WEBVTT - Dirty Dancing with Emily Ruskowski 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.560 On the Bell Cast. The questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.520 women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:11.959 What do they have? Individualism, the patriarchy ze and best 0:00:12.360 --> 0:00:16.720 start changing it with the Betel Cast. Hi, and welcome 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:21.079 to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin and we 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.600 are recording an intro for an episode that we did live. 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:29.320 We did a live episode for the Women in Comedy 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:34.159 Festival in Boston, Massachusetts at Improv Boston. It was so 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.600 much fun. This happened in late April. We had a 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:43.040 great time. It was our first live episode, which brings 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:49.240 us to why we're recording the intro in Los Angeles. Well, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:53.600 the audio quality turned out to be not super great, 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:56.640 So which are bad? We didn't check stuff and we 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:58.880 you know, we're learning. I would like to blame the 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:02.600 patriarchy we're learning, I would. Yeah. I'm triggered. Yeah, as 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:10.160 always I'm triggered, never not triggered, right acast great? Sure, Yeah, 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.200 So recording this little intro, We're gonna do some stuff 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:15.960 at the top, like reintroduce our guests and things like that. 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.800 But yeah, we apologize for the audio quality being not 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:23.160 super great. Fortunately, the best audio quality that came out 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:25.880 of it, which shout out to Caitlin for sifting through 0:01:25.959 --> 0:01:29.440 all the audio of us yelling, but our guests audio 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.800 came out pretty well, and so most of her sage 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.240 points remain intact. Indeed, also shout out to our producer 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:41.080 Aristotle for always giving us great audio quality. We didn't 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.480 know how good we had it until he was gone, 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:47.720 So true, that's how it always is. But thank you 0:01:47.760 --> 0:01:50.080 to the Women in Comedy Festival for letting us do it. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:53.280 Thank you to Improv Boston for having us, and thank 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:57.720 you to our guest Emily Riskowski, who is a good 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.360 friend of both of ours. She is a comic Boston. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.280 She's so funny. She's spent on two dub Queens. She 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:05.720 does shows all around the city. She's originally out of DC. 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:08.320 She's just she's a goddess. She's the best. We're so 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:12.080 happy we had. She brought us the movie Dirty Dancing. 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.600 And also we and I know we always say we're 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:17.040 gonna put it in the description, but we have a 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:19.200 great picture of the three of us for this one. 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.640 She brought us Dirty Dancing, and she dressed as Patrick Swayze. 0:02:24.080 --> 0:02:27.760 She dressed in all black CAUs played as Johnny Castle. 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:31.000 It was unbelievable, and she came out to the stage. 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:32.440 We called her up in the stage. We had no 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.880 idea this was happening. Came out to the stage carrying 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:38.600 a watermelon, which is a reference a movie. Yeah, she 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.320 was doing Baby and Johnny Castle at the same time. 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:46.400 She's that good. She's that good. We have to do 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.919 a little bit more of the I have to start 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.560 with the recap. The live episode picks up when I'm 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:57.000 like in the middle of the famous Okay cap. It's 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.920 so funny, Like we sound like garbage in the recording, 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.400 like pretty universally because we're always like and our guests 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.040 were very cool, very composed. Mostly I think I'm like 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.640 talked about Jerry Orbach in this episode. So you didn't 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:16.160 miss anything, you can confirm. Yeah. So Dirty Dancing is 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:20.480 a story about a character named Baby played by Jennifer Gray. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:24.000 She and her rich family go to a rich people camp. 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:28.040 Jerry Orbach is her father. They go to this summer 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.680 camp to learn about how to dance and how to 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.560 wear wigs and other things. Yeah, wigs outside, that's offensive, 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:40.160 wigs outside, wigs but like outside, Yeah, I love it. 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:43.600 Sold she's like, oh, I wanna. I want to hang 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.160 out with these cool people. They seem to be dancing. 0:03:46.200 --> 0:03:50.800 So there's a six sex Yes, the sexy poor. This 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.160 is a new this is it doesn't exist in the 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.560 real world, but it's prevalent in this camp. Fuckable poor. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.320 I'm glad you brought it up because it's it's an 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:04.440 important thing that we do address. So she's like, who 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:06.680 are these people who are dancing? All cool and they're 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.000 hot and they're poor because they're like the work staff. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:10.920 They're the teachers who teach the dance class and the 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:12.600 white stuff, all this stuff. She's like, I want to 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.760 get in with this group. And the main one, the 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:20.599 coolest one, is the king of the hot pores. His 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:25.560 name is Johnny Castle Baby, and he has a friend 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:30.080 named Penny. And Penny finds herself in a situation where 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.239 she is pregnant and she does not want to be 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.039 because she got pregnant by this character named Robbie who 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:40.120 was a piece of ship, not sexy or poor. Hey hey, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.520 So Baby's like, I want to help. I'm gonna help 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.720 with this. She's like, here, I'm gonna get some money 0:04:46.760 --> 0:04:50.440 for you. The thing is, though, there's a oh, the 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:58.039 traveling abortion is he's like a carnival guy. He comes around, 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:03.400 he tours nuns up, He's like Bruce Springsteen. He comes 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.800 to your town every so often and it gives you 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:11.880 an abortion. Is he good at abortions? No? But he 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.960 is the amazing Traveling Abortionists. But there's also some very 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.479 interesting context for that that we'll get into, which made 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.800 me feel bad for, you know, saying what I just did, 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:25.000 which is the traveling Abortionists in a fun way, and 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:28.080 then an audience, remember, gave us some incredible context and 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:29.479 now we can share it. But I also got to 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:34.000 do the thing. Yes, So so the thing is Johnny 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:37.320 and his like dancing partner Penny have this gig that 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.359 they have to do on a Thursday. But oh no, 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.679 that's the only day that the Traveling Abortionists comes to town. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:47.520 Crazy plot hole. So Penny goes off and gets her 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:53.120 traveling abortion. Meanwhile, Baby, they're like, well, someone suggests as 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.760 a joke, like what if you dance in her place? 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:58.200 What if you learn these dances? Baby? And she's like 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:04.200 a counsels like, no freaking way, I'm king poor, I 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:07.720 don't know dance with baby rich. But then it ends 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.760 up happening anyway because she's like, I'm going to prove myself. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.240 And then they start training. There's a bunch of training 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:19.320 montages and then this is pretty much where yes, that's 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:23.279 the longest training montage every all butts, so many butts, 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.000 equal opportunity to male female. We're looking at a lot 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.200 of butts. Love it, love it. Very horny movie too, 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.920 but no depth, no horny. Depth is now unfortunately horny. 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.800 Not a lot of depth, pretty surface horny. So that's 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.919 where we kind of pick up on the live episodes, 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:43.440 so we will transition into that. Please enjoy, Emily Riskowski, 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.880 you kind of dodged a bullet with all the your 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.640 Box Talk which is my new podcast, check it out 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:55.839 or rock Talk. Yeah, enjoy, enjoy. Then what happens surprised? 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:59.120 The traveling abortion is not too good? No, not too good. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.440 He he he messes it up. We're not told exactly how, 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:04.279 and that's probably for the bass, but it's like real bad. 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:06.120 So how they get to do the abortion is because 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.360 baby went to her dad and asked for the money. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:10.840 He lied to Jerry O. She lied to Jerry or 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.960 box one. Let's just take a moment. What do you 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:18.040 ever seen one or get You don't why the Jerry 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.720 or Back can get away in it? Well? Yeah, so 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:23.000 so yeah, she lies to her dad about because he 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:27.280 asked if it's illegal, and he is daddy. She gets 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:29.080 his to She calls him daddy the whole movie, So 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.280 there's that, but she al says Terry Orbank, so it's 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:38.320 like he's everyone's Daddy's every America's daddy. He's your daddy. 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.160 So Jerry or Back winds up paying for this abortion 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.720 and then he goes and finds out what his money 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.360 was for, and he freaks out and he, like everyone else, 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.600 assumes that Johnny's the one who got Penny pregnant. I 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.640 see why Jerry Orback was upset. No one communicates with him, 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:56.560 no one gives it to him straight. And if you've 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.920 seen him in line where he needs you to give 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.400 it to him straight, he's like, I couldn't know when 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:07.160 I'm wrong. Yeah, he band's baby from like hanging out 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.239 with him. So what does she do. She starts having 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.720 sex with Johnny Castle like immediately like that. The Carmine 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:14.960 is also weird in this movie because it's like we're 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.560 here at the beginning of the summer. They're training the waiters. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.720 The dance stuff just got here. But also Penny's already 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.320 pregnant by Robbie, So like when did that happen? A 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.320 whole summer passes. I would like to pay check a 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:31.520 little bit to the scene with the watermelon where Baby 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:35.520 meets Billy, who I love. Billy is Johnny Castle's cousin. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.440 We assume his names Billy Castle, but we don't know 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:42.880 for sure. But Billy needs a sweetheart and doesn't find love. Uh, 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.440 he doesn't deserve it because he's shorter than Johnny according 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:50.000 to God to nineteen sixties lodgeing, since he's either he 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:53.720 is unsuckable. Uh, but you know, he's also attended like 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.400 the rest of hell. He's a working class babe. Like that. 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:02.320 There's a whole camp. It's like like weird looking which 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:06.960 people and very hot port people, which is which is great. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:08.360 That's how I would like the whole world to be. 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:15.800 But so Billy says like, hey, I got these watermelons. 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.400 It's more articulate. I want to bring him into the 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.960 basement with me where everyone's fuck dancing, And then she 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:28.120 sees Johnny Castle and Penny dancing together, very sexually. They're 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:31.720 the best at fuck dancing and everyone knows it. And 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:37.240 then there's this moment where Baby asks Billy Castle or 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:39.840 aren't they together? And he's like, no, they were together 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.959 when they were kids, but not anymore. Immediately cut to 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:49.600 a shot of what looks like Patrick Swayzy, like going 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.160 down on Penny while holding her six ft in the air, 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:58.160 and Lan is and and Baby isn't like, are you sure? 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:04.040 Sus like there might be something there? How old is 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.559 Patrick Spazy in this movie? Oh? We telled all very 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.080 mus he's sucking a teenager? Or is it cute? Maybe 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:15.040 he's supposed to be like eighteen? Rights, probably he's actually thirty. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.280 He looks much older than her. Yeah, I couldn't get 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:22.520 hold he was supposed to be, which again, because I 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:24.680 want to be on Jerry or box side at every 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:26.960 point in this movie. Again, I'm just like, you know what, 0:10:27.200 --> 0:10:31.720 if a man of indeterminable age who I had already 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:36.600 known was a JIGGERO was pursuing my daughter, I too 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.920 would be like, hey, maybe not, you know so what 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.760 also we're so it all kind of culminates right there, 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:46.679 fucking everything's great, And then while it's start getting stolen 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.800 and they suspect that it is Johnny Castle. Baby comes rod, 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:56.040 she's like, we were together. He gets fired again. Is 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.880 it better to have stolen a wallet or had sex 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.000 a teenager? You know? Again? We eat that angel to 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:11.679 my mother like there's no winning friend. And then at 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:14.680 the end, Johnny comes back and he's like, I have 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.600 a speech to give and he gives it. It gives 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.320 that speech, and then before that he grabs Baby and 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.480 he says the famous line from the movie Nobody puts 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:26.840 Baby in a corner, and then he yanks her out 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.960 of the corner, which can exactly is it like literally, 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.719 because she's like sitting in a corner. She's literally in 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.720 a corner. And he's like that's not okay, And no 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:39.520 one's like why we just They're like, you're right and right, 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:43.040 there's a figurative corner. Is a literal corner? What does 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.079 he mean? I never understood this quote. She seemed to 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:50.480 be moved by it. I was openly crying. I love 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:55.679 the scene where Baby basically says, Okay, I've been sucking 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.640 the beefcake and Jerry roback and she's like, but you 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:02.720 suck too, and then Jerry about cries and you're just like, oh, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:09.439 he's so raw. Uh that or the aftermath is that 0:12:09.840 --> 0:12:13.320 kind of bothered me because then, uh, first of all, 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:17.000 Johnny has given like the big climactic speech at the end. 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.679 Baby isn't even though she's the main character. You think 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:22.000 she would have this like cathartic moment to be like, 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.000 I'm tired of well when I'm putting me in the 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:30.959 corner figuratively right as you will. She has a speech 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:35.000 she could give, we just never hear it, or she's 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.959 gonna say dad, not like to everybody in a big way, right, 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:42.960 And there was I mean, and again, it's like, I 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.440 never wanted to sound like we're cutting a movie slack 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:47.520 when they're not doing the right thing and they're not 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:50.079 doing right by their female characters. But this movie does 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:53.600 take place in nineteen sixty three, which sort of shifts 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.520 the context a little bit. The more I thought about 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:00.560 certain scenes where in ninete, I mean to me, it 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.520 was kind of impressive that parents were so on board 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:07.800 with both of their daughters going to college and like 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.080 really making careers for themselves, and and and and But 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:13.720 then on on the other hand, that they are actually 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.240 trying to Harry them off. But but I don't know, 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.719 and I I mean, we weren't. We weren't around O 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:24.520 carry I'm four years old, but I I don't know. 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:27.199 Putting it in context of the time it was supposed 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:29.840 to take place, even though it takes place in the sixties, 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.720 it feels a very seven movie. Like all the hair, 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:39.680 any outfits are that they're like besie and carry me 0:13:39.760 --> 0:13:44.920 not dead yet, So you're like, Okay, you know, I'm 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:46.960 telling you President Kennedy is not dead yet, so you 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.640 can be like, I mean, I can enjoy this now. 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.319 It was a simple time. It's important actually, So I 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:56.720 think the female characters in this movie are great, Like 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.560 I think they're really I think Yanny is awesome. I 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.280 think they like the main character is named after Francis Perkins, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.240 first woman in the Cabinet FDRs Labor secretary, Like that's 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.000 our main character. But then again they call her baby 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:13.439 like so the parts that you're like, I like that. 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.800 A lot of times Hollywood films, we'll be like, oh, 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.280 character is pregnant, Well, she's only got one option and 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.760 that's to have the baby. And the way the abortion 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:27.560 is approached in this movie is and it's not made 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:31.080 out to be the issue that a movie in nineteen 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:33.480 sixty three or eighty seven could have made it out 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.240 to be as this big like is it ethical to 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:39.760 do it? Like baby is immediately like, oh, we've gotta 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.920 get you money to get this abortion. And then when 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.520 Penny finds out, you know, like there's a moment of 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.800 back and forth, But the only reason there's a back 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.120 and forth or whether they she'll do it or not 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.640 is because her whole year's salary runs on one dance 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:56.760 gig has nothing to do with the ethics of abortion. 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.000 And I was, I mean, I hadn't seen this movie 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.240 in like ten years, and I will surprised that it 0:15:03.280 --> 0:15:06.960 will dealt with that maturely of like that didn't become 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:10.560 a focal point of it. Well, even when her dad 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.920 is criticizing what happened, it's not like there's no big 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:17.120 abortion is wrong, but you just like you're hanging around 0:15:17.160 --> 0:15:21.200 with unsavory people, primarily the guys. Because he doesn't seem 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.320 to be judgmental whatsoever towards Penny, and that he helps her. 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.080 He comes to check on her the next day. He 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.000 cares for her in a very kind way, but he 0:15:28.120 --> 0:15:30.840 thinks these guys, like he's like, these are unsavory people, 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:33.800 and that's what she has the conversation when she says 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:36.760 you let me down to that's sort of what she's 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.440 talking about is you taught me to help people into 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:43.160 care and you judged them without knowing them. So that's 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.400 where and I like that too. Again, there wasn't this 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.600 big like moral issue around the abortion. It was this 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.920 is something. This is their reality that Robbie has completely 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:55.080 removed himself from and that Penny now has to deal with. 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:58.360 Baby is gonna come and help her and Baby sense 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.600 his judgment on behalf of her add who helped very 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:04.480 much in Safe Paint. But she's angry with him that 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.000 he's looking down on people, and she's like, you taught 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:09.520 me not to be that person. You can't be that 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.040 person either. And Jerry knows when he's wrong. He does, 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:14.480 he admits it. He said he's wrong, he says he's wrong, 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.800 but he doesn't apologize to Baby then, and only does 0:16:17.840 --> 0:16:20.920 he Uh. The only time he like changes his mind 0:16:20.960 --> 0:16:23.760 about the whole thing is when was the name Robbie 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.280 is like, oh, thanks for helping out with the Penny thing. Uh, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.600 I was the one who it's only at that point 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:32.600 whenever Jerry's like, oh, well, if this rich boy is 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:37.640 telling me that what really happened, that's and I believe it. Well, 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.960 that's another tricky thing too, because it's like it is 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:43.520 his teenage daughter who he seems to trust throughout the 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.280 movie until he finds out that she has lied to him, 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.240 And it's like, I don't know. I mean, if you're 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:52.120 a parent and you find out your kid has lied 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:55.560 to you about one big thing, it's hard to be like, well, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.200 but probably everything else is the truth because I don't 0:16:58.240 --> 0:17:04.320 I mean, teenagers are big, dry liars, so I don't know, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:07.800 Like I could see that both ways. Even when he 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:10.440 said who's responsible for this girl? Like Penny's grown woman? 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:13.119 But I think he in the context of when it 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.000 was supposed to take place, he saw this woman who 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.919 was left because he said, you got her in trouble, 0:17:19.320 --> 0:17:22.159 Like you left this woman to deal with this by herself, 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.040 You sent her to this butcher. He's at the same 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.399 time get that nineteen sixty three mentality of like, you 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.240 take care of women and women can't really take care 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.639 of themselves. But he also encourages his daughters to be 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.919 more than that because Robbie tells him accidentally, he believes 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.160 rob because Robbie tells Robbie didn't mean to tell him, 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.879 because Robbie was like, I thought you knew, because he's like, hey, 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.320 thanks for dealing with it, and he I think, in 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:48.840 that moment, had that realization. Robbie thinks he and Dr 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.320 Housman are the same. Robbie thinks they're in this like 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.760 old boys club, like, hey, thanks for taking care of that. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:55.919 And Dr Housman is kind of yanked out of that, 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.160 and it's like, this guy is the piece of ship, 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.760 not the guy I thought, but everybody assumed. As far 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:06.040 as I think that his character is doing pretty well 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.240 given the era he is we're to believe he's living in, 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.320 and it's like, it's definitely not perfect, and there is. 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:15.359 I mean, I wouldn't say that he considers men and 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.560 women to be completely equal. It's pretty clearly that that 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.000 is not the case for him. But but as far 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:26.240 as nineteen sixty three, dealing with a teenage daughter who's 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:31.560 clearly intelligent and you know, fucking up as any teenager would, 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:38.520 but I never stake as a teenager have been having 0:18:38.520 --> 0:18:44.960 sex with Patrick Swayze and seeking like there's so there's 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:50.160 a conflict between Swayzey and Albak, which, first of all unhooked. 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:56.159 The whole reason that that problem arises is because when 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.520 Jerry Oba comes to see what's going on after Penny's 0:19:00.800 --> 0:19:04.480 traveling abortionist thing doesn't goal well. But when he he 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.679 goes to try to patch that situation up, he asked, yeah, like, 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:11.280 who's responsible for this girl, which is a vague question, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.800 and Patrick Sprayzy says me because he's her best friend 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.000 and sort of views himself as the one who looks 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:21.040 out for her, and had Patrick saysy at any point 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:24.320 just said that was what I meant when I said 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.000 that we could have saved an hour of conflict between 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:30.399 the two of them. I think one of the themes 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:33.720 of the movie is integrity and who hasn't who doesn't 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:35.879 And he sees robbed like you very clearly the villain 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:40.560 is the guy with no integrity who reads yeah, exactly right, 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:44.240 the guy with no integrity. And then the working class 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.240 people that everyone's looking down are the ones that have 0:19:46.280 --> 0:19:49.119 the integrity, like and part of the reason they didn't 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:53.119 tell everybody that it's Robbie is because it's Penny's private information, 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.680 and she didn't want anybody to know, so they didn't 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:57.760 tell anybody, even though it would have been so much easier. 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.560 That's why when Baby is encouraging he said to stay 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.639 away from Robbie and not have sex with him, she 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:06.280 doesn't say he knocked somebody up, because it's Penny's business. 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.800 And if Penny doesn't want anybody to know, nobody has 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.720 a right to tell anybody, even if it would make 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:15.399 everything so much easier. And that's why, like there's this 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:18.200 big sense of like right and wrong, they never wrap 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.399 abortion into that and be like abortion is wrong. So 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.119 I thought that was a great It's a movie that 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.320 deals with right and wrong and morality that doesn't put 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.879 that judgment on abortion, to which I thought was really interested. 0:20:27.960 --> 0:20:31.919 Were in such an easy choice to make. And another 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.080 thing about the very sexy poor that we have in 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:41.160 this movie is that they, unlike the you know, looking rich, 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.120 with the exception of Jerry Roback, is that the very 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.720 sexy poor all have a lot of respect for each 0:20:48.720 --> 0:20:52.000 other and and treat each other way more fairly than 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:56.679 the upper echelon people do, where Patrick Swayzy and Penny, 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:59.640 and even even though I'm like, what is I get? Like, 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:02.879 there's a lot of positive male female friendships, but he 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:05.880 is almost evening her pill see like seven different times 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:09.120 in this movie, and it's like both friends. I was like, Okay, 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:10.920 I like that they did that. I agree with that, 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:14.080 but I like that they did that, that her character 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:18.000 exists not as anyone's romantic interest, Like there's a female 0:21:18.080 --> 0:21:21.800 character who's not the main character who exists in these 0:21:21.960 --> 0:21:24.440 like she forms this bond with Baby where they're clearly 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:26.840 women who have nothing in common at the beginning, and 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:28.679 Baby when Baby comes up to her and says, I 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.760 envy you. And Penny had just watched Robbie hitting on Lisa. 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.920 She's pregnant, she got kicked out of her house at sixteen, 0:21:36.400 --> 0:21:39.040 and she like her life is a ship show. And 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.880 this doctor's daughter, rich girl who's at a summer resort 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.719 is saying, I envy you. Like that's where they start, 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:48.719 and I think they come so far as to this 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.960 place of like mutual respect for one another. And I 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:54.560 also like that when Johnny gives his speech at the end, 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:57.879 I don't think anybody mentions Baby's appearance in the movie 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:01.000 like at all, Like Johnny never says, you look like 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:03.119 He's like, this is why I love her. He doesn't, 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:07.240 You're so beautiful. He like, she has integrity, and she's smart, 0:22:07.359 --> 0:22:11.480 and she's brave, and she helps people and she inspires 0:22:11.480 --> 0:22:13.480 me to be a better person because she's such a 0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.399 good person. Oh, I wanted to talk about the scene. 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.600 One of those scenes that does pass the BECTO test 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:24.879 is between Baby and Penny on the Thursday, which is 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.800 the only day to traveling abortionists can come. Uh and 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:29.920 and it's also when when Baby is about to do 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:34.199 the one show that everyone's income depends on. They have 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:37.240 this scene together that's that I thought was really nice 0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:41.720 to a certain point where Penny is helping Baby get 0:22:41.760 --> 0:22:45.000 ready and they're talking about dancing and Baby is nervous, 0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:49.040 and then Penny the scene andy Penny saying I'm scared 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.639 to get an abortion, which apparently she should be this 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:55.480 traveling abortion this is not very good. But before that 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.240 she says a Penny like, I just want you to 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:01.920 know I don't really ape around, And I thought that 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.760 Robbie really loved me. And that doesn't seem like super 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:11.000