WEBVTT - Hour 2 - Joe Vardon (07-14-20)

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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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<v Speaker 1>Sports Radio. We'll join us and get his thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>who he thinks is now the favorite or the Lakers

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<v Speaker 1>still the favorites to win the NBA title. Mcluvin, did

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<v Speaker 1>we come up with a pole question in the first hour?

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<v Speaker 1>We did not. We got sidetracked. Okay, tool discussion. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>well man hit me with the possibilities here. Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys did not want to go with my tool question.

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<v Speaker 1>We were having a debate over here about best defensive player.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had a pole, but PAULI wants to redo that.

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<v Speaker 1>I gave my top five defensive players, So we'll get

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<v Speaker 1>to that in a minute. On the NBA, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think they start on time? Yes? Or no? Based on

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<v Speaker 1>the early test too in Orlando, I'm gonna say yes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna say yes. I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic and

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<v Speaker 1>say yes it starts on time. I'm curious about James

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<v Speaker 1>Harden and when he gets to Orlando, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I do like the Rockets as a dark horse here.

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<v Speaker 1>But Russell Westbrook has already tested positive and by all

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<v Speaker 1>accounts pretty successful that I think they had two tests

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<v Speaker 1>inside the bubble test positive, I should say over three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred tests. So we'll talk to Joe Varden about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But the safety precautions that are put in play, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel a whole lot better about that season than any

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<v Speaker 1>other season that might take place this summer. What else,

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<v Speaker 1>Cleve Okay, Tomorrow is Dak Prescott Day, the last day

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<v Speaker 1>to sign. I'm going to give you an offer. You

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<v Speaker 1>can sign one of these three quarterbacks to a five

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<v Speaker 1>year or two hundred million dollar deal, which is right

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<v Speaker 1>away where Dak we're probably rumored to be. You get

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<v Speaker 1>to Seawn Watson, Dak Prescott or Carson Wentz, who is

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that you would sign first, knowing all things

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<v Speaker 1>about health included everything about them. Well, Wentz already got

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<v Speaker 1>his deal, right. I would probably go to Shawn Watson,

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<v Speaker 1>but my concern is he doesn't have anywhere near the

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<v Speaker 1>challenge around him. I'm not confident with his head coach

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<v Speaker 1>Snice GM. I feel a little better with Dak Prescott

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<v Speaker 1>in the hands of Mike McCarthy and they've spent money

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<v Speaker 1>on an offense. I'd probably do Dak Prescott because it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like they have everything in place right now. Offensive line,

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<v Speaker 1>running back they spent money on their wide receivers. So

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<v Speaker 1>as a quarterback, I have everything that I need to

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<v Speaker 1>be successful. Carson Wentz does not have that. In Deshaun

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<v Speaker 1>Watson does not have that. I think are those quarterbacks

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<v Speaker 1>are probably better. If there was an open market, an

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<v Speaker 1>open draft, Wenson Watson would go before Dak Prescott. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taking Dak Prescott because of everything I get with Dallas. Yes, mcclub,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's such a good point piece When the Eagles,

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's injured on the Eagles, Carson has to run around

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<v Speaker 1>to make plays. Yeah, I don't want him doing too much.

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<v Speaker 1>Deshaun Watson is the same way. When they press, he

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<v Speaker 1>makes plays on his own and he gets risks. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Polly Watson. He was sacked more than any other quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty eighteen sixty two times. That dropped a forty

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<v Speaker 1>four times last year. It seems to be going in

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<v Speaker 1>the right direction and is passing. He's a sixty seven

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<v Speaker 1>percent pass or four thousand yards, twenty six touchdowns, twelve picks.

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<v Speaker 1>He runs a little, but not a lot. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>he's not, you know, the leading rusher in the league,

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<v Speaker 1>but his sacks are down his being sacked. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have great weapons though, that's my problem. And they

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<v Speaker 1>traded their best one. Yeah, and I just Bill O'Brien

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<v Speaker 1>as a play caller and offensive minded guy. But you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have an offensive minded team. Yeah, mclub. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you pay Dak all that money, then are you're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to keep these weapons around him? Is

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<v Speaker 1>in a catch twenty two? Well, you've paid everybody, Dak

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<v Speaker 1>the last guy, Marii Cooper got paid before Dak did,

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<v Speaker 1>and Zeke Elliott we know got paid. Offensive lineman have

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<v Speaker 1>gotten paid. It's now Dak Prescott and that's the final

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<v Speaker 1>piece if this team is going to win a Super Bowl? Now,

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<v Speaker 1>do I want to give him five years? No? He

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<v Speaker 1>wants four years. The Cowboys wanting for five. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if they're doing that because of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what that salary's going to look like, how they spread

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<v Speaker 1>that out, whatever, against the cap and all of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>But it feels that both sides know exactly where the

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<v Speaker 1>breaking point is. That's usually what happens in a negotiation,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you know now they haven't spoken, I believe negotiated

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<v Speaker 1>since March. That would be a little more nerve racking

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<v Speaker 1>I think concerning because let's say he doesn't get a

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<v Speaker 1>four year deal or they don't get a five year deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you franchise him, and which is what I would

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<v Speaker 1>have done in the beginning. I would franchise him and

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<v Speaker 1>then franchise him again. I still get the feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>Dallas is not quite sure that what they have with Dak.

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<v Speaker 1>I just get that feeling. And do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>pay him that money? Is he truly one of these

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<v Speaker 1>great quarterbacks? But what happens is we go can you

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<v Speaker 1>believe what Kirk Cousins got? And then you move on

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<v Speaker 1>to the next guy, and then you believe Jared Goff

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<v Speaker 1>and what and then you move on from that guy,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Russell Wilson and then you move on from him,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll move on from Dak Prenscott not as fast

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<v Speaker 1>because people love clickbait and they love to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>Dak Prescott. Is he worth that money? Did they make

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake and not signing him do a five year due?

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<v Speaker 1>Why did they give him four years? Did Dak make

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake signing four not? I mean, this is what's

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. But Dak Prescott, by all accounts, even

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<v Speaker 1>if they franchise you is going to be well compensated, Yample.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no middle ground at the quarterback position. You either

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<v Speaker 1>pay him full boat or you move on. There is

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<v Speaker 1>really a zero middle ground. Guys like Mike Glennon will

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<v Speaker 1>get a year for fifteen million, or case Keenum will

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<v Speaker 1>get two years for twenty million. That's kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>where you are if your career journeyman backup or your

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<v Speaker 1>max deal guy. And Dak Prescott he's twenty six five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand yards and thirty touchdowns last year. He's definitely not

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<v Speaker 1>even close to you know, if Jamis Winston, where he's

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<v Speaker 1>more of a detriment than a help. He's the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know. This goes back to and I

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<v Speaker 1>never understood this, and they've since changed it. The number

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<v Speaker 1>one pick in the draft was going to get fifty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars, remember Sam Bradford and JaMarcus Russell, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>going leait, You're the highest paid quarterback in the league

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<v Speaker 1>day one, and I don't know if you can play,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just seemed backwards. Now they finally changed it

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<v Speaker 1>where they go, oh yeah, they should probably come in

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<v Speaker 1>and prove themselves. This is another situation. Every quarterback who

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<v Speaker 1>steps up is not better than the previous quarterback who

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<v Speaker 1>stepped up and got paid. Like, at some point you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have financial sanity where you go. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know he's supposed to make a dollar more than

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<v Speaker 1>Russell Wilson, but you know your quarterback's not better than

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<v Speaker 1>Russell Wilson. Sorry, we're gonna pay you this. When's the

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<v Speaker 1>last time a quarterback and I'm going to say, well

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<v Speaker 1>known quarterback got paid less than somebody because it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like like Aaron Rodgers is a bargain. What's Aaron Rodgers make?

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<v Speaker 1>It feels like I don't know. I mean, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get paid a whole lot if he's still on the team.

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<v Speaker 1>But you start to look at these quarterbacks and you go,

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<v Speaker 1>Drew Brees twenty five million, that's a bargain. But it

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<v Speaker 1>feels like that next quarterback, well, he's got to make

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<v Speaker 1>more than that guy. Well, we know that's not going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen with Patrick Mahomes. Nobody's making more than him.

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<v Speaker 1>But Deshaun Watson, he's gonna make more than Dak Prescott, right,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah po. Aaron Rodgers signed before the twenty eighteen season

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, he's gonna make a total of like

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine million dollars. That's a bargain. Yeah, And his

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<v Speaker 1>max deal in twenty twenty one, at age thirty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>will be thirty six million dollars. That's the most he

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<v Speaker 1>can make, and that might be a bargain as well,

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<v Speaker 1>if he's still with the team. It feels like he'd

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<v Speaker 1>still be with the team, but that'd be it after that. Yes, mcleven,

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<v Speaker 1>I have another It's a more specific poll question, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's more a philosophical one. Bear with me, who would

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<v Speaker 1>you pay first? Two guys who are up tomorrow? Running

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<v Speaker 1>back Derrick Henry of the Titans or defensive tackle Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Jones or the Kansas City Chiefs, two of your favorite guys.

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<v Speaker 1>But you have to pay Chris Jones a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>than Derrick Henry. That's a fact. Am I gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay twice as much for Chris Jones as I

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<v Speaker 1>am Derrick Henry. Oh, I don't know. It'll be at

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<v Speaker 1>least three quarters. Yeah, it'll be significantly more. Like which

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<v Speaker 1>is a bigger priority, the superstar defensive tackle or the

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<v Speaker 1>what Derrick Henry means to So Derrick Henry is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be fifteen million. Right, He's already been franchised, hasn't he? Right,

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<v Speaker 1>they have both those guys are franchised and they're working

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<v Speaker 1>on the deal there. They could could be signed by tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>If not, then they go into the season with franchise

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<v Speaker 1>tacks and Chris Jones may not report at all. If

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<v Speaker 1>he does all that, I'm gonna take Derrick Henry, and

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<v Speaker 1>I believe both players at the same age. They're both

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six. I'm gonna take Derrick Henry. I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>signing up a running back for that second deal. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, if I could get Derrick Henry for

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<v Speaker 1>three years, then I would give him. I'd give him

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen seventeen million. I give him a little bit extra

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<v Speaker 1>because Derrick Henry put you on the cusp of going

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<v Speaker 1>to the Super Bowl. And Chris Jones helped you win

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<v Speaker 1>a super Bowl, but Derrick Henry almost singleheadedly got you too,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the precipice of playing in the Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'd say Derrick Henry cost me a little less,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't want him for more than three years

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<v Speaker 1>because of that style. If I got him for three

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<v Speaker 1>and he's done at twenty nine, then I've gotten my

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<v Speaker 1>money's worth out of Derrick Henry. Chris Jones is a

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<v Speaker 1>good player, but it feels like Chris Jones might not

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<v Speaker 1>be happy no matter what happens here, and that's an

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<v Speaker 1>issue that you're gonna have to deal with as well. Yeah, mclub.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you once say though, that the Chiefs would not

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<v Speaker 1>have won the Super Bowl without Chris Jones? I remember

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<v Speaker 1>you said something like one specific game. Yeah, was it

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<v Speaker 1>the Super Bowl game and one of the playoff games? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the Super Bowl where he knocked down those passes

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<v Speaker 1>and if those are completed, then the Niners are going

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<v Speaker 1>to win the Super Bowl. He stepped up and had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of big moments there, and that's a defense

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<v Speaker 1>that's not great. But as you know, I am Echo

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<v Speaker 1>Chamber here when I talk about at some point during

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<v Speaker 1>the season, somebody on your defense will have to make

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<v Speaker 1>a big play for you to win a Super Bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>It happens down through history. You can have the greatest offense,

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<v Speaker 1>you can have all the weapons, somebody has to make

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<v Speaker 1>a play on defense, and sometimes that happens. Sometimes it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when the Patriots lost to the Eagles, they

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<v Speaker 1>had all the offense you'd ever need, Brady, they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>punt five hundred yards passing. No one made a play.

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm Butler makes a play With all that offense the

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<v Speaker 1>Patriots had, Malcolm Butler makes a play to win the

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<v Speaker 1>Super Bowl. Steelers all that great offensive weapons. James Harrison

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<v Speaker 1>makes the interception on Kurt Warner and takes it back

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of the first half. Chris Jones Kansas

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<v Speaker 1>City the best offense in football, one of the best

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<v Speaker 1>we've ever seen. If Chris Jones doesn't knock down those passes,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't win the Super Bowl. Yeah. Pull Chris Jones

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<v Speaker 1>and the Super Bowl. The defensive tackle. His stat line

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<v Speaker 1>was no tackles, one assisted tackle, no sacks, no quarterback hits.

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<v Speaker 1>But he had three batted down balls in the last

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes of the game. And they're all on crucial

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<v Speaker 1>plays ye crucial places. I mean, he easily could have

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<v Speaker 1>had MVP, almost like Santonio Holmes rapidly. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>have you seen the Cam Newton hype video, Because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in I'm ready to go my Patriots, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>do we have the audio of this? Can we uh

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<v Speaker 1>play this? This it's like a black It looks like

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<v Speaker 1>it's a movie, but it's shot in black and white.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like it's early morning and he's working out

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<v Speaker 1>and yescause jarts did him now? Feel like he needs

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<v Speaker 1>to answer that in his own hype video becas now

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like Cam's definitely the week one started after

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<v Speaker 1>watching that. All right. This is a portion of Cam

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<v Speaker 1>Newton's hype video while working out. You know what made

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<v Speaker 1>it different? Is Dyin' ever seen its? Cam? Dyin ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen him? Scaus? You want to know how I know

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<v Speaker 1>she ain't ever seen him? The forgotten Cam? No it

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<v Speaker 1>own Cam tired of being sick of tire camp. I

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<v Speaker 1>felt like I was just left to die. I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 1>just just just just just over with for him. He

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<v Speaker 1>ain't the same player. M hm. You know what made

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<v Speaker 1>this different is they ain't never seen this camp? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>So aside from you know, Hawkinson Lugi's there, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of gross. Yeah, it was a morning workout there. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ready went oh, Cam went, third person is they ain't

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen this camp? Yeah? I went, oh, okay, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you know that? WHOA that's a great luck and

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<v Speaker 1>a Patriots just got interesting. I love that he goes

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<v Speaker 1>the sick and tired of being sick and tired. Yes, dude, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh the Patriots are interesting. Love that cam. They got

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<v Speaker 1>some personality that would be great if Jared's did Him

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<v Speaker 1>came out with one. Jared's ready to complete a third Natan. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Jared is ready to work hard in the be the

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<v Speaker 1>first locker room. They've never seen this Jared either. I've

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<v Speaker 1>never they've never seen this did him? The new One? Wait?

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<v Speaker 1>Was that? Was that your your Jared? Boys there? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the hype video that was the white guy. Never actually

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<v Speaker 1>seen this version of me either, because he can't get

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<v Speaker 1>away with going third person. They've never seen this Jared before.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared's ready for his opportunity to shine as well. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what I'd like to do is just see

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<v Speaker 1>the MRI of your shoulder and your foot and then

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be good. But that those would be the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to see the hype video. I enjoyed it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'd rather see the MRI of your older and

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<v Speaker 1>your foot and never seen this roteria. Yeah, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>probably have. That's what I would want to see. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that he's back at twenty fifteen even just

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<v Speaker 1>like a reasonable facsimile of twenty fifteen camp. Would anyone

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<v Speaker 1>in this room bet that Jarrett Stidham makes more starts

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<v Speaker 1>for the Patriots, more starts than Cam Newton. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm a Sidham guy, old school, just because all

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<v Speaker 1>those reporters are saying that the Patriots wanted to give

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<v Speaker 1>him the job and he's good. Well, they got Cam

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<v Speaker 1>at a price they couldn't pass up on. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the key that there's very little financial

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<v Speaker 1>risk here and the reward could be yeah, very very

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<v Speaker 1>high ceiling here. I am curious about how Stidham processes

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<v Speaker 1>this where he's like, no, bring on the competution, can't

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<v Speaker 1>have too many Auburn quarterbacks in camp? Or do you go?

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as he stands side by side with Cam

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<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden he's going, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>what am I doing here? That's a problem with being

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<v Speaker 1>on the same team with Cam. Well, no, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a model. But I'm talking about when he's out there

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<v Speaker 1>working out. Yeah, he's gonna look small a sudden he seems,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Cam being Cam. If that's the case, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>to do you shark Jack and Jill got a little

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<v Speaker 1>too mean spirited Firstadim, what was it putting the two

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<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks to get a Jack and Jill cam Newton being

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<v Speaker 1>the Jack's muscular one. Gonna take a break. You had

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<v Speaker 1>a good monday, I will say you had a damn

0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.560
<v Speaker 1>good monday. And Bruce Smith was a good booking. But man,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a whole new hour and it all went

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<v Speaker 1>to the way side as good as your last before.

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<v Speaker 1>Jack and Jill, and you know what, I can see

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<v Speaker 1>you're working on it. That was yeah, But that's the

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<v Speaker 1>problem to cant can't you work shop these things and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't always have to verbalize everything, but you do,

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<v Speaker 1>you do. Gonna take a break. We're gonna venture into

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<v Speaker 1>the NBA bubble. Coming up. Joe vardnew covers the NBA

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<v Speaker 1>for the athletic or the Lakers still the team to beat?

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<v Speaker 1>back on the program. Joe, where are you right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Cornado Springs in Lake Buena Vista, Florida. Okay, Now, how

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<v Speaker 1>much access freedom do you have to come and go

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<v Speaker 1>inside the hotel. So what I've been doing is when

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<v Speaker 1>I get a knock on my door for my food,

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<v Speaker 1>I opened the door very slowly and I stand on

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<v Speaker 1>both sides of the of the door for several seconds

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<v Speaker 1>to milk as much fresh air as I can out

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<v Speaker 1>of picking up my food. Because that's it. The only

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<v Speaker 1>time you can open your doors to pick up your

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<v Speaker 1>food or to step outside for just a second to

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<v Speaker 1>get the COVID test. That's the only freedom I have

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<v Speaker 1>for the until Monday. Can you visit other members of

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<v Speaker 1>the media. No, you can't walk down the hall. No.

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<v Speaker 1>And first of all, uh, you know with with most

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<v Speaker 1>of the Disney hotels, it's not um they aren't Marriotts,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's more of a motel. Feel like the hall

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<v Speaker 1>There is no hallway, it's just outside. Okay, Um, but

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<v Speaker 1>yeah I can't. Yeah, you can't do anything. But how

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<v Speaker 1>long does this go? For? UM? As long as I

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<v Speaker 1>continue to test negative uh for the virus, I will

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<v Speaker 1>be allowed out of quarantine on Monday. So it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a seven or eight day quarantine any yard time.

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<v Speaker 1>This feels like Shawshank redemption. Can you hit the wage? No?

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<v Speaker 1>And um, I just finished uh my second workout in quarantine,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I do a hundred push ups, sit up, squats, crunches,

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<v Speaker 1>uh dips, and burpies, and then I run from see

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<v Speaker 1>if I could do this on my camp right here.

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<v Speaker 1>I run from that sync to that door and back

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<v Speaker 1>for twenty minutes. It was a little over two miles.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's my yard time, my man. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I wiped the sweat up off the floor and try

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<v Speaker 1>to clean up and turn this into a workspace. I

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<v Speaker 1>did shower, did shower. We're coming on. How confident are

0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.640
<v Speaker 1>you this is? We'll start on time and that will

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<v Speaker 1>actually crown a champion one hundred percent on the start time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're great. And I don't know. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I still am in that stage where I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>they've done this right and they've done this well and

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<v Speaker 1>it will probably work. And I don't even want to

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<v Speaker 1>say maybe. I mean, I really think that this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. Maybe it's in part because of all

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<v Speaker 1>the protocols I have to go through, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>feel like everybody here is doing it for the most part.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing that feels the best is I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>if if you step out of line and do something dangerous.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to catch you. Uh and you will be

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<v Speaker 1>punished as we have seen already with these two guys

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<v Speaker 1>who have broken quarantine, and explain what they did to

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<v Speaker 1>break quarantine, Like how how does that happen that you're

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<v Speaker 1>ordering food and it's being delivered? And did somebody rat

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<v Speaker 1>out one of these players or both of these players? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think so. I mean, um, you know what we

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<v Speaker 1>with the case of of Bruno, Um, he was I

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<v Speaker 1>think he had a buddy who was trying who is

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<v Speaker 1>going to drive him up something that he wanted, like

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<v Speaker 1>something to wear, um, while while he was while he

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<v Speaker 1>was down here, and just lost his mind. Like you,

0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 1>it's so unequivocally clear that that you cannot leave your

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<v Speaker 1>room while you're in quarantine. Um. And then of the

0:21:47.520 --> 0:21:49.840
<v Speaker 1>case with the case of Holmes, right, like he went

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<v Speaker 1>too far and picking up the food that that he

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<v Speaker 1>had ordered. Um, you know, I mean, I guess you

0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:57.439
<v Speaker 1>can call these mistakes, but they really they aren't. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's more of just um not being used to

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<v Speaker 1>having to follow a certain set of rules and uh

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<v Speaker 1>and and you know, I think that reality is going

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<v Speaker 1>to set in here. I like the rockets as a

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<v Speaker 1>dark horse here, we'll get into who you like and

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<v Speaker 1>are the Lakers still the favorites here? But Russell Westbrook

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<v Speaker 1>testing positive, he's acknowledged that he tested positive. We're still

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<v Speaker 1>waiting for James Harden. Yeah, but what is there a

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<v Speaker 1>reason why he's not there? Yeah, I mean, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's because of the virus um. He just has

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<v Speaker 1>chosen not to announce it. And the teams can't do

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<v Speaker 1>it unless they have the player's permission. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as of a couple days ago, you had Mike D'Antoni saying, well,

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<v Speaker 1>these three players aren't here and we can't say why. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Russ kind of comes out yesterday and says

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<v Speaker 1>that he has in fact had the virus. And then

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<v Speaker 1>just the timeframe, so Westbrook is going to start on time? Uh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know that. I mean, we don't know. You

0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:03.920
<v Speaker 1>have D'Antoni saying, first earlier in the week, well, yeah,

0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:06.680
<v Speaker 1>they'll all probably be here by midweek, and then last

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<v Speaker 1>night it was well I hope that's what happens. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure. I mean, here's here are the rules. Once

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<v Speaker 1>you test positive, Okay, if you have to have it,

0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.119
<v Speaker 1>you have to have these things. You have to be asymptomatic,

0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:22.639
<v Speaker 1>you have to record two consecutive negative tests over a

0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:25.760
<v Speaker 1>period of longer than twenty four hours. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>go through a complete medical screening, and then for if

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:33.440
<v Speaker 1>you're a player, you have to clear a heart screening

0:23:33.920 --> 0:23:39.160
<v Speaker 1>because apparently there's some cardio related issues here. So those

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<v Speaker 1>are the rules. When they got sick, we don't know,

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.439
<v Speaker 1>or when they contracted the virus, we don't know. Um

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 1>typically what doing everything I just said could take up

0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:53.200
<v Speaker 1>the two weeks, So you know, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>long this is going to be for those guys. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they will be back in time to start the

0:23:56.680 --> 0:24:00.439
<v Speaker 1>season on July thirtieth, but I don't know. We talked him.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking to Joe Varden, senior NBA rider covering the

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<v Speaker 1>NBA and the Lakers for the Athletic And speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakers. With Avery Bradley not there now Rajon Rondo

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<v Speaker 1>out for at least six weeks, how big a deal

0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:16.400
<v Speaker 1>is this for the Lakers? The Avery Bradley thing is huge.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do. I think it weakens them. It certainly

0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:24.280
<v Speaker 1>affects them defensively on the perimeter, and when you look

0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:27.600
<v Speaker 1>at how deep the Clippers are, and how healthy the

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Clippers are now, which they really had never been the

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<v Speaker 1>whole season. I think there is a lot to be

0:24:32.960 --> 0:24:37.040
<v Speaker 1>concerned about on the Lakers. The Rondo issue. I mean, yeah,

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:40.520
<v Speaker 1>he was their backup point guard. He was taking the

0:24:40.560 --> 0:24:44.119
<v Speaker 1>ball when Lebron was on the bench, and that that

0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 1>certainly matters. This had not been a good season for

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Rajon and certainly he had been discussed as a potentially

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:57.200
<v Speaker 1>weaker link in this Laker team around the trade deadline,

0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:00.920
<v Speaker 1>and ultimately they didn't make a move there. Really, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't know what the options are per

0:25:04.040 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 1>se when with with Ragion out, but but of the

0:25:07.280 --> 0:25:10.399
<v Speaker 1>two injuries, I definitely think it's Bradley. Who do you

0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:14.159
<v Speaker 1>favor coming out of the West the Clippers? I think, Um?

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I mean, you know, Dan, I've spent

0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 1>most of my NBA career covering Lebron. Um. I don't

0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:23.879
<v Speaker 1>like to bet against him. Certainly in twenty eighteen and

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Cleveland was um one of the most unsung acts of

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:33.520
<v Speaker 1>basketball heroism that'll probably ever go him getting that team

0:25:33.560 --> 0:25:37.640
<v Speaker 1>that far. Um. But I just I am bowled over

0:25:37.720 --> 0:25:41.399
<v Speaker 1>by the Clipper situation right now. Healthy Paul George healthy,

0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:45.680
<v Speaker 1>Kawhi Leonard super deep with all the moves that were

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>made around the trade deadline. Um, I don't know. I

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:51.879
<v Speaker 1>think they're the team to be. But if but if

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:57.560
<v Speaker 1>the Lakers had Bradley and Rondo, would you feel different? No, Um, listen,

0:25:57.600 --> 0:26:02.040
<v Speaker 1>I you know, I think the Lakers had a fantastic

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:06.400
<v Speaker 1>regular season. I really commend that such an I mean,

0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:09.439
<v Speaker 1>they're an old team with the new coach and Frank Vogel.

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I really commend for how they went about their business

0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 1>and them catching the Bucks and being in first place

0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:18.840
<v Speaker 1>at the time of the pandemic hitting is awesome. But

0:26:19.040 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>you know, these NBA seasons are funny, and we actually

0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:27.360
<v Speaker 1>often see that the best regular season team doesn't win,

0:26:27.560 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>doesn't always doesn't get to the finals or necessarily win it.

0:26:32.080 --> 0:26:34.720
<v Speaker 1>And in the case of the Clippers, they were always

0:26:34.840 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of doing this slow build and they probably more

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 1>than any team benefit from you know, this three and

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:45.680
<v Speaker 1>a half four month layoff. The degree of difficulty, though,

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 1>is like, I can't if you win the title this year.

0:26:50.680 --> 0:26:54.120
<v Speaker 1>I get there's no asterisk, the whole season has an asterisk,

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:58.480
<v Speaker 1>but it feels like this Joe that those who don't

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:02.520
<v Speaker 1>like Lebron creep up on Michael Jordan will add an

0:27:02.560 --> 0:27:06.639
<v Speaker 1>asterisk to this that this is different than anything that

0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Michael ACCOMPLI like, it's just weird. And you've been around,

0:27:09.680 --> 0:27:12.280
<v Speaker 1>you know Lebron all, you know, most of his career.

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:14.439
<v Speaker 1>It feels like people go out of their way to

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>attach things to bring Lebron down a notch. Your thoughts

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:21.040
<v Speaker 1>if he does win a title with this team, well,

0:27:21.359 --> 0:27:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I just I would like someone to explain to me

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 1>how the how these differing circumstances would then suggest that

0:27:31.280 --> 0:27:33.359
<v Speaker 1>that a title doesn't count. I mean, you still have

0:27:33.440 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 1>to win four games in four playoffs series. Um, the

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:42.640
<v Speaker 1>teams aren't any worse, you know, like they everybody has

0:27:42.640 --> 0:27:45.040
<v Speaker 1>their players at the start of this. And if somebody

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:47.800
<v Speaker 1>goes out with the virus, well, how is that actually

0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>different from them going down with an ACL or a

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, an ankle um. When you talk about degrees

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>of difficulty, I mean, I guess sure that you don't

0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:01.680
<v Speaker 1>have to go into you know, Milwaukee's what is it

0:28:01.800 --> 0:28:04.240
<v Speaker 1>five served for him? I think is the new arena there?

0:28:04.240 --> 0:28:06.040
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to go there in June and win.

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 1>But you know, you also don't get to play at

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Staples Center, and in the meantime, everybody has the same

0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, crappy being away from your family, being out

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>of your own dead for three months without stop. I mean,

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:23.359
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't. I don't get it from for

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>this asterisk stuff. And if Lebron wins another one, now,

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, geez, that's what that's four on what three

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 1>different teams? That's it's pretty good. I also wonder about this, Joe,

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 1>and you made mention of this. This is an old team,

0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:43.440
<v Speaker 1>and I wonder what will the Lakers look like next

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 1>year because Lebron knows that the clock is ticking. You

0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 1>still have Anthony Davis and hopefully he stays. But you know,

0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Kyle Kuzma, this is a Kyle Kuzma moment to step

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:55.400
<v Speaker 1>up and play big boy basketball as well. But what

0:28:55.480 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>do you think this lineup, this roster looks like next

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 1>year with the Lakers? Yeah, I mean I think, you know,

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I think you're gonna see turnover for sure. It's it's

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:09.480
<v Speaker 1>hard to it's hard to know how this pandemic affects

0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 1>free agency and affects teams various cap situations and contract

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 1>situations with options and whatnot. I think that that Lebron

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.120
<v Speaker 1>and Anthony are together for at least one more year.

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, I've been thinking about this. It's funny you

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 1>know that you asked it, because I was thinking about

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>this this morning on my run from the mirror to

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 1>the door. You know, Lebron was probably going to play

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:36.320
<v Speaker 1>a couple more years. You know, he's thirty five now,

0:29:36.320 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>he'll be thirty six in December. I think he would

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:41.680
<v Speaker 1>at least play out this contract with the Lakers, and

0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I suppose that's probably still true. But the added stress

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:50.840
<v Speaker 1>of the virus, I just wonder if it's taking years

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<v Speaker 1>off of his career. I mean, he's, like I said,

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>he's gonna be thirty six. He's been through so much,

0:29:55.880 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>and when it gets more and more dangerous to play

0:29:58.720 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 1>this game, what else does he need to do? How

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>much time does he want to spend away from those

0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.240
<v Speaker 1>boys in the middle of all this. So you know,

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:11.200
<v Speaker 1>I have not spoken to him since March, I guess,

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:14.360
<v Speaker 1>and I haven't seen him. So I'm not saying I

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:17.080
<v Speaker 1>know that that this is cutting his career short, but

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I wonder. I mean, he's he's got all these businesses,

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 1>he's getting more involved politically, you know, I could see

0:30:26.320 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>this being something that weighs on a guy when you

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>can start to consider how much longer you want to play?

0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>What's chasing? Yeah? I mean so after he wonted Cleveland

0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.320
<v Speaker 1>in twenty sixteen, he said, what I'm chasing Michael's ghost,

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 1>which meant he's chasing six. Theoretically he has time, but

0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 1>you know he's probably not gonna get there, and so

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, his leg his legacy was cemented when he

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:54.959
<v Speaker 1>wanted Cleveland. I think that's true. I don't think he

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>can hurt it by playing with the Lakers, especially because

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:04.280
<v Speaker 1>he did rebound from a bad start. You know, I

0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.480
<v Speaker 1>mean if if he is second best, do is winning

0:31:07.480 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>another one make him first best? No? I don't think so.

0:31:11.840 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>But but so, yeah, I don't know how much. I

0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:18.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know what else he is chasing. It's just more

0:31:18.480 --> 0:31:21.000
<v Speaker 1>about enjoying what you're doing in life. And you know

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 1>what's going to happen if Kawai wins a title with

0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the Clippers. So now he's won three titles with three

0:31:27.040 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 1>different franchises all of a sudden, that will reduce what

0:31:31.320 --> 0:31:34.880
<v Speaker 1>lebron accomplished. If he doesn't win a title with the Lakers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I hadn't thought of it like that, Dan,

0:31:38.640 --> 0:31:44.320
<v Speaker 1>but you're probably right. It's just Kawai. Like, I don't

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>know how many titles Kawhi has to win to get

0:31:46.760 --> 0:31:51.200
<v Speaker 1>into the discussion with Lebron, and he's probably not going

0:31:51.240 --> 0:31:55.560
<v Speaker 1>to get there because he's not a regular season performer. Yeah,

0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 1>but but you know, if he's winning titles, I don't

0:31:59.200 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>know he's It feels like though Lebron, we we've said,

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 1>oh man, he's won titles with Cleveland, and he won

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>with Miami. Enough he wins with the Lakers. But if

0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Kawhi beats him to the punch, then it just feels

0:32:10.920 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 1>like people say, yeah, so what Kawi did it before Lebron. Yeah, No,

0:32:15.360 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right. I think but some of this

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>has to do with, um, your star power when just

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>when you're talking about when you get into these kinds

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>of discussions, and like Kawhi just isn't Lebron, He's like

0:32:29.600 --> 0:32:34.720
<v Speaker 1>he's he's not He's not the same personality, which I

0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:37.120
<v Speaker 1>think matters. I mean, if you look at you know,

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:41.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean Michael certainly was that and Lebron certainly was that,

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:44.479
<v Speaker 1>and then behind him, you know, Kobe was that. I mean,

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what your order is, but I'm just

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:50.080
<v Speaker 1>saying that that matters and when you're when you get

0:32:50.120 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 1>into these barbershop discussions, and Kawi just doesn't have that personality.

0:32:55.080 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 1>He never has. But I wonder, and I brought this up,

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<v Speaker 1>when we do those top ten list or greatest play

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<v Speaker 1>of all time, who's moving in and let's say the

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<v Speaker 1>next five to seven years, and who's moving out of

0:33:07.560 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the top ten list? You know, because Durant, Steph Curry, Kawhi,

0:33:14.480 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Greek Freak's not there yet to move into the top ten.

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 1>But if if you see, like Steph Curry's the top

0:33:20.520 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>ten player of all time, would you say Durant top

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>ten player of all time? And if that's the case,

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 1>is Carl Malone moving out? Is Larry Bird moving out?

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Because somebody's got to move out. If these guys are

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 1>moving in, I mean, I think Durant's probably probably already

0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 1>there as far as top five. You know, I just

0:33:44.640 --> 0:33:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I get tripped up by this stuff, Danhoo, Joe,

0:33:49.120 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I mean, like I was thinking about

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:53.200
<v Speaker 1>this as you were talking. I was thinking about it

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:57.520
<v Speaker 1>from the Tiger Woods perspective. He's on my mind because

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 1>he's coming back to play this week in golf in

0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>the city between our two hometowns. And you know we

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:10.279
<v Speaker 1>uh like when when Rory came out came onto tour

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.680
<v Speaker 1>and Jordan Spief, like those two were they were gonna

0:34:14.680 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 1>be the next Tiger and neither one of them turned

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>out to be the next Tiger. And so like we

0:34:20.080 --> 0:34:22.759
<v Speaker 1>have a top five, I guess, and we have like

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 1>like Lebron absolutely took the man off from from Michael.

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>He was the heir. Uh still is um? Who who

0:34:30.719 --> 0:34:32.799
<v Speaker 1>is the next one? I mean, there's gonna be one,

0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 1>but we have seen throughout history that they don't come

0:34:36.600 --> 0:34:40.719
<v Speaker 1>automatically right away, like they aren't there immediately to take

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 1>the reins. And so maybe it's the honest maybe it's

0:34:44.680 --> 0:34:48.399
<v Speaker 1>Zion Um. You know, Stephen, Stephen Kevin Durant are great,

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:50.759
<v Speaker 1>but they're older players, like neither one of them have

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 1>a ton of time left. And Kevin Durant is coming

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 1>off that injury that you don't know how like it's

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the worst injury you can have in the NBA. So

0:34:58.920 --> 0:35:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, how good is he gonna? I'm not sure? Um,

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 1>So you know, I don't know that there's much movement

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:06.879
<v Speaker 1>in the next five or seven years. Yeah, I feel

0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:09.800
<v Speaker 1>like if one of those guys wins another title, especially

0:35:10.080 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 1>if step moved, Steph might already be there because he's

0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:15.080
<v Speaker 1>considered the best shooter of all time and you know,

0:35:15.239 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 1>so that that carries a lot of cache. A. If

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the NBA could give Zion a buy into the dude

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>into the first round to face the Lakers, would they

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 1>do that? If they can do that privately, that they

0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.400
<v Speaker 1>can manipulate it and have Zion face the Lakers in

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the opening room listen that. Yeah, they had already Yes, yes,

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:38.520
<v Speaker 1>they've already quasi done it. I mean, you know, they

0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 1>set up the whole NBA regular season TV schedule last

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>summer for this season on Zion Williamson. I mean, yes,

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Lebron had something to do with it too, Yes, the

0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Warriors had something to do with it too, But the

0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:55.080
<v Speaker 1>whole thing was set up for him, and a week

0:35:55.200 --> 0:35:58.279
<v Speaker 1>before the season starts he has surgery on his knee

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.040
<v Speaker 1>or he announced that that's what's going to happen. And

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:03.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean that wrecked their whole thing. Costs them millions

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 1>of dollars in TV ratings. It did, and so now

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:12.400
<v Speaker 1>they set up this postseed like this restart basically with

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>this totally unique set of rules, so Zion has a

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:19.359
<v Speaker 1>chance to get back into the playoffs. I mean, yes,

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 1>they would do that. It's great to talk to you.

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Be safe. I'm going to go outside and get some

0:36:24.960 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>fresh air though, Joe is that's fine, that's okay, and cry,

0:36:28.719 --> 0:36:31.640
<v Speaker 1>get a bite dead or something like that. Go hang out, listen,

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.400
<v Speaker 1>think of me. I will thank you, Joe. We appreciate

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.040
<v Speaker 1>your time. Thanks for having Joe Varden. He covers the

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>NBA for the Athletic. We'll take a break back after this.

0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:42.719
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<v Speaker 1>com slash The Dan Patrick Show. I did not know this,

0:36:58.400 --> 0:37:02.759
<v Speaker 1>but it's National French Friday, and Paulie said, if you

0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>could put toppings on French fries, chili, cheese, vinegar and salt,

0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>and of course catch up of course, or if you

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 1>have an alternative that you like. Some people like other yeah,

0:37:14.640 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and mclovin went with mayonnaise. Yep. Yeah, this is a

0:37:18.760 --> 0:37:22.120
<v Speaker 1>week after my mayonnaise hamburger thing, or two weeks after. Yeah,

0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't get mayonnaise. Do you don't like mayonnaise on anything? No,

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:29.959
<v Speaker 1>not a club sandwich even No, No, I got a load.

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I'd say thirty five percent of people do not put

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:35.239
<v Speaker 1>mayo in anything. Yeah. I just don't get mayonnaise like it.

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's not any real taste for me.

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:42.960
<v Speaker 1>There gonna if you're gonna add a condiment. I like

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.440
<v Speaker 1>something that's got a little spice to you know, something's

0:37:45.440 --> 0:37:48.480
<v Speaker 1>got a little personality there, like you know, spicy mustard

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:50.480
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. Yeah. Point. I remember my pulp

0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>fiction John Travolta's character talks about being in Amsterdam and

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.320
<v Speaker 1>dipping French fries in mayo. When I went to amstertain

0:37:56.440 --> 0:37:58.440
<v Speaker 1>years ago and people are walking around like street fairs

0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:01.000
<v Speaker 1>with like a cone of French. It's with a little sidecar,

0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 1>which was great, but they gave you like I think

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>it's curry catchup or curry mayo, and I try to

0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 1>embrace the locals and it was a curry mayo and

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:11.879
<v Speaker 1>I had it once it was fine. Once I will shoo.

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 1>But that's kind of like to me, the sign of

0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.279
<v Speaker 1>something not being good is when you have to change

0:38:18.320 --> 0:38:20.919
<v Speaker 1>it to make it good. It's like mayonnaise is okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but if you put in a little curry in it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really good. You're like, oh yeah, okay, now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>into it. If it's just mayo like that? Sorry, McLevin,

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<v Speaker 1>would you care to respond? Well, I think the reason

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<v Speaker 1>people love mayo is it adds fat to the adding dish.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like, you know, it's like basically fat. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's why it's such a popular condiment. Wait, they like

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<v Speaker 1>it for the gratification of it's fat. Yeah, like you

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<v Speaker 1>like eating things with fat. It's like appealing to Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're basically adding a like butter. It's like adding butters

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<v Speaker 1>or something. You're adding a lot of richness. Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>most but it's funny. Most people are not neutral Batman.

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<v Speaker 1>It's either to hate it or they love it. You

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<v Speaker 1>seem bland. I just have no use for it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it works really well on some things, but

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<v Speaker 1>then on others, I just can't do it. Like like

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<v Speaker 1>if I had a BLT right now, a little Mayo

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<v Speaker 1>on there, that being that'd be real good. By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I get this text last night from Todd and he says,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I can wait until Wednesday for

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<v Speaker 1>our pizza day which we were going to test the pizzas,

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<v Speaker 1>get four pizzas out of New Haven and a blind

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<v Speaker 1>taste test, which I had while he was on vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>And it came to my mind in Paully's. But Paully

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<v Speaker 1>text first say are you paying for it? So Todd

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<v Speaker 1>you're producing it? Are you? Are you going to be

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<v Speaker 1>part of this? Are you just gonna sit here and

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<v Speaker 1>have somebody feed you? I get I could pick up

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<v Speaker 1>the bill If that's a that makes everybody happy. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have a problem with that. Well, Paully can be

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<v Speaker 1>the producer and you can pick up the check and

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<v Speaker 1>we can do that all right. That's how things get

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<v Speaker 1>done around here, unless you wait for me to get

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:57.320
<v Speaker 1>him done. Now, are you sure? North? Thanks to orchestrate everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. Yes, I have an alternative, Todd. I'll I

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<v Speaker 1>and then you during the show can go out and

0:40:02.760 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 1>you know your piping. It's just choice though. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I get this text and it's like I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if I can wait until Wednesday for Pizza's slam really

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<v Speaker 1>exciting and I we can do it tomorrow if you

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<v Speaker 1>want to. You know, we can order it during the

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<v Speaker 1>show and then I could have one of the back

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<v Speaker 1>room guys go and get it. We could have it

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<v Speaker 1>just in time for lunch. Yeah, definitely do it for

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<v Speaker 1>a pizza part. Yes. One of my favorite memories of

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<v Speaker 1>the show. After the show one day, Seaton orders his

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<v Speaker 1>own pizza, a real thin pizza. It's not a big pizza,

0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:37.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was like a medium, it was not big,

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<v Speaker 1>and he put it kind of on the area that's

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<v Speaker 1>to the left of Seaton's desk, but it's Seaton's desk

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<v Speaker 1>still and all. And Fritzie goes ooh and and does

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<v Speaker 1>his hands like this, goes up, takes a piece and

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<v Speaker 1>just wolfs it down and see he goes now, go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and go ahead and ahead, And for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought there was a pizza party going on, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was just one of several pizzas being brought up.

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:56.399
<v Speaker 1>I believe that Todd's direct quote was that's what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, And I said, he took he grabbed a

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<v Speaker 1>slice it, good bye. That's sorry, taker ahead and just

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<v Speaker 1>eat my lunch. It's fine, that's all right. You're an

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<v Speaker 1>original man, That's what I'm talking about. Yeah, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>left him over a couple of life I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to pay for anything. Perfect. One hour left to go

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<v Speaker 1>here Dan and the Dang Dan Patrick Show