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Speaker 1: get into the episode. Hi Blue Matt, what's going on?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: Last Thursday I decided to do what a lot of
Speaker 3: young men do, which is masturbate. And I happen to
Speaker 3: have a seventy five year old grandmother that lives with us,
Speaker 3: who is highly religious and doesn't believe in any sexual activity,
Speaker 3: even masturbation before marriage. And she happened to walk in
Speaker 3: on me while I was doing that, and now she
Speaker 3: hasn't talked to me since.
Speaker 1: Okay, why do you think she is not talking to you?
Speaker 3: She might be, Honestly, I'm thinking she might be embarrassed.
Speaker 3: She's also probably really upset because I'm not following what
Speaker 3: she believes in. I feel like she's she's had a
Speaker 3: few friends over of hers from the church group, and
Speaker 3: she uh, she kind of looks at me while whispering
Speaker 3: sometimes and then her friends look and I feel like
Speaker 3: she's talking about me.
Speaker 1: Mhm, Were you thinking about her friends while you were masturbating?
Speaker 3: No, Actually, I might as well just come out and
Speaker 3: say it. I'm actually gay. And do you know the
Speaker 3: lightsabers that they sell at Disney World.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: She walked in on me.
Speaker 1: Using it, okay, because I that's an interesting factory. Because
Speaker 1: I was going to ask after she walked in on you,
Speaker 1: did you finish?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I was right there, man, I'm yeah, wait.
Speaker 1: You were right like like you were about to come.
Speaker 3: And she walked in and I was like, holy shit.
Speaker 3: She closed the door and I kind of just said
Speaker 3: fuck it in the last two seconds, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it sounds like the force is within you.
Speaker 4: Literally, it was, and I can I can completely understand
Speaker 4: why that would be something that was awkward to walk
Speaker 4: in on.
Speaker 3: I just I don't even really need to talk to
Speaker 3: her about that particular situation. But it doesn't seem like
Speaker 3: she wants to talk to me about anything else.
Speaker 1: Does a great Does your grandma know that you're gay?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: M okay, do you think that the whole that's a
Speaker 6: whole other thing, because she's very very Christian, she's by
Speaker 6: the book old school waves, She's she doesn't believe in
Speaker 6: homosexuality either.
Speaker 1: Do you think she now thinks you're gay because you
Speaker 1: were shoving a lightsaber up your ass? Not that that
Speaker 1: means anything, definitely, of course not.
Speaker 6: But definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you look, let me ask you a question. I
Speaker 1: want you to answer this honestly. Do you love your grandmother.
Speaker 4: Very much?
Speaker 7: I really do. I mean, I might not agree with
Speaker 7: everything that she believes in, but she's prod of just
Speaker 7: spent in my life, my entire life, So yeah, I
Speaker 7: do love her.
Speaker 1: Okay, what do you what do you love about her?
Speaker 7: She was She's just been kind of very naturing growing up.
Speaker 7: She's always been very loving towards I guess the persona
Speaker 7: that she thinks that I am in my persona. I mean,
Speaker 7: I'm not changing everything about my personality, just kind of.
Speaker 7: She doesn't know that I'm gay.
Speaker 1: But with all that with Yeah, did you do something
Speaker 1: to your phone? You sound muffled?
Speaker 6: Does this sound better?
Speaker 1: It does? Okay, for a second, I thought you put
Speaker 1: your phone in your ass.
Speaker 3: No, No, I did turn it on speaker though that
Speaker 3: that might be an issue, but.
Speaker 1: Yes, take it take it off. Take take it off,
Speaker 1: by the way, for your sake, take it off of
Speaker 1: speaker as well. I feel like this is a decidedly
Speaker 1: private conversation that you want to have.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you love your mother. You know you love
Speaker 1: your grandmother? Uh, you love and you think that she
Speaker 1: loves what you described as the persona which you put on.
Speaker 3: When it comes to my sexuality, Yes, but literally everything
Speaker 3: else beside my sexuality is true to myself when I
Speaker 3: am around my grandmother, So she loves me for who
Speaker 3: I am, besides the people that I'm into.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask you a couple of questions. So
Speaker 1: how long has it been since this happened.
Speaker 3: It was Thursday, so tomorrow it'll be a week Okay.
Speaker 1: Have you attempted to initiate any conversation with your grandmother
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 3: I mean, whenever I see her, I do say hey,
Speaker 3: Grandma or good morning, grandma, and she just kind of
Speaker 3: like scoffs at me and keeps on doing whatever she's doing.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna throw an idea out at you, and
Speaker 1: you can take you can take this to leave this
Speaker 1: idea because it's a very personal decision and thing, of course,
Speaker 1: But like you know, look, I asked you if you
Speaker 1: love your grandma, and you said yes, and you said
Speaker 1: you gave a compelling reason as to why, And I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think if I were you, let's sit
Speaker 1: down with your grandma and go, you know, look, Grandma,
Speaker 1: I love you, here's why. Tell her all the things
Speaker 1: you told me, and just really kind of try to
Speaker 1: have a conversation with her in earnest, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because if you just walk around resenting
Speaker 1: each other, then what's the point of doing that? And
Speaker 1: I think if you try to reel her into a
Speaker 1: good faith conversation, one that is born of love and genuineness,
Speaker 1: which it sounds like you have in your heart, perhaps
Speaker 1: she could be appealed to and if not, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know. That's interesting useful information to have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really think that maybe if I go up
Speaker 3: to her instead of just saying hello or good morning,
Speaker 3: if I actually say, hey, Grandma, i haven't talked to
Speaker 3: you in a week, I'd really like to just maybe
Speaker 3: have a conversation with you. And if if things stay
Speaker 3: the way that they are, so be it. Maybe that
Speaker 3: might work.
Speaker 1: I think so too. I think so too.
Speaker 6: Okay, No, I'll definitely try that.
Speaker 3: I lived with my parents too, and they know that
Speaker 3: I'm gay. We just kind of kept it from my grandmother,
Speaker 3: so I feel like they'd have my back too.
Speaker 1: Honestly, when you went to the gift shop at Star
Speaker 1: wars Land, did you buy it knowing that you were going,
Speaker 1: like for the express purpose of shoving up your ass
Speaker 1: or did you buy it because it was a cool
Speaker 1: thing and then you got horny and needed something to
Speaker 1: put up your ass and you saw the lightsaber?
Speaker 3: Kind of a mixture of the both. It was more
Speaker 3: I went to the gift shop, thought it was cool,
Speaker 3: thought it was cool that you could build your own lightsaber,
Speaker 3: and then I found out that I vibrated and my
Speaker 3: imagination kind of took me to places that led me
Speaker 3: to my grandmother finding it in my ass.
Speaker 1: Mmm, you know what, I listen, listen. I hope this
Speaker 1: leads to a beautiful, healing conversation with your grandmother. And
Speaker 1: who knows, maybe that lightsaber truly, uh may give you
Speaker 1: more than than you had hoped.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much, while I really appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Of course I appreciate you too. Man, anything else you
Speaker 1: want to say to the people with the computer before
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 3: Not to the people of the computer, but I just
Speaker 3: noticed you last this Monday, that you were a little off.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to make sure that you were doing good.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm doing great sometimes, okay, And what an honor
Speaker 1: that is to sometimes be doing great.
Speaker 2: Wonderful, Thank you for calling.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hi.
Speaker 2: O, Hi.
Speaker 1: Is this uh? You're on? You're on. It's me Hill.
Speaker 1: It's pretty psychedelic, pretty psychedelic. Look at us happening so
Speaker 1: miraculously to be on the planet Earth, on this at
Speaker 1: the same time, billions and billions of billions, billions and
Speaker 1: billions and billions of different life forms, and we we
Speaker 1: exist in such a small, small, small lifespan compared to
Speaker 1: all the amount of time that's ever existed. And how's
Speaker 1: about that we crossed paths in this way? That's pretty
Speaker 1: it's pretty psychedelic. It's pretty Why you are share in
Speaker 1: your excitement for that? What's up, Stelle? How you doing?
Speaker 5: I'm doing good? How are you get?
Speaker 1: I actually feel good? I didn't feel I felt pretty
Speaker 1: bad for this whole day, but now I feel good.
Speaker 1: This is nice?
Speaker 2: Okay are you.
Speaker 5: I'm just hanging out?
Speaker 1: Well listen, Stella. Is there anything in particular that you
Speaker 1: called into what I talk about today?
Speaker 5: Uh? Yeah, Actually I kind of have a not I
Speaker 5: guess it's kind of a story, but it's kind of
Speaker 5: something that happened to me. And this happened two years ago,
Speaker 5: but uh, just kind of still I haven't told anybody ever,
Speaker 5: So it's like something I was just kind of wanting
Speaker 5: to get off my chest.
Speaker 1: I guess fascinating. Well, look if you're if you're cool
Speaker 1: with talking about it on a podcast, then I'd love
Speaker 1: to hear.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So I I guess I'll started off how this happened.
Speaker 5: So I had a boyfriend that I was pretty serious
Speaker 5: in living with, and we had been dating for about
Speaker 5: two and a half years, I would say. And one
Speaker 5: day I was cleaning our room and he wasn't home,
Speaker 5: and I found a pair of women's panties that weren't mine.
Speaker 5: So automatically I assumed, you know, always cheating on me,
Speaker 5: and I brought it up, and every time I brought
Speaker 5: it up, he would get really upset and he's like,
Speaker 5: I'm not cheating on you, And I don't know where
Speaker 5: those came from. And so a few months go by
Speaker 5: or whatever, and it turns out and I find out
Speaker 5: he likes to wear them for sexual pleasure, and he's
Speaker 5: a cross dresser. And he had also been wearing my
Speaker 5: high heels and my dresses around and he likes to
Speaker 5: wear makeup, and so it just kind of is kind
Speaker 5: of a shocking, shocking thing to find out that, oh,
Speaker 5: I wasn't being cheated on, but there's something weird that
Speaker 5: I wasn't aware of.
Speaker 1: Fascinating. How did you react initially to that information?
Speaker 5: I was kind of shocked. I didn't really know like
Speaker 5: what to say, because, like it just he told me
Speaker 5: when he was really drunk that he was a cross
Speaker 5: dresser and that he liked to do that when I
Speaker 5: was at home. So when he was sober. I brought
Speaker 5: it up and he was pretty embarrassed, but he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's something I like to do. And then it kind
Speaker 5: of progressed on like, oh, will you do my makeup?
Speaker 5: Or will you buy me distress? Or like I'm gonna
Speaker 5: buy myself a pair of high heels, will you come
Speaker 5: with me? Kind of thing.
Speaker 1: So it began as a secret that he kind of
Speaker 1: vehemently denied and wanted to keep from you, evolved into
Speaker 1: he finally admitted it, and then evolved into will you
Speaker 1: actually assist me and be a part of these endeavors,
Speaker 1: which is kind of a just kind of fascinating to
Speaker 1: me and makes sense, right because look, if this is
Speaker 1: a thing that's important to this guy, that's a part
Speaker 1: of his life that he wants to do, and you're
Speaker 1: his partner, it would make sense to me that he
Speaker 1: has this desire to want you in on it. Now,
Speaker 1: your willingness to be in on it is an entirely
Speaker 1: different is a humongous variable in this, So talk to
Speaker 1: me about that willingness or not.
Speaker 5: I love him obviously, So it's kind of hard at
Speaker 5: first because it's a little weird, but I like to
Speaker 5: try and be open minded, you know. So, and right
Speaker 5: now we're long distance, so I haven't actually gotten to
Speaker 5: buy him any shoes or do his makeup yet now.
Speaker 5: But when he comes back, we do have plans on
Speaker 5: you know, I'm going to help him pick out an
Speaker 5: outfit and then get him some shoes and make up,
Speaker 5: and then we're going to go out to eat in public.
Speaker 5: And I'm kind of nervous about this because I still
Speaker 5: haven't seen him. Yeah, so it's it's a little different.
Speaker 5: It's it's like I'm really open to it. I just
Speaker 5: I don't know how to feel about it, I guess,
Speaker 5: but I do love this person very much. And we've
Speaker 5: been together now for three years. So but the last
Speaker 5: few months have been long distance, or I guess, like
Speaker 5: the past six months have been long distance.
Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. Have you have you
Speaker 1: ever seen him in the makeup, in the dress, in.
Speaker 5: The heels only pictures?
Speaker 1: So the plan is to you see he dresses up
Speaker 1: in the makeup and the dress and the heels for
Speaker 1: the first time, and you guys go out together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I guess, I guess. Look, I mean, look, I
Speaker 1: guess in in in my head, just just the event
Speaker 1: of you seeing him dressed like that for the first time,
Speaker 1: is uh, it seems like it'd be pretty big. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and the whole the whole going out in
Speaker 1: public thing also seems like it'd be pretty big. So
Speaker 1: this is the combination to it's the combination of a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a double whammy of of
Speaker 1: two major things in one go, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm kind of nervous. I kind of told him
Speaker 5: like I'd rather like we do it at home first
Speaker 5: and then like and then build up to the going out.
Speaker 5: So it's kind of like, I don't know, we still
Speaker 5: got to make a plan. I guess I don't know,
Speaker 5: but it is pretty pretty nerve wracking because I haven't
Speaker 5: seen him yet in that way, only pictures.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's reasonable to, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: to want to take this one one step at a time.
Speaker 1: Tell me more about you, tell me more about your
Speaker 1: feelings about all of this, Like are you I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear more from you about what your
Speaker 1: I don't know what your fears are, or what your
Speaker 1: reservations are, or if there are any you know, any
Speaker 1: part of this that maybe you are actively into or
Speaker 1: actively against, or I just more general feelings from you
Speaker 1: about the whole situation.
Speaker 5: Well, my first feeling was, oh my god, I'm glad
Speaker 5: he's not cheating on me, because.
Speaker 2: That's what I thought sure for.
Speaker 5: A long time, and I just kind of like kind
Speaker 5: of ignored it. I guess, like I would bring it up,
Speaker 5: but I thought he was cheating on me. So it
Speaker 5: was kind of a relief to be like, oh, he's
Speaker 5: not cheating on me, it's this this other thing. And
Speaker 5: then now it's more of like, Okay, I am like
Speaker 5: I'm bisexual, so like or like I guess I'm attracted
Speaker 5: to the person, not just the gender, so like I'm
Speaker 5: gonna love him either way. But it's also like sexually,
Speaker 5: like if this is what he wants to do in
Speaker 5: the bedroom, like I've never I mean, I've done some
Speaker 5: kinky stuff, but never like, oh, my boyfriend's gonna dress
Speaker 5: up as a girl and wear high heels and and
Speaker 5: makeup and all this stuff. So it's like it's going
Speaker 5: to be something completely new, and I'm open to it.
Speaker 5: It's kind of exciting, but it's also kind of nerve
Speaker 5: racking scary for me because I'm like, I don't know,
Speaker 5: just a little nervous about it.
Speaker 1: Tell me what an aspect about it your most Are
Speaker 1: you nervous that you won't be into it? Are you
Speaker 1: nervous that it will affect the dynamic of your relationship?
Speaker 1: Very nervous it'll affect your sex life? What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Are you kind of.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm nervous that I'm not going to be into it,
Speaker 5: but I'm more nervous that it's going to be something
Speaker 5: he wants to do every time m in a sexual way.
Speaker 5: And it's like, yeah, because like he's a pretty attractive guy,
Speaker 5: Like he's he's really muscular, he's really fit, like kind
Speaker 5: of a jock. So it's just it's just kind of different.
Speaker 1: So and again, you know, the answers to the questions
Speaker 1: I'm asking you, I feel like they you know, they need,
Speaker 1: you know, trials to have actual data. And it sounds
Speaker 1: as though you are going to have these trials, but
Speaker 1: you're open, You're open to you know, experimenting with it,
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't want it to become a thing that
Speaker 1: happens every time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, because we have a pretty good sex life.
Speaker 5: I mean, at least I thought we did, like we do.
Speaker 5: But it's like that's something he was doing in private
Speaker 5: by himself for sexual pleasure, and it's like I don't
Speaker 5: want that to be all the time kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I know you said you haven't ever, uh talked to
Speaker 1: anyone about this.
Speaker 5: I'm yeah, I'm kind of scared too.
Speaker 1: Huh. Who would you want to talk to about this
Speaker 1: that you haven't I suppose like friends or.
Speaker 3: Well, my best.
Speaker 5: Friend is my sister, and like I kind of told
Speaker 5: her something weird was going on, but I didn't tell
Speaker 5: her to details. And also he doesn't want me to
Speaker 5: tell anybody because he's not comfortable with people knowing anything. Okay,
Speaker 5: So like I don't want to like betray his trust
Speaker 5: by like telling somebody that knows him m because it's
Speaker 5: kind of it's kind of his big secret.
Speaker 2: I guess okay, hmm mm hmmmmmmmmm.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I don't know. This is a really
Speaker 1: tough thing because you clearly care a lot about this
Speaker 1: person enough to try, right, you can always I feel
Speaker 1: like you can always make the decision to try stuff.
Speaker 1: You can't make the decision as to what you like
Speaker 1: or what you feel good about, but I feel like
Speaker 1: you can always make the decision to try. Right, so good,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's cool that you're in love
Speaker 1: enough and open minded enough to try. But I hope
Speaker 1: that you're not afraid of the results of the trial,
Speaker 1: because those the results of the trial. The feelings there are,
Speaker 1: I feel like they're not really negotiable. You know, you
Speaker 1: like what you like or you and you don't like,
Speaker 1: you don't like right, and I'm and and those are
Speaker 1: those are matter of fact things. I assume M so
Speaker 1: and so. I wouldn't be so scared of it. You know,
Speaker 1: it's just information.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like you can communicate well with him
Speaker 1: about all this stuff?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I mean we we we communicate pretty well.
Speaker 5: And like I've told him, I'm a little nervous, but
Speaker 5: like he's like, oh, it's gonna be okay, it's going
Speaker 5: to be great, like and I'm just like, but what
Speaker 5: if it's not?
Speaker 4: Like what if it doesn't grow up?
Speaker 5: But then it's like, at the same time, if it
Speaker 5: doesn't go well, I feel like he can still do
Speaker 5: those things and by himself in private. But then it's like,
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't mind, but I also don't want to,
Speaker 5: like not be able to satisfy him sexually.
Speaker 2: If if it's.
Speaker 5: Something I can't share with him, I guess it's weird.
Speaker 1: I know, No, I don't, but I don't think any
Speaker 1: of this is weird on your side or his side,
Speaker 1: because huh, I mean, I don't know. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: a heavy thing to think about, but like, look, the
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be so afraid of the results. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be afraid of the I would not be afraid of
Speaker 1: the results of this information because it's kind of good
Speaker 1: news no matter what, to know these things. And what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is that, look, if you find
Speaker 1: out that you're not into this stuff and he is,
Speaker 1: and you guys aren't compatible with each other in that way,
Speaker 1: that's good to know.
Speaker 8: It's always good and it's that's that's the the the
Speaker 8: the rising of that with the surfacing of that information
Speaker 8: is good for both of you, right because you both desire.
Speaker 1: To be with people who can satisfy you, So it's
Speaker 1: good for both of you. And look, if the results
Speaker 1: of the trial yield positive results and you like fucking
Speaker 1: him when he's in his uh, you know, makeup and
Speaker 1: heels and dress, that's all. That's it's also great news
Speaker 1: because now you guys can the time and be happy.
Speaker 1: So I would not be afraid of the results because
Speaker 1: it's good news no matter what. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you agree with that or if you can see that
Speaker 1: right now, but that's my feelings.
Speaker 5: No, it's it's definitely helpful.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you guys have a good communication with
Speaker 1: each other, you know, I mean, it is tough shit
Speaker 1: for both of you guys. Wait, are there any other
Speaker 1: aspects of this that you wanted to talk about?
Speaker 5: No, honestly, I just wanted to tell somebody. It feels
Speaker 5: good to like just talk about it, because it's like
Speaker 5: you couldn't tell anybody in my in my personal life,
Speaker 5: but I can tell the internet. I guess.
Speaker 1: Well, Stella, good, where are you guys gonna go on
Speaker 1: your date? You can go somewhere fancy, I you know, I.
Speaker 5: Don't know, we haven't gotten that far. Probably somewhere nice
Speaker 5: and fancy. So I'm we're a nice dress.
Speaker 1: That's cool? Is it not nice to have somebody that
Speaker 1: you can uh pick out go shopping with?
Speaker 6: Great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I'm reaching for straws now Well, Stella, thank
Speaker 1: you very much for calling us anything else you want
Speaker 1: to say to the people of the computer before we go.
Speaker 5: No, just thank you for being you and yeah, I
Speaker 5: hope everyone has a good night, take care stall, thank
Speaker 5: you bye.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: A big secret that I have is that occasionally, for
Speaker 1: my sexual pleasure I will paint my face green and
Speaker 1: dress up like a gecko. Hi.
Speaker 2: How's it going good?
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 9: I'm doing perfectly.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Dominic twenty one years old from Australia. No, Austria, they
Speaker 1: screwed it up there. Now I want you. I want
Speaker 1: to Auscreener wrote Austria. I said, Australia. Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the l on that. But also every every place
Speaker 1: is the same to me.
Speaker 2: So yes, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Austria is the youngest, says you're you're the youngest therapist
Speaker 1: in the European Union and you called it to school
Speaker 1: me on psychology.
Speaker 2: Behavioral patterns.
Speaker 1: All right, hit me.
Speaker 9: Now hold on one second, I have to empty up
Speaker 9: my cigarette.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 9: You know what, it's very interesting about you as a
Speaker 9: this get the therapist.
Speaker 1: Geck, yeah, hit me.
Speaker 9: The interesting part is that there are so many these most.
Speaker 2: Of the colors that you get, at least from.
Speaker 9: What I have seen, in the last ya Maria three hours, you.
Speaker 2: Should honestly have a different job. I do not know
Speaker 2: why you do this, but it is the behavior. The
Speaker 2: behavior of these people is very similar.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you can recognize that most of them.
Speaker 2: I mean the last before the Fish Guy, which was
Speaker 2: probably a Snaker's commercial, there was there were two people
Speaker 2: who had problems with either horniness onto take characters or
Speaker 2: bettering themselves by some video game of an anime figure
Speaker 2: which kills themselves. Yea, So may you may be questioning yourself,
Speaker 2: what am I doing? What am I doing with my life? Well,
Speaker 2: my kind I will tell her. What these people are
Speaker 2: doing is something that is very normal in behavioral patterns.
Speaker 2: This is like which is a good example basically the
Speaker 2: average Well, I'm assuming that most of these men are American.
Speaker 1: Now they're.
Speaker 2: The generates to an extent, They're not They're unhappy, and
Speaker 2: they're they're miserable people, and any form of physical, emotional,
Speaker 2: or behavioral affection is such a grace to them.
Speaker 1: Man, sure you get you get my point. Uh So,
Speaker 1: I guess what what are you trying to say exactly
Speaker 1: about Danny of this?
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say is that the colors that
Speaker 2: you get are and I would never and I.
Speaker 9: Really do not understand the concept.
Speaker 2: Of this is the colors that you get are very
Speaker 2: depressing to listen to. I do not know if they're joking.
Speaker 9: I'm not assuming they're joking because.
Speaker 2: That makes you worse.
Speaker 1: Sure, but Jesus, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, I'm not even what. Oh god, it is. It's
Speaker 2: so sad. It's very sad. Okay, it's like what, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well you're okay, So you are the the youngest therapists
Speaker 1: in the European Union. So you're you're your licensed therapist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, that's me.
Speaker 1: So you I I assume that you have you have clients, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you you have clients who come to you, and
Speaker 1: I assume tell you things that are depressing. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And how do you what do you make of the
Speaker 1: people that talk to you about depressing things?
Speaker 2: Well? See, this is the difference is that and most
Speaker 2: most people that are depressed is obviously men, which we
Speaker 2: can clearly see in this I hate the.
Speaker 9: Word society, but society.
Speaker 2: In our the modern era.
Speaker 9: Of civilization, men are more and more depressed due to
Speaker 9: the way that the behavior between and.
Speaker 2: Women have changed. Between social media.
Speaker 9: And this this ideology of let's stay in the little
Speaker 9: cave and watch a gecko talk to depressing Americans?
Speaker 2: And what I what I tell these people that are depressed,
Speaker 2: that are suicidal, that cut themselves, which I have to
Speaker 2: see the embarrassment in front of me, you know, I
Speaker 2: have to see their cuts. Yeah, embarrassing, and it's it's
Speaker 2: if they are they I mean, it's it's like the
Speaker 2: only thing that I can tell them is what are
Speaker 2: you doing? I mean, look at yourself for a second
Speaker 2: and question yourself. Is this the way you want to live?
Speaker 2: Do you want to be known as the ashlock that
Speaker 2: keeps on cutting himself, stays in his house twenty four seven,
Speaker 2: play some terrible games that just came out sixty year
Speaker 2: old and it's bad, it's sad.
Speaker 1: Let me let me ask you a question. So, how
Speaker 1: did you become the youngest therapist in the European Union?
Speaker 1: What is the process of that?
Speaker 2: Well, the process of it, and it's a little bit
Speaker 2: of bribery, but it's mostly to.
Speaker 9: Do with that I graduated very early from school.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you know, yeah and yeah, so so if
Speaker 1: you're not finished, I want to let you finish. So
Speaker 1: what so Okay, So you see people, you listen to
Speaker 1: people who you know have problems. Maybe they're suicidal, or
Speaker 1: they cut themselves or you know, have have behavior problems.
Speaker 1: What is it that you have? What? What have you
Speaker 1: learned in your education and in your what things that
Speaker 1: you had to learn to become a licensed therapist? What
Speaker 1: have you learned about why people do these things? And
Speaker 1: what you in your job might be able to do
Speaker 1: to help them?
Speaker 2: That that is the well is that are at least
Speaker 2: that they're people, at least in Austria or in the
Speaker 2: in the old Europe where the old men smoke cigarettes
Speaker 2: in front of the bars and have a cafe and
Speaker 2: things like that. In this there's a very old type
Speaker 2: of psychology. You know in the movies when you sit
Speaker 2: down and you say, oh, my therapist, I'm sad. You know,
Speaker 2: they sit in one of those chairs that you have. Right,
Speaker 2: This is the kind of therapy that we are taught
Speaker 2: and it is not an effective type of therapy. And
Speaker 2: therefore many therapists in modern era have to improvise, and
Speaker 2: they have to They have to be human, they have
Speaker 2: to be social. And the only thing that I can
Speaker 2: that I can tell them, or that I can explain
Speaker 2: to a person that is depressed for example, is I
Speaker 2: mean for of course, for every situation it's different. You
Speaker 2: have to get to know a person before you know
Speaker 2: what to say, because they because the way that my
Speaker 2: at least most therapistes here in Europe were no idea
Speaker 2: about Americas. But they basically explain to.
Speaker 9: You who they are as a person.
Speaker 2: And if they do not effectively tell you the way
Speaker 2: that they think, of course, as a therapist, I have
Speaker 2: to of course calculate with my brain of course how
Speaker 2: they think, what they do. If I see how they
Speaker 2: will they behave things like that. But still what is
Speaker 2: very important is that.
Speaker 9: People think that therapy is a quick stop.
Speaker 2: And goal, like a set eleven in that neighborhood. They
Speaker 2: can just come in, grab a bag of chips and
Speaker 2: they're not hungry anymore. Sure, and that's what people expect.
Speaker 2: And when I see these people come in like I see,
Speaker 2: I saw this thirteen year old kids bipolar disorder, takes
Speaker 2: antidepressed and things like that, and they talk about different
Speaker 2: things which I can you know, say, but they clearly
Speaker 2: have problems and the biggest, really the biggest problem that
Speaker 2: there is is this this idea of self identity.
Speaker 9: Who am I? What do I want in life?
Speaker 2: Because all they see is they see these other people.
Speaker 2: They glory, they glorify other people, and they want to
Speaker 2: become this person. But it is it's like when you
Speaker 2: know those like eight year old kids that watched mister Beast,
Speaker 2: You're never going to be mister Best. I mean my
Speaker 2: father told me I was never going to be a
Speaker 2: Slatin ni Ruhimovic. You know, I'm not going to be
Speaker 2: a soccer player. Yeah, it's it's not it's not something
Speaker 2: that's capable, and they can't understand this. It's one of
Speaker 2: the points.
Speaker 1: So you feel like people are having are having this
Speaker 1: dissonance swear. They want to be something that you feel
Speaker 1: is is not within the scope of their reality, and
Speaker 1: that's bringing them unhappiness.
Speaker 2: Right because they they put themselves on such a high shelf.
Speaker 2: They put themselves on such a high shelf, and they
Speaker 2: expect themselves. Oh, if I'm not like this, then I'm
Speaker 2: not normal. And that's why I have to get my
Speaker 2: hair colors to get attention. That's why I have to
Speaker 2: cut myself because I hate myself as a person. Now
Speaker 2: this is different with everybody, but this is like a
Speaker 2: very large group, at least of I'd say this new era,
Speaker 2: the new generation of people, and my age approximately a
Speaker 2: bit younger.
Speaker 1: Well, as I'm curious about you as a person, dominic,
Speaker 1: what are what do you do? You do you have problems?
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I mean everyone has problems.
Speaker 2: What I mean I'm an I mean I'm an extreme
Speaker 2: alcoholic as most German or Austrian men are.
Speaker 1: Okay, but.
Speaker 2: Smoker of course.
Speaker 9: And when I was a teenager, you know, deal a
Speaker 9: little bit.
Speaker 2: Of drugs, but that's normal in the district.
Speaker 10: But otherwise, I mean, I myself am doing fine. I
Speaker 10: have you know, I have a girlfriend. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 10: it's all fine. I don't do anything really except for
Speaker 10: help people, because the only thing that I care about
Speaker 10: is others, not myself.
Speaker 2: Other people come first. That might be a negative, but
Speaker 2: to me it is a positive.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm hm. So when I mean so, so, when
Speaker 1: you do experience any kind of problems or issues or
Speaker 1: how you know how a smaller big they are? What
Speaker 1: how do you deal with difficult things in your life?
Speaker 2: Well, due to the way that I have been raised,
Speaker 2: I was raised by an old Jewish man, my father.
Speaker 2: That's why I speak a bit of Yiddish. That's why
Speaker 2: what the Chad says.
Speaker 9: Well, I am and I don't even know.
Speaker 2: What that means. I only know a couple of words,
Speaker 2: swear words or you know, king da Lia, things like that.
Speaker 2: He taught me the old way of thinking, the old
Speaker 2: way of how men should behave They should keep things
Speaker 2: inside on themselves, and they should be aggressive when they want.
Speaker 9: To, or they can just pent it up, you know,
Speaker 9: the old.
Speaker 2: Way, the typical stereotypical house speeder from the nineteen seventies way,
Speaker 2: I guess right.
Speaker 9: And as I like.
Speaker 2: The ideology, I like the ideology not because it because
Speaker 2: it affects other people.
Speaker 7: I like the.
Speaker 2: Ideology because it teaches a man. And this is this
Speaker 2: is something that also has died with the age.
Speaker 9: Is this idea that.
Speaker 2: A man has to keep to himself? Yeah, okay, he
Speaker 2: is to.
Speaker 9: Is to clear his own bullshit, as they say.
Speaker 3: So you.
Speaker 1: So you so you kind of take out of that,
Speaker 1: like so your father kind of told you that, like
Speaker 1: men kind of keep their feelings inside and like keep
Speaker 1: it bottled up. And that's kind of what you've been doing.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of what you've been doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And now, of course this is ruin. I think
Speaker 2: two generations of men approximately, But I think that it
Speaker 2: is a if you know how to like with a
Speaker 2: hand grenade, if you make sure that you don't set
Speaker 2: it off, it will be fine. Put it in the fridge.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not gonna hurt anybody.
Speaker 1: So so this this method for you, for you least,
Speaker 1: this this method of you know, a man, she's keeping
Speaker 1: feelings inside and and kind of grow up and all
Speaker 1: this this has worked for you and been a positive
Speaker 1: thing for you in your life.
Speaker 9: Well, I and yes, I do have to actually.
Speaker 2: Admit to something before I continue my conversation.
Speaker 9: I am inebriated as hell, so I might have said
Speaker 9: some with retardations.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. But okay, just for
Speaker 2: the context, I should have mentioned that earlier, probably, but yes.
Speaker 9: Yeah, repeat the question because I'm too forgetful to think.
Speaker 1: Okay, By the way, man, let's say I just so
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't want to talk on a
Speaker 1: podcast right now because you're drunk, I would, Oh, I.
Speaker 9: Really do not care. I mean, I have nobody knows
Speaker 9: my name anyway way, so it's fine. I mean, nobody
Speaker 9: in the world knows me except for my client.
Speaker 2: And they don't really give a shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think of what I was asking you.
Speaker 1: I was asking you. You said that, Okay, you said
Speaker 1: your father told you that, you know, to be a man,
Speaker 1: you got to hold your feelings in and kind of
Speaker 1: very traditional masculine stuff. And I'm asking you the stuff
Speaker 1: that he told you. Has it been working for you
Speaker 1: and has it been a positive thing for you in
Speaker 1: your life?
Speaker 2: Yes, But of course with everything you have to learn.
Speaker 2: When I was a child, it was of course a
Speaker 2: problem because it was because when you were a child,
Speaker 2: you're you want to be social, you want to do things,
Speaker 2: you want to scream out to people, you want.
Speaker 9: To you know, how you behave when you're young, and
Speaker 9: that was a.
Speaker 2: Big problem because my father always told me to shut.
Speaker 9: My mouth and to never never, you know, not to not.
Speaker 2: To be a loud mouth. Yeah, and it was a
Speaker 2: problem for me for let's say, a few years. But
Speaker 2: then after a bit of self analyzing, I believe that
Speaker 2: I have perfected this method, I guess to an extent.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've you've perfected your own version of the
Speaker 1: way of being that your father taught you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is that is that kind of the this the
Speaker 1: type of mythology, mythology methodology that you you uh share
Speaker 1: with your clients.
Speaker 9: M No, the because the.
Speaker 2: I'm a.
Speaker 9: I'm a very honest person.
Speaker 2: And even even I'm a therapist. Of course it's a therapist.
Speaker 2: You have to be a bit careful. You can't just say, oh,
Speaker 2: you look stupid, you should stop sucking cutting yourself. You
Speaker 2: can't just say that out loud, right.
Speaker 11: Okay, But of course you have to like jump around
Speaker 11: the fence with things and you have to say, oh,
Speaker 11: do it.
Speaker 9: Like this, do it like that? But I do not really,
Speaker 9: I'm not. I'm not like a dictator.
Speaker 2: Of a certain time in the thirties.
Speaker 9: I don't make them do things, you know, Okay, that's
Speaker 9: not what.
Speaker 1: I'm going for there, Sure, sure, sure yeah.
Speaker 2: M m hmm. I know this is a very weird call.
Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know why. Why do you
Speaker 1: feel like this is a weird call?
Speaker 9: No, because because it's some drunk therapist calling a gecko.
Speaker 9: I have no idea that you know what?
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, that is that is uh right apparently a
Speaker 1: little funny. Yes, I agree, yeah, huh do you feel
Speaker 1: I'm do you feel like this, this kind of the
Speaker 1: stuff that you were talking about your father teaching you
Speaker 1: from Europe? Is that like a European thing? Like from
Speaker 1: your perspective, do you feel like that's kind of a
Speaker 1: popular sentiment in Europe more so than in America.
Speaker 9: Well, my father, my father is an old man. Yeah,
Speaker 9: and he is he was he got kids when he
Speaker 9: was older.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like sixty four or something. I don't even remember.
Speaker 2: But it's he has a more seventies and six era
Speaker 2: of thinking from Europe specifically, I assume, because I mean
Speaker 2: if I don't think he really watches any eighties in
Speaker 2: television in his age. So no, I do not believe
Speaker 2: that it's an American way of thinking. I believe that
Speaker 2: it because specifically, the way that that he taught me was.
Speaker 9: It was very proper, a very It's like what.
Speaker 2: The British called posh. It's like a posh way of thinking,
Speaker 2: I guess, right. Mental.
Speaker 1: So for you, like all right, so so look, I mean,
Speaker 1: you became a licensed therapist at twenty one. Well, for
Speaker 1: for you, man, what's like the what's the rest of
Speaker 1: your life look like? What do you what do you
Speaker 1: aspire towards? Well?
Speaker 9: Uh, well, what I what I mostly do is I'm
Speaker 9: an audio technica.
Speaker 2: I do not exactly know the translation an audio technique
Speaker 2: and audio take care. You're right. I repair cassette machines,
Speaker 2: record players, things like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, you do that like as a hobby in addition
Speaker 1: to the therapy.
Speaker 2: No, I sell it. You know. It's like the shitty
Speaker 2: knockoff version of eBay but for Austria, okay, And I
Speaker 2: do it there and stuff. It's it's fun because I
Speaker 2: have I always have seventies headphones. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of old school, old school technology everywhere. And German, of
Speaker 2: course is well built stuff. So mhm yeah, that's uh,
Speaker 2: that's most That's mostly all I do. If I'm not
Speaker 2: doing the other m hm.
Speaker 1: So you're mostly either doing your therapy or recording cassettes
Speaker 1: or not recording repairing electronics. Yeah, with your girlfriends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, girlfriends multiple runs. No, I do not get any
Speaker 2: women except one.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, well fascinating. Why do you say you said
Speaker 1: at the very beginning you have you don't know why
Speaker 1: I have this job. Why do you say that? And
Speaker 1: I won't be say okay.
Speaker 2: So whatevering's so into fascinating because uh in in Germany
Speaker 2: and in Austria, which is.
Speaker 9: Kind of the same thing. But you will be shocked
Speaker 9: if you say.
Speaker 11: That there's like, there's not a lot of good comedians.
Speaker 11: There's not a lot of Also, I don't know what
Speaker 11: you would call yourself, but I a bit small.
Speaker 2: Of a comedian, I guess because it is.
Speaker 9: It's it's a concept. It's a small concept. You have
Speaker 9: a little bit of a show. I do not know
Speaker 9: how big you are really, but yeah, it's so.
Speaker 2: Interesting that that's such a simple concept of some American
Speaker 2: fellows sitting on a couch talking to people with a.
Speaker 9: Hotline as if it's nineteen ninety five and I'm watching
Speaker 9: like some Christmas specials and then.
Speaker 2: It's a oh, you can call Santa if you call
Speaker 2: this number. You know, Okay, I mean it's mental, it's mental.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think, yes, undeniably, undeniably a little bit,
Speaker 1: a little bit, a little bit wild of an idea
Speaker 1: for sure. May may I.
Speaker 2: Ask, May I ask something that that potentially is uh appropriate? Sure, okay,
Speaker 2: let me let me let me get the stuft turgeon
Speaker 2: with this, With this job that you have, do you
Speaker 2: get more of an appeal with women or not?
Speaker 1: Oh? You're asking. Look, I mean, the entire reason why
Speaker 1: I dress up in a in a gecko costume and
Speaker 1: paint my face green. You know, it's always been, you know,
Speaker 1: to to appeal to women. Well, I mean, from you do.
Speaker 2: Look like a bad reenactment of what's his name Jimmy
Speaker 2: Carries the Grinch?
Speaker 12: Right, Okay, I mean it's I mean, honestly, I love
Speaker 12: your enthusiasm, even with this conversation.
Speaker 9: Honestly, you're You're a good man.
Speaker 2: And I hope that even when you when you're fifty
Speaker 2: eight or whatever age.
Speaker 9: You die of plastic toxic whatever the Americans call it,
Speaker 9: you sit retired in your with a shape like a gecko,
Speaker 9: and you smoke a nice gecko shaped cigar.
Speaker 1: You know, thank you, Thank you, Dominic. I appreciate that
Speaker 1: blessing from you. I feel like I don't get a
Speaker 1: whole lot of non American callers, so it's nice to
Speaker 1: hear from you and get your perspective on.
Speaker 2: Well, you do have an American basis, a very big
Speaker 2: American basis. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Hey, get this, I'm coming to Europe. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to I mean, I'm going to Germany. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to Uh.
Speaker 2: When you stay in Europe that that's like eight different countries.
Speaker 2: I mean we're where it's.
Speaker 1: More than eight. It's more than eight. Fucking were you Germany, Amsterdam, Sweden, Norway,
Speaker 1: all sorts of.
Speaker 2: Meetings perfect I half Swedish.
Speaker 9: That's why my accent sounds kind of fuck.
Speaker 1: Look. To be honest, I probably couldn't tell the difference
Speaker 1: between an Austrian accident and a.
Speaker 2: Sweet but yeah, it's it's such as It's like it's
Speaker 2: like when an American, because when an American says Europe,
Speaker 2: that's that's pretty like grace they of the Union. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, you know, it's just a bad taste
Speaker 2: in the mouth. That's like calling uh, Chicago the same
Speaker 2: as New York. It's like, oh, they're ridixt to each other.
Speaker 1: You know. Well, listen, it's probably like what five o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't worry. Yeah it's seven twenty two am.
Speaker 9: I've been on hold since like six or five.
Speaker 2: I have not so I don't really care.
Speaker 1: Well, well, well, look, I'm not a real therapist, but
Speaker 1: you should probably go to I know.
Speaker 2: That's that's why I wanted to insult you little explain
Speaker 2: a little things you know a little bit of what's
Speaker 2: it called. I don't even know the name. I'm too drunk. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: whatever it was, way do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, Well, whatever it was, thanks for grace and
Speaker 1: me with it, and I'll hope you have a good
Speaker 1: rest of your morning.
Speaker 2: I'm always going to speed. I'm always going to speed.
Speaker 2: So I called the number. If you need real therapeutic facts,
Speaker 2: you know, I sure will thank you, dominic perfect like
Speaker 2: you should.
Speaker 1: Well, all right, I guess if I ever want to
Speaker 1: start a European therapy Goto branch, we have a guy.
Speaker 1: They goes on the line making your phone calls.
Speaker 12: Every nine never Beakon goes to hide. I'm just teaching your.
Speaker 4: Cloud in your life.
Speaker 12: He's not really an expert.