1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media. Welcome to it could happen here a 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: podcast about it happening here, it being the slow crumbling 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: of the old world and the painful birth of the new. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: And here to talk about the painful birth of the 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: new world is someone who was compared to me very 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: recently born, Garrison Davis. How are you doing, Garet. 7 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: Good Good as a new member of the KHive nation, 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: I have a new life under me now. 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, you've embraced the Kamala of it all and are 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: now are now just vibing? Yeah, it's a beautiful place 11 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: to be. Yeah. 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: Unfortunately it might be just as a delusional as Biden's 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 2: own insistence that he should be the one to run. 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: And that's kind of what we're talking about here today. 15 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: Oh good, I love delusion and its impact on American 16 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: political life. 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: So our initial post debate comments, we're a little bit frenzied, 18 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 2: little bit chaotic, as was the debate, I suppose, and 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 2: post debate polls were also just kind of a mess 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 2: initially with wildly differing results from source to source, but 21 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 2: over time they have since stabilized and kind of synced 22 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: up to like phyciically put it, essentially, the debate undid 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 2: most of the pro Biden shifts that had happened in 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 2: the wake of Trump's felony conviction. 25 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've seen some poles have shown it tightening 26 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: up a little bit again. But it's it's very I mean, 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: I always wonder like how much you've got kind of 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: two camps, broadly speaking in terms of the people who 29 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: seem like they're not completely insane. One of them is 30 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: kind of the Nate Silver side of things, which shows 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: Biden as having fallen fairly far behind and having you know, 32 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: he's got Biden at about a thirty percent chance, which 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: is where Trump was in twenty sixteen, so that doesn't 34 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: mean z zero. Whereas the new five thirty eight polling average, 35 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: and I kind of have been following their new head 36 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: of statistics for a while, has it still close to 37 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: a dead heat. And then obviously, you know, there's arguments 38 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: that people will make that Trump or that Biden is 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: actually very far behind, which have more to it than 40 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: the arguments that Biden that Biden is going to win 41 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 1: in a landslide, the kind of democratic like the polls 42 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: are wrong entirely. I don't think that's likely, but I 43 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: think we're looking at somewhere between Biden as a definite 44 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: like underdog, or more or less tied. I guess that's 45 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: where it seems to me like the evidence still is yep. 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: A USA Today Suffolk University poll conducted immediately after the 47 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: debate gave Trump a four point boost. The week after 48 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 2: the debate, a New York Times Siena poll found Trump's 49 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: lead had increased by three percent, now leading by six 50 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: points with likely voters. Other questions were pulled in the 51 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: wake of the debate. A CNN found that seventy five 52 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: percent of Democrats believe the party would have a better 53 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: chance at defeating Trump with a candidate to other than Biden. 54 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: And overall, yes, his number dropped or kind of coasted 55 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 2: with what it had been in like, you know, April, March, February, 56 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: and according to Politico, other than Trump in twenty twenty, 57 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: no incumbent has trailed this far behind in horse race 58 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 2: polling since Jimmy Carter's re election bid forty four years ago, 59 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: which does not make me feel super optimistic. 60 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: It's not great, and man, it would be. I suspect 61 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: the polls are still over emphasizing it to a degree 62 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: because if if Biden losing by six percent would be 63 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: like the big the worst performance of a Democrat really 64 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: like a generation, like in a long long time, and 65 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: I just don't believe it's going to be that far off, 66 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: but like it is. Definitely things are a lot uglier 67 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: than they were when we recorded our last horse race episode, right, 68 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: Like the debate was somewhere between pretty bad and catastrophe 69 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: in terms of its impact on the polls. 70 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely, but Trump, what Trump actually gained himself as a 71 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: candidate is not very much. It's mostly it's mostly, it's 72 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: mostly decreases on Biden. And five pollsters did pre and 73 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: post debate polls, and Trump is gaining on the margin, 74 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 2: but in none of the polls did he gain anything 75 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: more than a four point swing. So they're all pretty consistent, 76 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: and it's it's not all the end of the world 77 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 2: here either. A poll released last Saturday by Bloomberg and 78 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: Morning Console showed Biden narrowing Trump's post debate lead, specifically 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: in swing states, with only a two percent difference between 80 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: all seven swing states, with Biden being ahead in Michigan 81 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 2: and Wisconsin. Yeah, two percent is within that margin of error, 82 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: So things are also starting to level up over time. 83 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think some of this may have to 84 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: do We're going to talk a bit about Project twenty 85 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: twenty five, which which I tend to think, uh, and 86 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: we've been chatting about this online all week in our 87 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,839 Speaker 1: work chat. People are overemphasizing as opposed to what Trump 88 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: is that because Agenda Project twenty twenty five is basically 89 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: a blueprint for a Christian fascist takeover of the US, 90 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: published by the Heritage Foundation, and a lot of people 91 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: who have been affiliated with Trump, who were in his 92 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 1: administration last time, have are on board with it, have 93 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: talked about it, have boosted it, so people are obviously 94 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: scared of it. I think what Trump is actually promised 95 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: to do in office, which is the Agenda forty seven, 96 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: we did a whole week of stuff on it, is 97 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: a more realistic thing to be afraid of. But either way, 98 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: I think that some of that tightening is probably a 99 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: mix of you've got everywhere, you had a bunch of 100 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: kind of on the fence, voters swing away from Biden 101 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: because he performed so badly in the debate, and then 102 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: it has dims have done a pretty intensive job of 103 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 1: spreading out a lot of you know, what you might 104 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: call fear porn over a fascist takeover of the country. 105 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: And I think that's part of why things might be 106 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: tightening back up. 107 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it would be nice to eventually, one year 108 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 2: vote for vote for something instead of just be voting 109 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 2: against something. But again, I'm not sure if we'll ever 110 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 2: get to that point. 111 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: Again. Yeah, hasn't happened yet. Well no, no, no, I 112 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: mean I was. I remember I got to vote for 113 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Obama the first time he ran, and it was hard 114 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: not to be optimistic. 115 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: So immediately after the debate, we had a whole bunch 116 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: of like friends of Biden, kind of upper level Democrat 117 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 2: not like online influencers, but like actual like influential, like 118 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: like pundits and people you know, call for perhaps Biden 119 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 2: should step down, perhaps we should find somebody else. And 120 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 2: this has kind of been the ongoing post debate ever 121 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: since the debates has been this question and we'll get 122 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: I we'll kind of get to this a little bit 123 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 2: more later. Honestly, I think we had a stronger chance 124 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 2: at this possibility a week or two ago. I think 125 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 2: by now Democrats have largely kind of closed ranks around Biden. 126 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: But this is this is definitely still developing. And I've 127 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: been keeping up with all of Biden's appearances in the 128 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 2: media since the debate, just because I've been interested to 129 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: see how he will handle this kind of universal flub. 130 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: I watched his ABC interview and his recent phone calls 131 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: into various morning news shows. In all of those, he 132 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 2: did not perform especially well as expected. They were slow 133 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: and sometimes kind of like mumbly, But neither have they 134 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: been like the death blow to his campaign needed to 135 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: finalize the shift to an alternative candidate. Instead, we're just 136 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 2: kind of coasting along with this general uncertainty regarding the 137 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: Democratic candidacy, and meanwhile, Biden is just continuing to affirm 138 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 2: that he will be the one to lead the ticket. 139 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to quote from Washington Post here. Quote. As 140 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: of Sunday, nine House Democrats, four privately and five publicly, 141 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: had called for Biden to exit the race. In addition, 142 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: at least to eighteen current and former top Democrats as 143 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: of Saturday had publicly raised concerns about Biden's fitness for 144 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: office and his ability to defeat Trump unquote, And it 145 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 2: has remained the same since then. There's gonna be meetings 146 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: in the next few days. Including the day after we 147 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: record this. We're recording this on Monday, so there's gonna 148 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: be meetings in the Senate and in the House about 149 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 2: kind of this issue. So this is definitely still developing, 150 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 2: but you're starting to see more and more politicians fall 151 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: into rank. AOC just put in a statement saying, no, 152 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna all support Biden. So like there 153 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: was this uncertainty for a while, and now I think 154 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: people are kind of being told to like, come on, 155 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 2: get on the platform. Yeah, but Biden hasn't been handling 156 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 2: this well like personally either. He's come across like very angry. 157 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: No, the emails I've been getting from the Biden campaign 158 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: have been wild, and I've been belaving podcasters. 159 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: He's been blaming. 160 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: Past the media, and I'm kind of bummed that it's 161 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: the pods save guys. He got angry. Yet we've been 162 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: We've been shitty to Joe Biden for so much longer 163 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: than those assholes. 164 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's been treating it very weirdly. He's been 165 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 2: doing a lot of like a denial of the polling. 166 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: He's been doing some revisionist. 167 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: History, very magical thinking. 168 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: Regarding like twenty twenty pulling I think, I think kind 169 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: of referencing the Democratic primary, but still the way that 170 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: he's talking about it, it's making it sound like he, 171 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 2: you know, like he was behind in the polls in 172 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, that he was that Democrats were behind in 173 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 2: the polls in twenty twenty two, which just wasn't true. 174 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: The red wave comment was was certain pundits and Republicans 175 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 2: trying to conjure a red wave, but the actual polls 176 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: were very accurate in twenty twenty two. And he's also 177 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: crediting himself for that red wave not happening in twenty 178 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: twenty two. So he's been having a lot of weird statements, 179 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 2: like blaming media and blaming the elites for trying to 180 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: replace him on the ticket. I'll include one clip here 181 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: from the morning Joe, come on. 182 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: Give me a break. 183 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 2: I'm getting so frustrated. 184 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: But by the lease, now, I'm not talking about you guys, 185 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: but about the elase in the party who. 186 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 2: They know so much more. 187 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: But any of these guys, I don't think I should 188 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 1: run against me. 189 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: Announced for president, challenge a man to convention. Kind of 190 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 2: his continuous line to justify his own candidate. See is 191 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 2: has been him claiming that he won the primary, which 192 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: is a ridiculous thing to say as an incumbent, because like, 193 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:12,839 Speaker 2: come on, come on, and he has repeatedly said that 194 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 2: that that Democratic voters in the primaries have quote spoken 195 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: clearly and decisively. They've chosen me to be the nominee 196 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 2: of the party, which is not how it worked. Quote. 197 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 2: Do we now just say that process didn't matter, that 198 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 2: the voters don't have a say, I declined to do that. 199 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: How could we stand for democracy in our nation if 200 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: we ignore it in our own party. I cannot do that. 201 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: I will not do that, unquote, which is just absurd, 202 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: right because like especially there was many people who actually 203 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 2: voted in the like false primary for like the like 204 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: other option. 205 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but like seventy five percent of Americans 206 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: would prefer to vote for someone besides Biden. 207 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 2: Like it's it's absurd, especially when you're running like an 208 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 2: uncontested as an incumbent. If you want people to challenge you, 209 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: you could have said so, like it's come on, like 210 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: this is there was there was no pretty goofy. 211 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: No real primary for the dims, and there usually isn't. 212 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: That's not abnormal with an incumbent, But in this case, 213 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: people have severe questions about the incumbent's fitness to do 214 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: the job in a physical way. Like I hate to 215 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: say it, but like Trump might physically be better able 216 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: to survive a four year term than Biden. Is, you know, 217 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 1: not that I think he's mentally a better president. I 218 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: don't think honestly. Part of what we are accepting here 219 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: is that, like that's so that doesn't really matter, right, 220 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,680 Speaker 1: Like we're all kind of acknowledging if you're on team 221 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: anything but Trump, because he might end the concept of 222 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: democracy in this country, then you're accepting that, like, yeah, 223 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: I am not. I am voting for a guy who 224 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: probably can't really do the job anymore, and just assuming 225 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: that the people around him will not be as evil 226 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: like you do. Kind of have to accept that. Otherwise 227 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 1: you're just lying to yourself about the state that Joe 228 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: is in because he's he's not He's not all there. 229 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: He's not all there the way he was in twenty twenty. 230 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: No, but do you know what still is here just 231 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 2: like it was back in. 232 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: Twenty twenty, capitalism, Baby, We didn't manage to take it out, 233 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: even though we elected this our Communist leader Joseph Biden 234 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: chairman Joe. 235 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 2: Enjoy these capitalism sponsored ads. 236 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: All right, we are back. Yeah. So there was a 237 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: report that came out from CHIP fifty, which is like 238 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: an analytics project. It's like the Civic Health and Institution Project, 239 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: So it's like a survey of all fifty US states, 240 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: and they did a survey on like opinions of voters 241 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: before and after the debate, and there showed like fairly 242 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: small movement, like very little was changed at all in 243 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: terms of like and primarily what was changed wasn't people 244 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: going from Biden to Trump, but from people preferring from 245 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: preferring Biden to preferring other rights like someone else, someone 246 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: else right. And so that does kind of go back 247 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: to what we're like, people are not making their minds 248 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: up about Trump like now. And I think what the 249 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: DIMS can do if Biden stays in and he doesn't 250 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: seem like he's leaving. It seems like the primary thing 251 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: that will make progress for them is hitting on how 252 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: dangerous Trump having a second term will be. That seems 253 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: to be what moves the needle, which. 254 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,719 Speaker 2: Is part of their current strategy. But their shategy is 255 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: kind of all influx right now because of the poor 256 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: performance in the debate, They're trying to save face on 257 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 2: Biden's part as well as emphasizing that Trump is like 258 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 2: a dangerous possibility. And again, like, even if Biden does 259 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 2: decide to drop out or step down, He's going to 260 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 2: keep saying he's running until literally the day that happens, 261 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 2: right because that is that is what you do as 262 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: a politician. You were gonna you were going to keep 263 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 2: insisting it until one day you are no longer doing that. 264 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,800 Speaker 2: And that's just kind of how politics goes. But he 265 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: has it's made continuous, continuous gestures towards the fact that 266 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: he is he is going to stay. He has no 267 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: plans on stepping down. He wants to win in November. 268 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 2: This Monday, he personally made twenty calls to congressional members 269 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 2: trying to convince them that he is going to be 270 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: the one on the ticket. 271 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: No, really, guys, it's going to be me again. 272 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: Really, And I think part of what he's doing here 273 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 2: is like he does not have to demonstrate at the 274 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 2: moment that he will like survive until like November. All 275 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 2: he has to do right now is run out the 276 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 2: clock until the convention and then it'll be too late 277 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: to swap him out for anyone else. There's a few 278 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: other people kind of saying this, and I believe that 279 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: is kind of what is what is happening. All they 280 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: need to do is just keep delaying this question, keep this, 281 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: keep this uncertainty until the convention, and then it's going 282 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 2: to get locked in there. And that's all he needs 283 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 2: to do. He doesn't need to demonstrate his viability come November. 284 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 2: He just needs to make sure that he gets he 285 00:14:55,720 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 2: gets the official nomination this August. And I don't know. 286 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: Biden supporters' reactions to this have been really weird, including 287 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 2: we've kind of had like a new upgrowth of a 288 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: pro Biden personality cult among liberals because I feel like, 289 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 2: largely like a culmination of like MSNBC Russia Gate, like 290 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: bluing on type stuff that people are just now convinced 291 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 2: there's like a secret conspiracy to take down Biden, and 292 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 2: any attempts to question Biden's legibility as a candidate could 293 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 2: only be rooted in some secret agenda to get Trump elected. 294 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: So I think this is why they're so volatile about this, 295 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: is that they think like the only one who would 296 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: ever propagate questions over Biden's like legibility would be someone 297 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 2: who secretly wants Trump to be in office again, and 298 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 2: that is such a threat to them that they they're 299 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: lashing out very very oddly and very conspiratorially against anyone 300 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,120 Speaker 2: raising questions about maybe Biden's not the best guy actually, 301 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: and they're spinning this into like actually being secret Trumpers. 302 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: It's odd because even the way Biden talks about his 303 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 2: own drive to beat Trump is kind of wishy washy, 304 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 2: certain like more polished statements will be like, yes, this 305 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: is like a threat to democracy. We have to we 306 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: have to do this to keep Trump out of office. 307 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: This is an existential threat. But in that in that 308 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 2: ABC interview, he gave a really kind of soft answer 309 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: to this question, saying that all that he needs to 310 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 2: do is just give it his all. 311 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: And if you stay in and Trump is elected and 312 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: everything you're warning about comes to pass, how will you 313 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: feel in January? I'll feel as long as I gave 314 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: it my all and I did the goodest jobs I 315 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: know I can do. 316 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: That's what this is about. It. That's not convincing. 317 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: That's such like a like ninth like cartoons for a 318 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: ninth grader's way of saying it, like, well, what matters 319 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: is that I tried put it all my best work board. No, man, 320 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: that doesn't matter at all. 321 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It's not great, it's it's it's not 322 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: it's not reassuring because it doesn't matter if you give 323 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 2: it your all, people's lives are are on the right 324 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: and you're just like, eh, I'll give it the old 325 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: college try, You're like, okay. 326 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,640 Speaker 1: It means one of two things. He's either is completely 327 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: delusional to the point where he doesn't realize how nonsensical 328 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: that is, or he doesn't really think that Trump is 329 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: a threat to democracy in people's lives. And I guess 330 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: the third option would be he doesn't care, like if 331 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: he loses reelection, fuck everybody, if he doesn't get to 332 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: keep being president. Like maybe he is just that kind 333 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: of person. I do have a feeling that only that 334 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: kind of person can become president of the United States. 335 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean, like that was kind of my 336 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 2: read after the ABC interviews that he seemed just kind 337 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 2: of like delusional and narcissistic, like he really believes after 338 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 2: twenty twenty that he's the only one that can beat 339 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 2: Trump and this feels like like a very genuine view 340 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 2: of himself that he's the only one strong enough to 341 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 2: beat Trump. Yeah, And the more and more that there's 342 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 2: been pushback against his legibility, the more he's been digging 343 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 2: his heels in. And I think if things continue like this, 344 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: I don't think the Democratic Party will be able to 345 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: organize and unite enough to do like a soft coup 346 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,919 Speaker 2: and convince Biden to step down. And without a complete 347 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 2: united front against Biden, he himself would need some kind 348 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: of like excuse to allow himself to step down without 349 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,719 Speaker 2: sacrificing his pride and showing weakness both in himself and 350 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 2: the party. This could be like a convenient medical diagnosis, right, 351 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 2: although the increasing number of calls for him to undergo 352 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: thorough neurological examination will probably have the same backfire effect 353 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 2: of Biden attempting as much as he can to avoid 354 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 2: any in depth medical and neurological testing. He's been making 355 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: these comments like every day I take a neurological test 356 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: by doing my job, and like, come on, man, we 357 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: also we're watching you do your job. It's not the. 358 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: Problem, bro, Like you got up in front of the 359 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: like again referred to the last episode. Do you what 360 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: I did on the horse race? Our attitude was like, yeah, 361 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: things have really improved for Biden. I think he's probably 362 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: the smart money bet. And like sitting down and watching 363 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: that it was horrifying, Like, yeah, there's no dinner. That's 364 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: part of why this. You have to if you're still 365 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: on team, Like, I don't think it's fair what people 366 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: are saying to Joe if you're on team, This was 367 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: bad strategy from the beginning expressing any kind of doubt. Well, 368 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: maybe that's right, but I don't know what else people 369 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: are supposed to do if you don't if you really 370 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: think that this is he is not demonstrated, like is 371 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: seriously concerning incapacity for the work. Think about how unprecedented 372 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: having this degree of open challenging of him as the 373 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: candidate this close to an elections. I've never seen anything 374 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: like that. 375 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 2: Especially as especially on like in incumbent yes the president, Yeah, 376 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: and an incumbent who's served two times as vice, Like 377 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: that's ridiculous. And like the last real neurological medical examination 378 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 2: that he undertook was last February, which for an eighty 379 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 2: one year old is a very long time, especially if 380 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 2: you compare like news clips of him from like a 381 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 2: debate two clips of him from last February or last year. 382 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: There actually is like a decent difference, And I don't know, 383 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 2: it seems it seems kind of absurd that he that 384 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 2: he keeps harping on this line. For his ABC interview, 385 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 2: he declined to take a cognitive test and make the 386 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 2: results public in order to reassure voters that he was 387 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 2: fit to serve another term, saying that I have a 388 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 2: cognitive test every single day doing this job. Everything I 389 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: do is a test. No, not great. 390 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: No. 391 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 2: He also said that only the Lord Almighty could persuade 392 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: him to change his mind and drop out of the race. 393 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: What the fuck? What the fuck? Show? 394 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: There we go? Seriously, man, So that's again not not 395 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: super reassuring. But do you know what I can be 396 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: reassured by Robert. 397 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,400 Speaker 1: The fact that sweet lady capitalism is always there for us. 398 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: It's always there, like a good uncle or something. 399 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, something something that state farmad. 400 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: I agree. 401 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 2: All right, we are back. It is certainly feeling like 402 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty eight all over again, isn't it. 403 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? Uh yeah, I mean, And that's obviously having an 404 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:26,120 Speaker 1: open convention in sixty eight. The chaos around that did 405 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: not help the Democrats. They did not know that election. No, 406 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 1: we got fucking Dick Nixon. So that's not good. 407 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: No, it's not granted with with campus protests and everything, 408 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 2: it all is starting to feel like sixty eight over here. 409 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, a lot of people are saying. 410 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: If Bien does step down before the DNC in Chicago 411 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: this August, we could have ourselves an open convention to 412 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: nominate a new candidate. The last time this method was 413 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 2: used by Democrats was in sixty eight at the also 414 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: Chicago DNC, after the leading candidate, Senendate Robert F. Kennedy, 415 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: was assassinated weeks before the convention by twenty five four 416 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: year old Palestinian man for his support of Israel during 417 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: the Six Day War. So again, there is a lot 418 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: of a lot of parallels here. And if it's not 419 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: going to be Biden, then who is it going to be? Right, 420 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: This was a bigger question last week and it still 421 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 2: is kind of a lingering question in a lot of 422 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 2: people's minds. Who's it going to be? Probably Kamala I 423 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 2: don't know. 424 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's really for a lot of reasons 425 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: in terms of including like I think what would have 426 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: to happen with like the donations, like if it would 427 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: to be a totally new group of people, that would 428 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: cause insurmountable bullshit. And also like if you're talking about 429 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: from a war gaming this out perspective, you know, Kamala 430 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: does not look bad in the polling and might might 431 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: in fact be just for a variety of reasons, one 432 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,479 Speaker 1: of the better choices, Like I can, I can in 433 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: my head think, wow, I sure wish it was you know, 434 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: Pritzker and Whitmer maybe, but like, I think that a 435 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 1: lot of what I've seen in the polls has kind 436 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: of convinced me that Kamala is probably our are best 437 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: all around bet and if you include practicality and actually 438 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: like beating Trump. 439 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: Yes, in the polls, she is consistently higher than any 440 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 2: other potential Democratic replacements and doing, if not as well, 441 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: often better than Biden against Trump, usually closing that race out. 442 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: I think. 443 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: A CNN poll from last Wednesday showed that she's in 444 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: the margin of error against Trump nationally with forty five 445 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 2: to his forty seven, which is much better than Biden 446 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 2: is doing nationally, and she's projected to do much better 447 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: in an electoral college race than Biden specifically. So there 448 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: we go. I'm gonn quote from CNN here quote. An 449 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: anonymously written Google doc titled Unburdened by What has been 450 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 2: the Case for Kamala, written by self described senior operatives 451 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 2: within democratic political institutions, has been popping up in group 452 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: chats of Democratic donors and leading coalition groups. It lays 453 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 2: out a detailed argument and plan for a campaign. So 454 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: this doc I was able to get a hold of 455 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 2: a copy, and parts of it definitely read like an 456 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: aaronsor counscript like that is that is the closest thing 457 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 2: I can I can describe this thing as But I 458 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 2: think it is worth digging into here for our last section. 459 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna read some some small parts 460 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,959 Speaker 2: of this doc and Robert, and I'm curious to hear 461 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: what your thoughts are on this. It starts by saying, 462 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 2: we are currently losing. We need to do something different 463 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 2: to win. The number one most important priority above all 464 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: others is defeating Donald Trump. Nothing is more important, and 465 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 2: we need to be very real that we are currently losing. 466 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 2: So off to off to a good start okay, that is, 467 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 2: I would uh, I would, I would argue accurate. Quote. 468 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 2: Biden's debate performance, the campaign's defensive response, and the total 469 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: lack of plan to reassure his base and the voters 470 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 2: about his about his capability should shake everyone's confidence that 471 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: he can win this election. Now we have three possible options. 472 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 2: Biden can take the necessary step to demonstrate that he 473 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 2: is up to the job, he can step aside for 474 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 2: another candidate, or Trump will win. The discourse around potential 475 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 2: alternative candidates and the event that Biden does step down 476 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: is increasingly detached from reality. Donors, pundits, and democratic elites 477 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: are freely slinging around wild ideas about dream tickets. This 478 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: chaos is used as a shield by stay the Course 479 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 2: advocates who frame the choice as Biden or chaos. The 480 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: swirl over different possible candidates is obscuring the fact that 481 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: there's a single clear path forward. There's one path out 482 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 2: of this mess, and it's Kamala unquote. And this is 483 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: one of the interesting things I found about this doc 484 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 2: is that the way that they view this kind of 485 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: current chaos as we win just as a deliberate strategy 486 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: and as a deliberate tactics just to continue this uncertainty 487 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 2: all the way to the convention. And a lot of 488 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: the what this dock advocates for is that we need 489 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 2: to call this as soon as possible to give whatever 490 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: option we're going to go forward with the most amount 491 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: of success, whether that's Biden, whether that's Kamala, it needs 492 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 2: to we need to decide what it is so we 493 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 2: don't spend the next few months doing weird like democratic 494 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 2: party infighting and instead actually like lock down what's happening. 495 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 2: So there's a cohesive strategy. And they argue that Kamala 496 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,880 Speaker 2: has the strongest claim to democratic legibility among all other 497 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 2: alternative candidates. Quote, she's the only candidate that can take 498 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 2: the reins right now instead of in late August with 499 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: less than three months ago. To be clear, this isn't 500 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: an argument about deservedness or why should personally love Kamala. 501 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 2: It's about strategy and winning in the face of unimaginable 502 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: electoral stakes. 503 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 504 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 2: Now, the doctors point out that only Biden himself has 505 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: the power to drop out and choose to head off 506 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 2: chaos by anointing Harris. But Biden does listen to people 507 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: and the people that he listens to, listens to other people, 508 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 2: and that is the audience for the people reading this doc. 509 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 2: That's what this is circulating among. That was like the intention, 510 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: and they argue that if Biden does drop out, Democrats 511 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: have to unite quickly behind the elected successor, as opposed 512 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 2: to inviting this extended period of chaos. And although Kamala 513 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: has limitations in polls regarding her name recognition, she currently 514 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 2: wins any poll of alternative Democratic candidates by a very 515 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 2: wide margin. This doc dos pointed out that Kamala is 516 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: by no means a perfect candidate. She does have real deficits, 517 00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 2: but they are mostly addressable. The doc mentions her Biden 518 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: level approval, rating her involvement with Biden's immigration shortcomings and 519 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: her kind of awkward camera moments reminiscent of a drunk 520 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: aunt and quote. After years of a relatively low profile, 521 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: voters don't see her as a strong leader for the country, 522 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 2: but running as a presidential candidate will allow Harris to 523 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: present herself in a more commanding light. She'll be a 524 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 2: prosecutor going up against a convicted felon, a woman fighting 525 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 2: against the man who ended Roe V. Wade unquote and 526 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: that is a lot of the tight sort of messaging 527 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: that they are promoting if Kamala does end up being 528 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: the option. A Morning consoled political poll on the vice 529 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 2: president from June reflects a number of advantages she would 530 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 2: have over Trump in a head to head match based 531 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 2: on his greatest vulnerabilities. A majority of voters se Kamala's 532 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 2: mentally fit, level headed, and prepare contrast to Trump and 533 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 2: even Biden, and a majority of voters trust Kamala on jobs, abortion, 534 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 2: climate change, and LGBTQ rights. Public opinion is already moving 535 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 2: towards Harris over Biden. Forty three percent of voters indicate 536 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 2: Harris is fit to run, compared to Biden's thirty five 537 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 2: And while the issue is complex and the distance here 538 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: is relative, she's broadly considered to be on Biden's left 539 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: on Israel Palestine, an issue where he has major vulnerabilities. 540 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 2: Kamala also has advantages with the younger and POC voters 541 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: that the Democrats are currently bleeding in the dock. Here 542 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 2: they contain some stats on this, saying Biden won the 543 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty election by just forty four thousand votes, and 544 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 2: most of those are votes that he is bleeding. A 545 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 2: New York Times cenpol in February found that Harris is 546 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: nearly ten points ahead of Biden with black voters, and 547 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: fifteen points up with Latino voters, twenty points up with 548 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 2: young voters. These are massive advantages. Now that is older data, 549 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: but it's probably worth some consideration. Part of the reason 550 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 2: why she is also favored among other Democratic contents is 551 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 2: that she has direct access to the Biden Harris campaign 552 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 2: war chest of over ninety one million dollars in cash, 553 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 2: which would create a smoother transition. 554 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and is probably I mean again, just given the 555 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: amount of chaos that would be inherent in a totally 556 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: open convention, it just seems like the only feasible option. 557 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: And what they're advocating for is that if Kamla takes 558 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: a position now or soon to now, she'll have an 559 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 2: extra month and massive structural advantages. Quote, if we can 560 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 2: unite behind Harris in July, we have an extra month 561 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 2: of party unity and message unity. That's a month where 562 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: we can keep the media focused on Donald Trump, Project 563 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and mega extremism instead of waiting in 564 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,160 Speaker 2: dread for the next Biden misstep or talking about democrats 565 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: fighting it out to win delicate count Fear of racism 566 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: and sexism is playing an outsized role not supported by data. 567 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: The impact of sexism and racism on the vote is 568 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: marginal compared to the potential to make gains in the 569 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: crucial block that will decide the election. Right now. This 570 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: race hinges on alienated and unenthusiastic double haters who dislike 571 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 2: both Biden and Trump and want an alternative choice. Some 572 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 2: polls put the size of this group at twenty five 573 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: percent nationally, or even higher nearly thirty percent amongst. 574 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,000 Speaker 1: The basically everyone I know well. 575 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: Especially among inconsistent voters who are likely who are likely 576 00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 2: to decide the election in key battleground states. For these 577 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: double haters, vote choices being driven not by prejudice but 578 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: by anti enthusiasm for the two currently eighty year old 579 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 2: white men presented here as the only options. YEAH voters 580 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 2: more likely. These voters are also more likely to be young, Hispanic, black, 581 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 2: and women in urban or suburban areas, the exact kind 582 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: of voter profile that Kamala is gaining appeal with. 583 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. 584 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 2: And I find this little bit to be the most 585 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 2: compelling statement in this entire document. Because like that lays 586 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: out an actual map towards how Kamala would have a 587 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 2: better election viability than Biden, especially in the voters that 588 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: he's been bleeding dramatically in the past six seven months. Now. 589 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 2: The DOCA does close by saying, if Biden stays the course, 590 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 2: we need Kamala to be strong. The most likely outcome 591 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 2: is that President Biden declines to step back. In that case, 592 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 2: Kamala's role is more crucial than ever. She will be 593 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: the strong communicator on the ticket, especially on our most 594 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 2: important issue abortion. Second, many voters will understand her to 595 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 2: be Biden's near guaranteed successor, and we will need to 596 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: feel comfortable with her potential assent to the presidency to 597 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: vote for the Biden Harris ticket. For anyone in the 598 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 2: Biden's nominee, we must rally around him camp. It's essential 599 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 2: that we project confidence in his selection of a running 600 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: mate by one pushing the administration to stop sidelining Kamala, 601 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 2: by two promoting Kamala as the leader of the party 602 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: and country. Three be prepared to align with political and 603 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,440 Speaker 2: financial support, and three debate over and ultimately organize around 604 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 2: a new running mate. Consolidation around Vice President Harris will 605 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: not guarantee victory in November. No option is free of 606 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 2: risk at this point. But this is our clearest path 607 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 2: to win. We should take it. And that's how the 608 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 2: document ends. And I like some of the arguments they 609 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 2: make here. I don't like Kamala as a person. I 610 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: think she is many many and I don't like cops, 611 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 2: but absolutely, especially if their messaging will be like Kamala 612 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 2: the prosecutor against Trump the felon, which I personally don't like. 613 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: But that could work. 614 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 2: That's not going to lose her important voters. That's not 615 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 2: going to lose her all of the anarchists who already 616 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 2: aren't going to vote. 617 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: Like that, that might be a really good strategy, because 618 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 1: Americans do not feel the same way about prosecutors as 619 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: I do, and these you do right, like we have 620 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: to accept that at a certain point, I think so. 621 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,480 Speaker 1: I I the think that's most frustrated to me about 622 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: the fact that it doesn't look like Biden's going to 623 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: step down is that like the smartest thing they could 624 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: do strategy wise would be to drop that announcement on 625 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: like Monday of next week and utterly like cut the 626 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: wind out of the sales of the r NC, Like 627 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: suddenly the biggest story is that and not you know, 628 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: everything that the Republicans are putting out, like you could 629 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: actually really do some damage to them, because there's there's 630 00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 1: not really anything that they could do in response. 631 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 2: And so much media attention right now is being focused 632 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: on Biden very clearly not being fit for office, and 633 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 2: all of that would go away if Kamala gets put 634 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 2: into the spot, then then then everyone will start focusing 635 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 2: once again on how bad Trump is. And I can 636 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 2: understand some of like the Biden camps like upsetedness at 637 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 2: at like the fact that currently there is just so 638 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 2: much attention on Biden and everyone kind of is ignoring Trump, 639 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: but that just is due to how poorly he himself 640 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: has been behaving like that, Like that that is ultimately 641 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 2: the Biden campaign's fault that they didn't plan for this constituency. 642 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: And if they want all of that like discourse to stop, 643 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: they have a very easy option to And it's just 644 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 2: reliant on Biden not being too personally prideful and acknowledging 645 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 2: that he's just too old for office and there are 646 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 2: better candidates out there. So yeah, that is that is 647 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: the current, that is the current situation on the rise 648 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 2: of the case Hive, something I at this point am 649 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 2: very skeptical to think will actually happen. But it may 650 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 2: be actually a viable strategy for the Democratic Party. 651 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: Yep. I mean, we'll see what they actually do. Probably 652 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: keep running Joe Biden and hope that Americans panic enough 653 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: about Trump to But you know, we can all dream. 654 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 2: I dream to that point. We could also dream that 655 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 2: like that, that like the delegates will just like rebel 656 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 2: against they're like polite duty. Yeah, by by not committing 657 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 2: to their to their non binding promises. Although that would 658 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 2: be extremely unprecedented and it would make the DNC a 659 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 2: lot more fun. 660 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: Oh, we would. We would have a great DNC if 661 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: that were to go down. Yep. 662 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 2: Anyway, well, we're gonna have fun at the R and 663 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 2: C instead. 664 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, we sure will. Garrison, You and I are going 665 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: to be on the ground in the exclusion zone and 666 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: at the convention itself where we cannot have backpacks or. 667 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,640 Speaker 2: Gas masks or canned food. 668 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: But I might be able to carry a gun. Let 669 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: me see if they do reciprocity. Uh, where what is 670 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,360 Speaker 1: this is Minnesota? 671 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 2: No, this is not Minnesota. 672 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 1: This is Wisconsin, Wisconsin. 673 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,400 Speaker 2: This is Milwaukee, Milwaukee. 674 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: We can see how well prepared I am. Let me see. 675 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: That could make a fun episode all its own. 676 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: I do have an idea for an episode that I 677 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,240 Speaker 2: will mention to you off air that I really want. 678 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: To do for the rn C. Wait, it looks like 679 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: yes with restrictions. 680 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love restrictions. 681 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 1: That's great. We'll see what those are. 682 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: Stay tuned to you, but the restriction. 683 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: Stay tuned, everybody. 684 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 2: It could happen here as a production of cool Zone Media. 685 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 2: More podcast from. 686 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media, visit our website cool zonemedia dot com, 687 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 688 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,239 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts. 689 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,600 Speaker 2: You can find sources for It could Happen here, updated 690 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,720 Speaker 2: monthly at coolzonemedia dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.