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Speaker 1: Welcome back everyone. I have my very first guests, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to have this special person on because he's

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Speaker 1: been through a lot with me and I am in

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Speaker 1: love with him. And I have my boyfriend here, Hi Erin.

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Speaker 2: So good to be here. Really excited for you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I get asked all the time how we met,

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Speaker 1: So I feel like that is where we should start,

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Speaker 1: I feel like most people meet on apps, and we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because every time somebody asks us, how did you meet,

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Speaker 2: and we always have to say, oh, we met at

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Speaker 2: a coffee shop, and they're like, oh, that's so cute.

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Speaker 1: It is cute. I love that. Apparently you saw me

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So there's a coffee shop that's right in between

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Speaker 2: where you used to live and where I live. And

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting there. I think you had Isabella in the stroller,

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Speaker 2: and I'm waving to Isabella from across the room and

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Speaker 1: To me, and I have my headphones on. I'm listening

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I noticed Michelle, but I didn't say hi

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Speaker 2: days later you came back to the cafe. That's when

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Speaker 2: we were standing in line together. We ordered our drinks.

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Speaker 2: We started chatting, and yeah, I realized you were in

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Speaker 2: And we both had good energy together and we said, hey,

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Speaker 2: and things like that. Yeah, so then fast forward, it

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Speaker 2: kind of turned into you know, just meeting out and

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Speaker 2: about while you were walking and while I was walking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very random and like here and there,

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Speaker 1: I am a walker and I say this a lot,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to do runying or I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: still do running all the time. I do running all

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Speaker 1: it's pretty cool because it's like literally your backyard.

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Speaker 2: And I started this honey company as a passion project.

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Speaker 1: I remember I was so intrigued because it's like, who

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Speaker 1: And so your parents got divorced when you were really young, yes,

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Speaker 2: I was five. My mom ended up not wanting to

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Speaker 2: There was a lot of things that took me some

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Speaker 1: And what I liked is that you told me growing up,

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Speaker 2: Like I wasn't wrestling with that at all.

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Speaker 2: Surprisingly, like we got through that without arguing, Like we

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Speaker 1: So wild, and then I want to continue on because

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Speaker 1: we can really like there's so much to say, but

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Speaker 2: Watch it and I loved it. Watch watching my girlfriend's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it next week