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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles w Chuck Bryant and Jerry's here too,

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Speaker 1: And this is Stuff you should Know part of the

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Speaker 1: Famed and Legendary Deaths suite, which just rambles on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about this in a couple

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Speaker 1: of them, but I'm surprised of two things. That we

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Speaker 1: haven't covered this in full yet too, and that you

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Speaker 1: managed to find an article on our old our old

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Speaker 1: Pals website and housetop works dot com we hadn't used

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Speaker 1: or written dude. I I scour the site frequently and

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Speaker 1: everyone too. Yeah, sometimes you can find like how did

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Speaker 1: this slip by? That's why it just keeps you going,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's hard to believe.

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Speaker 1: We still get a lot of a lot of our

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Speaker 1: shorties ideas from there, which is great, But it has

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Speaker 1: been a while I think since we were able to

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Speaker 1: find something. It's just hiding in there, hiding in the

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Speaker 1: blood vessels of the body. Very nice and speaking of bodies, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: I don't remember where we talked about this before, but

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Speaker 1: I do remember that we talked about the death of

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Speaker 1: Abraham Lincoln and how he was one of the first

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Speaker 1: um presidents. Two it must have been lying in state.

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Speaker 1: I'll bet it was the short stuff on lying in state,

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Speaker 1: because I think he was one of the first presidents

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Speaker 1: to to lie in state in different places. And the

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Speaker 1: reason he was able to do that is because he

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Speaker 1: was involved he was subject to some modern chemical embalming

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Speaker 1: techniques that had recently been introduced by a guy named Dr.

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Speaker 1: Thomas Holmes, and it allowed Abraham Lincoln to take a

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Speaker 1: very leisurely nineteen days to make it from Washington, D's

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Speaker 1: see to his hometown of Springfield, Illinois for burial, which

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Speaker 1: is a long time for a corpse in the nineteenth

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Speaker 1: century to be above the ground. And yet he was

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Speaker 1: still fairly presentable by the time he got to Springfield

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Speaker 1: when he was buried, and um, it was all thanks

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Speaker 1: to that embalming process. Yeah. And this was and we'll

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Speaker 1: get to the we'll get to Holmes Moore in a minute,

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Speaker 1: But this was during the Civil War, So great timing

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Speaker 1: for Lincoln. Also terrible timing for Lincoln just in general,

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Speaker 1: but as far as going on display, great timing previous

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Speaker 1: to this, he would have been on literally on ice.

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Speaker 1: When you hear like, you know, the bodies on ice.

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Speaker 1: That's how they used to do it. It's the only

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Speaker 1: way they could do it. Yeah, I have to say,

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Speaker 1: you mean. I went to this thing called the Merchants

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Speaker 1: House Museum in New York. It's the oldest house in

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Speaker 1: New York and it was owned by a sea merchant

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Speaker 1: named sea Bury Treadwell, if I'm not mistaken, one of

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Speaker 1: the great names of all time. And we just happened

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Speaker 1: to go at a time when they were recreating what

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Speaker 1: the house would have been like for the funerals Seaburry Treadwell,

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Speaker 1: and they had like a cast get set up and

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Speaker 1: everything in the living room they had lilies everywhere just

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Speaker 1: stunk of lilies, which is one of the things they

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Speaker 1: used to mask the smell of decay. And then they

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Speaker 1: also had a little soundtrack playing of water dripping because

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Speaker 1: he would have been on huge blocks of ice to

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Speaker 1: kind of keep him to keep his body cold. But

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Speaker 1: it's one of the cooler things I've ever seen in

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Speaker 1: my life. And you know, walking around the museum even

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Speaker 1: when they don't have something like that going on, it's

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Speaker 1: pretty cool. It's definitely worth the visit. What part of

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Speaker 1: I don't, but I'm pretty sure it's lower I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's east side or west side. It's got

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Speaker 1: to be, I mean, that was early New York. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's super cool. The Merchant House Museum, if

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Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, fantastic. Uh. And while you're down there,

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Speaker 1: I've not been to. You've been there, I guess, Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 1: good stuff. Okay, Yeah, it's very cool. I mean if

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Speaker 1: Oh man, you're having a tapas, tapas or sushi. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But this is h Embalming, however, is not something that

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Speaker 1: word itself, embalm just means to put on a bomb.

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Speaker 1: and apparently Thomas Holmes was inspired by some Egyptian mummies

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Speaker 1: Thomas Holmes introduced chemical embolming in the eighteen sixties, and

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Speaker 1: that allows us to do things like that. Now, that's right. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you want to go back through time and look

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Speaker 1: about five thousand years ago to Spain. Uh. There were

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Speaker 1: People would be wrapped in cloth. They would sometimes be

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Speaker 1: further back in the catalog, friend, Yes, exactly. Do you

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Speaker 1: more ancient world in balming, all right, chuck. So the Egyptians,

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Speaker 1: You might just to use that all the time. I

425
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: could see it. But yes, I think I think you

426
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: might be onto something chunk. But these people are you know,

427
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: even though I am on record is not not being

428
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: down with this process. Uh, it is. And we'll talk about,

429
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: you know, the real value if there is any for

430
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: people to be able to view the body. Um, it

431
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: is still very valuable to a lot of people. And

432
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: the people that do this to perform a great service

433
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: for a fee. But they perform a great service and

434
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: are very talented at what they do. And it's I'm

435
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: sure not the easiest job to to to perform, No,

436
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: And I was thinking about what it takes to perform

437
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: that job and not be freaked out, not to have nightmares,

438
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 1: not to be um, you know, profoundly affected in ways

439
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 1: where you just can't keep doing it. And I don't know,

440
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 1: I think you're just maybe born a certain way. You're

441
00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: just a certain you like if you watch six ft under,

442
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: it's a it's just a job, you know, it's very commonplace.

443
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember which one was Arthur. I haven't seen

444
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: it in a long enough time. He was Dwight from

445
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: the Office. Oh wow, I didn't remember him being on there.

446
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: Rain Wilson, yeah, Rain Wilson was wow. I have no

447
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: recollection of that whatsoever I got. Yeah, he was just

448
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: on at least one season, maybe two. But he lived

449
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: in the Fisher Home and uh as a tenant and

450
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: was there in balmer and was sort of an odd ball.

451
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: He ended up in this weird sort of relationship with

452
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: the mom uh that bordered on sexual but not quite though.

453
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: The embalmer I remember is Ileana Douglas. Yeah, yeah, she

454
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: was great early on. She just kind of worked at

455
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 1: the Fisher House for a little bit. She was fantastic,

456
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 1: A big fan of hers, But you know, the main

457
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: embalmer was usually it was usually Michael. If you loved

458
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: her in six ft Under, you would love her in

459
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,359
Speaker 1: the intro video to the Aerosmith d at Disney Hollywood Studios.

460
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: I think she's great. It's one of the most piece

461
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: oar cameos you will ever see. And before I retired

462
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: movie crush I was I know mentioned it before, but

463
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: if you were a six ft Under fan, please go

464
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: listen to my great, great interview with Alan Ball for

465
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: the twentieth anniversary of six ft Under it was a

466
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: lot of fun. So UM, Okay, so we're talking about

467
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: the modern process, Like if you're an embalmer, if you're

468
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: a restorative artist at whatever you are, if you're Ileana Douglas, UM,

469
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: you have certain steps that you're going to follow. And

470
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: apparently everybody is different, which is not really surprising, but

471
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: I think it's worth pointing out. Like people die in

472
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: all sorts of different ways, and they arrive at a

473
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 1: funeral home in all sorts of different states differ yep.

474
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: And because of all these differences, how you're approached and

475
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: the stuff that is UM like the measures taken in

476
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: the steps undertaken to get you back to UM, something

477
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: like a peaceful life like presentation. Um, They're just gonna

478
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,199
Speaker 1: be different for every person, but there are some general

479
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: steps and categories that everything's gonna fall into. Yeah. My

480
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: favorite part of this article was when it the UM

481
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: they interviewed someone who did this and they said, there

482
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: isn't a standard amount of time. It takes. An embalming

483
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: takes as long as it takes. I was like, it

484
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: takes about a third of an episode of six ft

485
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: under That's all it takes. It's like, I'm a specialist.

486
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: Uh so the first things and again it's gonna differ,

487
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 1: but generally speaking, um, if any you know, because hair

488
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: can still grow some if you had any facial hair

489
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: grow after you passed away, or we're just unshaven and

490
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 1: are typically clean shaven, uh, they will shave that hair off.

491
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: If you have a beard or mustache or something, they're

492
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: gonna leave that obviously. But um, sure, you don't want

493
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: to like change radically your appearance on your wedding day

494
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: or your funeral day. Yeah, that's a big if you're

495
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: planning on getting married, don't let anyone talk you into

496
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: shaving whatever you have on your face just because it's

497
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: your wedding day. I mean, both of those are times

498
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: you want to look like yourself. Look yourself. I do

499
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: whatever you want, it's your life. Don't want yuck anyone's young,

500
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: but feel feel you should feel comfortable and looking like yourself.

501
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: I got a cheesy fifteen year ago goatee on my

502
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: wedding day that I now look back on. I'm like,

503
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: why was I wearing that stupid goatee? Yeah, you were

504
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: in that and some Oakley's backward on the back of

505
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: your head. Yeah, but that was a weird look for you.

506
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're like chewing gum, talking like yeah,

507
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 1: my fly was down, that's just me. Uh So you

508
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: shave that face. If the and imagine the family has

509
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: you know, some say so if they're like no, like

510
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 1: you know, they always had a five o'clops stubble and

511
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: that was their favorite thing. He was super into George

512
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: Michael exactly. Alright, p uh so you close the eyes,

513
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: but those eyes have gotta stay closed. Sure, um so

514
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: they would. Sometimes they'll use skin glue. Sometimes they use

515
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: something called an eye cap. It's like a little fleshy

516
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: oval shaped kind of like your eye that sits on

517
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: the eye and secures that eyelid in place, because you

518
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: want those eyes stay closed. Another thing you want to

519
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: stay closed is the mouth. You don't want it suddenly

520
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: falling open, as if the cadaver is now going to

521
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: address everybody at the viewing um. And so they'll do

522
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: like pretty scary stuff to it, like wiring the jaw shut.

523
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: If it really wants to stay open, or if it's

524
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: just kind of like you just want to make sure

525
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: it doesn't to come open, you can just sew it

526
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: shut and there's all sorts of sewing techniques. But either way,

527
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: the mouth is going to stay shut. And then once

528
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,719
Speaker 1: you have it shut like that, um, you can kind

529
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: of manipulate it into doing whatever you want, like kind

530
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: of resting peacefully, smiling a little bit, blowing into a saxophone,

531
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Yeah. I think a lot of

532
00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: times they'll put cotton in the mouth before they so

533
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: or wire or it shut, because I think that just

534
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: fills it out a little bit. Uh, you know, like

535
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: Marlon Brando style. M m. Yeah, he actually had a

536
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: piece made for the Godfather, but did he I think

537
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: he auditioned with cotton. What a great idea, Like, it

538
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: just made him that character and not Marlon Brando, even

539
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: though it's still Marlon Brando. It's one of those really

540
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: weird times where you can watch it and you're like,

541
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm watching Brando, but you're also totally buying the character. Yeah.

542
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: I think he was in his forties when he made that.

543
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: Dude is crazy. Yeah, that's a good movie. I mean

544
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: they aged him up obviously, but it's one of those

545
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: that's one of those things where you realize you're older

546
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: if you're older than like something in pop culture. Yeah, boy,

547
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: I remember when that when it hit me. I started

548
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: watching baseball one season and realized that I was older

549
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: than like all of the team. That was the first

550
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: time I ever felt old. And it was only like

551
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: twenty two, but they were all like nineteen at the time,

552
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: you know. Or when one of your favorite players, like

553
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: you're watching their kids play later. Oh yeah, or your

554
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 1: favorite player as a manager, it's like, wait, when did

555
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: that happen? Yeah, totally, it's it's the pits for sure.

556
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: The other one too, that was going around the internet

557
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: for a while was when, uh something about you know

558
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: that moment you realize that you're older than all of

559
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: the traveling Wilburies were. And they made that out. They

560
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: seem so old they did. They seemed like they were sixty.

561
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: They were there in their forties. I think where they really.

562
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Orbison was a little older, but

563
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: maybe not. I don't know. Okay, I'm meant to do

564
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: that research for this article for this episode, but I forgot. Well,

565
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you some research I was doing. I talked

566
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: about blowing into a saxophone with the mouth. I looked

567
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: high and low for stories like that, because surely somewhere

568
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: somebody was buried some some sacks. Guy was buried with

569
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: the sacks. And I couldn't find some like true tales

570
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: of a mortician, you know, saying like yeah, I did

571
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: I did that once, or anything even remotely like it.

572
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: So if you're a mortician or a restorative artist or

573
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: an undertaker, I would love to hear any story like that.

574
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: Who was the saxomaphonist from us Murphy? Yeah but he did, Yeah,

575
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: buried with the saxophone, playing a saxophone and wearing sunglasses

576
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 1: and sandals. Alright, so you got the mouth shut, you

577
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: got the eyes taken care of, and it's right here

578
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: that we're going to take a break and leave you

579
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: in suspense on what happens with the rest of the body.

580
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: How about that? Very nice? All right, So the mouth

581
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: is shut, eyes are shut. They're gonna stay that way.

582
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna read this part if I may, because

583
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: I found a great interview with someone who does this

584
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: for a living, I think from the Guardian, and uh

585
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: it has a little more detail than the article that

586
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: we used, and it's just sort of lays it all

587
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: out there. So thank you to the Guardian for this interview. Uh,

588
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: they said, They use a scalpel to make an incision

589
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: near the right collar bone. Uh. And then they're they're

590
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 1: looking for the carotid artery and the internal jugular vein

591
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: and they make a little nick in each of those.

592
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: And they put these arterial tubes in the artery and

593
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: you point one towards the heart, and then you do

594
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: another one towards the head. And then you have a

595
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: drain tube a k a. Angled forceps and you put

596
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: that in the vein to facilitate that drainage of the

597
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: blood because that that blood's got to come out. That's

598
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: what you're doing basically, is you're pumping in embalming fluid,

599
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: which we'll get to what that is in a sect,

600
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: and you're removing all the blood. And that is connected

601
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: to a misch sen that no longer is like a

602
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: footpump type of thing. It's it's powered by electricity, uses gears.

603
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: He's just wooden gear still though. Uh. And then that's

604
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: connected to the arterial tube directed towards the heart. And

605
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: then you regulate your pressure and all that stuff and

606
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: get you the rate of flow going that you need.

607
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: And you're kind of adjusting everything depending on who it is.

608
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: And like the body size and how things are going

609
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: because every case is different. And then that fluid starts

610
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: going through the hose and it pushes through the art

611
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: arterial system and the blood is forced out through the

612
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: jugular vein and then it is washed down the drain

613
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 1: and you eventually drink it. Mm hmm. Don't they have

614
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: to sequest her that stuff? Is it really washed down

615
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: the regular drain? No way, Just like your poop and p.

616
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: Blood goes down the drain, into the into the waste system.

617
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: Poop and p goes down the drain. We did a

618
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: whole episode on it blood to really yeah they I mean,

619
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: obviously you have to dispose of the embalming fluid and

620
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: stuff in a different way, but you were you were

621
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: literally just draining that blood down the drain. Well. I

622
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: remember one of our episodes What Can be Done with

623
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: the dead Body. One of the things they were talking

624
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: about was using auto license so that it turned you

625
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: into a goo that could legally be poured down the drain.

626
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: I didn't realize your blood could be that's insane. Wow. Yeah,

627
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,479
Speaker 1: there's one six Under episode where they have a clog

628
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,879
Speaker 1: in their system. Oh yeah, I remember the blood all

629
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: comes up to the floor horror movie. So, Um, that

630
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: embalming fluid is uh pretty special stuff. Most people associated

631
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: with formale hyde, and it definitely does contain formale hyde. Um,

632
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: but it also contains some other stuff too. UM. When

633
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: you put it all together, the body is not only preserved,

634
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: but it's also disinfected, which is not something you would

635
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: think about. But if say, you know, somebody died of

636
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: a contagious disease and you're sitting there kneeling on a

637
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: little kneeler in front of their call, been talking quietly

638
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: to them. If they hadn't been embalved, you could conceivably

639
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: catch that infectious disease because it would still be present

640
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: in their body. Uh. Embalming takes care of that. The

641
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: formale high that's in the embalming fluid actually um hardens

642
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: and dehydrates the blood vessels uh that it's put through uh,

643
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: and then some other stuff like um uh galuta aldehy

644
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: to believe is one is a disinfectant and it actually

645
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: kills bacteria in the body and prevents it from coming back. UM.

646
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: So it's it's preserved, uh, and it's also disinfected too.

647
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: And that was just the arterial um that you talked about.

648
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: There's there's another part of the body, the abdominal cavity,

649
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: that requires a separate additional procedure, right, yeah, and you

650
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: know we should note that like there again, not to

651
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: bring up six ft under again, but they really were

652
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 1: pretty accurate and how they did it. They're doing like

653
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: a soapy, gentle massage on the body. They're they're bending

654
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: the knees and the legs and the elbows and sort

655
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: of the limbs and this all just sort of helps

656
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: facilitate the flow through the body. It also restores movement

657
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: to the body. Again, where after rigorously said in two.

658
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, they'll also sometimes I saw add into embalming

659
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: fluid dies that kind of tint the skin healthier color. Again,

660
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: let's let's blue. I guess, let's blue more peach, right, yeah,

661
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: that's really not but sure. Uh yeah, So the cavity,

662
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 1: and this is from the same Guardian article, they suction

663
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: out the fluid from the hollow organs with something well

664
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: it's something called a troke car. But you might remember

665
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: from our episode on the video game what was it

666
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: Night Trap, Night look Out behind You. So they use

667
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: an actual choke car and then uh, what he called

668
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: a very high index fluid, which is the stuff that

669
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about. Um, I think even more high index

670
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: than what goes through the arteries and the blood vessels.

671
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: And then the incision is closed with a little circular

672
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: plastic button called a trocar button. Yeah. That came from

673
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: a Verge article about a there's supposedly a woman in

674
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: Russia who was embalmed alive and they got in touch

675
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: with an actual embalmer, like a third or fourth generation

676
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: funeral home person. Um and got kind of the skinny

677
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 1: on the evolvement process. And his name escapes me right now.

678
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: But um, if you look up Russian woman embombed alive

679
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: on the Verge you will find the interview with him

680
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: was really enlightening interesting. And what did that reference the button? Yeah?

681
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: That was the person who's talking about the trocar and

682
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: the trocar button. Oh from the Guardian article. No, from

683
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: the Verge article. Okay, well I was talking about the

684
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: guy from the Guardian article. Got okay, yeah, I'm talking

685
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,479
Speaker 1: about a different guy. Okay, good, good for that person too.

686
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: Should them off with our two different embalmers? See who wins?

687
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: That's why I configut what you're talking about. You're like,

688
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: that's from the thing. I was like, no, that's not

689
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: what are you talking about. It's from the other thing.

690
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: You're like that it's from the other thing. Uh. They

691
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: say in general, although again everybody's different, every process differs,

692
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: but roughly about a gallon of embalming solution per fifty

693
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: pounds of body weight, it's what it's gonna take. Yeah,

694
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: And depending on whether it's the arterial solution, which is

695
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: pretty low index um, it could be one and a

696
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: half to five percent from ald hyde or off its

697
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 1: high index. It could be from alde hyde for the

698
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: abdominal cavity, which you said something earlier when we were

699
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: talking about canopic jars about getting the inners out, And

700
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: it would make sense you would want to use higher

701
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: index from alde hyde embalming solution in the abdominal cavity

702
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: because that's just basically a bag of bacteria in there.

703
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: So I would guess that's where your decomposition really starts

704
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 1: to take off and center from is in your gut,

705
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: wouldn't you? I would think so. But that's just so

706
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: mean to the to the microbiome that's kept you alive

707
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: from now and now finally they get their great reward

708
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,800
Speaker 1: at the end, and then they're wiped out by formal

709
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: the hide. Yeah, it doesn't seem fair, I know. Humans. Yeah,

710
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: forget about the little guy. I guess we should talk

711
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: about the pros and cons of embalming. Uh. You know,

712
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: we we already mentioned that. Um, even though I'm not

713
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: into it, that people still in in America these days,

714
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:28,800
Speaker 1: and I guess in Canada and I guess New Zealand

715
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: want to see the body and it can bring people

716
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: peace and closure and all the things that we've talked

717
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: about in all of our other uh funerary podcast episodes. Uh.

718
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: And that's really the main purposes are to disinfect this body,

719
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: preserve it, and restore it so people can look at it.

720
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 1: So there's a question, though, Chuck, like, do people actually

721
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: need to see the body foreclosure or is that kind

722
00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: of like a funeral industry hustle. Yeah. I mean I

723
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: I can only speak personally and saying I do not,

724
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: and I think it is personal. I don't think it's

725
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: kind of thing you can quantify. Although I know that

726
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: you did find a study and there's not a lot

727
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 1: of studies like this, but you did find one that

728
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: followed people after it was sort of a big tragedy

729
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: and found that people that saw the body UM had

730
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: better outcomes. But it didn't really say what that meant.

731
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: I guess happier or more content I believe less regret

732
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: was one of the was one of the UM qualifiers.

733
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: UM that they've they felt less um stuck in the

734
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: grieving process. UM, but it's like you said, it does

735
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: seem to be personal and UM. What they found interestingly

736
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: was that people who decided not to see the body

737
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: and people who decided to see the body, and this

738
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: includes bodies that are like like we're presented UM long

739
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: before they ever made it through the funeral home, like

740
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: through through people who had I d like a family

741
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: member at the morgue, all right, so they were in

742
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: like the worst possible state. UM that both of them.

743
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: Both groups expressed like almost none expressed regret for their decision.

744
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: So the impression I got is like, whatever your gut

745
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: is telling you you, you should probably go with it.

746
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: Like if you just have a gut instinct that you yes,

747
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: you you need to see the body, even if people

748
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: try to talk you out of it, and apparently they will, UM,

749
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: you need to just follow through on it. It's your

750
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: right to see a deceased loved one. Um, not necessarily

751
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: to touch it or to be alone in a room

752
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: with your deceased loved one. Uh, but you have a

753
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: right to see them, and if you want to, you

754
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: should be insistent on that, because you could regret not

755
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: being able to or not deciding not to because you

756
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: were talked out of it. In the same way some

757
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: people will tell you like you need to see the

758
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: body foreclosure, and if your instincts are telling you should

759
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: not see this body, go with that. That's from what

760
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: I saw in this British Medical Journal survey of people

761
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: who had seen or not seen a body of a

762
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: loved one. That seemed to be kind of like the

763
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: through line like trust your gut and just just know

764
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: you made the right decision one way or the other. Yeah,

765
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: and uh, there's more than one six ft Under episode

766
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: where they tackle that very issue of either people not

767
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: wanting to get involved or you know, it's not a comedy.

768
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: You keep laughing every time I mentioned it, but it's

769
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: just so funny. Rain Wilson was just such a goofball. Uh.

770
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: It is really accurate though, as far as I think

771
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: they tackle so many real situations because there are episodes

772
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: where people don't want to get involved and they're trying

773
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: to talk them into it and the reasons why. And

774
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, I don't see it so much of a

775
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: hustle as you know, this is their job and they

776
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: are salespeople. They're selling their service, so they're they're gonna

777
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: do that. Um. I don't want to be involved, and

778
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,479
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be if it's up to me, um

779
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: and my rights being respected. But uh, I just want

780
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 1: to be cremated as soon as possible. I don't. I

781
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: don't want to be filled full of stuff. If you

782
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 1: die with your beard, you want your beard left on, right, Yeah,

783
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: you burn it up. Although now they I think they're

784
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: using a I think they're dissolving people more that aren't

785
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:24,719
Speaker 1: more but yeah, not not more than uh in numbers, yeah,

786
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: more than these do. Well. That's so that's the thing.

787
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: So that auto license process again, go listen to what

788
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: can be done with the dead body episode, But it's

789
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: where you basically sterilize the body into Google that could,

790
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: like I said, be poured down the drain. Um. But

791
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: even if you're cremated, Chuck, there's a there's a good

792
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: chance that if you're cremated in the United States, Canada,

793
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: or New Zealand, you were also embalmed too. And one

794
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: of the big pushbacks you don't want to be that's true, right,

795
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: But I'm saying, like, uh, if you didn't state otherwise

796
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: in your family gave permission that you might have been

797
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 1: embolved through the whole funeral process and then at the

798
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: end of it, rather than being buried, you were cremated um.

799
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: And the one of the big concerns, aside from religious

800
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: reasons that people usually have in opposing embalming, is the

801
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: environmental impact on it. Because we talked about arsenic you know,

802
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: leaching into the groundwater. Well, there's a good chance that

803
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 1: all the formalde hyde and glut aalde hyde and methanol

804
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: and ethanol and everything else that was pumped into your

805
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 1: body um is going to make it into the ground too.

806
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: And it's not an insubstantial amount of embalming fluid that

807
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: is put into the ground through burials every year. I

808
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: think there's enough to to fill eight Olympic sized swimming

809
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: pools just in America alone every year. That's how much

810
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: embalming fluid is committed. To the ground in the bodies

811
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: of people who were involved. But then it also can

812
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: affect the air quality too, right, because people can be

813
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 1: embalved and then cremated and then all that stuff gets

814
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: released in to the air from the cremation process. Sure,

815
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: and and you're also working around it if you work

816
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,840
Speaker 1: in that industry. I think the EPA, the United States,

817
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 1: and the World Health Organization list formalde hyde as a

818
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: probable carcinogen and mutagen, so you know, they take great

819
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: precautions to do it safely. But you're working around very

820
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: dangerous materials and like you said, you were burning that

821
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: stuff into the air or eventually it will go into

822
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: the ground. So um, it's not like the old wooden

823
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: box caskets of old as far as how quickly they deteriorate.

824
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: But like eventually those things will deteriorate too, right, Uh yeah,

825
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean eventually or the concrete will crack and it'll

826
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 1: leach out. Like if it's not an immediate problem now,

827
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: it's not like it's never going to be, you know

828
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yes, and we're running out of space. Yeah,

829
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: that's another one too. So all good reasons to be

830
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: um to be cremated I guess to turn into cremated remains,

831
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: not cremines. Now, remember I think in our cremation episode

832
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: we said that that was that was not classy. Oh

833
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. So a couple of things. You

834
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: got anything else? I got nothing else. A couple of things.

835
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: That funeral director was named Caleb Wilde, the guy who

836
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 1: was interviewed in the Verge. I want to give a

837
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: shout out to him. I also want to give a

838
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: shout out to who is widely believed to have been

839
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: the best embalmed body of all time, a Chinese noble

840
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: woman named the Lady Die. That wasn't her name, that's

841
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: her nickname. She died in b C and you've probably

842
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: seen pictures of around the internet. Um kind of on

843
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: like an examination table with you know, class straped over

844
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 1: her breasts and genitals for modesty. But other than that,

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Speaker 1: hanging out and for being years old. That she's in

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Speaker 1: a ghastly state. But she's still like her skin still there,

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Speaker 1: it still has you know, kind of some color to her.

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Speaker 1: Her hair is still there. It's it's pretty amazing. So

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Speaker 1: look up the Lady Die if you're dare um. But

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Speaker 1: she's one of the best preserved bodies of all time.

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Speaker 1: Amazing and I do have more more things. Since you

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Speaker 1: looked up your person, I felt like I had to

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Speaker 1: look at my person. Okay, fair enough? Uh? And from

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Speaker 1: the Guardian that is jin Park Mustachio. Oh nice working

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Speaker 1: as a funeral director and embalmer, at least at the

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Speaker 1: time of this writing in New Jersey. I think that's great, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: we did a great job here. Uh. If you want

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Speaker 1: to know more about embalming, I'll ask a restorative artist

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Speaker 1: and see if they look at you weird for calling

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Speaker 1: him a restorative artist. And since I said that, it's

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Speaker 1: time for a listener Mayo, I'm gonna call this email

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Speaker 1: from Ron Swanson of Parks and Wreck. Hey guys, I've

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Speaker 1: been listening to you for years, uh and love your podcast.

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Speaker 1: You always deliver interesting, interesting topics and fun ways. But

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Speaker 1: I gotta say on the latest podcast about Les Pond

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Speaker 1: Leo Fender, you mispronounced the city of Waukesha, Wisconsin. And boy,

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Speaker 1: we've heard it today right and we're going to for

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Speaker 1: months to come. But this is one of those good

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Speaker 1: people of Wisconsin are not having it. No, they're not.

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Speaker 1: They're definitely are kind of up in arms with algia.

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Speaker 1: What do we say wa Kesha and it's Waukeshaw. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I think we even made a nod to Kesha

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Speaker 1: and said Waukesha. Oh did we? I think so? Brother,

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Speaker 1: You're like at least I meant to right. Uh, we

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Speaker 1: heard from a lot of folks already, and and it

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Speaker 1: just got dropped like you know, hours ago. Only emailed

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Speaker 1: descrrection because I'm a resident of Walkeshaw and even work

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Speaker 1: for Walksha County and I'm used to hearing it pronounce

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Speaker 1: the incorrect way a lot. It's always also gave me

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Speaker 1: an excuse to find the email you guys to say

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Speaker 1: I'm such a big fan, keep up the great work.

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Speaker 1: Let us from Ron Swanson, who works, believe it or not,

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Speaker 1: at the Parks Department of walker Shot County. Very nice,

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Speaker 1: thanks a lot of Ron. Quite a coincidence, and I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Ron has to hear that all the time. Wait, why? Who? What?

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Speaker 1: What's a coin? What's a coincidence? Ron Swanson? The name

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Speaker 1: sounds very familiar. Is that parks and write? The TV

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Speaker 1: show Nick Offerman's character was Ron Swanson. No, so this

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Speaker 1: guy is Ron Swanson? Actually insane? Wow? That's amazing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: pretty great. Great, um, well great, thanks for writing in

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Speaker 1: Ron Swanson if it is your real name, and if

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Speaker 1: it is, that's pretty great. Uh. And if you want

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Speaker 1: to be like Ron Swanson and be an amazing coincidence,

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