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Speaker 1: It's it's it's clearly it's a career changing decision, and

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Speaker 1: it changing jobs, judging jobs for changing companies that you

429
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Speaker 1: work for. Right, So yeah, it doesn't need to happen.

430
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Speaker 1: It's not clearly not an instant. But I imagine on

431
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Speaker 1: the lip side of things, um, the more leverage they get.

432
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: I assume that the President's Cup and the Ryder Cup

433
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,159
Speaker 1: was two of their targets. It feels like, um, just

434
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Speaker 1: sort of do some damage to the President's Cup and

435
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Speaker 1: the Ryder Cup, which because gives them a bit more

436
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Speaker 1: power in the room. But I don't know, I don't know,

437
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Speaker 1: Like you said, you wouldn't You're not rushing a decision

438
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Speaker 1: like that, and there's no need to rush a decision

439
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Speaker 1: like that. Why wouldn't you finish out the year? I mean,

440
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Speaker 1: you've had a great year. I mean I can't ever

441
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Speaker 1: think of the year not starting at Cappelwa. So just

442
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Speaker 1: all I can remember from this season is the domination

443
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Speaker 1: at Cappeluah was just so fun to watch, Like I've

444
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Speaker 1: seen this has been the year of Cam and Scottie Scheffley.

445
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 1: You know, why wouldn't you be around at the end

446
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Speaker 1: for me? And then the President's Complement is such a

447
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,719
Speaker 1: fun tournament like it's and it's a quail Hollo one

448
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: of the two is cooler spots, and um, yeah, I

449
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: don't imagine why you wouldn't. But again I'm not in

450
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Speaker 1: all these conversations, so like, yeah, what about what about

451
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Speaker 1: Hideaki because he's obviously his name has been in play

452
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 1: for a long time, and he would be an anchor

453
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Speaker 1: for the international teams. Do you have any any insight

454
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Speaker 1: into which way the winds blowing around Hideki. No, there's

455
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 1: obviously a lot of rumors, I mean, and clearly there's

456
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: a lost in translation. Sometimes he's a talking about a

457
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,359
Speaker 1: card player, like he's brilliant at not giving anything away.

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Speaker 1: A Decki um our more concern as he went back

459
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Speaker 1: to Japan to get his neck looked at us him,

460
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Speaker 1: I think this week, um, he's a little bit injured.

461
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Speaker 1: I don't think we have a live concern with Dei Um.

462
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Speaker 1: There's clearly a massive offer. Well, there's rumors, have it,

463
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Speaker 1: you guys for everyone's heard it that they would love

464
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Speaker 1: that Japanese market. Um. But as far as President's Cup,

465
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Speaker 1: her Decki has been very active on our group chats

466
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Speaker 1: and stuff, and he's very invested in the tournament. And

467
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Speaker 1: our concern would be injury rather than him not being

468
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Speaker 1: available for sure, I mean we need he's one of

469
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Speaker 1: the best players in the world. Oh yeah, yeah, he

470
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Speaker 1: has a presence about him. When when you look at

471
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Speaker 1: the international players who have gone to live and it's

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Speaker 1: effect on the President's Cup, maybe answer has certainly been

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Speaker 1: a key guy for you guys. Um possibly used, maybe Ortiz,

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Speaker 1: maybe Grace. Are those the four the four that hurt

475
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Speaker 1: anyone else? I'm forgetting. I think the two that really

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Speaker 1: hurt Louis and Um. Louis has been in a lot,

477
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Speaker 1: and he's sort of he was the class clown, the

478
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Speaker 1: spirit in the bus. You know, he was bringing everyone

479
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Speaker 1: together just by just not taking anything too seriously. He

480
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Speaker 1: was a fun guy on the team, and he's been

481
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Speaker 1: there a lot. And Louis, for whatever he's probably arguably

482
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Speaker 1: in a way may be underachieved and just regular things,

483
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Speaker 1: but as soon as it becomes a big moment, Louie

484
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Speaker 1: is about as good as it gets. And he's a

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Speaker 1: big moment guy, and the president comes about big moments.

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Speaker 1: Louis and Abe, and Abe was obviously great last time.

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Speaker 1: We had that little sort of back and forward the

488
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Speaker 1: Tiger a little bit, and they had that great singles

489
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Speaker 1: matter and it was a sort of a great sort

490
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Speaker 1: of atmosphere there for their match last time, and he

491
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Speaker 1: was probably really excited about it. So they're they're they're

492
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Speaker 1: a loss for sure, and look not to cry poor

493
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Speaker 1: on talent, but our top twelve in the US Top twelve.

494
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Speaker 1: We're a little, probably bit behind, a tiny bit on talent,

495
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Speaker 1: but once you start removing people from the team, it's

496
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Speaker 1: the U S team is so deep. I mean, the

497
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Speaker 1: second twelve are pretty strong in the US team, you know,

498
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Speaker 1: I mean, whereas ours drops off a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: So it probably hurts us. I mean, I know the

500
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Speaker 1: US team has probably lost a couple of guys, but

501
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 1: it probably hurts us a little bit more. But there's

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Speaker 1: going to be a pretty strong feeling I imagine in

503
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Speaker 1: our team that nobody thinks we can win, So like,

504
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 1: come on, guys, let's show them. And we all know

505
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Speaker 1: that anyone's capable of bending anyone else on any given day.

506
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Speaker 1: And I think match plays more about headspace m anyway.

507
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Speaker 1: So it's going to be it's gonna be a different

508
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Speaker 1: looking team than we imagine six months ago, probably missing

509
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Speaker 1: a couple at the moment, hopefully only a couple, um,

510
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Speaker 1: but I think it will be as I said, I mean,

511
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Speaker 1: anyone in the top fifty players in the world can

512
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Speaker 1: have a good day and beat anybody else, you know,

513
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Speaker 1: And if you get that spirit, We've seen it with

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Speaker 1: great team, have seen it with a rat Cup in

515
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Speaker 1: with Europe, a lot of times there that they had

516
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Speaker 1: zero chance on paper, but they would completely dominate. I

517
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Speaker 1: think there's a chance for our team to create that

518
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Speaker 1: sort of feeling because of what's going on, you know,

519
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: So it'll be interesting. This is so off the news.

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Speaker 1: You may be annoyed that I'm even asking the question,

521
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: but I am curious, as Jeff, what's your overall take

522
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Speaker 1: on Cam Smith playing that ball right off the red line,

523
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Speaker 1: not knowing the ruling, and then getting the penalty a

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Speaker 1: day later. Um, I don't love that stuff. Um, well,

525
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Speaker 1: there's too so. I mean, as a general high level

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00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: of feeling of the rules. UM, I always feel like

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Speaker 1: if the player didn't get an unfair advantage, then they

528
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: shouldn't be penalized, you know. I mean that the rules

529
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Speaker 1: are really there so people don't get unfair advantages, you know, effectively. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's actually difficult to play off the paint. The paint

531
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Speaker 1: is a bit stickier. You'd rather not be on the paint. Um.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone in that field would have said, oh, sure,

533
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Speaker 1: camp delets a two shot penalty there, you've got an

534
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Speaker 1: advantage for doing that. So I don't really love that

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Speaker 1: the idea, but the other side of that is we're

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Speaker 1: golfers who grow up knowing that the rules are the

537
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Speaker 1: rules and the way they are, and it's our responsibility

538
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Speaker 1: to know the rules, and if we don't, if we're

539
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Speaker 1: not sure, we got to ask an official, and there's

540
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Speaker 1: never an official too far away. So it's it's kind

541
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Speaker 1: of on Cam forgetting it wrong. I think it's definitely

542
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Speaker 1: on Camp for getting wrong, and probably arguably it does

543
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Speaker 1: have a penalty if you get it wrong. But I

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Speaker 1: think on a high level, I don't think we should

545
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Speaker 1: get penalties for stuff like that because I don't think

546
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Speaker 1: he's getting advantage out of I think the rules committee

547
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Speaker 1: is looking at again, you know what, you broke the rule, Cam.

548
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 1: Next time, you've got to make sure you know on

549
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 1: the line. And but it's not like he's cheating the

550
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: field by hitting it off the line, you know, Whereas

551
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: if you take it wrong, dropping you closer to the hole,

552
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: or there's some sort of sort of violation that clearly

553
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,719
Speaker 1: like you've got the wrong grooves in your wedge or

554
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: all those things, are your ball rolls closer to the

555
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: hole in the grain or something like one of those things.

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00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: I think there's a there's an argument, could he's got

557
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: an advantage out of it, But it's a little bit

558
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: like the dustin thing, right, it's a completely different rule.

559
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: But like no one in the field got dustin, didn't

560
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Speaker 1: get advantaged by his ball rolling on the green there oak,

561
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 1: but there was no advantage to it. Um. But that's

562
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: more of a high level discussion and that specific Okay,

563
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Speaker 1: was that enough on the fence? That was a bit

564
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Speaker 1: on the fence? Just very briefly, what is the logic

565
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Speaker 1: by which if you take really if you must take

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Speaker 1: complete full relief? Um, I don't know. You have to

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Speaker 1: ask the s g A and the RNA. I've always

568
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: got ground under repair, was always a complete relief situation

569
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: because the ground is under repair and the superintendent of

570
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,959
Speaker 1: the course wants you to stay off that area. So

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Speaker 1: if you drop your ball out of it, get out

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Speaker 1: of it. You know, um has it? I'm not really

573
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Speaker 1: sure to be honest, because you're allowed to play out

574
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Speaker 1: of a hazard. You know, if the balls on the

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00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: other side of the line and he was chipping from

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Speaker 1: if his ball had ended up an inch on the

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Speaker 1: other side of the line, and it just state that

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00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: he just would have chipped it, And that's fine. Um,

579
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: but I guess if you're taking relief, I guess that

580
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: theory is if you take relief, you have to take relief.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, it's you have to ask them blue coats.

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Speaker 1: The other part that's interesting about this is, you know,

583
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Speaker 1: the rules of golf have evolved where they're trying to

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Speaker 1: take away the fan at home from calling in violations,

585
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: and you know the Lexie Thompson rules basically ended that practice.

586
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: But you have this actual PG to a rules official

587
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: who's watching a late night replay, and that's where the

588
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 1: violation was flagged. Like, to me, that kind of falls

589
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: under the LEXI really, I mean he is an official,

590
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: but it didn't happen during the competition. He was no

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Speaker 1: longer the person saw the infraction, was no longer at

592
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: the tournament site. You know, he's on his couch, and like, um,

593
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: you know you've you've to me it violates the spirit

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Speaker 1: of the new rule, which is we don't want people

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Speaker 1: at home calling penalties. I guess because this is a

596
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: tour official, it's slightly different. But um, even that, you

597
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: know that you can make an argument that one once

598
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: two hours, four hours whatever, once someone's had dinner, whatever,

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00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: the line of demarcation is like the statue of limitation

600
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: should expire, but in this case it went led all

601
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Speaker 1: the way into the next day, which is the nightmare

602
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: scenario because it not only did it affect of the pairings,

603
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, more to the point, all the

604
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: people who are wagering on the final round and the

605
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: outcome put their money down before knowing about the penalty,

606
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 1: and it just got super duper messy. I mean, what

607
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 1: does your take, Jeff on just the ability to um

608
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: beyond this particular rule and the red line. But should

609
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: we be able to retroactively award penalties when new information emerges?

610
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: Probably not, You're right, I mean, it's too complicated and messy.

611
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: And from a player's perspective inside the ropes, generally speaking,

612
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: if you're playing partners are fine with it, it should

613
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: be fine, you know what I mean, And there should

614
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: be you've got you've always got a feeling when a

615
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: guy is taking a drop if you're not very happy

616
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: with it or you're happy with it as a player. Um,

617
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: If if you're playing partners are fine with it, and

618
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: it goes and the scorecards go in, I mean they're in,

619
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Speaker 1: you know, like I think there should AH certainly be well,

620
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: I thought we did have their statute limitations, but I

621
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: assumed that. But I imagine the rules official is different

622
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: from just a random caller. Um. Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't think you should be able to get a

624
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: pendley basically after your scorecards in really if there's any issue, Um,

625
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people watching professional golf tournaments. That

626
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: was on the broadcast. By issue, obviously it was on

627
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Speaker 1: the broadcast because he saw it on a replay. If

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Speaker 1: it's not caught in the broadcast and the school by

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Speaker 1: the time it gets in, I guess it should be over. Um,

630
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Speaker 1: But I don't know. Are there situations where what if

631
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: somebody gets found out the next morning to have a

632
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: drive that doesn't pass the test, or you know what

633
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: I mean, he's been using it all week, or I

634
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: don't know. There's obviously going to be exceptions to the

635
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: black and white rule, common sense and to pro viole

636
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: at some point, as I said, there's no advantage, he

637
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: had no advantage ing enough not having it half an

638
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: inch more away from the line, there's no it's almost

639
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: the disadvantages they're playing off the paint, and I don't

640
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: think any player in the field would have kid that

641
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: he played it from there, you know, it isn't that

642
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: the point of the rules? Yeah, but just to to

643
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: to play Devil's advocate here. If if that becomes the standard,

644
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: then you have to have someone to adjudicate all these decisions,

645
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: like there's a rule, but did you get an advantage

646
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: or not? And then you're gonna have to go to

647
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: a tribunal. Who's gonna have to decide these things? Um?

648
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: You know, if the rules a rule and either you

649
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: break it you didn't, it's pretty black and white. But

650
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: if you get into intent advantage, then then it's starting

651
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: to get a little murky, right, and someone's gonna have

652
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: to to answer those questions in real time over and over.

653
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: I this, Yeah, Well, I don't know. I just think

654
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: it's all take it just a little bit too seriously.

655
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think, like you've said it here, like the wagering.

656
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: I think whenever you introduced gambling to any sport, the

657
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: the rules officiating an adjudication of the rules in the

658
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: sport just gets over the type. I mean, you know,

659
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: you have to watch NFL for ten minutes to realize

660
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: that you almost can't have a rule, a decision that's

661
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: not viewed over fifty four times to make sure that

662
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: it's like by the letter of the law. It would

663
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: be a shame if golf went that way, But if

664
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: you want to introduce gambling to a sport, that's where

665
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: it's going to end up. Hopefully there's a common sense

666
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: situation where we can just basically play golf like we

667
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: normally do. Ercent of golfers I've ever played with fastidious

668
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: about the rules, and they there they would they wouldn't

669
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: improve their life, no one was watching because they just

670
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't feel like a proper golfer if they did it.

671
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: I hope we can retain that spirit and everyone can

672
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: understand that that's really none know I'm putting on percent

673
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: a golfer's perspective is that I wouldn't be I couldn't

674
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: sleep at not if I knew I'd done something wrong.

675
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: And I'm sure Cam's designment, but we just innocently just

676
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: didn't know he did anything wrong. In that situation, you know,

677
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: I'd be a shamed if we went that way, where

678
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: we actually have the video review every rule, and have

679
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: rules officials in every group and have someone standing our

680
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: view every time you take a drop, and I think

681
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: it would be a shame. Okay, Well, since we're talking

682
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: about the rules and um and how players view themselves

683
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: and their reputations, let's just get to this lawsuit that

684
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: Patrick read filed against Brandal Shambilee and Golf Channel. Um.

685
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's interesting because then he's gonna have

686
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: to he's opening us all to a lot of scrutiny here.

687
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: But what was interesting. I read through the whole thirty

688
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: page brief, and um, it's it's interesting reading. I'll say that.

689
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Reid has there's a couple different attentions.

690
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: One is that that Shamble and the Golf Channel have

691
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: damaged his reputation and cost him a lot of money

692
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: in the marketplace. That might be easier to prove than

693
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: because what they keep coming back to is he didn't

694
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: intentionally cheat. Uh that he was he was exonerated by

695
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: rules officials on the scene or they gave him two

696
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: stroke penalty for not knowing the rule, but they didn't

697
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: just qualify him for purposely cheating. So it's a very

698
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: interesting thing because they cite in this in this, in

699
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: this lawsuit, over and over the fact that that he

700
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: was exonerated by the rules officials and or Okay, he

701
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 1: broke the rule, it was a mistake, he accepted the penalty,

702
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: but that making mistakes not the same as cheating, and

703
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: you can't prove intent. So this is gonna get this

704
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: is gonna play out in you know, federal court some

705
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: of these some of these things you're talking about, Jeff,

706
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: which what is your take on on a player taking

707
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: taking this issue into the court system. So I don't know,

708
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: This is why ants out of my realm of normal

709
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: thinking about golf. I uh, I'll leave that one to

710
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: those guys. I think it's a shame. Uh, it's a shine. Yeah,

711
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean look, I think yeah, I don't know. I

712
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know where to go on. I

713
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: think journalists should be allowed to do their job and

714
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: if they say something and they want to say something,

715
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: that should be alowed to say something. There's obviously always

716
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: been some sort of protections for journalists and there should be.

717
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 1: That's your role is to sort throw an opinion out there.

718
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: So I don't know, it's it's murky. I'll just stay away.

719
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: As I said, I think journalist should be able to

720
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: say what they want, but obviously there's within reason. You know,

721
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 1: I don't know all the specifics. You read the thing.

722
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: You probably can say more to this than I can,

723
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: because you've read the brief, which is an impressive thing

724
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: to do in itself. I'm a legal analyst. Now you know.

725
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: I was up in the Courtrooan San Jose, so I've

726
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm taking out a new role here. Michael, what do

727
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: you think about this? I know that part of your

728
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: discomfort with this, the whole emergence of Live is that

729
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: it's just the gentleman's game, and now everyone's mad at

730
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: each other and pointing fingers and there's a lot of

731
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: unhappiness and rancor. So this just adds another log on

732
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: the fire. What's your take on this list? I think

733
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: Brandon has done a very good job of standing up

734
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: not for quote traditional values, but that the rules of

735
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: Sacro sanct and even Nick Falda right there in the

736
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: moment was part of me. If I don't have this correct,

737
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: but I think that I do. I think it was

738
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: Nick Faldo was saying it's extremely unusual, and Jeff would

739
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: attested this. I I believe he would. I'm sure he

740
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: would it's extremely unusual to see a player touching golf ball.

741
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's like almost like a soccer football player, uh,

742
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: touching a football um with his hand during play without

743
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: bringing people over to do it first. So, you know,

744
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: just talking about the San Diego event and then going

745
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: and then going to the Bahamas event, I assume they're

746
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: they're discussed. I have not read the brief yet. Alan

747
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: Kudosi here for doing so. Um uh. But then in

748
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: the Bahamas event, you know again, Ricky Fowler was commenting

749
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: on how bizarre it was for that clubhead to make

750
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: contact with the sand before he played the before he

751
00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: played the shot. So um. To Jeff's point, in our profession,

752
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: this is what we do. Uh, we comment, we interpret,

753
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: we report and um. And this is like a chilling effect.

754
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: And Brandall's felt it before. And um, I'm sure he

755
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: lives at this to this day. But in two thousand thirteen,

756
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: when Tiger had that problem um in the woods at

757
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: the BMW event, maybe Jeff was playing in that event

758
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: that week. Um, Brandall called it as he saw it.

759
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: I would say he did his job. I basically wrote

760
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: pretty much what Brandon was Branda was saying, and and

761
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 1: Brandall paid for it. He felt the full part of me,

762
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: He felt the full weight of Mark Steinberg and Tiger

763
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: Woods and the PGA Tour and Golf Channel's relationship with

764
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods, and um, you know, are all of our cultures, uh,

765
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,719
Speaker 1: in our society, in democratic societies, are based on these

766
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: checks and balance systems. So we'd be lost without him.

767
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: So I agree with Jeff. It is a shame him,

768
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: but it is happening, and um, you know, and it's

769
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: telling again about just the fact that the suit exists

770
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: reveals more about Patrick Read, how he plays golf, how

771
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: he talks about golf, the way he talked to the

772
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: rules official at San Diego. I mean, people reveal themselves

773
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: in all sorts of different ways. And I guess one

774
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: of the things you have to take from this lawsuit

775
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: is not what does this say about Brande shamble in

776
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: Golf Channel, but what does it say about Patrick Reed?

777
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 1: The fact that he even filed the suit? Right, and

778
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: you know his choice of lawyers. It's this arch conservative

779
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: who filed the number of lawsuits against Hillary Clinton and

780
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: he's been involved in a lot of uh messy litigation.

781
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: So um, it is revealing. But what was what was

782
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: fascinating is it reads more like a public relations document,

783
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: and that the whole thing that Tiger and Brandle is

784
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: cited in some detail in Our friend Mark Steinberg is

785
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,280
Speaker 1: quoted at length and it's quite interesting. But the bulk

786
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: of the brief is really about live golf, and they

787
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: they are asserting that the co defendants, Brandle and the

788
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: and the Golf Channel are conspiring with the PGA Tour

789
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: to damage live golf, and that some of the things

790
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: that Brandle said about MBS, the Saudi Arabian government calling them,

791
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: you know, murderers and everything like that, by association there,

792
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: they're now putting that label on Patrick Reed. And so

793
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: even it's just incredible the tentacles of this story, how

794
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: they keep spreading throughout the golf and the sports world.

795
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: So now there's I was joking about being legal analysts,

796
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: but not entirely because this is the second legal brief

797
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: I've read in the span of a week, because I

798
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: was in the courtroom when that injunction was heard about.

799
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: You know, the three live guys were trying to force

800
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: their way into the into the PGA Tour, Fedics Cup events,

801
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: and so it's just a wild time. I mean, ordinarily

802
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: we'd be talking about, you know, golf courses and golf shots.

803
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: I mean that hasn't even discussed on this podcast because

804
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: all these macro developments that it just kind of makes

805
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: my head spin. I get uh, and it sends. Patrick

806
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: read his second page right out of the Trump playbook.

807
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: I was with Trump at his web course was at

808
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: the West Pond Beach Course, and as I remember, his

809
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 1: West Bond Beach Course had been in the top hundred

810
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: on the Golf Digest lists, and that had fallen, by

811
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 1: Trump's accounting to one oh one, so it wasn't on

812
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: the list. And he said the reason was because Ron

813
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: Witten had made a thirty six on the eighteenth pole

814
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: by depositing twelve consecutive balls into a water hazard. And

815
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: then he said that Ron Witton skipped lunch and went

816
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: to the range and came back for the dessert course

817
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: and had worked everything out by that point. But anyway,

818
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: a digression to say that Trump was going to sue

819
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: Golf Digest in Shrump's so language, of course, was as

820
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: you know, essentially a pr campaign saying that it was

821
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: a rig system. And I don't I don't know. I

822
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: don't believe it is a rig system. But but but

823
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: Trump was going to contend that it was and that

824
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: they were conspiring to keep Trump out of the top hundred.

825
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,280
Speaker 1: Uh So it looks like Pat reed based on about

826
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: the same Yeah. Yeah, And it's I mean, Jeff, you're

827
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're an insiders insider. I mean, you're

828
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: a President's Cup captain, and even though you haven't been

829
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: playing as much competitive golf, I mean, you're you're part

830
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: of this very exclusive fraternity as a US Open champion

831
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: and and all these things, and um, you know, for us,

832
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: this is all a gift from the content gods. I mean,

833
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: it's been. It's it's made this whole year incredibly interesting,

834
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: and it's it's not going to quit. Clearly for you

835
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: as as someone who's on the outside looking in from Australia,

836
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: but he's also you know, in these inner sanctums in

837
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 1: the team rooms and whatever. How does all this hit

838
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: you emotionally? Where this this very chaotic moment in golf.

839
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: It's it's just kyote, It's crazy. Um, I just hope

840
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: there's not too much blood on the floor at the

841
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:06,959
Speaker 1: end of it, you know, I mean, I can't see

842
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,399
Speaker 1: golf and not finding its way through this. I mean,

843
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 1: it's too old, it's too good, there's too much tradition,

844
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: it's too loved around the world. It's just all this

845
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: carnage and this this personal attacks on people. I just

846
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: think it's sad, Like you say that we're not sitting

847
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: here talking about the merits of the FedEx Cup playoffs

848
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 1: and the upcoming President's Cup and um reminiscing on the

849
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: Scheffler Smith sort of year of domination. And I don't know,

850
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: it's like, I just hope we can find our way

851
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: through with the p g A Tour not taking too

852
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: much damage because I think it's the best game in town.

853
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 1: It always has been. I think there's the tradition. Um,

854
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: that's some great tournaments, some really old tournaments have been

855
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: around a long time. You've just got go the way

856
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: back to like Jack and Arnold sort of formalizing it,

857
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: but even back to Sneed and Nelson and Hogan and

858
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: all that. I mean, I just think there's too much

859
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: tradition for it to be too jeopardized. And I sure,

860
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: I just hope that it ends up relatively undamaged. Um.

861
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,760
Speaker 1: I don't wish Ill Will of any of the global

862
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: I think the global golf schedule could benefit from golf

863
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: outside the US. You know, does it need to be

864
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: forty five weeks a year in the US, I don't know,

865
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: but I just had that core PGA to schedule tournaments.

866
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: I really hope that it stays the thing, you know, um,

867
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: whether it looks like it does as I said, if

868
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 1: it covers the whole year, or there's some room for

869
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: other stuff in there. There probably should be other stuff

870
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: in there, really when you think about it, but I

871
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: just hope there's just not too much blood on the

872
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 1: floor and too many players don't get canceled and we

873
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: have played this doesn't become the norm that we're sing

874
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: journalists for deformation of character and um this, I just

875
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: hope golf doesn't go that direction. It's just too nice

876
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: a support for it to get so nasty, you know, like,

877
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: why can't we just go play golf. The whole pot

878
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: of golf is just getting together with your friends and

879
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: having a good time. Like at this point, the end

880
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: of the competitive thing, it's somehow golf had retained that

881
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: purity that most other sports hadn't, and that's sort of

882
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: we've been dragged into the sort of the fray a

883
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: little bit by this whole thing. So I just hope

884
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: there's not. As I said, there's just not too much damage.

885
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: The PGR two states the number one game in town.

886
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,439
Speaker 1: I'd loved. I think it's cool that other stuff could

887
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: potentially happen around outside that and players can make a

888
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: lot of money. I'm a professional golfer. I love the

889
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: idea that someone wants to put a billion or two

890
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: or three billion into golf. I mean, that's just amazing.

891
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: The ability to take a catchphrase from the live side

892
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: of things, to grow the game or at least two

893
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: put events on where they haven't had events, have more

894
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: players is arguably, forty eight players making golf is now

895
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: going to make more money. There's gonna be forty eight

896
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: more spots on the pg I two And that's good, right,

897
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: you know why? Um yeah, I'll just type of this

898
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: it all. We we get out the other end of

899
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: this with a sensible golf landscape without too much damaged

900
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: down along the way. See, I think, Jeff you made

901
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: a very generous comment that, of course Greg Norman would

902
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:26,799
Speaker 1: never never agree with that. These core American tournaments that

903
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: we've known for years that we three have known for years.

904
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: And of course, Jeff, you've lived in this country, uh

905
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: maybe almost half your life, probably not quite that um,

906
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 1: but l A and Fort Worth and you know, Chicago

907
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: and Honolulu and lots of other events, twenty or more

908
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: Hill in the head plus the majors, three of the

909
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: majors anyway, Well, Greg Norman has been saying since the

910
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: mid nineties, aided and embedded by by seven when they

911
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,919
Speaker 1: were you know, the two most charismatic players in the game.

912
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: Is the PGA Tour should not be the star of

913
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: all tours and there really should be a world tour.

914
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: And that's really where this thing has been headed in

915
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: Greg Norman's mind from the beginning. And I think that

916
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: is really what's in jeopardy here. Is the pH A

917
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,919
Speaker 1: Tour still going to be the king of the Hill

918
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:24,279
Speaker 1: of professional golf? Or will something supplanted? So if if

919
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: those if that's the if, those are the two sites

920
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: of this fight, this fight will have a very ugly

921
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: end or there will be some kind of major, major reconciliation.

922
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: And and and I don't know, I don't know what

923
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: the saudis uh backed by Greg Norman's uh ferocious campaign

924
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: would actually accept because it takes two sides to have

925
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: some kind of peace treaty. That's true. But I mean

926
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 1: what the Saudis want more than anything is legitimacy. They

927
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: want to be well, they want to see at the table.

928
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: They want to be part of the Western world. And

929
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: what would be a greater embrace than by all the

930
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: governing bodies of the sport and the royal and ancient

931
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, all these tweety fellows. Um, I

932
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: think that, would you know? That would be the ultimate

933
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,799
Speaker 1: validation that they have arrived in a certain ways. So

934
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: I think that I think they would be happy to

935
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: make it work with with the PGA Tour and the

936
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: other governing bodies if such an offer is presented. But um,

937
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: how that would work from business standpoint and how the

938
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: how the pie would get divvied up. But they would

939
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: certainly get a cut of this gigantic TV contract that

940
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 1: the tour enjoys, and that's something that saluted to live

941
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: golf so far. So I think a compromise would be attractive. Now,

942
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 1: whether Gregg himself would want to do that, you know,

943
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: he seems to enjoy the joustings, so I don't know.

944
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: But I didn't. I didn't want to ask you that, Jeff,

945
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: because um it's funny. I did a radio interview this

946
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: afternoon and then Peter Jacobson heard it and he called

947
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 1: me up. And if you think about the most amiable

948
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: kind of guys in golf, I mean, Jake has no edge,

949
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: but he was fired up, but he wanted to really

950
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: talk about this stuff. And one thing you said about Norman,

951
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: which I thought was really interesting, was I don't understand

952
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 1: where his anger comes from. You know, it seems like

953
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: Greg's always been so angry, and um, you know some

954
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,760
Speaker 1: of that has played out now in in this public space.

955
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: I mean, what is what is your take on Greg

956
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: Norman as a person, what drives him and why he's

957
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: still fighting this fight into his late sixties. Firstly, I

958
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: mean I've been good friends with Greg for a long

959
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: time and he was a fantastic captain for US. But

960
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: he was our hero growing up in Australia. I mean

961
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: he was he was Tiger before Targo Kanada. I mean,

962
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: he was number one in the world for ten years

963
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: pod part, but he had the biggest crowds. I mean,

964
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: history isn't looking very favorably on his record, but he's

965
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: he was an unbelievable player for long time. Mean, he

966
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: was out here. It was like a movie start persona.

967
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: And so when I got to play with him and

968
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: he was out, Captain the President's come for a couple

969
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: of presents, carps and stayed at his house and it

970
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: was kind of close there for a few years. It

971
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: was incredibly generous, amazingly capable sort of guy this and

972
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: he was great. He's always been great to me. The obviously,

973
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: at some point when he was number one in the world,

974
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: something bugged him, or something got under his skin, or

975
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: somebody talked to him, and it just became his mission

976
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 1: right world tour sort of situation, U anti pot of adra,

977
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: I've got a better idea, and this is right. I

978
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 1: think there's just a stubborn element that I'm right, you're

979
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: wrong kind of thing to this. You know, he's clearly

980
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: probably got a lot of good ideas. I don't know.

981
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he was a number one in the world

982
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: for a long time. He's got access to a lot

983
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: of really highly high powerful people who have probably said

984
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 1: to him at amazing dinners sometimes with presidents and CEOs

985
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: and stuff, that you should do this would be great

986
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: and will sponsor and blah blah blah. And he gets

987
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: an idea and he said and he runs with it. Um,

988
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any ad intent. I think he's

989
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: just carried away and he's excited that he thinks he's

990
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 1: got a really cool thing. Yeah, I mean, look like

991
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 1: there probably is. I think. To save all the blood

992
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: on the floor, if you if you buy into the

993
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: argument that the lives so out he sided, they're not

994
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: going to go away. The only answer is a compromise.

995
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: If they're not going to go away, it doesn't nobody wins.

996
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: If we just fight this fight for ten years, like

997
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 1: the sooner they can get down and sit at the

998
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: table and say, right, what does everybody want? You guys

999
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: have lots of money, We have tradition and legitimacy. How

1000
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: can we connect those two and make it great? You know,

1001
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: like I don't see any other fast That's the fastest

1002
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: way to a good solution, you know, is that they

1003
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: sit down and right, we've got the I mean, the

1004
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: pH I two has tradition, it has the tournaments, it's

1005
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: got the structure that the whole infrastructure and the legitimacy

1006
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: and the relationship with the sponsors and the TV and

1007
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: like all you say. I mean, it's just so much

1008
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 1: going for the p G a tour but arguably the

1009
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,359
Speaker 1: biggest sponsor in the world. You know, the people who

1010
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 1: dig oil out of the ground are the biggest sponsor

1011
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: in the world if you look at Saudi as an

1012
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: oil company if you like. Um, finding a way to

1013
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: have the PGA to benefit golf is a sport benefit

1014
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: from the biggest sponsor in the world wanting to get involved,

1015
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,879
Speaker 1: I think is the fastest way to know blood bath.

1016
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it would be it would be ship if

1017
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: we were going for five years with this fraction sport.

1018
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 1: You know, I don't think anybody wants I understand why

1019
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 1: nobody wants to get them involved, but they are involved now,

1020
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,239
Speaker 1: and if they're not actually going to go anywhere. The

1021
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: fastest way it would be better if the PGA to

1022
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: a controlled golf, I mean, because they've proven that they

1023
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: do a pretty good job at it. You know, to

1024
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: have some rogue sort of situation if you force them

1025
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 1: into having if you if you bring them to the table,

1026
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: maybe you can get them to have legitimate tournaments in

1027
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: the fall or away from the really important stuff and

1028
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: and legitimately call it a silly season. That might be

1029
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: enough for them to get involved. I mean it takes

1030
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: years and minutes that Dallas has been a tournament for

1031
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: I wouldn't know eighty years or something. Barron Nelson said

1032
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: on the eighteenth grade for fifty years. Like you can't

1033
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 1: build that with a check with money, you know, Like

1034
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: you can't recreate the Memorial in a year. You can't

1035
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:29,759
Speaker 1: recreate Hilton Head or the l A Open or It's

1036
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: Only Open or Canadian Open. You just you can't just

1037
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: create tradition. You've got to earn it. And I think, um,

1038
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: if if if you feel like they're not going to

1039
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,839
Speaker 1: go away and they're going to stay here, I don't

1040
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: understand why we wouldn't give them a chunk of the

1041
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: year and let them earn their legitimacy. You know, build

1042
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: some tradition, earn some legitimacy, make our members a pile

1043
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: of money over here, But stroke place season that the

1044
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: serious goalf happens from January to August or whatever it is.

1045
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: This isn't real golf over there. You can pay pay

1046
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: my players, do whatever you want to do over here.

1047
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: That's your speed. But we do golf properly, and you

1048
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,440
Speaker 1: have to prove to us that you can do it properly,

1049
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: to me that it's something in that sort of area.

1050
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: Is the only way is to to avoid the most

1051
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: blood on the floor and to stop all this petty,

1052
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: petty sort of arguing and players hating players inside the

1053
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: locker room and crazy tweets and lawsuits and it's just messy,

1054
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: and it's just it needs to just the faster we

1055
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: get to the end of it, the better. I think

1056
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: it might be great for journalists, as you said, it's

1057
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: it's a year of content. You've got no shortage of

1058
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: stuff to write about, to talk about. But it's too

1059
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: good a sport play around with it like this to

1060
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: just have just to have ah ego contests on one

1061
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: side and the other. I think it's there. It's a

1062
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: shame because it's just going to be messy until it

1063
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: gets sorted alan from from what do you from you

1064
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: have seen and from what you have heard in your reporting,

1065
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour is based on having fans on the

1066
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: golf course and having people watch it on TV. That's

1067
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:13,359
Speaker 1: the whole economic model and the charity model for the thing.

1068
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: Fans on the golf course, people watching on TV, and

1069
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: you need name players for those two things that happen

1070
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: generally speaking, sometimes that happens without really big name players.

1071
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: From what you've seen, what you've heard on Do the

1072
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: Saudis really care about those two things? Is that important

1073
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: to them? Well, they're they're definitely trying hard to lock

1074
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: in the streaming and television component. I mean that's important

1075
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: to their model. And you know a Ramco just the

1076
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 1: Saudi Oil Company just had a profit of forty eight

1077
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: billion dollars for the second quarter. That's an all time record.

1078
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: So clearly they have the resources to play the long

1079
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: game here and they don't need a TV contract, but

1080
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: it gives it again, it confers legitimacy, It brings value

1081
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: to the players and to the whole thing. And just

1082
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: from taking aside of the economic component, if you're not

1083
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,359
Speaker 1: on TV, you don't matter like in sports right like that,

1084
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: you're small time. So they need a TV deal to

1085
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 1: make all this work on different levels, and they will

1086
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: get one. Now exactly what it looks like, who knows,

1087
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: but it's gonna happen um and maybe maybe it's only streaming,

1088
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: which is kind of the same as TV now but

1089
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: like you look at Apple, TV is desperate for content.

1090
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: They're a big player. Um, there's a lot of there's

1091
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: a lot of analogous platforms they can go to that

1092
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 1: um don't have live sports. And we all know live

1093
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: sports is incredibly valuable because it's the one thing that

1094
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: people are not going to watch on their DVR and

1095
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: you can actually place commercials into and people have to watch,

1096
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 1: they can't they can't skip them. So live sports still

1097
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: has a unique value in this very fractured media landscape. So, UM,

1098
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: there the fan energy and you know, I'm only one

1099
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: in two reports has been all through these live events

1100
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,960
Speaker 1: so far, and they do have energy. It's an interesting

1101
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: mix of personalities in the in the gallery, I mean

1102
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: there's a sense of of the forbidden and and also

1103
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: sticking it to the man, like you can't tell me

1104
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: not to come here and enjoy myself. I'm gonna drink

1105
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: three beers. I don't have a damn good time. You know,

1106
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: there's like there's kind of this freewheeling energy. Certainly we

1107
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: know the old the biggest disruptor and modern American life

1108
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: is Donald Trump, and and that there was kind of

1109
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: that feeling in the air at bed Minister, like we

1110
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 1: do things our way and we're not beholding to the system,

1111
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: and the fans are kind of oozing that it's really interesting. Um.

1112
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: And then there's there's hardcore fans. Like one thing like

1113
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: LIVE has done very cleverly is go to these cities

1114
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: that are starved for golf. So Portland has not had

1115
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: a tour event and forever, and people if they want

1116
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: to see high level golf, they're gonna come out and

1117
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: watch it. You know. There's some of some of the

1118
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: hardos who follow me on Twitter were out there and

1119
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: they were just they just wanted to watch guys hit

1120
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: golf shots, you know, ten feet away. And you know

1121
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: Chicago doesn't have as tour stop anymore. Um, they're going

1122
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: there soon. Boston had the US Open this year, but

1123
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: Boston's kind of been taken off the road to of

1124
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: the playoffs to a large degree. So, you know, Live

1125
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: they've identified some markets where there's just a pent up

1126
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: enthusiasm to watch great golf in person. And I think

1127
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: fans can compartmentalize and uh, and or they don't care,

1128
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: or they're actually enjoying like being out there because it's

1129
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: forbidden and they're not supposed to be there, Like there's

1130
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: just there's a lot of things that play, but I

1131
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: think there will be fans. Um. It is a cool

1132
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: atmosphere in that you know, we've all you and I

1133
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: Michael have had stuffer through this many times, like uh,

1134
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: Tiger's team off at seven twenty and fills not teen

1135
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: off till and you gotta put into fourteen hour day

1136
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: if you want to watch both of them play golf

1137
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: and write about it. I mean, in this society, we're

1138
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: in the instant gratification. The whole thing happens in four

1139
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: and a half hours. Like everyone's on the golf course.

1140
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: You get in, you get out. It's not a huge commitment.

1141
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: You're guaranteed to see the players you want to see

1142
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: because they're on the golf course when when you're there

1143
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: and it's just not that way. And at PG Turvent,

1144
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: especially on Thursday and Friday where there's all these the

1145
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,439
Speaker 1: morning of the afternoon wave, I mean, you can miss

1146
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: players you want to see because you just can't invest

1147
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: the time. Like Live is solve that, and I think

1148
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: it's a good product for for today's you know, very

1149
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: limited tention spans. So all the jokes about the shotgun

1150
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: are funny, but I think it's actually a pretty good

1151
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 1: product and it's certainly um it makes for a tidy,

1152
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 1: you know, viewer experience and if you're in person, So

1153
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: I think I think it's gonna grow. I mean, uh,

1154
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 1: you know, if if you're a golf fan and Camp

1155
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: Smith's come to town, you want to go watch him,

1156
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, hit chips and pitches, right, And I don't

1157
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: think you really care what uniform he is wearing on

1158
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: some level, like it's just it's a pleasure to watch

1159
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: these guys play golf and um, you know we can

1160
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: we don't have to go down the rabbit hole of

1161
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: how the Saudis are all part of our lives in

1162
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: different ways, from from Uber to the local gas pumps,

1163
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: Like you have to compartmentalize if you're a human being

1164
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: and you're walking this earth, like there's um and I

1165
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: think sports fans are good at that. So um yeah,

1166
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 1: I think I think I think the fan experience and

1167
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: I will say, like the concession prices are really low,

1168
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 1: the food is really good. Um, you know they've done

1169
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: the parking is free and it's easy, like they've done

1170
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: a lot of little things on the margins to make

1171
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: the experience really good for fans on the ground and

1172
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: so um, you know, the music on the driving range

1173
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,880
Speaker 1: is kind of fun. They have good playlists. I've been

1174
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: I've been monitoring the playlist quite closely. So there's there's

1175
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: a lot of little things that they've done right. And

1176
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 1: there's i mean, there's I've never seen so many porta

1177
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 1: potties at a sporting event, right. It doesn't seem like

1178
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: a big deal, but it is like you can ruin

1179
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: your whole day if you can't find a bathroom when

1180
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: you really need it or it's super gross. And we've

1181
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: all had that experience at at at sporting events. So

1182
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: they do care about the fan experience and they are

1183
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: trying hard in that regard. So I think that that

1184
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: that component will will continue to go. Are they shopping

1185
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,920
Speaker 1: for Are they shopping for a gambling deal now or

1186
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: a draftking pype deal now? I'm sure they are. I'm

1187
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: gonna've heard a lot of different things about that. I mean,

1188
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,120
Speaker 1: it's just such a gold mine. I mean, to Jeff's point,

1189
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,040
Speaker 1: the only thing that could probably produce same kind of

1190
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: revenue is oil is gambling, right, and so um, they're

1191
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 1: they're not a fuddy duddy old institution like the PGA

1192
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 1: Tour who for so long kept gambling at arm's length.

1193
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 1: Of course, now that's changed because it has to, because

1194
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: that's just that's where society has gone. But yeah, no doubt.

1195
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,479
Speaker 1: I mean it fits the sort of the Maverick brand

1196
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: that Live is created. Why wouldn't they have go all

1197
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 1: in with on on the gambling component as well. And

1198
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: do you think with with the PG two being so

1199
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: wedded to being a not for profit and Live being

1200
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: so publicly we are for profit company or we intend

1201
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: to make money eventually, um, do you think that makes

1202
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: for a cultural mis mismatch that that that would be

1203
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 1: it an obstacle to creating a PACE treaty? Yeah, I mean,

1204
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: you know that was that was obviously. Jay Bonhand is

1205
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: known from the beginning that he's outgunned when it comes

1206
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: to money, and he said as much. And so his

1207
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: first line defend was the moral argument, you know, you'll

1208
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: never have to apologize for being a PGA Tour member.

1209
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: And he really tried to hammer that home, but it

1210
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: fell a little flat when so many of the guys

1211
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: just dismissed that right, like, um uh so there there

1212
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: is this culture clash for sure. You know, the um

1213
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: and and the tour is is very wedded to the

1214
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: way it's always been done, and they are traditionalists, and

1215
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: they really you know, charity becomes this rallying cry, we're

1216
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: doing it for charity or destroying the communities that we support,

1217
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 1: and um again lives like, okay, fine, we'll give hundre

1218
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 1: million dollars a charity. They just said. They just coopted

1219
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: that whole argument, like, oh, it's about charity. Here's a

1220
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. You know, they established this foundation and

1221
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 1: they're starting to spread it. So again, I think the

1222
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: tour has kind of overplayed its hand. Like Live Golfs

1223
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 1: is gonna give us much of charity as a PGA

1224
01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: tour this year? Probably so true. Um yeah, they would

1225
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: put a hundred million dollars up into this foundation. So um.

1226
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: Now again it's transactional. They're trying to buy goodwill and

1227
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: political cover. But if you're if you're one of these

1228
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: communities and you're a direct beneficiary of of that money,

1229
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 1: you don't care why it's there. You're just happy to

1230
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 1: get it because you need it. And so um, you know,

1231
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: I think these you can you can really talk about

1232
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: the culture clash between you know this the disruptors and

1233
01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: the traditionalists. Um, but I think all these all these

1234
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: bridges can, all these divides can be bridged, but it

1235
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 1: might be hard for j Monahan to do it. You know,

1236
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,000
Speaker 1: he's he's gone all in and villainizing Greg Norman and

1237
01:02:32,040 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 1: the live guys like that. He staked his whole commissionership

1238
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 1: on that, that they're bad people and they're hurting the game.

1239
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 1: So then it gets hard to have this reapproachment. Now,

1240
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: if you're bringing a new commissioner and he can say,

1241
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: well that was then now we're gonna we're gonna look

1242
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: at a compromise and he's unencumbered by all those things

1243
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,560
Speaker 1: that the previous guy said, then I think you have

1244
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:55,640
Speaker 1: some traction there. So let's just route. Let's just finish

1245
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: this podcast off kind of where we started with Tiger Woods,

1246
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: who now is the de facto commissioner. And what I'm

1247
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 1: hearing is that this this meeting was not so much

1248
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 1: about trying to hold the line and make sure other

1249
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 1: guys don't go or or whether they stay like that's

1250
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: kind of people have already made their choices to a

1251
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 1: large degree. This is more about where do we go

1252
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: from here and what change can be made and what

1253
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: compromises could we have, what what can we how can

1254
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: we salvage this situation? I mean that that's been the

1255
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: tone of this gathering. I mean, and Jeff, you spoke

1256
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 1: eloquently about it. But um, you know, I think I

1257
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 1: think it's important to the point that you made is

1258
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:36,920
Speaker 1: that they're here, whether you like it or not, the

1259
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: Saudis are now big players in in this in this

1260
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: Gulf landscape. And I think Tiger seems to realize that.

1261
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if Jay Monahan does, but I think

1262
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: the fact that if Tigers coming in with more of

1263
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: a problem solving mindset, that's a big development. So it's

1264
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: gonna take a few days, a few days to debrief

1265
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: everyone on what was really said or wasn't said. But

1266
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm hearing, is that, Um, there's there's

1267
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 1: a little shift here. It's no longer about digging in

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Speaker 1: and us against them. It's more like, okay, that that

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Speaker 1: battle has been, that battles ended, and now how can

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Speaker 1: we how can we avoid this really costly war? So, um,

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Speaker 1: it's it's definitely it's just a unique moment this is

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Speaker 1: going to continue evolved. We'll keep talking about it, but

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Speaker 1: before we go together, any final thoughts on where we

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Speaker 1: are at this moment. Yeah, I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 1: it's got to if you view it as a from

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Speaker 1: the point of from point of ads point of view,

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Speaker 1: the tour is part of view as an opportunity to

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Speaker 1: sort of highlight how good your tournaments are, your tradition.

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Speaker 1: Let's make January to August or whatever we want to

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Speaker 1: call it, this is a legitimate, traditional proper golf. This

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Speaker 1: is stroke place season. If you're like, this is where

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Speaker 1: the world rankings have worked out. This is when all

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Speaker 1: the majors are played. If you want to know who

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Speaker 1: the best golf from the world is, it's who plays

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Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour between January and August. And then

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Speaker 1: let's have silly season. Like I don't know why everyone

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Speaker 1: is so adamantly against it, but why wouldn't you have

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01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: like little match play leagues and like exhibition stuff, And

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Speaker 1: like you said, the format's nuts, I mean, fifty four

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Speaker 1: holes if it's if it's not in legitimate like that season.

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Speaker 1: I know that might not be exactly what the live

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01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: side of things wants, but you've got to start somewhere.

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Speaker 1: You know you can get if you do have that

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Speaker 1: great PGA to a traditional sort of season, you can

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01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: get as creative as you want outside of that, and

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01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: you can actually maybe sort of it's almost experimental, and

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Speaker 1: what do people really want to see, Like at the

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Speaker 1: end of the season, who wouldn't want to see Cam

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Speaker 1: Smith team up with Marc Leishman and sort of some

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Speaker 1: sort of team four ball best ball match play tournament

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Speaker 1: or all sorts of different stuff. I think the PGA

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Speaker 1: to a strength is its tradition and it's sort of structure.

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Speaker 1: I think it's an opportunity to actually highlight that and

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Speaker 1: make it more important in golf. You know, That's the

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Speaker 1: direction I would be going if anybody asked me, I

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Speaker 1: would try to find a way to that sort of position,

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Speaker 1: you know, make that the serious part of golf. You

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Speaker 1: have to give up some of the schedule you just have.

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Speaker 1: I just don't see a way that they can. It's

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Speaker 1: just going to be constant battling against the life side

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Speaker 1: of things until you give up a date or two. Um.

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Speaker 1: That would be the way I would see it. Like

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Speaker 1: you said, it seems to be moving more that direction. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: this meeting is more like how do we co exist

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01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:30,800
Speaker 1: with these people as opposed to how do we make

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Speaker 1: them go away? And I would love to see everybody win,

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Speaker 1: Like I think that I think that's possible. I think

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Speaker 1: the tour can win, as I said, because they can

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Speaker 1: be the most legitimate game in town. Um. And I

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01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: think the players can win because there be a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of money to jump up for grabs. If they

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Speaker 1: have a great strike place season or a great career,

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Speaker 1: maybe they can jump into these really cool, crazy forty

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01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: eight man fields for piles and piles of money and

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01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 1: live have an opportunity in the Saudis, have an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to be part of the golf landscape. I think everybody

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01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:02,680
Speaker 1: can win if everybody wants to, you know. And I'd

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Speaker 1: love to say that happened, because it's it's madness, what's

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Speaker 1: going on at the moment, Michael, I can't just improve

1330
01:07:10,600 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: on that. It's a man who knows when to end

1331
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: a podcasts um, well, this is it's been a it's

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Speaker 1: just a fascinating time to be alive. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is I feel like we'll be doing this uh regularly.

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Speaker 1: But Jeff, thank you for your your insight, Michael, you

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Speaker 1: as well. Uh, this is Alan ship Nuck. We're ending

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Speaker 1: this Fire Drill podcast. There will certainly be more to

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Speaker 1: come thanks to listeners as always. Um, you need to

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Speaker 1: checking out. We appreciate their help and let us do

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Speaker 1: this and talk to you guys a fans. So that's

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Speaker 1: it for now and we will back in your ear soon.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. A bad big an played to win, made

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Speaker 1: a fortune, win my shot game inn I round the table,

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01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: never thought I could fall down. The winter time hit

1347
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:18,559
Speaker 1: me like a cannon the ball and now I can't

1348
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: shake this losing the stream. Every road I take is

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01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:28,400
Speaker 1: a dead end stream. I got thoughts in my head,

1350
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 1: can't get him out, trying not to think what I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking about. I got thought in my head, can't get

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Speaker 1: him out, and trying not to think what I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: about