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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Why does and eleven year

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Speaker 1: old have to die? Why? Take a listen to this

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite verses. All things bright and beautiful,

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Speaker 1: The Lord God made them all Our friends lost and

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Speaker 1: Alexander wrote that the eleven year old is Sheba. She's

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Speaker 1: a Germany shepherd. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I Meanancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation and serious XM one eleven an

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Speaker 1: eleven year old puppy dog, as I call our dog.

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Speaker 1: That boy is to be put to death. But why

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Speaker 1: we begged the county attorney who is arguing that this

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Speaker 1: dog should die, But for some reason, he cited ongoing

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Speaker 1: the coincidinc Why does this dog have to die? I

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Speaker 1: want Sheba to come live with us. First of all,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at Katie La. Jose Sanchez,

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Speaker 1: known as Pepe, has overcome with emotion as he talks

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Speaker 1: about his eleven year old dog named Sheba, who has

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Speaker 1: been incarcerated at the Devout Animal Shelter for over a year.

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Speaker 1: My friend he to care of me. In twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 1: Sheba got out of her house and into a fight

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Speaker 1: potentially dangerous by San Bernardino County officials, who place terms

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Speaker 1: and conditions on keeping her. One of those was that

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Speaker 1: five minutes. He admits Sheba got loose the second time

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Speaker 1: and it was all his fault. But why does she

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Speaker 1: have to die? And why won't the county attorney speak?

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Speaker 1: Why won't he answer the tough questions I have for him? Question?

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Speaker 1: You gotta look at that motive. Joining me an all

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Speaker 1: together again. First of all, joining me, you know her well.

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Speaker 1: She is a renowned animals rights act and a celebrity

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Speaker 1: in many ways. Priscilla Pressley joining us. Bruce Kryder Puppy Coalition,

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Speaker 1: Saving Sheba, Russ Alba, the managing director a black Swan

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Speaker 1: law in Florida. Penny Douglas Furr joining us from the

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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction. She's an animal rights advocate and taking the

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Speaker 1: side of the county attorney Believe it or not. Former

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Speaker 1: the Atlanta dog Whisperer, dog behaviorist, and Crime online dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter Dave Mack. Before we get started, take

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Speaker 1: a listen to Crime online dot Com. Sheba is an

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Speaker 1: eleven year old German shepherd. Her owner, eighty year old Pepe.

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Speaker 1: Sheba came to the attention of animal control after the

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Speaker 1: shepherd had gotten loose and attacked another dog, but no humans.

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Speaker 1: It happened again in less than a year. There were

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Speaker 1: and intervened. During this period. Between the two incidents, Peppe

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Speaker 1: was complying with county requirements about Shiba's care. He had

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Speaker 1: to Bruce cried or Puppy Coalition trying desperately to save Shiba. Bruce,

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Speaker 1: I don't understand. With so many people willing to take Shiba,

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Speaker 1: I think a few of us believe that because Puppy

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Speaker 1: And that was never the only option for Sheba Dog.

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Speaker 1: It's only ever been in when dark faced and never

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Speaker 1: But did you just say I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: I know you're taking the other side, But Penny and Daryl,

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Speaker 1: right there, Penny, Douglas Fern, give it to me in

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Speaker 1: a nutshell. That is prejudice. You're supposed to be seeking

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Speaker 1: if you have a dog and that dog can be rehabilitated,

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Speaker 1: This is not a vicious dog. This dog on a

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Speaker 1: they all protect each other and they're they're they're after Yes, Peppie,

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Speaker 1: So it was just it's when, like you said earlier,

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Speaker 1: dogs that will be dogs. I've had six dogs at

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Speaker 1: a Puppy Coalition animal rights activists intent on saving Sheba

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace. We're talking about the fight

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Speaker 1: She's gorgeous. When you see a picture of a German Shepherd,

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Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, when you were still a prosecutor, you and

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Speaker 1: He said, Nancy, he's hiding. He is appropriately shielded, not hiding,

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Speaker 1: what to do, not being held accountable to the community.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that they claim they can't speak to

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00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: anyone outside the system with respect to this pending case

426
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: is nonsense, because the County of San Bernardino is the client.

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00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: The client can determine what to do with this case

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Speaker 1: in the same way that any client can direct its

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Speaker 1: counsel to dismiss the case and terminate the terminate the prosecution.

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Speaker 1: When you said shelter that the DeVore shelter in San

431
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: Bernardino has a national reputation as being a kill shelter,

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00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: First of all, how do you put kill in the

433
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Speaker 1: same description as shelter? But what do you mean by

434
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Speaker 1: kill shelter? Certain shelters in the United States have a

435
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: reputation of very high kill rates as opposed, so they

436
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: devote most of their energies to killing the dogs that

437
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: are either surrendered or seized. Or are found as opposed

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Speaker 1: to as opposed to working actively with rescue groups who

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00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: are active in every county, every jurisdiction in the United

440
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: States trying to reduce the level of euthanizations in the shelters.

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00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: And so some shelters have very high rates of killing dogs,

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00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: and shelters like Divor are considered to be quote kill shelters. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think we've got another guest joining us. You know,

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00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: I've often said, and I've said this to us Alba,

445
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: that the best witness I ever put on the stand

446
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: was a dog. And I'm not kidding. I am not kidding.

447
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: It was a drug dog that did a demonstration in

448
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 1: the courtroom about how that dog found a cash of

449
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: drugs or one hundred thousand of dollars behind a fake

450
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: wall that was in the back of a closet of

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00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: a drug lord. And the defense attorney through a fit

452
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Speaker 1: when I brought the dog into the courtroom, and I remember, oh,

453
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: this really burned him up. When I said, don't worry,

454
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: you'll have a full opportunity to cross examine the dog anyway,

455
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: I thought that was incredibly funny. He did not great.

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00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: I want you to hear what Priscilla Pressley said as

457
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: she addressed the Animal Control Board back on July twenty eight. Listen,

458
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 1: she actually has many vocal community supporters because of her

459
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: ten years of being a fixture around town with her

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00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: last runner. You realize, however, and agree with Animal Control

461
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: that reach turning there, there is not an appropriate alternative

462
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: based on the story there. Chiba will need both national

463
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: and physical rehabilitation African finement for a full year in

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Speaker 1: the shelter. We will ensure that those arrangements are provided

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Speaker 1: for in constant with a rescue organize invasion. I personally

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00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: want to assure you that our efforts to restore Shuba

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00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: to well being and at the same time safeguard the

468
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: public will be carried out in the safetest and most

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Speaker 1: official men are possible. You may defend about it, and

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00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: I give you my word with the people of San

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00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: Ferenttino County will never need to be concerned that she

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00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: will be a threat to anyone in this county or

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Speaker 1: actually any other county as well. You know, Priscilla Pressley,

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Speaker 1: with all of your fame and celebrity status and everything

475
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: you have going on in your life, tell me why

476
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: you care so much about Sheba and why you went

477
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: in front of this animal control board begging for her

478
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: life Because I care, Nancy. I love animals. I loved

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00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: all the animals, to be honest with you. They have

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00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: every right to live on this planet as we do.

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00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: And when I heard this story, I couldn't help but

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00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: get involved. I heard the story from my friend who

483
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 1: has the drug rescue in the Big Island of Hawaii,

484
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: and she's the one who told me about the story

485
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: and asked me if I could help in any way.

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00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: And when I heard that, there's no doubt. Of course.

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00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: She knows that that when I believe in something, you know,

488
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: I take it to heart and I'll do my very

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Speaker 1: best to get it done. And when I met Patty,

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00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: it was so my god, it was very difficult to

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00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: not just hug him, because there's a streaming down in

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00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: space that he loved his drug so much. But the

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00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: mere fact that the dog is not an officious animal,

494
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: and to have this county do this to her, you know,

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00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: it's it's cruel and it's literally I'm really having doubts

496
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: about this whole, this whole Tamberg, you know, County board.

497
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's the unthinkable to confine it.

498
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: Confined Sheba over a year now and this five by

499
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: five cage and have her wine and cry? Where is

500
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: the where's the human touch here? Where is the care?

501
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: Where is he? And this is a shelter. This makes

502
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: me think about how many other animals that are there.

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00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: They're being mistreated. To Angie Wood, the Atlanta Dog whisperer

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00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: at usknine dot com, Angie, I understand that if her

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00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: life is spared that she will have to have rehab.

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00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: Why is she being kept like that in a cage

507
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: and not let out? I don't understand because quite frankly,

508
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: that type of confinement typically is reserved for a rabies protocol,

509
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: not just for housing a dog, and for her type

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00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: of situations. So this is animal couldn't you cruelty at

511
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: its worst, not only physically but psychologically? And a year?

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00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: This is insane. We let people out for an hour

513
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: a day in prison, right, So it is absolutely insane

514
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: and so um we do operate a rehab center here

515
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: in the Atlanta area that specializes in exactly this type

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00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: of thing. Sheba does not seem to be a severe

517
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: case to me at all, and in fact, you know

518
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: we are in Atlanta on the other side of the country.

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00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: If we can get them to release Sheba, sheepa could

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00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: come live with Well. The fact is that the muscles

521
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: atrophy sitting there, and she won't be able to get

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00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: up and run and be any She'll be a shadow

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00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: of the dog that she was. And that's if she

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Speaker 1: gets saved. Bruce Crieder Puppy Coalition Emil writes activist saving Sheba.

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Speaker 1: Question to you, Bruce, why are they doing this? Well,

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Speaker 1: I've heard some people say they just want another notch

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00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: in their belt. What I kind of believe that they

528
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: just want another notch in their belt, meaning they want

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00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: to win and that that's what's important to them. Now

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00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: people are saying that, I'm not saying I believe that,

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Speaker 1: but I kind of don't doubt it. Let me. I'd

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00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: like to get on to a point that Priscilla started

533
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: to make about the other dogs owners and them not

534
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: wanting to be killed. I have four pages from the

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Speaker 1: community where she's from, where the community members that have

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00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: known her for ten years have vouched for her. I

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00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: mean four pages of names and signatures and phone numbers,

538
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: So that should say something. The second thing, if I've

539
00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: got time. Is the legal department strategy has been to

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00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: avoid any dialogue that could detract from them from their

541
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: goal of killing Sheba, you know, and keeping quiet and

542
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: limiting the court conversation to the hearing officers proclamation that

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00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: she would be killed because their owner is not compliant,

544
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: and so they're trying to minimize any kind of extra

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00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: dialogue or anything else. And then they tell the board

546
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: you can't get involved in as you can't talk about it.

547
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: So you know, what people hate is a bureaucracy. Long

548
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: story short, I don't get the thinking behind the divorcee

549
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: shelter because apparently many people russ Alba have come forward

550
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: offering to take in Sheba. She's had one dog fight,

551
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: then she escaped again from eighty year old Peppie's house.

552
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: Who I don't think you can see that. Well, she

553
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: escaped and now they're going to give her the death

554
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 1: penalty after one dog fight. The obligation of the County

555
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: of San Bernardino is to add in the best interests

556
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: of the public safety of the citizens of San Bernardino County.

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00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: In this case, we've got a solution that completely eliminates

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00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: any risk to the county of San Bernardino, California. We've

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00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: offered to take she out of the county, out of

560
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,479
Speaker 1: the state, and put her in to rescue someplace where

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00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,760
Speaker 1: she can find a forever home and live out her life.

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00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: There is zero public interest in killing this dog except

563
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: the political whims and the and the lack of responsiveness

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Speaker 1: of the San Bernardino County government. You know, when you said,

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00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: russ Alba, this has a lot to do with the

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00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: political wins. You know, I hate politics, I really do.

567
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: Right now, I don't want to be what do you

568
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: mean by that? I mean the politicians need to be

569
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: responsive to the electorate, to the people that they serve.

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00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: And in this case, and we can we can argue

571
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: about left and right and Democrat and Republicans were and

572
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: we're not going to. But the point is that politicians

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00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: and elected officials and county officials who are often appointed,

574
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: need to act in the best interests of their constituents

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00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: and in the best interest of public safety and health

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00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: of their communities. And there is no compelling reason to

577
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: kill this dog. All it is. It's testimony to the

578
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: lack of responsiveness, lack of sensitivity to animal rescue in

579
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: that county. In that shelter and it's wrong and it's

580
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: up to people like us to fight for dogs like she.

581
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: But she's just one dog of many that are in DeVore.

582
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: They're going to be able to kill plenty, don't worry.

583
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: But this one spoke to us as being a particularly

584
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: egregious case and one that highlights the malfees. And so

585
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: this county government, No, it disturbs me. And of course

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00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: pardon the punt, but you don't have a dog in

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00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: the fight album. You live in Florida. Your law firm,

588
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: Black Swan Law, is in Florida. This is no skin

589
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: off your back age. Just every every every dog matters

590
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: to me. You know what is every piece of injustice

591
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: and every every act of senseless cruelty affects all of us,

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00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: no matter where it happens. And as you know, in

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00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: point of fact, Nancy, I'm still a California lawyer, having

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00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: practiced in Los Angeles for many years. So my part

595
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 1: of my heart stays in southern California, and it troubles

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00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: me to see a California government, as a portion of

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00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: the state government of California, act in this inhumane, unresponsive

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00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: and uncaring way. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're

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00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: talking about a sweet and loving German shepherd who got

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00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: into one fight with another dog and as now getting

601
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: the death penalty. Has never been a person got out

602
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: of the home a second time, did not bite anybody else,

603
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: didn't bite another dog. One dog fight is ending up

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00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 1: in the death penalty for Sheba. I found out about

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00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: Sheba's case through our friend Russ Alba, managing director of

606
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: black Swan Law in Florida, and at first I thought

607
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: there had to be a catch. I couldn't believe it.

608
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: But it's exactly as he said to you. Daryl Cohen,

609
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: former assistant DA in Fulton, now defense attorney and civil

610
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: attorney in the Atlanta jurisdiction, Daryl Cohen, could you give

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00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: me any reason why the county attorney who won't be

612
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: on with us today? And if you could give me

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00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: that letter from the county attorney denying our request to

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00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: come on, why not rehouse Shiba? Nancy. I am very

615
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,240
Speaker 1: concerned with Shiba, as you knew I would be, having

616
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: said that we do not know all of the facts, Priscilla,

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00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: with all due respect, we were talking about a shepherd

618
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: that went after a little dog yapping or not. And

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Speaker 1: I've been the owner of dogs. I have two now,

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Speaker 1: So why is he talking? He ought to say, I

621
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Speaker 1: can't say anything. There's a way of saying, no comment myself.

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00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 1: Why not addressed it. It's not why there's going to

623
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Speaker 1: be a jury trial that he's going to poison a

624
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: jury pool, because it's a jury of public opinion and

625
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: nobody in the public that's not covered in the law

626
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: or ethics what other people might say about you. Sorry,

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00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead, miss Brod. I want to know

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00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: what can you please repeat that when you said that

629
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Speaker 1: you're sorry that I don't know some of the facts.

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00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: I do know the facts, just M. Bruce said earlier.

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Speaker 1: He's got he's got four pages of people in that

632
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 1: town cluster Running Springs that love that dog. That dog

633
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 1: for ten years, so she's now eleven because she's been

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00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: in their year. They know that dog and they are

635
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: signing that she is not a dangerous dog. So don't

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Speaker 1: say I don't know anything about it. You don't know

637
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: all of the facts. And if you knew all of

638
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 1: the facts. For instance, people are saying, as I asked

639
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,280
Speaker 1: them early on, what size was the dog? Big difference

640
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about the other dog, Sir,

641
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about the small dog. The

642
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 1: dog all dollar was a one that was attacked. Yeah,

643
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about one dog. Doesn't know.

644
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: I can tell you the size it was the docks.

645
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: What do you mean that it doesn't matter what side

646
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: the dog is. It certainly does, because if a large

647
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: dog gets in a fight with another large dog, you say, okay,

648
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: you're two alphas, but golge dog dog, that is not acceptable,

649
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: just not acceptable. Sorry, if you have dogs, If you

650
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: have dogs, they feel bad for them because you have

651
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: no understand I wouldn't feel bad for her. They have

652
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: a life, the best luxury I've had her forever. And

653
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: I'm glad well been in that case. Darrol Cohen of

654
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: one got out and started a fight with the docks,

655
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: and I guess he'd be okay with you if you

656
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: got the death penalty. If he did it a second time,

657
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,839
Speaker 1: then there's Sheba didn't do it a second time. All

658
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: she did the second time was escape. And another thing,

659
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: there are alternatives here. So many people have offered to

660
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: take Sheba, isn't that true? Cried er. Other people will

661
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: take Sheba away from the area, and rehab her and

662
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: keep tabs on her. What more do they want? Do

663
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: they just want to kill the dog? Well, you're exactly right, Nancy.

664
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: Right now there's a local attorney working a pro boner,

665
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: a pro bono basis for this case. She's put together

666
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: a complete package of for any one of three rescue

667
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: groups in the area to that the county can pick from.

668
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: That assigned written agreements for lifetime maintenance of Shiba, and

669
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 1: a series of other provisions for rehab, assurances and liability

670
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: waivers to assure San Bernio County that they would never

671
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: be liable. I want you to hear, Bruce cried or

672
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: as he addresses the Animal Control Board, and this is

673
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: amazing to me. Listen. Hearing was filed a boy a

674
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 1: year ago, last July, and then on July eighteenth, mister

675
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 1: Vick providing hearing Officer Rhoder, you letter to Shiba's honor.

676
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm worrying Sheba to be destroyed per San Bernno County

677
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: Code Titles Redivision two, Chapter fourteen Savons three to two

678
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 1: point or you know seven, because allowing you to maintain

679
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 1: destody so Sheba would create a significant threat public cult

680
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: safety and Wilfred, Well, there are a few problems with that. First,

681
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: nowhere was it required that Sheba, she was only attorney

682
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: for a living existence, be with her own her former

683
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: nine pod owner. She clearly could have gone to a

684
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: rescue rootlet so many other dogs most every day. A Second,

685
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: there was never a finding that Sheba cannot be her

686
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: home rehomed. Third, euthanizing Sheba's contrary to your own policies, Satan,

687
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: I don't have the time, but there are several different

688
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: Boom State and counting policies that speak to the merit

689
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: of minimizing euthanization and utilizing the rescue organizations. You know,

690
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: I want to go to Penny Douglas for Atlanta attorney,

691
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: a criminal defense attorney and animal rights lawyer. Penny, isn't

692
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: it true? The law says that they are to consider

693
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: rehoming Sheba before killing her. And there's no mention and

694
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: all of these legalleries that they ever have even considered

695
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: rehalming her after one dog bite on another dog for

696
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: Pete's sake. It is my understanding that their law in

697
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: California says that if this can be rehabbed, they're not

698
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: allowed to euthanizer. That's why this prosecutor is not talking

699
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: to you. That's right, because he knows he's not following

700
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: the law and he doesn't want to respond to that.

701
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: And as the public opinion if he's correct, wouldn't it

702
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: be better did he respond if he wants public opinion

703
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: on his thought. I hear you jumping am as Pressley,

704
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: go ahead, Yeah, I haven't here. It's the Kinade divergence

705
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: from state. Last. Section seventeen zero five of the California

706
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: Code states, in the first sentence of the first subdivision,

707
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: it is the policy of the state that no adoptive

708
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: animal should be euthanized if it can be adopted to

709
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: a suitable home. It is the state. It is a

710
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: policy of the state that no treatable animals should be euthanized.

711
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: A treatable animals shell include any animal that is not adoptable,

712
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: so that could become a doctable with reasonable efforts. But

713
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: about that, Daryl Cohen, you're a law pause of silence

714
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: as he's thinking, Oh, and you're gonna have lawlaws of

715
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: silence because the reality is he's doing, as a lawyer,

716
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: exactly what he should do, saying no comment because I

717
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: cannot comment totally. Lawyers every day. But we've got a

718
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: dog who it's very sad. But Peppe obviously was incapable

719
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: of taking care of the dog. I can't disagree with that, Nancy.

720
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, dogs, cause you can't address it,

721
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: I'm addressing it's been around, been around, the dog's been

722
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 1: around place what Priscilla, she has been around other dogs,

723
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,439
Speaker 1: the city, the town that she's found that Peppe is from.

724
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: Peppy walks the dog, she has friends, they go in stores.

725
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: It's never she's never tried to bite anyone. After one

726
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: dog fight, Panny Sheba, he's going to be killed. I

727
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 1: don't even say euthanized or put down, because that's sugarcoating,

728
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: airbrushing the truth. They're going to kill her over one

729
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: dog fight and because they got mad at her own owner,

730
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: eighty year old Peppe Penny. What can we do? And

731
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: it's in the dog's nature to fight, that's what they do.

732
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: They are hierarchical animals. They will fight over position. All

733
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: dogs will fight in the right in the right situation.

734
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: So you should never kill a dog for what it

735
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,760
Speaker 1: does by instinct. That's what is just so wrong. She's

736
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: shown no aggression to human beings. And if you think

737
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: she's an issue with other dogs, she can be adopted

738
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: into a family without dogs. That's very simple. A lot

739
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,720
Speaker 1: of people only want one dog. Is that true, Angie

740
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: Wood or in that hall, Angie Wood? Is that true?

741
00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: Can this dog be rehabilitated. She's had one fight. For

742
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: Pete's sake, the dog can absolutely be rehabilitated. I have

743
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: dealt with thousands and thousands of these types of dogs,

744
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: and she does not sound severe to me at all.

745
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: It sounds to me like she got out her adrenaline

746
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,399
Speaker 1: was a bit high, and they tend to act on that.

747
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: She has friends, for God's sake, that are dogs, and

748
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: there is hope for every dog. They just need to

749
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: be matched with the right human. And a single family

750
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: or a single dog family is certainly an option for

751
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: a dog who may be able to fight you with

752
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 1: other dogs. Russ Russ Alba. This is a very different

753
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: hat for me to wear, because typically hate me or not,

754
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: I get involved in animal cases when, for instance, a

755
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: child or a person has been mauled by, for instance,

756
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: a rottweiller, and some usually taking a side against a

757
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: dangerous animal. But in this case, I don't believe that's true.

758
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: I think that Sheba got into a dog fight, just

759
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: like my little dog tries every single time we take

760
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: it for a walk, he has a ground or somebody,

761
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: not a person, always another dog. That's what nobody's been

762
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: nobody's been scratched. Nothing you got, she got one dog fight.

763
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: Where's the public interest in killing Shiva? What does it do?

764
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: How does it help San Bernardino County? How does it

765
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 1: protect anybody? Sheba's not a dangerous dog. What do they

766
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: have against Peppy? It seems to me that when I

767
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 1: heard russ Alba that one of the employees at divorce said,

768
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,720
Speaker 1: we're going to teach him a lesson. They were talking

769
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 1: about PEPPI why about an eighty year old man? Why

770
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: do you want to teach him a lesson? He's literally crying.

771
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: If if that statement is true, and I don't know

772
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: that it is. Um it's it's just it's just further

773
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: evidence that the that the county government is enacting in

774
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: the best interest of it, of its constituents, of its

775
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: populace um. And it's now become really a power struggle,

776
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: and the County of San Bernardino will not be told

777
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: what to do, will not be dictated to by happy

778
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: by local animal animal rescue groups, by national animal rescue groups,

779
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: and certainly not by the media and malcontents like Nancy Grace.

780
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: You know, oh, thank you, russ Us. But very often

781
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: we think of when you hear the word dogcatcher or

782
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: pound and has so many horrible connotations. And there's a

783
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: reason for that. The thought that she hasn't been kept

784
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: in this cage for over a year now, where there

785
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: are people begging to home her. I can't understand why

786
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: they dug in their heels. Why is that the mystery

787
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: of me? But it's up to us to speak up

788
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: to this injustice, to this in humanity, to this cruelty

789
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: on behalf of Sheba and other dons like her. Again,

790
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: I usually don't take on the cause of a pet

791
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: because I've got my hands full with missing children, yeah,

792
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: and felony crimes on people. But when I looked at

793
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: this dog, Sheba, and she looked at me through the camera,

794
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: And when that day comes that they put her to sleep,

795
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: that is going to be an injustice. And you know what,

796
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: russ As I've told Mimi, a jury we are judged,

797
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: not on who wins what court battle, or what we

798
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: have in our four oh one k or who we

799
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 1: got it over on or who we got the best of.

800
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: We are judged by how we treat those that are

801
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: the weakest in our world, in our society, and that

802
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: is why we have rules to protect the weak against

803
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: those more powerful or more cunning than they are. And

804
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: the thoughts that day will come and Sheba will be

805
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: put to death, It's just wrong, and it speaks to kay.

806
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: I'd like to speak to it this way and a

807
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: little bit differently. While Sheba is very important to me

808
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: personally and to a whole lot of other people personally,

809
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: whether Sheba loves or dies is probably not a matter

810
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: of global consequence. But what this is about is who

811
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: we are as a people, what we do, how we

812
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: treat the least powerful and the voiceless in our communities,

813
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 1: and then includes animals. And if we can do this

814
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: to Sheba, we can do this to other other creatures

815
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: and people. So this is a test of our character

816
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: and that's why we fight for dogs like Sheba. Final

817
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: word to Miss Pressley, I want to thank everyone for

818
00:52:56,160 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: being with us, But Miss Presley, you know with all

819
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: you have going on in your life. You take time

820
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: to save Shiba. That means a lot to me that

821
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: you care. And you and Bruce Kryder on the panel

822
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: today have gone to the Animal Control Board. You've led

823
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: the fight. Tell us what we can do to help

824
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: you and Bruce. Okay, I'll jump in. Well, there are

825
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: probably three phone numbers that you might want to write down.

826
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 1: First of all, Gary McBride is the chief executive of

827
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: the county. His telephone number is nine zero nine three

828
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 1: eight seven five four one seven. Then I'll give you

829
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: the Chairman of the County Board. His name is Kurt Hagman.

830
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,359
Speaker 1: His number is nine O nine three eight seven four

831
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 1: eight sixty six. And then the Chief Legal Council, not

832
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 1: the not the lead council on this case, but the

833
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: Chief Legal Council is Michelle lake Or. Her number is

834
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: nine O nine three eight seven three eight four one.

835
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: We also have a website that's it's kind of a

836
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: minor website, but it's Savingsba dot org that we gives

837
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: a lot of the detail so that the people want

838
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: to visit that. That that's the answer right there, Saving

839
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 1: Sheba sh e Ba dot org, Saving dash Sheba dot org.

840
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: You know what. I usually cover cases that involve human victims,

841
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: but I don't like any wrongdoing, any injustice. We still

842
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 1: have time to turn this around if we work together.

843
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: Please help us, Please help us safe. Yeah, she thank you.

844
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: And when I think of Pepe going on eighty one

845
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: years old crying, this is reminds me a lot of

846
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: my dad. Tell you the truth. Please help us save

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Speaker 1: this dog nine zero nine three eight four five one

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Speaker 1: three three or go to saving dash Sheba dot org.

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Speaker 1: Thank you everyone for joining us today and we wait

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Speaker 1: God willing as justice on false. Goodbye