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Speaker 1: I'm just happy I'm live on location. Bro.

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Speaker 2: I've been waiting to be live on location since the

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Speaker 2: show start. I've been watching everybody. Hey, listen, you know

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Speaker 2: we wanted, they got a plan, we want. The plan

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Speaker 2: was to wait until we could really get back in

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Speaker 2: person and put up with you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 2: you want you You one of the ones that we

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Speaker 2: got real. You know what I'm saying, deep root of

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Speaker 2: history with so those need to be damn COVID. You know,

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Speaker 2: we gotta wait a little bit long before we start

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Speaker 2: getting it cracky.

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Speaker 1: We go ahead and watching everybody.

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Speaker 2: I watched twe I'm watching, I'm watching Nick Bay, I'm

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Speaker 2: watching everybody. I said, Okay, my time coming. I'm just

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Speaker 2: gonna be patient' don't hear. But let me ask you this.

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Speaker 2: Have we represent our time framed the right way and

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Speaker 2: brought the ones that we do it? We always talk

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Speaker 2: about it. We always respect and love for the game always.

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Speaker 2: It's so real though, That's why I wanted to be

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Speaker 2: on it, Like it's so real. Like that's why I'm

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Speaker 2: a fan of the show. Like, forget me being on it.

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Speaker 2: I've been watching like every episode. I mean, you're curious,

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Speaker 2: you take in everything because something got something to do

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Speaker 2: about who, especially when it's real. I already knew you

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Speaker 2: already got me thinking, who's the first person to bust

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Speaker 2: my ass?

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Speaker 1: I got the whole format of.

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Speaker 3: Show since you said it, like, who's the first person

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Speaker 3: to bust your Hey, guy, I.

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Speaker 1: Ain't never told this story. It was the trail spree wee.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my first preseason game free and at.

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Speaker 2: The time, you guys know what the garden at the time,

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Speaker 2: both teams were at opens the hallways, but you can

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Speaker 2: see each other. And I'll never forget Free came out

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Speaker 2: when it's his group got together and he said, okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm reloaded the jay Z from the intro and I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 2: that's free Wheel right there.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So I was already dumb from that moment off when

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Speaker 2: I got in the game, garden was over. You just

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Speaker 2: doing it straight hard, right, Yeah?

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Speaker 1: It was over?

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Speaker 2: So wait so wait, so wait, I know you. I

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Speaker 2: know how you are with the history of this thing.

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Speaker 2: I know how we both feel about MJ. Was this

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Speaker 2: like John Starks and MJ in the hallway looking like

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Speaker 2: we're saying and come fly with me in all the

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Speaker 2: moves we saw about Themjay, it was just like ituse cute.

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Speaker 2: The first thing, I'm thinking, we're professionals, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean with your group? They group, but he screamed

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Speaker 2: it loud enough so everybody could hear. And you know,

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Speaker 2: at the time they were just we was all two

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Speaker 2: thousand draft class, so ninety nine they just come off

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Speaker 2: the finals, right. So the first thing he says is, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm reloaded.

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Speaker 4: I'm like.

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Speaker 2: When I got when I was guarding in the game,

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Speaker 2: It's like I was I didn't have a chance, and

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Speaker 2: you know, he signed you up and then he gone

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Speaker 2: that first step he's out and I think by me

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Speaker 2: an aisle, like all the way by myself. I already

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Speaker 2: don't play defense like that.

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Speaker 3: I really felt like I was on the high and

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Speaker 3: I was in Cleveland. I was running point. Paul side

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Speaker 3: to put me in point. Lebron, Lebron was on my

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Speaker 3: team with me, Lebron, Ricky Davis, Booze and z And

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Speaker 3: I'm running point. So you know as a point what

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Speaker 3: I'm doing the turn driven to the left, spin driven

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Speaker 3: I'm casually doing it and spree Will ripped me. And

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Speaker 3: after he ripped me, Man, he put that bitch on

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Speaker 3: his name. I'm talking about like old school Golden State,

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Speaker 3: just knowing. Today I was so pissed.

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Speaker 2: I got mad point playing the point. I want to

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Speaker 2: catch you to go around.

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Speaker 4: I was so pissed with Spreez.

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Speaker 2: Figure somebody else, yo yo yo, were coming to you

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Speaker 2: live on location. Me and d Miles still here in Orlando.

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Speaker 2: But today, man, we got something for you, real special man.

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Speaker 2: This is our two thousand draft class Nate Man.

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Speaker 4: He live on location Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: This man is at the I don't know if he

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Speaker 2: was in the ah Triom out there. Yeah, it's something

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Speaker 2: real lavish man. We got J Craws over the sixth

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Speaker 2: man himself. Six give me one of the best to

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Speaker 2: ever do it. Man, it's our dog, our friend, and

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Speaker 2: he everybody who know him. No, he'll still give you

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Speaker 2: the business right now. He's still fielding and accepting and

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Speaker 2: deciding what you're gonna do on a couple of NBA cars.

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Speaker 4: So he still got that work.

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Speaker 2: Young mall in the Hey hey, Now, all the intro

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Speaker 2: was cool, but now I know I made it.

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Speaker 1: I'm on the knucklehead, I'm straight now.

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Speaker 2: Brought to you by Din Style.

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Speaker 3: The first time I seen you was in Saint Louis

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Speaker 3: at the Coca Cola shootout. I got tickets to the

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Speaker 3: game and I sat on the floor, and you know,

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Speaker 3: they had all these people, and I forgot who y'all playing.

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Speaker 3: But y'all playing like number one team or something. I

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Speaker 3: think y'all might play Oakhill or someth y'all playing somebody big.

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Speaker 4: And when I seen you.

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Speaker 3: Play, I think you had like forty five or forty

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Speaker 3: and you all, he's played like that ever since I

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Speaker 3: seen you.

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Speaker 4: From day one. I just wanted to know.

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Speaker 3: It's already hard when you're playing organized ball and you

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Speaker 3: come off the street doing whatever you want to do.

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Speaker 3: But your game was always built on a street game

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Speaker 3: plus the organized ball, Like you never shot away from

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Speaker 3: not throwing it off the backboard, not going behind your back,

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Speaker 3: not doing it where some people and I ever consider

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Speaker 3: that as flash yeah, or you're doing too much or

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Speaker 3: something like that. But one thing I love about you

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Speaker 3: and your game. Man, It's just man, you never shot

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Speaker 3: away from that. You always been you and you stayed

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Speaker 3: that way from the day I seen you. Like, so,

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Speaker 3: how wout y'all want you to talk about the coach

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Speaker 3: coach shootout?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 3: I remember that game in Saint Louis and that was

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Speaker 3: one of the amazing games where I just followed you

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Speaker 3: since then.

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Speaker 2: So D, that was like our first tournam as a

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Speaker 2: team where we got a chance to lead a state

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Speaker 2: as a high school team. Now I'm the au stuff,

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Speaker 2: but like you know, you become one of those teams,

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Speaker 2: like you know, people talking about your own the country.

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Speaker 2: Now you get them big invites, And so for me,

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm gonna put on the show, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like like you said, I never

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Speaker 2: changed my style of play, but I also know the

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And so for me, I was like, I'm gonna put

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, we lost that game, But I didn't know there

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Speaker 2: was a young d Miles in the crowd.

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Speaker 1: But you knew that was a big crowd there.

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Speaker 2: You knew it was a Coca Cola tournament and they

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Speaker 2: put it on and everything, and I just wanted to

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Speaker 2: just just let people around the country on my name

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Speaker 2: because I wasn't really known like that, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. Like out here in Seattle on the West

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Speaker 2: coast and northwest, they knew me, but past that did

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Speaker 2: nobody really know me. So for me from my school,

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Speaker 2: a young Nate Robinson on that team, right, I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to just put on for the city at the time,

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Speaker 2: and I never.

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Speaker 1: Changed my game.

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Speaker 2: Bro, you know how we came up. Like it's different

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Speaker 2: when I say we because us three were in the

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Speaker 2: exact same draft, so it's a whole different thing. You

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Speaker 2: weren't like you was three years ahead of me and

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Speaker 2: Q was two years behind me, like we was all together.

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Speaker 2: You know what's crazy, I think you the first person

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Speaker 2: from my draft class that we didne had on you, Like.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's bro, because I.

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Speaker 4: Think you the first first person, like you know what I'm.

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Speaker 2: Saying that we really didn't had on y'all saying as

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Speaker 4: I remember the draft though.

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Speaker 2: Now hold up, I remember pre draft when y'all go

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Speaker 2: to Chicago camp. Y'all lives, bro, like all the way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, like I'm going to camp just trying to

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Speaker 2: Q and Miles, Like, hey, y'all had the big boy

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Speaker 2: chains everything.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, man like y'all.

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Speaker 2: To me to be honest, y'all to King and tomorrow,

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Speaker 2: like the wave of our draft, like y'all four like

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Speaker 2: pushed our class because everybody y'all put a light on this.

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget you when you was on the cover

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Speaker 2: of Sports Illustory, you and ticket you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like y'all too with Jordan's like y'all was the wave,

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Speaker 2: like y'all to understand how like how dope y'all are,

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Speaker 2: and how like I want to give y'all y'all rose

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Speaker 2: and florids too. Bro like y'all. I know y'all interviewing

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Speaker 2: y'all pushed it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, I remember the drafts man, and

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Speaker 3: we was all at the draft, and I remember, man,

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Speaker 3: you got the jewelry before I came back, So.

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Speaker 4: Its bigger than damn.

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Speaker 2: Got that check.

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Speaker 3: And man was we was booming at the box and

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Speaker 3: he was like damn, my agent told him, don't buy

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Speaker 3: no jewelry.

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Speaker 2: He was so good. You know, us were coming from

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Speaker 2: like some real street ship. So like even our style

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Speaker 2: of play was really from the neighborhood. Like it's some

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Speaker 2: good stuff that came and at the time, it was

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Speaker 2: and one it was all that man, I need to.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to continue his legacy.

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Speaker 2: Like literally this last night, Bro, I had thirty five

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Speaker 2: pictures of al Nars on my wall. So when you

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Speaker 2: told that story about going to old Summer Groove and

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Speaker 2: d Miles all messed up and you was hanging AI

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Speaker 2: like that was you know what I'm saying. I say,

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Speaker 2: Fro when I say the draft, I mean Zoe's summer

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Speaker 2: Bru was like probably like ten days, ten twelve days

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Speaker 2: after the draft, and we went down there a week

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Speaker 2: before and we with Zoe Bro, so like we stayed

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Speaker 2: in his crib for like five days. Bro, Like this

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Speaker 2: man got this fright machine with him on the cup.

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Speaker 2: We just hitting again, free everything. I can't believe. We

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Speaker 2: just getting free pop. We don't even wanna drink. We

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Speaker 2: just come out right, bro. And then it was like

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Speaker 2: we get to that and it was legit, like that

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Speaker 2: was like an All Star game named somebody Stephen Maulberry

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Speaker 2: twyne Walker coming off the dunk contest, a I uh

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Speaker 2: t Matt Patrick ewing, Gary Payton.

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Speaker 1: So it was like she was a who's it was?

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Speaker 2: It was a legit. Larry he was. It was a

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Speaker 2: legit all. And then the first night, you know, Larry

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Speaker 2: He was like the leader of our generation. He made

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Speaker 1: I wasn't even in that class.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at y'all, like, man, they the wave, bro

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Speaker 1: Look what y'all was doing. Like you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Like, man, y'all, y'all should be celebrated, bro, like for real,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember all those stories. I remember all that.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate the love now you you was.

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Speaker 3: dribble between their legs. Right Like you always played so

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Speaker 4: Who installed that in you? Who put that? Who instilled

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Speaker 2: I can do anything, like anything. Man. One time I walked,

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Speaker 2: more than that two points. Just like you know how

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Speaker 1: Now the fans that are sitting down is all up chairs.

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Speaker 3: It's like energy and them young guys need to hear that, man,

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Speaker 3: Marquelle Folks. I remember watching Martell Folks in college. He

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Speaker 4: I love Martell Folks game.

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Speaker 3: He was like I knew he supposed to go number

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Speaker 3: here of this league and there's all these voices in

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Speaker 2: And the one thing I learned, y'all is and y'all notice,

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Speaker 1: Look, I love anything else.

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Speaker 2: I love what like you said, what you said about Folks.

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Speaker 2: That's how when he got down here now he liked that.

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Speaker 3: She was like, yeah, I seen him. I tell him

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Speaker 3: I love you like two kiling. I know you're a

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Speaker 3: So I just want to know how you felt when

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Speaker 4: Add to that legacy of the Fab five?

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Speaker 2: How was that bro? When I was in eighth grade,

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Speaker 2: seeing the boy, the baggy shorts, the barkleys, the black socks,

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Speaker 1: Like that's not happening.

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Speaker 2: That's so when I went and I got recruited by Michigan,

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Speaker 1: It wasn't no thought, it was nothing.

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Speaker 2: I want to want to They said, you're getting They

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Speaker 2: The Fab five. I definitely can see you being okay.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, So that was one of my big homies

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Speaker 2: Right, how many games you played?

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Speaker 4: Still Sports Center playoffs. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Ways, something freaky up. Yeah, and it got crazy, bro

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Speaker 2: You can roll these names, you know what. He pushed

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Speaker 2: I never changed my game. I stayed true to myself

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Speaker 2: it will outlive me. It lasts longer because I did

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Speaker 2: But I understand this about that though, like you kind

436
00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,199
Speaker 2: of an anomaly though like it's not a lot of

437
00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,320
Speaker 2: people need to come in the game, Like forget about

438
00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,120
Speaker 2: what when you walked to the league. I'm like, from

439
00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,800
Speaker 2: day one, since you been hooping, you've been by boped

440
00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,560
Speaker 2: and one mix sape. I'll break you down, bop you off.

441
00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,200
Speaker 2: It's not a lot of dudes that could walk in

442
00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,119
Speaker 2: from day one and then play as long as you

443
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,639
Speaker 2: did and at the end still be the dude. Like

444
00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,480
Speaker 2: look at Vince Carter. He came in as the high

445
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 2: flyer right like he walks out he Hall of Fame,

446
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 2: he everything, and it's all respect to him. He didn't

447
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 2: have nowhere near the same game that he had from

448
00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,040
Speaker 2: day one. When you walked out the door with the

449
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,000
Speaker 2: same game you walked in, like like for real, No,

450
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,600
Speaker 2: it's not a lot of people that can say that,

451
00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,320
Speaker 2: Like I'm talking about the greatest as Kobe was, Kobe

452
00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:38,000
Speaker 2: can't say that he walked out the door. I mean,

453
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,360
Speaker 2: obviously he went out in a fashion that nobody ever

454
00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,639
Speaker 2: could even think of. But like as far as like

455
00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,080
Speaker 2: his game, he had developed the post game because he

456
00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:49,400
Speaker 2: still wasn't you walked out the same exact way. I'm

457
00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,840
Speaker 2: about to ha ha ha ha about the steps back

458
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,760
Speaker 2: and I'm about to rap it. I'm about to I

459
00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,680
Speaker 2: got a move created out of me on a break

460
00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:57,639
Speaker 2: when you behind the back and the I'm like, like,

461
00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,680
Speaker 2: you walked out the door with the same game, Like

462
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,160
Speaker 2: I don't even though it's a period that could say.

463
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 1: That like period, I didn't think about it like that.

464
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 2: You absolutely right, C Like when you say you stuck

465
00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,400
Speaker 2: to like who you were, Like, it's not a lot

466
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,360
Speaker 2: of people that can say, yeah, I did that through

467
00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,920
Speaker 2: because they had to change, not even because they didn't

468
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,280
Speaker 2: want to. Like me, I couldn't do nowhere near what

469
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,040
Speaker 2: I was the windmill duck she was doing back with

470
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 2: Wainville's catching live. But I can't Like year one through

471
00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,800
Speaker 2: four was totally different year ten through thirteen, Like you

472
00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. I couldn't do the same if

473
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 2: you asked me to, if I was given the opportunity to,

474
00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 2: I couldn't do the same stuff like you could. That's different. Yeah,

475
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 2: that's God, bro, Like, I honestly thank God that he

476
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 2: gave me the body type in the game, because if

477
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,680
Speaker 2: you think about it, and you guys know, specifically when

478
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,440
Speaker 2: we first came in the league in two thousand, the

479
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 2: worst shot you could take was off the dribble three.

480
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 1: They're like, man, you can get that shot with five

481
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 1: seconds left.

482
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,040
Speaker 2: You were supposed to get the ball to your dominant

483
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 2: wings scorer Paul Fears, Kobe Irison, t mat Or throw

484
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,920
Speaker 2: it in the shot, Tim Dunk and KG right, It's

485
00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 2: like that's how the game was.

486
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 1: So the worst you could take was off the dribble three.

487
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,879
Speaker 2: For me, I think why part of the reason I

488
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 2: stayed the same was because my game was already kind

489
00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: of ahead of his time as far as that, like

490
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,639
Speaker 2: being able to skial like okay, boom boo boom, get

491
00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 2: to your shot, boom boom boom, off the dribble three.

492
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: Like so the skills always translated.

493
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 2: And it's funny now because you see people the way

494
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: they're playing, right, you see a guy take eighteen threes

495
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 2: in the game. That's crazy and it's not a star player,

496
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: but that's where the game is at, right. So think

497
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 2: about when you three point champion and stuff you was doing, Bro,

498
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 2: you would have broke all kinds of records of.

499
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 1: Your planning that, you know what I mean, because it's

500
00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 1: okay to do it at that point.

501
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 2: It was consequences. You better make that three with twenty

502
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:43,919
Speaker 2: on the clock, or you come out the game. And

503
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 2: so with that I said all that to say this,

504
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,360
Speaker 2: I think my skills were kind of ahead because when

505
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 2: they finally started allowing people to do that, like, man,

506
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: I've been doing this my whole life, I even got

507
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,240
Speaker 2: a juzz bro.

508
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,119
Speaker 1: The fifty one point game I scored.

509
00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 2: It was off the bench, I remember, and it was

510
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,959
Speaker 2: It wasn't nothing special, it was just how I played,

511
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But that's where the game

512
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 2: is today. So I think part of it is me.

513
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 2: I think part I know a lot of this guy,

514
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,440
Speaker 2: and I think the other parts. Just for the game towsey.

515
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 3: Ball, you was the first to do the bounce behind

516
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 3: the back, pick the dribble up and go.

517
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 4: I just seen Danzelo Russell the other day.

518
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 3: How does it feel to see like the next generation

519
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 3: they watch you and emulating your moves. How you was

520
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 3: immulating people moves when you was coming up, Like.

521
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 2: It's not even real, dude, it's not even real to

522
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: do ance because that move bro, I made up when

523
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: I was sixteen. I may have been Doug Christy All

524
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:37,560
Speaker 2: Star Game. The program that's mine now used to be here,

525
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 2: and so I played I make the All Star Game.

526
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm playing against this.

527
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 2: Guy who had locked me up a couple weeks before

528
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,480
Speaker 2: it got physical with me, like I've grown man playing overseas.

529
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: Brian Parker's named Chile Brian Parker, and he locked me

530
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,880
Speaker 2: up and I make the All Star game on oppositely

531
00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: is I'm coming down.

532
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: It's just me and him, but I'm coming full speed.

533
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 2: I do the move and I actually get a little

534
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: more to it because it's a remix to it, and

535
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,719
Speaker 2: I was all saving the five minutes all start they

536
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:02,640
Speaker 2: make it, so now it's just it's in my head.

537
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: I'm a pass it to my son. So I do

538
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,439
Speaker 2: the move and I go over here and he goes

539
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: way over there. The crowd goes crazy. So I go

540
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: back and ask my mom, I like, no, what I

541
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: do because she was there, like I don't know that.

542
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 1: I kind of broke it down my Like I could

543
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: do that anytime.

544
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 2: But it's crazy to see players now like do things

545
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: like that because you don't know at the time that

546
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: that move is gonna outlive you. Like I was the

547
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,479
Speaker 2: only person on a video game that could do the

548
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: move allowed me to move like that.

549
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 1: Stuff's crazy, bro, Like you don't even think about that.

550
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 4: So I never seen it before until you did it. Yeah,

551
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 4: I seen it before.

552
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: Yeah that was god bro. So I'm gonna give you

553
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,240
Speaker 1: a gift with this one.

554
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: But I think all of us, like we all impacted culture,

555
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 2: and that's why twenty years later, you still got people

556
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,920
Speaker 2: doing this. That's why they're doing do behind the backs,

557
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: that's why you know what I mean. So we tapped

558
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: into the culture, and I think real recognize that, really

559
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 2: always recognized real. So I pay hamash all the young

560
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: is coming up and I'm thankful for it.

561
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 3: Who was that person? Who was them people that you

562
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 3: was looking at? It was like, man, I want to

563
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: be like that. I don't want to dribble like that.

564
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 3: I want to shoot like that, or I want to

565
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: dump like that.

566
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: I know, let me who am I?

567
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 2: Who am I going to say the number? You go ahead, Yeah, yeah,

568
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: He's right. It was I stole so bro. My favorite

569
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 2: player is ever Is Magic, Michael Isaiah, Kobe Iris and

570
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: gp T, Max Grant Hill, Penny Dog Ticket.

571
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 1: So I stole from all of them.

572
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 2: And Nick van Asen sneaking Laker games, so I saw

573
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: how he was handling the ball, even Timmy Shout Chicago,

574
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: tim Hardaway like when he was doing the utube. So

575
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: I stole from all these dudes, all of them, every

576
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:42,960
Speaker 2: single one.

577
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: I stole from, even work Price. I was still from

578
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,080
Speaker 1: how to split screens. I was broke.

579
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: I was going to sleep with my basketball, Like, so

580
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: I studied, you know, like I said, he's a game bro.

581
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: So I stole from everybody, and then I just made

582
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: up my own game, right, and so watching iverson left

583
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 2: and right, that's how I started making behind the back

584
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: because you know, at the time, he was left to

585
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: right and everybody left right. People start catching on that

586
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: he was left the right. People not you know, not

587
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 2: in the league, but on the street level, like he

588
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: left the rights coming you're trying to do the iris.

589
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, how am I gonna do

590
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 2: something different? Okay, let me start going behind my back?

591
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 2: And I'm like for me, that's even better because I

592
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: got long arms and the balls behind me, so they can't.

593
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: Get it right. So I'm like, okay, let me start.

594
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 2: Okay, let me okay, don't behind the back then, okay,

595
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: don't behind it back to a cross.

596
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: Okay, don't behind it back to across to another cross. Oh,

597
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: do behind it back to a.

598
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: Cross across has So I just start playing the game

599
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: and I start figuring out. I'm like, okay, so these

600
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: are gonna be your set moves. And you if you

601
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: was a boxing you be Floyd Mayweather because you just

602
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: I'll do something just to get somebody to react. And

603
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 2: now I'm just countering off what they do. They got

604
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: to give up something, you know what I mean, Like

605
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: they have to give up something. So I'm just reading

606
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: your body. I may do something, see how you play,

607
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: and then not do it again to the fourth quarter,

608
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 2: just to see how you're reacting to it. You understand

609
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: it the way that you think, and then what you're

610
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 2: explaining right now is not normal in more ways than one.

611
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 4: Right, that's the conboy.

612
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: First, just to be able to think like that, the

613
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 2: way you assessing it is crazy, serial killer type crazy.

614
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: And then the fact that you're able to execute what

615
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 2: you're saying and to do that many moves, and then

616
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: to be able to say, I know, he got to

617
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: give up something. I'm just about to wait. I'm gonna

618
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: keep doing this or that and until I until it's crazy.

619
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 2: You say it like that because it's so natural, Like

620
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: my whole pattern thinking is like that, So it's so

621
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: natural for me.

622
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: I don't look, this is a guy like you, like.

623
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: When we play out in New York, like he would

624
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 2: be the guy. He's come to me a time or

625
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 2: two in the layup line. Right, we chilling everything cool.

626
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: You just the lay up line, Bro, and mall would

627
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: be like cut man had a routine that he deal

628
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: with his rubber bands and he picked the bag. He

629
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 2: picked a rubber band from Anthony, going now to shut

630
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,879
Speaker 2: out and he got the little bag of rubber bands.

631
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: He go to our walk. He got a whole deal.

632
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: Did he do if my man missed a step or

633
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: don't do something?

634
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: It's so it's over.

635
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 2: It's like you hear me.

636
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: My wife say, I'm the same way right now, just

637
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: to this day. It's the same.

638
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,280
Speaker 2: I didn't and I didn't watched him like like like

639
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 2: prime is that Bro? The game that one of the

640
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: best games I've ever seen, been a part of anything

641
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: when this man lost his entire mind and Madison square

642
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 2: Guarden against them against the heat Bro and then and

643
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,919
Speaker 2: I haven't seen him do it a many times like

644
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: in the game right, like you know how it is,

645
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,400
Speaker 2: but you get the cooking and this that the third

646
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: like I might start talking or whatever. He for real,

647
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 2: it's crazy. Mag gets the cooking and when he like

648
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 2: you know, when he feel it, because he ain't gonna

649
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 2: say or do nothing, he gonna he gonna side out.

650
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: You're gonna shoot you a quick look. Look, I said,

651
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: I said, I said, ship. I say, I remember being

652
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: on the bench when it started and he had to

653
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: hit two three in a row. I say, year. Another

654
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: Malik was, I said, he hit a loved one. He's

655
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: starting to do that. Ship now, I said, he about

656
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: that man hit won and he came home. Yeah, that

657
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: man shot you, I said, Oh, I said, Oh, it's

658
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: happening like the most like consecutive Maine shots like contested.

659
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what. I'm gonna tell you why

660
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: now looking back, I'm gonna tell you why you knew

661
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: I was hot. There was one place So that game,

662
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: bro I missed my first four shots. I don't even

663
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 2: know if you remember this. I do.

664
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: Then I scored. I scored forty two straight points by.

665
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 2: The miss big. So it's it's sixteen straight times down

666
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 2: the court and I haven't missed a shot. So I'm

667
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 2: gonna try. And they started counting. They started putting it

668
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: up there like team he lived in, like every time

669
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: he made one. The first quarter to the end of

670
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: the third quart I didn't miss a shot. One of

671
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: the plays he was talking about, bro Q gets an

672
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: offensive rebound. I think somebody throws it to que Q

673
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: is wide open. He looked over and said, here he

674
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 2: threw it like a bottom like here, like he like

675
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 2: he knew, you know what I mean. And that was

676
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: the I've had fifty other times. That was the hottest

677
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: side of my life, Like I had fifty two and

678
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 2: I came out the game was seven minutes to go

679
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 2: on the hottest night, dude, that could have been sixty

680
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 2: five for real.

681
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: It was bro, like.

682
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 2: They were killing party. They si everybody, they switched everybody.

683
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 2: I can't remember everybody on that team, but they said,

684
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: I'm talking about d Way d Wright uh one, Like, man, listen,

685
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: everybody that part of that. It was like GP was

686
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: on that team. Pole like they just won.

687
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: A championship, championship.

688
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: Bro, that stuff don't happen, Bro, that stuff do not

689
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: happen without your teammates, without your coach. I'm telling you,

690
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,479
Speaker 2: like you, you're making the shots and you're gonna get

691
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: a lot of the acclaim. But bro, they give you

692
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: the ball. They said screens because everybody, everybody's a part

693
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 2: of that.

694
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 3: Everybody always I want to talk about the next generation

695
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 3: after you. I know it was guys that's from Seattle

696
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 3: that came for you. But I'm talking about them guys

697
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 3: that came after you. Them Martell Webster's, the Isaiah Thomas, them,

698
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: Brandon Roy's like them dog them naked many rib you

699
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like these guys that came after.

700
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 4: You and man and all of them was boys.

701
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 3: Like like, let's talk about just the nick generation, especially

702
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 3: be Roy, because I was in Portant when b Roy

703
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: got there and like this dude was that dude can't

704
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 3: I just I wanted him to play so long because

705
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: like when I seen him go against Kobe, he reminded

706
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: me when d Wade played Kobe, like he wasn't scared

707
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: of the competition.

708
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: He wanted to play and compete. And b Roy was,

709
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 4: Oh my god. I tell people about them all the time, But.

710
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 3: Them next generation, they all came after you. They all

711
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 3: screaming your name of the one that they seen. If

712
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 3: all they ain't get a chance to see the Doug

713
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: Christie's and you know everybody else.

714
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: So quick story about b Roy and tell you the

715
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 2: first time we played them over the Scout Report. I'm like,

716
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: he can go left, he can go right, he can post,

717
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: he can handle, he can pass, he can rebound, he

718
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 2: can do and de.

719
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: Lee and then was like, man like you talking like

720
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,240
Speaker 1: you Jordan.

721
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: I'm like you. He got no weakness, no, like he's serious.

722
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: But Nate Isaiah Martel, Spencer, b Terrence Williams, will Conroy

723
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: like all these dudes man.

724
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 3: Like will T, will shut T, Will did, John Murray,

725
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 3: Kevin Za.

726
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like it's it's crazy because for me it was

727
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: Doug Christian like he was the one that took me

728
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 2: and scooped me and took me on his wing. And

729
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: if he was at the gym at seven o'clock, he said,

730
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 2: you can come out, be out there, six thirty weight.

731
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be I don't want you. I don't want

732
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: your phone number. I don't want the money from you.

733
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Just showed me how to get show me what being

734
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: a pro. He was the first person I seen with

735
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: like a phone roll stick this back in ninety eight,

736
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 2: like he's going to anchor weight workouts.

737
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right.

738
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 2: So he did it for me and it paid off

739
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: like crazy, something like I'm gonna do it for the

740
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 2: next generation.

741
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to just pick one guy. I

742
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: wanted everybody.

743
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: So there's an eighth grader right now, who can text

744
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: Zackles being text me context b Royd can text these

745
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: guys right.

746
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: So I never left, always came home.

747
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: So it was even though I was playing in Chicago,

748
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: New York, wherever, it was like I was always Seattle. Right.

749
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: So Nate Robb is seeing, they're all like, we're going

750
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: to each other.

751
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 2: The summer still sharp and still so we're going at

752
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: each other and they if they make it the best

753
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: of me that day.

754
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: So imagine the confidence.

755
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm in the league doing it and they in college

756
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: or high school and they got the best of me.

757
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: You're like, man, I can do it then, And he

758
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: just had a whole generation, right, and we were just

759
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: all connected.

760
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: We were all connected, and we competed against each other.

761
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: And Seattle's had players long before, but once the au

762
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: Seen came on, it was like the rest of the

763
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: country founded about it. And now you see one from

764
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: your own turf, like right.

765
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 4: There, and they come all of they steady coming, They steady.

766
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 3: Building, steady building, They still they gonna steady.

767
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 2: Shoot out.

768
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 3: Shout out to Isaiah Thomas getting that job with the Pelicans, man,

769
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 3: because I've been waiting until to get his shot to show.

770
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 4: What we've been doing.

771
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 3: Because he used to kill your favorite points gods at

772
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 3: some point of time.

773
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: Murdering my man, my man five nine average almost thirty points.

774
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: You know, give him a business except tell me this though,

775
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: like what was it like for you? And it's crazy

776
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: because we were all there together, but at the draft,

777
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: let's I want to go back to our draft. Yeah,

778
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: how was that for you to walk across that stage

779
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: and shake David Stern hand and just have that moment

780
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: like we we were actually some of the few interviews

781
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: to get to go to the green room and be

782
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: there be a part of that. Like, how was that

783
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: for you?

784
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 4: Was?

785
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable?

786
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: You know, you hear all these things, all this person's

787
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: going here, this person going there. As kids, we're all

788
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: trying to map out the draft was going where.

789
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: And this and that. We all you know, some got

790
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: to right, some got it wrong.

791
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: But like to be able to cause just a year

792
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: and a half ago, I was in high school, you

793
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

794
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: And so to be able to when I put my

795
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: name in the draft.

796
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: People it's like, especially local papers, it was like, oh man,

797
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: imagine walking in the gym, everybody knows your name, your game,

798
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: and now you're about to be playing in instant Buller,

799
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: you know, over in China because they just think. I

800
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: didn't think I was gonna get drafted. So in a

801
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: year and a half, going from that to shaking, David

802
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: Stearns say.

803
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: It was like a movie. It really was like a movie, like.

804
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: Everything you I forgot that too, because you was like,

805
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 2: because you left early, you're one of the few people

806
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: that actually went to the Chicago combine and get it

807
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 2: out for about that. He went like he left from

808
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 2: Chicago camp Like no, no, he topped ten.

809
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: We walked up, We walked up in there.

810
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, that's Bro. I'm in camp and I'm looking.

811
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, that's Q and D Miles right there,

812
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 2: Like damn, I'm looking at all y'all, Like I'm truly

813
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: looking y'all. Two walked in camp one of the last days.

814
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: Bro.

815
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: I'll never forget Q had on I think a Jordan

816
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: now if it would have cut off off and I'm

817
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 2: walking like m they go qu a D Miles, Bro,

818
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: like for real, Like that was crazy to me. So

819
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,760
Speaker 2: I went from not being drafted. They're like, you're crazy.

820
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: Why are you putting your name in the draft to

821
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 2: being a top ten pick. I don't think I've ever said.

822
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: I came to skot kempt late. I wasn't even going

823
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 2: and my college coach called me like, man, get down

824
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 2: here now. He was like, get there and you can

825
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: turn this out. Come down here right now.

826
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right. So I missed the first day.

827
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: Then I played only played three games.

828
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: But at the time they said at Moodie Bible at

829
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,520
Speaker 2: the time they said I couldn't shoot. They was like, oh,

830
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 2: he's an okay shooter. And so I was prepping for

831
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 2: that the whole time. And at the time they had

832
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 2: to do ten three pointers, bro I make eight out

833
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: of nine.

834
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: In my last one, I bank it from the corner.

835
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't know how you you bank it from the corner.

836
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: It went nine ten. I said, oh, okay, well man,

837
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: it's just my day. So then we're going through the testing.

838
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: Growing is kind of hurt. And at the time, uh,

839
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,160
Speaker 2: the Seattle Sonics trainer was running the whole testing program

840
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: and he knows, like, you know, I wouldn't jump like y'all,

841
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: but I could dunk and jump, and so I wasn't

842
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 2: jumping high.

843
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 1: He was like, oh, Crawford's hurt. So they said, Crawford's hurt.

844
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: He's done.

845
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: So I played three games, Bro, and I went from

846
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: nothing the top ten like that.

847
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: I remember. It was like a mediorizing.

848
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 3: I remember, yeah, so how when you finally heard your

849
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 3: name though, when you heard your name and.

850
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: You heard before the name, y'all know, the cameras come around.

851
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 2: And so they said with the eighth pick, and the

852
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: cameras come around, like it said, and I saw it.

853
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, they made some many mistake.

854
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 2: I ain't work out for Cleveland, ain't talk to him nothing.

855
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 2: They called me, Bro, and I put my head on,

856
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 2: shook everybody's hands, said and did the slow walk up

857
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: to David Stern, rest in peace. And then I'm doing

858
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: a press conference talking about Cleveland and they said, hey,

859
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 2: you've been traded to Chicago. I said, but I always

860
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: loved Chicago, you know. And I don't know if you

861
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: all remember the day of the draft, and we know

862
00:36:58,360 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: you eat and everything.

863
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: I had it all bulls gear.

864
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: I had the bulls cut off, some bulls shorts, jewelry,

865
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 2: a black man dad, some jays on, all bulls gear.

866
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: So it was it was spitting that I went there

867
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: at night.

868
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: That's crazy, Like did you get there? You there with

869
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: the rookie of the year. You know what I'm saying.

870
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: You get there, Elton Brand Yeah, you know they're trying

871
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 3: to move some things around to get something proper.

872
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 4: How was that for your first year?

873
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: It was crazy because y'all I looked at y'all.

874
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I looked at y'all like

875
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: us on the West were the two youngest teams in

876
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 2: the league. All in us, right.

877
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: It was me at the time. It's me and uh

878
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: Elton and Ronald.

879
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 4: Test Test yeah.

880
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: Right right, and aj guy and I mean we was

881
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: you know jam Yeah, so he was. Elton was like

882
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 2: the guy everybody knew it like twenty ten put it

883
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: in the right. And so once we played through that

884
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: year and I'm still figuring out my way. I ain't

885
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: really got no real vets to show me the way, yeah,

886
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: you know. And then we trade Elton and we get

887
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 2: Eddie and Tyson Tightson next year and there was my boy,

888
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, Tyson in e C. And it was my boys,

889
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: and then we really was all tight like tights. You know,

890
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,479
Speaker 2: we're all around the same age. And everything. I didn't

891
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: play much my first year, so we all felt like

892
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: rookie together and it just took off right, And so

893
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: it was dope to go through that looking back, like

894
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: all them experiences, being young, being green, not really knowing,

895
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out, having good games, have a

896
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 2: bad games, just the whole journey and the whole process.

897
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 2: And so I loved my time in Chicago because I

898
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 2: felt like I was really interested in Chicago too, like

899
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: I was on some street like that's what I that's

900
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: what I want to talk about though, Like because we

901
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: remember you remember the game at I tan to say,

902
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: I know it was me and you was Paul on.

903
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: Our team me you Paul Mchrison and Court mcgetty and fifty.

904
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: So look, bro, look look this boy here. This is

905
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 2: the first time, like I really didn't say mall, like

906
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: all right, going to end one like Rookie Park street

907
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: Ball mix tape mo. But this man started drippling down

908
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: the court. Bike was bro under his legs, doing something

909
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 2: with his legs, going back, what's up the court? And

910
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 2: when he gets cross half quarter and the man act

911
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,919
Speaker 2: like he won't play with him, he about the Haha,

912
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm the wrong way he go. Like, Bro, when I

913
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: say like, like he said, he was really he was

914
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: really on the ground level. He was at Who's for us?

915
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: He was in there. He was playing that program. I

916
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: T he was he was.

917
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 4: He was in it. He was in it.

918
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: D if you could have been there, bro, like put

919
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: it this way. It's another thing. I don't think I

920
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: ever said the I t that Q was talking about

921
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: the mouse.

922
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 2: D Rose told me that that was the first time

923
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 2: he ever seen a pro in person.

924
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, he was a kid in the crowd there.

925
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: He's like yeah, bro, like he's like, I loved you

926
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: coming up like he was one of the first pros

927
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: I ever seen the person. I'm like, dang. So we

928
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: had a rock me Q fifty pul was putting on show.

929
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: We didn't lose crazy never. We played Twall Walker play everybody.

930
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: We put on shows. I remember remember hits from BT.

931
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 2: I remember that one game Street, that one game you

932
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: got all these dudes duncans, you gotta shoot threes and

933
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 2: just put in the crowd start going crazy. You had

934
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: the young Will Biden coming up right like, just all

935
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: them dudes. Man, it's just those like like I t

936
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: N who's like, I know it, who's you know? T

937
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 2: TG didn't allow cameras and stuff like that, But Bro,

938
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 2: the wars and the battles that was waged inside those

939
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: gyms and these walls could talk like boys been some

940
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: of the greatest hoop sessions ever. Bro the Fews. The

941
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: other day we played when Jay Z and Beyonce came

942
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: to watch BRO. They came to watch a pickup game

943
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: with Michael Jordan. I'm like, this is crazy, Like this

944
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 2: is crazy. Ray Allen's in their pennies in there, everybody's

945
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: in there, y'all in there, like it was crazy. But

946
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: they came to watch Michael Jordan at a pickup game, like, man,

947
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 2: this is unbelievable. And in those moments and y'all know,

948
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 2: like when all the coaches are gone, it's just man,

949
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: oh man. Probably for probably we both do we want

950
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 2: we gonna see who's who and what's what. And so

951
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: me playing with Jordan's it gave me the ultimate confidence.

952
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 2: I got the best player ever saying man, you got game.

953
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: You come on, You're gonna come hang with me. You

954
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 2: on my team? Man, I'm like, what that was it?

955
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: That changed my whole life, my whole career. Is he

956
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 2: gonna he gonna point you out and say no, he

957
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: on my team.

958
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it. I'm like, oh, I can't.

959
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: I don't care what nobody said to me, no coach,

960
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: no GM, no writer, no newspaper, no nothing. I got

961
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 2: the best player ever saying you got game. That's it.

962
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 2: True story A d man, tell him, tell him, that's

963
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: how we found out who Chris Paul was. They had

964
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: Chris Paul that camp. You know, it was all of

965
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 2: them guys that you know feltings and and and you know,

966
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: all of these guys in the town. They were all there,

967
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: and you know, like after the first it wasn't even

968
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: a good first day. We was like, man, we get

969
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: the pick of the team. You know, we we that MJ.

970
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 2: I was gonna put us on this team whatever. So

971
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 2: we MJ like we got you know, it's me MJ. Black.

972
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: And he was like they were like he need won

973
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: a high school kid. He like he chose Chris Paul. Well,

974
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 2: I don't know why. Whatever he chose Chris Paul. That

975
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: man played with us for the day. Each one of

976
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 2: us left the gym like I don't know who this was.

977
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 2: He cold, like I had never seen nobody that young,

978
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: control the floor, control of the game, and be able

979
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 2: to set people up like that. He was at this point,

980
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 2: Like he's sitting there. I sup after the game, Like,

981
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: and I played with CP five years bro, And he'll

982
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: tell you we go each other's room. I go to

983
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: his room most yet to speak. We're going room watching

984
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,280
Speaker 2: different games like he loved who like that? Like basketball

985
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: anytime anywhere? Know the history of it. All you see

986
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: is such and such.

987
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: Do that move?

988
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: Ah?

989
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: You see that team, how they came back at the

990
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: six minute market and did that play?

991
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: Oh? You see? You know what I mean?

992
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: So he's a basketball genius. Bro.

993
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 2: Every team he's went to shout CP. Every team he's went,

994
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: who's gotten better? The Phoenix date right now, I already

995
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 2: knew what it was gonna be. I didn't know it's

996
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 2: gonna be number two in the West like you gonna be.

997
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 4: They need to start saying his name for MVP.

998
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: Man.

999
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 4: Why they not mentioned it, but they need to start

1000
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 4: saying his name for MVP.

1001
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: He averaging like seventeen or nine.

1002
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: Even his numbers don't justify everything he's bringing to that

1003
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 2: team in that organization. How you feel about I feel

1004
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 2: like Devin's book and get disrespect like you somebody who

1005
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: played on the same cheam kid, And I feel like

1006
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 2: he's been an All Star for at least three years running,

1007
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: and he really kind of get you know, I feel

1008
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 2: I understand as a person who I guess you would

1009
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: say part of the media now, I get it, like

1010
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: who you're gonna take off? They always ask that question.

1011
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: I get it. But like in my book, it's been

1012
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: my argument for him, man Bradley Beal for a few

1013
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: years now, Like I've never seen a person average thirty

1014
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 2: and he's not an All Star, Like it just don't

1015
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: happen in what league? Like he averaged thirty, bro. Like

1016
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel you. I know, somebody's supposed to

1017
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: have a record, he's supposed to win, but like we

1018
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: gotta we gotta define these terms, bro, because I don't

1019
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: care like you and I both all of us do

1020
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: our high school and stuff like we didn't win and

1021
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 2: made All tournament or whatever, even if you're on winning

1022
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: it because I was putting up forty like you and

1023
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: this man, Like they've been averaging thirties, bro, Like legit

1024
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 2: thirty balls, Like how they not acknowledged is one of

1025
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: the best, and like I'm talking about as far as

1026
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: awards and all of that, stuff goes like it's crazy

1027
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: somebody just like averaging nineteen or twenty on the best

1028
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 2: team when he's not. He's not having the better unit.

1029
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 2: This guy averaging thirty in my opinion period we used

1030
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: to think All Star Game was the best players period, right.

1031
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: And the thing about it's crazy is his book is

1032
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: a winner. And I didn't know that un til I

1033
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 2: got there with him. I'm like, he's just one and

1034
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: ones to put up numbers, and nah, he cares. We

1035
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: played one on one every day, practicing each other every day,

1036
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 2: and he cared about winning like he's a historian too.

1037
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 2: His dad shouts, Pops Melvine, he played overseas my guy

1038
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 2: will Conroy and he just he's bred to win. But

1039
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 2: you can't happy win if you ain't got pieces around him.

1040
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: That's like, what are you showing him? So I knew

1041
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: when him and Cep got together what it was because

1042
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: Book is a dog. Don't be fooled by the curly hair,

1043
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 2: none of that. A dog like a dog. Dog.

1044
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: He wants it.

1045
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: He wants to be great, and he's chasing greatness. And

1046
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: now people are starting to notice. But I think his peers,

1047
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: like we know, his peers always knew.

1048
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 4: What year was that when you you felt like, man,

1049
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 4: I kind of I figured it out a little bit.

1050
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 3: I know you use journeyman and you've been to a

1051
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 3: couple team, couple of coaches, whatever, But where was that

1052
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 3: that one year you was like, I kind of find

1053
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 3: where I'm comfortable that I'm sinking my feet in to

1054
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: get comfort.

1055
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 2: It was the second half of my third year. So

1056
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: my first year I didn't play much. My second year

1057
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: tear my a c l a right hoops and when

1058
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: everybody got banned from hoops, all the Bulls players, yeah

1059
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: from who.

1060
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: Mind, they didn't want to be there anyway closer exactly.

1061
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah right, So so uh, the third year I'm coming,

1062
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, this the year, right, and now we

1063
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: draft Jay Williams.

1064
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: Shout out Jay.

1065
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 2: And at the time, now I'm three years in, Now

1066
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: I'm not a has been but I ain't really prove myself.

1067
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: I'm furious and he's fresh off of coming off like

1068
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 2: a Reggie Bush. Really he number two picks, so of

1069
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: course you don't get the first crack would have been

1070
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,919
Speaker 2: number one one for y'all. Yeah, exactly. And at the time,

1071
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 2: what really messed it up was our coach didn't want

1072
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 2: to play us together. He just figured he was kind

1073
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: of too small. So he's like, man, one's playing and

1074
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: one's not. One's gonna be started. Wasn't the back up.

1075
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 2: We guys just split minutes, whether it's thirty eighteen, twenty

1076
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,800
Speaker 2: four to twenty four, whatever it is. And so with that,

1077
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 2: we went out of it every day and I never

1078
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: found no solid footing. And then the second half of

1079
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 2: that year, there's like, you know, we don't play you

1080
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: guys together. It's one of the things. Season is over

1081
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 2: your y'all just play. And so like the last twenty games,

1082
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: I averaged nineteen and seven and I played with Jay.

1083
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: We played good together, and we was like, come in

1084
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: the next year. We don't play good right from the start,

1085
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 2: and then the motorcycle actually happened, right, And so that

1086
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 2: end of the third year, when Iver was nineteen and seven,

1087
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: the last twenty twenty five games, I was like, all right,

1088
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: I figured out the NBA game.

1089
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 4: I got it.

1090
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: I got it right. And that's when I was like, okay,

1091
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: next year, no matter what, you know, if things gonna

1092
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: take off.

1093
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: In my last year in Chicago, I led the team

1094
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: in points and assists and we didn't win much, but

1095
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: at that point I hit the ground running. So when

1096
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 2: I got to New York after that, I already knew

1097
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: what it was. So the end of the third year

1098
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 2: kind of solidified what I thought I knew. Tell me this,

1099
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 2: how was it from your perspective, because I know how

1100
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: it was for you know, for me when everybody, all

1101
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: of us around the league, when that motorcycle accident happened

1102
00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: for Jay because that I mean obviously that immediately impacted

1103
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 2: you and your situation and what would happen in the fall.

1104
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: You're like, what was that like? In real time? You

1105
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: going through getting a call or hearing however you heard?

1106
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,240
Speaker 2: How did you hear? Did it happen? It was crazy

1107
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: because myself, him and Jalen Rolls were just in the

1108
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: gym that day because you know, the bulls, they want

1109
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: you there at a certain time. It was with June first,

1110
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: you got to be there pretty much the whole way.

1111
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: So we was in the gym that day and so

1112
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 2: I remember Jalen roll said, hey, man, be careful on

1113
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: that bite.

1114
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: And you know, James like I got in this all good.

1115
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: I was like, all right.

1116
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: Later that day, we get the call and I thought

1117
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 2: it was fake, Like I'm like, nah, we just saw him,

1118
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 2: were just in the gym, and it ain't no way.

1119
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 2: And at that point you just worry about his health,

1120
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, man, he's gonna be

1121
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 2: all right. Like, and it got later on, I think

1122
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 2: a day or two later, I found like, man, he

1123
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 2: may not walk again.

1124
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: Like it was that bad, right, And that's what I'm like,

1125
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: damn Like, and.

1126
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 2: You know, like it went from a competitive thing when

1127
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: he first came and I first came to it was

1128
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: all the same high school players. Yeah, you know what

1129
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean. So it went from that to like, as

1130
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 2: a friend, our relationship really grew, especially start playing together.

1131
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: It wasn't competition, like I want you to be good,

1132
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: you want me to be good. We're gonna be good together, right,

1133
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: And so our friendship was really solid, and so when

1134
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: that happened, it hurt me.

1135
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, like, man, I felt bad for him.

1136
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: They like he may not walk again. The bulls could

1137
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: take his conch, all that stuff that was into it,

1138
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 2: like you know when it's fresh off. So I was

1139
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: just I felt really bad for him, and then I

1140
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: was like, man, like, now I'm just out here by

1141
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: myself again.

1142
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: Then we drafted kirk Hire and it went from there.

1143
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 2: But that's one of my one mystery I've always had,

1144
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: like if me and him could have continued to play

1145
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: together and grow together, to see where it would have went.

1146
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: Because he had gang.

1147
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely was nice. Man.

1148
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 3: I had a young little squad like Tyson Eddie back there,

1149
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 3: like y'all remind us, like just a young squad. There

1150
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 3: was a lot of contention for real, you fucked up

1151
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: a lot of people off the dribble. Which one is

1152
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 3: one of your favorite ones or one that stick out

1153
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: to you, one of the ones that they always send

1154
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: you every day on Instagram.

1155
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying I ain't even on Instagram, so I'd be

1156
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: having to get three reports on that I heard. I'd

1157
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,800
Speaker 2: be on there a little bit. But I said, I

1158
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: said ray Allen before because that was Jesus Showsworth.

1159
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: Like that was he got game. I felt like that

1160
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: was my life come up in high school. And that's one.

1161
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 2: But if I had to say one now, I would

1162
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 2: say probably the kirk Hirick one and that's probably because

1163
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: I literally made it up on the spot, like literally

1164
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: on the spot, like literally as I'm coming down, is

1165
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do. What you're gonna do like boom

1166
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,719
Speaker 2: Bower's head. And that's why you ain't seeing it again

1167
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: because I never practiced it or nothing. So I'm gonna

1168
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 2: go ahead to the Kirk Hirick one. That was tough,

1169
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: This Kerson great defender, and it was one of my

1170
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 2: first time maybe my first time back in Chicago after

1171
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 2: I left two to play.

1172
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go up to Kirk hi on this one.

1173
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: It's one.

1174
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,839
Speaker 3: It's one to be sticking out to me that that's

1175
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 3: real nice because he, like Paul the one with Wesley Matthews,

1176
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: you yanked back on her and then he paused, he

1177
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 3: looked at the ref and then he think you for

1178
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: the shoe. He jumped again and he still one more time.

1179
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: That that was a perfect CounterPunch because I knew I

1180
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 2: was about and I knew I'm like, oh, he's gonna

1181
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 2: come again.

1182
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: I felt it. I'm like it was like again, I

1183
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: know he is and Wessey. I think Wes is a

1184
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: hard playing dude, right, Yeah, Yeah, ain't gonna give up

1185
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: on no play. So I factor all that in in

1186
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: two seconds. He's a hard player, dude. I feel his body.

1187
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 2: I look at his body's on her forth and so

1188
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: he did it. It was like the perfect punch at

1189
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 2: the perfect time. This is the serial killer part of

1190
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: him coming out that's like this, but I hear you.

1191
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 2: I literally processed those four thoughts in two seconds, and

1192
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: he's coming Now, You've got to make the shot.

1193
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: And that was Yeah, that was that was that was.

1194
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: That was a tough thing because he started talking to

1195
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:23,959
Speaker 1: ref places I had.

1196
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: Men play in the middle of the player.

1197
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: You're you're a person that loved the combinations are dribbling.

1198
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: And what we witnessing from Kyrie right now with the

1199
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,760
Speaker 3: combinations that he putting up, the combinations that he putting

1200
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: on everybody. I know you pay attention to in details

1201
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: of that, but the year he having and how he

1202
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 3: putting these combinations up and coming off with it with

1203
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: a left float or off the one leg off the backboard,

1204
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 3: just tell us what you think about what he's doing

1205
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 3: and how he's taking the dribble game to a whole

1206
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 3: other level by people getting the opportunity to really see

1207
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 3: another person and with the driveling skills of his colt.

1208
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: He's an artist first and foremost. Like he's an artist,

1209
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: he's he's creating art right now.

1210
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: Like before, he's always had a canvas the paint, but

1211
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: he had more responsibility with that canvas, Like, yeah, you

1212
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: have a canvas, but you got this area to kind

1213
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 2: of do what you do. You gotta be a point guard.

1214
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: You gotta do this now. James Harden is the point guard. Kyle,

1215
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 2: just go paint your canvas. So not only you can

1216
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: see it in his and we worked out together a

1217
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 2: couple of summers ago. He came up here and worked

1218
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 2: out and you can see it in his thinking like

1219
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: he's he's challenging himself while he's doing stuff. Let me

1220
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: see if this will work. All this would be cool,

1221
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: all you're gonna do this? Like he's just an artist

1222
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: right now you're seeing his the most beautiful paint that

1223
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 2: you may ever see when it comes to skill and

1224
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: the stuff he's doing like it's just it's unbelievable. It's

1225
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: beautiful to watch. And we know he's must see TV,

1226
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 2: but he's on watch some artistic stuff. He's allowing all

1227
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: of us to let me like I got a chance

1228
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: to peak, to have like a little sneak peek into it, right,

1229
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 2: So you know I do uh the Magic games pre

1230
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: halftime post game broadcast, right. So I'm sitting there at

1231
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: one game. This was a couple of weeks back. They

1232
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: playing the Knicks, the team of Magic playing the Knicks.

1233
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: But they away. Now you obviously with all the COVID stuff,

1234
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: we don't travel like we normally would, and we were

1235
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 2: doing all this, so we say, we say we do

1236
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: it straight out of the amway. We a theam where

1237
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: we sitting nothing when we normally do our thing. And

1238
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: at this point they got us out on a terrace

1239
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 2: on the little terrace area. So we sitting at court

1240
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 2: down everything, but it's nobody out there. Were sitting there,

1241
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 2: were doing the show. We're doing the show. At one

1242
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 2: point I tell him, I hear ball bouncing right, turn around,

1243
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 2: it's Kyrie. They played Brooklyn the next night on the

1244
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 2: back to back, even though they off in New York.

1245
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: They come home and play Brooklyn in Orlando the next night.

1246
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 2: So I'm like, oh, okay, Kyrie about to come there

1247
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: and get some work, right, So you know I finished

1248
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 2: you in the pre game. I turn around I say

1249
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 2: what's up to it? I didn't matter if I didn't

1250
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: say what's up. I watched him. I'm watching him do

1251
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: his thing. Bruh crazy. I watched the man for a

1252
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: good They had the good five and half six minutes

1253
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 2: real time, maybe more, probably ten minutes some He ain't

1254
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 2: do nothing without a left hand. Everything was like I'm

1255
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 2: talking about. Nothing was the right hand shot, like like

1256
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: how everybody Sawn shoot like I saw the other day

1257
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 2: shoot like a crazy left hand banker. I watched him

1258
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: do all of these things for like ten minutes or so. No,

1259
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 2: no right hand nothing, it was all. It was like

1260
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 2: cause I remember seeing Steve Nash do something this stuff

1261
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: when I play with Nash. Now you know how now

1262
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: you get a little layout shot in the lane. He

1263
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 2: would just do stuff like that all the time. I

1264
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: part of his practice. He'd be when he get a shot,

1265
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: so he'll do some little handlesond just lay out with

1266
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 2: that little shot, do it a different ways. So it

1267
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: was like people might think that's like, you don't have

1268
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 2: a shoot like that again, but he did it like

1269
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 2: I would. I watched Kyrie spin around floater, a little schools,

1270
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,320
Speaker 2: a little bank shots like all type of different angles

1271
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 2: that you might think in the game, like, how do

1272
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: he praicing all type of stuff? Bro, I'm talking about hitting,

1273
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 2: spinning out the board. It's crazy, y'all. Was just left

1274
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: hand portion.

1275
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you.

1276
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 2: We when we played and we just always he can't

1277
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 2: here for like three weeks to a month, and we

1278
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: were always on opposite team. And I'm telling y'all, like

1279
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 2: he would do something and I'd be like, ooh that

1280
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 2: was that was video game ish, right. Then I would

1281
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 2: come down and do something. He looked like, oh, that

1282
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 2: was right. So it's like when you got too dope

1283
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: rappers in a cipher on the same song, right, they

1284
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: just going at it. They it's the game within the game.

1285
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 2: We said that, Okay, I'm gonna say this, and we

1286
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 2: were just going to think. There's no coaches now, so

1287
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 2: we got the same freedom everything, like we just going

1288
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 2: at it. If we ever taped that, it was some

1289
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: of the most like beautiful basketball to play and be

1290
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:32,919
Speaker 2: a part of. I had Bill Russell come watch mister

1291
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: Bill Russell. Zach Lavine was in those runs to John

1292
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 2: Say Murray. But we were Me and Kyle are always

1293
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 2: on opposite teams and just going at it like it

1294
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 2: was dope.

1295
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 3: That man, just absolutely sad and get that down that

1296
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 3: stuff that stick with you forever, like when you get

1297
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 3: that hoop like that.

1298
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: I won't talk about something that I know we talked

1299
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 2: ours about, but we ain't gonna go there long. I

1300
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: won't talk about you and I's New York Knicks era.

1301
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 2: I tell people all the time. Listen, I tell people

1302
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: all the time, shout out being lions, he gonna be

1303
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: focused in on this and this my man, one of

1304
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: the biggest Nicks fans ever. I tell them all the time.

1305
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: We could. It's so many different of us that we

1306
00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 2: could write whole books New York Times number one best

1307
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: sellers without us. We have a doubt we could have

1308
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 2: a movie just on anyone of We can just focus

1309
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: on that, yeah, and do a series. Ever has that

1310
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 2: ever been? I know for me, I can't. I can't

1311
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,680
Speaker 2: look at my career and say I have a crazier

1312
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 2: capsule than my time with the Knicks if you look

1313
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 2: start to finish your time with the Knicks, because that

1314
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 2: been the crazier. And I mean, I'm not I don't

1315
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: mean when I nicknames. When I say I don't mean

1316
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 2: that in a bad way. I mean it just in

1317
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: every I got so much love for New York and

1318
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 2: a time like my Beast Homeboys and everything. Like people

1319
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 2: think it's worse than it is because we was losing,

1320
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: but like you you can you can attest that we

1321
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 2: was all solid. We had a great time. Oh we

1322
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: had a great q in my twenty years in the NBA,

1323
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: in that five year span with New York.

1324
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: Bro, it's not even close like it was.

1325
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 4: Bro.

1326
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: Do you remember the time when we lost the game

1327
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: we should have won and Isaiah was walking home in

1328
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 2: the snow from the airport. Listen, hey, look this is

1329
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 2: what I remember. This is a funny, you know Nate,

1330
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: Nate always at the center of something happening in funny

1331
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: because you know, we all you know how it is like,

1332
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 2: so we definitely didn't at this point. We the bad

1333
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: news bad my boy. You know how they say a

1334
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 2: bad team gonna find the way. The little we found

1335
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: the way. Some game we wanted supposed to lose and

1336
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: you know Zeka won them. People, Man, he didn't lose.

1337
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't what like he ain't built that way, and

1338
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 2: like he would be like you know, I could see

1339
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 2: myself like him a lot of the time. I used

1340
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: to be we lose what are you people so high?

1341
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: He was one of the people like, better not be

1342
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: a pin drop on the bus playing none of that.

1343
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 2: When we do something like that, better I'd be one

1344
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 2: smile or crack a joke or laugh and none of that,

1345
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 2: no music, none of that. He out the plane. You know,

1346
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 2: everybody got the plane. Coach in the front, he got

1347
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: the plane. He just bolted. I ain't even people in first.

1348
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 2: We leave it up with mob like, hey, hey, did

1349
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 2: y'all uh I say, z walking like I pulled over

1350
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 2: gass and he want to rade. He just looked at me.

1351
00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 1: I just pulled up like hey, he was walking so slow, suit.

1352
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 2: Jacket, collar, pood. I remember, Oh my god. And then

1353
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,920
Speaker 2: I remember the next day he came to practice and

1354
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: it looked like he hadn't slept from the night before.

1355
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 2: Bro looked like he brushes hair backwards like he was

1356
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 2: just I said, man Zeke is going through It looked

1357
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: like he brushes his hair backwards on purpose, just to

1358
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: show y'all, to show all of us.

1359
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: He wasn't playing.

1360
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 2: And he was talking like this three on two to

1361
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 2: two on one, like I can't even look at y'all,

1362
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 2: y'all just I wouldn't have eleven because I loved Man. Yeah,

1363
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: but boy, he got his message across them two days.

1364
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: I couldn't straight up he ain't playing with no loser.

1365
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 2: We better when his next game.

1366
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask you about like your coaches, Like

1367
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 3: you know, you played twenty years and you've been on teams,

1368
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 3: and you're like, man, I didn't get a chance to

1369
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 3: make the playoffs. So I felt you when you was like, man,

1370
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 3: it took me this many years to finally get to

1371
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: the playoffs. But like your coaches, all the coaches over here,

1372
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 3: which was that one coach that you felt like he

1373
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 3: knew you? It was different, like he got how you

1374
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: was and what type of player and what you're trying

1375
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 3: to bring to this game?

1376
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 4: Which was coach?

1377
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 2: Was that I would say Mike Woodson, I would say

1378
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 2: Herb Williams. I would say obviously, Doc Rivers and Isaiah

1379
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: of course those four. What I found out about myself,

1380
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 2: it's going through all those coaches, was I enjoyed playing

1381
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: for people that actually played at this level before because

1382
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 2: they know you can go through missing five shots in

1383
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: the row, all right, you know, they know they're not

1384
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: gonna hold your weaknesses because we all got weaknesses. They're

1385
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 2: not gonna hold your weaknesses against you, they but they're

1386
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: gonna uplift your strengths, right, And so for me, Isaiah

1387
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 2: Mike Woodson, doc, they were like they really understood me.

1388
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 2: And I enjoyed playing for Larry Brown once I figured

1389
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: him out, you know what I mean, Like he's probably

1390
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: the best teacher that we had. Like you don't it

1391
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 2: don't feel like that at first, you'd be frustrated, like en,

1392
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: I'm doing it wrong, But by the end, he's like,

1393
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: damn you talking a lot. I tell people that all

1394
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: the time that, like, you know, people like what was that?

1395
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, yo, I love Coach Brown to death. And

1396
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: like you said, once, once you figure him out and

1397
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: he figured out, he was one of the realists, you

1398
01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. Like, but it was, it was

1399
01:00:47,400 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: it was definitely a little, a little learning curve we

1400
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 2: had to go through with him. But like for sure,

1401
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 2: sure LB was LB was a goat. And like you said,

1402
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: when you talk about Zeke bro I think I just

1403
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 2: said this the other day. You know, we were sitting

1404
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: back there talking to I was talking about Eddie, but

1405
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:03,439
Speaker 2: it's going the same thing for him, like Eddie and Marl.

1406
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: Bro Like, at that point, I hadn't really seen no

1407
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 2: coach put that type of like watch them instill confidence

1408
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 2: into individual player.

1409
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: There.

1410
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 2: You remember how I was skill Like you remember when

1411
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: we first that first year when Eddie became dominant, how

1412
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 2: that was Zeke's first thing when he took over as

1413
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: the head coach. He let it be known the ball

1414
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 2: goes into Vegas, it stays in Eddie and Jack Vegas.

1415
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 2: And this was before this was when like you remember

1416
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 2: Sitting had that one stretch when he went twenty twenty

1417
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 2: five some games with straight, getting twenty in whatever he

1418
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,959
Speaker 2: was doing, like Eddie was dominant. Bro, he had Eddie

1419
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 2: mine where he was out of there. Now. I got

1420
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 2: hurt when z Bo came just because of that dynamic

1421
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 2: and it was nothing between them. It was just the

1422
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 2: way they play it. It's just dynamic. But that that

1423
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: first season, Bro, I'm talking about you like, bro Be

1424
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: games like this. You remember what I'm about to say

1425
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 2: when I say this, We're watching film or something and

1426
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: we know about to play Kobe, right, and they showing

1427
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 2: this and like you know, up at the boy and

1428
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,200
Speaker 2: he said, yeah, you're to go. He said, look, he say,

1429
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: Kobe going crazy Like he's like, look, yeah, look you

1430
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: see fuck going crazy like he's going crazy. And you

1431
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 2: go to the next clip and he got mall on

1432
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: next he said, we got one too, he could go crazy.

1433
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: I said, look the whole room, So I said. Somebody

1434
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: was like, hold on, he's bearing mall to Kobe. I

1435
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,200
Speaker 2: was like, yes, he did, Like.

1436
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 1: That's exactly what he said.

1437
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,479
Speaker 2: I said, I say, boy, you know how to feel

1438
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 2: out that man who's saying that, Man, I'm going out.

1439
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 2: After that, it was Curry. He said that's Kobe. He

1440
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: said we got our old wut too. He said he

1441
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 2: ain't got the green like he got the floresca Wris.

1442
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: He's saying like what he's saying that in front of

1443
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 2: the whole You know, hey, that's fifteen years break you

1444
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 2: do right that I ain't never said that man. You know,

1445
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 2: you know kind of confidence they give a player like that,

1446
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: like many coach tell you that you out of here.

1447
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: But like that was Zeke.

1448
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: Because of him, He's saying that, like come on, man,

1449
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 1: that that that changed.

1450
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: That was like, man, yeah, if you could have been

1451
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: the room that day, some people like Man, what I'm

1452
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 2: telling you, he's still he's still firm. He got one too,

1453
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 2: circled it around with the little shout man.

1454
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 4: I feel like the sixth Man of the Year award

1455
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 4: should be praised.

1456
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 3: It should be something that's an outstanding the war like,

1457
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 3: because it means something to teams to have a six

1458
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 3: man that can do things. And I think before the

1459
01:03:50,560 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 3: early the earlier days, they won't big on like, who oh,

1460
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 3: yeah you want six man, that's that's you want six man.

1461
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: But you made six man popular. You made six man.

1462
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 3: I feel like you a six man with a person

1463
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,400
Speaker 3: like Man. That's a that's a big accomplishment to win

1464
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 3: this and to get on the team where you're contrivening

1465
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 3: off the bench on the winning team. And this is

1466
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,200
Speaker 3: a team sport. So how do you feel them to

1467
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 3: see people like lou Will and see all these other

1468
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 3: guys that's really excited and want to win that sixth

1469
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 3: Man of the Year ward, Yeah, and want to get it.

1470
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 3: Like I say, I can't remember it being so popular,

1471
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 3: and to you start racking them all up.

1472
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it. To be honest with you, dems like I

1473
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,880
Speaker 2: never never come off the bench consistently worked like off

1474
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: the six man, but I got to a point where

1475
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: I was tired of losing. And then from there I'm like,

1476
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: now do whatever it takes. And so I had to

1477
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 2: trick myself mentally, like, okay, pick up in the summer,

1478
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 2: I ain't gonna be on the first game. I'm gonna

1479
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 2: come on the next game, you know what I mean.

1480
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 2: Then in the game start, I'm like, Okay, you know what,

1481
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 2: you ain't a scrub. Now you superman. You come and

1482
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 2: say that, let them do that thing, You'll come say

1483
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 2: to that. And so for that to kind of catapult

1484
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:59,400
Speaker 2: to what it is now, it's unbelievable because in our community,

1485
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,440
Speaker 2: at least, like I seen the Jason Terry's, I seen

1486
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 2: the Jannobley's. I seen Ricky Pierce Dell shred, Mike al Wave,

1487
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 2: I saw all those guys. I didn't get the feeling

1488
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: that Bobby Jack shot Bobby Jack, even Ben Gordon.

1489
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: But I didn't get the feeling that our culture accepted kids.

1490
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 4: Right.

1491
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: I see kids all the time bro in camps and tournaments,

1492
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: and they like, man, I want to be a six.

1493
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 2: Man because you Tyler Johnson, the best player in the

1494
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: state at the time, said man, I was the best

1495
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 2: player of the state, and I wanted to talk the bench,

1496
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: but you did, you know what I'm saying, Like, so

1497
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 2: for it to connect to our culture like that, I

1498
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: never seen them like that coming my way when I

1499
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:34,600
Speaker 2: decided I was going to be a six man. So

1500
01:05:34,680 --> 01:05:37,400
Speaker 2: it's an honor because, like you said, it's an important

1501
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: it's a team of sport. But to make it cool,

1502
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 2: we're like, no, I'm the sixth man. You know, mall

1503
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 2: did I do it too? Like that's that's pretty dope.

1504
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that definitely is I always wanted, Like I said,

1505
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 3: I was, I was happy as you. I hope they

1506
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 3: put your name on the award because.

1507
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 2: To see a little will doing his thing right dark

1508
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:57,880
Speaker 2: Jordan Clarkson, who I hope wins this year.

1509
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, like it just gonna keep.

1510
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 4: Just saying he got just comfortable in that role, Like, yeah,

1511
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 4: you can go to it.

1512
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: It's a team out there that you can probably start

1513
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 3: on it or be a start off, right, But what's

1514
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 3: wrong with just sacrificing for team and coming off the

1515
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 3: bench and being en force and being on a good

1516
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 3: team and trying to win a nice ship and you know.

1517
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 2: That us right, Like for me, to pass the baton

1518
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 2: to loop the loop past the Jordan Clarkson, you know

1519
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:24,760
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, that's what it's supposed to be

1520
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: when you run a race and you're a team sport.

1521
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: I ran my partner baton take.

1522
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:31,240
Speaker 2: That's what it's about.

1523
01:06:32,280 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 4: I want to talk about Rucker Park.

1524
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 3: You won the world wide battles like That's one of

1525
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,480
Speaker 3: the things I loved about Kevin Durant, like you when

1526
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 3: he went on that world tour of all them parks,

1527
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 3: like when it was on strike out like that, that's

1528
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 3: the culture. That's what real hoop about it. I remember you,

1529
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 3: you know, going play with the Shine Cards all. You

1530
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, how was that for you

1531
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 3: to experience that rocker port with the crowds and stuff?

1532
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:00,360
Speaker 1: Let me tell you how to backstoor to that?

1533
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 2: So I get it. I don't ever answer. I don't

1534
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: even talk on the phone much, but I don't ever

1535
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 2: answer unavailable calls, right, and so I get it unavailable.

1536
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 2: I don't know why they picked this up. It's Jay

1537
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:15,720
Speaker 2: Z on the phone. He like, man, you gotta come

1538
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 2: to Ruccord play. And at the time I'm still nervous.

1539
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 2: It's like record like but it's Jay. I'm like, I

1540
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 2: can tell nose. I'm like all right.

1541
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: He's like, but we can't lose. We cannot lose. I'm like,

1542
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: all right, all right, I'm coming.

1543
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 2: I said, can I bring my big fellow with me?

1544
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 2: He said, here and bring them. So I called Eddie Curry.

1545
01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm like, he see you gotta come the rutger bro

1546
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 2: He's like all right, yeah. I'm like, man, we will

1547
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 2: be out there every week and don't fly us out everything.

1548
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 2: They don't put something, it's gonna be good. He's like,

1549
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 2: all right, So I go out there. I'm nervous. Recipes franchise.

1550
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,840
Speaker 2: You guys heard the song my homie fit. My homie

1551
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 2: Strict told me, dude, finish your breakfast. Strict's on the

1552
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 2: bus on the way over there. We're going to rutgerd.

1553
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: He's trying to Yeah, it's gonna be you playing the NBA.

1554
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you, if you get out here, it's

1555
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,680
Speaker 2: gonna be something you're gonna So the first game, I

1556
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 2: do my thing and I throw off the backboard, ain't

1557
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 2: go dunk, and I threw off the rock after it,

1558
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh you one of us and broke d.

1559
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: Miles and q I. When I tell you, it was

1560
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: so addicting.

1561
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 2: I was always supposed to go play once, and we

1562
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 2: start going out there every single whole summer.

1563
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: The whole summer. I'm like, oh, it was a rush.

1564
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:18,720
Speaker 1: It was a hot because it's like the essence of

1565
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: the game.

1566
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:21,760
Speaker 2: You know, I'm out there the first I'm like, man

1567
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:23,800
Speaker 2: with my nickname, come, I want the nickname a time

1568
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 2: the nickname was. Then I'm like, I started hit making

1569
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,719
Speaker 2: busts and like all our true essence that like, okay,

1570
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 2: I do something else, true essence.

1571
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 1: I'm like a true essence. Okay.

1572
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,360
Speaker 2: It fit me because as much as I love the game,

1573
01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 2: and that's like the true essence of the sport, the

1574
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 2: black top, you know what I mean.

1575
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: Like think about it.

1576
01:08:41,400 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 2: Our first trainers, us was an old dude on the court,

1577
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 2: like nah, I mean you gotta cut, you gotta play,

1578
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 2: you gotta you know what I mean. Like's how we

1579
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 2: learned to play basketball. We didn't have trainers and access

1580
01:08:50,360 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: to it, and so for them to nickname me true essence,

1581
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:55,439
Speaker 2: it just fit. And there was nothing like playing the Rutger.

1582
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 2: There was some days I was more nervous playing that

1583
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 2: the NBA game real when I played with murdering, shout out,

1584
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 2: shout out Christy. You know what I'm saying. They got it.

1585
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 2: So when I was supposed to play the actual Rutger,

1586
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 2: it got rained and we went to the gaucho. Okay

1587
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,640
Speaker 2: you went side. Yeah, we played inside, so you know,

1588
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,680
Speaker 2: you know me, my game wasn't like that. By bye

1589
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 2: bye by. I'm gonna go get forty though, I'm gonna

1590
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,479
Speaker 2: get this for. I'm gonna get this for. I'm gonna

1591
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 2: gonna get twenty rebounds. Tip ins put back John's Yeah,

1592
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 2: I got we won. I got my buckets, and we

1593
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 2: do that we're supposed to do. Now, I ain't no

1594
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 2: nickname and all that show pack because that wasn't my game.

1595
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 2: But you believe.

1596
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,320
Speaker 1: But I didn't get the nickname the first time. I

1597
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: had to keep going back to get to.

1598
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 2: Win one. Yeah, it was.

1599
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:40,040
Speaker 1: It was crazy though I didn't get chance.

1600
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,560
Speaker 2: Every time I went, it was never rained, and it

1601
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 2: was it was like a routine, right, So it was

1602
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 2: like we would come in, we had meet at the studio.

1603
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 1: It was Baseline Studio at the time.

1604
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 2: We all got und Sdr Carter bus Boom go to

1605
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 2: the game shower bo boom meet up at forty forty outs.

1606
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: It was always the same routine, like every single time.

1607
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 2: So the game with a blackout, the one we couldn't play.

1608
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 2: Jay had stacked with him. You see it. Take it

1609
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: was me e C Lebron, all his boys, Sebastian. This

1610
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:09,400
Speaker 2: is the game Jay and Fat Joe about the bet.

1611
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 2: Jay was excited about it, he said, And the game

1612
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 2: is at like six o'clock. He was like, Man, I

1613
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:15,880
Speaker 2: rolled past the ruffer at two o'clock. It was already

1614
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 2: ten thousand people out there, like this was a game.

1615
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: It would be like the Nets and Lakers, like everybody

1616
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 2: knew them.

1617
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 3: The blackout opposed to flew out there. Lebron called me

1618
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 3: the fly out there and I couldn't fla. They blacked out,

1619
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:27,639
Speaker 3: They blacked out.

1620
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,439
Speaker 1: And so this is New York City, right, we ain't

1621
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: thinking of blackout.

1622
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: May be a blackout in the whole city for thirty

1623
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,880
Speaker 2: seconds for like hours, right, And so I remember Jay

1624
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:37,679
Speaker 2: had a block of money.

1625
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: We all mad at forty forty. We know what we

1626
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: was gonna do. And I remember he left the money somewhere.

1627
01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: He left it, and they had had somebody go back

1628
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:44,920
Speaker 2: and get it because he was going on vacation the

1629
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:45,960
Speaker 2: next day, him and Beyonce.

1630
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: Literally the next day he was like, win or lose.

1631
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 1: I'm leaving the next day.

1632
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 2: And so when the blackout happened, they tried to reschedule it,

1633
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 2: but he was gone, like he was out, you know,

1634
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 2: so it couldn't happen, and then it just lost the

1635
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 2: energy started let's go on side. Yeah, never happened. It

1636
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't meant it happens. That would have been the

1637
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: craziest outdoor game ever.

1638
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 4: You had a lot of teammates.

1639
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 3: If you had if you could have picked four teammates

1640
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 3: that you played with to go to war with to

1641
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 3: BeO five, who would the mother four players be.

1642
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 2: I'm going Q. I'm going with Stack, Jack, I'm going

1643
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 2: with Matt Barnes. Oh man, you got me going all

1644
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 2: the way to archives. I'm going back to right now.

1645
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: My mind's Chicago and New York. It's my position just

1646
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,680
Speaker 2: to go with who you go? Make it five? Nate, c,

1647
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 2: p Q, Matt, and Stack. I'm coaching the five. Oh,

1648
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:45,639
Speaker 2: I gotta have Oak. I'm tripping. I gotta have oh.

1649
01:11:45,680 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's general right there. Yeah, I gotta have Hey,

1650
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,040
Speaker 2: tell me this. How was it when you you know,

1651
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 2: you went through that little grief stretch and Golden State

1652
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 2: that was brief. You know, you dropped the fifty burger

1653
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 2: while you that was still drink brief. How was it

1654
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 2: when you got to a Atlanta Because I felt like

1655
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 2: that was a team where it was like you kind

1656
01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 2: of found a home for a few years. And then

1657
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:07,560
Speaker 2: one I can't remember exactly what year, but I know

1658
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 2: y'all put me in the Magic Out the one year.

1659
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 2: I was the second year. Second year.

1660
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,800
Speaker 1: Okay, it was dope because i'ma be honest with you.

1661
01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,120
Speaker 2: That was the first time, like I had been around

1662
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 2: that many people that looked like us, like having jobs

1663
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 2: and stuff that they were doing. I'm like, man, this

1664
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:26,360
Speaker 2: is crazy, like being in the South like this, but

1665
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 2: the hotwns like that, and so that was dope. And

1666
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 2: then that was the first time I'm coming off the

1667
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 2: bench right, and now's the first winning team I'm one.

1668
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:39,240
Speaker 2: So now I'm starting to see like, Okay, you can

1669
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: start your role and still get love, like still get

1670
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 2: Gucci made to miss you in the song still meet

1671
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: with the in the City, like man, what you want

1672
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 2: to do?

1673
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 1: It was high as the city and everybody.

1674
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, because you got to think like Joe

1675
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 2: Johnson cold obviously baby cold, right, Josh was cold, but

1676
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 2: he was one of the dunk tip al Horfite was

1677
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 2: just solid.

1678
01:12:58,720 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: Marvin, same thing.

1679
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 2: It was good. It was just solid. So I brought

1680
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:04,679
Speaker 2: a little different flavor to it with the handle stuff,

1681
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 2: you know what I mean on that side. So it

1682
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: was a nice element to add to what they already had.

1683
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:11,960
Speaker 2: They was already playoff team. It was already nice, but

1684
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 2: I brought a little flavor to it. And the fans

1685
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 2: really took to that, you know, the city took to that.

1686
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 2: And so to be there and be on a winning

1687
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 2: team and now be noticed nationally because you know it

1688
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:25,000
Speaker 2: is when you win, you could do less but get

1689
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 2: noticed more, right because you're always on TV. And so

1690
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 2: it was dope. And I had a lot of big

1691
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 2: moments game win and shots and the playoffs and all

1692
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,160
Speaker 2: that stuff on TV.

1693
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:34,280
Speaker 1: And yeah, so it was dope. It was dope to

1694
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:35,799
Speaker 1: be like in that culture.

1695
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 3: I want to ask you when was the first time

1696
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 3: you met MJ, and and tell us about when MJ

1697
01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 3: was coming to Chicago working now and stuff and he

1698
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:47,680
Speaker 3: was trying to come back for the Wizards and you

1699
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 3: was going to.

1700
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,840
Speaker 2: You know so, So in the draft process, my dad,

1701
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 2: my dad played at Orgon. He played with Kevin loves

1702
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 2: that and he was like, man, MJ likes your game.

1703
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: Like man, yeah right, we have no social media. You

1704
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 2: don't know, Michael Jeordan what you need like my gay right,

1705
01:14:07,920 --> 01:14:10,759
Speaker 2: So we we going through that fast forward. I get drafted,

1706
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 2: I go to the Bulls and TG who he always

1707
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 2: training with that I know. He hit me one morning,

1708
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 2: like six in the morning. He's like, yo, MJ said,

1709
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 2: you can meet him. I'm like what, man, I get

1710
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 2: down downtown by six forty five. I don't talk about

1711
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 2: I get down there quick, right. So I get up there,

1712
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: I go to Boots. It's myself, Tim and the MJ.

1713
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 2: It's just us three in the weight room. I'll never

1714
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: forget it. MJ's doing like defensive slides. Why he had

1715
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 2: to like the booty uh them footy yard and he's

1716
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 2: going sideboard slide, doing the.

1717
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: Slide board and I'm trying not to talk too much.

1718
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: I'm in awe. This is like my end all be all,

1719
01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 2: like we'll never see another Michael Jeorde. We can get

1720
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 2: into that later. But so this like, my my everything.

1721
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,760
Speaker 2: I'm looking at him. He looked like you gott to

1722
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 2: blow around first off, So I'm like, man, this ain't

1723
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 2: even real.

1724
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 1: So I'm damn.

1725
01:15:01,439 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 2: So I'm just sitting there and I'm trying not to

1726
01:15:02,720 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 2: talk too much. He's working out, so I'm just following

1727
01:15:05,320 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 2: suit as he talks, and I'll talk back, but you know,

1728
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,800
Speaker 2: he's in his workout and so uh and so he

1729
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 2: was like yeah, he said, you know, this is Jordan talking.

1730
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,439
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, this summer, you know, I'm be playing more.

1731
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 2: You know, I would like to, you know, have you

1732
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 2: come down to work out and stuff like yeah, so boom,

1733
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 2: I'll leave there like seven forty five. We play that day.

1734
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, we had like a ten am shoot around.

1735
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 2: I call everybody back home on the way, but you remember,

1736
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 2: in Seattle, it's only five, so ain't nobody up. So

1737
01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 2: I go back and tell aj God lines just MJ

1738
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 2: and they like what boom. Fast forward to that summer.

1739
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 2: Now he's coming back. I'm at hoops every day. We hoop.

1740
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:45,679
Speaker 2: We getting it in. We playing At first, we weren't

1741
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 2: playing on the same team, and we started playing saying

1742
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 2: we never lost bro ever. And I don't mean like

1743
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,120
Speaker 2: we won five one day and somebody else won four

1744
01:15:53,160 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 2: and somebody's one three. Like we didn't lose a single game,

1745
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 2: and it just showed his greatness. I remember one time

1746
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: I had the ball and I threw a full court

1747
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: and I was like, damn, I threw that too far.

1748
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: This man jumped up. He's forty years old. He jumped

1749
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 2: up and grabbed it like a baseball. Bit never touched

1750
01:16:07,760 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 2: with his left hand. To me, wonder what duck? I said,

1751
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: what like, man, I couldn't do that at twenty Like

1752
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 2: what are you doing? There was che cold. So with

1753
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,439
Speaker 2: that I started going to his house, you know what

1754
01:16:21,439 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 2: I mean, Like we just became tight. Like when I

1755
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 2: tore my cl He got me the doctor. He told

1756
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 2: me about the doctor to go to in Alabama, and

1757
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,879
Speaker 2: he knew that person from when he's down there playing baseball.

1758
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 2: So I called him the night before my servier y'ar.

1759
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 2: I was nervous, and he just took care of me

1760
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 2: and took a liking to me. And then when he

1761
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 2: did the Jordan commercial thirty nine, verse twenty three, he

1762
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 2: picked me to be play the younger him. He had

1763
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 2: the same kind of body type, you know what I mean?

1764
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 2: Just I was like, man, this is a dream, bro,

1765
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 2: It's a dream. It still don't feel real to me.

1766
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 2: All to be honest with you like that, like we

1767
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: was with Michael Jordan Michael Jeffrey Jordan, February seventeen, Yeah,

1768
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 2: like we just looking. Let me let me ask you

1769
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 2: all that, like, how's it feel to see you know

1770
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,440
Speaker 2: where it's come from? To know that, y'all? Derek Anderson

1771
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 2: Bibby like y'all was on the beginning front line of that,

1772
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,599
Speaker 2: Like how's that feel to see the growth? And I'm

1773
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 2: sure you could have predicted it because it was Jordan,

1774
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 2: But how do you feel predicted something that you kind

1775
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 2: of helped start? I couldn't have predicted it. I mean,

1776
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you know this is Zimsa. He ain't

1777
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 2: gonna lose, you know what I'm saying, Like you don't

1778
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:27,639
Speaker 2: see that, you know what I'm saying? Insightful. It's like, man,

1779
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 2: just to see how he's kept it going and it's

1780
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 2: gotten bigger and bigger. And then you know, to have

1781
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 2: guys like Russell Westbrook play you know, CP mellow to

1782
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,679
Speaker 2: to now when you got the Zions and the Tatums

1783
01:17:42,720 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 2: and Luca like like, man, it's crazy. It's like, yeah,

1784
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:47,479
Speaker 2: it's big.

1785
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 3: Just to be a part of his journey, Like we're

1786
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:53,320
Speaker 3: a part of the Goats journey, like people know us

1787
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 3: to be. Like, Man, I rememb when y'all hoop y'all

1788
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 3: used to wear the mics and and stuff for a phone.

1789
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 3: It's like just being a part of his story, their journey,

1790
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 3: their whole crew. And seeing these young guys now, you know,

1791
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,000
Speaker 3: like Tatum, like Man I used to see he called

1792
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 3: me black D.

1793
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 4: I used to see Black D with Jay's like when

1794
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:13,560
Speaker 4: he was a young boy, you know.

1795
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 3: So to see these next generations, man, just seeing it

1796
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 3: and still be affiliated with it, Yeah, you affiliate with.

1797
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,800
Speaker 1: That's like with me and s dot Car Like I'll

1798
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: be forever linked with that.

1799
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 4: Yeah you know what I mean.

1800
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 2: Like, no matter what I remember with the NIG I

1801
01:18:29,240 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 2: used to know this man all the time. This man

1802
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 2: had literally any and every type of color you can

1803
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: think of.

1804
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 4: When I went to Reebok, I had the mess dots

1805
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:39,639
Speaker 4: that's on. I used to rock.

1806
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 2: Heyles, if you came my apartment in New York, I

1807
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 2: promise when you walked in, it looked like a foot

1808
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 2: locker I had.

1809
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 1: That would never coming out.

1810
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 4: I still got.

1811
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like that, like just.

1812
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:01,240
Speaker 1: Look like a foot locker once may not wear it all,

1813
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:03,439
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, that just was there.

1814
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 2: Tell me this though, bro, tell me, how was it

1815
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 2: when you got to the Clippers and you out there

1816
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: with that group of dudes and like, not only that,

1817
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,639
Speaker 2: like you were in La La, a beautiful, great city

1818
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 2: to be in, but then you got the experience of

1819
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 2: La that we didn't never really get the experience because

1820
01:19:19,720 --> 01:19:22,080
Speaker 2: at this point, this was one of the rare times

1821
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 2: in the history of basketball that even though you know,

1822
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,719
Speaker 2: it's no competition when it comes to the championships and y'all, y'all, y'alla,

1823
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:33,720
Speaker 2: at that point, popularity wise, it could be argued y'all

1824
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 2: were more popular than the Lakers. Y'all were winning more

1825
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 2: because the Lakers was down. And so how was that

1826
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 2: to be a part of that Clipper nation and a

1827
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 2: part of that team and that impactful?

1828
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: Bro?

1829
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 2: It was. It was unbelievable because, like you said, at

1830
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 2: the time, the Lakers are who they are. It ain't

1831
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,680
Speaker 2: no change history and changing that. And as long as

1832
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 2: Kobe was putting on an U form the Lakers was

1833
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 2: gonna be the Lakers, right, But at a time we

1834
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 2: had we called out a space where it wasn't just

1835
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 2: all Lakers. It was like, nah, I'm rocking with the Clippers, man,

1836
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And we were good, and

1837
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 2: we was beating them a lot, like for real, for real,

1838
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 2: like we was beating them a lot. I'm sure they

1839
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 2: beat us, but if we played fifteen sixteen times in

1840
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 2: that four year span, I bet you we won ninety

1841
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 2: five game. Maybe just once or twice, but it was

1842
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 2: like we was winning, and it gave our fans something

1843
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 2: to kind of stick to yourself and be proud about,

1844
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 2: even though I was proud as a former.

1845
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and y'all laid the blueprint.

1846
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: But I honestly think that, to be honest, I think

1847
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 2: that Love City team should have made it to at

1848
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 2: least two finals. It takes real luck to win it.

1849
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 2: So I don't know if we would have won it,

1850
01:20:38,840 --> 01:20:40,680
Speaker 2: but we should have at least made it two of them.

1851
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 2: And so I think that's one of the most talented

1852
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 2: teams that's never won, never won, and never wanted been

1853
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:46,280
Speaker 2: to the finals.

1854
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 1: Because we had everything. We was loaded, like.

1855
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:54,519
Speaker 2: Loaded, Yeah, y'all had squad. People forget that before Golden

1856
01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,480
Speaker 2: State went on they run to win the championships.

1857
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: It was the last team to put them out the playoff.

1858
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was the team. Yah was the team.

1859
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 2: And then we put we put the defending champions Spurs

1860
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 2: out of the playoffs the next year. Where do you

1861
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 2: think you got your because I don't need to ask,

1862
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 2: I know you superstitious? Where do you think that came from?

1863
01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 2: With everything? Like, like, let me tell you how superstition is.

1864
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 2: Man is y'all? Like I told you a story about

1865
01:21:16,800 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: the rubber bands and all that you do everything and

1866
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,240
Speaker 2: if one thing don't be right, watch me like this,

1867
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 2: you know everything with everybody I got, but like this

1868
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:28,560
Speaker 2: man was this superstitious. I was just sitting there like

1869
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,720
Speaker 2: so one time I don't remember exactly what he did.

1870
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:36,120
Speaker 2: He heard his shoulder somehow right so great, and he

1871
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 2: made like a little he made somebody a little pad

1872
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 2: with like a circle on him and it was like

1873
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:43,800
Speaker 2: the most ob noncious, craziest look. But it was keeping

1874
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 2: him like when he was hurt, it kept it protected

1875
01:21:46,160 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 2: so he wouldn't get hitting, it wouldn't hurt again. Mallin

1876
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 2: lost his mind in one of them games while he

1877
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 2: had this thing on long gone then injury long gone.

1878
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 2: The man he's in the path put on. I'm talking

1879
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: about cool month blade. I'm like, man, ain't nothing wrong

1880
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 2: this man? Hey, where did that got? Where this has

1881
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 2: come from? Bro? He got to the point, mister Dolan,

1882
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: I heard it got back to you miss, like he

1883
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,640
Speaker 2: has to take it off, like he's he has to

1884
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: take it off. Now it's making me think something's wrong.

1885
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 2: Tell me so I get rid of it. Yeah, I

1886
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 2: had to get rid of it. But when I was

1887
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 2: a kid, bro, Like I talked in the backyard lot

1888
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:29,120
Speaker 2: like my imagination's just run wow. So I would be

1889
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 2: in the backyard I was a kid. I would count

1890
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,360
Speaker 2: down through tuan, Oh, make this shot. You're going to Michigan.

1891
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: Make this shot.

1892
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 2: You go to NBA. I'm a I'm fifth, sixth, seventh,

1893
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 2: eighth grade, just dreaming, So this ain't really supposed to happen, right,

1894
01:22:41,160 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 2: Make the shot.

1895
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: You're going to Michigan. Make the shots You're going to NBA.

1896
01:22:43,840 --> 01:22:44,719
Speaker 1: I'm in eighth grade.

1897
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 2: Bro. You know there's millions upon men's of kids doing

1898
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 2: that same thing. And so when it worked out for me,

1899
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, damn, I really want to miss man. I'm

1900
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 2: made to the NBA. Oh man, when something tells me

1901
01:22:55,280 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 2: to do something, and that's it. They's a non negotiab movie.

1902
01:22:59,560 --> 01:23:01,560
Speaker 2: So if it's shoulder pad and I get hot, that

1903
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,479
Speaker 2: short pain't going nowhere. It's supposed to ask it.

1904
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,599
Speaker 4: So, so what did you eat before the game?

1905
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 2: What I eat? Your man? Thanking potatoes every game? I

1906
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:18,720
Speaker 2: read a long time ago that Michael Jordan did that

1907
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:24,360
Speaker 2: taking potatoes. See him, I'm like, hey, to the point,

1908
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: to the point, if we was on the road, I

1909
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 2: would order it. If the bust was at four thirty,

1910
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 2: I would order to get delivered to the front. Deser

1911
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 2: to go container fourth walking on the bustle Gelly my

1912
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 2: little bad ye.

1913
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:39,000
Speaker 4: So we're all part of the hip hop culture.

1914
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 2: This is the music man. Now, this is the music man.

1915
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 2: When you talk about music, this his life is about

1916
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 2: like as much as it is about basketball. You could

1917
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,720
Speaker 2: draw a parallel line and music goes right there.

1918
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 3: What was that CD or that song that you had

1919
01:23:53,280 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 3: to listen to damn there before every game that gets

1920
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 3: you in the mold?

1921
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 4: What going after?

1922
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 2: You already know? If you so? For me, I always

1923
01:24:02,760 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 2: this is how I looked at it right. The most

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01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,719
Speaker 2: fun you have is when you were in high school

1925
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:11,240
Speaker 2: playing you dominate. It's still pure. You can put on

1926
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Speaker 2: a show and go play with you hang out with

1927
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: your friends, or do whatever you do, right. And so

1928
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,240
Speaker 2: I always try to put myself in that mindset before

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01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 2: the game. So I would play songs I would play

1930
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 2: in high school before games. So whether it be old

1931
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 2: jay Z, Tupac, big Gie Nas, whatever it be, it

1932
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 2: would be something I listened to him before the high

1933
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 2: school game because I want to get in that mindset

1934
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,160
Speaker 2: where I was free, where I was not thinking, where

1935
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:34,680
Speaker 2: it wasn't like a coach could take me out my

1936
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: zone or a teammate, none of that. Like I just

1937
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: wanted to be in that zone. And so I put

1938
01:24:39,040 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 2: myself in that zone before every single game I ever played.

1939
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: It was a high school song that I listened to

1940
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,519
Speaker 2: then I was playing in my headphones, but it was

1941
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 2: mainly jay Z, Outcast, Tupac, Biggie Nah, this the music, man,

1942
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 2: you can't catch it with our head phones.

1943
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:53,640
Speaker 1: I took it.

1944
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:54,120
Speaker 2: I took it.

1945
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,679
Speaker 1: I always took it back to that ninety six ninety seven.

1946
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 2: Not everybody's half. We go back though, like like me

1947
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 2: and Ma always teammates. When we was when you were

1948
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 2: still walking on the plane, which is CD disc man

1949
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:10,400
Speaker 2: with your walking, Yeah, we go. We transitioned into the

1950
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:13,000
Speaker 2: I pods. That's when I started loading up his iPods

1951
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 2: with the fly music and all the teammates. But like

1952
01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:18,639
Speaker 2: we came from that ere where we still was doing

1953
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: CDs and LimeWire and all that stuff, and then that's

1954
01:25:26,200 --> 01:25:28,719
Speaker 2: how we was moving. And the other thing I wanted

1955
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 2: to ask you, man, which is something I thought it

1956
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,679
Speaker 2: was dope and I can remember sitting at home watching

1957
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,960
Speaker 2: when it happened, Like how did it feel for you?

1958
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,000
Speaker 2: Like somebody who's like you say, you a basketball purist,

1959
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:41,200
Speaker 2: you're a historian, you all of that with the game

1960
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 2: when you do things like past Reggie Miller, you know

1961
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,519
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, for the most four point plays in

1962
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 2: the history of the game. Like how and like you said,

1963
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: this is something that you were ridiculed about, like creating

1964
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:54,840
Speaker 2: off the dribble, shooting threes and doing those things. But

1965
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,639
Speaker 2: like that's also a testament to your you know, your

1966
01:25:57,720 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 2: will to stick with it and continue to do your thing.

1967
01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: Like how did that feel to get to that point

1968
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 2: where it's like daw this you ninety eight, you the

1969
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 2: same we the same name. So I know you being

1970
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,280
Speaker 2: an MJ fan, y'all know what REGI meant to you

1971
01:26:10,479 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 2: and how you meant to all of us. And for

1972
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,920
Speaker 2: you to think like never in a million years, like yeah,

1973
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 2: one day, you know we all dream to make the league.

1974
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 2: Make this. You didn't dream I'm gonna past Reggie Miller

1975
01:26:19,360 --> 01:26:23,759
Speaker 2: record one day? Noah, No, Like that's to be honest

1976
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 2: with you, when I could really sit back and really

1977
01:26:26,200 --> 01:26:29,160
Speaker 2: sit back and detach myself and separate from it, it's

1978
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 2: gonna hit me like man, Like even here, y'all say, man,

1979
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 2: we was at laws of Morning's house, Like, damn, y'all's

1980
01:26:34,640 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: at his house. Like I remember watching on inside stuff

1981
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, like Jams of the Week

1982
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 2: and Jam Session and all that, like just him hitting

1983
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,439
Speaker 2: the game when a shot at the top of the key,

1984
01:26:45,479 --> 01:26:46,479
Speaker 2: when he took that pause in the.

1985
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:48,280
Speaker 1: Playoffs right with the double arm bands.

1986
01:26:48,400 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 2: Like so for me, it's like Reggie Miller, like seeing

1987
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,519
Speaker 2: him score eight points and eight seconds in New York

1988
01:26:54,680 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 2: and one of the greatest shooters ever. Like to chill

1989
01:26:57,600 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 2: that stuff. I'm not jaded, like I'm not Jaden bro

1990
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 2: I'm not one of these dudes who like, yeah, it's

1991
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 2: all about me. We made it.

1992
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:03,960
Speaker 1: Look what I'm doing.

1993
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:07,080
Speaker 2: Like ah, like bro, let's recal Miller, Like we're already

1994
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 2: the one percent by playing it right, There's only been

1995
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 2: five thousand players in history. And when you doing something

1996
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 2: positive with the one percent of the one percent, and

1997
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 2: you leave your work on this game, and it's like

1998
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 2: a it's a blessing, it's a dream something like that.

1999
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 2: I didn't even dream about, to be honest with you,

2000
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 2: Like who would have guessed I would have broke some

2001
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:27,600
Speaker 2: of Regi Miller's records or like, come on, you know

2002
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 2: what I mean. So I'm just thankful and blessed and

2003
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 2: humble by it for real, for real, like on some real,

2004
01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 2: real real to I won't salute you, my boy, like

2005
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,599
Speaker 2: you know how we go back like foe fless man.

2006
01:27:37,680 --> 01:27:40,240
Speaker 2: I didn't watch everything. Man, I feel like you, for real,

2007
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 2: one of them ones that you know when things get

2008
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 2: set and downe, you're gonna go down to somebody who

2009
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 2: made it cool to be a six man, who made

2010
01:27:47,200 --> 01:27:49,800
Speaker 2: it acceptable. You know, obviously you weren't the first, you

2011
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:51,560
Speaker 2: won't be the last. And you didn't start it. But

2012
01:27:51,640 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 2: I mean it's a real bookmark and a benchmark for

2013
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: me to watch what you did and to know the

2014
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,559
Speaker 2: game you possess and to know that you was able

2015
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 2: to humble yourself with Sam this for the team and

2016
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this for this and that, but at

2017
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,280
Speaker 2: the same time still be able to find yourself and

2018
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,120
Speaker 2: be a champion in that role and do all that

2019
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 2: you was able to do. Man, you show you give

2020
01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 2: people hope. If anybody look at what you did and

2021
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 2: really look at it and say, man, I can go

2022
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 2: to Chicago camp and kill and make it and they can.

2023
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 2: So I mean, you give the underdogs and all these

2024
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,360
Speaker 2: other different people got you, you a representation and like

2025
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 2: we could do that. You one of them ones. No

2026
01:28:24,160 --> 01:28:26,439
Speaker 2: matter what nobody say, they can't talk about the game

2027
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:30,880
Speaker 2: of basketball period without talking about Marl Crawford. Somewhere up

2028
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:33,960
Speaker 2: in there, you dine, solidify, stamped and approved that that's good.

2029
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 4: Just to do it the way you did it. It's

2030
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,280
Speaker 4: never be done like that again. And I.

2031
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:43,679
Speaker 2: Like, and I promise to God, I hope like y'all

2032
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 2: see y'all see me, y'all see y'all Like y'all.

2033
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 1: Y'all fuel me, y'all field the whole class like y'a.

2034
01:28:49,560 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling y'all.

2035
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 2: If I wasn't on the show and they was like, hey,

2036
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 2: who was the top dog, I'm like, oh the knuckleheads

2037
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,920
Speaker 2: serious like they y'all inspired us, Bro, you may why, man,

2038
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,639
Speaker 2: I really appreciate y'all and like, like I said, hopefully

2039
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 2: when y'all see me, see y'all because we all tied

2040
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,120
Speaker 2: together and I appreciate y'all and I could wait to

2041
01:29:09,160 --> 01:29:11,280
Speaker 2: come on the show. I got a shout out Rob

2042
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 2: Hereris and Dave Hussin. They was like, man, when do

2043
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 2: you want on the Knuckleheads? I'm like, whenever they want me,

2044
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 2: I'm here. I've been wanting to come on the show

2045
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 2: for the whole time. So y'all back, and I appreciate it.

2046
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 2: Thank you God, so so so buch Man.

2047
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 4: You know he's coming.

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Speaker 2: Bro. All right.

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