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Speaker 1: Is that? Woo Wood and Ty, Well, welcome back to

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Speaker 3: Regarding their late November through this morning, late February, it's

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, December to remember to put it there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just incredible upheaval. And it kind of extends

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Speaker 3: What is the Ty hilden Brandt state of the program

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Speaker 3: Does this underscore the the idea, the fact the reality

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Speaker 2: I think it's the things you said, It's the sort

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Speaker 2: But I would also say, you know, I experienced this

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Speaker 3: process like?

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Speaker 2: Well, that first day, so the next day, after Lincoln

436
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Speaker 2: announced he was leaving, they had a press conference and

437
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 2: that's when they announced that Bob Stoops was stepping in.

438
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Speaker 2: And by the way, I have to say that Bob

439
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 2: Stoop's role in all of this can't be understated. I

440
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 2: don't think the fact that he first of all, that

441
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,919
Speaker 2: they had a guy like that that they could just

442
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 2: swoop in and stick in his interim coach, and he

443
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 2: immediately went out and recruited and all. But it was

444
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Speaker 2: more than that. It was just the confidence that he projected.

445
00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,800
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys remember his press conference

446
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: that next day where he said, you know, the players

447
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,680
Speaker 2: are Oklahoma football. It's not about one person. That sort

448
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 2: of message I think made people feel better just having

449
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 2: someone like that as opposed to just put making Alex

450
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 2: Grinch the interim coach or something like that, right, I

451
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: think being able to do that with Bob Stoops made

452
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Speaker 2: a big difference. And then yeah, I mean Joe costigleone

453
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 2: has said that Venables was the first call. Obviously they

454
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: talked to other people. I know they're been Uh you

455
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: know the names I've heard tossed around, Dan Lanning, we

456
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 2: heard about there was a brief point when people were

457
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 2: talking about Matt Ruhle as a potential candidate. There was

458
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Speaker 2: oh gosh, well, uh, Dave Randa his name came up

459
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 2: quite a bit, which I think he's a great coach

460
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 2: and it's done an amazing job at Baylor. But I

461
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: think Venables was always kind of a guy, his history

462
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Speaker 2: at ouh, him being kind of a Stoops guy, him

463
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Speaker 2: doing what he did at Clemson. Just an unbelievable job

464
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Speaker 2: at Clemson. Uh. And I mean, you know, this is

465
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Speaker 2: another connection ou fans have made. You know, Bud Wilkinson,

466
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Speaker 2: Barry Switzer, Bob Stoops, Wincoln Riley, none of them were

467
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: head coaches before they got hired. So I don't I

468
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 2: don't think people were too concerned about the fact that

469
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Speaker 2: he wasn't a head coach. But I mean Brent Brent

470
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: wanted to be here, He's got history here. I think

471
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: all of those things sort of made him a slam dunk.

472
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Speaker 2: And then the things that he's done since he's been hired,

473
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 2: I think have been have been pretty good.

474
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Speaker 3: What are those things? What is the the Brent Venables

475
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Speaker 3: early experience? What has that been like? And the big

476
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Speaker 3: thing that we talk about is vision. Oklahoma's going a

477
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 3: new direction in that he is a defensive minded guy.

478
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Speaker 3: And obviously Bob Stoops was with his background at Florida

479
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 3: and such. But what has the Brent Venables as like

480
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 3: the forward facing face of a program been like when

481
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 3: he has been behind the scenes exclusively all of these years.

482
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Speaker 3: What has he projected, what has he been selling? What

483
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Speaker 3: has that vision been like these first couple months.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean he's obviously projected a lot of confidence.

485
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: And then I think the thing that makes me say

486
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,239
Speaker 2: that I think they might be in better shape is

487
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 2: just for one, he came in and helped save this

488
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 2: recruiting class. I mean, Oklahoma's recruiting class was teetering when

489
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Speaker 2: Lincoln left. They slipped into the twenties. By a early

490
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 2: signing period, they were back in the top ten. They

491
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Speaker 2: ended up at number eight, which is their highest ranked

492
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Speaker 2: signing class in three years. It's only one of Riley's

493
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: classes is higher than that one was ranked higher than

494
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: that one, so that was pretty impressive. And then the

495
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 2: staff that he's put together, I mean, being able to

496
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 2: bring Todd Bates over from Clemson. Oklahoma has been pretty

497
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 2: good on the defensive line the last couple of years,

498
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: but nothing like what they need to be in the SEC.

499
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: I mean, ou hasn't had a defensive lineman drafted in

500
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Speaker 2: the first round since Gerald McCoy, and that was twelve

501
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 2: years ago. And so a guy like Todd Bates, who's

502
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 2: had three first round linemen, who is regarded as one

503
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 2: of their best recruiters. Having a guy like that that

504
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: can step in and help them recruit to the level

505
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Speaker 2: they need to recruit at to compete in the SEC

506
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: is a big deal. Jeff Levy, I think was a

507
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: great higher at offensive coordinator. The job he's done. I

508
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: don't think that you're gonna drop off that much from

509
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Speaker 2: what Lincoln Riley did, especially considering how poorly the offense

510
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,680
Speaker 2: played last year, even when they probably shouldn't have when

511
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 2: you would have expected them to be a lot better,

512
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: So I think that was a great higher. The other

513
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,399
Speaker 2: thing is he's he and all the people he's bringing

514
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 2: in around him know how to do one thing that

515
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 2: is obviously going to be the most important thing, and

516
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: that's they know how to beat Alabama. They've done it.

517
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 2: Bred Minnables has done it twice, Todd Bates has done

518
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 2: it twice. Jerry Schmidt, who they're bringing back, his strength coach.

519
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: He was a strength coach at Texas A and M.

520
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: Last year they're they're the only team that beat Alabama

521
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: in the regular season. So he's just he's taking a

522
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: Thad turnip Seed as a guy behind the scenes that

523
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: people don't really know about. Probably are a lot of

524
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: people don't, but he helped build up that infrastructured Alabama.

525
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: Then he went to Clemson did the same thing there.

526
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: So he's just bringing in people who know what it

527
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: takes to succeed in the world in which they're about

528
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 2: to be competing, because, let's be honest, they're not going

529
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 2: to dominate the SEC the way they've dominated the Big Twelve.

530
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Speaker 2: It's just not possible. And so getting people in place

531
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Speaker 2: who know how to do those things. And the other

532
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: thing I'd say and I said this last week, and

533
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Speaker 2: I think people thought I was being a homer, and

534
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 2: maybe it comes off that way, but I don't it too.

535
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: But it's just a fact that every year Lincoln Riley

536
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: was head coach, they got a tad bit worse every year,

537
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 2: just a little bit worse every year.

538
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 3: I mean same every year Lincoln Riley was the head

539
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: coach in Oklahoma. I've gotten a little bit worse myself.

540
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 3: So we've all been there. But yeah, the point is taken. Yeah,

541
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: me too.

542
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: But anyway, so that's why I think that once people

543
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: get over the shock and the anger and the hurt

544
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: and the betrayal, they're gonna see that I actually think

545
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 2: they're better off moving forward.

546
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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned Twitter spaces, Dan and Jason, you mentioned recruiting.

547
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: We have to talk about Caleb Williams. So one of

548
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 1: the uh, one of my favorite bits of speculation as

549
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 1: I surfed through some of those Twitter spaces is all

550
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: this was going down was that a guy like Caleb Williams,

551
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: someone high profile, to someone that they want to keep

552
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 1: within the program, et cetera, et cetera, is going to

553
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: have some input or would have some input as to

554
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: the next head football coach. First off, you have to

555
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 1: fact check that for me. Is that the kind of

556
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: thing that went on at all?

557
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: I know? I cannot imagine, Okay, I did.

558
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,679
Speaker 1: That's good. Thank you for clearing that up.

559
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 2: Knowing joke ASTI I would be shocked.

560
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: I was okay, just checking. But that was some bit

561
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: of speculation that was out there. The Caleb Williams thing

562
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: was dicey. It was weird. Here's a guy for Oklahoma

563
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 1: who burst onto the scene. Clearly they knew they had

564
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: something with him. He supplanted Spencer Rattler in order to

565
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: do that. It's not just going to be, you know,

566
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: a run of the mill backup, Caleb Williams is going

567
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: to be a really good college football player. Did it

568
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: rankle people with how he went about his business in

569
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: sort of putting his name out there in the same sense,

570
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: like kind of leaving the door open that he might

571
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: be willing to come back to Oklahoma, then making a

572
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: bit of a spectacle about where he's going to go next.

573
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: Why he got guys swooping in like Dylan Gabriel swoops

574
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: in like talk us through what that circumstance has been

575
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: like just from a reporter standpoint, trying to cover Like

576
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 1: I'm guessing you're not keeping track of tail numbers of

577
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: private planes in the same manner, but like, what was

578
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: it like to try and cover the motion on that level?

579
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that was kind of the biggest subplot of

580
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: the whole thing throughout the month of December, is what's

581
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: Caleb gonna do? Yeah, because you remember he Lincoln did

582
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: not allow him to speak to the media at all,

583
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: So he didn't talk to us at all throughout the

584
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 2: month of December. I think he tweeted a couple times

585
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 2: and put a few Instagram stories up, and that's about

586
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: the only public comments he was making, and so no

587
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 2: one really knew what he was thinking. It was interesting

588
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: to I don't think OU fans are that mad at

589
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: Caleb Williams. I really don't. And that's just my read

590
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: on it because and I think the reason they're not

591
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: that mad at him is because he did stick it

592
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: out through the bowl game. He didn't have to do that.

593
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I think he deserves some credit for that

594
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 2: stuck around. He played really well in the bowl game,

595
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:07,239
Speaker 2: he finished the season, and and I think people are

596
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 2: willing to cut him a lot more slack than Lincoln. Riley,

597
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: the adult who sure you know, did what he did so,

598
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 2: but it was strange throughout the month of December. And

599
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: then he plays so well in the Alamobile and we're

600
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: all sitting in that press conference room, and when the

601
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 2: Alamobile staffer walked out and put the little placard that

602
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 2: said Caleb Williams, it was like, Oh, my god, we're

603
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: going to talk to Caleb Williams. It was like one

604
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 2: in the morning, and I was a little delusional, but

605
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: still I was like, Wow, we're gonna talk to Cayla Williams.

606
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: And I almost thought if they're going to bring him

607
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 2: in after this game for his first time being available,

608
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 2: I almost thought maybe it would make sense for him

609
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: to come in and pledge his loyalty. I thought. I

610
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 2: kind of thought that's what he was going to do, right,

611
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: you know. I thought, maybe this is their big moment there,

612
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: they've been saving it for this, and he's going to

613
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: announce and then anywhere and yeah, do the Leonardo DiCaprio

614
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 2: Wolf of Wall Street thing. But he he didn't. In fact,

615
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: he was very vague, and then he made some comment

616
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: about we'll see what I decide, and that's when I thought, Okay, Wow,

617
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: this isn't the same time. And then when he entered

618
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: the portal, it was kind of it was a foregone conclusion.

619
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: I didn't think there was any real possibility he was

620
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: coming back, especially once Dylan Gabriel committed hours later. So

621
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: it was weird. That was a very And the other

622
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: thing is weird about that is I've never seen this before.

623
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: Caleb announces he's entering the portal, and then castiglionean Venables

624
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: issued public statements like they put out official statements about

625
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: that and basically saying, hey, we're a great place for

626
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 2: NIL and we can do this. And I'm like, wow,

627
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 2: this is wild. This is just a new world, well,

628
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: completely new world.

629
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Speaker 1: And given the connection to Jeff Levy, you do get

630
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: the sense that Dylan Gabriel was just sort of refreshing

631
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: his computer screen, yeah wait, waiting for the slot to

632
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: appear so that he could full throatedly commit to Oklahoma.

633
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: And he was. And yet that's the other part of

634
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: that story. I actually had to talk to Dylan Gabriel

635
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 2: last week a little bit. I mean, he was two

636
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: hours away from the point of no return. If he

637
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: had gone to his first class that day at UCLA.

638
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: The NCAA rules say he's stuck there. He can't transfer

639
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 2: with the media eligibility, So it was really a you know,

640
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 2: I'd love I would have loved to have been in

641
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: the room for some of that from those conversations because

642
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 2: it all had to happen very fast.

643
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: There is a change of philosophy though, in that Brent

644
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: Venables definitely has more aptitude on the defensive side of

645
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: the football. He's been around the Clemson program, been around

646
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: old Oklahoma programs that were all very successful, So you're

647
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: right in saying he knows what it takes to win

648
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: at a really high level. But again, you've had an

649
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: offensive minded to some extent genius running things for the

650
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,959
Speaker 1: last couple of seasons. As they now move forward at

651
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: Oklahoma into this new era, how concerned are you about

652
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: what the offense looks like. I know you say, maybe

653
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: they're in a better spot now than they've been. But

654
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: talk about that trade and going from one to another,

655
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 1: how it makes you feel as someone who's covered the team.

656
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's gonna be interesting because there's kind of

657
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: multiple ways to look at it. I mean, on the

658
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: one hand, obviously Lincoln Riley has the reputation he has

659
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: for a reason. He's a great coach. He is a

660
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: great coach, and I none of what I've said, I

661
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: don't want to indicate that I'm implying he's not a

662
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: great coach. He's very smart and and obviously knows how

663
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 2: to coach offense. But interestingly, the other than the coordinator,

664
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 2: the entire offensive staff is back. I mean they they

665
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: retain Keo Gundy, Bill Beadenbow, Joe John Finley, and DeMarco Murray.

666
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: I mean they've they've retained this the offensive staff, so

667
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: I think that will help with some continuity. And then

668
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: the fact that Dylan Gabriel came in I just think

669
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: is huge because if they hadn't gotten him, a guy

670
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: who not only is very successful, but also knows Jeff Levy,

671
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: knows his system and can sort of step right in

672
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: and have success. I think that was huge because if

673
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 2: they didn't get him, I don't know what they would

674
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 2: have done. They would have been stuck with a true

675
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 2: freshman and a walk on, I think is pretty much

676
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 2: all they would have been stuck with. They didn't have

677
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: anybody else, especially once Rattler also transferred to South Carolina,

678
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: So getting Gabriel, I think could could make a huge difference.

679
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: But but yeah, and then on the defensive side, they

680
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: they've been better under Alex Grinch than they wore under

681
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: MIC's tops. That's a given. That's that's a given. But

682
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: they still weren't great on defense, particularly the last last year.

683
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: I mean, they just weren't. They weren't great on defense.

684
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 2: So that that's kind of why I think there is

685
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: a chance that that overall the product can be better.

686
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't be surprised if the offense maybe isn't

687
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: quite as explosive as it was under Kyler Murray or

688
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. But those were also number one draft pick

689
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 2: quarterbacks too.

690
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 3: What is the depth looked like around Dylan Gabriel? What

691
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: is the offensive line which obviously it's you know, to

692
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: have a legendary coach return and not follow Lincoln Riley,

693
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 3: which I'm sure is fraught with its own decision and drama.

694
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: Whatever the idea that Bill Beten Bow, beeten bough beat

695
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: and bow yeah, would follow him to USC or not

696
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 3: follow him to USC. Obviously, Mario Williams, a promising young receiver,

697
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 3: decides to follow Lincoln Riley to USC. Is the offense

698
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 3: in good shape for Jeff Levy and Dylan Gabriel as

699
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: we would expect it to be year in and year

700
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 3: out under the previous regime.

701
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean around Gabriel's it's not great. I mean,

702
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: Dylan Gabriel is the only person on the roster. I

703
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 2: take that back. Ralph Rucker, a walk on freshman last year,

704
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 2: took two snaps against Western Carolina. That's the only other

705
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: experience the quarterback room has at Oklahoma right now. They

706
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 2: signed Nick Evers, a four star freshman that's already on campus.

707
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: And then they also have Micah Bowen's a kid who

708
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: is from Vegas, plays freshman ye at Penn State. Never

709
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: played transferred to you, but he never even got on

710
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 2: the depth chart. He was behind the walk on and

711
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: mentioned Ralph Rucker throughout the year, So I don't think

712
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 2: he's the answer. So so yeah, that Dylan Gabriel is

713
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,800
Speaker 2: really going to need to stay healthy, I think is

714
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: one thing. At running back, they lose Kennedy Brooks, who

715
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: has been kind of a stalwart, a three time thousand

716
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 2: yard rusher. That's a big loss. Jeremiah Hall was an

717
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: HVAC tight end that was a multi year starter team captain.

718
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: They lose him, and you mentioned the offensive line, you know,

719
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: they lose three three three year starters. Eric Swinston, Marquise Hayes,

720
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 2: and Tyresh Robinson are all gone. So there's going to

721
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: have to be some rebuilding there too. But I do

722
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 2: think one thing that I've I've heard some people mention,

723
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: and I think it might be worth saying, is they

724
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 2: are bringing back Jerry Schmid as the strength coach. And

725
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: there has been a perception around the program the last

726
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 2: couple of years, particularly among the former players, that something

727
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: was lost when Jerry Schmidt left. Jerry Schmid has this

728
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 2: legendary crazy man persona all the former OU players who

729
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: talk about his workouts and the torture that they went through.

730
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,959
Speaker 2: But that's the reason they were so tough for so long.

731
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, nothing against the guy who

732
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 2: replaced Jerry Schmidt, but I think there's a perception out

733
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 2: there that maybe the offensive line play will get better

734
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 2: because they haven't been very good on the offensive line

735
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: the last couple of years. To be honest, they just haven't.

736
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: The name that was hired Ted Roof is brought in

737
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: to that is that is.

738
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 2: A hell of a resume, by the way, Holy.

739
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: Cow, he's just he has his Marriott points and I

740
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: think they're being devalued at the end of this year. Actually,

741
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: so ted Roof analysts, you know, he's a consultant whatever

742
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: he is at Clemson, But of course he has a

743
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: ton of experience as a defensive coordinator. And I think,

744
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 3: to put it mildly, not necessarily somebody coming in with

745
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 3: a reputation that Brent Ventables comes in with as a

746
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 3: defensive mind. Why why ted Roof the name that comes in?

747
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 3: Is it because he is a puppet coordinator?

748
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: Like?

749
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: What is it?

750
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: Just?

751
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: It was very confusing that Oklahoma is a place and

752
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: Brent Venables presumably is a personality and head coach who

753
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: can say this is the next big young guy. He's

754
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 3: the one that's gonna like he is the sharp defensive

755
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: mind that I want, you know, calling my defense and

756
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: all due respect to ted Roof, but he's not. He

757
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily fit that bill. What was behind that?

758
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Brent obviously had a relationship

759
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: with him and trusted him. At Clemson, he brought wanted

760
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,439
Speaker 2: to bring in someone with a lot of experience that

761
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 2: would and I mean, he's gonna do whatever Brent Venables

762
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: wants him to do, and maybe that's maybe that's enough.

763
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 2: Maybe he just a't somebody he can trust that is

764
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 2: experienced and he doesn't have to worry too much about it.

765
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: Maybe that's it because Oklahoma is coming off four or

766
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: five years of a head coach who also called plays,

767
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: and maybe he wanted someone he could trust in that role.

768
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 2: But that was actually one of the funny, funnier things.

769
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 2: The day they announced Levy, which we all knew was coming,

770
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: they also announced ted Roof, and it was like, who

771
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 2: wait what huh? Like, okay, so Jeff Levy, Oh my god,

772
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: what a great hiring er. And again I'm not saying

773
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 2: anything no offense to ted Roof. He's I mean, people

774
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 2: don't keep getting jobs if they're not good coaches, so

775
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: I would. I would also, well, that's not always true,

776
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 2: but mostly it's true. He's been at a lot of places,

777
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 2: he's had some success. He's a former head coach, which

778
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: I think wasn't a particularly successful one, but he was

779
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: a head coach for a couple of years, and maybe

780
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: that makes a difference. Having another, especially for a first

781
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 2: time head coach, to have another head coach in the room.

782
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that was I think your reaction

783
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: was very similar to the reaction around here.

784
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: One of the interesting things to me as we move

785
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 3: into twenty twenty two, three four, or twenty five whatever,

786
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: is that the name, image and likeness element of the sport.

787
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 3: And we've seen a lot of strong opinions from fans,

788
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 3: from coaches, from players whatever. It seemed like Oklahoma under

789
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley, they seemed forward. They see know Spencer Ratler,

790
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: you know, I think he came up with his own

791
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: logo and was you know, encouraged and welcome to do

792
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: whatever he wanted. But there are some coaches who very

793
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 3: much or like I might go for the NFL where

794
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 3: I can just coach football and not worry about selling

795
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,879
Speaker 3: all these different parts of being a college football player

796
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two. Brent Vennables surely has an opinion,

797
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: surely has a vision, Surely has an idea of what

798
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 3: he wants Oklahoma to be and how he steers into

799
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 3: how the program steers into nil What has that been?

800
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 3: You know? Is he somebody who has you know encouraged

801
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: you know, boosters and local businesses like is he like

802
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 3: all in on the modern realities of college football.

803
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: I think so, I mean, I think you have to

804
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: be I think you can succeed anymore without being all

805
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: in on that. It's it is funny. I mean last year,

806
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: that first year of the nil Spencer Rattler, I actually

807
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: went to Chicago to the Sports Collector's Convention where he

808
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: was like signing autographs next to EMMITTT. Smith and and

809
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 2: hul Cogan not maybe not Hule Cogan, I can't remember.

810
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 2: There were a bunch of celebrities there. It's actually where

811
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: I got this my Ralph Maccio autography. Nice I bought

812
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: that while I was there because I was working really hard, clearly,

813
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 2: But uh, but no, So, I mean, they they leaned

814
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: into it last year. But I also don't know that

815
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 2: they necessarily had the organization that you've seen at some

816
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: other places where you know, the stuff we've heard about

817
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 2: Texas and Texas A and M and some of those

818
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 2: places that have sort of uh maybe been a little

819
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 2: their boosters seem a little more organized than what OU's

820
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: boosters have been. I do think that there there are

821
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 2: steps being taken to address that. I've talked to some people.

822
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: I don't know any real details, but I do think

823
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: that's something that they are addressing and working on right

824
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: now because they're going to have to. I mean, there's

825
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: just no way you can compete, especially in the SEC,

826
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: if you're not willing to go all in on that stuff.

827
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: Jason, when are they joining the SEC?

828
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 2: Great question? Great question? Uh, you know, whenever that all

829
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: first broke last year? Man?

830
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: What what?

831
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: Just a crazy year this has been on the ou B,

832
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: which is usually pretty easy, Like usually there's not a

833
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: whole lot of crazy stuff that happens. This has been

834
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: the most insane year on the OUBT. But when that

835
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 2: first happened and they said twenty twenty five, I think

836
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: we all kind of were like, Eh, no way, Like,

837
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 2: no way, it's going to take that long. But I

838
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,879
Speaker 2: really don't know. I mean, they've they've got to pay

839
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: a lot of money to get out of that grant

840
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 2: of rights, and I don't I don't know if they're

841
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 2: going to be able to do that. So I think

842
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: it'd be kind of cool if we had a year

843
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: or two where OU was playing BYU and Cincinnati. I

844
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: think that's kind of cool that if we got one

845
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 2: year of a fourteen team, Big twelve and we may

846
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 2: and we may get that.

847
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: What's the sentiment been around that particular move, because, as

848
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know better than us, the immediate reaction

849
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: from others in the Big Twelve was, you know, especially

850
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: the conference commissioner and Bob Boldby, there was there was

851
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: a pretty staunch response to hearing that the two founding

852
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: members of the Big Twelve were going to go elsewhere.

853
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: How to Oklahoma people feel about this decision to go

854
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: over to the SEC.

855
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: I think I think fans are excited, and they've been

856
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 2: excited really from the beginning, because I think that they've

857
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 2: felt for a while, like, you know, they've dominated the

858
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: Big Twelve so thoroughly that for one, that you know,

859
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: they're just so much better than everybody else in the

860
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 2: conference really most years, obviously last year was different. But

861
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 2: and also I think there's a sense that OU fans

862
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 2: feel like they belong in a conference with Alabama and

863
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 2: LSU and uh, you know, the Georgia Tennessee those sorts

864
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 2: of programs. Because I mean, I think it's interesting OU

865
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: has the second largest stadium in the Big Twelve by

866
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: a by like twenty thousand. Ioways State is third in

867
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 2: the SECO. He's gonna have the ninth largest stadium. Like,

868
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: I just think that people think feel like they belong

869
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 2: in that's in that sort of league with that sort

870
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: of competition, given their resources and their history. But then

871
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 2: there are also a lot of people I've seen and

872
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 2: not necessarily O you fans that are that are that

873
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: wonder are you driving down Nebraska Boulevard here? Like are

874
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: you going to go into another conference and all of

875
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: a sudden become irrelevant because you're having to play you know,

876
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 2: your your easy games are against what Ole miss and

877
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: and and Arkansas, both programs that can be pretty good

878
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 2: Nebraska Boulevard. Oh that's right, I mean, I'm sorry, I yeah,

879
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: but you know what I mean. Yeah, so yeah. But generally,

880
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: the feeling around here I think is a lot of excitement. Now,

881
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 2: people in Stillwater aren't very happy about it, but sure.

882
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 2: But other than that, I think people are genuinely excited.

883
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 2: I mean, the other thing is, oh, use, it's not

884
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,240
Speaker 2: like OU's home schedule has been anything all that exciting.

885
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: I think people have complained for years about the home schedule,

886
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 2: the season ticket slate. I mean, and again I'm I

887
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: really want to be careful because I don't want to

888
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: critic I don't want to talk down to fans of

889
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: places like Kansas State and Baylor and Iowa State at all.

890
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 2: I love those places, but I think fans speaking on

891
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: behalf of fans, I feel like they sort of those

892
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: games don't really excite them anymore. And I think the

893
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 2: idea of having Alabama come to Norman, having Auburn come

894
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: to Norman, bringing back Texas A and M, that was

895
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 2: a fun, fun rivalry for a while. So I think

896
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 2: those things are very exciting to fans.

897
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you look at college football currency

898
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: as attention, it's an electric move. It's an absolutely incredible

899
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 3: move for Oklahoma to be in the biggest conversations with

900
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 3: the biggest teams in the biggest TV windows. And you're right,

901
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 3: there's just not a reality with some of the teams

902
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: in the Big twelve. It's hard to get excited for Kansas,

903
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: it's hard to get excited for a down Baylor or

904
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 3: a down TCU, as you know, interesting and fun and

905
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: excellent as those programs have been, but now as they

906
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 3: enter into that electric conversation, it's a conversation with Alabama,

907
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: with LSU, with Georgia with Texas A and M, and

908
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 3: these are schools financially serious about being war machines of

909
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: the sport. I have no idea either way if Oklahoma

910
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: has had to become as serious as those programs financially

911
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 3: because they just keep dominating the Big twelve and the

912
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: onus to stay ahead of somebody else who's going to

913
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 3: outspend you or out build you or out hire you.

914
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 3: Is it necessary there because Kansas State's not spending ten

915
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: million dollars on the head coach? Has Oklahoma? Is Oklahoma

916
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 3: already serious in that way? Or as part of Brent

917
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: Venable's coming over, does he say we need eight more analysts,

918
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: we need seven more recruiting staffers, we need a new

919
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: weight room. Like where is Oklahoma in terms of competing

920
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 3: off the field with their whenever new conference mates?

921
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: Well, like about eight years ago, maybe they released a

922
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 2: master plan for the stadium where they were going to

923
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 2: do all this renovation to the Barry Switzer Center, which

924
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: is where they house the weight room in the locker

925
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 2: room and the football offices, and then they were also

926
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 2: going to renovate the stadium in the press box, which

927
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: is in desperate need of renovation. Speaking selfishly sure, But

928
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: then it was sort of interesting because like the oil

929
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: prices sort of tanked at that time, whatever year that was,

930
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 2: and so they had to majorly scale back, and so

931
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: they ended up doing the Switzer Center and so they

932
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: have an amazing weight room, new locker room, football offices,

933
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 2: all you know, gosh, what's the word the pools, the

934
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 2: lot yeah, whatever it is. I'm trying to think of

935
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,479
Speaker 2: the word recovery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff.

936
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: They have all that kind of stuff. The stadium still

937
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 2: probably needs a little bit of work, but they they've

938
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: fairly recently built an athletic dorm that's really kind of

939
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: was state of the art at the time. That was

940
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: also nine or ten years ago, but still so they

941
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 2: they have sort of kept up a little bit. But

942
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 2: I do think there's a sense that maybe they can

943
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: take it up another level here with SEC money. I

944
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: think that might make a big difference, and not just

945
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:49,720
Speaker 2: in football. By the way, right Oklahoma needs a basketball arena, bad,

946
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: really bad. The softball program has been great, but they're

947
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 2: trying to build a new stadium. Like there's a lot

948
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: that this SEC money I think can can help provide.

949
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: When when will the fan base collectively turn the page

950
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: on Lincoln Riley.

951
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 2: They should have done it, probably a couple of weeks ago. Yeah,

952
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 2: but but I think it's I don't think it'll that'll

953
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 2: linger much longer now is now is lingoln Riley's Twitter

954
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 2: mention is going to be safe anytime soon? Probably not.

955
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know. He turns his replies

956
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 2: off a lot now, Okay, because of Ou fans, So

957
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: I think that'll probably continue for a while. But uh,

958
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: but I think that especially once we get into spring

959
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 2: football and the spring game and uh, and certainly once

960
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: we get into the season, I think people will we'll

961
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: probably move on. They'll probably still be actively rooting against

962
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: USC every week, but but I don't think that it'll

963
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: be this level of anger and and obsession.

964
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: You mean the uh the T bow as a pejorative

965
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: no comment.

966
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you don't know what that means, google it.

967
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: Yes, final question for me, just because I'm dying to

968
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 3: go to an OU game and haven't have not been

969
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 3: to the state of Oklahoma. Actually, I know people who

970
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: have recently moved to Tulsa and have heard great things

971
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 3: like Oklahoma. I'm gonna say it right now, underrated state

972
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: I don't love ice storms, so I'm not going to

973
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 3: visit then, or tornadoes or tornadoes. Not a fan of

974
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: that either. What what if somebody's coming in to visit,

975
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 3: especially somebody that is a fan of an SEC team

976
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 3: in the next few years, whenever that happens, map out

977
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 3: to me and I just am always going to lean food.

978
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 3: What are you doing in Oklahoma City? What are you

979
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 3: doing in Norman? What is the move to fully treat

980
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 3: your stomach if you're coming in for a road game

981
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 3: to Norman and Oka?

982
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 2: See? Okay, wow, let's see. Well Norman, I think you

983
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 2: have to start with a Swirl from the Mont. This

984
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 2: little restaurant bar near the stadium, they serve this, their

985
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 2: little iconic cocktail is called a Swirl. It's okay, it's

986
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: half frozen sangria, half frozen margarita. I actually wrote a

987
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 2: story about it a couple of years ago. I may

988
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 2: it is it is extremely dangerous. That is I had

989
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: many of them when I was in college, and maybe

990
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 2: a few sins then. And uh, and it's it's kind

991
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: of the I would say, it's like Norman's main best

992
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: known like cocktail. I would say, so, I think you

993
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 2: got to go to the Mont and get a swirl.

994
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: O'Connell's is a very kind of famous Irish bar restaurant

995
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 2: right off campus that that that is a good place

996
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 2: to go. The Campus Corner has changed a lot in

997
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 2: the last couple of years really, since I moved out

998
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: of Norman. Campus Corner, which is the little area with

999
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: all the campus bars, has changed quite a bit. Uh

1000
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: So I don't know as many places there as I

1001
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 2: used to. But Oklahoma City, I would hit the Plaza District.

1002
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 2: That's a lot of great places in Oklahoma City in

1003
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 2: the in the Plaza district not too far from my house.

1004
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 2: Bricktown is a pretty popular spot right off downtown with

1005
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 2: Brick Roads. It's uh there's a lot of cool bars there.

1006
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: So those are kind of the places I might, I might.

1007
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: I Okay, So this is I'm gonna be even more

1008
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,280
Speaker 3: specific because I had never heard of something until probably,

1009
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,600
Speaker 3: I don't know, four or five years ago. I don't

1010
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: know if Tay has heard of this. Ty, Do you

1011
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 3: know what an Oklahoma style burger is?

1012
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: No?

1013
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely not.

1014
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 3: First of all, it's it's up there with like Detroit

1015
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 3: style pizza as a regional style food that I had

1016
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 3: no idea existed until a few years ago, and then

1017
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 3: when I found out, I was ready to fully dedicate

1018
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 3: my life to it. Okay, an Oklahoma style burger. They're

1019
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 3: thin patties, but they're they're grilled on a flat top

1020
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 3: at the same time as shaved onions.

1021
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 2: Yeah around burgers.

1022
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, the onion burger, the Oklahoma onion burger. So you're

1023
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 3: getting all of the onion juices mixed in with the

1024
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 3: beef and it's thin. And then the because you're basically

1025
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 3: grilling the onions at the same time, they're getting really charred.

1026
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 3: So you get this very oniony, thin burger. And I'm

1027
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,959
Speaker 3: drooling thinking about it right now. Is there a specific place?

1028
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be a Norman, doesn't have to

1029
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 3: be in Oklahoma City.

1030
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: I just.

1031
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 3: I'm I'm at a loss for how brilliant this burger

1032
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 3: is and I've never had it. And if I'm coming there,

1033
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 3: where are we going?

1034
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: Well, I think to get the best onion burger experience,

1035
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 2: you probably need to go to El Reno, which is

1036
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: a which is not close to Norman. It's it's probably

1037
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,919
Speaker 2: about forty forty or forty five minutes from Norman. Yeah,

1038
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: I think that's where it was invented. I can't. I'm

1039
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: so embarrassed. I'm a bad Oklahoma and I cannot remember

1040
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: the name of the place where it was invented. But

1041
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: they've got them. There's a bunch of places that do

1042
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 2: onion burgers around here, but but El Reno is I

1043
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 2: think the original home of the onion burger. So it's

1044
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: a little town. It's west of Oklahoma City.

1045
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: So I have Roberts, I have Johnny's, and I have

1046
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 3: sids are all coming up on Google.

1047
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 2: I've heard of all those places, and oh my god,

1048
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 2: somebody's going to be so mad at me. Okay, Al

1049
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: Reno is going to listen to this.

1050
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 3: Go to all of those places and give them your

1051
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 3: money if you're in the area.

1052
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I need to do. I need to

1053
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: do that. So good. I forgot one more place I

1054
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 2: need to I need to pimp. And I can't believe

1055
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: I didn't think of this when you ask for food places.

1056
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: There is a restaurant in a small town south of

1057
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: Norman called Noble. Noble, Oklahoma is my hometown. Shout out

1058
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: Noble Bears. There's a restaurant called Kendall's and they have

1059
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 2: the best chicken fried steak I've ever had. Oh, they

1060
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: serve you a big cinnamon roll after you're done eating.

1061
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 2: It's a complimentary cinnamon roll. Go to Kendall's.

1062
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 3: I love all of that.

1063
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: It's cash only, though, so keep that in mind.

1064
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: Dan just sent me a picture of these burgers. Yeah,

1065
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 1: I'm into it, Dan, Yeah, of course you aren't showing.

1066
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 3: The world together the Oklahoma on neonburgerme.

1067
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 2: Come to Oklahoma, have an onion burger and go to Kendalls.

1068
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm I really let my hometown down by not mentioning them.

1069
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 3: Right now, you nailed it.

1070
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 1: You're great. Jason Curzy from the Athletic, Sir, it's a

1071
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: pleasure to have you on the show, get your insight

1072
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: on what all went down with Oklahoma and Lincoln Riley

1073
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 1: and where things are headed next.

1074
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thanks so much for having me guys.

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Speaker 1: All righty, there we go, Jason Curzy from the Athletic,

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Speaker 1: making us feel a little bit sweeter about all things

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma football. Dan, what jumped out to you other than

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Speaker 1: the food? I know the food jumps out to you

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Speaker 1: by Onion, other than the burgers? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: What jumped out to me?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: The the coping mechanism of and this isn't Jason coping.

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Speaker 3: This is I think, just in general Oklahoma fans in

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Speaker 3: the Oklahoma community, the coping mechanism of we're better off.

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Speaker 3: We're better off with Brent Venables than we were with

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Speaker 3: Lincoln Riley. When Lincoln Riley is one of like five

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Speaker 3: four six people in the universe who have who are

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Speaker 3: active head coaches who have taken a team to the playoff.

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Speaker 3: There is a lot to be learned about Brent Vnables

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Speaker 3: as a head coach, recruiting, in game, everything, hiring, the

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Speaker 3: He's checked every box early on other than in game obviously,

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Speaker 3: and the that sort of coping mechanism is tricky. Again,

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Speaker 3: I'm going through a similar thing with Mario Cristaball leaving

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Speaker 3: and Mario christ Ball won what two Rose Bowls one

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Speaker 3: or the past twelve a couple of times that a

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Speaker 3: lot of Oregon fans are saying, we're better off with

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Speaker 3: Dan Lanning. It's a new era, and look at how

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Speaker 3: the excitement and his background at Georgia, Like, I don't

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Speaker 3: think Orgon's better off. They might be at some point,

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Speaker 3: but that's a tough thing to convince yourself of without

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Speaker 3: any evidence, so that that's interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was struck by I think his optimism that

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Speaker 1: we're on Brand Venables honestly.

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Speaker 3: You know, which I think is founded. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think there's any reason to feel otherwise.

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Speaker 1: I understand, you know, the opposing point of view there,

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Speaker 1: but I'm encouraged by what he reports about Brand Venables

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Speaker 1: doing on the recruiting trail, holding that class together, maybe

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Speaker 1: having a more open program, if only with the media,

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Speaker 1: those types of things. I mean, yeah, over the course

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Speaker 1: of time, that builds, right, and perhaps we saw something

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Speaker 1: of a release when Lincoln Riley decided to go westward.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that was part of some of the animosity that

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Speaker 1: I referenced. I don't know, but his optimism, I think

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Speaker 1: is encouraging if you're an Oklahoma fan, or if you're

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Speaker 1: just a fan of interesting storylines. Going into twenty two,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be something that we have to

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Speaker 1: talk about because frankly, it's one of the most interesting

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Speaker 1: things out there. We'll see.

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Speaker 3: One thing I regret not asking him about in retrospect,

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Speaker 3: the joke Castiglione statement when Caleb Williams decided to enter

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Speaker 3: the portal of like Oklahoma is bigger than anyone player.

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Speaker 3: Oklahoma will continue to succeed because of the infrastructure we had.

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Speaker 3: That said, if KAYLEB Williams wants to return, of course,

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Speaker 3: we'd welcome. I don't plan on being in any more

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Speaker 3: relationships in my life. I'm very happily wed, but I

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Speaker 3: don't see myself making a statement to anybody in that

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Speaker 3: fashion if a relationship doesn't work out, like, Look, my

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Speaker 3: life is bigger than any one partner, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: move forward proudly and confidently. That said, if she wants

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Speaker 3: to take me back, I'm into it. It's just yeah,

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Speaker 3: it was. It was a season or an off season

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Speaker 3: of some weird press releases and that that was squarely

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Speaker 3: right there.

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Speaker 1: One final question for you, Yeah, and then we'll let

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Speaker 1: the fine people go. Okay. So much around this Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: story has been kle Williams mm hmm, Cale Williams staying,

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Speaker 1: Kyle Williams going. Are we sure Cale Williams is worth

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Speaker 1: the spill?

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Speaker 3: Like this question? Continue?

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Speaker 1: Are we sure he's worth it? He's good, He's clearly good.

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Speaker 1: He was a top flight recruit. He came in. He

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Speaker 1: definitely gave that Oklahoma offensive boost. But we still sort

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Speaker 1: of only have a limited sample size, and there were

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Speaker 1: moments when he went up against better defenses that they confused.

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Speaker 1: Right now, he's a young quarterback, right totally, he's a freshman,

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Speaker 1: so you got to give him at least some bit

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Speaker 1: of slack. But all of the energy being put into

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Speaker 1: Cale Williams keeping him trying to get him for your team.

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Speaker 1: Is he going to Wisconsin? Now he's going to USC.

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Speaker 1: Of course he's going to USC. I don't know. On

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Speaker 1: some level, like if this were any other kind of relationship,

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Speaker 1: you'd wonder, is this individual worth it?

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Speaker 2: All? Right? It?

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Speaker 1: Is he worth it?

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Speaker 3: Yes? He is worth it because of the rarity of

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Speaker 3: his ceiling. The rarity of his ceiling. Is Heisman caliber?

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Speaker 3: Is first round quarterback? Is all of the above?

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Speaker 1: Do you think we My question though, is do you

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Speaker 1: think we know enough to say that that's the ceiling?

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Speaker 3: Well, we've seen we've seen that. We saw the Texas game,

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Speaker 3: we saw the Texas Tech game. We saw what he

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Speaker 3: looked like against a I mean, it was a depleted

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Speaker 3: Oregon game. But you can only do what you know.

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Speaker 3: You only play the team that's in front of you.

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Speaker 3: So we know that what he's able to do when

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Speaker 3: operating and confident both with his arm and with his

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Speaker 3: legs is magnificent. I see where you're coming from, though,

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Speaker 3: because his lows were I mean, there were games where

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Speaker 3: he didn't what how many I'm pulling up his stats

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Speaker 3: right now, So he doesn't complete fifty percent of his passes,

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Speaker 3: or he gets to fifty against Baylor, which was a

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Speaker 3: pretty horrific game, he gets to fifty ish against Oklahoma

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Speaker 3: State in a losing effort, which the second half was

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Speaker 3: kind of a nightmare, and then Iowa State was a

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Speaker 3: total nightmare, completely unwatchable offensive performance from Kayleb Williams in

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Speaker 3: the Oklahoma offense. I think, what you just you have

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Speaker 3: to roll the dice. If you know that you can

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Speaker 3: get something on the level of what he is in

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Speaker 3: terms of how special he can be, then it's worth

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Speaker 3: the effort. It's absolutely worth the effort. In saying he

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Speaker 3: was a freshman, these are difficult defenses to prepare against,

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Speaker 3: difficult defensive coordinators to prepare against, and he's a true

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Speaker 3: freshman once again, so he is worth it. But we

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Speaker 3: have seen another side. We have seen that other side struggle,

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Speaker 3: and he can be made to hesitate and force bad throws.

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Speaker 3: So I am not of the anointing variety, but I understand, like,

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Speaker 3: I think he's more human than the attention he's received

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Speaker 3: would have you indicate. But or I don't know, that's

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Speaker 3: not English. But I am ready to roll the dice

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Speaker 3: if I'm any of the teams that were chasing after

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Speaker 3: and needed a high level quarterback.

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Speaker 1: So I get it.

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Speaker 3: I definitely get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I'm playing Devil's advocate. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a good question, though.

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Speaker 1: I think he's a real deal, and I think that'll

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Speaker 1: bear itself out, especially as he moves west now to

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Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley and they pretty much construct the whole plane

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Speaker 1: out of Caleb Williams on offense, Like clearly he's going

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Speaker 1: to get his time to shine. I think he'll be great,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. Anytime so much tension is placed

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Speaker 1: on any one individual, you have to ask the question

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Speaker 1: is it.

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Speaker 3: Worth it USC's twenty twenty two schedule as we conclude

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Speaker 3: an Oklahoma episode. But if we're talking about Caleb Williams

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Speaker 3: and whatever he is or is not, and the attention

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Speaker 3: that he received or didn't receive, Rice at Stanford Fresno,

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Speaker 3: at Oregon State, Arizona State, Washington State, and then they're

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Speaker 3: at Utah October fifteenth before a bye week, and then

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Speaker 3: they finished with Arizona, Cal, Colorado, UCLA, and then of

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Speaker 3: course Notre Dame. So what I'm saying is sure, sure

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Speaker 3: he might have a couple clunkers in him in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty two, and sure the Utah defense should be sensational

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Speaker 3: and Notre Dame's defense should be very, very good by

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Speaker 3: the end of the year. But if he's merely a

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Speaker 3: good quarterback, gonna win a lot of games against those teams.

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Speaker 1: A good quarterback's got thirty eight hundred yards and like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: thirty five touchdowns against that schedule.

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Speaker 3: Right, and with Lincoln Riley, with obviously Mario Williams coming in,

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Speaker 3: and we'll see about the offensive line in front of him.

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Speaker 3: But he has, you know, Travis Dye next to him.

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Speaker 3: I don't think he's entering into a situation where he

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Speaker 3: needs to be at his absolute apex every week. He

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Speaker 3: just doesn't, more so than where he had to be

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Speaker 3: last year. So it's a good place to be.

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Speaker 1: Well, we thank Jason for his generosity with respect to

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Speaker 1: his time. We will make sure that we post all

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Speaker 1: the links that you can go and find and follow Jason.

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Speaker 1: I want to get more insight from him. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: find even more soliverbal goodness. But Daniel, I think that

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Speaker 1: does it for today. Yeah, man, onion burger in a

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Speaker 1: bad way. I'm starving. I am absolutely starving.

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Speaker 3: All right, that's it.

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Speaker 1: That's all I have for that guy over there, the

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Speaker 1: ravenous Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Hildenbrandt, and be back on Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Stay solid, Peace,