1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast. Second hour of Play in Buck kicks 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: off right now. Everybody. We are joined by the best 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: in the business, our friend Andy McCarthy with legal analysis 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: of this indictment and what's coming and all the rest 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: of it. He's from a National Review and Fox News 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: twenty years plus as a federal prosecutor in the Southern 8 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: District of New York. Andy, give us your top line here, 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:34,160 Speaker 1: my friend, you read this indictment, what was your biggest takeaway? 10 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think the indictment has lots of problems, Buck, 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 2: But to cut to the chase, I think they're doing 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,919 Speaker 2: a political act that they're masquerating as a legal proceeding. 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 2: I think it's driven by a political reason. That is, 14 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 2: the congressional process of impeachment failed and that's not an 15 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: acceptable outcome the people who put so they're trying to 16 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: do in the criminal arena what they couldn't get done 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: in the congressional arena. The problem is it's not a 18 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: good fit. And on the other end of it, I 19 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: think they're doing it for the obvious political reason that 20 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: they're trying to push this case to trial and then 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: have it aired out in public with capital riot evidence 22 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,679 Speaker 2: that he's kind of Smith has kind of insidiously inserted 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: into the case so that it can be in the 24 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: front of voters' minds as they go to the polls 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: So it's almost like this is part of the Biden 27 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: reelection campaign. I mean, that's really it's meant to coincide 28 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: with Trump running and create at least a spectacle, if 29 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: not a guilty verdict here of all these things the 30 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: Democrats have been talking about since twenty twenty. 31 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we knew that buck even before this 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: ever came out, because remember, even though there are clear, 33 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 2: long known crimes in connection with Hunter Biden, the Justice 34 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: Department has never appointed a special council and has never 35 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: even indided the case, even though there's a neon blinking 36 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 2: conflict of interest there. On the other hand, the Biden 37 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 2: Justice Department appointed a special counsel for Trump even though 38 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: there's no conflict of interest, which is what you're supposed 39 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: to need to appoint a special counsel. So it seems 40 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: to me it was obvious that the reason they did this, 41 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 2: and I said it at the time, was their planning, 42 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 2: Biden and Garland had every intention of Trump being charged, 43 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: and they want to argue because they knew that Trump 44 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 2: was going to go on the campaign trail and say 45 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: that Biden was using the justice system as a weapon 46 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: against him. They wanted to come up with a political 47 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: fiction by which they could tell people that they don't 48 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 2: have anything to do with it. That is, the Attorney 49 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: General and the president don't have anything to do with it. 50 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 2: So that's what they appointed Smith for. It was always 51 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: in their playbook. I think that he was going to 52 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: bring this case, and now he's brought it. 53 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: Where do you think the case here the charge is? 54 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: Where does it fall apart the most for you? Like, 55 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: what are the areas where you just say this should 56 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: have never been I should have never been brought. 57 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: I think in particular the first count, which is this 58 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: conspiracy to defraud the government. And I've been writing about 59 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: this since May, but the Supreme Court in May throughout 60 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: two political corruption convictions against two cronies of former New 61 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 2: York Governor Andrew Cuomo. And what the court very clearly 62 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: said was two things that I think Smith has totally ignored, 63 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: even though in some ways that may even have been 64 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 2: intended for him or at least the prosecutors generally. And 65 00:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 2: the first is book that fraud in in the United 66 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: States and federal law means what it meant when it 67 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: was initially enacted in the end of the nineteenth century, 68 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: which is, it's a scheme to deprive somebody out of 69 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: money or tangible property. And what the Court said is 70 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: that Congress has not successfully enacted a fraud statute that 71 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 2: would extend fraud to other deceptive plans that don't involve 72 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: bilking people out of money and property. And the Court 73 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: was very adamant, which is the reason they threw these 74 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: cases out against the Cuomo guys, that prosecutors are not 75 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 2: at liberty to make up such crimes. That if they're 76 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 2: going to be those crimes, they have to be enacted 77 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 2: by Congress, which obviously hasn't enacted it. So given that 78 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court did two decisions on one day about 79 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: that in May, you would think that that would have 80 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 2: come to the attention of a prosecutor who was winding 81 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: up his investigation, because this is a harpoom right in 82 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 2: the middle of it. And then I think, I think 83 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 2: buck that generally what the Court's message was was an 84 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: admonition to prosecutors that you are not at liberty to 85 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: expand statutes beyond the coverage that Congress intended by manipulating 86 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: ambiguous words like fraud or corruption. And that's exactly what 87 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 2: Smith has done in this indictment. He indicted a fraud 88 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 2: count that isn't fraud under federal law. He's indicted an 89 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: obstruction count on a theory that it's corrupt to follow 90 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 2: a specious legal argument. And he's indicted a civil rights count. 91 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: This is perhaps as unbelievable as anything else. He's indicted 92 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: a civil rights charge on the basis of a post 93 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: civil rights statute that was aimed at protecting blacks in 94 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: the South from violent attacks by the ku Klux Klan 95 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: to try to prevent them from voting. So to analogize 96 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 2: that to this to me is like fantasy land. 97 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: Now, let's look at the machinery of it a little 98 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: bit now, or how this process is going to play out. 99 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: He's got a very clearly anti Trump judge and a 100 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: very clearly anti Trump jurisdiction Washington, DC. Is this first 101 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: andy you think that they're going to fast track this 102 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: and have it happen before the election. How do you 103 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: see this playing out on this case? 104 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: I think the only reason politically to bring it, and 105 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: politics is the front the first order issues of these guys. 106 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 2: I think the only reason to bring it is to 107 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: get it in front of the electorate in time for 108 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: the election. He made a point yesterday I thought, I 109 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 2: said on television book that I thought his press conference 110 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 2: after the indictment was the most demagogic thing I had 111 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 2: ever seen a federal prosecutor do. In connection with a 112 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 2: press conference like that, one of the things he said 113 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 2: was he intended to get a speedy trial, which is 114 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: code for you know, we're going to push this thing. 115 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: And I think he's actually undermined his legal position for that, 116 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: because if you really want to get this case to 117 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: trial quickly, what you should have done is indicted this 118 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: case first. Instead, he indicted the mar A Lago case 119 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: first and push the judge there into a May trial day. 120 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: So you know, whether he likes it or not, Trump 121 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: does have constitutional rights, including due process rights to mount 122 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 2: a defense, which means to be able to investigate the 123 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 2: case and to have time to process the charges and 124 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: engage in the litigation that a case like this calls 125 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 2: for But what Trump can argue is that Smith has 126 00:07:55,520 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: intentionally and tactically undermined his fair trial rights by intentionally 127 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 2: bringing this other lawsuit in Florida, which makes it much 128 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 2: harder for Trump to defend himself in Washington. So even 129 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 2: a anti Trump judge, if that's what we turn out 130 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: to have here, I think you have to sit up 131 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 2: and take notice of that claim because that's a profound 132 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: legal claim. 133 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: And how worried are you, Andy, just as a person 134 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: who's seen how this stuff goes over many years in 135 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: federal courtrooms, a DC jury with these charges. I mean, 136 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: you've given us your legal analysis of it, But are 137 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: you concerned that there could be a guilty verdict here 138 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: just based on anti Trump animosity or do you think 139 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: that whether it's the appeals court or the Supreme Court, 140 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: it's not even going to get to that level. 141 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think, Buck, I'm more confident in 142 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: the jury system than most people are, and I appreciate 143 00:08:55,800 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: all the things about the Washington DC jury pool. I 144 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: think that Trump will have a more weighty argument to 145 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: get the case moved out of the District of Columbia 146 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: than most defendants have in federal cases because the district 147 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: of Columbia is small. It's not just that it's politically 148 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: biased against him. The Capitol riot happened in Washington. Now, 149 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: on that score, the reason I said that Smith was 150 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: so demagogic yesterday. The Capitol riot really shouldn't have anything 151 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: to do with this because Smith hasn't charged him with 152 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: the Capitol riot and there's no evidence connecting Trump in 153 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: a criminally actionable Yesterday, after the indictment, which I thought 154 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 2: was amazing because he didn't really talk about the charges 155 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 2: he had actually filed. He talked about what a terrible 156 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: thing the Capitol riot was and lauded the bravery of 157 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 2: the police and other security forces who had been attacked 158 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 2: as the building was attacked. That really shouldn't have anything 159 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: to do with this case because Trump is in charge 160 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: with it. Yet, if you look at the flipped toward 161 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 2: the end, I think it's page thirty nine out of 162 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: forty five pages, he's got three or four pages in 163 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: there about the Capitol riot. Now, he hasn't charged the 164 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 2: Capitol riot, but he put those pages in the indictment 165 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: so that he can argue to the judge that he 166 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,640 Speaker 2: should be able to put evidence of the Capitol riot 167 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: in and I think that's waving the bloody shirt. He 168 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: knows how weak his charges are, and he thinks he 169 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 2: needs to get that even with a DC jury, he 170 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 2: thinks that he needs to get that evidence into the 171 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: case to have a chance to convict Trump. And a 172 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: good judge will keep that evidence out of the case. 173 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: But it, to me, Buck, is additional reason why the 174 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 2: case why. There's a very good argument that the case 175 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 2: ought to be moved out of the district of Columbia. 176 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: Andy McCarthy with us right now. Andy, are you confident 177 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: that Trump is going to be able to beat all 178 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: this stuff in the legal system, put aside whether he 179 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: can win politically irrespective of these outcomes, do you think 180 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: that he's in pretty good shape to just make it 181 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: through this gauntlet. 182 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: No, No one's ever been through a gauntlet like this before, Buck, 183 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 2: And this goes to how political it is. There's a 184 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: lot of people who've been the subject of a lot 185 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: of litigation, including criminal and civil cases. You know, you 186 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: and I collectively have enough experience in you know, police 187 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 2: and law enforcement and all that stuff that we could 188 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 2: think of five or six people who were, you know, 189 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 2: thought to be heavy duty criminals who had a lot 190 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 2: of cases against them, both criminal and civil cases. But 191 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 2: I've never seen a situation where you have one guy 192 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: who suddenly got all these criminal and civil cases which 193 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 2: are not going to be spread out over a few years. 194 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 2: This is all being fast tracked so that this evidence 195 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: in these trials can take place in the period of 196 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: the election. 197 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 1: In the camp, it sounds like you agree with me 198 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: that it seems just abitious that this guy lived seventy 199 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: seven years of his life and in the seventy seventh 200 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: year he's facing two federal indictments, a criminal indictment in 201 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: New York, possibly another one in Georgia, and also a 202 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 1: state investigation. 203 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 2: In New York, and that they're in a hot panic 204 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: to get it to trial, you know, in the next 205 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 2: five minutes. I'm like, you know, if you're the government 206 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: and you know that somebody is facing all these other trials, 207 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 2: you don't want to create a record that he doesn't have, 208 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: that his due process rights haven't been honored, and that 209 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: he didn't have an opportunity to prepare for your trial. 210 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: And if you're Smith, you could prosecute the same case. 211 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: Buck On December one of twenty twenty four, as you know, 212 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: before election day, and it wouldn't prejudice the the government 213 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 2: in the slightest, but they're in a hot panic to 214 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 2: get this case to trial because they want it before 215 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: the election. That's the whole point. 216 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: Do you think they're going to get it before the election? Endy? 217 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: And it really depends on the Yeah, I'm thinking about it, Bucket. 218 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: It really depends you ask me these hard questions, Buck, 219 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 2: I have to take a second to think. You know, 220 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: it depends on the judge. It really does depend on 221 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 2: the judge. And it depends on whether Trump could come 222 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 2: up with some reason that he gets to appeal before 223 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: the trial. You know, there's a lot of reasons, buck 224 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 2: because of the classified information aspects of it, that Trump 225 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: could appeal the marral Lago case prior to trial, because 226 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: there's there's provisions in the in the classified information low 227 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: that allow for that. I'm not seeing a lot of 228 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: good basis to try to get this appealed prior to trial, 229 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: and he's going to have to come up with them 230 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 2: because I think, you know, the judge in this case 231 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: has to know the Court of Appeals in the Supreme Court. 232 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: Looking go read Andy's latest It's Trump's January sixth and 233 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: Diamond a political scheme to influence the next election. It 234 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: is up at clayanbuck dot com. Originally posted at the 235 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: Messenger dot com, but good at claanbuck dot com. You'll 236 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,719 Speaker 1: have the cross link there. Andy. We're going to be 237 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: talking to you a lot, sir, so get some rest. 238 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: Thanks for being here. 239 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 3: It's my pleasure. 240 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 2: Buck, thank you so much. 241 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: Thank you. Got to hand it to the people at Puretalk. 242 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: They did something very smart for those of us that 243 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: have switched our cell phone service to them. In July. 244 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: They added data on our service plans without increasing their 245 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: monthly price. 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And I think that courts will look skeptically. 264 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 4: He might have a fair shot with a DC jury 265 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 4: and maybe a DC judge. He's going to have a 266 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 4: harder time with the courts. And this reminds me of 267 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 4: sort of the McDonald complaint where he took the Virginia governor, 268 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 4: got a conviction and then was unanimously overturned by the 269 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: Supreme Court. It is a bridge too far. 270 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 3: There. 271 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: You have eminent constitutional scholar Jonathan Turley bring it up, 272 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: the Bob McDonald's situation from Yoursgo Virginia. Where have you 273 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: heard that one, folks. I'm not saying he heard it 274 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: here on this show, but I'm just pointing out great minds, 275 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: think alike. That's what I was telling you. They went 276 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: after Bob McDonell and his wife. They were going to 277 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: lock his wife up in federal prison for what taking gifts? 278 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: That's it. Didn't do it, didn't sign any bill, didn't 279 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: no quid pro quote, nothing. Hey, I just want to 280 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: hang out with you. I'm giving you lots of free stuff. 281 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: Did he ever do anything? 282 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: No? 283 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: Did she ever do anything? 284 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: No? 285 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: They were gonna send him, I think, to federal prison. 286 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: They wanted nine or ten years, and she they're gonna 287 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: send for two years. Yeah, Democrat deep state federal prosecutors, 288 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 1: my friends, the writing was on the wall. Then, you see, 289 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 1: we knew what they were going to try to do. 290 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: And now this, as I've said, is just the This 291 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: is the culmination of many years of Democrat weaponization of 292 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: the law on issues like this, on the pseudo corruption, 293 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: their inflation of these statutes to pretend that there's somehow 294 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: a crime that has been committed here. That's what they're 295 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 1: doing to Trump like they did to McDonald. The Supreme 296 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: Court had to say what is the crime? Like, what 297 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: are you charging this guy for? The State of Virginia 298 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: didn't charge him with any corruption statutes. They didn't have 299 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: any problem all. But he was a prominent You forget this, 300 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people do. He was a prominent Republican 301 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: at the time. Some people were saying shortlist for VP, 302 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 1: maybe even a future presidential candidate himself. Got to take 303 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 1: him out, that was what they tried to do. So yeah, 304 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 1: Bob McDonald, like I said, these Democrat deep state prosecutor types, 305 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: these different approaches to the law. 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All right, welcome 331 00:18:54,600 --> 00:19:01,360 Speaker 1: back to Clayannbuck and we're working through here the aftermath 332 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: of this just crap indictment. I mean, this is it's 333 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: terrible for the law, it's terrible for faith in institutions, 334 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: it's absurd. But it's also a real problem. Right, this 335 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: is going to be something that they try to use 336 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: to determine the next presidential election. And when you can 337 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: see as clearly as we do now the ways in 338 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: which they plan to abuse their power. It should make 339 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: it even more clear to everybody how important it is 340 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 1: that we find a way to win. But I was 341 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: just a moment ago speaking about the Bob McDonald corruption 342 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: case in twenty fourteen. It was about one hundred and 343 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars of gifts Rolex watch, I think, 344 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: like a trip to the Caribbean or something like that. 345 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: The problem, though, with bringing that corruption case was that 346 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: McDonald McDonald never did anything, and his wife certainly didn't 347 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: do anything. She wasn't even in office. But they accepted 348 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: gifts from a connected and a wealthy businessman in the state. 349 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: And so the federal prosecution of them proceeded. The Supreme 350 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: Court smacked it down, they catered it eight. Oh, that's 351 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 1: what an egregious miscarriage of justice that was. And I 352 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,199 Speaker 1: just those of you who have been listening to me 353 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: who were original Saturday Squad from when I was doing 354 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: just a one day a week radio show back in 355 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: twenty twelve, twenty thirteen, You remember I was talking about 356 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: this how and there were some conservatives who tried to 357 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,479 Speaker 1: disagree with me I said, this is outrageous. If they 358 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,880 Speaker 1: can prosecute McDonald and his wife for this, they can't 359 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: prosecute any Republican they want. And then you see what happened. 360 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: They had They went after Chris Christy on Bridge Gate. 361 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: They went after Rick Perry for that prosecutor who was 362 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: drunk driving, and he said he was going to withhold 363 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: funding for the office unless they fired him. There was 364 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: Scott Walker and the John Doe prosecutions in Wisconsin and 365 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: the Ted Stevens prosecution where they held sculpatory evidence just 366 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: so they could nail them. And without that going down 367 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: the way it did, you probably don't have a Democrat 368 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: eventually winning that Senate seat, and then you don't have 369 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: enough votes to get through all of Obamacare. So it 370 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: was a big deal. And then this, as I've said, 371 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 1: the culmination is the weaponization of law against Donald Trump. 372 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: You put all these pieces together. In fact, you can 373 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: go even further than that. And I was very troubled 374 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: by this at the time. I was at the CIA 375 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: at the time, and I knew what was going on. 376 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 1: They found out immediately. They knew in the beginning with 377 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: the investigation of the leak of Valerie plane. Remember where 378 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: they talked about all this. They found out in the 379 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: very beginning who had leaked to name. It was an accident, 380 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: but that special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald kept going why to 381 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: try to get either Carl Rove or Dick Cheney in 382 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: a process crime? Starting to sound familiar, doesn't it? Right? 383 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: Don't we all? We all know what's going on here? 384 00:21:58,840 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 2: Right? 385 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: This is how they have been playing the game for years. 386 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: And people talk about how, oh, this is like the 387 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: Stazi or this is you want to know about Stazi. 388 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: Go see what the John Doe prosecutions were like some 389 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 1: Democrat lunatic. His wife was like a teacher's union rep 390 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,399 Speaker 1: or something in Wisconsin. She was a crying about how 391 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: awful Scott Walker was. He goes, all right, well, I'll 392 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: use a law. This is what they did in Wisconsin. 393 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: I'll use a law that is supposed to shield the 394 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: victims of sexual assault from their identities being shared. I'll 395 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: abuse that law so that people who are being raided 396 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: in the early morning. 397 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 5: Hours for alleged collusion between campaign and pack basically coordination 398 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 5: was actually the term coordination between campaign and back pack, 399 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 5: and they. 400 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: Were threatening to throw people in prison for years over this. 401 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: I mean I remember I interviewed some of them when 402 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 1: it all came out, and they weren't allowed to say anything. 403 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: My friends, they were ordered by courts in Wisconsin because 404 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 1: of this John Dolaw. They weren't allowed to speak about this. 405 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: They were under a gag rule. It was disgusting. It 406 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: was disgusting, and that prosecutor out of Milwaukee is a 407 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: shameful human being who should be disbarred. But this is 408 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: how they've been doing it for years. When I'm telling you, 409 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: Trump was just the one that upset them the most. 410 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 1: So they've gone all in and now we can look 411 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: at how they play the game on the other side 412 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: because they're gonna do it right now. Anyone who goes 413 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: on TV with the law is the law, They're unserious, 414 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: all these Democrats, the law is the law? 415 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 6: Really? 416 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden hides millions of dollars. Why was he hiding it, folks? 417 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: Why send it to all these lcs. You can say, oh, well, 418 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: he didn't want to pay taxes on it. Yeah, But 419 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: there's more than that, isn't there. Because when you're getting 420 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 1: this much money for doing nothing, paying taxes on it, 421 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 1: sure it hurts taxes are too high. But the hiding 422 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: it's also about making sure that people can't connect the 423 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,800 Speaker 1: dots to what's really going on, which is the Biden 424 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: family Office of Global Corruption. Now, we talked about the 425 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: Sweetheart plea deal they tried to get, and you know, 426 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: Clay and I were going back and forth in this. 427 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 1: I said, the fix is in, man, they're going to 428 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: do it. And the fix was in, except Clay thought 429 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: that maybe the judge was going to say, you know, 430 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: this is just going too far. And then it did 431 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: go too far because who could have even thought that 432 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: this is what would happen. With Miranda Devine from New 433 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: York Post. You know she's on the show frequently. She 434 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 1: shared this in the docket. Now for the court, this 435 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: is public record the diversion agreement for the United States 436 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 1: Attorney's Office for the District of Delaware and Robert Hunter Biden. Okay, 437 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: a diversion agreement. So this is basically making the whole 438 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: thing go away. And under section fifteen, I want you 439 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: to listen to this. The law is the law, right, sure, 440 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: it is here you go. Quote agreement not to prosecute 441 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: the United States agrees not too quick friminally prosecute Biden 442 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: outside of the terms of this agreement for any federal 443 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: crimes encompassed by the attached statement of facts and by 444 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: the statement of facts attached as Exhibit one to the 445 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: memorandum of plea agreement filed this same day. This agreement 446 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: does not provide any protection against prosecution for future kind 447 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: of got okay, right, So they didn't give him a 448 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: permanent get out of get out of jail free card forever, 449 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: but they did give him a we're gonna wipe this 450 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 1: or they try to. We're gonna wipe this away, not 451 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: only for what has been charged, but what has not 452 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: been charged that has already been done. This was in 453 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: the diversion agreement for the drugs for the drug issue 454 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: of the firearms charge, right, because he was you know, 455 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 1: he's lied about being on drugs when he signed this 456 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: firearms declaration. Clearly a got oh wait, the law is 457 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: the law. I thought the law is the law. What happened, 458 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: Oh it's not. There's something different going on here, you know, Biden. 459 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: That's what's different. A Democrat important to the Democrat cause 460 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: right now, and you see that they tried to slip 461 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:23,120 Speaker 1: this in. This isn't in the main plea agreement. Let 462 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: that Let that just sit in, sink in for a second. 463 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: So the plea agreement goes to the non payment of taxes, 464 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: he gets misdemeters on that. The diversion agreement, which is 465 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: referred to in the plea agreement, is for the gun charge. 466 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,959 Speaker 1: So that's just totally there's no plea. There's no plea there. 467 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: It's a diversion agreement. This is what they do for 468 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 1: drug addicts in some cases, Oh, get treatment, right, that's 469 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: in that agreement they put in this. 470 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 471 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: Also, you know that whole Foreign Agent Registration Act thing, 472 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:55,959 Speaker 1: you're gonna promise to not prosecute for that either. Oh oh, 473 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: so it was smoking mirrors. They didn't even want people. 474 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: This is what you have to take away from this, 475 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 1: and keep in mind, look what they're doing to Trump. 476 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: Charge here charge. They're charging things that no serious person 477 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 1: could think are ethically covered in the statutes that are 478 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: being used to try to destroy Trump. But well that's 479 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: going on and I mean simultaneously in our system, right 480 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 1: because this prosecution they've already had against Trump and they 481 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: were about to launch this one. I think the timing's 482 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:31,160 Speaker 1: very suspicious. While that's all happening. They try to do this, 483 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: They try to get a deal for Hunter Biden that 484 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 1: is so sweetheart that they are too embarrassed to put 485 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: in the normal court record in a way that people 486 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: could plainly see, including the judge. What a sweetheart deal 487 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: it was, What an unjust deal it was. That's how 488 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: grotesque we're talking about the situation being here, that's how 489 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: unfair it really was. Now, if Hunter hadn't been greedy, 490 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: if his lawyers hadn't gone they went for the whole thing, 491 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: this would have basically been Hunter Biden pays no penalty whatsoever, 492 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: no meaningful penalty, no felony, nothing, for all the stuff 493 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: he did starting in the you know, two thy fourteen range, 494 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: all the way up to basically to present, all that 495 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: gets wiped away, including charges that he didn't even have 496 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 1: to have, and to be clear, there weren't even charges 497 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: in the first This whole thing was negotiated so he 498 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 1: didn't even have to face an indictment. He didn't actually 499 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: have to even go through the process. It's basically a 500 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: stealth pardon. This is a stealth pardon from the Biden administration. 501 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: I want you to see that this is Biden's influence 502 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: through Merrick Garland through the DOJ, having the same effect 503 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 1: as a full blow own part in without the political 504 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: stink and consequences of giving that pardon and going on 505 00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: the record for it. And so now that's for the 506 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 1: Democrat side of the ledger. 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We are going to be 534 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: getting into more of this. I also want to talk 535 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 1: to you about the immigration illegal immigration situation again in 536 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: New York City, just because it's the videos, what's going 537 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: on there, the budget issues. It's a mess, and this 538 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 1: is what Democrats wanted. So the crazy thing in some 539 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: ways is that they're getting the situation they wanted and 540 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: now they don't like it. Oh gosh, what a shock. 541 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 1: We also going to have Julie Kelly with us in 542 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: the next hour talk more about this Trump indictment and 543 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: really focus with her on where this is all going 544 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: because she followed all the JAY six trials very closely, 545 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 1: So this is, in essence the biggest of the JA 546 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: six trials, even though it's really about the twenty twenty 547 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: election and the run up to January sixth, not the day. 548 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: January sixth itself, is just included in there, you know, 549 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: because it's like an MSNBC monologue. As I've said, that's 550 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: what this indictment really is. Let me see here, Rachel 551 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 1: in Vero Beach, Florida. Rachel, what have you got for us? 552 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 7: Well, I don't know if they understand what they're doing, 553 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 7: what the liberals think they're doing here with this procecute 554 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 7: of Trump, because people like myself who have been inclined 555 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 7: to vote for the VEK in the primaries are now 556 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 7: looking at this big, bad Washington machine attacking one man 557 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 7: over ideals, and that makes me think they're afraid of something, 558 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 7: and it looks like a let's get him before he 559 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 7: can get us. So my thought process is, do you 560 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 7: remember back when Harry Reid was the Senate Majority leader 561 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 7: and he invoked that nuclear option and then McConnell warned him, 562 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 7: if you do it, we're going to do the same. 563 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 7: I think turnabout's going to be fair play, and they're 564 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 7: handing Trump the election, whether they realize it or not, 565 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 7: the whole kit and kaboodle is his because of their actions. 566 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: Wellana Rachel, I think they believe they're handing Trump the 567 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: nomination and crushing him in the overall election. Again, they believe. 568 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm not making that case, but that is what the Democrats. 569 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: If you talk to Democrats strategy, just not on air, 570 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this is what they think. They think 571 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: that with all these indictments, with destroying Trump's campaign, it's 572 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 1: effectively rigging the general election before it even starts. That's 573 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: their calculation. I'm not sure that you know, no one 574 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 1: knows whether that's going to be right or not. We 575 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: certainly hope that Trump pulls through and that that is 576 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: not what ends up happening. Danny and Houston, what have 577 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: you got for us? 578 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 6: Well, Buck Rachel was kind of on the same line, 579 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 6: And what I was thinking is, these people are They've 580 00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 6: been caught going all the way back to twenty sixteen. 581 00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 6: These people are scared to death. They know if Trump 582 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 6: wins the nomination, he's not only gonna win the election, 583 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 6: he's gonna win a landslide, and they've set the president. 584 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 6: These people, I don't know how they even sleep at night, 585 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 6: and I guarantee they have nightmares knowing if Trump wins 586 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 6: the presidency, you're gonna see thousands and thousands of federal 587 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 6: bureaucrats fired. You're gonna see hundreds and hundreds of people 588 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 6: go to jail for the cover up, the smear and 589 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 6: all the things they've done to this man. So they've 590 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 6: gone too far. Now there's nothing they can do. They 591 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 6: have to finish the job. And that's what I think 592 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 6: a lot of people are missing. 593 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: Well, what do you think their version of finish the 594 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: job is Trump in prison? 595 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 6: Yes, because that's the only way they can stop him. Well, 596 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 6: not necessarily in prison, but getting to where he cannot 597 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 6: be president, because if he is president, he's not going 598 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 6: to forget Nia. She's the American people. But I promise you, 599 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 6: if he wins the nomination, which I believe he will, 600 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 6: he will not only win the election, he'll win in 601 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 6: a landslide. There's so many people that are disgusted by 602 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,959 Speaker 6: what the Democrats are doing, but they don't care. It's 603 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 6: self preservation. They have to stop this man because of 604 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 6: the things they've done. They know they're toast. 605 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: They're toast, all right, Danny, thank you very much for 606 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: calling in. I'm trying to work through that. So there, 607 00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 1: they are prosecuting him because they're scared he's going to 608 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: win the election, but they think by prosecuting him he 609 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: will lose the election. So at the end of the day, 610 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: they're doing this because they think that they can beat him. Right, 611 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to follow the lanes of logic here. Right, 612 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: if they thought prosecuting him was going to result in 613 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: him winning the general they wouldn't be prosecuting him now. 614 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: As Andy pointed out, they could do all this after 615 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: the general election. My friends, there's no statutory issue with that. 616 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: They could have held all these federal charges until after 617 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: the election. Of course they're not doing that. They're doing 618 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: it because they think that they can stop Trump from 619 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: winning if they do this. David, what have you got first, 620 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: David in Wisconsin? 621 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, the indictment in DC all but guarantees his conviction 622 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 3: because we all know what type of rabid feral dogs 623 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 3: are going to put on that jury. So I want 624 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 3: to know what the Republican's plan is for when he 625 00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 3: is October surprise and they put him in prison a 626 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,919 Speaker 3: month before the election. Is anybody's game plan that yet? 627 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: No, you know, David, this is the thing we're also 628 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: and I you know, you raise something and actually do 629 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: about it a bit more because people keep saying, well, 630 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: they're not going to actually put Trump in prison? Will they? 631 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: This is to what ends up everyone I talked to. 632 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:22,959 Speaker 1: I mean, look, we even had Andy on the last hour. 633 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,280 Speaker 1: Are they going to get this child done before the election? 634 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,240 Speaker 1: He goes, well, usually they wouldn't, but in this case, 635 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,359 Speaker 1: will they? These are things we got to tackle. These 636 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:33,920 Speaker 1: are things we got to look into. We'll get into 637 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,919 Speaker 1: this with Julie Kelly in the next hour more on this, 638 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,759 Speaker 1: and also the Democrat media reaction to this. We'll get 639 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 1: into that in a few minutes here, because they're truly 640 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: out of their minds.