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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George

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Speaker 1: Norri with you. Let me tell you a little bit

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Speaker 1: about our guest, Paul Wallace, a researcher, speaker, author of

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Speaker 1: a number of books on spirituality and mysticism. He researches

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Speaker 1: the world's mythologies for how they speak to our origins,

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Speaker 1: our species, and our potential today as humans. In the

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Speaker 1: eighties and nineties, Paul's work centered on establishing foundations for

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Speaker 1: new faith communities. Over the last twenty plus years, he

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Speaker 1: has designed and delivered training for church ministries in the

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Speaker 1: United Kingdom and Australia. In Australia, Paul has lectured on

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Speaker 1: the history of religious thought and also interpreting texts including

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Speaker 1: the Bible, and has served the Anglican Church as an

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Speaker 1: archdeacon in the Australian Capital Territory as well. Paul, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the program again today, George. It's wonderful to be

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Speaker 1: with you again. Right to let me tell you how

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Speaker 1: honored I was to write a snippet for your book

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Speaker 1: which you used on the cover. Absolutely I loved what

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Speaker 1: you said. George, Thank you so much for that, because

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Speaker 1: your words probing deep into the power of the mind

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Speaker 1: to do incredible things. That really is where the book goes.

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Speaker 1: That's the nub of what Echoes of Eden is all about.

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Speaker 1: So you nailed it with that quote, and I'm really

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Speaker 1: grateful for it. Well, and you've nailed it again with

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Speaker 1: another great book. So how do you keep doing this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, my gosh, your knowledge is immense. I think

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Speaker 1: it's great sources I've learned through my research for the

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Speaker 1: Eden series where to go to sit at the feet

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Speaker 1: of elders and guardians of ancient cultures and initiation traditions,

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Speaker 1: and that is such a rich source. But I also

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Speaker 1: bring my background with me thirty years in church based ministry,

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Speaker 1: translating ancient texts, interpreting texts, and I find when I

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Speaker 1: put those things together, it really is a dynamite. And

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Speaker 1: I'm just on a continual learning journey and sharing the

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Speaker 1: journey as I go. Paula, your first couple of books,

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Speaker 1: of course, since escaping from Eden, the Scars of Eden,

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Speaker 1: talk about memories of et contact. Explain that what happened, well,

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Speaker 1: I got into the field through Bible translation and certain

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Speaker 1: keywords through up some anomalies in the text, and any

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Speaker 1: When I drilled down into the root meanings of keywords,

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Speaker 1: root meanings, a whole different story emerges. And rather than

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Speaker 1: the familiar story of God creating us, we have stories

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Speaker 1: of Pedeo contact with all different kinds of entities. And

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Speaker 1: when I retranslated the texts using the root meanings, and

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Speaker 1: narratives from out of ancient Sumeria, Babylonia, Arcadia, and Assyria.

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Speaker 1: But then you can go to Africa, you can get

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Speaker 1: these same stories repeat and the details that occur are incredible.

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Speaker 1: And it was really the correlation of those details that

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Speaker 1: to it. Cultures all around the world who had no

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Speaker 1: and they are memories of eat contact. And of course

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Speaker 1: the third book in the Echoes of Eden, the brand

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Speaker 1: Echoes of Eden. When I was researching Escaping from Eden

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Speaker 1: as you listen to ancestral narratives, you realize that stories

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Speaker 1: about human origins are completely intertwined with stories of pedeo contact,

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Speaker 1: stories of the human race being nurtured and helped to

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Speaker 1: of people who have higher information access to other powers, well,

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Speaker 1: that's not very manageable, and empowered individuals don't usually go

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Speaker 1: So you can think about what happened to Jesus as

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