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Speaker 1: Kickoff live here on Giants dot Com. As always, the

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Speaker 1: number to call is two oh one nine four five

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Speaker 1: PAULI dots Paul to Tino and isn't it a wonderful thing?

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Speaker 1: Also sitting at the controls, I must say, is Dave

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Speaker 1: Dominic And isn't it a wonderful thing? Paully? Happy Tuesdays

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Speaker 1: when you're coming in with victories. Isn't it a wonderful thing?

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Speaker 1: We can sit back, relax, enjoy the phone calls, have

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Speaker 1: a good time. But listen, Uh, the team is U

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Speaker 1: has a certainly different look than to what they were

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Speaker 1: it has been to me the improved play of the

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Speaker 1: for a good year and a half well justifiably so,

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Speaker 1: without question, they deserved it, but now they've moved it up.

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Speaker 1: It is incredibly rare that a new part can come

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Speaker 1: a huge difference, but that's only half the story. Spencer

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Speaker 1: The interior line has just become so much better with

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Speaker 1: And did you you did the show yesterday, David? You didn't. Okay,

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Speaker 1: This was the first time all season that the Giants

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Speaker 1: could that be if they gave up three sacks. No,

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Speaker 1: the sacks were isolated instances. Now, if you include that,

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Speaker 1: it's not effort, it's execution. As coach Sherman would bristle

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Speaker 1: Let's open up the phone lines right now. Head up

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Speaker 1: Thanks Giving to you and yours Chris. What can we do?

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Speaker 1: I actually hired a couple of kids that went to

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Speaker 1: the very least he deserves the chance to compete for

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Speaker 1: the starting job next year. Now, Wheeler to me might

429
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: wind up being a really good backup for them. I

430
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know necessarily that he's got enough

431
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 1: to be a starter going into next season. I think

432
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: you would you would want to try to upgrade that.

433
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: And that is not an insult to him in any way,

434
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 1: but he certainly has a ceiling. There are limited things

435
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,760
Speaker 1: that he's going to be able to do for you.

436
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: And and to be honest, if the Giants are really

437
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: going to run the ball more going forward and into

438
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, they'll need more of a road grader

439
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: at right tackle. Reeler right now is just a scrapper

440
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 1: and a fighter, and he's doing everything he can just

441
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 1: to hold his own and to hold the line of scrimmage.

442
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: And I appreciate that. You've got to applaud a guy

443
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: like that. Coaches love guys like that, okay, but that

444
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean it doesn't make you automatically. He's not

445
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: Karine mackenzie, you know, And that's really what the Giants need.

446
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: They needed Karee Mackenzie in that spot. Yeah, And David

447
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: Deal talks about how kare Mackenzie solidified that amazing line.

448
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: Actually had done a bunch of reading about Wheeler. I

449
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: found he played hurt in college, but I didn't know

450
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: he was hurt last year. He didn't get a very

451
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: good football Focus grade. But you know that's not everything. Anyway,

452
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: that's good info, thank you. You know. My hope is, um,

453
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: the guy can make it work, because I did read

454
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: a lot of positives about him. So just like I

455
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: said a couple of points before getting onto Shermer one,

456
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: is you know earlier this year Sake one had a

457
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: like a four point three yards per carry average and

458
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 1: his average yards before contact was minus point three. And

459
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: now we see what the guy can do with you know,

460
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: even reasonably good blocking. He's just the terror. Second point is,

461
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: you know what I see from Eli Manning is a

462
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Speaker 1: guy can who can still win as a champion ship.

463
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys pointed out there were a bunch

464
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Speaker 1: of callers screaming for his head. You guys pointed out

465
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: what happened to Russell Wilson getting sack six times, not

466
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: being able to win a game. I mean, no quarterback

467
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: performs when he's constantly under siege and can't get them,

468
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 1: you know, has two seconds. I can still want us

469
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 1: a championship. I'm still a huge fan, and I hope

470
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: that the last two games will quiet some of the idiots.

471
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: That are so quick to just draw them up controversy

472
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: and write him off because I think the man can play. Well. Listen,

473
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: you're you're preaching to the choir right here. I mean

474
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Speaker 1: you know that, I mean to me, and it's I've

475
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: said it all along. It's been hypocritical. Okay, it's been

476
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: absolutely hypocritical, and I'll go back to it. Then you

477
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: can get onto your question about Sherman and Getleman Mike.

478
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: The same guys, the same same members of the media

479
00:27:54,040 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: last year when Eli was being benched, the same the

480
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: same people who were in an uproar over Eli being benched.

481
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: The reason they were in an uproar they didn't give

482
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: a raspetuity about Eli. It gave them a chance to

483
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: go after Ben Macado, who they didn't like, so so

484
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: they went after Eli. Then forget the one in seven

485
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 1: after two losses, after two losses this year, it was,

486
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, we need a new quarterback. Get him

487
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: to hell out. The Giants made a mistake. They shouldn't

488
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: have after say Kwan, they should have got Donald or whatever.

489
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: Am I right? It was the same thing, So that

490
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: that's just hypocrisy. But anyway points been made, you myself

491
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: and Paulie agreed. Mike, what else you got for us? Well,

492
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: I guess, um, yeah, by the way, thank you. But

493
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: you know, I guess um, my my mother thing is

494
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: just caused for optimism and this, this is what I

495
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: want to bring out bout Sherman and Gentleman. One of

496
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: the frustrations I think a lot of fans have had

497
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: over the past, you know, several years where we've just

498
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: kind of watched the Giants roster deterior in the offensive

499
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: line underperform. Is this feeling like, um, that management of

500
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: the Giants was content to just kind of dig in

501
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: with the roster that we had, just kinda say, these

502
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: are our guys, we think they're good enough. Coach has

503
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: got to make it work. Whatever. But just this, even

504
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: with the coaching, you know, not moving guys and trying combinations,

505
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: that is not what I'm seeing now. I mean, you

506
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: said four different compicientes on the offensive, and well not

507
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: only that, but I mean, look what Gentleman is doing.

508
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's you know, he we we I

509
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: understand when he made some mistakes, but you know he

510
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: you know, he's cutting guys that don't work out. I

511
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: mean the offensive line. It's real obvious because everybody wants

512
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: to you know, can see oh mom a and Flowers

513
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: and the fact that they cut him and moved on

514
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: and brought in Brown, phenomenal broad In, Spencer Poe, Spencer Pulley.

515
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: Good move. But I think like for me, you look

516
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: at um the fullback. You know, we had what was

517
00:29:54,960 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 1: his name, Justin Smith something Smith and sat Smith. Right,

518
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: So he's been on the you know, two years on

519
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: the team. He played a couple of games, missed his assignments,

520
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: missed the box just you know, nothing happened all of

521
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, Elijah Penny is then work with Penny's doing.

522
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: You're seeing all these multiple running back formation. The bottom

523
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: line is guys aren't performing in this stuff. No knock

524
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: against them, everybody, all these guys that give him credit,

525
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: they spent their lives getting the NFL. I want everybody

526
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: to succeed. But the bottom line is, you know, if

527
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: they're not succeeding, these guys are making a move. They're

528
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: trying new people that flexibility, that intelligence, and that desire

529
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,479
Speaker 1: to just continue to move and get better and not

530
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: dig your feet in with your ego tied into a mistake.

531
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Speaker 1: You made. That's a great reason for optimism going forward.

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00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely agree with you. All right, Mike, thank you very much,

533
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: Thank you very very important to note um by the way,

534
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: when when talking about, you know, the quarterback position and all,

535
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: you know, everybody needs some protection, everybody needs a run game, etcetera, etcetera.

536
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: I think we all believe that Carson Wentz is an

537
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: outstanding quarterback, right, get no argument from me. Okay, what

538
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: happened the other day against the Saints, no run game,

539
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: no past protection, has the worst game of his career,

540
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: throws three of deceptions, no touchdowns, and all of a

541
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: sudden he looks like dog meat. I mean, that's just

542
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: the way it is in this game. Everything is so

543
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: tied together. The foolishness of people to want to hang

544
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: and crucify a quarterback just because he was unable to

545
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: rise above the fifteen hurdles that were put in front

546
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: of him on a given Sunday is laughable. What have

547
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: we said? What have I said till I'm blew in

548
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: the face? This is the best place in the world

549
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: to win, and it is the most god awful place

550
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: in the world to look. It is it is, and

551
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: and you know, Pete Pool. And it's more so, you know,

552
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: I'll say it. We're members of the media, but it's

553
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: more so than ever before where people just have agendas

554
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: and and the agenda this and it still exists because

555
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: I read the papers on Monday and and and today. Okay,

556
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: it still exists. It's almost like ELI went seventeen for

557
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: eighteen and just as they did the week ago. There's

558
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,280
Speaker 1: still like begrudgingly phrasing Eli when one of the papers

559
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: had him is he was the unsung hero this week, unsunk.

560
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: Here he was seventeen for eighteen, two t d s

561
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: and unsung. No, no, I mean, come on, but that's

562
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. And by the way,

563
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: one other comment, he was talking about the offensive line

564
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: and and and and running backs. I was talking to

565
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: Otis Anderson and Rodney Hampton and Joe Morris about se

566
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: Kwon Barkley and they just absolutely adore the kids talent

567
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: and I and I asked each one of them, what

568
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: if he had one of those super Bowl caliber offensive

569
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: lines in front of him from the get go, what

570
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: do you think? And and none of these guys could

571
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: even imagine the kind of numbers and staggering performances he

572
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: could put up. I don't think it's out of the question.

573
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: If he had like the Suburban Nights that Joe Morris

574
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: had in which Kwon Barkley could run for two thousand yards.

575
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: I really believe that. I'm not doubting anything about Sin

576
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: Kwan bark No. No. I mean we're talking about a kid.

577
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: You know. I don't want to put the malak on him.

578
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: But I mean, if Sae Kjuan Barkley guff a bit,

579
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: unless the guff a bit, he gets hurt. This kid's

580
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, running his way to uh fame and fortune

581
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 1: at and in the Hall of Fame. Let's scope to

582
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: our But well, before I do it, I gotta remind

583
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: everybody that Big Blue Kickoff Live here is presented by

584
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: Corps Light. Download the Coors Light Rewards app to win

585
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: yourself Amazing Giants prizes throughout this season. Just to reminder,

586
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: as we were talking, Paul, no Big Blue Kickoff Live

587
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: on this Thursday, So everybody enjoyed their Thanksgiving and including

588
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: the crew here. And then uh for sure we're here

589
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: tomorrow and we'll be back on somebody will be back

590
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: with you on on Friday. Actually, I think it will

591
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: be me there you go. Yeah, yeah, it's good that

592
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: you know your own schedule. I'm very pretty two. Oh,

593
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: I know, I know Lenny from Columbia, Maryland is also

594
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 1: clicking his heels today and for a good reason, am

595
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: I right? Lennon absolutely happy Thanksgiving buddies. Thank you. Yeah yeah, yeah, listen,

596
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: Uh you know, progress two in a row home when uh,

597
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: you know we're clicking along, We're you know, we're building

598
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: up here, building building a little momentum. I got a

599
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: got a division game on Sunday. I know it's on

600
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: the road, but uh, it's gonna be a lot of

601
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 1: fun down there. We've won down there, go down there

602
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: and play hard, right to the right to the final

603
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: whistle and check the scoreboard. I think it's gonna be

604
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: a good one. Yeah. This is um. You know, it's

605
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: been you know, it's been nice and you know, to

606
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: capitalize on what the previous caller said, and he really

607
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: made some good points. One of the things that I'm

608
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: most excited about. It looks like things are settling down.

609
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: I mean, and not just because of the two wins,

610
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: but you know, it was almost like we had an

611
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: extended training camp. I mean, we were running two or

612
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: three guys onto the rossa every week during during the season.

613
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: You know, you commit to these guys for the second

614
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: half of the season. You know, we're in this together. Guys,

615
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: let's go win some games. I think that goes a

616
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: long way. You know, the Rosser has kind of settled.

617
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: We did the purging, we got incremental improvement, you know,

618
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: in some positions. But now we know settled down. Let's

619
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: go out there and play football the next six weeks. Well,

620
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: let me let me make something real clear here and again,

621
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 1: the number of sixteen in terms of guys we're still

622
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: around from last year's team. The turnover has been immense.

623
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: But let's let's make something very clear. And Jamon Brown

624
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: understood it when he got here off of waivers from

625
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: the Rams a couple of weeks ago. We talked to

626
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: him at his locker right away and said, well, there's

627
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: an opportunity here, right and and and he gets it,

628
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: and I think everybody else in that locker room gets

629
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: it too, because now that they're trying to gel together

630
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: as one roster, as one team, as one unit, and

631
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: they've got their their mission right in front of them,

632
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: and that is get better, start to show that we

633
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: can win games so that when Dave Gettleman sits down

634
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: at the end of the calendar year, he says, you

635
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: know what, this guy, this guy, this guy, this got

636
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: these guys can help us win games, so they can

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00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: be part of the answer in two thousand nineteen. You know,

638
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: it really ticks me off for us and Len bear

639
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 1: with me half a second for the morons. And I'm

640
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna use that word. I'm gonna be harsh, folks. I

641
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: don't like to do this, but I'm gonna be harsh.

642
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: Say go ahead, lose as many games as you can.

643
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: These two wings are terrible because you're gonna hurt the

644
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: draft pick. That is the most ridiculous thing you could

645
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: possibly say, because you know, you know why I agree

646
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: with you. Don't why I'm wring to think it. You know,

647
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: Deal had a good point last week. There was a

648
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: caller who called in and expressed that view. You know,

649
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: I just want him to lose games so we get

650
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 1: a better draft pick. And David David said to him.

651
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: David said to him, listen, do you feel better after

652
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: a win or after a long Well, here's the thing.

653
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: If if they if they were to continue to lose games.

654
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: Then Dave Gentelman would have to look at this roster

655
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: at the end of the year and say, well, there's

656
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 1: hardly anybody here who's part of the solution. I gotta

657
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: clean out house for a second year in a row,

658
00:37:55,160 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 1: and then you would have I agree, I agree. Hey,

659
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: let me let me say something. Uh you guys, I

660
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: was glad you brought up special teams. Are you know

661
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: these first ten weeks um special teams have been really

662
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: good and it's not your I mean, the kickers are

663
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: doing a good job. But you know, you look in

664
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: the returns. This guy Coleman, he looks like he's got

665
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 1: a feel for that job. It looks when the hole

666
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: is there, he's got a burst. Not everybody has that,

667
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: but it looks like he's got a burst to get

668
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: through that hole. And you know those runs he's made,

669
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: He's made some really good returns under these new rules.

670
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: And you know it takes good blocking to do that,

671
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: and to cover the kicks the way they're covering. It

672
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: takes good tackling by some guys. And let me single

673
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: out a guy. I know he got hurt on Sunday.

674
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: I hope he can play this coming Sunday he's in

675
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: concussion protocol. Kerry Win, Harry Win is a terrific special

676
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 1: team on both sides. I mean blocking and you know,

677
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,320
Speaker 1: running down to the kick and you know, making a tackle.

678
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: He's he's really valuable guy. Yeah, the special teams have

679
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: improved dramatically. Well, yeah, the two the two kickers have

680
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: been good all season. But the addition, there's no question

681
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: about that. The additions a little deeper. Pleased with the kickers.

682
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: I just wanted to go a little deeper and say,

683
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you know you need kick coverage, and

684
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: no question, no question, But the addition and Henderson general,

685
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: we wonder why the guy only gets to the sixtheen

686
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: we len honestly, no, Henderson and Coleman are are legit

687
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 1: return guys. Henderson knows how to deal with punts. Coleman

688
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: clearly knows how to deal with kickoffs. He did it

689
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: in college, had not done it in the NFL since

690
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: he turned thro But these two guys have made a

691
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: huge difference the last few weeks. Okay, let me let

692
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 1: me say one thing about the defense. If if, if,

693
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 1: if I can have a little more time, Um, you

694
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,399
Speaker 1: know I have this theory. You don't have to get

695
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: worse to get better. Guys, Um, we we really missed Snacks.

696
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I I just don't. I don't. I mean,

697
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: I don't know about that trade. I mean it's gonna

698
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: be like the D sixties hundred sixty five pick in

699
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: the draft. Um, I I know what. You know, what

700
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: was said, the reasons why and so forth. But Shee's

701
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: we were getting turned around in the in the middle

702
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: of that line on on Sunday, that was a tough play.

703
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: What do you guys think well of? Listen? Snacks was

704
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: one of my favorites, So I'm talking from a personal perspective.

705
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: Zack Sacks was one of my favorite guys. Yeah, But

706
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: having said that, you know what, when when you view

707
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 1: somebody as a favorite, you tend to think with your

708
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: heart absolutely then you think with your head, and a

709
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: good GM can't do that now, listen. Uh. For whatever reason,

710
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't think it was strictly a financial move. I

711
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: don't know if it was leadership or a lack of

712
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: or chemistry in a locker room. I don't know. I

713
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: have not been told different. You know, we've all become

714
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 1: the same way. You kind of wond up, why did

715
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: it happen. They just felt this is what they wanted

716
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 1: to do, and they did it. Uh, you know, if

717
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 1: you're gonna if you're gonna runfense, so man, you need

718
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: a stud at nose tackle. And and Snacks was one

719
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: of the two or three best that that well, well,

720
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: let me let me just say one thing, Lennon, they

721
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: have young guys on that team like and who they

722
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: want to see. You know, at this juncture when he

723
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: was traded what what the hell was the record when

724
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: when Snacks was traded? Okay, the point being he was

725
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: traded also to see, let's we got these young guys

726
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: here who we have faith in, but now we want

727
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: to see and that's also thinking towards the future. So

728
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: that's that's part of the growing process, you know, for

729
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: the assessment process. Yeah, and Len and then that's part

730
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: of what you have to understand here because by by

731
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: clearing out Snacks, okay, now they think Tomlinson actually feel

732
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: can fill that position very well. Better to learn that

733
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: now than next season, because if you can get a

734
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: jump on that now, give him the experience, give him

735
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: the tape, and then figure out if he can do it.

736
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: Now you have the off season to decide whether or

737
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: not that's a good or a bad. If you wait

738
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: till training camp next year, you're behind the eight ball. Now,

739
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: let me get Let me have one more thing. Thomlinson

740
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: and I like hill outside at that defense, run stoppers

741
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: at that defensive end position, and you know, a pretty

742
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: good game on off the street. Josh Josh Morrow has

743
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: actually done a decent Edwards Edwards. I'd like to see

744
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: Edwards get more snaps. He's the one that caused the

745
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: fumble on Winston down there on the goal line. You know,

746
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: on that goal line, you know him got outside. Um,

747
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: you know, Edwards Edwards looks like he can play a

748
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: little bit. But I mean it's it's the modern NFL.

749
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: Look at that game last night, I mean home, it's

750
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 1: like a basketball game. I mean it was just, you know,

751
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 1: fun to watch, I guess, but yeah, you know, you

752
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: wonder about defense, but I mean the offense in the

753
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: league is just a little ahead of the defense at

754
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: this point. If you can make a couple of plays

755
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,400
Speaker 1: a game, you know, the stop on fourth down guys,

756
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: big time play, big time play, and and and a

757
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 1: couple of you know, you get a couple of you

758
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: get a couple of interceptions, you know, a tip ball.

759
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: It's not like you have to shut him down the

760
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: whole game. He's just gotta It just seems like these days,

761
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: if your team can score thirty points like we can't,

762
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: if you can stop the other team a few times

763
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: and make them punt, even if they put up twenty

764
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: eight points at the end, we still win the game.

765
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: You know what, you brought up something about that when

766
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: we gotta run, we got more calls. Okays, enjoy your turkey. Thanks,

767
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 1: But you know what, paul Um, you know what, you

768
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: know what. I think. Also part of the problem with

769
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 1: with defense is around the league now the rule changes

770
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: and with the protective no doubt the protection of players,

771
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: which I get and I understand. But having said that,

772
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: that's listen, a lot of the hits today become fifteen

773
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: fifteen yard uh, unsportsmanlike you know, penalty unsportsmanlike penalties fifteen

774
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: yards added on. I mean, instead of a big stop,

775
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: it's going the other way. I do want to add

776
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: one other thing about Snacks, and this is not a

777
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: negative on him at all, but it just happens to

778
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: be a fact of life. Snacks has been battling a

779
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: chronic knee issue now for two years, and we know

780
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: how many practices that he has taken off for what

781
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: they said was maintenance issues because they wanted to make

782
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: sure they preserve him for every weekend so he could

783
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: go out there and give them maximum efficiency. Well, the

784
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: guy has been in the league for a number of

785
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: years now. That's not going to get better. So at

786
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: some point it's gonna start getting worse and worse and worse.

787
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 1: And if you're a team that is on the cusp

788
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 1: of winning, you're a contender, which the Giants are not.

789
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: Right now, you live with that and you say, okay,

790
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: take those practices off. We got you on Sunday. Let's

791
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: see whatever juice we can squeeze out and try to

792
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: win this game because we're looking for a division title

793
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: or a wild card. But when you're a team like

794
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: the Giants in the middle of a rebuild, Okay, I

795
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 1: hate to use the word, but I'm gonna have to

796
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: right now, you can't afford to have guys like that

797
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: who are in maintenance programs during the week because that

798
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: doesn't help the leadership, the jelling, the chemistry of the

799
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: team that this guy is not practicing when his other

800
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: teammates are are in the week and then only playing

801
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: on Sunday. In other words, the reward that you can

802
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: possibly benefit from isn't worth the loss of having him

803
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 1: practice on a daily basis with his teammates when you

804
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: are in a turnover rebuilding mode. It's just not alright.

805
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: Two O four five one three is the number. Let's

806
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: go to Delaware. Speak with a buddy, coach, Marvin. What

807
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: do you say, coach? How you doing today? You're on

808
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 1: with Russ and PAULI Happy Turkey, Marvin, Happy Thanksgiving guys.

809
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: I hope you and your family enjoy this Thanksgiving that's

810
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: coming up. Right back at your buddy, right back at you.

811
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: What do you got today? Coach? Um the lit to

812
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: start off with the word play action, play action, play

813
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 1: act spect this from the beginning that, uh, that's what

814
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 1: Eli is. He's a play action pass. The majority um

815
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: of quarterback in the league of play action passes. Get

816
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: those linebackers out of those are out of those passing lanes,

817
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: and uh you've got something. You've got space in between

818
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: them and that helps everybody. Um. I just wanted I

819
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: wanted to make a comment on what Paul was talking

820
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: about with snacks and I wanted to ask both of you, baby,

821
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: this is what I as part of what everything that M.

822
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: Paul was said. I'm pretty sure that's why they let

823
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: them go. I hated to see them go, but I

824
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: think the his price tag, his age and being a

825
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: two down player played a role in that move also,

826
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: And I think they wanted to go younger and and

827
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: make they're clearing out cap space. I believe can be

828
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: part of it. Well, I mean there's no question that

829
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: that as they move forward, you know, they now are

830
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: in much better cap position going into the off season

831
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,720
Speaker 1: than they would have been otherwise with the two trades

832
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: they made, and with the the slices to the roster

833
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: with some of the other of players that that that

834
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: they have let go. So so all of these things together, Marvin,

835
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: you know how it is, there's never one reason for

836
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: a move to be made. There are always a whole

837
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: handful of them. You have to look at all the

838
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: angles in the prison to really come up with a

839
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 1: complete and honest reason as to why something was done. Yeah,

840
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: and I agree with that, and and something that fans

841
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: don't usually do. I'm sure they had a they had

842
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: an issue, and they had an answer, and they going

843
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: with the answer over the issue, whatever it is. Hey, Marvin,

844
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: being a coach, I want to ask you something. If

845
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 1: it's okay, you can anything, all right, let me let

846
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: me let me ask you this. Tell the people out there,

847
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: because I guess when when we tell them here sitting

848
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 1: in the host chair, they don't believe it. One of

849
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: the things that I've tried to preach to everybody from

850
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. One of the best ways

851
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: to break that too deep zone with the safety, you know,

852
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: the big cover to shell that everybody keeps talking about,

853
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: and how the Giants receivers kept saying and we couldn't

854
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,240
Speaker 1: take deep shots because they kept playing the deep cover too.

855
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: One of the best ways, in fact, the best way

856
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: to break that sucker is to run the football. So

857
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: when you run, you don't just set up the play action,

858
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: but you forced one of those safeties to come down

859
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 1: into the box, which then allows you to make bigger

860
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 1: plays down field. Would you kindly tell our audience that

861
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: that's how it works. Well, that's exactly how it works

862
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: in the game. And no matter what plays you're calling,

863
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: you you're trying to you're trying to um uh assort

864
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: your your strength on them. You're you're trying to bring

865
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: them down into that box. Because I always used to

866
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: tell my guys is the run. Before we even started

867
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: talking about past, we talked about the run. And what

868
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 1: we wanted to do is that we wanted to make

869
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that teams knew we were running.

870
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: And the best thing and the worst thing for defense

871
00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: is when you know somebody's running and you can't stop them.

872
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: That's all. Now you've got to bring those stafeties down

873
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: because they need help up front, and we're gonna pour

874
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: that down on them if I can. If I can

875
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: figure out that my front, my front five can handle

876
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: your front, I'm gonna say front seven. And if we

877
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 1: can handle at my front six against your front seven,

878
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: if we can handle you up front, I'm gonna pound

879
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: you all day. I'm gonna bring you down into that

880
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: box and I'm gonna keep pounding you until you can

881
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 1: slow me down. But once you slow me down, then

882
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to get in behind you. And that's where

883
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: the play action comes into play, because you're messing with

884
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: guys at what they see and whatever they see, you're

885
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: trying to make in them a mirrage in a way

886
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: you think you see something, but there's something behind you.

887
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 1: And that's and and that's what play action does two

888
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 1: teams is demoralizing when they can just run it down

889
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: your throat and you can't do anything. And if you

890
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: look at the Cowboys, that's mainly their success is that

891
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:09,760
Speaker 1: they of course no doubt and the and the word

892
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: that they need to know is uh. You know is

893
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: you have taken their will away from them. And there's

894
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: nothing worse than U because the hardest thing to do

895
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: is to move somebody against their will. I want you

896
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: to move him to his right, against his will. He

897
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,400
Speaker 1: wants to go look, but we're gonna move you to

898
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: the right. And that's that's that's what you're trying to do.

899
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: And that's what I was gonna call about earlier, is

900
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 1: that's why we're playing well all over the bill. Even

901
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: though Corey um Coleman has made a big plus in

902
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: the kicking game, and that's because of because of his

903
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: seed and he can break it at any time and

904
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: everybody knows that um, but the offensive line is the

905
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: one that's doing it. If you look at the last game,

906
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 1: you were talking about Barkley getting the ball, running, attacking

907
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: the line. And that's what you want to do, depending

908
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: on the call. If I'm running what we call a

909
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: twenty league, I want I want everything to be as

910
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: I would say two seconds, the bad bands hitting and

911
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: hitting the hole. You look at the game last week.

912
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: He was running in a straight line. That's right. He

913
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: was hitting that hole in a straight line. There was

914
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,399
Speaker 1: no dancing, There was none of that. What happens when

915
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: you run that play, because I tell my guys, don't

916
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: dance in there. You hit that whole the fastest you

917
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: hit that whole. The fact that you can get get

918
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: away from the first wave, you get into that second wave.

919
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: Now you can dance and you can make your to

920
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: hit that try line if you can get there. But

921
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: you want to run into that straight line before you

922
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: start doing all of that. Marvin, we we gotta run

923
00:52:50,600 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: because we got more callers. But but I love I

924
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: love the fact that stuff that you and I have

925
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: preached for so long is now coming to fruition on

926
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: the field for these two alliants. Enjoy your turkey, will

927
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 1: you please? He came off, But will y'all go. I

928
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: just want to say one more thing about the offensive line.

929
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: The big test is this week. Yeah argument there, amen

930
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: to that. Enjoy you, Thanks David Coach. Let's go out

931
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: to New Mexico and check in with our buddy Scott. Scott,

932
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: how you doing today? You're on with Russ and Pauls

933
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: and Happy Thanksgiving. A couple of colors stole my thunders

934
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: in regards the questions I had, So I'm going to

935
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: reverse course a little bit, and I wanted to talk

936
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: about since the bye week, this metamorphosis of the Giants.

937
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: They're starting to look with the giants envisioned in the

938
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: beginning of the season. So how much do you think

939
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: the coaching staff has evolved as well? In other words,

940
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: do the coaches make the personnel or does the personnel

941
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: make the coaches? And decided an example, there was a

942
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: lot of grief heaped on how Hunter and regards the

943
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: offensive line, and he was taking a lot of um

944
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: I think unnecessary. Uh. I would agree with that, Yeah,

945
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: not necessary comments. But I knew him in his days

946
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: in San Diego and I know what he put together there.

947
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: So my question again is a simple one. Does the

948
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: personnel make the coaches or do the coaches make the personnel? Well,

949
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,720
Speaker 1: you've seen an evolution of the coaches since the beginning

950
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: of the season. No, I think the coaches are the coaches.

951
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: I think what you've seen the coaches were doing what

952
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:34,000
Speaker 1: they need to do. They continue to coach, They don't

953
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 1: run scared. They stick with their game plan that they

954
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:41,240
Speaker 1: stick with, you know, their belief obviously, you know, once

955
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: the guys that they believe in or that they're working

956
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: with and they're coaching up start to play better than

957
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 1: the coaches have greater confidence in the players and thus

958
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: really have greater confidence confidence in themselves. They can call

959
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: certain players that maybe they were gun shy about doing earlier.

960
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: So I I think you've seen an offensive line starting

961
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: to mesh because you brought in, as Paul said, you

962
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: know Pulleys now at center. You brought in a JB.

963
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: Jamal Brown, who's made a significant difference. And we should

964
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: say one thing, Paul, which maybe you know it gets lost.

965
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:24,399
Speaker 1: You know John Greco, not that anybody is maligning him,

966
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,480
Speaker 1: but you know, now he's relegated back to the bench.

967
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 1: John Greco came to this team for the specific purpose

968
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: of being a veteran backup offensive lineman. That's his job,

969
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: a guy you know, when needed to be able to

970
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,520
Speaker 1: step in. He was forced into a situation that was

971
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: far different. He was forced into a starting center situation.

972
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: You know. So you know things have changed, uh, and

973
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: and now it seems to be settling. But I think

974
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: I think the coaches continued to coach, and now you're

975
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: seeing the chemistry and cohesiveness with the offensive line coming together,

976
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: and for the team, it's paying dividends. I like greg O'

977
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: by the way, he's a hole the fourth guy, I

978
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 1: really do. I don't. I'm with you, Russ. I don't

979
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,920
Speaker 1: want to be smirching, not at all. He went in

980
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 1: there and did a very good job of mentally trying

981
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: to get this team at a page. Yeah that see

982
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: that gets lost because they're just losing. Not this guy's

983
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: a stiff, No, that's not the case. He's a veteran,

984
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: ten plus year guy. He was brought in to be

985
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: exactly what he is. A leadership kind of guy, a

986
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: mentor kind of guy. You got young guys on the

987
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: offensive line, You've got guys like Will and Wheeler and

988
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: what so, you know what. He but he came in,

989
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: he was forcing into a far different role with a

990
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,959
Speaker 1: far bigger load. So you know, Scott can't do nothing

991
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: about that, right do you think the Giants as they

992
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: go into next season, where do you think the major

993
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: improvements have to be made in order for this team

994
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: to get to where they need to go? Because I'm

995
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 1: a big believer that championships is still won by defense,

996
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: and I would think that on the defensive side, if

997
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,760
Speaker 1: everything holds true with the offense, that the biggest changes

998
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: will be in the defensive partner. I want to know

999
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: if you assess it the same way or you look

1000
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: at it a different well, I I don't think you

1001
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: can really give an honest answer until the season plays

1002
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: itself out. There were still too many guys auditioning for

1003
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: for potential jobs going into next year. But to be fair,

1004
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: I think that the line certainly wants to continue to

1005
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: improve going into next season. The pass rush has to

1006
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,760
Speaker 1: get better going into next season, and I do think

1007
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna need some some more help in the secondary

1008
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: going into next season. But that's just a general comment

1009
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: because again, there were still guys who would trying to

1010
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: become part of that answer. Scott, thanks very much, happy

1011
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: to have a happy Thanksgiving. We've got time for one

1012
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: more call because Jeff has been holding on from Rhode Island,

1013
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: So let's close out with Jeff. How are you doing? Jeff?

1014
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: You're on with how you guys doing today? And we

1015
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: just got a couple of minutes, buddy, so making pay

1016
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,600
Speaker 1: what you got. I just, uh, I want to ask Paul.

1017
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:01,479
Speaker 1: I know he's he likes Lorenzo O'Connor very much. The game.

1018
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: The game wasn't televised up here Sunday, so I was

1019
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 1: just wondering, Uh, you know, if he did anything of

1020
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: note Sunday's game. Well, he was more quiet than he

1021
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: was in San Francisco against the Niners. He busted out

1022
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 1: and had a huge game. I mean, I think it

1023
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: was six solo tackles, uh, you know, just to start with,

1024
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: and that doesn't even include I think three tackles for

1025
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: a loss um, you know, pressures. And he was dynamite

1026
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: against San France. That was his best game of the season.

1027
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:33,520
Speaker 1: Much quieter in this last game against Tampa Bay. But again,

1028
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 1: he's a rookie. It's as all part of the process

1029
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: as he moves forward. By the way, Jeff, if you're

1030
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: a Lorenzo Carter Carter a fan, you can go to

1031
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: Giants dot com right now and they've got We've got

1032
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 1: a Lorenzo car a Mike video for you. It's pretty good.

1033
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: So uh go to uh giants dot com. And they

1034
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,919
Speaker 1: did reward him for his game in San Francisco by

1035
00:58:56,080 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: starting him against Tampa Bay. You know. So, so the

1036
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: coaches are very much aware of his ups and Russ.

1037
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: I just wanted you to know. I was looking at

1038
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: my Tom Tom Kennedy Giants football the other day. Oh

1039
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: my goodness. Wow, Now we know you're a die hard buddy.

1040
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, Jeff, listen, Happy Thanksgiving to you and

1041
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: your family, my friends. All right, And that is I

1042
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: wonder if he had a trade three three of the

1043
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: Earl Morals to get ahold of a Kennedy. No, I

1044
00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: don't think you'd get You might have to. I mean

1045
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: Tom Kennedy coming from the Brooklyn Dodgers of the Continental

1046
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: Football Gods. I forget who who got hurt. There's something

1047
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: for the happen that's we're going back to the mid sixties.

1048
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: It was probably moral. It wasn't. No, I don't think so,

1049
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: because after after Tittle, you know, after Tittle retired, remember

1050
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: the sixty four season was his last season. Then then

1051
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: they then they went through. Uh all the fellow from Cornell.

1052
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 1: Oh my good this Why am I forgetting the fellow

1053
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: from Cornell? Wood? There you go is a dad team

1054
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: for you. Gary Wood. Gary Wood was there. Earl Morral

1055
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: was there. They finally wound up making the trade with

1056
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 1: the Vikings to get frand talking to anyway, folks that

1057
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: becomes a rap on today are thanks to the illustrious

1058
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: Dave Dominic at the controls for us. I am russ Salzburg.

1059
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,560
Speaker 1: He is pauly dots. Uh for those of you will

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Speaker 1: be back here tomorrow. Great for those of you who

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Speaker 1: won't want to wish everybody a happy and healthy Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: to you and your families. Be safe and I will

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Speaker 1: see you tomorrow