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Speaker 1: Riding along in the automotive Got a question about that

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Speaker 1: odd noise your car is making. Not sure how to

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Speaker 1: understand to find prints in that car lease you're about

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Speaker 1: to sign, Then this is where to turn for help.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the car doctor.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing about you.

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Speaker 1: Ron An Indian is here to answer your questions about cars.

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Speaker 2: Give him a call. Eight. Now here's the car doctor,

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Speaker 2: ron An Indian.

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Speaker 4: What is an auto mechanic and what does the government

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Speaker 4: have to say about the field of auto repair. I

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Speaker 4: went out to the US Department of Labor Viewer of

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Speaker 4: Labor Statistics website this past week and I started to

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Speaker 4: investigate and look at just where and how does the

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Speaker 4: government perceive the field of automotive service technicians.

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Speaker 2: And it's an interesting read.

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Speaker 4: It's about eleven pages if you choose to print it,

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Speaker 4: but it's very concise in terms of what they're looking

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Speaker 4: at and how they describe the field. Significant points of

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Speaker 4: being an auto technician. Formal automotive technician training is the

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Speaker 4: best preparation for these challenging technology based jobs. In reference

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Speaker 4: to auto repair, opportunities should be very good for automotive

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Speaker 4: service technicians and mechanics with diagnostic and problem solving skills,

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Speaker 4: knowledge of electronics and mathematics, and mechanical aptitude. Automotive service

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Speaker 4: technicians and mechanics must continually adapt the changing technology and

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Speaker 4: repair techniques as vehicle components and systems become increasingly sophisticated.

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Speaker 4: So right there in that opening paragraph, in those first

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Speaker 4: three statements, they're telling us that automotive technicians are going

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Speaker 4: to be faced with a technology based job, something that

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Speaker 4: good manthematical skills, knowledge of electronics, and mechanical aptitude. It's

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Speaker 4: not designated for the person that cannot read, cannot use

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Speaker 4: a computer, cannot get out to the internet, is not

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Speaker 4: technology based, is not able to do. So you start

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Speaker 4: to look at this and you say, what is an

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Speaker 4: auto mechanic. An auto mechanic is somebody that's a technology

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Speaker 4: based individual. It's not for somebody that can just put

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Speaker 4: automotive service technician and mechanics. The ability to diagnose the

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Speaker 4: a problem quickly and accurately requires good reasoning, ability and

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Speaker 4: a thorough knowledge of automobiles. Many technicians consider diagnosing hard

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Speaker 4: to find problems one of their most challenging and satisfying duties.

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Speaker 4: The work of automotive service technicians and mechanics has evolved

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Speaker 4: and the term mechanic is falling into disuse today. Today's

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Speaker 4: vehicle they're referencing today, Integrated electronic systems and complex computers

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Speaker 4: run vehicles and measure their performance while on the road.

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Speaker 4: Technicians must have an increasingly broad base of knowledge about

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Speaker 4: how a vehicle's complex components work and interact, as well

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Speaker 4: as the ability to work with electronic diagnostic equipment and

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Speaker 4: computer based technical reference materials. Doesn't sound like a mechanic

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Speaker 4: that everybody might think of down there in the three

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Speaker 4: changing oil, does it? But this is a pretty accurate

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Speaker 4: description of what it's like to be a mechanic today

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Speaker 4: The job outlook section, which is really why I wanted

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Speaker 4: to bring this up, is something of interest. Also down

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Speaker 4: around page seven, they discuss job opportunities in this occupation

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Speaker 4: are expected to be very good for persons or person

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Speaker 4: who has completed automotive training programs in high school, vocational

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Speaker 4: and technical schools, or community colleges, as employers recently report

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Speaker 4: difficulty in finding workers with the right skills, and that's true.

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Speaker 4: I myself am looking for a few mechanics, and it's

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Speaker 4: very difficult to find more people to come into this field,

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Speaker 4: keep up with the times. It's an ever growing, ever demanding, physical,

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Speaker 4: tough job. It really is persons with good diagnostic and

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Speaker 4: because you think to be a mechanic, you're going to

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Speaker 4: Persons with good diagnostic and problem solving abilities and whose

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Speaker 4: with a technical background. Automotive service technician careers offer an

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Speaker 4: highly technical career. Hello and welcome to the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 4: My name is Ron and aenian.

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Speaker 2: A five five five six so ninety nine hundred, here

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Speaker 2: to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: About all things automotive. Whatever you've got going on, fender

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Speaker 4: that this hour, as I bring up and ask you

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Speaker 4: mechanic and if so, why and if not why? And

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Speaker 4: if you are a mechanic and you're thinking of getting out,

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Speaker 4: I'd like to hear from you this hour at eighty

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Speaker 4: five to five five six, so ninety nine hundred, and

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Speaker 4: start of talk about what do you think is good

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Speaker 4: or bad about this industry and what keeps you from

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Speaker 2: At eight five to five five six, so ninety nine hundred.

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Speaker 4: Right now, let's kick open the garage doors and let's

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Speaker 4: talk to Bob down there in Springfield, Missouri, ninety one

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Speaker 4: Toyota Camry, and see what's going on here? Yes, Bob,

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Speaker 4: how may I diagnose your problem today?

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for taking my call.

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Speaker 2: You're welcome, sir.

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Speaker 3: I've got a nineteen ninety one Toyota Camry with a

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Speaker 3: thousand miles on it. Okay, it's got plenty of minor

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Speaker 3: it's been difficult to start, and once started, it stumbles

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Speaker 3: about three hundred and fifty bucks wasted because there was

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Speaker 3: I would say I have an automotive automatic choke problem

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Speaker 4: Okay, let me ask you this, bob, Have you done

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Speaker 3: I turned it over to a guy. Supposedly they put

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Speaker 4: So personally no, okay, But somebody did put a fuel

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Speaker 3: It'll put a fuel prepper gauge on it and found

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Speaker 4: How far was the fuel pressure down?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know

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Speaker 3: what the results of that is. I'm just saying if

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Speaker 2: Now, okay, on.

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Speaker 4: The driver's side of the engine, this is the four cylinder.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it is at the.

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Speaker 4: Thermostat neck or the water neck. There's going to be

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Speaker 4: two square headed switches, for lack of a better way

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Speaker 4: to put it, one of them, and I believe it'll

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Speaker 4: be the brown switch with the brown connector will be

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Speaker 4: the thermal time switch for when the vehicle is cold.

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Speaker 4: What it does is it feeds the computer information to

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Speaker 4: alters the fuel curve for the remaining injectors during vehicle

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Speaker 4: warm up. That thermo time switch, as we call it,

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Speaker 3: Would you say the switch name again.

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Speaker 4: The thermo time t H E R M O hyphen

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Speaker 4: and your analogy of a carburetor vehicle really sounds well

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Speaker 4: and correct in that it is almost like the bimetallic

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 4: It reacts with temperature and it will alter the fuel

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Speaker 4: a stream capability. You're gonna have to look at either

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Speaker 4: Besides that, and I think you're going to find the

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Speaker 4: problem somewhere between the coolant and the thermal time switch.

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Speaker 4: If it's beyond that, one of the other things I

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Speaker 4: to ask you a question. Do you see a problem

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Speaker 4: when the vehicle is wet? No, it runs absolutely fine,

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Speaker 4: because they do have their share of cap rotor and

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Speaker 3: No, and actually i've operated in the rain reach that

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Speaker 4: Okay, then let's take a focus on coolant temperature and

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Speaker 4: thermo time switches. See what they're doing. Have those checked out,

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Speaker 3: That was on the driver's side near the water neck.

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Speaker 3: Correct two switches. The brown one is the one I'm

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Speaker 3: interested in this correct thermoe tis right?

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Speaker 4: There should be a brown if I remember right, there

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Speaker 4: should be a brown and a green. I think you're

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Speaker 4: gonna be interested in the brown one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so so much.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, sir, appreciate, not a problem. Good luck to you.

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Speaker 2: Eight five five five six, so ninety nine hundred. How

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Speaker 2: does your car work?

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Speaker 4: Give me a call. Let's find out I'm running an

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Speaker 2: Card docktor.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Hey, welcome back, running any in the card docktor

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Speaker 4: Here the comments I was making at the top of

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Speaker 4: the hour with regard to automotive service technicians, I continue

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Speaker 4: from the government's Bureau of Labor Statistics, employment of automotive

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Speaker 4: by the slowing population growth and a continuing increase in

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Speaker 4: the quality and durability of automobiles, which will require less

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Speaker 4: need to replace a growing number of retiring technicians. Hooray,

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Speaker 4: who tend to be the most experienced workers.

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Speaker 3: I get out.

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Speaker 4: But you know, the reality here becomes and what the

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Speaker 4: government is saying is there's going to be a shortage

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Speaker 4: of auto mechanics and it's something we need to address

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Speaker 4: and look at. Because like I said before at the

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Speaker 4: top of the hour, I myself always had my eye

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Speaker 4: out looking for mechanics. We're looking for a fella now

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Speaker 4: and it's becoming an ever growing, ongoing problem that's got

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Speaker 4: to be dealt with. Let's get back to the phone.

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Speaker 4: Let's get over and talk to Dave Brewer Maain.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Dave, how can I help you?

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Speaker 3: Sir?

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Speaker 5: Hi Ron, I've talked to you before about technicians and

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Speaker 5: stuff along those lines. I've got a shop up here

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Speaker 5: and just this week we hired a technician and he's

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Speaker 5: fifty years old. He knows how to spinner wrench. He

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Speaker 5: can get the nuts and bolt in and now, but

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Speaker 5: he can't do the computer stuff. On the other end

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Speaker 5: of the scale, I've got a guy that's a tech

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Speaker 5: school for a year now and he's coming along. He

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Speaker 5: can do the computer and he's the new guy that

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Speaker 5: we need to get into the field and nature along.

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Speaker 5: The difference between the two of them is the older

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Speaker 5: guy that can hold the wrench in his hand and

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Speaker 5: the big jobs done. The younger guy, he's just kind

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Speaker 5: of dribbling along through it and doesn't have the experience

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Speaker 5: yet how long in your pay opinion, excuse me, doesn't

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Speaker 5: take for the young guy to be able to actually

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Speaker 5: turn a profit for you? You know, five years is

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Speaker 5: what I'm hearing from most people. That's awful long time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think you know when I when I

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Speaker 4: when I bring a guy on, and you know, the

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Speaker 4: speech is fresh in my head because, like I said before, Dave,

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Speaker 4: I'm looking for another guy myself. And you know, the

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Speaker 4: problem with being a shop owner, one of the problems

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Speaker 4: we're faced with today is even when you don't need somebody,

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Speaker 4: you need to have somebody in the background. You need

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Speaker 4: it's also you know, it's beyond the when does he

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Speaker 4: make you a profit scenario? It's you know, do they

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Speaker 4: fit most auto repair shops. You know, we're a three

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Speaker 4: You know, the brothers have to get along. The mom

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Speaker 4: it's tough. It's you know, it has to be a

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Speaker 4: social ills out in the world today. Just finding people

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Speaker 4: Never mind the fact can they fix cars? And the

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Speaker 4: work ethic that you need them to bring with them

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Speaker 4: to the shop is just it's astronomical what you're looking for,

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Speaker 4: you know. I say to people all the time. They

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Speaker 4: ask me what's it like to find the mechanic? And

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Speaker 4: I say, well, you know, I want I want somebody

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Speaker 4: that has a clean driving record. I want somebody that'll

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Speaker 4: show up to work on time. I want somebody, you know,

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Speaker 4: that understands there's going to be days we're done early.

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be days we might have to go fifteen

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Speaker 2: We got to get cars done.

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Speaker 4: And that work ethic is just as important as you say,

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Speaker 4: as can he fix a computer car? Can he get

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Speaker 4: the transmission in and out.

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Speaker 2: Of the vehicle?

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Speaker 4: You know? So I guess to directly answer your question, Dave,

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Speaker 4: he's got to start turning you a profit, honestly, in

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Speaker 4: the first eighteen months to two years, maybe not a

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Speaker 4: own I look at it like this, the first six months,

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Speaker 4: they're lost. They they're yeah, they're well, they're lost because

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Speaker 4: they're trying to learn shop procedure. And every guy I've

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Speaker 4: the broom, and you know, depending upon their skill level,

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Speaker 4: not everyone, but the majority of them, because it's always

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Speaker 4: they're doing checklists, they're doing basic oil changes, they're doing

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Speaker 4: still got to do basic service. You've got to know

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Speaker 4: shop owner because you've got that responsibility in my opinion,

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Speaker 4: and you've tried to find the jobs to feed him,

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Speaker 4: and you've also brought him over into those jobs that

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Speaker 4: the guy's got to help the heavy duty guy, the

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Speaker 4: of the bigger jobs of the shop. It's a process.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't happen overnight. Auto mechanics are made, they're not

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Speaker 4: born sometimes and sometimes it's vice versa. Good luck finding

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Speaker 4: want to let you know how I make out five

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Speaker 4: five six, so ninety nine hundred Right after this