1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show, a fellow Ridiculous Historians, thank you, 3 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: as always so much for tuning in. Let's hear it 4 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: for our super producer, Max, the super civil Williams. 5 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a really good clap, guys. 6 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 4: He was super tight. 7 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: Before we went, so we like to clap together. It's 8 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: an artifact from our old school recording days. We love 9 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: a ritual. I definitely love a ritual. And right before 10 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: we rolled, I was supposed to do the intro and 11 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: I said, ooh, you guys, that was a really good clap. 12 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: We're recording remotely and we just nailed it well. 13 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 5: And we're having some big Friday energy on Thursday because 14 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 5: tomorrow's holiday, right observed observed holiday. 15 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 2: Yes, right, right as we're gearing up for the celebration 16 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: of the United States. A real up and comer, that's 17 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 2: mister Noel Brown. They called me ben Bull and esquire 18 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 2: here for tax purposes and a couple of legal loopholes. 19 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: But no, you remember the Civil War, right dude? 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 4: Oh man? 21 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 5: How could I forget brother fighting brother, you know, in 22 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 5: the in the blood in the streets of these American states. 23 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a weird name, right for a very calling 24 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 2: the Civil War the Civil Wars is strange, it's yeah, 25 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: it's very uncivil, but it is a thing. It is 26 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: a thing that had to happen because, as we know 27 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: quick and dirty on it, the US was increasingly divided 28 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: leading up to eighteen sixties. 29 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 5: And yeah, millionaire, history doesn't relays repeat, but it sure 30 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 5: does rhyme, I think is how it goes. 31 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, just so, my guy, and the US at this stage, 32 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: leading into the late or mid toally eighteen hundreds, had 33 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: been increasingly divided by economic woes, cultural disparities, and most 34 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: importantly the practice of chattel slavery. 35 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 5: Part of our history some folks seem to have forgotten. 36 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 5: A coalition of states in the South declared they would 37 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 5: secede from their very own country, and this of course 38 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 5: led to one of the bloodiest conflicts in all of 39 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 5: the history of the United States. And the course of 40 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 5: that war, which just lasted around four years from eighteen 41 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 5: sixty one to sixty five, we lost somewhere between six 42 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 5: hundred and twenty thousand to eight hundred and fifty thousand souls. 43 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, and today, if you grow up in the United 44 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 2: States so far, depending upon how education goes in the 45 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 2: near future. You already know the story. The Union forces 46 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 2: of the Northern States ultimately win the war. The Confederate forces, 47 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: like you said, no, the secessionist forces of the Southern States. 48 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 2: They give up their goal of becoming a different country. 49 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: It leads to a country that, as of eighteen sixty 50 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: five is officially on paper, reunited, but the horrors of 51 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 2: slavery continue to reverberate through generations into the modern day. 52 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: It takes decades upon decades for the actual United States 53 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 2: to truly reunite in practice and policy instead of just 54 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: on paper. We've all seen stuff like Gettysburg. We all 55 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: probably have a history boten in our family or friendship 56 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: circles that's obsessed with some aspect of the Civil War. 57 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: But it's so weird due because there are hundreds of 58 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: stories that remain somewhat obscure during all that chaos. In 59 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: today's episode is about one of them. 60 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 4: It's right. This is the tale to are you afraid 61 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: of the Dark at a little Bit? 62 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 5: I present to you, submitted for the approval of ridiculous 63 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 5: historian society. 64 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 4: This is the tale of the so called Kingdom of Callaway. 65 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 2: I was inspired to research this episode because of, you know, 66 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 2: like so many things, we start learning about one aspect 67 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 2: of something and it leads us to a thousand other things. 68 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: Like Tolkien said, way leads onto way. Callaway County, folks, 69 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 2: you've probably never heard of it. Pull up a map 70 00:04:55,279 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 2: of the great state of Missouri, and if you look about, well, 71 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 2: if you look a little northeast of Missouri's capital, Jefferson City, 72 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: you'll see Calloway County. It's about thirty minutes or thirty 73 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 2: three minutes drive away from Jefferson City. And if we're 74 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: being technical, this story does take place before the automobile, 75 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 2: So it's more like a ten. 76 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 4: Hour hike, right, not just a tiny, little, you know, jaunt. 77 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 5: So, like so much of the United States, people had 78 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 5: been living in that area way before the modern country 79 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 5: became established, became a thing. The area was historically occupied 80 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 5: by native people, including the Osage, as well as other tribes. 81 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,839 Speaker 5: Other cultures began to emerge following thousands of years of 82 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 5: settlement by these indigenous folks. The official Callaway County was 83 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 5: created on November twenty fifth of eighteen twenty and named 84 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 5: for a captain James Callaway, a grandson of Daniel Boone. Yeah, yeah, 85 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 5: who killed himself a bar when he was only thing 86 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 5: that was Davey Crockett. 87 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 4: But Didn'tdavey Crockett Daniel Boone have an intersection. 88 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 5: In some way? 89 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: I believe se Yeah, I believe Sue. And they had 90 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 2: the great ambition to one day each be a subject 91 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 2: of our podcast, Ridiculous History. So we're going to make 92 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: that true for the guys at some point. The issue 93 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 2: with Callawai County, which is pretty neat, is that this 94 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 2: is still sort of the early days of the American experiment, 95 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: which is still pretty young. So forming Callaway County, the 96 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 2: formation thereof actually occurred before Missouri itself became a state. 97 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: Missouri didn't become admitted to the Union until eighteen twenty one. 98 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 2: Let's go to Max Williams. 99 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 3: So for my quick research I'm doing over here, Daniel 100 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 3: Boone was fifty two years older than Davy Crockett, and 101 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: they never interact. 102 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 4: What I swear, it's one of those pieces of lore. 103 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 5: I think you know what it is is they were 104 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 5: just sort of regarded similarly as like these sort of 105 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 5: frontier kings, and they get mentioned in the same breath 106 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 5: a lot, and I think I'm just shipping them maybe, 107 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 5: like a lot of folks fans of history might. 108 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: But thank you for that. Max with the facts, Max 109 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 2: with the facts. Let's see the instrumental version. 110 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 6: I love that one. 111 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: There we go, so we know that most of the 112 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 2: people who are going to Callaway County who are not indigenous, 113 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: they are early European American settlers, and they're from what 114 00:07:55,480 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: we would call the Upper South Virginia, Kentucky, Tennessee. There 115 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: was also a pretty significant uptick in German immigrants who 116 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: specifically start arriving in the eighteen thirties. These folks from 117 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 2: the Upper South. Again it's a loose street term. They 118 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: are bringing their own culture with them when they're colonizing 119 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: the land. So they're saying, hey, we already know how 120 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: to farm hemp, we'll do it out here. We already 121 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 2: know how to grow tobacco, we'll do it out here. 122 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 2: But they also say, we love slavery, so we're going. 123 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 4: To do it out here too, exactly. Yeah now gross, oops. 124 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was gross. By eighteen sixty, we're fast forward. 125 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: In a few decades, people enslavement made up at least 126 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: twenty five percent of County Callaway's population, and that was 127 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: significantly higher than most areas of the state. It was 128 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 2: the I think it was at the time, it was 129 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: the fifth highest population of enslaved people in all of 130 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: what became Missouri. And this was a huge crucial fact 131 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 2: for our story because Missouri, as we remember, was never 132 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: an official part of the Confederacy, but we had a 133 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 2: lot of people in the region who tended to agree 134 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: with Confederate ideology, especially slave owners. They believed their economic 135 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: future rested entirely upon this practice. And to be clear, 136 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 2: in Callaway at least a lot of these folks were 137 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 2: not the sort of Antebellum mint Julip sip in White Linen, 138 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: Colonel Sanders looking folks who owned hundreds and hundreds of 139 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: people or enslaved them illegally. Instead, they were small landowners, right. 140 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: They often worked alongside the people that they had done 141 00:09:55,480 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: justly enslaved, and they were like, they weren't the big deal, 142 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: you know, gone with the wind types that you think 143 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 2: of when you hear agricultural slave owners. 144 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 5: Indeed, and while Missouri would primarily stay under the control 145 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 5: of the Union, both Missouri or Missouri if you're nasty 146 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 5: and neighboring. Kentucky had competing Union and Confederate governments, which 147 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 5: was a recipe for disaster. 148 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got two different governments saying we're provisional, but 149 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 2: we're in charge. And this is confusing to a lot 150 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: of people in Missouri because they are so far west 151 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: from the heated debates of Washington, DC. It's like, you know, 152 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: it's like reading news about something bad that happens in California. 153 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: You're gonna read the papers at this time, right, You're 154 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 2: gonna doom scroll through your local news rag and then 155 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: you'll encounter people in person. Like some folks based in 156 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 2: Missouri are going to travel back east for trade or 157 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: for work. There's gonna be a fairly continual flow of 158 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: pioneers who are heading west to seek their fortune. They'll 159 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: bring news with them. But for a long time, this 160 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: growing descent between the states that are more to the east, 161 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 2: the north, and the south. They're kind of academic because 162 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 2: you're reading about this and you're like, WHOA, stuff's going crazy? 163 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: WHOA what are they doing over there? But I still 164 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: have to pay my taxes. I got to live my 165 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 2: day to day life, you know what, I mean like 166 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: I can't. I can't. I can't call in worried about 167 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: America to work, you know what I mean. I still 168 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: have to do my job. 169 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 5: So what you're saying Ben in your research is that 170 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 5: whatever they saw as the best thing became. 171 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 4: The way that they had to remember that. 172 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 5: Despite not being stereotypically Southern, this place still was not great, 173 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 5: not good. Even they still had hate crimes, lynchings, and 174 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 5: all the other nasty accoutremont associated with channel slavery. Some 175 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 5: very powerful folks, especially agricultural moguls, wanted things to stay 176 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 5: just the same. 177 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And they're thinking, if we can avoid a war, great. 178 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: If war does break out a lot of us in 179 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: this part of Missouri, we hope it's going to resolve 180 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: itself before it reaches us, before it reaches the county line. 181 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: So even before the very first southern state announced that 182 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: it was seceding, Missouri's common residents began meeting up right, 183 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: the more forward thinkers. They're having these town halls, and 184 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 2: they're saying, Okay, this Abraham Lincoln, guy, I can't believe 185 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: a wrestler got elected, But what does this mean for 186 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: the country? 187 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 4: Right, And won't be the first time. Maybe not a wrestler, 188 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 4: but you. 189 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 2: Know, celebrity, right. And so the first meeting of the 190 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 2: Concerned Residents of Callaway County or the Callowegans as we 191 00:12:59,360 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 2: call themselves. 192 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 4: You're right, Glass regions, you know. 193 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, they get together. It's November nineteenth, eighteen sixty, and 194 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: they're at the county seat of Callaway County, Fulton. The 195 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 2: editor of the Fulton, Missouri Telegraph says, Okay, I'm calling 196 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: a meeting of all Union loving citizens of this country, 197 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 2: irrespective of party. And then they they pass, they pass 198 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: this funny series of resolutions that that just sounds so 199 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,479 Speaker 2: wingy and complaining. 200 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 6: How would you describe them there? 201 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 5: Bit? Yeah, I mean they did you know, Oh gosh, Ben, 202 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 5: have you seen this new Larry David special. Yes, yes, 203 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 5: the part where the dude where Larry David is like 204 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 5: the guy that wrote the first draft of the Declaration 205 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 5: of Independence, and it's just like all his grievances and 206 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 5: they're just the most stereotypical Larry David grievances, like people 207 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 5: should not be allowed to stroke their beards, or about 208 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 5: how you look at people sharing umbrellas is a no no. 209 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,959 Speaker 5: All these ones and of course they just laugh him 210 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 5: out of the parliament. But this is it has that vibe, 211 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 5: it's giving that vibe. These eight pretty wingy whatever you 212 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 5: call them grievances, right. 213 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So the people who show up to this 214 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:31,320 Speaker 2: meeting inspired by the Fulton, Missouri Telegraph, they say, okay, 215 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: we're going to adopt eight resolutions. Our eight resolutions are 216 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: all about how we don't like this ape linking guy. 217 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: And we think he's we think he yeah, we think 218 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: he's kind of a bell end. We don't like how 219 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 2: he shares umbrellas. It's kind of you know. 220 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 4: Hat's far too tall in his reach, far too long. 221 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's it's kakabamy. And they said, but also seriously, folks, 222 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: we're not going to secede from the Union unless the 223 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 2: Linked administration violates the rights of we Missourians, which is 224 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 2: our constitutional rights and for them, our rights to own slaves. Yikes. 225 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 5: You know it's funny though, Ben, I mean, even now, 226 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 5: Missouri is one of those interesting kind of transitional states 227 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 5: that gives a little north and gives a little south. Yeah, yeah, 228 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 5: got your Mark Twain, who strikes me as usually quite 229 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 5: a southern gentleman. But then You've also got elements of 230 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 5: that state that feel a little more of a north 231 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 5: northeastern sensibility very much so. 232 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, because so many people came from the Upper South. 233 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: It was it was this area of Missouri in particular 234 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: was often called little Dick. 235 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 4: Come Boy and the jumping real quick. 236 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: As I was in Saint Louis earlier this year, and 237 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 3: actually I'm going back later this year. Architectural in Saint Louis, 238 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: which you know is in it's it's not in the 239 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 3: center of the state. 240 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 5: Around with that, but it is the biggest kind of 241 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 5: metro area, right, Like it's more of the urban hobe 242 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 5: I guess right. 243 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 4: It reminds me a lot of like Detroit. 244 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, very Midwest. 245 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 4: Exactly, very much so. 246 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: And I will say a surprising barbecue scene and some 247 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 2: great jazz. 248 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 5: Uh And it's a barbecue and a style of jazz 249 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 5: that's a little distinct. It's it's it's kind of its 250 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 5: own thing. It's sort of a secret third thing, neither 251 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 5: northern nor southern. It's sort of this little middle ground. 252 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 2: And you guys know, I love museums. There's a phenomenal 253 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: art museum there. Check it out if you get a chance. Uh, 254 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: in this big meeting. So we've got our eight Larry 255 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: David esque resolutions. They're like, nah, I don't like the guy, 256 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: but mer me So they have had a ninth resolution 257 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 2: that was meant to denounce all secessionist movements in all 258 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: other states and also confirmed that the state of Missouri 259 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: would not help any revolutionaries or dissidents. But a lot 260 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: of people in that meeting said, it's too far, that's 261 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 2: too far. Just tell them we don't like the president. 262 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 2: We're not going to make trouble. We're just you know, 263 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 2: we're we're gonna be friends, and we hope there's not 264 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 2: a war. But a war did break out. A ward 265 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 2: did break out. It's the awkwardly named Civil. 266 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 5: War, and local opinions on the federal government started to 267 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 5: continue to curdle further once federal forces began to seize 268 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 5: people's property and resources, especially the Missouri Militia's Camp Jackson 269 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 5: over there in Saint Louis. This led to a pretty 270 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 5: significant uptick in secessionist support and a heated series of 271 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 5: legal backs and forths. 272 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the back and forth ree was strange, and 273 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: it's a story all its own. We have to acknowledge 274 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 2: that at the onset of the Civil War, a lot 275 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 2: of folks from Missouri volunteered on both sides of the conflict. 276 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: It's similar to Tennessee, which is how Tennessee got its 277 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 2: nickname the volunteer State. Because of the divided loyalties of 278 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 2: many citizens in the state, the Civil War was super 279 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 2: complicated in Missouri, and this was super true for Calloway 280 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:50,719 Speaker 2: County because Callaway is the easternmost county in that little 281 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: Dixie area we're describing. It is right next door to 282 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,239 Speaker 2: another county called Montgomery County, which is home to a 283 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 2: legendary abolitionist town called Herman with two rs and two ends. 284 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 2: In eighteen sixty one, because of their unique position, Callaway 285 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: finds themselves on the front line of a political and 286 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 2: physical battle over slavery because the Union is marching everywhere 287 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 2: right and they are certain that they are seditionists, what 288 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 2: we would call terrorists today, rebel forces in Missouri, and 289 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 2: they say, we're gonna nip this in the bud. We're 290 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: marching tf N because we're a family show. 291 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and Callowegans, Callowegians, I love it. It's giving 292 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 5: European heard that the Pike County Home Guards under the 293 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 5: supervision under the military supervision and the command of one 294 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 5: Colonel Thomas JC last name FA double g Yes that 295 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 5: is his real in fact name. Gonna leave that one 296 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 5: to the spelling for now, plans to invade Callaway County 297 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 5: from the north in Montgomery County where they were based 298 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 5: and subdue the recalcitrent rebels. Love that word, Ben, that 299 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 5: was your choice there in the outline, Uh, in Callaway? 300 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 5: What does racalcitrent mean? 301 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 1: That? 302 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 5: Does that mean they're they're like less than they're They're 303 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 5: they've been supplicated in some ways? 304 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: Uh ricalcitrant in this sense beans, Uh, stubborn refusing to apologize. 305 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 4: There you go, There you go. That makes perfect sense. 306 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 2: So like refusing to give anything up. 307 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 5: Exactly, not giving an inch, but perhaps taking a mile. 308 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 5: Tom was not alone here though, has he been? 309 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,960 Speaker 2: No, he wasn't. His boss was marching along too. This 310 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: is the less awkwardly named John B. Henderson, a general 311 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 2: who is in command of the Union State Militia forces 312 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 2: in northeastern Missouri. He is marching his force so along 313 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 2: with Colonel Thomas uh around six hundred very well trained 314 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: Union soldiers from Pike County southwest and they're headed straight 315 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 2: toward Callaway County's border. The General calls this an effort 316 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 2: to quote invade the county and bring its citizens under 317 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 2: subjugation to the Union. This is where we flip, like 318 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 2: in the Ridiculous History Cinematic universe. Now we have a 319 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 2: quick cut to the other side of the conflict. A 320 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 2: guy named Colonel Jefferson F. Jones. Now, this guy is 321 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 2: beat me here, Max, a bit of an asshole. He is, yes, right, 322 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: he's a lawyer, thank you. He's a lawyer. He's a 323 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 2: secessionist political leader from eastern Callawai County. Now, he wasn't 324 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 2: always a secessionist. He used to just be one of 325 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,479 Speaker 2: those guys who was like, we can keep America together 326 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,160 Speaker 2: as long as my state can own slaves. And then 327 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 2: when they said, you know, that's a bad thing to do, 328 00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 2: he was like, all right, well we're gonna leave and 329 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 2: I'm gonna make speeches about it. So he hears the 330 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: Union is coming, and he gets everybody he can and 331 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 2: he calls them troops when he gets them, but they're 332 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 2: not really troops. He gets them all together and he says, guys, 333 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 2: I know that Missouri has again voted against secession in 334 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 2: our state legislature. But I, like a lot of you 335 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 2: don't want these big feds, these union forces running I 336 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 2: almost said Milwaukee, but running running awry? 337 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 6: What's the worse? 338 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 2: Amuck's a great one. Yes, thank you, running amok through 339 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: our towns taking all our stuff. They took over our 340 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 2: you know, like you were saying, they took over our 341 00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 2: militia property. What's next? He says? All right, everybody meet 342 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 2: me in Brown Springs. You don't have to be in 343 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: my family seat. Yeah, you don't have to be it is. 344 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 2: You don't have to be a soldier. You don't have 345 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: to be a fighting age. If you're too young or 346 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 2: too old to fight with these big dogs, I will. 347 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 4: Take you, Jones, open arms with we will. 348 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: Take the broken toys. And we don't know how many 349 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 2: were there. 350 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 4: We don't it? Did it fluctuates? 351 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 5: Historians differ as to the number at Brown Springs between 352 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 5: around three hundred around seven hundred men. Some went home 353 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 5: and then came back, while others just kind of wafted 354 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 5: in over time. Some historical accounts say that at least 355 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,200 Speaker 5: one thousand men answered. 356 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 4: The call to arms, the open armed call to arms. 357 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, at some point right and Jones's forces, as you 358 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 2: can tell, and the resources very limited because so many 359 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 2: men who were already of pro fighting age had already 360 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 2: left to join the Union or the Confederacy. Is where 361 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: we go to a phenomenal source. Ovid Bell, a longtime 362 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 2: newspaper editor in Callaway County, a local historian. Bell tells 363 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: us that most of the men in Jones's force were 364 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: indeed too young or too old to be in an 365 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 2: actual Fax army shout out to Lauren Vogelbaum, so they 366 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 2: didn't have They also didn't have the same firepower or 367 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 2: equipment like they were. Imagine you're hanging out at your 368 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: house and you might have like a shotgun for protection, 369 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 2: or a handgun or a rifle for hunting, or you 370 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 2: just have a pitchfork or an old baseball bat. 371 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 4: Are you up to date on the House of the Dragon? 372 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 4: You watching the new season? 373 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 2: I am yes. 374 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,120 Speaker 4: I think it rules by the way, I really enjoy it. 375 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,919 Speaker 5: It reminds me of in the second episode this is 376 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 5: no spoiler, there's a confrontation where some one is threatening 377 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 5: an older fellow and then demanding that he you know, 378 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 5: meet his threats with arms, and the dudes like, bro, 379 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 5: I'm old man, I haven't wielded a sword and lo 380 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 5: these many years. Perhaps I can supplicate you in some 381 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 5: other way and leave it at that. But yeah, this 382 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 5: is there's definitely some folks that are no longer seasoned warriors. 383 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: Right yeah, and so they're outnumbered. And Jones, who is 384 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: definitely again I think I think he's a jerk, but 385 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 2: he is a smart dude. He creates her Concox this 386 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: out of the box plan. He says, all right, boys, 387 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 2: olds and youngs together, grab what you can. We're going 388 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 2: to march eastward. We're going to meet these approaching union 389 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 2: jerks and we're. 390 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 4: Not union jack's. I love that, right, Union jacks. 391 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 2: And we're going to make a We're gonna. 392 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 4: Make a big show. 393 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 2: We've talked about the illusion of military might in previous episodes. 394 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: They they did something they called like quaker guns or 395 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 2: Quaker logs. They took tree logs, wow, and they well 396 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 2: they painted them to look like cannons. 397 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 5: No, never mind, Okay, I was picturing them like he's 398 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 5: in some sort of These were like dummy guns, like 399 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 5: what's the word decoy guns? 400 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 6: Right? Yeah? 401 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, just so they made dummy guns and they said, 402 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 2: all right, we're gonna put these up in our area. 403 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 2: And if you are just looking at night, because we 404 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 2: don't have night vision, uh, it's gonna look like artillery 405 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 2: if you see it from far away. Got to have 406 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: a very good looking glass to figure that out. So 407 00:26:53,520 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: now now our Colonel Thomas F and our General Henderson 408 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 2: on the Union side are getting a little squigged out. 409 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 2: So on October twenty six, Jones sends two men over 410 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 2: to Colonel F's camp and they're carrying a letter from 411 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 2: Jones and it says, hey, let's do a non aggression agreement. 412 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: And Jones says, you know, why are you guys here 413 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: at the place, like, why are you trying to get 414 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 2: so close to our company and nol. This made me 415 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 2: think of conversations I've had with our own Max Williams 416 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: about the game Civilization. 417 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 4: Y'all a couple of SIV heads. 418 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 2: All right, well, well here's the thing. 419 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 4: Here's the here's the thing. 420 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: And Noel, you'll appreciate this. Something that happens often in 421 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,919 Speaker 2: Civilization is that if your civilization in the game by 422 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 2: Sid Myers, if you get too close to the borders 423 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 2: of another civilization, no matter how how friendly they are. 424 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: At some point they're going to say, hey, I noticed 425 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 2: you're moving troops or settlers around GTFO. 426 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 3: Hey what you doing here? Or even worse, when they're 427 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 3: like they're like, who are like, you know, let's say 428 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 3: they're a lot stronger than you and they're on your border. 429 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 3: You know, Hey, what's going on here? 430 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 6: Like? 431 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 4: Ah, nothing, nothing, nothing war? 432 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 6: Yeah? Yet? 433 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 2: Can we just peacefully pass through? Right? Can we make 434 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 2: open borders? Never say yes to that, and this. 435 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 3: Massive army that'll conquer you in a few turns walk 436 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 3: through and you know there's nothing on the other side. 437 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 3: We're just curious to see it. 438 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, This is an explorational idea. 439 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 4: So here's the deal. 440 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: In typical like good old boy fashion, which I hope 441 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: doesn't offend anybody, Colonel Jones says or implies, Hey, I 442 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 2: know you guys are union troops. I know you're fighting 443 00:28:55,080 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 2: for something. You all stay out of Calloway County, Okay. 444 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: And if you can promise to do that, if you 445 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 2: cannot quote invade, molest or occupy Callaway County, the me 446 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: and my nasty crew of real hard cases who are like, yeah, 447 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 2: who are like thirteen and sixty eight. If you can 448 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: guarantee you'll go away, then I'll disperse them. And by 449 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: the way, guys, we're callow we're what's the word, Calowegians, Colohegians. Yeah, 450 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: we're Callowegians. We're not part of the Confederate Army. We're 451 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 2: just guys who don't want invasions into our county. And 452 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: so they send this letter. And this is where it 453 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 2: gets really weird. We don't know how much is modern 454 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 2: myth making and embellishment, but it may have led to 455 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 2: a sovereign nation. 456 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, it may well have done that very thing. 457 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 5: It's tough to tell, but as the Louisiana Journal puts it, 458 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 5: as well as the Saint Louis Daily Missouri Democrat, letters 459 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 5: were published detailing the content of Henderson's reply, and those 460 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 5: letters are consistent with this. By these accounts, Henderson refused 461 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 5: to recognize Jones's authority as a commander and dictated terms. 462 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the historians still argue about this today. We're 463 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,040 Speaker 2: pulling a lot of this, by the way, from the 464 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: work of the phenomenal Andrew M. Sager, who wrote an 465 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 2: entire thesis about this for Northwest Missouri State University back 466 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen. What Sager tells us is that, like 467 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,640 Speaker 2: you were saying, Noel, the letters appear to be consistent. 468 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 2: Henderson says, okay, okay, Jones, pump your brakes. Well, buddy, 469 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 2: these guys are thirteen sixty eight years old. They're clearly 470 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 2: not well trained. I do not recognize you as a 471 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 2: military commander. Here's what you have to do. You can 472 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: disperse your troops and you can go home, or we 473 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 2: can tangle buddy. We can take it there if you want. 474 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: And apparently Jones, again, according to some historians, said okay, yeah, no, 475 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 2: you got us. You yet us, You got us. You're 476 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 2: there the you're the big dog here. But if you 477 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: go back to other historians, including the statements of Colonel 478 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 2: Jones himself, you'll see arguments that Henderson agreed lightly with 479 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 2: Jones's demands and said, you know, Jones sent a letter 480 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: and said, you know, don't go to Calloway County and 481 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 2: then we'll we you know, we'll leave it there. It's 482 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 2: fascinating because who wrote what to whom is super significant. 483 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 2: We know that both his oracle debates do note that 484 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 2: Henderson did accept Jones's claim that he was not a 485 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 2: Confederate operative that he and his boys were just concerned citizens. 486 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 2: They're not rebels, they're not terrorists. So we also do 487 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 2: know that Henderson backed off. 488 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 6: He did. 489 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 2: He said, I'm not gonna invade, I'm not going to occupy. 490 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna and I hate that they keep using 491 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: this word in the historical record, but it's the word 492 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 2: they use. I'm not going to molest Callaway County, which 493 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: leads to a legal debate. This could indicate that Henderson 494 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: recognized the political independence and sovereignity not of Missouri, but 495 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: specifically of Callaway County. So what if like Fulton County said, hey, guys, 496 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 2: we're not you know, like the new Civil War happens, 497 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 2: and Fulton County says, ah, we're not really in it. 498 00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 2: Just don't they'll come. They'll come to our house, you know, 499 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 2: and we're cool. 500 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 5: And since Henderson was an officer for the Army with 501 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 5: authority of that station, his engagement with Jones was a 502 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 5: lot like making a treaty with a whole other sovereign power. 503 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 5: So this truce with the US and Union forces essentially 504 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 5: allowed Confederate supporters to keep on keeping on operating under 505 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 5: surveillance not far from the Missouri government offices that were 506 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 5: located in Jefferson City. 507 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:42,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this truce is pretty crazy. And thankfully for 508 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: the good people, well the good and the bad people 509 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 2: of Callowe County, the treaty actually held just like an 510 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 2: international treaty. There was a battle the following year on 511 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 2: Callowegian soil, the Battle of Moore's Mill, and that was 512 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: a lot of Missourians fighting against misso terrans. It came 513 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 2: from unionist forces that were trying to stop those Confederate 514 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:11,400 Speaker 2: operatives you mentioned from recruiting more people into their cause. 515 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 2: But for a time, yes, folks, yes, way Ted and 516 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 2: fellow ridiculous historians, you can make a case that little 517 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 2: old Callaway County became a kingdom probably because it was 518 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 2: the most hassle free option for everyone involved at the time, 519 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You also like, yeah, like, 520 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 2: if you're the if you're General Henderson, do you really 521 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,720 Speaker 2: want to kill a bunch of teenagers and elderly folks? 522 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 5: I don't think so, you know what I mean. Don't 523 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 5: slaughter the younglings. Don't do it. They'll come back to 524 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 5: haunt you. 525 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: Do your best not to kill anybody. 526 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,759 Speaker 4: If you can, man for sure, but least of all 527 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,080 Speaker 4: the young lings. 528 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: I feel like you're in love with the word of 529 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 2: young lings. 530 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,360 Speaker 5: Well, it's you know, I was just talking about that 531 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 5: was the mo meant that young Anakin Skywalker turned to 532 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 5: the dark side? 533 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,359 Speaker 4: Boys slaughtered. Yes, it's not a good look. 534 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: Don't do it, folks, it's not a good look. It 535 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:16,400 Speaker 2: is crazily true. It's also you know, it's a little legalistic. 536 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 2: It's a matter of debate, and it's absolutely ridiculous. But this, 537 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 2: this treaty kind of saved lives in Callaway County is 538 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 2: very proud of it. You can check out their Historical 539 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 2: Society for some wonderful stories. They have a museum if 540 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 2: you're ever in the area right now. It's a county 541 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 2: like any other, so you don't need a visa, right 542 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 2: you can just stroll it in. Tell them ridiculous history 543 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: sent to you. We'd love to hear your experiences. Check 544 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 2: them out, and yeah. 545 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 4: I would love to check it out. This is news 546 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:51,200 Speaker 4: to me. 547 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 5: Ben, thank you so much for bringing us this topic 548 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 5: and this little little known ridiculous nugget from history. 549 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you as well to our super producer mister 550 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 2: Max Williams. No, have you ever been to Missouri? 551 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 4: I have not. We have once many years ago with 552 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,440 Speaker 4: Saint Louis. 553 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 5: But I have a dear friend and friend of the 554 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 5: show named Christy who lives in Saint Louis, and I 555 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 5: owe her a visit. She's coming here to Atlanta multiple 556 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 5: times and I need to check out her city. 557 00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 4: So looking forward to doing that and in. 558 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 2: Near future, shout out to you, Christy, Max look forward 559 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,240 Speaker 2: to meeting you one day. Big big thanks, of course, 560 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:34,720 Speaker 2: to Jonathan Strickland aka the Quist, aj Bahamas, Jacobs, Doctor, 561 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:36,879 Speaker 2: Rachel Big Spinach, Lance, who else? 562 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 6: Who else? 563 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 5: Oh my gosh cool, Christoph frostiotis the need to Jeff 564 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 5: goes here in spirit of course. 565 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, as well as Alex Williams, who composed this slap 566 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 2: and bop and you know it's it's funny with episodes 567 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 2: like this, Guys, I keep I keep making new pitches 568 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,919 Speaker 2: for road trips and like let's go to Japan, Let's 569 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 2: go to a hot air balloon. You know they do 570 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 2: always work out, But I think Missouri's doable. 571 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 4: I think so too. Once I got that arch. We'll 572 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 4: see you next time, folks. 573 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 5: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, 574 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 5: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.