WEBVTT - Fire Drill 038: Blood on the Floor 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:05.160 There probably is. I think to save all the blood 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:08.200 on the floor. If you if you buy into the 0:00:08.280 --> 0:00:11.239 argument that the lives sout easide of they're not going 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.720 to go away, the only answer is a compromise. If 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.320 they're not going to go away, it doesn't nobody wins. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.400 If we just fight this fight for ten years, like 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.159 the sooner they can get down and sit at the 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.600 table and say, right, what does everybody want? You guys 0:00:24.600 --> 0:00:27.800 have lots of money, We have tradition and legitimacy. Um, 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:31.680 how can we connect those two and make it great 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:37.800 that he can't get jan nothing. What I'm thinking that 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:46.760 he can't get them, I'm thinking Hello and welcome back 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:50.159 to their Fire Drill podcast. This is Alan Schipnak. I 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:54.200 have Michael Bamberg in Philadelphia and Jeff Ogilvie in Oz 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:58.800 on the line. It's a huge day in golf. Tiger 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.560 Woods flew into delaw Are, probably his first trip to Delaware. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.720 We could we could surmise um to be to have 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:07.280 an audience with some of the game's biggest names. In 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.760 the ongoing battle for the soul of golf between the 0:01:10.800 --> 0:01:13.880 PGA Tour and Live Golf. Patrick Reid, who had Brandell, 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:18.120 Shamblee and the Golf Channel in Federal court. That just 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.360 happened this afternoon. Who knows what else is gonna happen more. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.880 We're taping this podcast. There's so much going on, but uh, 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:28.640 let's let's let's start with Jeff. You know, uh, you've 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.720 you've been close to Tiger, You've observed him in different settings. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:35.640 He seems to really have taken on this this this 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:39.200 role as the de facto commissioner, and um, what do 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.319 you make of this evolution of Tiger from just this 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:44.319 this golfer who lived in this bubble of his own making, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.200 who has now become the statesman and it's really trying 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:50.920 to have a larger impact on the sport. Well, I 0:01:50.960 --> 0:01:54.360 think it's nice, and I mean it's uh, he's clearly 0:01:55.680 --> 0:01:58.240 always been a legacy guy like him, he had Nicholas 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.960 has right going up on his wall. Like the reverence 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:03.800 and respect he's got for the b g A Tour 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:05.760 and sort of the traditional tournaments and all the way 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:11.920 up has obviously been quite obvious. And he sees he 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:14.880 doesn't like the direction. I don't think he hates Oh, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.360 this is meet guessing about Tiger. But I don't think 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:21.240 he would hate the whole the financial windfall side of 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:23.000 this thing. I just think he would be disappointed in 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:25.760 the fact that it's a legacy tarnishing situation, you know. 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:27.520 I mean, there's such a great tradition to the tour 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:31.360 and he's one of the most important players on the 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.880 tour of all time. To sort of see that get 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:36.119 broken up, I think would have hit him pretty hard. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.079 And it's nice. He's probably got the strongest voice. I mean, 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:42.000 a lot of the players who are affected by this 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:46.079 probably don't know him that well. You know, he's sort 0:02:46.120 --> 0:02:47.680 of a lot of these kids are gonna be young. 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:49.440 I mean the kids this is really affecting the most 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:51.120 as the ones in their twenties and early thirties, and 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:52.720 a lot of them button that have really have been 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.160 out there when Tiger was playing a lot. I think 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:58.200 his weight and his sort of presence just in the room, 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:59.919 to actually just fly in and get in the room 0:03:00.000 --> 0:03:02.799 would be pretty powerful for sort of Jay and that 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.040 to his sort of things. So I think it's cool. 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:09.280 It's cool that he's uh not just sitting back and 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.240 observing that he's actually actively farting for something he belaves him, 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:15.600 which I think is pretty cool, Michael. I mean, you 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.360 literally wrote a book on Tiger, the Second Life of 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.359 Tiger Woods, coming back from from some of his travails, 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:23.480 and now he's moved into this final act of his career. 0:03:24.160 --> 0:03:25.720 It's clear he's not gonna be playing a lot of 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.600 tournament golf going forward, and it's almost like he's looking 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.120 for his his role. What do you make of of 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.640 of where Tiger is right now? Together, we've written two 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:40.600 books on Tiger, uh, but not really uh, Jeff Allen, 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:43.760 I wrote a book, The Swinger, that features acational golf 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:47.080 name treat dream Up. You know, I was really struck 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.840 by that already five second clip. That's that's I think 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.240 a million nearly a million people have already viewed of 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:56.280 him just getting off a plane and getting into a 0:03:56.400 --> 0:04:00.480 Nissan rental car with Ricky Fowler as his eide kick. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.160 He's wearing a flannel shirt, he's not wearing a hat, 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:05.440 and it looks like he's put on a little woods 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.720 since we've last seen him in public, and he looks 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:11.080 like an old NFL star showing up for you know, 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.440 a Hall of Fame induction. I mean, I was just 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:17.240 in there's that and in just the aging of Tiger Woods. 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:19.440 You know, we're we're all enough where we've seen him 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.720 as a kid. Now here is in his in his 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.680 mid forties preparing for this leadership role. So the evolution 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:27.039 of Tiger Woods, I think it's fastening al and I 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.800 think he really hit on it. He's a very smart person. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:33.800 He's charismatic in his own sort of way, and he's 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.640 got to have to he has a lot of thoughts. 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:41.080 Of course, he's an intelligent person. Uh So he's looking 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:43.000 for a future in the game. He I don't know 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.440 how much he knows that, but if you look at 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:48.080 his record, he's barely played since two thousand and sixteen. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:50.960 It's a miracle that he you know, he contended when 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:52.640 he did in those two majors, and then one the 0:04:52.680 --> 0:04:56.080 one that he that he could win. Uh and then 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.000 just one other quick note on tire, just the fact 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.920 that just the fact that that video exists shows you 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.679 the intensity that surrounds Tiger Woods and this particular setting 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.120 because he gets off from private plans for other occasions 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.560 and doesn't get a videotape, but he shows up at 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:13.560 a hospital or he shows up for me like this, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.880 and the intrusion of it all. You know, here, here's 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.160 a camera through a fence into a private rental car, 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.320 and none of the three of us could imagine even 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.400 living a life like that. Sorry for going on so 0:05:24.480 --> 0:05:27.359 long here, but I'm just struck. We have so few 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.240 moments of actually seeing Tiger Woods, and the fact that, 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:34.480 as you say, this major day in golf politics, that 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:37.280 Tiger has risen and sort of taken over the stage 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.200 is telling on a number of different levels. Yeah, and 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:44.720 it's so funny, you know, the Tiger Phil rivalry. It's 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:46.440 they in some way, it seemed like there there was 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.360 this reapproachment and they were gonna they were gonna play 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.560 exhibition golf into their into their sixties happily. And and 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.000 now this schism is even bigger. You know, Fields gone 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:55.920 to the dark side and a lot of people pop 0:05:55.960 --> 0:06:00.120 their imagination and Tigers fighting the good fight. And when 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:03.240 you talk about legacy, I mean I always assumed they 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.719 would be the honorary first tea starters at the Masters 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.080 for you know, the next thirty years, whenever they were 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.920 ready for it. And you have to wonder, is Phil 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.640 going to get that chance now? And same with they're 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.200 both gonna be incredible rider Cup captains. You know, Tiger 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:20.680 may may have four or five cracks at it now 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.760 because other guys have taken themselves out of the mix, 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:25.400 and so Tiger has gone all in with the tour 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.720 and and building this legacy feel has gone completely the 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.320 other direction. And that just strikes me as someone who's 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:34.640 followed them for their whole careers. But um, you didn't 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:38.400 mention Tiger's jeans, which are always always commented upon he's got. 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.840 I thought they very I thought they were very style. 0:06:40.960 --> 0:06:42.719 I mean, I know he's been mocked over the years, 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:45.440 but I didn't note that they were properly fitting. And 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:47.560 the shirt seemed to be I didn't know you could 0:06:47.560 --> 0:06:49.919 get a tailored flannel shirt, but he seems to be 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:51.960 wearing a tailor flannel. She was like, he's evolved from 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.200 mom jeans two dad jeans. It's better, but there's still 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.960 a ways to go. But um, I mean, Jeff, this 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:03.919 this becomes the overarching question in golf is, uh, what 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:05.599 does that stake for these guys who have gone to 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:09.320 live Are they really giving up history and legacy? Will 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.400 there be a reapproachment? And we're starting to get early 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.040 word what was said in in the rooms today, but 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.640 we don't really know for sure. I mean, what is 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.720 your take on is there a way back to unifying 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.480 the sport where um you know, I mean, look at 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.360 the European Writer Cup team. They've lost whole generation of 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:30.360 captains potentially from Poulter and Garcia and Westwood and Kaimer 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:35.440 and your President's Cup assistant captain. I mean potentially the 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.320 President's Cup team this year is is could be missing 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:40.960 a lot of great players, and um, it's not good 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:44.120 for the game to have have this this cleave. Do 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.200 you do you see a way back? I like the 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:52.920 word cleave. Um, there has to be a way back, 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:56.120 Like I don't There's too many players have gone now 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.000 and I feel like in a couple of weeks after 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.120 it's like, I mean, obviously this is amazing to ay 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.280 to prevent any more sort of players jumping, but it 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.360 seems like there's some that have already decided that they're 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:07.080 going to go they haven't gone yet, that have been 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:11.520 talked about. There's going to be too many players on 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:13.680 the lift side for them not to be some sort 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.560 of compromise reunification down the road. I mean, I just 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:21.240 cannot imagine the Masters running without twenty of the best 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:22.880 fifty players in the world. I mean, they might not 0:08:22.920 --> 0:08:28.600 be reflected in the Visigal World Golf rankings, but they're 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:30.720 just not going to do that. The Majors, I think, 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.839 are the ones that are the real sort of a 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.720 trump card for both sides really, because that's really they're 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.880 the jewels of the sport. I just can't imagine them 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.640 wanting to sort of undermine their torment by not having 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.640 twenty or thirty of the best players in the world 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.920 in their fields. So maybe for a year or something, 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.960 but I just don't think that would go on in Definitely, 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.560 the Other Cup is too important. The Presidents comes very 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.439 important to the PGA Tour. I can't I don't know. 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:00.600 I mean, it seems like a very long way away 0:09:00.640 --> 0:09:04.600 from sort of any sort of compromised reunification situation right now, 0:09:04.640 --> 0:09:09.040 but it's changing so rapidly daily that I think speculating 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:10.440 about where we're going to be in the future is 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:13.800 really difficult. I do know, I get the strong feeling 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:15.960 from any sort of live related people that I talked to, 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:18.280 not that I'm talking to on that respect for people 0:09:18.280 --> 0:09:20.880 who are more in the inner circle than I am 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:24.000 that they're not going to go away. UM, they're here 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.680 for the long term. UM. They're pretty committed to this. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:32.040 They think they've got a good idea, they're very well funded. Clearly, UM, 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.640 they're not just going to come well that didn't work 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:36.480 and go do something else. I think they're here for 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.800 a long time. And I don't think that golf is 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:42.080 too strong. Golf is too strong as a sport to 0:09:42.200 --> 0:09:45.520 stay fractured like that for too long. UM. I don't 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.600 know what the past to that pathway that to that is, 0:09:47.640 --> 0:09:50.000 and it might take a year or two, but I 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.640 think there's just too much. They've got too many players 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:54.679 on their side now live for them to be completely 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:57.040 sort of blackboard from golf for the rest of time. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:01.000 I just don't think that's going to happen. But Jeff 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:03.040 can I can jump in here with the question regarding 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:07.520 what some of you just said, if the majors of 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.719 the Crown Jewels you want the best players in the 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:12.760 world playing your majors of course players championship, I would 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:17.240 I would say the same, How good do we know 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.880 Henrik Stenson or Charles World So are really right now 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.240 on a world stage by beating forty seven other guys 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:27.120 over fifty four holes. In other words, let's say you 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:30.960 can go down this road of some kind of unification, 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:34.240 but how are you going to figure out really how 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:38.720 to assess the quality of those fields with only forty 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:41.000 eight players and only fifty four holes. It's such a 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:44.959 different I mean, I would imagine, I don't know, this 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.920 is title speculation that that live won't stay true to 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.680 its name. It's fifty four, it will end up seventy two. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.840 I'm sure the fields will get a little bit bigger, 0:10:53.880 --> 0:10:55.400 which will be part of some sort of come from 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:57.480 my situation, and they'll probably end up looking like w 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.960 g cts um. This would just be a guess sort 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.280 of some sort of negotiation with the Official World Golf 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:07.439 Ranking sort of situation, and so it will be it 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.400 will turn more into a normal golf tournament. I imagine 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.079 if they want to coexist, it's going to have to 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:15.240 write They're going to have to move a little bit 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:20.680 um because the players, they won't continue to get players 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.880 if it comes clear in the next tour months that 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.840 they're never going to get into majors. Ever, they're kind 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:26.640 of they're in a bit of a they've got a 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.360 bit of a problem, you know, And if they just 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:30.360 have to adjust their product a little bit to get 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:32.360 their players to be able to access the majors, then 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:37.400 I think they'll be fine. Um, Jeff go on, that's 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.280 a great insight, because if if the studies are in 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.439 for a billion or two billion, what's it to them 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.680 to come in for three billion. That's a pressure point 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.200 actually in favor of the PG two ur They're saying, 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.400 we've got something. You want world golf ranking points, but 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.600 if you want them, you've got to put up even more. 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.440 And there what's another billion of them? I don't know. 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:57.320 Billion dollars a lot of money to most people. But 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.120 if they're committed to this for the long term, it 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.600 seems like they are. I imagine that they would move 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.240 to a more palatable product. I mean, maybe their idea 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.800 is that it's a stale product and it needs to 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.000 be different, But um, if they want the best players 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:15.440 in the world, they're going to have to sort of 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:20.160 just to a format that's respected and recognized by the majors. Um, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:25.120 I would think, I mean, this is just guesswork, but yeah, 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.640 I just think that they've got too many players on 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:28.440 their side now when I understand what you're saying about 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:30.680 their older players, but there's going to be some younger ones, 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.760 particularly one that's been strongly rumored who wanted st Andrew's 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.000 if that ends up actually happening, that's arguably the best 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.679 player in the world at the moment, or very close 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.440 to going over, who's clearly got ten fifteen, ten years 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.640 at least of prime to go, and whoever goes along 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:52.240 with him after we see east Lake. Um, it's this, 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.839 it's truly cleve like, it's truly in half? Right is 0:12:55.880 --> 0:13:00.680 Cleveman in half? Is that half? Or is it just split? Yeah? 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.439 And more like a split. I mean, cleavage would be 0:13:03.520 --> 0:13:05.839 a derivative of it. So if you can can get 0:13:05.880 --> 0:13:10.120 that mental image. But um, yeah, well, I mean let's 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:12.960 so let's talk about cam Smith because you guys are 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.400 different generations. Um, but you're from the same island and 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.800 you know, people around live have told me it's a 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:23.199 done deal. Now things can change and that was actually 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:28.120 before the open so who knows, you know, whatever deal 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:29.880 might have been in place, that could have gotten torn 0:13:30.000 --> 0:13:33.320 up and maybe they added another zero. I mean, it's 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:35.400 not just that he's possibly the best player in the world, 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.200 It's also that he's young, as also that he's defending 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.079 champion at the Open Championship. So when you get into 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:43.560 well the live guys get to play majors, there's no 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.240 scenario that the RNA does not want Cam Smith to 0:13:46.280 --> 0:13:49.240 defend his title, and they're gonna have to. That's a 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:52.679 workaround that's gonna have to be part of this whole calculation. 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.800 But you know everything we've heard about Cam he's just 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:57.439 this low key guy who just wants to fish. He 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:00.080 doesn't care about money. Um, of course we all care 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.319 about money on some level, but he doesn't seem like 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:06.520 the ideal candidate for live golf. But um, let's just 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.040 say for this thought exercise that he is going and 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.000 he is making the jump. What do you think the 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:15.800 appeal is for Cam Smith? Well, I think for guys 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.320 like that, they obviously, I mean, we're not proving to 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:21.120 the conversations that they're having. We don't know lives plans 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:23.680 apart from what they've told put out in public. We 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:25.560 don't know what they have planned. They might have some 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.640 amazing The road map that they've sold these guys that 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:32.480 were on the way to this premium tour might maybe 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.120 it ends up seventy two holes. Maybe it ends up 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:37.800 slightly bigger fields. Maybe there's we don't know what they're 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:40.760 telling them. They're obviously selling them more than just money. 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.200 You know. Um, I don't know what would go through. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:49.320 Like I wasn't in camps position. I mean, I say, 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.400 my peak of my powers after the US Open or 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.280 something of someone had come up and said, I've got 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:54.800 a hundred million dollars for you to come and play 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.280 this other tour over here. That would have been a 0:14:57.320 --> 0:14:59.440 pretty hard thing to say no to. I mean, that's 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:01.240 pretty signal forget money. I mean, we're not all about 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:08.080 the money. Um. But on one level, professional golfers termed 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:11.560 professional one so they can play the biggest events, but 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.280 two so they can not have a real job and 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:18.000 actually get golfers and get paid paid. You know, Like, um, 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.000 if if there have been assured that you're going to 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:22.600 get in all the majors, well argue, but I don't 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:23.880 know how they are and A and or that are 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:27.080 going to keep exempt players out, you know, like the Masters, 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.560 like they're they're already exempt. I understand. Like if if 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.120 you drop out of the world rankings, out of the 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:36.040 top fifty by playing not playing regular ranking scoring tournaments. 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.280 They can say, well, you didn't qualify for the Masters, 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:39.520 is sure you can't get in you're not in the 0:15:39.560 --> 0:15:42.160 top fifty. But for Dustin Johnson a minute, or Patrick 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:44.800 Read or Shortz or or there's a lot of green 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.920 coat jackets that they're not going to have at the tournament. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:48.520 I don't imagine they're going to do that, you know, 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:50.160 I mean camp they are and are going to say, well, 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:51.800 if you're already exempt, you get into, but you won't 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:53.920 be able to get into the top fifty in the 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:55.960 world if you're not playing regular tournaments, you know. So 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:59.040 I think I think the majors are just they've got 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:00.960 time on their side. Is it's all sort of coming 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:02.680 to a head at the moment. We've got all the 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.600 way till April for four Masters have to make a 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:08.840 call on that. It's interesting. I don't know. In Cam's head, 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.560 I don't know. I've never had a hundred million dollar 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.600 check plus put in front of me, so I don't 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:16.360 know what I would do. Um And as I said, 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:18.480 if there's sort of plans down the road to sort 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.880 of expand the model of live that we've seen, maybe 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.000 there's phase two looks a lot more attractive. You know, 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:28.280 maybe they know stuff that we don't know. Um, but 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:29.840 makes it a bit easier to go do that. But 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.520 it's clearly not a very easy decision because if it's 0:16:32.520 --> 0:16:34.480 actually true that he's going, and he's been given his 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:36.560 offered his money that we've been off he probably would 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.080 have just gone, you know, like why why why wait 0:16:40.160 --> 0:16:44.400 around for FedEx Cup money which is totally insignificant for 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:47.440 from the lift money, you know what I mean. So 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:53.760 he's obviously it's obviously a hard decision. Um, I don't know, 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:55.760 he's a knock around buck and he's a he's a 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:57.920 good guy. I think it's an interesting one because he's 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.320 a sort of I feel like he's one of those 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.360 universally loved players. Have we had a really universally loved 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:06.800 player who's young go there yet? You know, Like I mean, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:10.159 DJ is pretty universally DJ is pretty universally loved. But 0:17:10.200 --> 0:17:12.320 there's some a little bit of tiny bit of baggage 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:14.360 maybe with DJ, but everyone else does that mean there's 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:18.280 Patrick Reid and a lot of like from an American perspective, 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:23.040 Bryce and I mean, no one really truly universally loved 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:25.920 but now Cam. Everybody loves Cam, you know, and there's 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.080 I imagine on the lip side of things, there's a 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.200 there's a feeling that it might change public sentiment a 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.360 little bit if Cam went, you know, and Leash. Everybody 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.639 loves Leash, you know, like to put him and he's 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.359 always seems to be in that same Cam Unleash. You're 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:43.960 going to go conversation. Um, I don't know, it'll be interesting. 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.399 The more popular, the more players that have, and the 0:17:46.440 --> 0:17:49.639 more popular characters they get on their side sort of 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:53.200 the more leverage they've got for a compromise, you know, um, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:56.919 because at some point the PGR two sponsors are going 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.359 to come out and say, we'll hang on a minute. 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:01.040 You promised me all these players that you can't promise me. 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.119 I want Cam Smith in my tournament. I want these 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.040 guys in the tournament. So it's going to create issues 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:07.560 all down the line if you don't have twenty or 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.880 thirty of the most popular players, but wherever they're ranked, 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.520 if they don't have well ranking points, it doesn't matter. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.080 People are going to assume it's almost to camps fists 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:15.720 benefit if he wasn't in the ranking, because if he 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:17.760 keeps winning lift tournaments. People are going to assume he's 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:19.119 the best player in the world, but he's not going 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:21.040 to be in the rankings, so there's all sorts of 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:27.280 issues coming up. I don't know. It's as I said, 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:28.840 if you had a hundred million dollar check in front 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.360 of you, a lot of people would have hard time 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.640 not taking that deal. Most people, I would imagine real quick. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.000 But let me just ask you this, Jeff. There's been 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.400 some thinking that you know, Cam was waiting until after 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:42.280 the President's Cup because he wants to play in that 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.359 and it would be you know, it's a feather in 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:46.280 the cap, and he would obviously be one of the 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.440 most important players on your team. Do you have any 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.880 reconnaissance about where what is thinking is for the President's 0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:56.399 Cup that you can share. We don't really. He's playing 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.760 a very excellent if he is going to go before 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.240 the President's Cup, he's playing an amazing game of poker, 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:05.359 you know, like we have zero sense, Like it feels 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:08.280 like it feels like he's going to play the President's Cup, 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:13.000 but when you read the newspaper and stuff, it seems 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.000 like it could be any day, like and now he's 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:16.520 injured this week, which adds us to a bit of 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:21.119 the intrigue and um, yeah, well from for all intents 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.639 and purposes, it's he's not communicating as much as like 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:27.240 all the guys who are like sort of deep inlift 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.720 conversations that they're obviously there's instructions to not communicate too much, 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:33.560 you know. Um, but our feeling is he's going to play. 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:37.679 But again we don't really know because it's not like 0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:40.639 there's long conversations every day with those guys. You know, 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.879 Jeff who who is his number one advisor? And what 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.560