WEBVTT - Eco-Disasters 101: The Salton Sea

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff you

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<v Speaker 2>should know. It's a little bit of a jazzy Orth

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<v Speaker 2>Science edition.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, And I mean, we might as well

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<v Speaker 1>get into it because I just told Jerry the name

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<v Speaker 1>of this was Sultan Lake. And even though it's called

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<v Speaker 1>the Salton Sea, right, which is a it's an inland

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<v Speaker 1>lake in Imperial and Coachella Valleys and Riverside and Imperial

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<v Speaker 1>County in California, southern California. But and I said, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not really a sea, and you said it's an endless sea.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he said save it.

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<v Speaker 2>And said this is gold. I didn't say save it

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<v Speaker 2>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, I mean, I'm not gonna do my Josh impression.

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<v Speaker 2>You just did a really mean Josh impression.

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<v Speaker 1>Save it? No, no, no, I guess we need to

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<v Speaker 1>determine this. Why do they call it a sea?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's an inland sea. I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>just know that most people call it that. I failed

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<v Speaker 2>to go look up whether it is a sea or lake.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think it has any outlet to

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, No, not anymore. We're going to talk about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that makes it a lake, save it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's see, I nailed it. I think that's the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between a sea and a lake. I think a lake

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<v Speaker 1>has no outlet to the ocean and a sea does. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm not mistaken, I might be wrong about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't look it up.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think California has a lot of work to do.

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<v Speaker 2>They need to go rewrite all their pamphlets and update

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<v Speaker 2>their websites and all that stuff. It's now the Saltan Lake.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now all their pamphlets just say don't even bother

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<v Speaker 1>coming here, right to the Sultan Sea. That is not

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<v Speaker 1>a California.

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<v Speaker 2>I love California exactly. And the reason that they would

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<v Speaker 2>have pamphlets that say don't come here is because the

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<v Speaker 2>Salt and Sea is a genuine an ecological disaster. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>human made it every step of the way. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>got a really interesting history too. It's just a good

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<v Speaker 2>all around topic if you ask me. Plus, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a Soso movie starring Val Kilmer back in the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>late nineties or early two thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was early two thousands. It was okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>The extra supporting character was meth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was very messy. Yeah, I've been here, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, I was wondering that. Yeah. On on my

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<v Speaker 1>big out West trip many years ago after college, where

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<v Speaker 1>I spent several months driving around with my best friend Brett,

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<v Speaker 1>we went through the Salt and Sea and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>great back then. Imagine it's well, it sounds like it's

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<v Speaker 1>even worse now. But when did we talk about this before?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it desertification?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Maybe, because I know we've talked about that doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>ring a bell, but I mean so much.

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<v Speaker 1>So that I was convinced we did a whole upisode.

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<v Speaker 1>But it could have been one of our ill can

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<v Speaker 1>see videos that we used to do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's possible too, because I think I could see us

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<v Speaker 2>taking the angle that there were ghost towns there.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, okay, you know ghost towns there are.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of ghost towns there is. We'll see

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<v Speaker 2>the area was once quite developed, and for good reasons. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>as we'll see, people largely abandoned this area. But let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how the Salt and Sea even came to be,

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<v Speaker 2>because that is an interesting story in and of itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it totally is. It's in the Salton Basin and

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<v Speaker 1>that's Sa L t O N by the way, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is a very large trough, just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a natural geological trough that led into at one point

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<v Speaker 1>the Gulf of California. But it was there were other

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<v Speaker 1>seas before this sea or lakes, if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go that route.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. From the oldest I saw is that we have

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<v Speaker 2>geological evidence of inland seas or lakes depending on your definition,

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<v Speaker 2>going back at least forty thousand years, and that it

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<v Speaker 2>was almost cyclical. There'd be a lake that was there

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<v Speaker 2>for a few hundred years and it would dry up

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<v Speaker 2>or flow out to the Gulf of California, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it would happen again a couple centuries later. And the

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<v Speaker 2>thing that made it happen was the Colorado River, which

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<v Speaker 2>flows to the east along the border of California, Nevada

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<v Speaker 2>and California and Arizona down into I guess the Gulf

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<v Speaker 2>of California, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you asking me?

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<v Speaker 2>I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>So.

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<v Speaker 2>That would make the Colorado River a sea, but it

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<v Speaker 2>flows into there and every once in a while there's

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of snow melt, there's a lot of rain,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Colorado River will flood its bank so much

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<v Speaker 2>that a bunch of it gets diverted into the Saltan basin,

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<v Speaker 2>forming one of the salt and seas.

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<v Speaker 1>Over time, Yeah, for a while, Like you said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it could be there for a while, and eventually it's

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<v Speaker 1>on the middle of the desert, so eventually it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to evaporate, right. But as the river flowed in there,

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<v Speaker 1>it carried a lot of silts with it, and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>that silt gummed up the outlet so it couldn't get anywhere,

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a natural dam that was formed. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was, like you said, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>lake for a long time. Sometimes it was a saltwater lake.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes the heat would dry it out and evaporate it

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<v Speaker 1>and it would just become a dry bed once again.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was just kind of weird geological cyclelog I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure this has happened elsewhere, but it seems particularly

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<v Speaker 1>noteworthy for this area.

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<v Speaker 2>It does. It seems kind of unique, you know, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think so. There's also one of these lakes or seas.

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<v Speaker 2>You'll like this one because they call it a lake

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Kahuila, which formed about thirteen hundred years ago as

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<v Speaker 2>well as geologists can tell, and it stuck around for

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of years, possibly up into the fifteen hundreds, and

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<v Speaker 2>at one point in the fifteen hundreds it flooded, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was already there, and it grew to about twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six times the size of the Sultan Sea. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>which in and of itself that sounds pretty impressive. But

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<v Speaker 2>I came up with a few comparisons for some of

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners around the world. If I may sure, for

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<v Speaker 2>our Northern listeners, that is larger than the size of

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Erie.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>For our Canadian listeners, it's four times larger than the

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<v Speaker 2>capital city of Ottawa. For European listeners, that's larger than Belgium.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>In the UK, that's bigger than Wales. In Australia, that's

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<v Speaker 2>two times the greater Sydney metro area. And for our

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<v Speaker 2>friends in California, that's twenty six times the size of

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<v Speaker 2>the Sultan Sea.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, you did your homework, I did. Is there a

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<v Speaker 1>program to use, like just like Josh converts dot com?

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<v Speaker 2>There there are?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I make like twelve dollars a month on webed that's great. No,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's websites that says like they're called like the

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<v Speaker 2>size of or something like that. So usually it's type

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<v Speaker 2>it's been what's the size of ten thousand square miles?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is what that would be?

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<v Speaker 1>Is a landing page? Just a banana? Yeah, it starts

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<v Speaker 1>from there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well where did that come from? Using a banana

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<v Speaker 2>for scale?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I never I mean, who starts any

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<v Speaker 1>of these things?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I didn't know if it was something that you

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<v Speaker 2>had kind of brought up or something. Because I know

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. You should know. Army is crazy for that.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's just an internet thing, you know. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>Ron's doing all of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Get all Ron. He comes up with the best memes.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So that was the cycle for thousands of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Depositing that silt. One of the byproducts of that is

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<v Speaker 1>it made that soil very rich and stuff could really

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<v Speaker 1>grow on it if it rained ever, which it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was a problem, and irrigation's going to solve

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<v Speaker 1>that problem. So in the early nineteen hundreds, the Imperial

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<v Speaker 1>Canal was built to say, hey, let's divert some of

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<v Speaker 1>that Colorado River to so we can have drinking water,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we can irrigate this rich, rich soil that

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<v Speaker 1>lies beneath our feet. And they completed it, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty good, but that same silt is going

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<v Speaker 1>to keep clogging up even you know, kind of any

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<v Speaker 1>moving body of water, and that eventually happened to the canal,

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<v Speaker 1>like in a bad way, not too long after they opened.

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<v Speaker 2>It, No, just in a couple of years, and this

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<v Speaker 2>one clog was so bad that they were like, we're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to get rid of this anytime soon. So

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<v Speaker 2>they dug a bypass around it, you know, yeah, which

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense, it's smart, and they just expected it to

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<v Speaker 2>last like a couple of months until they cleaned that

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<v Speaker 2>silt deposit out and could go back to the original canal.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem was, because they thought it was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be temporary, they didn't install the proper headgates. Headgates control

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<v Speaker 2>the flow of water in a canal, so that means

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<v Speaker 2>that the water in that bypass was literally out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>Which was fine. They dug it well enough that under

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<v Speaker 2>normal circumstances, as the water was flowing normally, But the

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<v Speaker 2>year after they dug that bypass, it stayed around longer

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<v Speaker 2>than expected, and the year after there were some genuinely

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<v Speaker 2>abnormal circumstances that caused a huge problem for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it rained a lot, a big rainy season and

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<v Speaker 1>then you know, snow melt and the rockies can always

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<v Speaker 1>be a problem if it was extra, and that year

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<v Speaker 1>it was extra. Coinciding with those rains, the Colorado River

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<v Speaker 1>swoll up again and it, you know, did what water does.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes down river in a pretty impactful way and

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<v Speaker 1>really overwhelmed that temporary channel that they were using to

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<v Speaker 1>divert around the cloud Canal. It carved it. It just

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<v Speaker 1>made it bigger and deeper, and eventually it started overflowing

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<v Speaker 1>into that salt and sink and just became one big

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<v Speaker 1>body of water.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So essentially Colorado River decided I'll go this way instead,

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<v Speaker 2>So it actually changed its course from the the way

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<v Speaker 2>that it had been going for millennia to this way

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<v Speaker 2>directly into the salt and sea, and it started flowing

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<v Speaker 2>so fast that ninety thousand cubic feet of water per

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<v Speaker 2>second was flowing into the salt and sea. Right That

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<v Speaker 2>is the size of an Olympic sized pool. That much

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<v Speaker 2>water flowing in every second.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and for our friends in the north, that's an

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic size pool, right, and I'm not going to keep.

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<v Speaker 2>Going, Well, what about our friends who like McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I mean, if you did a big mac conversion,

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<v Speaker 1>that's really going the extra mile.

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<v Speaker 2>It is exactly two million, two hundred and ninety five thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>nine hundred and eighteen big macs all flowing into the

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<v Speaker 2>salt and sea per second.

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<v Speaker 1>So delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>It does seem delicious, But imagine them all kind of

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<v Speaker 2>flowing at once and smacking into another probably get kind

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<v Speaker 2>of gross.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, pretty gross. So, I mean that happened for a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years, and they tried to redirect the river.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a pretty expensive proposition. It was a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>frantic thing. The US government got involved, the Southern Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>Railroad got involved. They fully sealed it in nineteen oh seven.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's like what three years later, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>by that point it's too late. They're like, all, right, now,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a four hundred square mile inland sea or lake,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on who's podcasting many years from now, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. The way that they sealed it, the Union Pacific

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<v Speaker 2>Railroad because their lines were threatened. They're like, we better

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<v Speaker 2>do something because these government yokels have no idea what

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and so apparently it took two They built

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<v Speaker 2>a trestle across the river to install a dam made

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty fifty seven car loads of rock, two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty one car loads of gravel, and two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and three carloads of clay, all dumped into one spot

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<v Speaker 2>to finally fill that breach. That's what it took. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how big of a breach it was?

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<v Speaker 1>How many big banks A lot?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do that one. Sorry, it's okayoud we take

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<v Speaker 2>a break now?

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<v Speaker 1>Or is that a should we? It seems like a

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<v Speaker 1>good time for a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Sultan Sea is now there, the breach has

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<v Speaker 2>been sealed, and people are saying, what the heck are

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<v Speaker 2>we gonna do with this?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're gonna water ski eventually. So we'll come back

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<v Speaker 1>and talk about that right after.

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<v Speaker 2>This learning stuff from Josh stuff you shoult No.

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<v Speaker 1>Lately I've been learning some stop about insomnia or aluminia.

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<v Speaker 1>How about the one on border like disorder?

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<v Speaker 2>That are your order?

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<v Speaker 1>That one before?

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<v Speaker 2>But it was so nice, honest, Why except everybody listen.

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<v Speaker 1>Up shot, stop stop.

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<v Speaker 2>Stop.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So when we last left you, human experimentation

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<v Speaker 1>and sort of error and rain and snow melt caused

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<v Speaker 1>a four hundred square mile almost thirty five mile long

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<v Speaker 1>and fifteen mile wide, about thirty foot deep on average

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<v Speaker 1>lake to form in the middle of the California Desert

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<v Speaker 1>because it's where it was. Eventually, if humankind had not

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<v Speaker 1>intruded once again, it probably would have eventually just completely

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<v Speaker 1>evaporate like it had been doing for millennia. But like

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned, that, soil is good stuff. So they started

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<v Speaker 1>to build, you know, farmland out there and irrigate that land.

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<v Speaker 1>And what do you do when you irrigate stuff, You

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<v Speaker 1>got to have runoff. And so they're running this irrigation

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<v Speaker 1>water off into the lake, which basically it's like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we're putting at least as much water as you're evaporating,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>No, Yeah, that's right. So it stabilized the lake in Deafen,

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<v Speaker 2>just the agricultural run off. One of the other things

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<v Speaker 2>that the other impacts that this had because they started

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<v Speaker 2>doing that in the twenties, is that agricultural runoff as

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<v Speaker 2>chalk full of salt, which I didn't realize, but this

0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:15.959
<v Speaker 2>irrigation produces a lot of salt, and that stuff was

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<v Speaker 2>flowing right into the Saltan and it turned it salty. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw anywhere between one third or fifty percent more

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<v Speaker 2>salty than the Pacific Ocean. The salt and Sea has

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<v Speaker 2>become because of all that introduction. So it started freshwater,

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<v Speaker 2>and then because of agricultural runoff, it turned into a

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<v Speaker 2>salt water inland sea slash lake.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And because it's located along the Pacific Flyway,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a great migratory bird route, the birds are like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>this is great. Now there's water here. The locals were like,

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<v Speaker 1>we should put some fish in here, so they stocked

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<v Speaker 1>it with tilapia, a lot of tilapia and sportfish for

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<v Speaker 1>sport fishing, and of course that the birds love that

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<v Speaker 1>even more. So, all of a sudden, by the nineteen thirties,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a sort of a brand new wildlife refuge forming,

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<v Speaker 1>such that the US Fish and Wildlife Service even created

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<v Speaker 1>the Saltan Sea Wildlife Refuge to protect all the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that was there. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so when the Sultan Sea first formed, everybody's like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is actually kind of great. This is a mistake

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<v Speaker 2>that turned really wonderful for everybody. We turned river water

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<v Speaker 2>into lemonade. In other words, that's right. So there are

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<v Speaker 2>some other weird things that didn't make it, but that

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<v Speaker 2>were introduced flamingos, which I guess aren't that weird. But

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<v Speaker 2>a guy introduced sea lions too at one point, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were accused of stealing pigs in the area. But

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who introduced sea lions in flamingos, he had

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<v Speaker 2>a legendary restaurant out on an island in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of the Salton Sea called Mullet Island, which is actually

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<v Speaker 2>just sitting atop a dormant volcano. It's very important to

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<v Speaker 2>remember this for later. It's a dormant but not extinct volcano.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just kind of sitting there, chilling, waiting to go up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. And you know, once you have flamingos, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have people because people want to go see

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<v Speaker 1>this flamingos. So by the nineteen fifties, developers had come

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<v Speaker 1>along and turned it into what they called the California

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<v Speaker 1>Riviera or the Saltan Riviera or Palm Springs by the Sea,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's exactly what you think. It's tiki bars, it's

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<v Speaker 1>restaurants had a very Palm springsy vibe, like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Elvis performed there, Frank Sinatra performed there. They had you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't kidding about the water skiing. They people yachted,

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<v Speaker 1>people swam. It was just a big recreation area out

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<v Speaker 1>there in the middle of the desert in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>southern California. They were like, yeah, we'll take another one

0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.200
<v Speaker 1>of these. We got plenty of people around, right, and

0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Palm Springs gets a little crowded, So now we have

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<v Speaker 1>this beautiful Inland Sea Lake. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>People started building vacation homes there. There were very famous

0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:59.800
<v Speaker 2>speedboat races that were held there every year. At one

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<v Speaker 2>point point, some developers sunk two million dollars in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty money into building the North Shore Beach and Yacht Club,

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<v Speaker 2>which became basically the crown jewel of the Salton Sea area.

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<v Speaker 2>There were postcards that said greetings from the Salton Sea.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a Bombay Beach resident, Who's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to get postcards?

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<v Speaker 2>They had postcards?

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<v Speaker 1>Swear they did. They sell shotglasses.

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<v Speaker 2>I yes, there was a Spencer's Gifts on the Sultan

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<v Speaker 2>Sea in the sixties. All right, you could also get

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<v Speaker 2>a Bitch and Grateful Dead poster and a LaToya Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>and Lingerie poster.

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<v Speaker 1>Right is Shenna Lambeau.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's Garfield.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was this Bombay Beach resident, which is one

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<v Speaker 2>of the little party towns on the Saltan Sea, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's still there. There's something like three hundred and fifty

0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:52.840
<v Speaker 2>people that lived there. But he said, back in the

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<v Speaker 2>day it was like a spring Break party all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>The problem was the Salton Sea. As much fun as

0:17:59.400 --> 0:18:02.800
<v Speaker 2>people were having on it, it was this ticking environmental

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<v Speaker 2>time bomb just growing underneath their water skis essentially day

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<v Speaker 2>by day. And so finally in around the seventies it

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<v Speaker 2>became clear that the salt and seas glitz was starting

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<v Speaker 2>to weih off and there was rotten big max underneath.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know I thought you were going to lead

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<v Speaker 1>it in with when you said the problem is I

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<v Speaker 1>thought you were going to say, is it spring break

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<v Speaker 1>is not meant to last forever?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's a great one. Let's go back and edit

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<v Speaker 2>that in just a note. Okay, there'll be no context,

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<v Speaker 2>You'll just add it in and then we'll leave the

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<v Speaker 2>part where you suggested into I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, so yeah, things will go downhill pretty quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I hope we've hammered home enough that this

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<v Speaker 1>thing just sort of appeared because of people, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>out in the middle of the desert and it's not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed it wasn't supposed to be there really, so obviously

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<v Speaker 1>it's not going to rain, so that's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>fill that thing back up. They had that agricultural runoff

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<v Speaker 1>for many years, but as we'll see, that would end

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<v Speaker 1>up being a big part of the problem. Yeahments would flood,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because they were building, you know, lakeside properties

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff like that. So you know, whenever you try

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<v Speaker 1>to intrude I feel like and build a big natural

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<v Speaker 1>thing out where there probably wasn't supposed to be one.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, it usually goes south like this in

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<v Speaker 1>some way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it hubris. Yeah, So yeah, that runoff would sometimes

0:19:21.800 --> 0:19:23.840
<v Speaker 2>flood the lake. There'd be so much of it, and

0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.040
<v Speaker 2>those developments would flood. Like you were saying, the other

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<v Speaker 2>problem with the runoff is that it not just salt.

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<v Speaker 2>It brings lots of pesticides and fertilizers with it. And

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<v Speaker 2>remember that there was no outlet for this lake, which

0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:37.680
<v Speaker 2>made it a lake in the first place, so all

0:19:37.720 --> 0:19:41.520
<v Speaker 2>of this toxic water didn't have anywhere to go, right,

0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.159
<v Speaker 2>it just stayed in the lake. Yeah, And anytime you

0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:49.400
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of fertilizers introduced into a body of water,

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<v Speaker 2>especially a warm one, you get algae blooms. You also

0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:57.840
<v Speaker 2>get bacteria blooms. And when the algae decays, the microbes

0:19:57.840 --> 0:20:00.320
<v Speaker 2>that eat it also suck up a lot of the

0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.119
<v Speaker 2>oxygen in the water, and that kills off all the

0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.320
<v Speaker 2>stuff that needs that oxygen, So it creates dead zones.

0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:11.399
<v Speaker 2>And then even worse that bacteria that blooms, some kinds

0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.000
<v Speaker 2>of it actually produce toxins that can do things like

0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:20.320
<v Speaker 2>damage humans livers or their DNA or cause respiratory failure.

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<v Speaker 2>So all this stuff is starting to like happen in

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<v Speaker 2>the Sultan Sea starting in the seventies and eighties, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's just becoming clear that there's problems that are

0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:34.080
<v Speaker 2>starting to brew, like literally brewing within the salt and sea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's called utrification. And there are some pretty staggering

0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:41.119
<v Speaker 1>and very sad statistics that we're going to kind of

0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:43.440
<v Speaker 1>run through here as far as the die off, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the fish die off, and then eventually because

0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.600
<v Speaker 1>of the fish die off, the bird die off was

0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:54.040
<v Speaker 1>really massive. This one is fairly staggering. Just over a

0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:57.280
<v Speaker 1>five month period from December ninety one to April ninety two,

0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:01.760
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty thousand little small waterbirds are called

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<v Speaker 1>what are those eared grebs?

0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:05.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that? What was that? How we're pronouncing that?

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna say grevi's, but I think you nailed it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not really sure, but they're little small waterbirds. And

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty thousand them died over five months.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>On the Saltan Sea. Another twenty thousand and ninety four

0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:25.200
<v Speaker 1>ten thousand white and brown pelicans died out in nineteen

0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:29.120
<v Speaker 1>ninety six, about ten thousand other fish eating birds. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is the really sad one. Even though it was

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<v Speaker 1>I say, only a thousand, that's a lot, but they

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<v Speaker 1>were endangered brown pelicans and apparently that was the largest

0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:41.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of single die off of an endangered species to

0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:41.680
<v Speaker 1>ever happen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and all this is going down on the

0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Saltan Sea.

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<v Speaker 1>Or the Telapia. Man, how about that stat?

0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the most eye popping stat that I've found is

0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:56.399
<v Speaker 2>that eight million, eight million tilapia died in one single

0:21:56.520 --> 0:21:59.720
<v Speaker 2>day in August of nineteen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 1>How did they figure that, you know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>They must have counted one in like a square foot

0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.359
<v Speaker 2>and then multiplied it by a big mash or something.

0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by this case fish tacos. Maybe that was probably insensitive.

0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:17.400
<v Speaker 2>What fish tacos?

0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean this is good for I don't eat

0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:21.560
<v Speaker 1>telapia much, but it's pretty good for a fish taco.

0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Aren't they the rats of the sea?

0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so. I used to eat it more.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll eat tilapia. I'm not that fancy. Oh oh yeah, yeah,

0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll eat tilapia right in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll be dining on my Chilean sea bass or

0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>what was that something toothfish? Right?

0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Did I forgot Patagonia? That's the real name for sea bass,

0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 2>that's right, suckers. So yes, again, I think it's worth

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:53.439
<v Speaker 2>restating eight million tilapia died in a single day in

0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:57.080
<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety nine. The previous record before that had been

0:22:57.160 --> 0:23:00.800
<v Speaker 2>set the summer prior, and that was five hundred thousand

0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:03.200
<v Speaker 2>that died on a single day. So clearly things are

0:23:03.240 --> 0:23:06.960
<v Speaker 2>getting worse by the year. At the Sultan's Sea by

0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:09.000
<v Speaker 2>the time the nineties roll around.

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so I mean they were running incinerators around

0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the clock around town because you know, the smell of

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:18.960
<v Speaker 1>fish carcass was everywhere, and you had all these very

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:23.080
<v Speaker 1>sadly all these animal bodies all over the place. I

0:23:23.080 --> 0:23:25.880
<v Speaker 1>guess you could call them carcasses, but I'm gonna say bodies.

0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:30.639
<v Speaker 2>So there's another there's an explanation for this too, and

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:35.160
<v Speaker 2>it's actually pretty simple. In addition to those the eutrophication

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:39.199
<v Speaker 2>dead zones that are produced by those algae blooms, just

0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:44.040
<v Speaker 2>simple summertime heat and a really saline body of water

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.560
<v Speaker 2>can kill fish on mass. And that's exactly what was

0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:50.520
<v Speaker 2>going on as the salt and sea warmed, as summer

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.199
<v Speaker 2>started to kind of get going. And there's like one

0:23:53.280 --> 0:23:59.040
<v Speaker 2>hundred and five degree August temperatures hot water. Warm water

0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:03.960
<v Speaker 2>carry less oxygen than cooler water, and salt water carries

0:24:04.040 --> 0:24:07.280
<v Speaker 2>less oxygen than fresh water. So when you have warm,

0:24:07.400 --> 0:24:11.360
<v Speaker 2>briny water, fish can suffocate. And that's what was happening.

0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:14.680
<v Speaker 2>And so fish die offs are just an annual part

0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:17.120
<v Speaker 2>of life around the salt and sea.

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:20.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I mean not only that, it's just losing

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:24.600
<v Speaker 1>surface area. It's shrinking, so ten percent has been lost

0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 1>in recent years. They're projecting forty percent by twenty thirty.

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:31.399
<v Speaker 1>And when that's happening in a really salty area, and

0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 1>all those pesticides and metals and everything that have been

0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, deposited over the years due to the agriculture

0:24:37.040 --> 0:24:40.439
<v Speaker 1>all around, it just makes it more concentrated, and it's just,

0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a bad scene. It's getting just salty

0:24:43.840 --> 0:24:46.440
<v Speaker 1>air over the years, it's getting more you know, chalk

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:50.000
<v Speaker 1>full of more densely packed pesticides and things. And they're

0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:52.840
<v Speaker 1>saying that the salinity is probably going to increase another

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.399
<v Speaker 1>maybe three times in the next ten years, basically kind

0:24:56.440 --> 0:24:58.639
<v Speaker 1>of taking care of anything else that might still be

0:24:58.680 --> 0:24:59.160
<v Speaker 1>living there.

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Right, And just from the fact that it's shrinking too.

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I saw that there's houses that were built along the

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 2>shoreline back in the heyday that are now like a

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:14.160
<v Speaker 2>football field away from the shoreline. Now, that's how much

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:16.639
<v Speaker 2>it's shrunk, and they expect it's going to shrink another

0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:21.440
<v Speaker 2>forty percent by twenty thirty. So things are getting dire here, right,

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 2>And you can kind of imagine that as things started

0:25:24.520 --> 0:25:28.080
<v Speaker 2>to go downhill, tourism dropped off, and that happened exactly

0:25:28.160 --> 0:25:30.720
<v Speaker 2>as you'd think. That north Shore Beach and Yacht Club

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.480
<v Speaker 2>that was the Crown Jewel it closed down in nineteen

0:25:33.520 --> 0:25:37.480
<v Speaker 2>eighty four because there was a flood from agricultural runoff.

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:41.760
<v Speaker 2>And then I saw a really cool, eerie picture, Chuck.

0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:45.440
<v Speaker 2>There's a drive in movie theater again from back in

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 2>the day. It's in Bombay Beach and for some reason,

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.040
<v Speaker 2>the cars are all parked like they're there to see

0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 2>the movie, but they're all junked and abandoned, mostly missing wheels,

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.800
<v Speaker 2>and they're just they just got put like that, and

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:04.800
<v Speaker 2>it looks like everybody kind of left the Saltan Sea

0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>mid movie. It's really cool to see. I would strongly

0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 2>suggest looking up that picture. I don't remember where I

0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:11.399
<v Speaker 2>saw it.

0:26:12.119 --> 0:26:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll do you even better. There's a video on YouTube,

0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 1>because that's a very I mean, people aren't tourism wise,

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:23.159
<v Speaker 1>they're not flocking there, but people like me and people

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 1>that are the same kind of people go to like

0:26:25.320 --> 0:26:31.359
<v Speaker 1>abandoned roller coaster parks, amusement parks. We'll still go to

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.240
<v Speaker 1>the Sultan Sea to kind of check things out. And

0:26:34.720 --> 0:26:39.080
<v Speaker 1>one of these videos it's from the Gnarly Speed Shop,

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:41.520
<v Speaker 1>and I think if you just look up abandoned cars

0:26:41.520 --> 0:26:44.679
<v Speaker 1>that drive in on YouTube Gnarly speed Shop, they do

0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:47.240
<v Speaker 1>a cool video sort of walk through of the drive

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:51.040
<v Speaker 1>in and the surrounding area. There's this very like every

0:26:51.080 --> 0:26:53.359
<v Speaker 1>picture you see of this, there's a very kind of

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:57.040
<v Speaker 1>striking old orange Maverick car sitting in the front of

0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 1>frame because I guess it's kind of closest to the road,

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:02.359
<v Speaker 1>and there was graffiti on it and I could never

0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 1>tell what it said from the pictures, but on the

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:06.479
<v Speaker 1>video I was able to pause it and it says

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:08.920
<v Speaker 1>you infected me in a way I didn't know what

0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.879
<v Speaker 1>was possible, which is very creepy. I don't know if

0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 1>that was like a message to a long lost love

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 1>or if it was, you know, relating to the Saltan

0:27:17.119 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>Sea and what happened there. But it's pretty cool video.

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 1>And there were boats in the parking lot too, so

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:24.560
<v Speaker 1>I don't think like it just looks like everyone got

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>up in the middle of a movie. I think people

0:27:26.080 --> 0:27:28.520
<v Speaker 1>just like went and like park their cars in this

0:27:28.560 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 1>abandoned lot, is what happened?

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 2>Sure, sure, yeah, I know that they didn't do that.

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 2>It didn't happen that rapidly, but that's what it looks like.

0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 2>I think it's so cool.

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:38.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, think you thought I didn't think you thought that.

0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 2>So I remembered where I saw it, Chuck. I saw

0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:45.879
<v Speaker 2>it on a slide show on all that's interesting. Great, Okay,

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:48.280
<v Speaker 2>So do you want to take a second break and

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.840
<v Speaker 2>come back and talk about how it has gotten even

0:27:50.880 --> 0:27:52.400
<v Speaker 2>worse than what we've said so far?

0:27:52.960 --> 0:27:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's do it.

0:27:53.760 --> 0:28:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Okay, stuff you shout.

0:28:04.480 --> 0:28:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Lately, I've been learning some stop about in Saunia or Aluminia.

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 1>How about the one on border like sorder that or

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:22.639
<v Speaker 1>yacht border? Heard that one before, but it was so nice, Arnes,

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Why except nobody listen up? Stop stop stop?

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Chuck. So the Sultan Sea has really gone downhill,

0:28:42.040 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 2>there's no denying it. People have decamped from there, not

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.720
<v Speaker 2>just vacationers, but people who lived there too, just moved

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 2>away because it's gotten so gross. We didn't mention it.

0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:54.520
<v Speaker 2>But one of the things that happened, I think I

0:28:54.640 --> 0:28:58.600
<v Speaker 2>don't remember what year it was, there was a sulfur

0:28:58.680 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 2>dioxide cloud that wafted basically all across southern California all

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:08.640
<v Speaker 2>the way to Los Angeles and it stunk like rotten eggs,

0:29:08.840 --> 0:29:10.760
<v Speaker 2>and they traced it back to the Saltan Sea. It

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:13.160
<v Speaker 2>was all of the decomposition of all the muck, all

0:29:13.200 --> 0:29:16.360
<v Speaker 2>the dead fish, all the everything. It was so bad

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 2>that you could smell it all over southern California. So

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 2>this is the state of the Salton seasons. People are like,

0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.440
<v Speaker 2>we need to do something about this. And for years

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 2>and years, starting in the early late nineties early two thousands,

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 2>the idea was, let's just restore it to its former glory.

0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 2>And that idea became a non starter essentially for the

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 2>next couple decades because it's just a bad idea. You

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:46.200
<v Speaker 2>can't do it now, it's too late. But it took

0:29:46.240 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 2>a while for the California government to figure that out.

0:29:50.760 --> 0:29:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah there, we'll talk about a bunch of the stops

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>and starts over the years. In two thousand and three,

0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the water Districts of Southern California signed off That was

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.520
<v Speaker 1>this deal that they had been negotiating for years called

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the Quantification Settlement Agreement of QSA, And basically what they

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 1>were trying to get done was say, hey, let's once

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:16.080
<v Speaker 1>again take some of that Colorado River water and the

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 1>stuff that they had been using for irrigation is now

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 1>being redirected to like, you know, a lot of the

0:30:21.320 --> 0:30:23.480
<v Speaker 1>area was then built up into more urban areas in

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:26.320
<v Speaker 1>the Coachella Valley and like San Diego, and they're like, well,

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>we want that water now, and in exchange, those areas

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 1>would say, all right, now, what we're gonna do is

0:30:33.680 --> 0:30:36.760
<v Speaker 1>pay the farmers there a lot of money to upgrade

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:40.840
<v Speaker 1>their old equipment. It was really inefficient irrigation equipment. The

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:45.680
<v Speaker 1>newer versions won't have nearly as much waste water, and

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 1>so they're like, let's do a trade off here. We'll

0:30:49.200 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 1>pay you to upgrade your stuff and in return, you

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 1>give us a lot of the water that we need.

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Right. So, the problem as far as the Salton Sea

0:30:56.760 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 2>is concerned that agricultural runoff, remember was keeping it going. Yeah,

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:05.600
<v Speaker 2>So since there's less irrigation runoff, because these irrigation techniques

0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>have been vastly updated, there's no not really any agricultural

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 2>runoff coming and feeding the salt and sea any longer.

0:31:14.240 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 2>And part of that quantification settlement agreement was we need

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>to take some of this water that the Imperial Valley

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.960
<v Speaker 2>farmers used to use and feed it into the salt

0:31:25.000 --> 0:31:27.040
<v Speaker 2>and sea for fifteen years.

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:29.719
<v Speaker 2>They even paid the farmers to leave some of their

0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 2>land fallow so they could direct that water to the

0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Sultan Sea. In retrospect, that seems like total madness. They

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:41.440
<v Speaker 2>were essentially wasting all of that water, but it actually

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:43.360
<v Speaker 2>turned out to be pressy, and even though they didn't

0:31:43.400 --> 0:31:45.840
<v Speaker 2>quite realize that it was a good thing for there

0:31:45.920 --> 0:31:48.040
<v Speaker 2>to be water there until we figure out what to do.

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 1>It's sort of like leaving the water on in your

0:31:52.080 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>tub with the drain slightly open, yeah, and just being like,

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>we're just going to leave the tub water on for

0:31:58.040 --> 0:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>fifteen years so we can keep this body of water.

0:32:00.360 --> 0:32:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but your tub you got from an abandoned house, right,

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 2>and it had it has bath water that's one hundred

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 2>years old and full of pollutants and algae, and you're

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.040
<v Speaker 2>just running your water into it.

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's a horror movie tub.

0:32:14.920 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 2>It's a yes, exactly, that's exactly what it is.

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you might be asking, like, hey, if this

0:32:21.640 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 1>thing wasn't supposed to be there to begin with, if

0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 1>the whole idea of a body of water out in

0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 1>the middle of the desert like that is just going

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:30.600
<v Speaker 1>to dry up naturally, Like, just let it dry up naturally,

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and like, what's the big deal. One of the big

0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 1>deals is is that there's still a lot of biodiversity there.

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.720
<v Speaker 1>It's not like it killed everything. It seems like that

0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:43.360
<v Speaker 1>eventually might happen, But it's still a habitat. It's still

0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>a migratory stop for birds on that fly route, right,

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>And it's because you know, southern California has been developed

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.440
<v Speaker 1>so much, a lot of the other natural habitats for

0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>them have gone away. So the Salt and Sea was

0:32:57.080 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 1>as sad as it was was like an oasis for

0:32:59.640 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 1>them on right.

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is sad because if the salt and Sea

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.560
<v Speaker 2>is the more attractive option, because that's all that's left,

0:33:07.280 --> 0:33:10.640
<v Speaker 2>those poor birds are in trouble. It's not just the

0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>birds that are in trouble. There are people that still

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:16.000
<v Speaker 2>live around there. In fact, I was really surprised to

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 2>find the Salt and City, which I believe is the

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 2>biggest town along the Salt and Sea. It's on the

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 2>northwest shore. Their population actually increased since the twenty twenty

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.120
<v Speaker 2>census by almost one thousand people, which are like wow,

0:33:28.160 --> 0:33:31.040
<v Speaker 2>a thousand people who cares well, They were less than

0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:34.560
<v Speaker 2>six thousand in population at the time of the twenty

0:33:34.640 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty census, So people are moving there because the housing

0:33:37.440 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 2>is so affordable it's insane. So there's people. There's in

0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>the whole region, there's something like six hundred and fifty

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 2>thousand people, and all of those people are at tremendous

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 2>risk right now of a cornucopia of health hazards that

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.000
<v Speaker 2>are starting to develop because of the salt and sea

0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 2>evaporates more and more and more because off isn't sustaining

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:05.560
<v Speaker 2>it anymore, and it's so hot that exposed sea bed

0:34:05.680 --> 0:34:09.120
<v Speaker 2>or lake bed that's so chock full of toxins that

0:34:09.239 --> 0:34:12.320
<v Speaker 2>you can barely look at it is turning to dust

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>that's getting blown off into the surrounding areas and causing

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 2>all sorts of problems.

0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, asthma. They've already found an uptick in asthma. There's

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:27.520
<v Speaker 1>a doctor named Jill Johnson, a PhD who's an assistant

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:32.399
<v Speaker 1>professor of preventative medicine at Southern cal and she's working

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:34.840
<v Speaker 1>on a research project called the Saltan Sea in Children's

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 1>Health colon assessing Imperial Valley respiratory health and environment. In

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>the environment along with partner show Rey Farzan and other PhD.

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.760
<v Speaker 1>And they're basically following elementary school children in that area

0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:53.480
<v Speaker 1>and are seeing how their health is advancing and right

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>now pretty bad asthma rates and haven't proved causation yet,

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like it's probably.

0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently. They just like this month, published an article

0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:07.400
<v Speaker 2>on their findings from this in the American Journal of

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine. You know that rag. Yeah,

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.520
<v Speaker 2>And it basically is like this is, yes, this is

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 2>causing asthma at the very least in little kids. There's

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.919
<v Speaker 2>all sorts of other stuff to worry about too, because

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 2>there's metals, pesticides, DDT has been found in there. There's

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 2>just so much crud in there that now that it's

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.759
<v Speaker 2>drying up, is turning into dust and getting carried as

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.720
<v Speaker 2>particulate matter that you don't you don't want to breathe

0:35:34.800 --> 0:35:38.160
<v Speaker 2>that stuff in, and yet it's just blowing around because

0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:42.560
<v Speaker 2>again now that's turned into desert, but it's toxic desert.

0:35:43.640 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that's that's just like health issues. There's also

0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:52.080
<v Speaker 1>like a financial impact. There was a study about eleven

0:35:52.160 --> 0:35:55.800
<v Speaker 1>years ago or so from the Pacific Institute. They're a

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:59.840
<v Speaker 1>think tank in Oakland that deals with water policy, and

0:36:00.000 --> 0:36:01.839
<v Speaker 1>and they said the financial toll could be as much

0:36:01.840 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>as seventy billion dollars over the next thirty years, right,

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>like property values, like you said, going south, public health,

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:12.960
<v Speaker 1>which we've mentioned, the continued loss of recreational revenue and

0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:15.800
<v Speaker 1>natural habitat. So you know, there's a big financial burden.

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:19.720
<v Speaker 1>So you know, obviously because of that, California over the past,

0:36:19.880 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>like you know, twenty five years, has had various stops

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and starts with funding for different projects that will get

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>approved and then the money just gets diverted or never

0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>shows up.

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and especially before that twenty fourteen study from the

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Pacific Institute, people are like this, eight billion dollars seems

0:36:38.400 --> 0:36:42.359
<v Speaker 2>like a little much to restore the salt and Sea.

0:36:42.840 --> 0:36:46.279
<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons why is because the area that

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:48.880
<v Speaker 2>the Salton Sea is in, the people who live around

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:53.400
<v Speaker 2>it are fairly low income. It's a very rural area

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of the people who are affected live

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.719
<v Speaker 2>in Mexico, so back in Sacramento, the capital of California,

0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.919
<v Speaker 2>which is pretty far away from the Sultan Sea. Yeah,

0:37:03.000 --> 0:37:06.279
<v Speaker 2>the political will just hasn't been there. And one of

0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.400
<v Speaker 2>the things you could do if you were a senator,

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 2>a congress person, a governor, you could fully go after

0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.200
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of funds to save the Sultan Sea and

0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 2>remediate the area and get it back to its former glory.

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:23.320
<v Speaker 2>And then your legislature would say, no, we're not funding that.

0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:25.720
<v Speaker 2>You'd be like, oh, man, I tried. And that seems

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:29.000
<v Speaker 2>like what the pattern was for the first like about

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty ish years, maybe a little more than that that

0:37:31.600 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 2>people started coming up with ideas to do something about this.

0:37:36.000 --> 0:37:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Gray Davis, when he was governor in two thousand

0:37:38.320 --> 0:37:41.680
<v Speaker 1>and three assigned the Saltan Sea Record I'm sorry, Restoration

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:45.359
<v Speaker 1>Act and the Saltan Sea Restoration Fund, but that didn't

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>receive funding. So a fund without funding is not a fund. No,

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>just like a sea without an outlet as a lake. Right, yes, absolutely,

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>all right. In two thousand and seven, the Corp of Engineers,

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 1>the Army Corps Engineers, got authorization to spend up to

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:06.880
<v Speaker 1>thirty million on projects. The money was finally appropriated in

0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:11.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, and the Obama administration spent a couple of

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>hundred grand is all on a study, another study.

0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Even that was the thirty million, that's what it turned

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 2>out to be from what I can tell, it went

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 2>from thirty million dollars to two hundred thousand dollars and

0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 2>it was for another study. Isn't that crazy?

0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mean none of this, though, is going to

0:38:26.200 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>make any difference. I mean even a thirty million dollar thing,

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>or I think there was one plan. Yeah, a ten

0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 1>year Saltan sea plan to cost three hundred and eighty

0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 1>three million. But that's not even for restoration, because, like

0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 1>you said, that ship is sailed. It is a multi

0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:46.440
<v Speaker 1>multi billion dollar thing if they want to get this

0:38:46.760 --> 0:38:49.600
<v Speaker 1>thing back to the California riviera. So right, it doesn't

0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>seem like that's just ever going to happen. It's not empossible.

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 2>No, So now they're looking at restoring parts of it

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 2>to turn it back into wetlands for birds. Right, And

0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:02.280
<v Speaker 2>that ten year plan is estimated to cost three hundred

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 2>and eighty three million dollars.

0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Just to do that.

0:39:05.280 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it looked like it was just going to

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:11.759
<v Speaker 2>be another pie in the sky, a proposal that would

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:14.960
<v Speaker 2>never get funding. But California came up with something like

0:39:15.000 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 2>two hundred million dollars of that. They're under Devin Newsom.

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 2>In the last couple of years. It has been huge,

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:24.440
<v Speaker 2>crazy movements compared to what had been done in the

0:39:24.520 --> 0:39:27.359
<v Speaker 2>last couple of decades, and California came up with two

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>hundred million dollars out of nowhere. Mind bogglingly, the federal

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:35.080
<v Speaker 2>government chipped in another two hundred and forty million dollars

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.160
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and forty five So now this project that

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>needed three hundred and eighty three million has almost half

0:39:41.520 --> 0:39:44.680
<v Speaker 2>a billion. So not only are they now on the

0:39:44.800 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 2>salt and sea saying like, you know, when are we

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 2>ever going to be able to do anything about this too,

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 2>we can actually do more than we wanted to do

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:55.520
<v Speaker 2>in our ten year plan. The things are starting to

0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 2>pick up, and they're starting to restore wetlands, and it

0:39:59.280 --> 0:40:03.400
<v Speaker 2>actually looks like it's going to not be quite the

0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 2>ecological disaster that it would have been California just sat

0:40:06.760 --> 0:40:07.360
<v Speaker 2>on its hands.

0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think between twenty and three and twenty sixteen,

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:15.480
<v Speaker 1>just a few dozen acres of the wetland were restored.

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Since then about two thousand more, and the Species Conservation

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Habitat Project has a plan over the next decade to

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:28.480
<v Speaker 1>restore another nine thousand acres, so that'd be like roughly

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 1>twelve thousand acres of restoration, which is pretty good. They

0:40:33.200 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 1>also think that, you know, it's southern California, so it's

0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 1>a moneyed area in general, not that exact area, but

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>they're saying like, hey, we can like we've got this

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:45.439
<v Speaker 1>great land there that we can make money off. Still,

0:40:45.760 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>remember that Mullet Island that's on the dormant volcano. That

0:40:49.680 --> 0:40:53.759
<v Speaker 1>means there's some hotspots there, and so some people are saying, hey,

0:40:53.840 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>let's put a few billion dollars toward a geothermal electricity plant. Yeah,

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:01.120
<v Speaker 1>mine some lithium.

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I believe they're already building the plants there. And

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.000
<v Speaker 2>then the lithium. I don't know if they've actually started that,

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 2>but there's a lot of lithium there, and that is

0:41:10.680 --> 0:41:13.719
<v Speaker 2>like twenty first century gold because you use that in

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:17.360
<v Speaker 2>batteries for electric vehicles, for giant batteries to back up

0:41:17.440 --> 0:41:21.560
<v Speaker 2>your power grid. And there's a push and pull over

0:41:22.080 --> 0:41:24.080
<v Speaker 2>whether it's a lithium mine there, And of course they're

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:26.320
<v Speaker 2>going to end up lithium mining there because it's just

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:30.640
<v Speaker 2>so valuable. But some people are like, it's already an

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:34.320
<v Speaker 2>environmental catastrophe. Who cares if lithium mining makes it a

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:36.879
<v Speaker 2>little bit worse. It's better than mining in a more

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 2>pristine area and really screwing that up. Other people are like, no,

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:43.360
<v Speaker 2>we're trying to restore it. So lithium mining is gonna

0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.000
<v Speaker 2>not only undo that stuff, it's gonna make it even

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 2>worse than it was. But my money is definitely on

0:41:49.280 --> 0:41:50.400
<v Speaker 2>them lithium mining.

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, agreed.

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:55.640
<v Speaker 2>There's a couple other things that are noteworthy about the Sultancy.

0:41:55.880 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I guess we can leave that part that there's actually

0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:02.040
<v Speaker 2>hope for it right now. But along the way, like

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 2>you can imagine, such a bizarre place generated some really

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 2>interesting urban legends over the years, right, Oh yeah, some

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:13.160
<v Speaker 2>of them are actually true. The Navy used to use

0:42:13.239 --> 0:42:16.800
<v Speaker 2>the salt and sea to drop test bombs or dummy bombs,

0:42:17.200 --> 0:42:19.840
<v Speaker 2>to basically train their bomber pilots how to drop bombs,

0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:24.200
<v Speaker 2>and they actually supposedly practiced for the atomic bomb drops

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:27.919
<v Speaker 2>and they are so there's dummy bombs under the salt

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:30.399
<v Speaker 2>and sea still, and of course locals are like, that's

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 2>just a cover story. They actually lost an atomic bomb

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.359
<v Speaker 2>and that's what's hiding there. There's an undetonated atomic bomb

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.360
<v Speaker 2>under there. Now, there are a bunch of Navy planes

0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 2>that dig crash. I think eighteen flyers died over the years,

0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:47.040
<v Speaker 2>but there's twenty four planes sunken in the Salt and

0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:50.640
<v Speaker 2>Sea right now. And then there's this one really weird

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:55.520
<v Speaker 2>legend that predates the Salt and Sea. It's the Lost

0:42:55.560 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Ship of the Desert. Have you ever heard of that?

0:42:58.280 --> 0:42:58.800
<v Speaker 1>Never heard of it?

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a apparently this legendary lower that there was

0:43:03.680 --> 0:43:08.400
<v Speaker 2>anything from a Spanish galleon to a Viking ship that

0:43:08.640 --> 0:43:13.080
<v Speaker 2>sailed up the Gulf of California and eventually got stuck

0:43:13.760 --> 0:43:16.640
<v Speaker 2>and that turned into desert and the ship was swallowed up.

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.120
<v Speaker 2>And some people are saying it was actually in the

0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 2>Salt and Basin, which is now underneath the Salt and Sea.

0:43:23.600 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 2>So there's this whole idea that there's a Viking ship

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:27.239
<v Speaker 2>potentially under there too.

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, there's a great dive bar the ski In right, Yeah,

0:43:34.160 --> 0:43:35.759
<v Speaker 1>it's in that video they go to ski In and

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:38.759
<v Speaker 1>play creepy old piano and have some beer. Yeah.

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.240
<v Speaker 2>They call it the lowest dive bar in the Western

0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Hemisphere because it is two hundred and thirty seven feet

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:45.439
<v Speaker 2>below sea level.

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, right there at the I don't know

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>if they still call it Bombay Beach or if they

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:54.000
<v Speaker 1>took that name away. But Bombay non beach because of

0:43:54.040 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 1>beach without water is not a beach, right.

0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:00.120
<v Speaker 2>There's also it's attracted a lot of artists too, like

0:44:00.200 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>a slab city is essentially a taken over military installation.

0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:08.920
<v Speaker 2>There's a folk art installation called Salvation Mountain. There's another

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 2>whole like outdoor gallery called East Jesus, I believe is

0:44:13.560 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 2>what it's called. So there's a lot of art that's

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 2>being made there that's kind of turning it into a

0:44:20.800 --> 0:44:24.680
<v Speaker 2>really neat, weird, decrepit art place.

0:44:25.400 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Cool.

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you got anything else?

0:44:29.440 --> 0:44:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else?

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, let's it for the sull and see everybody

0:44:32.480 --> 0:44:33.919
<v Speaker 2>will have to keep an eye on it and see

0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:36.680
<v Speaker 2>what happens. And in the meantime, I think it's time

0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 2>for listener mail.

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, speaking of art, before I read listener mail, I

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 1>want to give a plug to dear old Ben, our

0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:51.160
<v Speaker 1>comrade here at stuff. You should know our colleague. He

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 1>is a producer along with Jerry, and Ben is a musician,

0:44:55.080 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 1>Ben Hackett, and he put out a great piece of art.

0:44:59.200 --> 0:45:01.640
<v Speaker 1>He put out a record called Songs for Sleeping Dogs,

0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 1>not too long ago. And Ben's awesome songs for Sleeping

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Dogs is great. It's this very vibey instrumental. I think

0:45:10.320 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 1>you dig it actually, and so yeah, go check it out,

0:45:14.880 --> 0:45:16.239
<v Speaker 1>yeah wherever you get music.

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Basically, yes, Ben is probably our most beloved stuff you

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:23.000
<v Speaker 2>should remember because he's just so cool and chill and nice.

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Whoa yeah you say that in front of Jerry. Okay,

0:45:29.160 --> 0:45:31.759
<v Speaker 1>all right, listener to mail time. We got a couple

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 1>of in the next couple of episodes on MTV VH

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:38.319
<v Speaker 1>one because we got great response. And it was also

0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:40.319
<v Speaker 1>another one of those weird things where we did an

0:45:40.360 --> 0:45:43.520
<v Speaker 1>episode and then something in real life happened, and we

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:46.520
<v Speaker 1>had no idea that when we did our MTV episode

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.359
<v Speaker 1>that like the next week MTV would fold. Basically, yeah,

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:52.480
<v Speaker 1>it's music channels. It was just one of those strange

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.279
<v Speaker 1>stuff you should know, things that happened sometimes I.

0:45:54.320 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Didn't quite understand, so like it was just its music channels.

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:00.839
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that it had any music channels left.

0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we talked about that, that there was

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:07.399
<v Speaker 1>still some music happening. Well, Jerry just buzzed in and said,

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.480
<v Speaker 1>it's just in Europe, So I don't know what to believe.

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:12.319
<v Speaker 2>Now, Well, they definitely did something and it was right

0:46:12.440 --> 0:46:14.160
<v Speaker 2>after our episode for sure.

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.839
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, so this is about MTV. Hey, guys,

0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:19.719
<v Speaker 1>hoping that you would touch on this, especially toward the

0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 1>end when Josh is talking about the social impacts of MTB.

0:46:23.160 --> 0:46:26.360
<v Speaker 1>But I'm talking about the MTV cut. Before MTV, the

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:29.239
<v Speaker 1>average shot in a film or television show lasted an

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:33.759
<v Speaker 1>average of eight seconds, and the MTV cut whittled that

0:46:33.880 --> 0:46:37.080
<v Speaker 1>down to two seconds. In College Circle two thousand, it

0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:39.600
<v Speaker 1>was called the MTB cut. Now the MTV cut is

0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:41.759
<v Speaker 1>the norm. You'd be hard pressed to find a show

0:46:41.800 --> 0:46:44.960
<v Speaker 1>that stays on one shot for eight seconds consistently anymore.

0:46:45.400 --> 0:46:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if people changed, or if the MTV cut

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:52.160
<v Speaker 1>changed people and the way we watch.

0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 2>I believe I'll bet that's one of those things where

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:56.560
<v Speaker 2>if you saw it now, you'd be like, wow, this

0:46:56.719 --> 0:46:59.879
<v Speaker 2>is really weird and not quite put your finger on why.

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:02.960
<v Speaker 2>But it'd just be almost unsettling to see a eight

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:04.040
<v Speaker 2>second cut.

0:47:05.120 --> 0:47:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Maybe. I mean, I remember people talking about like quickcut

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:09.960
<v Speaker 1>because of music videos, like it was a thing. That

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:14.560
<v Speaker 1>is from Chris Singleton, who is an ops manager for

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:16.400
<v Speaker 1>Independence Rock Media.

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:18.720
<v Speaker 2>Very nice, So Chris knows what they're talking about.

0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I think so well.

0:47:20.160 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, Chris. That was very interesting and we

0:47:22.480 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 2>want to hear from you too. If you've got anything

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:28.719
<v Speaker 2>interesting to say, you can eat you toob Yeah you can. Yes,

0:47:28.840 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 2>we want to hear from Bono and the Edge and

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:32.040
<v Speaker 2>the other guys.

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:37.320
<v Speaker 1>No, boy, what Madam and Larry come on, there you go.

0:47:37.480 --> 0:47:39.839
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I could have come up with those given

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 2>a couple of months, for sure.

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:41.719
<v Speaker 1>Sure.

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:44.680
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0:47:44.760 --> 0:47:48.200
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