WEBVTT - Ep 23: BANKS 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:16.200 Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats. 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:26.040 This is episode twenty three of Midnight Chats. Welcome and 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:28.840 thank you for listening, and thanks too to those who 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.760 checked out. Samuel t Herring from Future Island speaking to 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.800 Stuart on the last podcast. If you haven't heard it yet, 0:00:34.920 --> 0:00:37.080 I do recommend going back and listening. He was a 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.879 really entertaining, engaging, honest guy. And while you're there, if 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.080 you do listen to that one and you do like 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:45.559 what you're hear on Midnight Chats, you can subscribe to 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:49.559 our podcast. That means you'll automatically get a new episode, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:51.479 a new one of these every time. We publish one 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.720 at midnight every two weeks, so onto this new one. 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.360 Last week I went to the meetup with Gillian Banks, 0:00:58.680 --> 0:01:02.080 better known by her stage Banks, in a London hotel 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.800 room before her show at the Roundhouse in Camden. It 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:10.240 was a final night of the Californian artist's headline European tour. 0:01:10.640 --> 0:01:13.120 It was the first one she's done since she released 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.600 her second album, The Alta in the autumn of last year. 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:21.920 And to be honest, Banks doesn't do a huge amount 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.640 of press and there's not an awful lot of information 0:01:26.440 --> 0:01:29.080 into these things like that out there with her. She's 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:34.479 quite private. She's quite an enigmatic artist, and we've wanted 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:36.400 to have her on Midnight Chatter for a while because 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:41.760 I think that's part of her appeal, in everything that 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.400 she kind of creates around the music that she makes. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.200 I suppose I went there hoping to find out a 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.400 bit more about Gillian Banks, and I let you be 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:52.560 the judge of whether that happened or not. So in person, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.600 Banks was really lovely, but she says to herself in 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.640 this conversation that you're about to hear that she's very 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.760 protective over her music and it comes from a very 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.440 deeply personal place. And it's something that you might hear 0:02:04.560 --> 0:02:07.960 artists say regularly that they prefer their music through the talking. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.240 But I think that's certainly the case with Banks. I 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:13.320 think that certainly had a preferences is to let the 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:16.639 songs that she's written really kind of speak for her. 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:20.200 After all, this is an artist who says she wrote 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:23.600 her first songs as a necessary form of escape. It 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.280 took her almost a decade before she'd actually go on 0:02:26.360 --> 0:02:28.799 to share them publicly. But we talked about a range 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.320 of things, like her visits to London to record her 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.240 early music and her memories of doing that, handling the 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.880 psychological effects often quite difficult to deal with the day 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.280 to day being out on the road touring. It's very 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:46.600 honest about that. How she feeds her inspiration to keep 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:51.200 making music, where she'd like to travel outside of the world, 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.600 tours that she does support in the music, and why 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:55.480 she'd never write a song and give it away to 0:02:55.520 --> 0:03:00.320 another artist. So, if you don't know Banks, this isn't 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:01.880 going to tell you everything you need to know about her, 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:03.840 but it might tell you a little bit more and 0:03:03.919 --> 0:03:07.360 hopefully this will be an interesting listen. This is Midnight 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:28.680 Chats Episode twenty three with Banks Banks. Hello, welcome to 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.919 Midnight Chats, Thanks for joining us, Thanks for having me. 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:35.360 You're back in London, which is I imagine a place 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.880 that you kind of have fond memories of, haven't been 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:39.880 here a number of times over the years, but also 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:43.920 recorded some of your first music I guests over here. 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:45.640 What's it like being back in town? 0:03:46.120 --> 0:03:50.440 Feels good. It's pretty emotional being that's the last, you know, 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.040 the last show of this tour, and this is the 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.520 first tour of this album, so it's been really intense 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.320 and a lot of growth and it feels good. I'm 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:03.840 very I feel I feel quite nervous for the show tonight, actually. 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:06.240 I really, even though you've been playing the set kind 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.200 of a couple of weeks now, right, Yeah. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.280 I sometimes I get like that though, Like I'll be 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:13.120 really good and then one random show I'll just feel 0:04:13.800 --> 0:04:16.120 a lot of anxiety over and then once I'm on stage, 0:04:16.160 --> 0:04:19.080 I'm good. But it's a crazy thing being on stage. 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:21.200 Can it happen kind of randomly? Or is it? Do 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:22.720 you think it's maybe something to do with being in 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.640 London and knowing the city and maybe having friends here. 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:26.800 Is it? Like what? 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.880 Maybe? I think my nerves are also dependent on my 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:34.960 exhaustion level, so like it's almost like the more tired 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:36.840 I am, the more sensitive I am, the more nervous 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.160 I get. So but I know that it'll be great. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.640 I'm you know, I'm just excited to be here. London 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.000 is definitely a special place for me. You know, my 0:04:44.080 --> 0:04:46.160 first EP was called London because I made the whole 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.240 thing here and it's kind of where my music was 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.679 first embraced. So I'm super excited for the show. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.880 What your memories are the first time that you came 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:56.520 to London. Was that was that when you actually came 0:04:56.560 --> 0:04:58.040 to do the recording aloud You've been previous. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:04:59.840 My first time I was in London was actually when 0:04:59.839 --> 0:05:01.599 I was a bit younger. I came with my mom, 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.359 but I was only here for like two or three days, 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.039 and you know, I was young, and I didn't really 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:10.039 get to I think, you know, when I wrote the 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.600 London EP, that was my first real time spending real 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.000 time here, and it was also a crazy time in 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.640 my life. I felt like it was like one of 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:21.920 those milestones that you think back on, is like one 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:25.160 of the the turning points where you go through a 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:27.159 lot of growth in a really short amount of time, 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.919 And that's what I was feeling just in my personal 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:32.719 life at that time. And then coming to London and 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.640 being around artists that thought the same way I did 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:40.040 for the first time was just like super crazy. I felt. 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.360 I felt like I found my people for the first 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.080 time in my life. So that's kind of what London 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.599 was to me, and that's why, you know, when I 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.279 come back, I get really excited. 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.520 Did it take time to kind of meet those people, 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:56.320 make those friends, or were you already kind of connected 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.080 to the people that you knew you sort of had 0:05:58.080 --> 0:05:59.479 a kindred spirit with over here. 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:07.120 It was kind of like these particular few months I 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:09.960 just happened. I think the universe was just looking out 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:13.680 for me. I happened to meet all these people that 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.240 I really connected with in a really short amount of time, 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.640 and they all happened to be in the UK at 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.440 the time, So it was kind of like I was like, Okay, 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.039 let's just make a trip and just like jam it 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:26.520 all in in two weeks, two and a half weeks, 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.159 and so I was like in sessions every day for 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.080 those two and a half weeks with those three people mainly, 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.279 and just back to back to back, and it was 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:36.680 just amazing. Yeah. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:39.520 Yeah, for those people that don't know that early EPU, 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.840 we're talking about people like totally enormous extinct dinosaur and 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.520 it's always a mouthful. I'm glad I got it right there, 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:51.400 and son who learn there as well, and Little Silver. Yeah, So, 0:06:51.640 --> 0:06:54.320 how how is it meeting those people for the first 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.800 time and what kind of connection you've got to have 0:06:58.000 --> 0:06:59.920 with somebody in order to make music with them, because 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.680 it's not as easy as just walking into a studio, No. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.599 No, you have it's special. It's like when it's like 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:09.200 kind of like dating almost, it's like two souls that 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:12.280 come together and you just it's funny because sometimes you 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.320 can really vibe with someone at one point in your 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:18.200 life and then a few years later it's like maybe 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:22.200 like our paths have like drifted or something like. It's 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.960 it's a really magical time when two creative like souls 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.680 can come together and create something together and be on 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.160 the same wavelength. It's kind of like you're at that 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.600 similar point in your life where it just works. And 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.080 that kind of happened with all those people and they're 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:41.120 dear to me still, and so yeah, it was awesome. 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.960 Deep question considering we've only just started, but do you 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:46.920 sort of believe that fate sort of had something to 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.440 do with that because you've been making music, you know, 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.080 for almost a decade, but not necessarily kind of sharing 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:54.160 it with the hour world, and like you said, those 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:58.440 sort of ingredients came together and you felt at ease 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:00.000 here in London to write that music. 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:02.800 I don't know if the word what the word fate 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.880 means even I think it was definitely it had to 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:10.600 do with me finally being open, like finally putting myself 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:16.080 out there and then it Yeah, I definitely think you know, 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.880 it takes a lot of hard work and a lot 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:21.840 of you have to have it, you know, you have 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:25.680 to like believe and know who you are as an artist. 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.120 But then it always takes a little bit of extra 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:30.040 fairy dust in the end. And I think that I 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.280 definitely had that with me. Yeah, and I still do 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:40.280 the fact that I'm still doing this, so yeah, I 0:08:40.280 --> 0:08:42.880 don't know fate something like that. Yeah, I felt like 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.880 the universe was definitely like pushing me in the right direction. 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:50.240 It's like I've always followed my gut. That's like the 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.440 most in my music comes from my gut. And then 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:55.080 I've always followed my gut, and especially in terms of 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.960 like making decisions for my career and who I feel 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:02.480 like working with and who and just any decision that 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:09.240 I make. So it's almost like this like I'm always 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.600 like lured towards the right thing maybe and even if 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:13.040 it ends up being the wrong thing, it was still 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:16.120 the right thing. Because if it's if it's a decision 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.120 made by following your gut, then you can't really follow 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:19.800 yourself for it. 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.280 I'm a great believer in that. I think It's true. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.640 I've always even if I've made wrong decisions, when I 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:29.559 have followed my gut, I sort of have confidence in 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.000 the decision that I've made it great because I know 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:31.640 why I made it. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:35.920 Yeah, Sometimes it's funny, like if you're going through a 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:39.920 period of self doubt or or just anything, you find 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:44.360 yourself asking other people's opinions. But always always at the 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:47.080 end of the day. I like, for me, even when 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.440 I've gone through periods where I if I'm doubting myself 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.520 or something and I ask like six different people what 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.400 they think, I never end up listening. So it's almost 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:57.400 just like a journey to get back to your own mind. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:01.640 So, yeah, you mentioned earlier this is the first kind 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:04.560 of big headline tool run that you've done in support 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.400 of the Old Time. How has it been playing those 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:08.320 songs every night? 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:14.040 Oh my gosh, feels so good. I feel like I 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:16.680 went through a lot in between albums mentally just to 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:20.360 try and get my I wanted to enjoy this new 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:21.960 life of mine more. 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:24.920 Because I had time kind of a tough time with 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:31.720 it the first album. And I think I've grown so 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:36.560 much and I've my my music has grown and what 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:39.240 I want to do on stage has grown, and so 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:42.000 being able to finally after so long thinking about what 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.720 I what that meant and what that was going to be, 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:48.040 and then rehearsing and then like you know, letting my 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.160 mind free creatively and letting myself be as you know, 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.079 taking risks and challenging myself. Like I've really done that 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.520 for this tour, in this live show, and it feels 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.080 so good and it's the most one I've ever had. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:03.440 The show is so fun for me to do. Like 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.160 I genuinely enjoy being on stage every single second that 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.200 I'm there because I'm really inspired by what I'm doing 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:14.319 right now. And sometimes when you like, especially with album cycles, 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.240 because you know, this is only my second album, I'm 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:18.760 still like, I still think of myself as a newcomer 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:20.680 in this business because there are people who have put 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:24.520 out six, seven, eight albums whatever. But I have to 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.960 imagine that what I felt. But at the end of 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:31.240 the Goddess era, which is like you've been performing these 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:33.920 songs for three years and some of their meanings have 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:38.439 changed to you, and some shows can start feeling quite robotic, 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:43.400 like and finally, and when that starts happening is kind 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.840 of when you know, okay, artistically, I need to do 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:47.840 something else, like I need to write, I need to 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:52.040 I need to reinvigorate myself creatively and feel really inspired again. 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:55.600 And so, you know, giving myself the time to write 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:58.520 this album and then they really think about creatively what 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.120 I want to do for it and visual and live 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:04.400 show wise, it's like it's so new and it's so 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:07.960 fresh for me, and I feel so inspired by it 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.040 right now, so it's making it really fun. 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:13.440 I often think it's an interesting situation when an artist 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.839 enjoys more success and plays bigger shows, because inevitably, when 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:18.160 you have a bigger stage, you fill it with a 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.280 bigger production, which means more people are involved, which means 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:25.199 that in a sense, it has to become more organized 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.280 and choreographed, and like you say, it could end up 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.040 being a bit robotic because there are cues, and there 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.280 are visuals, and there are lights that have to appear 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.600 at the right moments. So how do you still find 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.520 the kind of essence in your live performance so that 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:39.520 every night it feels different? 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:44.600 And it feels because every movement, you know, when you think, 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.040 when I think of the word like choreography, it almost 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.640 feels like there's someone who's coming in. It almost feels 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.760 like that stereotypical like pop packaging world where it's like 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.839 someone's coming in from an outsider is coming into trying 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:03.640 like make you move the way they see fit. Whereas 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.280 like this show that I'm doing, it's like every single 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:10.520 creature involved in this show was picked because I believe 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.240 in them and they inspire me. So like these moves 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:17.320 that I'm doing are you know, from They're like these 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.120 natural grooves that I just have always done but elevated. 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.600 And the people that are on stage with me I have, 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.760 you know, they represent these you know, these two girls 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:28.960 Alison and Nadine, who I've taken on the road with me. 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:34.000 It's just been so much fun because I mean, my music, 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:36.120 I write all my music, It all comes from my heart, 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.160 and so like when I move to it, it comes 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.199 from inside of me. And then like when you when 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.600 you find people that really understand you and you connect 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:46.760 with and you're inspired by, and then they kind of 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:50.120 like you're kind of doing all these grooves together that 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:56.360 the music is naturally doing to you. It feels really 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.040 organic and authentic, and it just feels like the next 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:03.120 step for me and Nina McNeely is kind of my 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:08.080 partner in that, and she's choreographed this crazy she knows 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:12.800 me so well and and we've you know, she's like 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:19.720 my soulmate movement wise, like my I don't know. It's 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.280 good when you find people who inspire you. It doesn't 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:26.560 feel like a robotic thing. It feels like every night 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.600 that I've done this show so far, every movement feels 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:35.120 like this like gritty, kind of like guttural thing, and 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.720 it grows and it changes every night, and the audience 0:14:37.800 --> 0:14:41.480 changes every night, and it's my mood changes every night. 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:43.320 I mean, like I said, today, I'm feeling a bit 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:50.560 nervous and tired or something. And you know, on another day, 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.440 I could have just been like in a really like loud, 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:55.840 goofy mood, so like that would kind of go into 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.960 my performance. So sometimes you feel more fragile, sometimes you 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:03.040 feel more more like a warrior, and that kind of 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:09.160 affects your performance. So it's always I'm just like, I'm 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.400 just a human that makes music and performs it. So 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:14.520 it changes every night. 0:15:14.720 --> 0:15:18.200 How are you now that you've done it for four 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:21.320 or five years, like going on the road, that thing 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.920 of performing every night moving to a different city, doing 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:28.040 it again, repeat, repeat, repeat, in the sort of genuine 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.160 day to day detail. How do you find that? Because 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.960 it's not you know, we've spoken to artists on the 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:37.680 podcast before who've said they love every moment of touring, 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.280 but only the bit where they're on stage and the 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.720 rest of it they can kind of take or leave 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.520 really because it's hard and they don't need to struggle 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:47.840 to find the kind of joy. And it might sound 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.600 it might sound like it's a great luxury to move 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.760 between these cities every day, but you don't really scared 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.760 to see any of it, and you're really just kind 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.800 of hopping from one hotel room to the next and 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.920 then performing. So like the actual day today, it's quite grueling. 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:05.280 So how do you find it? 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:07.720 It's hard? I mean I had a like I said 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:10.920 my first album, I did not I would I was 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.640 I didn't get how people did this? It's can you 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.880 like sometimes like cuss is that allowed on this? Yeah? Yeah? 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:23.520 But I remember thinking like, how the fuck do people 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.600 do this? Like I didn't understand how Like I would 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:28.920 talk to my friends who had leoneld been touring for 0:16:29.040 --> 0:16:31.640 years and I'm like, but how like I don't understand. 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:35.480 I was completely miserable and I felt like shit, and 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.160 like it's unhealthy, and your body's on different time zones 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.720 and you're homesick, and and you know you don't understand 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.200 the language, so you think you you know, said something 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.320 or ordered something and it's wrong. And then you only 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.000 have a minute to get to sound check, and then 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:50.880 you only have this long and then you're late for 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.760 your show, and then you know it's just it's really 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.920 hard and it is a grind. And for me, what 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.680 I've learned is like the most important thing is having 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:02.840 right energies around you, the right people around you, because 0:17:03.480 --> 0:17:11.399 if someone doesn't understand what who you are, and like 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.320 I'm just any artist or any person needs the right 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:19.280 people around them, especially when you're in a when you're 0:17:19.280 --> 0:17:22.000 exhausted and you're traveling and you need a lot of 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:27.000 positive energy and a lot of like nurturing energy. And 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:31.399 when I realized that now, the crew I have around 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:36.679 me now is has completely changed my entire experience of touring. 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:40.040 Like this is the most fun tour I've ever been on. 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.919 For sure, I'm just having such a good time because 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:45.960 first of all, the longer you do it, the more 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:50.200 of a routine you can somehow find within having no routine, 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:56.240 like and just yeah, like I said, just having the 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.320 right people around you. It's kind of as simple and 0:17:58.359 --> 0:17:59.080 as hard as that. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.800 Often when people talk about artist's careers, they say, what 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:06.760 an incredible thing to be able to travel the world. 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.240 And as I said earlier, like, yes, you are in 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:11.760 the sense that you're kind of moving from one place 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:15.560 to another. But I'm playing shows every night, but never 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:20.040 necessarily seeing a place. So are you away from touring 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:21.879 and away from making music? Are you kind of an 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.679 adventurous spirit anyway? Do you do you like traveling? Do 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.119 you like seeing new things? Is that like something that 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.800 you're really keen on? And regardless of the big cities 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:31.359 that you play every night, is there somewhere in the 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:32.359 world that you'd love to go to? 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:34.720 Yeah? I mean, I don't think anyone could do this 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:38.480 if they weren't an adventurous spirit, because it's just you're 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:43.359 out of your elements so often that you would go 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:48.080 insane if you weren't. But yeah, I mean, I love 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.880 I get so bored, Like I get bored really easily. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:56.560 And if I'm not inspired, sometimes I feel like uninspired 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.680 and bored are similar words. If I'm either of those things, 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.040 I've like my skin turns gray, like I just become 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:08.879 like I feel like I don't feel good. And so 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:14.679 for me, touring does kind of fill that whole sometimes. 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:20.679 And a place that I definitely would want to go 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:21.800 to is India. 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:24.960 What attracts you about the idea of going to India? 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:25.920 Is it the kind of just. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.959 Like the colors, the flood, the people, everything, It just 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.439 looks so beautiful every single thing I read about it, 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:35.280 I've seen the culture. I've just never been anywhere like it. 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:37.800 My wife's just come back from India. She worked in 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:41.360 a she volunteered in a children's orphanage, Oh wow, for 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:43.760 ten days, and there was the first time she'd been 0:19:43.840 --> 0:19:47.400 to India and she was in Delhi and she had 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:49.920 an incredible experience. Yeah, like she can't wait to go back. 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:52.119 Yeah. Everyone I've talked to who has been there, and 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:55.119 I don't know if I've ever talked to someone who's 0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:58.399 played there. Even I feel like everyone I've talked to 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.720 has just gone there as a just an experience. But 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:06.040 it's funny because I was touring for you know, I 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:09.200 toured the Goddess album for like three years, and then 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.159 anytime my dad or my mom or a friend or 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:14.359 something would be like, do you want to get out 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:16.439 of town for a few days, I'd be like absolutely not. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.080 Like if I'm not forced to be on the plane, 0:20:19.119 --> 0:20:22.199 I will never step on a plane. But then I 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:28.199 took a trip to Italy with my family before the 0:20:28.240 --> 0:20:30.439 Altar came out, and it was the first trip I 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.600 had gone on that wasn't like for work or for 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:35.800 touring or for shows or whatever, and I was like, whoa, 0:20:36.000 --> 0:20:41.320 Like it's so different, Like I completely forgot that, Like yeah, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:43.800 like you think you're It's like you trick yourself into 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.720 thinking you're on holiday, but you're absolutely not. 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.879 Like so where did you go in Italy? Would you 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:50.520 enjoy yourself? 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:54.800 Yeah, we went to a few different places. We were 0:20:54.800 --> 0:20:58.080 in post Sitana, which was incredible, and then yeah, we 0:20:58.160 --> 0:21:01.000 just kind of ventured around. But it's. 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.200 Yeah, it's a beautiful country, Italy. I'd like to go 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.399 there more. I've only ever really been to Rome in Venice, Venis, 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:11.920 I would highly recommend. It's a pretty crazy place. It's 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:13.680 come out of somebody's imagination at some point. 0:21:13.760 --> 0:21:15.840 Yeah, I feel it seems fake or something. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.119 What's life like when you go back home now? Then 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.280 do you find it still got a sort of magnetic 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:24.480 pool when you're when you're out on the road, or 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:27.399 do you still do you enjoy like going home and 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:29.399 like the comforts and the friends and the family. Is 0:21:29.440 --> 0:21:31.720 that an important thing still? Yeah? 0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:34.560 Oh my gosh, you need that. When I'm on tour, 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.440 after three weeks, I start saying I need to go home, 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:39.520 And then when I'm at home for longer than three weeks, 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:41.560