WEBVTT - Can Biden Still Win? 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:07.080 Cool Zone Media. Welcome to it could happen here a 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.360 podcast about it happening here, it being the slow crumbling 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.200 of the old world and the painful birth of the new. 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:18.880 And here to talk about the painful birth of the 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:22.000 new world is someone who was compared to me very 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:24.960 recently born, Garrison Davis. How are you doing, Garet. 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.440 Good Good as a new member of the KHive nation, 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:30.240 I have a new life under me now. 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:35.240 Yeah, you've embraced the Kamala of it all and are 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.760 now are now just vibing? Yeah, it's a beautiful place 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:39.840 to be. Yeah. 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:44.400 Unfortunately it might be just as a delusional as Biden's 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:46.680 own insistence that he should be the one to run. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.320 And that's kind of what we're talking about here today. 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.800 Oh good, I love delusion and its impact on American 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:53.640 political life. 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:59.840 So our initial post debate comments, we're a little bit frenzied, 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:04.040 little bit chaotic, as was the debate, I suppose, and 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:07.920 post debate polls were also just kind of a mess 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:12.039 initially with wildly differing results from source to source, but 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.560 over time they have since stabilized and kind of synced 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:19.840 up to like phyciically put it, essentially, the debate undid 0:01:20.600 --> 0:01:23.200 most of the pro Biden shifts that had happened in 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:24.920 the wake of Trump's felony conviction. 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:29.480 Yeah, and I've seen some poles have shown it tightening 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.600 up a little bit again. But it's it's very I mean, 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:38.040 I always wonder like how much you've got kind of 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:41.240 two camps, broadly speaking in terms of the people who 0:01:41.319 --> 0:01:45.120 seem like they're not completely insane. One of them is 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.480 kind of the Nate Silver side of things, which shows 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:52.800 Biden as having fallen fairly far behind and having you know, 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:55.760 he's got Biden at about a thirty percent chance, which 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.040 is where Trump was in twenty sixteen, so that doesn't 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:03.600 mean z zero. Whereas the new five thirty eight polling average, 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.800 and I kind of have been following their new head 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.320 of statistics for a while, has it still close to 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:14.160 a dead heat. And then obviously, you know, there's arguments 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:16.360 that people will make that Trump or that Biden is 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.480 actually very far behind, which have more to it than 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:22.680 the arguments that Biden that Biden is going to win 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.320 in a landslide, the kind of democratic like the polls 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.560 are wrong entirely. I don't think that's likely, but I 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:33.280 think we're looking at somewhere between Biden as a definite 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:38.160 like underdog, or more or less tied. I guess that's 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.640 where it seems to me like the evidence still is yep. 0:02:41.919 --> 0:02:45.600 A USA Today Suffolk University poll conducted immediately after the 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.400 debate gave Trump a four point boost. The week after 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:52.440 the debate, a New York Times Siena poll found Trump's 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.360 lead had increased by three percent, now leading by six 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:58.280 points with likely voters. Other questions were pulled in the 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:01.200 wake of the debate. A CNN found that seventy five 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.160 percent of Democrats believe the party would have a better 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.880 chance at defeating Trump with a candidate to other than Biden. 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.040 And overall, yes, his number dropped or kind of coasted 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:14.919 with what it had been in like, you know, April, March, February, 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.920 and according to Politico, other than Trump in twenty twenty, 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:22.680 no incumbent has trailed this far behind in horse race 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.200 polling since Jimmy Carter's re election bid forty four years ago, 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:28.560 which does not make me feel super optimistic. 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:33.600 It's not great, and man, it would be. I suspect 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.000 the polls are still over emphasizing it to a degree 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.480 because if if Biden losing by six percent would be 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:41.440 like the big the worst performance of a Democrat really 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:44.960 like a generation, like in a long long time, and 0:03:45.000 --> 0:03:48.400 I just don't believe it's going to be that far off, 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:52.000 but like it is. Definitely things are a lot uglier 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:55.360 than they were when we recorded our last horse race episode, right, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:59.440 Like the debate was somewhere between pretty bad and catastrophe 0:03:59.600 --> 0:04:01.920 in terms of its impact on the polls. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:06.320 Absolutely, but Trump, what Trump actually gained himself as a 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.600 candidate is not very much. It's mostly it's mostly, it's 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.640 mostly decreases on Biden. And five pollsters did pre and 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.920 post debate polls, and Trump is gaining on the margin, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.080 but in none of the polls did he gain anything 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.080 more than a four point swing. So they're all pretty consistent, 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:25.560 and it's it's not all the end of the world 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.359 here either. A poll released last Saturday by Bloomberg and 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.640 Morning Console showed Biden narrowing Trump's post debate lead, specifically 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:35.800 in swing states, with only a two percent difference between 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.720 all seven swing states, with Biden being ahead in Michigan 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.360 and Wisconsin. Yeah, two percent is within that margin of error, 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:46.160 So things are also starting to level up over time. 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.359 Yeah, and I think some of this may have to 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.200 do We're going to talk a bit about Project twenty 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:56.520 twenty five, which which I tend to think, uh, and 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.760 we've been chatting about this online all week in our 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:03.839 work chat. People are overemphasizing as opposed to what Trump 0:05:03.880 --> 0:05:08.280 is that because Agenda Project twenty twenty five is basically 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:11.440 a blueprint for a Christian fascist takeover of the US, 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:13.839 published by the Heritage Foundation, and a lot of people 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.160 who have been affiliated with Trump, who were in his 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:21.120 administration last time, have are on board with it, have 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:24.960 talked about it, have boosted it, so people are obviously 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:28.320 scared of it. I think what Trump is actually promised 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:30.960 to do in office, which is the Agenda forty seven, 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.200 we did a whole week of stuff on it, is 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:36.960 a more realistic thing to be afraid of. But either way, 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:41.120 I think that some of that tightening is probably a 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:43.240 mix of you've got everywhere, you had a bunch of 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:46.600 kind of on the fence, voters swing away from Biden 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.159 because he performed so badly in the debate, and then 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:53.840 it has dims have done a pretty intensive job of 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:55.720 spreading out a lot of you know, what you might 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.000 call fear porn over a fascist takeover of the country. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.200 And I think that's part of why things might be 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.320 tightening back up. 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.280 I mean, it would be nice to eventually, one year 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:09.520 vote for vote for something instead of just be voting 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.040 against something. But again, I'm not sure if we'll ever 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:12.839 get to that point. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:16.560 Again. Yeah, hasn't happened yet. Well no, no, no, I 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:18.960 mean I was. I remember I got to vote for 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.320 Obama the first time he ran, and it was hard 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:22.480 not to be optimistic. 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.320 So immediately after the debate, we had a whole bunch 0:06:26.320 --> 0:06:29.960 of like friends of Biden, kind of upper level Democrat 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.800 not like online influencers, but like actual like influential, like 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:37.440 like pundits and people you know, call for perhaps Biden 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.240 should step down, perhaps we should find somebody else. And 0:06:40.279 --> 0:06:43.279 this has kind of been the ongoing post debate ever 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:47.400 since the debates has been this question and we'll get 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:48.640 I we'll kind of get to this a little bit 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.880 more later. Honestly, I think we had a stronger chance 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.320 at this possibility a week or two ago. I think 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.000 by now Democrats have largely kind of closed ranks around Biden. 0:06:57.720 --> 0:07:00.480 But this is this is definitely still developing. And I've 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.039 been keeping up with all of Biden's appearances in the 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.720 media since the debate, just because I've been interested to 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.760 see how he will handle this kind of universal flub. 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.880 I watched his ABC interview and his recent phone calls 0:07:12.920 --> 0:07:16.480 into various morning news shows. In all of those, he 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:20.239 did not perform especially well as expected. They were slow 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:23.120 and sometimes kind of like mumbly, But neither have they 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:26.200 been like the death blow to his campaign needed to 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.040 finalize the shift to an alternative candidate. Instead, we're just 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.640 kind of coasting along with this general uncertainty regarding the 0:07:33.640 --> 0:07:38.200 Democratic candidacy, and meanwhile, Biden is just continuing to affirm 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:40.239 that he will be the one to lead the ticket. 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.680 I'm going to quote from Washington Post here. Quote. As 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.960 of Sunday, nine House Democrats, four privately and five publicly, 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.280 had called for Biden to exit the race. In addition, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.480 at least to eighteen current and former top Democrats as 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.520 of Saturday had publicly raised concerns about Biden's fitness for 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:59.040 office and his ability to defeat Trump unquote, And it 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:02.600 has remained the same since then. There's gonna be meetings 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:04.760 in the next few days. Including the day after we 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.200 record this. We're recording this on Monday, so there's gonna 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.680 be meetings in the Senate and in the House about 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.120 kind of this issue. So this is definitely still developing, 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:14.680 but you're starting to see more and more politicians fall 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.200 into rank. AOC just put in a statement saying, no, 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.040 we're gonna we're gonna all support Biden. So like there 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:21.960 was this uncertainty for a while, and now I think 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:23.840 people are kind of being told to like, come on, 0:08:24.040 --> 0:08:28.480 get on the platform. Yeah, but Biden hasn't been handling 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.520 this well like personally either. He's come across like very angry. 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.600 No, the emails I've been getting from the Biden campaign 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.559 have been wild, and I've been belaving podcasters. 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:39.640 He's been blaming. 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:42.200 Past the media, and I'm kind of bummed that it's 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.760 the pods save guys. He got angry. Yet we've been 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:47.320 We've been shitty to Joe Biden for so much longer 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:48.280 than those assholes. 0:08:49.320 --> 0:08:51.880 Yeah, but he's been treating it very weirdly. He's been 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.199 doing a lot of like a denial of the polling. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:56.920 He's been doing some revisionist. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:58.719 History, very magical thinking. 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:01.640 Regarding like twenty twenty pulling I think, I think kind 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.560 of referencing the Democratic primary, but still the way that 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.920 he's talking about it, it's making it sound like he, 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:08.800 you know, like he was behind in the polls in 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.800 twenty twenty, that he was that Democrats were behind in 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.880 the polls in twenty twenty two, which just wasn't true. 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:18.040 The red wave comment was was certain pundits and Republicans 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:20.720 trying to conjure a red wave, but the actual polls 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.040 were very accurate in twenty twenty two. And he's also 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:26.440 crediting himself for that red wave not happening in twenty 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:28.880 twenty two. So he's been having a lot of weird statements, 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.880 like blaming media and blaming the elites for trying to 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.560 replace him on the ticket. I'll include one clip here 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.240 from the morning Joe, come on. 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:39.000 Give me a break. 0:09:39.480 --> 0:09:40.720 I'm getting so frustrated. 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.520 But by the lease, now, I'm not talking about you guys, 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.120 but about the elase in the party who. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:47.679 They know so much more. 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.240 But any of these guys, I don't think I should 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:51.319 run against me. 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:57.120 Announced for president, challenge a man to convention. Kind of 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.800 his continuous line to justify his own candidate. See is 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.360 has been him claiming that he won the primary, which 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:08.200 is a ridiculous thing to say as an incumbent, because like, 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:12.839 come on, come on, and he has repeatedly said that 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.520 that that Democratic voters in the primaries have quote spoken 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:18.880 clearly and decisively. They've chosen me to be the nominee 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:22.280 of the party, which is not how it worked. Quote. 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:25.439 Do we now just say that process didn't matter, that 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:28.679 the voters don't have a say, I declined to do that. 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.280 How could we stand for democracy in our nation if 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.720 we ignore it in our own party. I cannot do that. 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.320 I will not do that, unquote, which is just absurd, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:39.600 right because like especially there was many people who actually 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:43.800 voted in the like false primary for like the like 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:44.600 other option. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:49.200 Yeah, I mean, but like seventy five percent of Americans 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.520 would prefer to vote for someone besides Biden. 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.440 Like it's it's absurd, especially when you're running like an 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:58.400 uncontested as an incumbent. If you want people to challenge you, 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.000 you could have said so, like it's come on, like 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.000 this is there was there was no pretty goofy. 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:07.000 No real primary for the dims, and there usually isn't. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:09.920 That's not abnormal with an incumbent, But in this case, 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:13.679 people have severe questions about the incumbent's fitness to do 0:11:13.760 --> 0:11:16.320 the job in a physical way. Like I hate to 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:20.560 say it, but like Trump might physically be better able 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:23.760 to survive a four year term than Biden. Is, you know, 0:11:23.880 --> 0:11:27.599 not that I think he's mentally a better president. I 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.520 don't think honestly. Part of what we are accepting here 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.719 is that, like that's so that doesn't really matter, right, 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.680 Like we're all kind of acknowledging if you're on team 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:41.280 anything but Trump, because he might end the concept of 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.480 democracy in this country, then you're accepting that, like, yeah, 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:46.720 I am not. I am voting for a guy who 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.360 probably can't really do the job anymore, and just assuming 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:52.520 that the people around him will not be as evil 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.920 like you do. Kind of have to accept that. Otherwise 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:57.040 you're just lying to yourself about the state that Joe 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.960 is in because he's he's not He's not all there. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.840 He's not all there the way he was in twenty twenty. 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:04.240 No, but do you know what still is here just 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:04.960 like it was back in. 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.520 Twenty twenty, capitalism, Baby, We didn't manage to take it out, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:12.520 even though we elected this our Communist leader Joseph Biden 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:13.880 chairman Joe. 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:25.600 Enjoy these capitalism sponsored ads. 0:12:28.280 --> 0:12:31.280 All right, we are back. Yeah. So there was a 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.440 report that came out from CHIP fifty, which is like 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:40.640 an analytics project. It's like the Civic Health and Institution Project, 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:45.400 So it's like a survey of all fifty US states, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:48.880 and they did a survey on like opinions of voters 0:12:48.960 --> 0:12:53.480 before and after the debate, and there showed like fairly 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.640 small movement, like very little was changed at all in 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:59.679 terms of like and primarily what was changed wasn't people 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.840 going from Biden to Trump, but from people preferring from 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:08.280 preferring Biden to preferring other rights like someone else, someone 0:13:08.480 --> 0:13:11.600 else right. And so that does kind of go back 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.240 to what we're like, people are not making their minds 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.640 up about Trump like now. And I think what the 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:19.040 DIMS can do if Biden stays in and he doesn't 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.000 seem like he's leaving. It seems like the primary thing 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.920 that will make progress for them is hitting on how 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.080 dangerous Trump having a second term will be. That seems 0:13:28.120 --> 0:13:30.640 to be what moves the needle, which. 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:32.719 Is part of their current strategy. But their shategy is 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:35.600 kind of all influx right now because of the poor 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.880 performance in the debate, They're trying to save face on 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:40.480 Biden's part as well as emphasizing that Trump is like 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:45.720 a dangerous possibility. And again, like, even if Biden does 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.400 decide to drop out or step down, He's going to 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:50.760 keep saying he's running until literally the day that happens, 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.120 right because that is that is what you do as 0:13:52.120 --> 0:13:54.120 a politician. You were gonna you were going to keep 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.080 insisting it until one day you are no longer doing that. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.800 And that's just kind of how politics goes. But he 0:13:59.800 --> 0:14:03.720 has it's made continuous, continuous gestures towards the fact that 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:05.800 he is he is going to stay. He has no 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.000 plans on stepping down. He wants to win in November. 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:12.319 This Monday, he personally made twenty calls to congressional members 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:14.600 trying to convince them that he is going to be 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:15.600 the one on the ticket. 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:18.400 No, really, guys, it's going to be me again. 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.440 Really, And I think part of what he's doing here 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.120 is like he does not have to demonstrate at the 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:29.680 moment that he will like survive until like November. All 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:31.560 he has to do right now is run out the 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.240 clock until the convention and then it'll be too late 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:37.280 to swap him out for anyone else. There's a few 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.960 other people kind of saying this, and I believe that 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:42.440 is kind of what is what is happening. All they 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.160 need to do is just keep delaying this question, keep this, 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.880 keep this uncertainty until the convention, and then it's going 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:49.880 to get locked in there. And that's all he needs 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:53.160 to do. He doesn't need to demonstrate his viability come November. 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.680 He just needs to make sure that he gets he 0:14:55.720 --> 0:15:00.320 gets the official nomination this August. And I don't know. 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:04.120 Biden supporters' reactions to this have been really weird, including 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:06.160 we've kind of had like a new upgrowth of a 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:12.120 pro Biden personality cult among liberals because I feel like, 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.600 largely like a culmination of like MSNBC Russia Gate, like 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:20.520 bluing on type stuff that people are just now convinced 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:23.480 there's like a secret conspiracy to take down Biden, and 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.960 any attempts to question Biden's legibility as a candidate could 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:29.880 only be rooted in some secret agenda to get Trump elected. 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.080 So I think this is why they're so volatile about this, 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:34.320 is that they think like the only one who would 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:38.240 ever propagate questions over Biden's like legibility would be someone 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.760 who secretly wants Trump to be in office again, and 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.000 that is such a threat to them that they they're 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:47.360 lashing out very very oddly and very conspiratorially against anyone 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:52.120 raising questions about maybe Biden's not the best guy actually, 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.680 and they're spinning this into like actually being secret Trumpers. 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.080 It's odd because even the way Biden talks about his 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.880 own drive to beat Trump is kind of wishy washy, 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:05.480 certain like more polished statements will be like, yes, this 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:07.320 is like a threat to democracy. We have to we 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.680 have to do this to keep Trump out of office. 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.360 This is an existential threat. But in that in that 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.400 ABC interview, he gave a really kind of soft answer 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:17.200 to this question, saying that all that he needs to 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:18.400 do is just give it his all. 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:21.640 And if you stay in and Trump is elected and 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.640 everything you're warning about comes to pass, how will you 0:16:24.680 --> 0:16:28.320 feel in January? I'll feel as long as I gave 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:30.880 it my all and I did the goodest jobs I 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:31.560 know I can do. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:38.080 That's what this is about. It. That's not convincing. 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.720 That's such like a like ninth like cartoons for a 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.280 ninth grader's way of saying it, like, well, what matters 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.920 is that I tried put it all my best work board. No, man, 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:50.360 that doesn't matter at all. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.120 Yeah it is. It's not great, it's it's it's not 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:57.400 it's not reassuring because it doesn't matter if you give 0:16:57.400 --> 0:16:59.840 it your all, people's lives are are on the right 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:02.520 and you're just like, eh, I'll give it the old 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:04.760 college try, You're like, okay. 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.640 It means one of two things. He's either is completely 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.480 delusional to the point where he doesn't realize how nonsensical 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.320 that is, or he doesn't really think that Trump is 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:18.400 a threat to democracy in people's lives. And I guess 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.760 the third option would be he doesn't care, like if 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.480 he loses reelection, fuck everybody, if he doesn't get to 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:26.440 keep being president. Like maybe he is just that kind 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.960 of person. I do have a feeling that only that 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:32.080 kind of person can become president of the United States. 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.159 Yeah, And I mean, like that was kind of my 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:37.320 read after the ABC interviews that he seemed just kind 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:41.520 of like delusional and narcissistic, like he really believes after 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.160 twenty twenty that he's the only one that can beat 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:46.960 Trump and this feels like like a very genuine view 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.320 of himself that he's the only one strong enough to 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.480 beat Trump. Yeah, And the more and more that there's 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:55.720 been pushback against his legibility, the more he's been digging 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.639 his heels in. And I think if things continue like this, 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.560 I don't think the Democratic Party will be able to 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:03.760 organize and unite enough to do like a soft coup 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.919 and convince Biden to step down. And without a complete 0:18:07.000 --> 0:18:10.360 united front against Biden, he himself would need some kind 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:12.600 of like excuse to allow himself to step down without 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.719 sacrificing his pride and showing weakness both in himself and 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:20.080 the party. This could be like a convenient medical diagnosis, right, 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.120 although the increasing number of calls for him to undergo 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.920 thorough neurological examination will probably have the same backfire effect 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.560 of Biden attempting as much as he can to avoid 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:34.160 any in depth medical and neurological testing. He's been making 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:37.080 these comments like every day I take a neurological test 0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:40.840 by doing my job, and like, come on, man, we 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.400 also we're watching you do your job. It's not the. 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.119 Problem, bro, Like you got up in front of the 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:50.560 like again referred to the last episode. Do you what 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.480 I did on the horse race? Our attitude was like, yeah, 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.320 things have really improved for Biden. I think he's probably 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.600 the smart money bet. And like sitting down and watching 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:04.080 that it was horrifying, Like, yeah, there's no dinner. That's 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.320 part of why this. You have to if you're still 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.080 on team, Like, I don't think it's fair what people 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.600 are saying to Joe if you're on team, This was 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.200 bad strategy from the beginning expressing any kind of doubt. Well, 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.440 maybe that's right, but I don't know what else people 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.439 are supposed to do if you don't if you really 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:23.520 think that this is he is not demonstrated, like is 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:30.000 seriously concerning incapacity for the work. Think about how unprecedented 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.119 having this degree of open challenging of him as the 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:35.600 candidate this close to an elections. I've never seen anything 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:35.800 like that. 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:41.360 Especially as especially on like in incumbent yes the president, Yeah, 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:45.080 and an incumbent who's served two times as vice, Like 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:51.280 that's ridiculous. And like the last real neurological medical examination 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:54.840 that he undertook was last February, which for an eighty 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.439 one year old is a very long time, especially if 0:19:57.480 --> 0:20:00.119 you compare like news clips of him from like a 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.480 debate two clips of him from last February or last year. 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.399 There actually is like a decent difference, And I don't know, 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:09.920 it seems it seems kind of absurd that he that 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:13.160 he keeps harping on this line. For his ABC interview, 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:15.359 he declined to take a cognitive test and make the 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:17.679 results public in order to reassure voters that he was 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:20.040 fit to serve another term, saying that I have a 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:23.600 cognitive test every single day doing this job. Everything I 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.760 do is a test. No, not great. 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:27.960 No. 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:32.120 He also said that only the Lord Almighty could persuade 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.639 him to change his mind and drop out of the race. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:37.399 What the fuck? What the fuck? Show? 0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:43.240 There we go? Seriously, man, So that's again not not 0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:47.320 super reassuring. But do you know what I can be 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:48.840 reassured by Robert. 0:20:49.000 --> 0:20:52.400 The fact that sweet lady capitalism is always there for us. 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:56.000 It's always there, like a good uncle or something. 0:20:56.040 --> 0:20:59.560 I don't know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, something something that state farmad. 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:09.600 I agree. 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:14.239