WEBVTT - Five Things About the 2022 Open Championship with Michael Clayton 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.800 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.920 I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.320 And when I find my ball. 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:11.440 In a brid Egg Frida Egg Friday, Frida Egg Bride, 0:00:11.440 --> 0:00:13.160 Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run. 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:13.680 Off of the hump. 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.360 Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Egg Podcast. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.160 Today's episode is our Open Championship preview. So we did 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.840 five things I think I think Clay's got to five 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:51.519 things with golf course architect, former European Tour player and 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:57.720 golf commentator Michael Clayton. So Michael has played in three 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.200 Open Championships at the Old Court, So figured, you know, 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:06.280 someone keen to golf architecture as well as the professional 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.400 game would be perfect for this podcast. 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:11.240 Thank you to Mike for coming on. 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:14.760 It's always great to pick his brain on on the 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.959 game of golf. He's got just a wealth of stories 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:22.360 and history and uh and knowledge. So, without further ado, 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:31.039 here is our Open Championship Preview with Michael Clayton. Clayton's 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:35.720 You're back and we got the one hundred fithieth Open 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.840 at Saint Andrew's the Old Course. I know it's a 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:42.160 place that you love and I figured it'd be a 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:44.440 great time to bring you on to talk a little 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.160 bit about, you know, the world of professional golf. And 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.080 I'm sure we'll touch on the Old Course. But tell 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:53.720 me how many how many competitive rounds have you played 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:57.960 at the Old Course in professional golf rounds? 0:01:59.200 --> 0:02:02.600 To miss cuts to make cut? So I made the 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:05.400 cut in ninety nineteen ninety, missed at ninety four, missed 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:06.160 at ninety. 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:08.880 Five, three majors, three majors. 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:12.079 Yeah, that was it. So, and I've never played the 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:15.080 golf course outside of an open week. I've walked it, 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.519 but never played it. So I've never actually played it 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:17.920 for fun. 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:20.280 It seems like you got to go do that. 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:24.240 I do. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's kind of a 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.119 train wreck of a course to play in the middle 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.120 of the day when there are thousands of people out there, 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:31.079 and just you know, when you've played it when you're 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:34.400 in an open, it's like playing it when it's I mean, 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.280 it's the craziest place in the world to play golf. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:37.840 It's not like you can go out there at four 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.160 o'clock and be on your own. You're playing in a 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.000 four ball and it's six hours and there's balls going everywhere, 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:48.119 and in some ways I just enjoy walking it rather 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:48.839 than playing it. 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:52.880 So this is with it being there, I feel like 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:58.119 it's a really nice kind of punctuation on the year 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:00.919 of golf. I think we've had really really stand out 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.600 major championships this year, and it's fitting that it's the 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:07.120 one hundred and fiftieth Open and it'll be at St. 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:07.799 Andrews. 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:12.320 And for this I did our traditional preview here with 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:16.880 five things about about the tournament that you're looking forward to, 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:19.640 and uh, why don't you, Why don't you hit me 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.280 with your first thing that you're you're looking forward to? 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:28.839 Tiger because everyone wants to know the state of Tiger's game. 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:33.040 And we finished up watching was it YouTube last night 0:03:33.080 --> 0:03:36.640 and no wherever it was, I watched that round he 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.760 played at the McManus thing in Ireland, so swinging looks good. 0:03:41.120 --> 0:03:44.240 You know. I just think he's the most compelling guy 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:47.800 since Sevy who was the you know. So it's everyone's 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:49.520 fascinat as to what he's going to do in the 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:54.480 state of his game. How the course plays is the 0:03:54.520 --> 0:04:00.080 second most interesting thing is how's the what's how's it 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.640 going to be affected by the equipment, which is really 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.880 a debate that's ramped up even more since the last 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.320 Open there, you know it was it was it was 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:12.080 a question in you know, twenty fifteen they were already 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:17.440 playing the Torment on five different golf courses or four 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:22.719 plus an out of bounds him malayas Eden New Old 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.560 and the seventeen's out of bounds. So but that debate 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:31.360 has only gotten bigger in the in the intervening seven years. 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.159 So it's a will highlight where the state of the 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.280 game is re equipment and so much of that is 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:42.039 the problem with that debate is that it's so dependent 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.280 on not dependent on but people fixate on the scores 0:04:45.320 --> 0:04:48.039 they shoot. So if ninety underwins like it did in 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:51.080 nineteen ninety, it's a disaster because well, look the course 0:04:51.160 --> 0:04:54.880 is too easy and obsolete and too short. Five years 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.240 later in ninety five, John Darley shot White five under, 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:01.040 So five under one all's right with well, because only 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.080 five under one, but that's complete. You know, that depends 0:05:04.080 --> 0:05:07.679 on the way that so you know, it's not asking 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:12.680 the question of what the equipment's done. The courses including 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.240 St Andrews and Roll, Melbourne and Marion and you know 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.920 the great all courses that were intended to play one 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.920 why but play another way because the vulgus I. 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:24.799 Fought, those two are are right there. I'm mined. 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:29.560 I'm you know, I'm very fascinated with Tiger for this 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.200 this tournament. Obviously, you know, we didn't see him at 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.520 the country club. Last time we saw him at Southern Hills, 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.039 he made the cut. I mean, I think one of 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.680 the things that has wowed me this year with Tiger 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:43.919 is just like the really resiliency to make cuts. And 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.360 it kind of makes me wonder about other guys that 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:50.040 are in their primes, at the peak of their powers, 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.320 that are missing cuts. And it's like this guy, I mean, 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:56.240 he's got like one and a half legs and he's 0:05:56.240 --> 0:05:59.400 out there making baking cuts and you know he's not 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.520 playing again tournament golf outside of that. And then at 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.400 Southern Hills, i mean, the weather turned and it just 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:08.760 wasn't a real pretty third round scene, and you know, 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:13.200 it makes me wonder about this tournament, like, I you know, 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:15.840 part of me in my head this if this goes 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:20.200 for the Old Course and and Tiger is like, are 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.600 both of these courses kind of at the end of 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.640 their championship day, Like is Tiger and the Old Course 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.680 kind of coinciding at the end of their championship days, 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:33.719 Like if you know, nothing meaningful is done with equipment, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.599 it looks like there might be something done with equipment. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.080 We'll see what it is exactly, but you know, are 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:45.960 is Tiger's really major championship career? Could this this could 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.719 be the end? You never know at this point with 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.200 his body, it would be a fitting one hundred and 0:06:52.240 --> 0:06:55.160 fiftieth at Saint Andrew's place to say goodbye. 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.080 I don't think he will necessarily. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.520 This is all just speculation obviously, But then also like 0:07:01.560 --> 0:07:04.200 with the Old Course, like this is a place that 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.160 is a you know, it's a temple, it's a you know, 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:12.440 holy grail. It's one of the you know, greatest courses 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:15.920 of the world, maybe the greatest and you know, historic 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.720 championship courses in the world. And like you said, it's 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.200 the number of places they have to move teas to 0:07:23.720 --> 0:07:28.400 to fit championship golf in and the way that championship 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:30.880 golf has played there now is so far removed from 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.600 what it was. You know, the question is is it 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:36.880 still a great open venue? 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:41.440 Well, it's a great venue because the venue is more 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.480 than just the golf course. So is it a great 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:45.840 You know, the venue is the town, so it's it's 0:07:45.880 --> 0:07:49.760 the best venue. So is it the best course? And 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:52.880 does it offer a suitable test? Well, you know, there 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:54.640 are lots of short part falls out there now, are 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.840 lots of wet shots and only has two part fives, 0:07:57.880 --> 0:08:02.600 which is maybe maybe golf needs more part fires, because 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:05.960 maybe that's the only way to test a driving a 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:09.840 two on us to build more part fives. But you 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.800 know it's it's I think it's I would say reverse 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:16.360 it and say this is what this is the straw 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.280 that breaks the camel's back and forces there Ina to 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.400 do something about the ball. I think, you know, I 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:25.800 hope someone goes out there and shoots fifty eight and 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:28.640 makes a mockery of the golf course. I hope Bryson 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:32.320 drives it on the first hole and they can see 0:08:32.320 --> 0:08:36.160 the insanity of what they've allowed to get out of 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.720 the bag, you know, I mean, how they've let this 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:43.240 equipment get to this point when they I mean what 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.280 scared I think what scared them off was that was 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:50.920 we had this ridiculous argument about grooves in ping irons 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.560 essentially made no difference to certainly made no difference to 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:57.280 half other ball went, but that case spooked them so 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.440 much they just kept putting off and I were too 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:04.320 scared to band the driver head size that They've been 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.360 terrified by the threat of lawsuits from the ball manufacturers, 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:10.840 and they've just done nothing for this has been a 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:15.840 problem for twenty years now. But I think at some point. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:17.440 I think at some point they're going to have to 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:21.719 do something because you and America will see it more 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.080 than me because they are just because it's a numbers game. 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.080 But you know that there's a ten year old out 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.160 there and a twelve year old out there that's tomorrow's 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:33.559 four hundred yard driver unless they do something, because it's 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:38.320 not going to just stop going further. And I've long 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.559 argued that the freak in one generation, and that freak 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:45.360 now is who is it, Camon Champ, is that Nie 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:48.480 and Bauer? This African kid is at Bryce and they've 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.200 always been the norm. In the next generation that all, 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.120 they've always become the norm. So how does the game 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:58.880 manage a norm of three hundred and fifty oard average drives? 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:04.400 Can't it can't function or work on any course. And 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.800 Andrews or raw Melbourne or Carnusta or Augusta or no 0:10:07.960 --> 0:10:12.000 course can function when the scale is that far out? 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:13.840 How would you say? 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:13.880 What? 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:15.720 What hole out there? 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:19.319 Or A couple holes have changed the most with modern 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:22.800 technology from when you played it and opened, well. 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:28.080 They've moved the teas back so farther. The fourth is 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:32.000 I haven't played the fourths obviously since ninety five, so 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.000 for twenty five years, but it teas back so far 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:38.120 now that looks like such a long, incredibly difficult hole. 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:41.680 So I start on the team, go the hell do 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.400 you play this with less than a drive and a 0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:46.800 two one? But then you go play with kids and 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:48.840 you hit a good drive and they hit it eighty 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:50.880 yards further than you do, and you go, well, that's 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.040 how they play it. So it's hard to you know, 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.280 unless you're out there watching them playing in them and 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.000 seeing how they play it, it's hard to imagine how 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:02.880 difficult is that hole is going to be? What can 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.400 you do with holes like six and seven and you 0:11:06.400 --> 0:11:10.439 know nine and ten and twelve and sixteen and eight, 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:13.320 and you can't make them any longer. They're just drives 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:20.640 and pitches, drives and wedges. So yeah, it's unusual. If 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.800 you're building a golf course now, you would never build 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:26.520 as many short part fours as they build on the 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:33.439 old course. I mean one short, three, short, six, was short, seven, eight, nine, twelve, eighteen, sixteen, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.840 were all kind of short part fours. So no one 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:41.200 would compile a group of holes like that and put 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.480 them under one course now, no matter how great they are. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:48.520 So it's I'm convinced they're going to do something at 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.679 some point, They're going to do something about the ball 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:51.400 because they have to. 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:55.320 Yeah, you know, at some point something has to be addressed. 0:11:55.520 --> 0:11:58.640 What you know with regards to the with regards to 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:00.840 the golf course, and I know this is you know 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.160 what you consider the greatest golf course in the world 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.120 to be the greatest golf course in the world. 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.120 What's your what's your. 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.800 Favorite memory or the one you think about, like is 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.480 there a shot that you played in your majors there 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:17.120 that you think about the most over the years, Like, 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.160 is there a shot you remember the most? 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.400 Well? Two The first was the second hole in No. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.760 Eighty four I put I pulled the drive over in 0:12:25.800 --> 0:12:29.920 the bunk away on the left. And the first lesson 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.040 you should learn about links golf is if you're in 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.319 a bunker, get out, And it was kind of a 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.600 nice lie a lot of downslope, not that high a lip. 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.040 I can get there with a seven nine straight into 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:45.360 the face, nine nine straight in the face, Sam Way 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:49.000 jat sideways triple. So I remember that is you know, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.560 the first just get out, just cost you a shot, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:59.240 get out, and the second was playing with It was 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:03.599 a freak draw. The drawing nineteen ninety was supposed to 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:09.559 be Payne Stewart, Bernard Langer and Larry Nelson right before 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.160 the tourment like on Monday, Larry Nelson with drawers, and 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.839 I would I was the second qualifier. I'd played well 0:13:15.880 --> 0:13:17.600 that year on tour, so they stick. 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:20.040 Me in the in the group unbelievable. 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:24.439 So it's Stuart Langer, Clayton, what's going on here? It 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.959 was like ridiculous. So Bernard and I were Payne was 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:31.040 obviously playing well, we finished second that week. He was 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.440 playing well, Langer was not playing well. I was playing well. 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:39.480 So we were both one under, playing seventeen on Friday 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:42.280 and the cut was going to be even. So I thought, well, 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.000 I can make a bug in a part, It'll be fine. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.560 End of the wind three iron shot. I flew it 0:13:46.559 --> 0:13:49.679 into the bank at the front of the seventh green 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.559 and propped it and ran up to about fifteen feet. It 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.920 was like an amazing shot and Bernard did pretty much 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.320 the same thing. So we made fours there part of 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.800 the last and the cut finished up going to one 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.280 forty three. It was the first underpart whatever in a major. 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:05.640 I think that was kind of a cool shot. But yeah, 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.440 one good memory of one bad one, but it was 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:09.240 it was It was fun to play with those guys. 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:12.040 You kind of was a That was an unusual draw 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:13.200 for me and a major for sure. 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:16.960 Yeah, well, what was that like being in a major? 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:21.560 You know, it being we see it happen all the time, 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.000 where you know somebody wd's you get out of that group. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.080 Do you remember, like what was the difference in the 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.920 feel of a major at that And I'm sure, like 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:33.120 you know, you had events where you were in high 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.040 profile late Sunday pairings, but when it's a Major championship, 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:37.840 how's that different? 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:41.360 I remember? Really, I mean again, you just kind of 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.600 you're into what you're doing. I remember walking on the 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.120 first tee. I was with Squirrel who was cutting for me, 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:48.080 Squirrel who carted for Jeff Ogilvy when he won the 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.720 US Open. I walked on to the first tair looked 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:52.800 at but I said, you guys must be nervous playing 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.640 with mid today. But yeah, it was that were great 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:58.320 to play. I mean, Pain was that. It was. It 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.160 was a It was a really cool group to play with. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.480 Bernard was you know, there were two cool guys to 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.360 play with. It wasn't like that I felt out of 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:07.040 place or you know, they didn't treat me any differently 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:10.120 from they would have treated Larry Nelson. It was it 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.720 was just it was fun playing with him. And there's 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.920 always kind of you know, I don't know what it is, 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:20.200 but there's always more angie or more something around a 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.720 group like that, you know, partly because you don't want 0:15:22.720 --> 0:15:24.920 to make a fool of yourself, and you tried desperately 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.840 not to. I played decently enough that you know, I 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.960 walked off the last screen, and at least I didn't 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.480 think I was a complete hack. But it was fun 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:35.280 and Pain played. I remember how beautifully Paine played. He 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:38.000 was using that beat, that that way or Wilson Driver, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.280 and he played beautifully for two days the Wheel. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.280 I didn't think we were going to talk about the wheel, 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:47.520 but that's you know, old school, old school club that 0:15:47.680 --> 0:15:50.280 not everybody listening to this will be even be aware of. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.680 With Tiger, you know, we kind of breezed over what 0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:57.840 are your expectations? What do you expect out of Tiger 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:01.080 this week? You know, and I always preface this with 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.160 saying anything it does would surprise me. 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:05.200 But I'm curious what you what you think? 0:16:06.480 --> 0:16:08.840 No, well, Shack and I did a state of the 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.800 game played last week where I said, of course Tiger 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:14.440 can't win, and he said, well, why can't he win? You? Well, 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:19.600 you know, we've spent I mean, I thought in nineteen 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.320 ninety six, it was, you know, there's no way this 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.480 guy's going to make enough money to make a card 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:29.680 for nineteen ninety seven and of course Yah won twice, 0:16:29.720 --> 0:16:34.840 and so we've we've spent twenty years underestimating what he 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:38.520 could do and how great he was until he until 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:42.040 kind of s Andrew's and Pebble Bee Well, well, Augusta 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:45.320 in ninety seven, it was you know, that was the 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.600 first time. But once he'd done s Andrew's and Pebble 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:53.040 Beach in two thousand, you could never underestimate how great 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.440 he was and what he did. It's interesting to look 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:03.320 back at his career now, you know understand that we 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:06.000 lived through one of the you know the greatest eras 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.720 Ian the Jones era, the Nicolas era, the Hogan era 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.919 and Tiger and it was, you know, we're all lucky 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.600 to incredibly lucky to see him play and play. I 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.560 saw him play some inside the ropes a couple of times, 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:21.840 the last round at beth Page in two thousand and two, 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:26.359 the last two days at Hoylake, and the and the 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.440 singles at the at Royal Melbourne and the President's Cup, 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:33.320 and it was, you know, golf beyond belief. Really only 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:37.560 in my time only watching Sevy was close to being 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:38.000 as good. 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:43.879 Now for a quick word from our sponsor, Zero Restriction. 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:48.040 At this point, I am across the pond, I'm in Scotland, 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:49.520 and I am geared up. 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:51.880 I'm kidded out by Zero Restriction. 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.080 They make some of the best outerwear in the game, 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.880 but it's more than just the rain gear. Obviously, they've 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.760 been doing that forever. 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If 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.720 you go down the list like that, the average age 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:28.359 of winner is a lot older. So that's something with 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:33.320 with with us in an unprecedented youth cycle. That's something 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.880 that I would like to see, you know. Is something 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:38.280 I'm just watching, is are we gonna are we gonna 0:19:38.280 --> 0:19:41.960 get a guy that like bags his second major or 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:45.960 an unexpected you know, add on to a two time 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.439 major that's a little bit older in the in the 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.560 tooth like a you know that. That's something that I'm 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:52.480 watching this week. 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.560 Yeah, I mean, it always amazes me when I watch 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:58.720 Adam Scott play. It's like, why isn't he still He 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:01.879 always looks like he plays beautiful and he's played now 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.960 a bunch of opens. There's no reason why that course 0:20:04.960 --> 0:20:06.879 doesn't suit him. Is he the sort of old guy 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:08.720 who could jump up and have a great week and win? 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:13.760 And kel Nagle won the Open there in nineteen sixty 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:17.400 he was forty years old and one of the most 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.680 amazing stats ever in golf that no one ever let 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:22.760 him know about, let alone talk about it. It was 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:25.080 the fifth major he ever played, and he was forty 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:29.240 years old and he won the Open. So whilst he 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.520 was old, he was he had he was young in 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.280 golf terms in terms of and he was he top 0:20:35.359 --> 0:20:38.199 tender pretty much through the sixties in the open. 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.600 Well, yeah, you just could see, you could see, you know, 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:46.880 somebody just popping a win and it wouldn't be a surprise, right. 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:52.159 There's so many great guys, great players, long jevity type 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:56.400 players in their like late thirties, early forties, Adam Scott, 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.200 you know, you've got Justin Rose, who's been playing good 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.680 golf lately. You've got you know, I don't think Sergio 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:05.840 is gonna do it. He hasn't done much of anything 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:08.640 since he won the Masters. But you look at that 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.560 that age group of players. Even you know Mark Leishman, 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:16.879 he's not exactly old, but he's older, you know, and 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.680 has played well at the at the at at C 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.800 and Andrews almost one in twenty fifteen. 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.600 Yep, no doubt. I mean Louis, I mean Louis got 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:27.120 I guess he got a little lucky with the draw, 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:30.280 but I mean he still plays beautifully. And you know, 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:34.679 there are as always it's the it's the course that 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:39.040 throws up the most number of possible guys who can win, 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.400 really because there are so many different ways to play it. 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:46.480 And you know, Pennet Thompson's view in nineteen ninety five 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:48.720 was he told me on Wednesday, he said, John Dai 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:50.679 will win here because you'll hit us, said it over everything, 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:52.919 and he did. And Day's record in the open to 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.920 that point was terrible. But he found a course where 0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:57.720 he could hit it over everything, and he hit it 0:21:57.760 --> 0:22:01.679 over everything and beat Rocker and Michael Campbell. So so 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:04.280 there was that. You know, you look at Rocker, Campbell 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:10.720 and Daily and Leishman, Johnson and Louis. There were you know, 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.680 six guys you finished up, you know, threatening to win 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:17.879 and playing off and opening and they're kind of wildly 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:21.200 different games. And you know, at that point they weren't 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:23.639 the best players in the world, but they they played 0:22:23.640 --> 0:22:26.439 great golf and during the week. So it's you know, 0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:28.480 it's a we'll see. 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.000 So what's your what's your third thing? 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:37.280 Well? I think this is because I saw it because 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:42.400 he posted it decade How decade works there, Scott force 0:22:42.440 --> 0:22:46.159 it because this is the ldimate disrupted this course for 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:51.440 you know, the mathematical formula of playing golf courses, and 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.040 it's you know, at seven, you know, he put up 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:59.040 a picture of seventeen which was take driver and at 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:03.159 sixty two yards White it's too eighty and sixty two 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.199 yards white, take a driver and aim it here. So, 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:11.280 you know, as much as I detest the fact that 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.399 you can distill golf down to a mathematical formula, I 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.439 kind of understand that on most courses you can. And 0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:21.399 this is the ultimate disruptor, this golf course for his system. 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.639 But a lot of interesting to see how it works 0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.040 and how I mean, you probably won't know how many 0:23:26.040 --> 0:23:28.199 guys are using it, but you know Zella Taurus is 0:23:29.000 --> 0:23:32.320 and you know Bryson probably is what Bryson is. So 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:36.800 it's interesting to see how that plays out, how that 0:23:36.800 --> 0:23:41.760 that formula. You know, can you play St Andrews in 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:48.879 a formula way with a computer and a Google map 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.840 and a protractor and hes you play the golf course? 0:23:52.920 --> 0:23:54.400 Does it work? Yeah? 0:23:55.080 --> 0:23:57.439 I think one of the things that I'm curious about 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:01.560 is the firmness of the turf and what that does. 0:24:01.600 --> 0:24:01.840 You know. 0:24:01.960 --> 0:24:07.800 Obviously, I remember with decade with the USAM abandoned. You know, 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:11.480 I think he I think Scott Faucet send a tweet 0:24:11.480 --> 0:24:14.399 out it was like this is a driver everywhere of course, 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.480 like or something along those lines. You're gonna hit driver 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:20.240 everywhere and then I was watching the Usam and it 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:24.159 was irons everywhere because the firmness of the turf and 0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:27.680 the way that ball just runs, you know, And that 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:32.160 will be the interesting aspect of like you know, mathematically, 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:34.440 when you look at it, it's like, Okay, I can't 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:36.800 hit my driver this far. But we've seen in so 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:40.520 many opens guys reached bunkers that they didn't think they 0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:43.840 could ever get to in very crucial spots like the 0:24:43.880 --> 0:24:47.119 seventy second hole of an open, where they hit you know, 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.119 they're just pumped up and the turf's running and the 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:52.119 ball gets to a bunker they never thought in a 0:24:52.119 --> 0:24:53.440 million years that they would reach. 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:53.959 You know. 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:56.879 That's the the I think the equalizer with links golf, 0:24:57.240 --> 0:25:00.679 along with the wind, you know, and what that to 0:25:01.040 --> 0:25:05.200 particularly young players, And you know that mathematical not hitting 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:09.440 different shapes of shots. Is this one stock kind of 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:11.080 shot type of mentality. 0:25:11.560 --> 0:25:13.280 Yeah, I just teed up and hit as far as 0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:17.119 you can. And it's in some ways it's such a 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.280 tempting place to do that because you can get so 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:24.200 close to so many greens. The ultimate case of I 0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:26.640 mean that bunker that Norman drove it into. It true 0:25:26.680 --> 0:25:28.960 in the playoff I played that week, the bunker was 0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:32.160 never a consideration. It wasn't remotely close to being in play. 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:37.480 And because no one almost no one walked back to 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:39.680 that tea, because that tea was so far back at true. 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.440 I mean Wayne Grady, who I stayed with that week, 0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:46.600 was in the playoff and as soon as Greg hit 0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:48.440 that drive, Calcu and I just said a great shot 0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:50.280 and we was walked off. It was just a great 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.800 drive and couldn't believe where it finished. It was just 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:57.080 beyond belief that that thing went into that bunker. So 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.159 you're right, that's the that's the you know, it's the 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:03.359 mystik of the links and why they're so interesting and 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:05.639 why they're you know, a bunker. That's you know, the 0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:08.080 Arni l story about those bunkers at Millford on the 0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:11.119 fifth hold that why the hell are they there? And 0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:12.960 then he comes around three days later and the things 0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:14.800 straight into the window. Now I know why they're there, 0:26:15.359 --> 0:26:20.399 you know. So it's no right. It's golf like no 0:26:20.480 --> 0:26:24.840 other golf. It's like tennis on a clay court, which 0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:28.359 I never understood until Paul Mcam, a great tennis player, 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.720 explain to me why clay court tennis was the equivalent 0:26:31.760 --> 0:26:34.400 of links golf, why it was so much more nuanced 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.520 than hard court tennis or grass court tennis, and why 0:26:37.520 --> 0:26:40.040 it was the most interesting and the best form of 0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:44.240 the game. And he drew that straight parallel between clay 0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.840 court tennis and lynx golf, which you kind of wouldn't 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.600 think that, but he said, you know, you really find 0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:52.560 that who can play when you watch people playing a 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:54.480 clay court, and you really find that who can play 0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:56.160 when you watch people player on the links golf course. 0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:00.320 I think, you know what thin I'll parlay off this. 0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:03.960 One of my things is I've got will zel Torris 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:07.359 along with Rory Baceleroy. These both these guys have three 0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:11.239 top tens and all three majors. Zel Torus obviously has 0:27:11.280 --> 0:27:13.600 been extraordinarily close to the last two. 0:27:15.160 --> 0:27:18.480 I think I watched a ton of him. 0:27:18.359 --> 0:27:23.280 At at the the country Club, and I did. I mean, 0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:27.280 I think in terms of young talent, he's got the 0:27:27.320 --> 0:27:30.000 widest array of shots from Teter Green. I think, I 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:35.399 just I'm so impressed with his with his striking, you know, 0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:39.879 the the the iron play that like of all the 0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:42.520 young players, I feel like, if it gets really windy, 0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.720 he's the guy that I actually like a lot because 0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:48.919 of the way he can control his trajectories and and 0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:52.000 different things. And obviously I think some of that, you know, 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.959 I don't know how you agree if you agree with this, 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.320 but the other thing with wind when it's windy, short 0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:01.639 game kind of becomes important, and that could be you know, 0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:05.200 a spot where like a guy like Scheffler thrives. But 0:28:05.840 --> 0:28:08.359 the you know, the other thing with Rory on this 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.320 point of the three top ten guys is I, you know, 0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.280 I feel like Rory was really in the crux of 0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:19.880 the live stuff the last two majors, between the PGA 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.560 and the US Open. I mean, there was very peak 0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:27.639 peak live and things have started to play out a 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.200 little bit more. I think there's less pressure there. 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:31.400 But also. 0:28:32.720 --> 0:28:35.040 I just don't think he's in the same position that 0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:38.080 he's in at the Masters and this and and I 0:28:38.120 --> 0:28:41.600 don't know, something about this year, the way he's played 0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.240 and it being the one hundred and fiftieth at Saint 0:28:44.280 --> 0:28:48.520 Andrews like makes me think that we're gonna get an 0:28:48.600 --> 0:28:51.880 all time winner, you know, just something you know, maybe 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.719 it's the romantic of me, but like it feels like 0:28:54.880 --> 0:28:58.600 a Rory Maceleroy win would be just apropos this. 0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.520 Week, and he's when we were talking about the five 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:04.080 things you you know, were that have going on interest 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:07.560 us this week. Rory's really almost at the top of 0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:11.760 the list with Tiger. What's What's I mean? I watched him. 0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:13.440 I haven't seen him play much. I've seen him pay. 0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:16.360 I saw him playing Australia. In fact, he played, he 0:29:16.400 --> 0:29:17.840 played in the open when he was a kid, he 0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:21.160 straight open when he was sixteen. But I watched him play. 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.680 He was here in the twenty and forty or fifteen mile, 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:27.200 I can't remember. In fact he won, he buried the 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.160 last and Adam Bogan it and he beat him by shot. 0:29:30.440 --> 0:29:33.160 I was a standard of how good he was, and 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.760 he was he won four majors at that point, I think, 0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:41.480 and it's beyond belief that he hasn't won one since. 0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:46.239 How's that possible? And you know, and we watch him 0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:48.280 play and it's like, how's he going to mess this 0:29:48.320 --> 0:29:52.640 one up? And surely you can't keep not winning if 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:54.640 he was as good as that, and you put yourself 0:29:54.640 --> 0:29:56.720 in that position. I mean, he seems like he's gotten 0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:00.840 around playing that miserable first round and taking himself out 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.440 of it on Thursday. He's played some great opening rounds 0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:07.160 the last couple of Majors, So I just kind of 0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:10.800 imagine that Roy McRoy finished his career with four Majors 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:12.840 and not not. I mean I would bet on eight. 0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:15.240 So I just think he's that good a player. But 0:30:16.520 --> 0:30:19.960 you know how as each one, as each subsequent year 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.040 and major goes on without him winning, won't it's gotta 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:23.959 be tough for him. 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:26.840 Well that's the thing too. It's just the pressure that 0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.160 adds with every miss, you know, and every close call. 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.400 And I think, you know, like everybody was writing there, 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.760 like you know, everybody kind of talked about how the 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.840 Masters was such a big deal for him, finishing second 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:43.160 and walking away happy like he couldn't have walked away 0:30:43.240 --> 0:30:45.120 happy coming in his side, like you know, you know, 0:30:45.480 --> 0:30:48.560 like that when you're that elite of a player, like 0:30:48.840 --> 0:30:51.080 I know he said he was happy, like he's shot 0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:52.000 his best rounde ever. 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:53.440 But it was all that. 0:30:53.680 --> 0:30:55.800 It's always all the other things that you know, you 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.480 think about. You get done with a four round tournament, 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.600 and you know, you remember every little micro moment and 0:31:03.760 --> 0:31:07.000 every time you just you gave one away. And I 0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.880 think That's been the big thing with with Rory over 0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:14.120 the years is just the his game just doesn't seem 0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:17.480 quite as tidy as others in majors. And there's the 0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:21.760 there's these lapses and these three whole stretches. And but 0:31:22.280 --> 0:31:25.200 that being said, I do think he's playing as good 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:27.400 of golf as he's played in a very long time. 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.880 You know, he's he's you know, he's had some runs 0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:33.080 of great golf and this year has been one of 0:31:33.200 --> 0:31:36.600 those runs. And and it just it seems like the moment, 0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:38.400 like if I was going to pick it out right 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.760 winner this week, I might pick I think I've gonna 0:31:40.760 --> 0:31:41.360 pick Rory. 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:43.280 I'm gonna have to pick. 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:45.480 Somebody different for like by one and done zem in, 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:47.160 but because I've already taken him. 0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.360 But like I like Rory this week. 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.800 Yeah, and he played what he played. He got caught 0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:54.880 in the wind. That was it. They opened Louis One 0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.080 where he shot sixty three the first round and then 0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:58.960 got the horrible start of the draw and shut a 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:02.040 shot a high seventies in the second day and finished 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.960 up you know, that far behind. But it was only 0:32:05.040 --> 0:32:07.440 that one day that Yeah, I mean, I just you know, 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:09.640 he's I mean his thing always looks great to me 0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.200 when you watch him play in Canada and you think, well, 0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:13.760 of course he's the best part in the world. But 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:14.960 if it was the best parande in the world, he 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:17.640 would have won one major in eight years, wouldn't he. 0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:20.360 So that's why it's why it's such a fascinating game. 0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:22.920 You know, that's a that's a conundrum of the gun. 0:32:23.040 --> 0:32:26.280 I how can when when when Tom Watson walked off 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:31.320 the eighteenth Green in nineteen eighty three, and you know, 0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:34.000 if someone had said that's the last major he's going 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:36.440 to win, you would have been what are you talking about? 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.040 Because he's the best part in the world. He's thirty 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.280 four years old. Same with Arnold Palmer in nine to 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.360 sixty four Augusta. It was inconceivable that was going to 0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:47.239 be the last major he was going to win, as 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:50.520 it would be inconceivable that the PGA that Rory won 0:32:50.600 --> 0:32:53.200 at Valhalla was you know, if someone said, if someone 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.160 when he walked up that green said in the dark, 0:32:56.520 --> 0:32:58.080 that's going to be the last major that guy's going 0:32:58.120 --> 0:33:00.800 to win, it's like, well, you completely crazy, of course 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:01.040 it's not. 0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.400 I mean that's the thing too, that's the kind of. 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.800 I think one of the the fallacies that we fall 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.720 into every time we get a guy that wins one, 0:33:11.040 --> 0:33:15.320 you know, John Rahm at last year's US Open, it's like, well, like, 0:33:15.440 --> 0:33:19.000 could this guy win five majors? Like is the media thing? 0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:21.720 And it's, you know, it's hard to win two majors. 0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:23.920 It's there are a lot of great players that don't 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.760 get two majors. There are a lot of generational talents 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.960 that get to like, look at Dustin Johnson and his 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.400 career at majors, How's that guy only have two? You know, 0:33:33.920 --> 0:33:35.880 like it feels like he should have five or six 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:39.160 and he only has two? And will he ever get 0:33:39.160 --> 0:33:41.520 another one? I don't, you know, I don't think he will. 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.800 I mean, how does Fred Couples have one? How did 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:49.600 Fred Couples, Hell Sutton, John Bobby Klamp at Marco Amira 0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:56.880 have three between them? I mean it's beyond imagination that. 0:33:57.120 --> 0:34:00.640 I mean, my contemporaries that were the best colleges plays 0:34:00.640 --> 0:34:02.960 in America when I was growing up, And how is 0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:06.080 that possible? As good as they were, and Sevi and 0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:07.800 Felder finished up with eleven between them. 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.160 It's so hard to win majors. And I think it 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:14.520 gets harder when you go through these lapses, when you 0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.560 have the droughts like once once in your mind, like 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:22.560 I it's one of those things you want the young talents, 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.239 you want them to pick one off early, because then 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.520 if they don't pick one off early, it's all of 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:30.359 a sudden you start to get worried that it may 0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:33.480 never happen because of the scar tissue that comes from 0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.120 coming close and falling up and falling short so often. 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.960 Because you know, when you think about golfers, is like, 0:34:41.160 --> 0:34:43.480 there aren't a lot of golfers that have more than 0:34:43.520 --> 0:34:47.000 a ten year window of really good golf. For most guys, 0:34:47.080 --> 0:34:50.560 it's five years, like you know that of really great golf. 0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.439 And you know they're the people, the players with more 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:58.120 of more than that window. They're they're just generational players. 0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:02.759 You know, yep, doubt it's a golf Tourments are hard 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:05.600 to win. They're really hard to win. You know, it's 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:07.400 easy to sit back and say you should have done it. 0:35:07.680 --> 0:35:10.640 It's like comes down to that when you've got to 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.359 get it done, which shows how it only shows how 0:35:13.440 --> 0:35:18.440 great the great guys were. Tiger the obvious One, Tiger Jones, 0:35:18.520 --> 0:35:23.120 Hogan Nicholas, you know, shows how great that they could 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.680 just pick them off and in a part, in part 0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:28.840 they picked them off because they knew that that was 0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:30.600 what was going to happen to the other guys, and 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:31.520 very often it did. 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.399 So we both I think we both dispensed of four. 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.040 I'm guessing that we probably share a fifth here. We've 0:35:40.200 --> 0:35:44.360 we've shared almost all five. We didn't talk about these before, okay, 0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:49.440 and uh, I'm guessing live is on your list? Is 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.239 the fifth one? The Lift Tour and the PGA Tour 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.239 and and what might happened that week or do you? 0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:56.560 Did you keep it off? 0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:00.360 I know I kept it off. I'm so over it. 0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:03.440 I just I think history will in ten years will 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.799 know how it's played out. I don't think anyone has 0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:09.040 any idea how it's going to play out. That is 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:12.600 what it is. I don't know. I don't think. I 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.799 don't history's going to I think there'll be a whole 0:36:15.800 --> 0:36:19.320 lot of unintended consequences. Hopefully one of them is the 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:22.800 PGA tour gets out of November and December, unlets the 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.160 rest of the world have some time to play their 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.719 own torments in their own countries without destroying the mean 0:36:27.760 --> 0:36:30.080 the Australian Tour has been destroyed by the wrap around tour, 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:34.600 and not entirely that, but the fact that Leishman and 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:39.759 Smith and Cam Davis and our best players are kept 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:43.600 behind after school to play because they want to get 0:36:43.640 --> 0:36:45.400 off to a good start the following year's kept them 0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:48.000 out of playing in Australia and it's just trashed out tour, 0:36:48.880 --> 0:36:52.480 you know. So if one of the unintended consequences is 0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.480 the PGA Tour gets out of November December, that'll be 0:36:55.520 --> 0:37:00.320 a great thing. And I've long argued, because I was 0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:04.120 a disciple of pretty much everything Peter Thompson ever thought 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:07.279 and wrote, was that this should be a great tour 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:09.800 outside of the United States, and that was what he 0:37:10.000 --> 0:37:15.400 tried to start. My bitch with Greg is that Greg's 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:20.040 twice now done it for the benefit of Greg and 0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:25.120 what Greg's thinks should happen. Peter was doing it to 0:37:25.239 --> 0:37:29.520 try and create jobs for players outside of the United States, 0:37:29.560 --> 0:37:32.759 and he started the Asian Tour basically, he skipped the 0:37:32.880 --> 0:37:35.440 US Masters one year to play the Indian Open. He 0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:38.359 played the European Tour, the Japan Tour, the Australian Tour, 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:42.120 and the Asian Tour primarily as the best non American 0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:46.759 player for fifteen years and brought those tours to life 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:49.680 really because he and Colnaga were the big stars in 0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:53.640 Australia and they know they've created those tours, and golf 0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:56.320 outside of the United States went otherwise, who knows what 0:37:56.360 --> 0:37:59.759 would have happened. So the best thing that could happen 0:37:59.840 --> 0:38:02.880 for the game would be a great World Tour. You know. 0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:07.640 Everyone's argument is the source of the money and the 0:38:07.760 --> 0:38:10.120 number of players that are playing it. If you're gonna 0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.440 have a great world too, I can't be forty eight players. 0:38:12.920 --> 0:38:14.480 It has to be one hundred and fifty players. 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:20.080 That's I mean, I think that's a wonderful I think 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.840 that's one of the holes of of live is obviously 0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:26.160 the small player field. Like if the bigger you know, 0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:28.640 I think they have to have a feeder tour, they 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:31.000 have to have a lot of movement up because otherwise 0:38:31.040 --> 0:38:33.440 you'll just get guys up there that are that are 0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:36.839 dead weight, like you know, you nobody would want to see, 0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:40.720 you know, two years play out of a guy losing 0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.120 his game, you know, and just being at the bottom 0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.200 of every leaderboard every week and wondering why he's there. 0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.319 But I think one of the bigger things with Live 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.800 this week is is just like, is this the is 0:38:52.880 --> 0:38:55.279 this the last normal major championship? 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:55.960 Really? Right? 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:56.440 Like? 0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.440 What what are exemptions going to look like next year? 0:38:59.600 --> 0:39:02.360 With a World Golf rankings and everything? Like, you know 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:04.400 a lot of guys that were used to seeing the 0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.279 majors might not be exempt into majors next year. 0:39:08.760 --> 0:39:11.000 Yeah, because yes, So the biggest question, one of the 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:13.960 biggest questions is do they give them the the World 0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:18.840 Golf rankings give them points. So if they don't clearly 0:39:18.920 --> 0:39:22.360 the guys who are not otherwise exempt, like DJ's exempt 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:26.120 obviously for a bunch of years and Bryson, I guess, 0:39:26.200 --> 0:39:29.799 but Kopka. But the guys who are just what once 0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:31.840 they're top once out of the top fifty, how do 0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:34.520 they get back in? You know, that's the question. But 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.040 Rory and Rory hinted at it. But at some point 0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.680 is there a compromise and that everyone kisses and makes 0:39:41.719 --> 0:39:44.600 up and who knows? I mean, that's why it's so interesting. 0:39:44.840 --> 0:39:47.440 I think, So what's your what's your fifth thing? 0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:52.200 If I was an Australian, it would be on a 0:39:52.280 --> 0:39:56.040 whole heart did the Australians play because they've always there's 0:39:56.080 --> 0:39:59.120 always generally been an Australian in there with a shot 0:39:59.160 --> 0:40:01.960 to win. So which one of them is it? So 0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:04.320 that's purely out of self interest. But you know, cam Smith, 0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:08.160 Scott Leishman, we've got a bunch of guys playing this. 0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:12.879 I should know Matt Griffin who qualified from Asia. Sorry 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:16.240 a torment no, no, no, the vic Open, the Victorian 0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.680 Open here got three spots, which was kind of bizarre 0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:22.520 because because we didn't play in the Australian Open last year, 0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:25.239 so they gave those spots of the Victorian Open. So 0:40:25.360 --> 0:40:27.520 Matt's from Melbourne, a friend of mine, so he's playing. So, 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:30.640 you know, from a purely selfish point of view, my 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.279 interest is in how the Australians play that. 0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:36.359 Camp Smith I think one of the most more fun 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.439 you know, top ten players in the world to watch. 0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.800 You know that he gets it done differently. He's obviously 0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:45.160 added a ton of distance, he's gotten so much better 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:48.520 with the with the striking, but that that that short game, 0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.080 you got to think, with the firm conditions, tight turf, 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.040 that's a that's a good spot for camp Smith. 0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:59.920 Yeah, yeah, he's a remarkable. I saw him when the 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:02.680 Straien Amateur. He was five down after fourteen holes in 0:41:02.680 --> 0:41:05.240 the morning, and you know, the kidd he was playing 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:07.439 looks so much better, hit the ball, further, better swing, 0:41:07.640 --> 0:41:11.759 just look And wasn't that impressive because we only watched 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:15.040 him for fourteen holes and to go five down by 0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:17.120 the time he walked off the sixteenth green in the 0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:21.080 afternoon winning three and two. When you kind of pulled 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.560 apart how he played, it was incredibly impressive. It just 0:41:23.600 --> 0:41:26.520 didn't look that impressive. And he's just been the same 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.439 way his whole career. He just doesn't he doesn't look 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.280 like Rory or Kepka, or he just doesn't look obviously 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:37.120 Greg Norman or se doesn't look obviously impressive. But if 0:41:37.160 --> 0:41:40.040 you really watch him play and study how he plays, 0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:42.600 he's incredibly impressive and he keeps doing it. 0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:45.600 So who's your pick to win? 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:49.480 I think Rory? I mean, I mean, but I always 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:52.920 picked Rory because I just because he always looks like 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:55.040 the best player to me, and it's always like, surely 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:58.080 this is you know, surely this is going to be 0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.600 the one, and I think we're all guessing it. It was. 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:05.919 It was much easier in the seventies. This is sound 0:42:06.000 --> 0:42:08.440 like an old bitching guy here, but it was much 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:14.080 easier in the seventies when the Open pretty much identified 0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:16.880 the best player in the world every year because it 0:42:17.000 --> 0:42:19.239 was Simon and Balada and still and it was hard 0:42:19.280 --> 0:42:21.399 to play in the wind and only the very best 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:23.799 players won. Wis Golf was the best player in seventy three. 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.359 Jack was always the best player, so he was always there. 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:31.560 Treno was playing the best golf in seventy one. Miller 0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:35.200 was coming at the end of that amazing US Open 0:42:35.320 --> 0:42:38.200 seventy three, four, five, seventy six, but he was the 0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:42.440 best player in seventy six. And you know, so if 0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:44.839 you're picking the best who, I mean, who's the best 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:46.440 player in the world, now, it has to be Ry 0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:48.719 He always I mean, Chef was number one, but he's 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:50.319 he the best player in the world. I mean, I mean, 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:54.080 I know you you watched him play it Brooklyn and said, 0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:57.560 it just doesn't look that the ball comes off his club. 0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:01.080 It's just not that impressive, Right, I'm gonna have a 0:43:01.120 --> 0:43:03.959 sitting play on TV. It's like, how's this got How's 0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:05.920 this got the best part in the world? But is. 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:07.719 That's it? 0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:07.960 You know. 0:43:08.120 --> 0:43:10.360 I said that, and then somebody was telling me. 0:43:10.960 --> 0:43:13.320 Somebody was telling me that it's because he uses Tailor 0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:17.080 Made clubs, that that that's the sound. But I when 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:19.560 I listened to somebody else playing Tailor Made clubs, it 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:20.560 doesn't sound like that. 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:22.840 It just like it's this weird. 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.680 It sounds like he hits them fat, almost like it's 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:28.440 like fat and clunky, and then it ends up like 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:31.480 four feet away from two twenty and you're like, wait, 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:34.879 like is that really like it's funny. I got text 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:39.279 from some other some caddies around the tour that were like, dude, 0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:41.800 I totally know what you're talking about. Like, you know, 0:43:42.239 --> 0:43:44.279 you hear him hit the ball and it's like you 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.640 think he like toe hooked it into the into the 0:43:47.840 --> 0:43:50.719 junk and it ends up ten feet and you're like, wait, 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:53.680 how did that? But yeah, I you know, if I 0:43:53.840 --> 0:43:58.160 was gonna say who's I think Justin Thomas impresses me 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:03.080 the most. Justin Tom and I would say I think 0:44:03.239 --> 0:44:08.439 Xalataurus outside of putting, really impresses me too. Like those 0:44:08.520 --> 0:44:11.200 two guys I think are on a different level when 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:14.800 it comes to their shot making capabilities in terms of 0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:21.359 being able to really control distance, height, shape, everything. They 0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:23.120 got all the shots in their bag. 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:27.759 Yeah, of course if you don't, Yeah, you've got to 0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:30.359 see them play to see what they're like. I watched 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:32.640 Bobby klamp I played, I played with Clamper down here 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.360 in nineteen eighty one, and he was they kind of 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:39.040 some I've never seen xalators play, but in some ways 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.360 they seem like the same player. I watched clamp A 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:43.759 play Naty one. I mean, he was a flusher. He 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:48.080 just crashed it, beautiful player. He was gonna be there, 0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:51.359 you know, he was going to be an unbelievable start. Yeah, 0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:54.640 and you know it went away. But you know they 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.719 almost you know, kind of thin Californian kids, blonde hair, 0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:02.439 great hitters. So as bad as Zlato's short punting struck looks. 0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:03.560 You haven't missed that many, does he? 0:45:04.400 --> 0:45:05.920 No, No, not anymore. 0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:08.719 I mean I think I think one of the other 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:12.160 things I really like about Xalatorus is is his swagger. 0:45:12.600 --> 0:45:16.279 You know, like he he when you see you see him, 0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:19.600 the way he moves, the way the way he reacts 0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:23.080 like it doesn't he never gets too high or too low, 0:45:23.480 --> 0:45:27.200 and and it just he's got you know, he honestly 0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:32.320 has that that cocky, that quiet cockiness, that arrogance that 0:45:32.520 --> 0:45:35.400 so many great players have, like where where they know 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.719 they're better than the guys they're playing with, but they 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:41.080 don't they don't say it, but you can tell when 0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.200 they the way they move around that they are better players. 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:48.440 Like it's just you know, like you see, you're hard 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:51.000 to talk to you because you were, you know, growing up, 0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:53.120 you were probably one of the better players always. But 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.040 you know, he reminds me of when you're in junior 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:59.600 golf and you knew, like the great, the great player 0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:04.200 in the date is on the putting green and just 0:46:04.280 --> 0:46:07.320 the way they move around to putting green versus everybody 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:09.720 else on the putting green. And I think xel Taurus 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:13.440 kind of has that mojo about him where he knows. 0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:17.920 He talked about how he believes at Brookline, how he 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:20.880 believes he belongs there. I kind of read into that 0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.880 as him saying, I know I'm better than most guys 0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:24.319 out here. 0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:28.480 Yeah, And it's just when you're that, you know, the 0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:33.680 evidence is there. You watch the shots you hit, and 0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:36.680 you watch the other shot, the shots the other guys hit, 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:40.480 and you can just see that you're better that was it. 0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.520 Bobby Jonesy's was it? Giants said that it's always good 0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:48.800 to have a song or unsaid contempt for the ability 0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:53.080 of the other man, you know, and I mean Sevee 0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:56.640 was like that because Sevi could Greg. They knew that 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.000 were better because they could they could see the shots 0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:00.640 they could hit that the other guy couldn't hit. 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:02.879 That's why the majors are the most fun. 0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:08.520 Yeah, yeah, and it's why that it's why the game 0:47:08.560 --> 0:47:12.480 would be better if it went to better courses more often. 0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.160 You know, you know, we can see how much better 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:19.640 the golf was it, you know, Augusta, Southern Hills, the 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:23.640 country Club and presumably the old course. You know how 0:47:23.960 --> 0:47:26.719 how great the golf is because because the stage is 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:30.080 so great. You know, you go to the average PGA 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:34.120 tour course or the Mount Juliet and go, okay, you know, 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:36.319 it's just it's a place to play golf and it's 0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:40.160 a nice golf course, but it's not really doing it. 0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:44.040 But we're preaching to the choir here. But you know, 0:47:44.360 --> 0:47:46.880 you watch Tiger play at Roy Melbourne in the President's 0:47:46.880 --> 0:47:49.960 Cup when Tiger was old at twenty nineteen Presidents Cup, 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:52.840 and he wasn't playing much golf at the time, and 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:55.960 he was clearly the best player there because because the 0:47:56.080 --> 0:47:59.520 course showed off the things that he could do that 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:03.880 the other guys couldn't. That's why you need the great stage, 0:48:04.280 --> 0:48:07.600 and that's why golf needs to stop playing down the 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.200 motorway for twenty five million dollars and ten million dollars, 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:12.880 needs to start going to better golf courses, and it 0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.480 needs to start regulating the equipment so he can go 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.759 back to better golf courses and they're relevant again, you know. 0:48:19.880 --> 0:48:23.239 So they're that that along with so the equipment and 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:27.960 the architecture and live and the compromise that we've got 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:30.799 to make, all the compromise that the game is going 0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:33.719 to have to make to manage those three things are 0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:36.919 the most important questions of the next ten years, really, 0:48:38.680 --> 0:48:40.479 and it's going to take people with a high golf 0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:46.080 IQ to manage it. Not manufacturers and not administrators, but 0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:50.279 you know, administrators listening to people with high golf I 0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:53.120 cues as to why this needs to be controlled. And 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:55.880 someone needs to tell the PGA too, why they need 0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:58.200 to go to better golf courses and not just the 0:48:58.280 --> 0:49:02.360 same formula thing week afterward week because I don't know 0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:04.839 about you, but so many of my friends just say, 0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:07.279 I just don't watch golf anymore. I'm not over. I'm 0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:09.840 so bored with it. When's it interesting anymore? 0:49:10.440 --> 0:49:10.640 Yeah? 0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:13.399 I think, I mean, I think that's the that's kind 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:15.440 of where it's headed when it when it becomes so 0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:18.440 homogenized and you know, every week is the same on 0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:20.880 the PGA tour. I think that's the kind of the 0:49:21.880 --> 0:49:25.160 that's what they've you know, they tried to add all 0:49:25.239 --> 0:49:28.000 this and they thought, oh, make it uniform would be 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.360 a good thing. But reality, what they were doing is 0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:33.200 stripping away the history and and the quirk and the 0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:36.680 the neat things about a week in, week out stops 0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:39.799 on tour and and that's where they find themselves now 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:43.440 with you know, a huge competitive threat. And and as 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:46.200 you said, I I can't add anything more to that. 0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:49.560 That was a beautiful closing statement. That's the great Mike Clayton. 0:49:50.840 --> 0:49:53.480 Thank you so much for coving on and UH and 0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:57.640 talking about the the old course and the open and UH. 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:00.480 And we people can find you on to Twitter and 0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:01.400 on Instagram. 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:02.040 Uh. 0:50:02.480 --> 0:50:07.680 Your you're writing is on Golf Australia, UH mostly and uh, 0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:10.680 you know, just all time, all time golf mind. 0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:14.799 You're one of the golf mines that that the administrator should. 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:16.360 Be talking to I should be. 0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:30.320 Thank you for listening to another edition of the Friday 0:50:30.440 --> 0:50:33.440 podcast that was our preview for the Open Championship. 0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:34.959 Early this week. 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:39.239 For the Open, I've got a special episode. I think 0:50:39.280 --> 0:50:41.560 it'll be really neat. 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