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Speaker 5: just don't I think JJ cannot meet Luca's immaturity with

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Speaker 7: Better than that.

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Speaker 5: And he also has to recognize this in this moment

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Speaker 5: right now, Luca on is way better at his job

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Speaker 5: than JJ Reddick, is it his look at Anji's one

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Speaker 5: of the handful of very greatest players in the league,

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Speaker 5: even with his flaws, JJ Reddick has not earned that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you think everybody you know Jamak thinks I'm

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Speaker 1: constantly hating but Lebron is older. But that said, he

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Speaker 1: played well immediately with Austin Reeves. He actually was the

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Speaker 3: He worked with Kooky j R. Smith.

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving was a was kind of a broken brand

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Speaker 1: with everybody. It's like a salt in a kitchen course,

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Speaker 1: good on everything. And my take is, yet, when Lebron

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Speaker 1: and Luc are on the floor together, it's the Lakers'

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Speaker 3: Doesn't that give you a little pause on that Jalen.

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Speaker 1: Brunson becomes a star when he leaves him Lebron's struggling

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Speaker 3: Doesn't that give you some possive with Luca?

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Speaker 5: It does give me some pause. However, I not enough

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Speaker 5: and carry an underwhelming team to the finals. Now, it

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Speaker 5: ago he's in the finals with Again, Kyrie is a

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Speaker 5: really good player, but not a superstar, and it was

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Speaker 5: role players. What is definitionally true is Luca is not

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Speaker 5: easy to build around. You need specific archetypes of players

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Speaker 5: to build around him. Yes, And to me, what is

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Speaker 5: such a shame of the Lakers squandering last year their

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Speaker 5: first year with Luca and this year is the reason

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Speaker 5: they didn't have the right pieces, the right players to

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Speaker 5: right pieces put around Lebron James, because it's the same.

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Speaker 5: Who do you need for old Lebron James defenders and

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Speaker 5: three point shooters? Who do you need for young Lukadncic

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Speaker 5: And so it is a He is not an easy

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Speaker 5: of a fit to plug into a team as Kevin Durant,

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Speaker 5: take his seventeen shots, He's going to score his twenty

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Speaker 5: seven points, going to be awesome.

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Speaker 7: Luca is different.

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Speaker 5: What has surprised me is this Colin Lebron this year

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Speaker 5: He's in year twenty three.

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Speaker 3: This would be the Luca before the year.

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Speaker 1: I said, folks, there's going to be a gap Lebron

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Speaker 5: So Lebron didn't have the ball that much. And that

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Speaker 5: What doesn't make sense is Luca's usage rate this year

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Speaker 3: How do you land with Mendoza.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, and that's going back even further. He said

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Speaker 5: So that listen if you can tell from my set

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Speaker 7: As the way it used to be.

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Speaker 5: So it would be a catastrophe not to make it

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Speaker 5: Spain is a deserving favorite. And what I You have

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Speaker 5: So all of that with my own personal storyline of

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Speaker 1: I'm super excited. Now it's gonna be unbelievable. It just

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Speaker 5: It's speaking of fox stuff. Can I give you one

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Speaker 5: guess where I'm going this weekend, Colin? Now? Is it

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Speaker 5: First, you always joke our show with an unlimited budget.

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Speaker 3: World Baseball Classic. Yeah, I was just I mean, it's.

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Speaker 8: Great to have Nick right in today.

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Speaker 3: Journalist Jmack with the news. Turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline News.

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Speaker 6: I do prefer journalists to hot take artists, which I

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Speaker 6: don't occasionally.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know you used to work at the Big Lead.

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Speaker 3: You were very journalist journalism.

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Speaker 9: I didn't just worked their friend. I started the damn

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Speaker 9: company and sold it.

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Speaker 6: Anyways, let's start with the NFL draft. Colin and this

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Speaker 6: Fernando Mendoza overwhelming favorite status at the number one pick.

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Speaker 6: But interestingly, listen, you're gonna find doubters out there, so

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Speaker 6: of course your favorite outlet. The athletic found a veteran

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Speaker 6: offensive line coach who has doubts about Mendoza.

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Speaker 9: Saying are you ready for this?

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Speaker 8: Colin?

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 6: He's sure fire at all. I like the Alabama guy better.

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Speaker 6: Oh so we have one guy a betteran offensive line coach.

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Speaker 6: That's why he's not an OC.

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Speaker 8: I should not. I don't know if the guy is.

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Speaker 9: But like that, that seems a little goofy.

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Speaker 6: Well, I just don't to hear more than like, hey,

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Speaker 6: ty Simpson was great the first AID game.

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Speaker 1: I will say the thing I like about ty Simpson.

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Speaker 1: He's probably a little more athletic, he's less stiff. He's

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Speaker 1: a better athlete, probably than than Fernando Mendoza. The second

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Speaker 1: thing is and that when you have Nick Saban into

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Speaker 1: Kaitlin de Boor, you've got very good coaching. And the

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Speaker 1: Alabama team was not very good running game none. I

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Speaker 1: mean that's the thing about Alabama defense. They had to

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Speaker 1: win a lot of games by shootout. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: watched Alabama. Kalen de Boor won everywhere he was at.

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Speaker 1: He went to Washington and the guy was a magician

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Speaker 1: with Washington's talent. What does it tell you that he

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Speaker 1: goes to Alabama. It's not that the SEC is great.

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Speaker 1: SEC is weaker to than it was five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Why couldn't he win in Alabama? So Tys Simpson did

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Speaker 1: not play with as many good players, arguably as Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: You know Alabama quarterbacks over the last fifteen years, we

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Speaker 1: always go, well, anybody could win there, right, A couple

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Speaker 1: of guys you know, won Natties and near like you

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Speaker 1: know Aj mccern ish.

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Speaker 3: This is not that Alabama team. They had no run game.

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Speaker 1: So he really early in the season I thought was

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Speaker 1: really good. At the end of the season, it kind of,

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Speaker 1: you know, just watered down. It didn't look great, but

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Speaker 1: they were banged up and they had no run game.

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Speaker 1: So he's not your typical Bama quarterback that did it

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Speaker 1: with five star guys everywhere. Bama's just not that good.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree with a lot of that.

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Speaker 6: And I you know, sometimes end of the season, it's

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Speaker 6: similar to a batting order, Right, the pitcher has seen

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Speaker 6: the battle or the batters have seen the pitchers and

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Speaker 6: they catch up to him later in the game.

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Speaker 11: Right.

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Speaker 6: So was it a situation where they saw ty Simpson

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Speaker 6: early in the season and caught up to him late

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Speaker 6: and defense.

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Speaker 9: Is started bottling him up.

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Speaker 6: I don't know that you said there were some injuries,

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Speaker 6: but I will say this, so I do a lot

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Speaker 6: of you know, March madness stuff I posted online, and

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Speaker 6: you can tell by the numbers historically which teams are

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Speaker 6: going to have success in March. Okay, you can tell

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Speaker 6: in the NFL Draft colin which teams and which quarterbacks.

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Speaker 8: Are going to do well.

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Speaker 6: The history says quarterbacks that only started one season have

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Speaker 6: not thrived in the NFL. There's a perious question go

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Speaker 6: and find them. There aren't many, and ty Simpson was

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Speaker 6: only a one year starter. He got beat out by

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Speaker 6: Jaln Milroe. I forget who the other quarterback was before that.

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Speaker 6: So did Simpson just cook last year for a little

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Speaker 6: bit as an older quarterback.

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Speaker 9: Against young eighteen and nineteen year olds.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I think the scarcity of starts is there's

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Speaker 1: there's one hundred percent.

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Speaker 8: That's a big thing.

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Speaker 1: People forget Joe Burrow transferred before his great year. He

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Speaker 1: had a pretty solid year perc. Yeah, he and the

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Speaker 1: SEC was better, deeper, thicker, more NFL bodies, at least defensively. Then,

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Speaker 1: so Burrow had two years of starting. In the essay,

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Speaker 1: you see, you just didn't watch the first one.

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Speaker 6: If you watched it, he I think he was like

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Speaker 6: like straight up mediocre, like fifteen touchdowns, ten picks, something

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Speaker 6: along those lines, and then he just exploded and became

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Speaker 6: like the greatest quarterback in college football history for a season.

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Speaker 6: I think he said a bunch of records, didn't he.

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Speaker 1: Well that that team stacked at a one of the

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Speaker 1: toughest schedules ever and bulldozed through it.

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Speaker 8: So yeah, unbelievable stuff.

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Speaker 9: All right, let's stay in the NFL.

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Speaker 6: Go to Mike McDaniel, the new Chargers offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 8: Well, we had a guest on the show yesterday.

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Speaker 6: Roy Hee Moster, who played three seasons for McDaniel in Miami.

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Speaker 6: I won't talk about what we talked about here privately

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Speaker 6: yesterday regarding McDaniel, but here's what he said on air

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Speaker 6: about his former head coach.

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Speaker 11: Hey, Coachi was obviously, you know, the past couple of years,

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Speaker 11: what they've been going through has just been you know,

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Speaker 11: kind of kind of rough and and I kind of

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Speaker 11: feel bad for the players, you know, just because you know,

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Speaker 11: when you have a coach that that is so you know,

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Speaker 11: play friendly, it doesn't really mix all that well, you know.

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Speaker 11: I mean look at look at the coach in history,

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Speaker 11: not in just in the NFL, but you know, MLB, NBA,

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Speaker 11: you know, all these different these sports franchises, they they

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Speaker 11: have coaches that implement toughness, resilience, you know, and that's

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Speaker 11: something that he kind of missed The mark all I thought.

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Speaker 1: That was brutally forthcoming and honest yesterday he just laid

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Speaker 1: it out there is that we weren't a tough team.

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Speaker 1: We weren't a resilient team. We were clever. And that's

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Speaker 1: that has always been the question when you hire a coordinator,

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Speaker 1: it's you know, obviously, if you get a head coaching job,

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Speaker 1: Todd Monkin may not work but he succeeded at the

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Speaker 1: coordinator level. But to be a head coach, you know,

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Speaker 1: think about this. When you're a position coach, you're often

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Speaker 1: you know, you're a friend of the player. When you're

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Speaker 1: a coordinator, you're a supporter of the player. When you're

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Speaker 1: a head coach, you coach coaches and so a lot

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Speaker 1: of these you know, you have a different relations a

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Speaker 1: players coach. A lot of times you're really you're the

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Speaker 1: sounding board for the player, like the players getting beat

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Speaker 1: up by the head coach and the coordinator you're the

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Speaker 1: sounding board. You're there guy, you're their ally. And I

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Speaker 1: think Mike McDaniel is a really good position or coordinator,

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Speaker 1: but I'm not sure he can be the heavy in Miami.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't because we saw it last year. There were

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Speaker 1: multiple reports that came out like not holding players accountable.

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Speaker 1: So there's a fine line between like the players fearing

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Speaker 1: you and respecting you and that fear thing it works.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's you know, being a coordinator is one thing,

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Speaker 6: like you said, and then being the guy as head

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Speaker 6: coach much more difficult. Reminds me of a little of

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Speaker 6: the Cliff Kingsbury saga. Remember in Arizona Hey, great as

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Speaker 6: a coordinator. As a head coach, I know you're down

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Speaker 6: on it. I only I believe the only way to

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Speaker 6: find out if you're gonna be a head coach is

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Speaker 6: to be a head coach. McDaniel had a shot, they

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Speaker 6: got to the playoffs twice.

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Speaker 9: Kingsbury had a shot, got to the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: I'm a believer that those are young guys should get

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Speaker 6: another crack. I don't think like, oh, three years, boom,

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Speaker 6: you're done, it's over. Do you think McDaniel will be

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Speaker 6: a head coach.

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Speaker 3: Again, that's a good question. I think.

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Speaker 1: I think if you had an established team with a

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Speaker 1: with a quarterback that just needed like an older quarterback

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Speaker 1: that needed an ally at maybe it works.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I I was surprised Brian Flores, he has

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Speaker 1: a lawsuit, you know, against the NFL. I was surprised

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Speaker 1: he didn't get a job.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Like I've said this before about Cliff Kingsbury. I like Cliff,

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Speaker 1: but the book is out. He in Arizona and in

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Speaker 1: college didn't want to be the heavy like some coaches

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Speaker 1: just just want to cut the player, get rid of

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Speaker 1: the player. They don't they don't like that. The fissures

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Speaker 1: and relationships. Well, that's the league, that's pro sports. Players

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Speaker 1: have never had more leverage and been Richard, You're going

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Speaker 1: to have confrontation just part of the game.

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Speaker 8: So you want to hear the craziest thing I heard.

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Speaker 9: It's not that crazy.

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Speaker 6: But since we started talking about Kingsbury and guys who

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Speaker 6: were an offensive coordinator. So he's now with the Rams.

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Speaker 6: Do you know what his title is? Assistant head coach.

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Speaker 6: He's not the offensive coordinator. Cliff Kingsbury is the assistant

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Speaker 6: head coach of the Rams. So the as the story goes,

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Speaker 6: someone mentioned to me, well, what if McVeigh and Stafford

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Speaker 6: win a Super Bowl?

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Speaker 9: And McVeigh says, I'm out.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. I want to hand it to Cliff Kingsbury,

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Speaker 6: who was just my assistant head coach, watched me as

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Speaker 6: the head coreyerl.

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Speaker 1: He went to USC for a year and just did

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Speaker 1: kind of the same thing, keep an eye on his staff,

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Speaker 1: but didn't have to do the heavy stuff. He just

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Speaker 1: worked with Caleb. So I think Kingsbury is like assistant

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Speaker 1: to the head coach. That may be his jam, that

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Speaker 1: may be what he does.

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Speaker 8: Well for this year.

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Speaker 6: We'll see what happens next year, We'll see, but uh,

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Speaker 6: flok that to your boy.

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Speaker 8: Let's need let me know what he says.

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Speaker 6: Final story, Let's go to Adam Schefter reporting that Kenneth

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Speaker 6: Walker is not expected to get the franchise tag from Seattle,

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Speaker 6: meaning he will become an unrestricted free agent starting on

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Speaker 6: March eleventh. Walker would be just the fourth player to

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Speaker 6: win Super Bowl MVP and start the next season with

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Speaker 6: a following team.

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Speaker 8: This feels like a Jeopardy question.

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Speaker 6: The other three Larry Brown the cornerback, Desmond Howard a

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Speaker 6: wide receiver, special teams guy, and then Dexter Jackson, who

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Speaker 6: I think was a cornerback as well. Not a surprise

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Speaker 6: to you, Kenneth Walker going to be elsewhere next year.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 1: I worry about Clint Kubiak and Kenneth Walker not being

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Speaker 1: part of it. But I do think there's a reality

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Speaker 1: in Charbonay the backup spine.

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Speaker 3: They've got another running back they're okay with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I think he's a I think he

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Speaker 1: was perfect for Seattle and had a great playoff run.

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Speaker 1: But in fairness, I liked him out of Michigan State.

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Speaker 1: In fairness, he was He's very good after contact. He's

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Speaker 1: a bit of a bulldozer, not a blocker, not a

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Speaker 1: pass catcher, little bit of a one dimensional back. And

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably the right move going forward because

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Speaker 1: Seattle got tough decisions, and what you don't want to

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Speaker 1: do is judge his playoff run. As his career, he's

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Speaker 1: been hurt a lot as a running back.

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Speaker 6: He is a home run hitter, though I'll say he's

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Speaker 6: the big play guy. Charbonney's not as explosive as Kenneth Walker.

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Speaker 6: Turn He's twenty five, turns twenty six in October. There's

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Speaker 6: some chatter about the New York Giants as a potential

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Speaker 6: landing spot, as kind of a thunder and lightning with

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Speaker 6: Cam's scataboo scatabo I haven't heard any other teams, but

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Speaker 6: I think there's going to be demand for Walker.

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Speaker 9: You need two backs.

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Speaker 8: Now. We've talked about this a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good question, Jason.

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Speaker 1: There is a mark, obviously there is a market for him,

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Speaker 1: But Snyder is a very good GM.

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Speaker 3: If Snyder lets him go.

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Speaker 1: That will that will create pause with some.

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Speaker 3: Other teams, like, well he's letting him go.

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Speaker 1: But again, I think he fits with somebody on a

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Speaker 1: rookie deal man.

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Speaker 9: What about DK Metcalf, Remember they let him go.

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Speaker 8: People are like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 1: But I mean who's a like you know, I'll give

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Speaker 1: you an example. Who is a team with a young

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Speaker 1: or inexpensive quarterback? You know, Pittsburgh could be with Aaron

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Speaker 1: Raw What about Denver? If you're Denver, Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 1: that's interesting, Harvey and Kennath Walker is pretty interesting.

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Speaker 6: Cam Ward, go grab him in Tennessee to help with

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Speaker 6: cam Ward in the backfield. I mean there's options because

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Speaker 6: Sala has seen Walker, he knows what he can do.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think there's a market for Walker, bigger market than

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Speaker 6: Kyler Murray.

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Speaker 8: But that's another that's another time.

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Speaker 1: No good discussion. Jmack with the news, Well, that's.

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Speaker 1: So I know, now Jay Mack and Nick Wright think

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Speaker 1: I'm being a bit of a fire starter, but I

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Speaker 1: just think it's an interesting conversation where you know, Rick Carlisle,

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Speaker 1: an excellent coach now with the Pacers, and Luca did

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Speaker 1: not get along and Jalen Brunson, who's now a star

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Speaker 1: in New York the Red Hot Knicks and Luca didn't

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Speaker 1: see eya eye. And it's pretty clear that JJ Reddick,

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Speaker 1: according to some video we saw Saturday night, and Luca

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Speaker 1: don't always I mean, it can be confrontational. So again,

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Speaker 1: over the last ten days, people are now acknowledging there

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Speaker 1: is a trend. Rick Carlile gets along with a lot

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Speaker 1: of people, couldn't get along with Luca. Brunson exploded once

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Speaker 1: he left. Luca Lebron, who plays well with everybody, doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily a year in play well with Luca JJ Reddick.

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Speaker 1: Confrontation right there with Luca constantly Luca berating the officials.

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Speaker 1: So here was Nick right earlier on the Luca JJ

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Speaker 1: Reddick incident.

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Speaker 5: It is incumbent upon coaches, even young coaches like JJ,

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Speaker 5: even former players like JJ. To remember, I'm not allowed

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Speaker 5: to be immature the player is. It's unfair, but that's reality.

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Speaker 5: JJ cannot meet Luca's immaturity with his own. JJ is

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Speaker 5: the literal adult the coach. He has to be, I

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Speaker 5: think better than that, and he also has to recognize

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Speaker 5: this in this moment right now, Luka Doncic is way

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Speaker 5: better at his job than JJ.

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Speaker 7: Reddick is it his?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And I do think though, as I stated earlier, the

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Speaker 1: basketball culture and football culture are different. Football Brady's yelling

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Speaker 1: at Josh McDaniels, I mean, Peyton Manning's barking at Jeff Saturday,

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Speaker 1: Bo Nix and Sean Payton. I mean, what do they have?

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Speaker 1: Four dust ups this year? Five in the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years. There's the Andy Reid, Travis Kelcey. This is

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Speaker 1: just part of the football culture. There's an intensity on

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Speaker 1: game day, one game a week. It gets loud and

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Speaker 1: there's volume and it's confrontational and it's all good within minutes.

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Speaker 3: Basketball, once the star.

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Speaker 1: Is not happy, Katie not happy with Steve Kerr, the GM,

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Speaker 1: Bob Myers, maybe Draymond Green, splits Lebron and spoke Lebron

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Speaker 1: and David Blatt, Kawhi and pop Uh. You know, the

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Speaker 1: player wins. And and with the new CBA, the star

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Speaker 1: players make so much money. They've never had more power.

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Speaker 1: So I you know, people that you don't like Luca,

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Speaker 1: there's no question he's gifted. But this idea that he

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Speaker 1: was a liability free I mean we got multiple the

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Speaker 1: GM in Dallas struggled with him, Carlisle.

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Speaker 3: Struggled with him.

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Speaker 1: Lebron and he don't necessarily play well the officials and Luca.

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Speaker 1: It's a I mean, it's an obnoxious it's just something,

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Speaker 1: that's all.

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Speaker 3: It's just something. All right, we're good.

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Speaker 8: That's my favorite.

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Speaker 9: That's my favorite coward move. I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 8: Maybe it's something.

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Speaker 6: Meanwhile, you're over here lighting the match and throwing it

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Speaker 6: at the gasoline tank.

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Speaker 3: To just.

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Speaker 1: The NBA playoffs, and it's going to be very very engaging,

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Speaker 1: very no.

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Speaker 6: How insufferable I'll be when the Lakers win that first

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Speaker 6: round series.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, No, I wouldn't hold your breath on that