1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast. The questions asked if movies have 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: What do they have? Individualism, the patriarchy ze and best 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: start changing it with the Betel Cast. Hi, and welcome 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin and we 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: are recording an intro for an episode that we did live. 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: We did a live episode for the Women in Comedy 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: Festival in Boston, Massachusetts at Improv Boston. It was so 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 1: much fun. This happened in late April. We had a 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: great time. It was our first live episode, which brings 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: us to why we're recording the intro in Los Angeles. Well, 12 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: the audio quality turned out to be not super great, 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 1: So which are bad? We didn't check stuff and we 14 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: you know, we're learning. I would like to blame the 15 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: patriarchy we're learning, I would. Yeah. I'm triggered. Yeah, as 16 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: always I'm triggered, never not triggered, right acast great? Sure, Yeah, 17 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: So recording this little intro, We're gonna do some stuff 18 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: at the top, like reintroduce our guests and things like that. 19 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: But yeah, we apologize for the audio quality being not 20 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: super great. Fortunately, the best audio quality that came out 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 1: of it, which shout out to Caitlin for sifting through 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: all the audio of us yelling, but our guests audio 23 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: came out pretty well, and so most of her sage 24 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: points remain intact. Indeed, also shout out to our producer 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: Aristotle for always giving us great audio quality. We didn't 26 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: know how good we had it until he was gone, 27 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: So true, that's how it always is. But thank you 28 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: to the Women in Comedy Festival for letting us do it. 29 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: Thank you to Improv Boston for having us, and thank 30 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: you to our guest Emily Riskowski, who is a good 31 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: friend of both of ours. She is a comic Boston. 32 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: She's so funny. She's spent on two dub Queens. She 33 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: does shows all around the city. She's originally out of DC. 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: She's just she's a goddess. She's the best. We're so 35 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: happy we had. She brought us the movie Dirty Dancing. 36 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: And also we and I know we always say we're 37 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: gonna put it in the description, but we have a 38 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: great picture of the three of us for this one. 39 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: She brought us Dirty Dancing, and she dressed as Patrick Swayze. 40 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: She dressed in all black CAUs played as Johnny Castle. 41 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: It was unbelievable, and she came out to the stage. 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: We called her up in the stage. We had no 43 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: idea this was happening. Came out to the stage carrying 44 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: a watermelon, which is a reference a movie. Yeah, she 45 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: was doing Baby and Johnny Castle at the same time. 46 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: She's that good. She's that good. We have to do 47 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 1: a little bit more of the I have to start 48 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: with the recap. The live episode picks up when I'm 49 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: like in the middle of the famous Okay cap. It's 50 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: so funny, Like we sound like garbage in the recording, 51 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: like pretty universally because we're always like and our guests 52 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: were very cool, very composed. Mostly I think I'm like 53 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: talked about Jerry Orbach in this episode. So you didn't 54 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: miss anything, you can confirm. Yeah. So Dirty Dancing is 55 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: a story about a character named Baby played by Jennifer Gray. 56 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: She and her rich family go to a rich people camp. 57 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Orbach is her father. They go to this summer 58 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: camp to learn about how to dance and how to 59 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: wear wigs and other things. Yeah, wigs outside, that's offensive, 60 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: wigs outside, wigs but like outside, Yeah, I love it. 61 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: Sold she's like, oh, I wanna. I want to hang 62 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: out with these cool people. They seem to be dancing. 63 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: So there's a six sex Yes, the sexy poor. This 64 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: is a new this is it doesn't exist in the 65 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: real world, but it's prevalent in this camp. Fuckable poor. 66 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought it up because it's it's an 67 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: important thing that we do address. So she's like, who 68 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: are these people who are dancing? All cool and they're 69 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: hot and they're poor because they're like the work staff. 70 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: They're the teachers who teach the dance class and the 71 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: white stuff, all this stuff. She's like, I want to 72 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 1: get in with this group. And the main one, the 73 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: coolest one, is the king of the hot pores. His 74 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: name is Johnny Castle Baby, and he has a friend 75 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: named Penny. And Penny finds herself in a situation where 76 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,239 Speaker 1: she is pregnant and she does not want to be 77 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 1: because she got pregnant by this character named Robbie who 78 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: was a piece of ship, not sexy or poor. Hey hey, 79 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: So Baby's like, I want to help. I'm gonna help 80 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: with this. She's like, here, I'm gonna get some money 81 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: for you. The thing is, though, there's a oh, the 82 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: traveling abortion is he's like a carnival guy. He comes around, 83 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: he tours nuns up, He's like Bruce Springsteen. He comes 84 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: to your town every so often and it gives you 85 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: an abortion. Is he good at abortions? No? But he 86 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: is the amazing Traveling Abortionists. But there's also some very 87 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: interesting context for that that we'll get into, which made 88 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: me feel bad for, you know, saying what I just did, 89 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: which is the traveling Abortionists in a fun way, and 90 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 1: then an audience, remember, gave us some incredible context and 91 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: now we can share it. But I also got to 92 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: do the thing. Yes, So so the thing is Johnny 93 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: and his like dancing partner Penny have this gig that 94 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,359 Speaker 1: they have to do on a Thursday. But oh no, 95 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 1: that's the only day that the Traveling Abortionists comes to town. 96 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: Crazy plot hole. So Penny goes off and gets her 97 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: traveling abortion. Meanwhile, Baby, they're like, well, someone suggests as 98 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: a joke, like what if you dance in her place? 99 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: What if you learn these dances? Baby? And she's like 100 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: a counsels like, no freaking way, I'm king poor, I 101 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: don't know dance with baby rich. But then it ends 102 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: up happening anyway because she's like, I'm going to prove myself. 103 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: And then they start training. There's a bunch of training 104 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: montages and then this is pretty much where yes, that's 105 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: the longest training montage every all butts, so many butts, 106 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: equal opportunity to male female. We're looking at a lot 107 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: of butts. Love it, love it. Very horny movie too, 108 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: but no depth, no horny. Depth is now unfortunately horny. 109 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: Not a lot of depth, pretty surface horny. So that's 110 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 1: where we kind of pick up on the live episodes, 111 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: so we will transition into that. Please enjoy, Emily Riskowski, 112 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: you kind of dodged a bullet with all the your 113 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: Box Talk which is my new podcast, check it out 114 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: or rock Talk. Yeah, enjoy, enjoy. Then what happens surprised? 115 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: The traveling abortion is not too good? No, not too good. 116 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: He he he messes it up. We're not told exactly how, 117 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 1: and that's probably for the bass, but it's like real bad. 118 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: So how they get to do the abortion is because 119 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: baby went to her dad and asked for the money. 120 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 1: He lied to Jerry O. She lied to Jerry or 121 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: box one. Let's just take a moment. What do you 122 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: ever seen one or get You don't why the Jerry 123 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: or Back can get away in it? Well? Yeah, so 124 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: so yeah, she lies to her dad about because he 125 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: asked if it's illegal, and he is daddy. She gets 126 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: his to She calls him daddy the whole movie, So 127 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: there's that, but she al says Terry Orbank, so it's 128 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: like he's everyone's Daddy's every America's daddy. He's your daddy. 129 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: So Jerry or Back winds up paying for this abortion 130 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: and then he goes and finds out what his money 131 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: was for, and he freaks out and he, like everyone else, 132 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: assumes that Johnny's the one who got Penny pregnant. I 133 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: see why Jerry Orback was upset. No one communicates with him, 134 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: no one gives it to him straight. And if you've 135 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: seen him in line where he needs you to give 136 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: it to him straight, he's like, I couldn't know when 137 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Yeah, he band's baby from like hanging out 138 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 1: with him. So what does she do. She starts having 139 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: sex with Johnny Castle like immediately like that. The Carmine 140 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: is also weird in this movie because it's like we're 141 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: here at the beginning of the summer. They're training the waiters. 142 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: The dance stuff just got here. But also Penny's already 143 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: pregnant by Robbie, So like when did that happen? A 144 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: whole summer passes. I would like to pay check a 145 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: little bit to the scene with the watermelon where Baby 146 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: meets Billy, who I love. Billy is Johnny Castle's cousin. 147 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: We assume his names Billy Castle, but we don't know 148 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: for sure. But Billy needs a sweetheart and doesn't find love. Uh, 149 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: he doesn't deserve it because he's shorter than Johnny according 150 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: to God to nineteen sixties lodgeing, since he's either he 151 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: is unsuckable. Uh, but you know, he's also attended like 152 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: the rest of hell. He's a working class babe. Like that. 153 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: There's a whole camp. It's like like weird looking which 154 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: people and very hot port people, which is which is great. 155 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: That's how I would like the whole world to be. 156 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: But so Billy says like, hey, I got these watermelons. 157 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: It's more articulate. I want to bring him into the 158 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 1: basement with me where everyone's fuck dancing, And then she 159 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: sees Johnny Castle and Penny dancing together, very sexually. They're 160 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: the best at fuck dancing and everyone knows it. And 161 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: then there's this moment where Baby asks Billy Castle or 162 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: aren't they together? And he's like, no, they were together 163 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: when they were kids, but not anymore. Immediately cut to 164 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 1: a shot of what looks like Patrick Swayzy, like going 165 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: down on Penny while holding her six ft in the air, 166 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: and Lan is and and Baby isn't like, are you sure? 167 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: Sus like there might be something there? How old is 168 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,559 Speaker 1: Patrick Spazy in this movie? Oh? We telled all very 169 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: mus he's sucking a teenager? Or is it cute? Maybe 170 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: he's supposed to be like eighteen? Rights, probably he's actually thirty. 171 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: He looks much older than her. Yeah, I couldn't get 172 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: hold he was supposed to be, which again, because I 173 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: want to be on Jerry or box side at every 174 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: point in this movie. Again, I'm just like, you know what, 175 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: if a man of indeterminable age who I had already 176 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: known was a JIGGERO was pursuing my daughter, I too 177 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: would be like, hey, maybe not, you know so what 178 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: also we're so it all kind of culminates right there, 179 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: fucking everything's great, And then while it's start getting stolen 180 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: and they suspect that it is Johnny Castle. Baby comes rod, 181 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: she's like, we were together. He gets fired again. Is 182 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: it better to have stolen a wallet or had sex 183 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: a teenager? You know? Again? We eat that angel to 184 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 1: my mother like there's no winning friend. And then at 185 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: the end, Johnny comes back and he's like, I have 186 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: a speech to give and he gives it. It gives 187 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: that speech, and then before that he grabs Baby and 188 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: he says the famous line from the movie Nobody puts 189 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: Baby in a corner, and then he yanks her out 190 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: of the corner, which can exactly is it like literally, 191 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 1: because she's like sitting in a corner. She's literally in 192 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 1: a corner. And he's like that's not okay, And no 193 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: one's like why we just They're like, you're right and right, 194 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: there's a figurative corner. Is a literal corner? What does 195 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: he mean? I never understood this quote. She seemed to 196 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: be moved by it. I was openly crying. I love 197 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: the scene where Baby basically says, Okay, I've been sucking 198 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: the beefcake and Jerry roback and she's like, but you 199 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: suck too, and then Jerry about cries and you're just like, oh, 200 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: he's so raw. Uh that or the aftermath is that 201 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: kind of bothered me because then, uh, first of all, 202 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: Johnny has given like the big climactic speech at the end. 203 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: Baby isn't even though she's the main character. You think 204 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: she would have this like cathartic moment to be like, 205 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm tired of well when I'm putting me in the 206 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: corner figuratively right as you will. She has a speech 207 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: she could give, we just never hear it, or she's 208 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: gonna say dad, not like to everybody in a big way, right, 209 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: And there was I mean, and again, it's like, I 210 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: never wanted to sound like we're cutting a movie slack 211 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: when they're not doing the right thing and they're not 212 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: doing right by their female characters. But this movie does 213 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: take place in nineteen sixty three, which sort of shifts 214 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: the context a little bit. The more I thought about 215 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: certain scenes where in ninete, I mean to me, it 216 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: was kind of impressive that parents were so on board 217 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: with both of their daughters going to college and like 218 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: really making careers for themselves, and and and and But 219 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: then on on the other hand, that they are actually 220 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: trying to Harry them off. But but I don't know, 221 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:19,719 Speaker 1: and I I mean, we weren't. We weren't around O 222 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: carry I'm four years old, but I I don't know. 223 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: Putting it in context of the time it was supposed 224 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: to take place, even though it takes place in the sixties, 225 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 1: it feels a very seven movie. Like all the hair, 226 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: any outfits are that they're like besie and carry me 227 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: not dead yet, So you're like, Okay, you know, I'm 228 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: telling you President Kennedy is not dead yet, so you 229 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: can be like, I mean, I can enjoy this now. 230 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: It was a simple time. It's important actually, So I 231 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: think the female characters in this movie are great, Like 232 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 1: I think they're really I think Yanny is awesome. I 233 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 1: think they like the main character is named after Francis Perkins, 234 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: first woman in the Cabinet FDRs Labor secretary, Like that's 235 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: our main character. But then again they call her baby 236 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: like so the parts that you're like, I like that. 237 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: A lot of times Hollywood films, we'll be like, oh, 238 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: character is pregnant, Well, she's only got one option and 239 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: that's to have the baby. And the way the abortion 240 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: is approached in this movie is and it's not made 241 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: out to be the issue that a movie in nineteen 242 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: sixty three or eighty seven could have made it out 243 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 1: to be as this big like is it ethical to 244 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: do it? Like baby is immediately like, oh, we've gotta 245 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: get you money to get this abortion. And then when 246 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 1: Penny finds out, you know, like there's a moment of 247 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: back and forth, But the only reason there's a back 248 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: and forth or whether they she'll do it or not 249 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: is because her whole year's salary runs on one dance 250 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: gig has nothing to do with the ethics of abortion. 251 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: And I was, I mean, I hadn't seen this movie 252 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: in like ten years, and I will surprised that it 253 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: will dealt with that maturely of like that didn't become 254 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: a focal point of it. Well, even when her dad 255 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: is criticizing what happened, it's not like there's no big 256 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: abortion is wrong, but you just like you're hanging around 257 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: with unsavory people, primarily the guys. Because he doesn't seem 258 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: to be judgmental whatsoever towards Penny, and that he helps her. 259 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: He comes to check on her the next day. He 260 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: cares for her in a very kind way, but he 261 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: thinks these guys, like he's like, these are unsavory people, 262 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: and that's what she has the conversation when she says 263 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: you let me down to that's sort of what she's 264 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: talking about is you taught me to help people into 265 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 1: care and you judged them without knowing them. So that's 266 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: where and I like that too. Again, there wasn't this 267 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: big like moral issue around the abortion. It was this 268 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: is something. This is their reality that Robbie has completely 269 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: removed himself from and that Penny now has to deal with. 270 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: Baby is gonna come and help her and Baby sense 271 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: his judgment on behalf of her add who helped very 272 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: much in Safe Paint. But she's angry with him that 273 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: he's looking down on people, and she's like, you taught 274 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: me not to be that person. You can't be that 275 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: person either. And Jerry knows when he's wrong. He does, 276 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: he admits it. He said he's wrong, he says he's wrong, 277 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: but he doesn't apologize to Baby then, and only does 278 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: he Uh. The only time he like changes his mind 279 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 1: about the whole thing is when was the name Robbie 280 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: is like, oh, thanks for helping out with the Penny thing. Uh, 281 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: I was the one who it's only at that point 282 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: whenever Jerry's like, oh, well, if this rich boy is 283 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: telling me that what really happened, that's and I believe it. Well, 284 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: that's another tricky thing too, because it's like it is 285 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: his teenage daughter who he seems to trust throughout the 286 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: movie until he finds out that she has lied to him, 287 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: And it's like, I don't know. I mean, if you're 288 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: a parent and you find out your kid has lied 289 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: to you about one big thing, it's hard to be like, well, 290 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: but probably everything else is the truth because I don't 291 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: I mean, teenagers are big, dry liars, so I don't know, 292 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: Like I could see that both ways. Even when he 293 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: said who's responsible for this girl? Like Penny's grown woman? 294 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: But I think he in the context of when it 295 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: was supposed to take place, he saw this woman who 296 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: was left because he said, you got her in trouble, 297 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: Like you left this woman to deal with this by herself, 298 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 1: You sent her to this butcher. He's at the same 299 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: time get that nineteen sixty three mentality of like, you 300 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: take care of women and women can't really take care 301 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: of themselves. But he also encourages his daughters to be 302 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: more than that because Robbie tells him accidentally, he believes 303 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: rob because Robbie tells Robbie didn't mean to tell him, 304 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: because Robbie was like, I thought you knew, because he's like, hey, 305 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: thanks for dealing with it, and he I think, in 306 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: that moment, had that realization. Robbie thinks he and Dr 307 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: Housman are the same. Robbie thinks they're in this like 308 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: old boys club, like, hey, thanks for taking care of that. 309 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: And Dr Housman is kind of yanked out of that, 310 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: and it's like, this guy is the piece of ship, 311 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 1: not the guy I thought, but everybody assumed. As far 312 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: as I think that his character is doing pretty well 313 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: given the era he is we're to believe he's living in, 314 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: and it's like, it's definitely not perfect, and there is. 315 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't say that he considers men and 316 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: women to be completely equal. It's pretty clearly that that 317 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: is not the case for him. But but as far 318 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: as nineteen sixty three, dealing with a teenage daughter who's 319 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: clearly intelligent and you know, fucking up as any teenager would, 320 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: but I never stake as a teenager have been having 321 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: sex with Patrick Swayze and seeking like there's so there's 322 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: a conflict between Swayzey and Albak, which, first of all unhooked. 323 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: The whole reason that that problem arises is because when 324 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: Jerry Oba comes to see what's going on after Penny's 325 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: traveling abortionist thing doesn't goal well. But when he he 326 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: goes to try to patch that situation up, he asked, yeah, like, 327 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: who's responsible for this girl, which is a vague question, 328 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: and Patrick Sprayzy says me because he's her best friend 329 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: and sort of views himself as the one who looks 330 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: out for her, and had Patrick saysy at any point 331 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: just said that was what I meant when I said 332 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 1: that we could have saved an hour of conflict between 333 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: the two of them. I think one of the themes 334 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: of the movie is integrity and who hasn't who doesn't 335 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 1: And he sees robbed like you very clearly the villain 336 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: is the guy with no integrity who reads yeah, exactly right, 337 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: the guy with no integrity. And then the working class 338 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: people that everyone's looking down are the ones that have 339 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: the integrity, like and part of the reason they didn't 340 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: tell everybody that it's Robbie is because it's Penny's private information, 341 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: and she didn't want anybody to know, so they didn't 342 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: tell anybody, even though it would have been so much easier. 343 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: That's why when Baby is encouraging he said to stay 344 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,639 Speaker 1: away from Robbie and not have sex with him, she 345 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: doesn't say he knocked somebody up, because it's Penny's business. 346 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: And if Penny doesn't want anybody to know, nobody has 347 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: a right to tell anybody, even if it would make 348 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: everything so much easier. And that's why, like there's this 349 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: big sense of like right and wrong, they never wrap 350 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,399 Speaker 1: abortion into that and be like abortion is wrong. So 351 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: I thought that was a great It's a movie that 352 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: deals with right and wrong and morality that doesn't put 353 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: that judgment on abortion, to which I thought was really interested. 354 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: Were in such an easy choice to make. And another 355 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: thing about the very sexy poor that we have in 356 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: this movie is that they, unlike the you know, looking rich, 357 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: with the exception of Jerry Roback, is that the very 358 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: sexy poor all have a lot of respect for each 359 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: other and and treat each other way more fairly than 360 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 1: the upper echelon people do, where Patrick Swayzy and Penny, 361 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: and even even though I'm like, what is I get? Like, 362 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: there's a lot of positive male female friendships, but he 363 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: is almost evening her pill see like seven different times 364 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: in this movie, and it's like both friends. I was like, Okay, 365 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: I like that they did that. I agree with that, 366 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: but I like that they did that, that her character 367 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: exists not as anyone's romantic interest, Like there's a female 368 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: character who's not the main character who exists in these 369 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: like she forms this bond with Baby where they're clearly 370 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: women who have nothing in common at the beginning, and 371 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: Baby when Baby comes up to her and says, I 372 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: envy you. And Penny had just watched Robbie hitting on Lisa. 373 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: She's pregnant, she got kicked out of her house at sixteen, 374 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: and she like her life is a ship show. And 375 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: this doctor's daughter, rich girl who's at a summer resort 376 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 1: is saying, I envy you. Like that's where they start, 377 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,719 Speaker 1: and I think they come so far as to this 378 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: place of like mutual respect for one another. And I 379 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: also like that when Johnny gives his speech at the end, 380 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: I don't think anybody mentions Baby's appearance in the movie 381 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: like at all, Like Johnny never says, you look like 382 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: He's like, this is why I love her. He doesn't, 383 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: You're so beautiful. He like, she has integrity, and she's smart, 384 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: and she's brave, and she helps people and she inspires 385 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: me to be a better person because she's such a 386 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: good person. Oh, I wanted to talk about the scene. 387 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: One of those scenes that does pass the BECTO test 388 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: is between Baby and Penny on the Thursday, which is 389 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: the only day to traveling abortionists can come. Uh and 390 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: and it's also when when Baby is about to do 391 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: the one show that everyone's income depends on. They have 392 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: this scene together that's that I thought was really nice 393 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: to a certain point where Penny is helping Baby get 394 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: ready and they're talking about dancing and Baby is nervous, 395 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: and then Penny the scene andy Penny saying I'm scared 396 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: to get an abortion, which apparently she should be this 397 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: traveling abortion this is not very good. But before that 398 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: she says a Penny like, I just want you to 399 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: know I don't really ape around, And I thought that 400 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: Robbie really loved me. And that doesn't seem like super 401 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: necessary to bring into it, because like it doesn't super matter, 402 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: which is kind of nit picky, But then again that 403 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: might also just speak to the relationship between these characters 404 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: where Penny probably feels like Richard people judge her and 405 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 1: assume that she would be like the type to sleep 406 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: around or however that's PERCEI what kind of goes back 407 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: to like the slat shaminess that exists in this movie 408 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,439 Speaker 1: where it's like, I don't want you to think I'm 409 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: split opposite for me, I go and then saying, hey, 410 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: one I didn't say anymore. I don't like to be fair. 411 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: That's same we like the sexy porter. Do you have 412 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: a fear of being start shammed across the board? Because 413 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: then there is that weird seen in Swazies Cabin, which 414 00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: is a book I would like to write. There's a 415 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: scene in Slazy's cabin after he and uh he and 416 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: Baby have had sex I hope with pretention who knows, 417 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: but Baby is like, you know, teasing him, and it's like, 418 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: how many women have you been with because and honestly, 419 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: I'm like, I want to know. We don't know how 420 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: old you are, and like maybe a ballpark figure will 421 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: be helpful, But Slayzy starts talking about something we are 422 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 1: you know, which is that he's low ki at Jiggio, 423 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: but then totally disclaims that. But basically he has this 424 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: weird speech where he's like, but you understand. You come 425 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: here and suddenly there's all these women and they're just 426 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: they're throwing themselves that you will. They're putting their key 427 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,239 Speaker 1: cards in your pockets and you show up and you 428 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: think they love you. It's like, spazy, no, you don't. 429 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: We don't think someone slips their key card in your 430 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: back pocket a known married person, and it's like, slazy, 431 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: come over because I love you like and and so 432 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: you know it's implied. Yeah, so you know sees he's 433 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: had sex with however many people we've done know how 434 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: old he is. But he implies that every time he's 435 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: had sex is because he thought he was in love 436 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: and then he got stiffed. In his defense and defense 437 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 1: is that's not in his defense because there's a moment 438 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: when also in that conversation he's like, oh, they're shoving 439 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: diamonds in your pocket and I was around from Titanic. 440 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: You show you love someone like giving them a diamond. Right, 441 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: that's true because caled In Hockley protagonist, he's also super poor, right, 442 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 1: so all the kids that they're super poor, when he's 443 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: like he's candy to stay a lot and he's like 444 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: to stay alive, and then he goes there and women 445 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: are just giving him all this. I think anybody in 446 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 1: that situation, like he's super overwhelmed by like like, during 447 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,360 Speaker 1: the year, I'm flat broke, can barely survive, and then 448 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: all summer it's sex and money all over the place. 449 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: I think it's a weird. And I also think I 450 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,479 Speaker 1: think that the scene in the locker room with Penny 451 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: and Baby, I liked that they did that the Penny 452 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: because before that a lot of her interactions you don't 453 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 1: know shit about me, and like she very quickly dismisses Baby, 454 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: and then you see her vulnerability when she's like she's 455 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 1: ashamed of herself because people have always treated her like that. 456 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 1: And I think that's where you see who Baby really is, 457 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,280 Speaker 1: because Penny's expecting to be sleut shamed and that's why 458 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 1: she says it, because she's expecting Baby to judge her, 459 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: and at no point is she met with judgment by 460 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: Baby at all. And I think it shows you this 461 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: bond is developed between these women, and Baby isn't who 462 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: she thought she was, and she baby was never gonna 463 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: it wouldn't have occurred to baby to judge her. But 464 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,880 Speaker 1: Penny's so used to everybody treating her like that her 465 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: whole life that she feels like she has to pre 466 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: empt it by addressing it. And that's like the sort 467 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: of speech that she gives the baby gives her dad 468 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: towards the end, when she's like, there's some things about 469 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: me that you may not like, and you don't know 470 00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 1: about me, but if you love me, you have to 471 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: love all of me, basically saying I have sex now, daddy, 472 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 1: and you have to be okay with it. Sorry, daddy. 473 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: Daddy cries. Can we talk about how much emphasis is 474 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: post on the lift and how I want to develop 475 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: an app called the Lift similar to lift. Instead of 476 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 1: picking someone up in a car, you just pick them 477 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: up and lift them over your head, like say I 478 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: want that person to come pick me up and then 479 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: you get picked up. I will absolutely give you. Yes, 480 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: I liked the Lift. I mean, there are so many 481 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: montages in this but when they are like, well, I'm 482 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: trying you to the lift, this is where I first 483 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 1: started questioning, Wait a second, how old is he? When 484 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: he takes those seventeen year olds into the water and 485 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: it's like, okay, we're about to see some nips. How 486 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: old is this man again? Lifting this high school SENI 487 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: here that said very horny scene. Liked it because anyone else. 488 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: So many final thoughts about the movie. In the portrayal 489 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 1: of women, we establish it, Yes, the movie does pass 490 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: the back to textile. Maybe has conversations with her mother, 491 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: with her sister Lisa, and with Penny, all about things 492 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: that aren't men, say with the old gulf ter uh. 493 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: And then we wrote the movie on a scale of 494 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: zero to five nipples based on its portrayal of women. 495 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 1: Four okay, yeah, because I mean you can't give five 496 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: because it was three, so you're never gonna in there. 497 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: And he ordered are occasional Jerry moments where it's like, oh, 498 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 1: maybe just believe baby instead of corroborating it with three 499 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: different childs. But you know, eventually he does believe baby. 500 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: Baby is an exception of person throughout, even when she 501 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 1: is helping man. She is you know, she she makes 502 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: every decision for herself, and I mean, she's the main 503 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: reason this movie is awesome. And Penny to Penny is 504 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: like an awesome character, which that they had done more 505 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: slash literally anything with her mom. I feel like they're 506 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: coming ja march March marches sidelined hard so and and 507 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: the sister's kind of a dummy, but we get to 508 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: see the you know, she comes around as well and yeah, 509 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: I'll skew up on your roof for okay. Yeah, I 510 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: don't know. It bugged me that, like the baby doesn't 511 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: get her like big speech at the end, like they 512 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 1: give that to Johnny, which maybe I don't know, he 513 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: kind of has more at stake. You could argue, I 514 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: don't know, like whole family's true, but I don't know. 515 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: I just I wish that she had more of like 516 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: a climactic moment. She does get the lift, but who 517 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: cares about the fucking lift? Oh, by the way, all 518 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: four of my nipples? Uh. Summer Jerry Irack young Hot 519 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: summer Jerry Alback old still hot. Cool. What I love 520 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: is she doesn't give Penny the money to impress Johnny, 521 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: Like she doesn't do what to like get it, like 522 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: to get this guy to like her. She does it 523 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: because it's what's right, and she doesn't hesitate at all. 524 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,239 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it four and a half because I 525 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 1: love again. I think the female characters. I wish they 526 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,120 Speaker 1: had more time to do stuff together, but I think 527 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: Penny and Baby are phenomenal characters, and I love that 528 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: we got to sort of see that arc between them 529 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: and that Baby is consistent throughout and like who she is, 530 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: and she winds up teaching even the wisest man alive. 531 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: Jerry Arback, I Daddy, Jerry Arback loans a thing or 532 00:30:54,440 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: two about a thing or two. Daddy knows our news round. 533 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here. So that was 534 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: our live episode. Thanks to everyone who came. It was 535 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: so much fun. We like did kind of a poll 536 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: at the beginning. They're like, who's listened to the podcast before? 537 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: And a bunch of people clapp and they're like, who hasn't? 538 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: And then several people clapp there like great, thank you 539 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: for just blindly going into this. And then we're like, 540 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: who has not seen Dirty Dancing before? And then several 541 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: people clapped. Some people didn't know what the podcast was 542 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: or the movie, and it's like, you know, your average 543 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: podcast host would be like, thank you so much for 544 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: taking your risk. Me what are you doing? Like? What 545 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: is one? Go get lunch. You had to pay money 546 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: to be here? Yeah, I do fist. I mean, I 547 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: would like to me they were very nice. They were 548 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: a great audience. I would like to assume that our podcast, 549 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 1: they probably just read the description and like this sounds 550 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: so great. I want to come to this no matter what. 551 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: I don't care if I haven't seen the movie. I 552 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: just to see these women talk. God, I want of 553 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: these women talk. I don't know if you guys are listening, 554 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: tell us why. Well, we had one audience member who 555 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: when we announced what movie we were doing, she audibly gasped, 556 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: and she ended up being this incredible source of information 557 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: which we can address now. So so in the live episode, 558 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: were you probably heard part of it? Um, A lot 559 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: of to Do is made about the traveling Abortionists. Abortion 560 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: is a key plot point in this movie and is 561 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: treated very responsibly, particularly for when the movie came out 562 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: in eighties, and and we pointed that out a number 563 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: of times, where Penny is having an abortion, but the 564 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: issue was never the abortion. It's the timing of the 565 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: abortion because of the whole traveling abortionist thing. And then, uh, 566 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: this same lovely woman who gasped when we said dirty 567 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: dancing approached after the show and let us know, and 568 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: then we researched it and found out more that that 569 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: was actually done very intentionally by the creators of the movie, 570 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 1: because in this I mean, this came out like Reagan era, 571 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: which is a very back and forth time for reproductive rights, 572 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: and so it was written very intentionally that way as 573 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: making abortion normalized and not a big deal that needs 574 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: to be harped on exactly. Yeah. Um. She mentioned that 575 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: this movie was sort of written and made a response 576 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: to a series of anti abortion protests that were happening 577 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: in the eighties, because the movie takes place in nineteen 578 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: sixty three, which is a few years before Roe v. Wade, 579 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: before abortion was made legal and more accessible, and you 580 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: didn't have to have these back alley abortions from these 581 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: traveling abortion is who really just mostly butchered women. Yeah. 582 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: She provided a lot of context information, So, um, I 583 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: wish we had gotten her name, but shout out if 584 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: you're listening, and I hope you're still listening, because you 585 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: were so great. Thank you for thank you for I mean, 586 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: and and to all of our listeners who reached out 587 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: to us and provide us with additional context. Helps us 588 00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: helps you guys. It's great. We appreciated everything works out. 589 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: It reminds me, though, of a part that I had 590 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 1: to cut out of the live episode because the audio 591 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: was just I was, I think, screaming, so it was 592 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: very distorted. But there's a part in the movie where 593 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: Newman God I forget the actor's real name, but Newman 594 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 1: from Seinfeld he's and he is promoting this class that 595 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: you can take at this camp called the Psychology of 596 00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: the Insult Comedian. It's like glossed over in the movie, 597 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,200 Speaker 1: but like I honed in on this details, like, oh 598 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,640 Speaker 1: my god, I want to take this class. I also 599 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: want to see a spinoff movie, a spinoff of Dirty 600 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:40,319 Speaker 1: Dancing called something like Dirty Comedy or something better than that, 601 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,919 Speaker 1: but it would be starting Jeff Ross. I just wanted 602 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: to see a movie about like a young woman who 603 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 1: goes to a camp and she she's like, oh, what's 604 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: this class psychology? But then there's a man who's like, 605 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: I'm the teacher of this class, like a four year 606 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,359 Speaker 1: old road comic. This young woman who's like, don't let 607 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 1: young women anywhere near broad comics. They're dirty, stay away 608 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: from them. They're like, hey, won't open from me. I'll 609 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: give you. I'm not gonna get a car with you. 610 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,080 Speaker 1: Oh there's a part that I had to cut out 611 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 1: where I literally just screamed. I was like, why is 612 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: the lift so important? The big lift Johnny Castle has 613 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: to lift baby up? Why is this so much emphasis 614 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: placed on it? And I scream, fuck the left, And 615 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: I just want everyone to know how angry I am 616 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: about you were mad about the lift and I wasn't 617 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: mad about the lift. Emily wasn't mad. Emily didn't yell once. 618 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: It's almost like she's got a control on herself that 619 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: we don't, and honestly, good for her. Good for her. 620 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,280 Speaker 1: She's a smart lady. Yeah. Yeah, and she's a social 621 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: worker too, that's probably why she didn't. Yeah, she's she's cool, 622 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: calm and collected. She's got a degree in having her 623 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: ship together. Hey do you know what I have a 624 00:35:50,280 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 1: degree in? I don't care, but there's a master's screen 625 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: in screenwriting from Boston University. Yeah. So, yeah, this was 626 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: our episode about dirty dancing. We had so much fun. 627 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 1: To hope we do more live episodes in the future. 628 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: We'll let you know if that's the case, and we 629 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: will sound check next time. Yes, we sure will. You 630 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: can follow us on social media at back toel Cast, 631 00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:27,280 Speaker 1: on Instagram, ever expanding on Twitter, we have a Facebook. 632 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: You can like us there. We post articles and post things. 633 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: It's great. You can rate and listen and subscribe and 634 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,759 Speaker 1: review us and all of those fun things on iTunes 635 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,000 Speaker 1: and and you can follow me at Caitlin Garante. I 636 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 1: haven't plugged myself in a while. Hey, plug it, babyug 637 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: plugs out? What plugs out? Hogs out? You can take 638 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: your hog out and then type into your brother turn 639 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: dot com slash hammergra phone, I'll be there, are your 640 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: huggill be there? Uh? And then who knows, We'll just 641 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: let nature tickets course, all right, I think that will 642 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,239 Speaker 1: do it. Okay, bye bye