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Join our community at soft rep dot com. 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: That's s o f r EP dot com. Ah beat force. 20 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,479 Speaker 1: If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough. You're 21 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: listening to software radio, special operations, military news and straight 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 1: talk with the guys and the community. Hey, everybody, welcome 23 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: to Software at Radio. Today we have a special guest 24 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: joining us, Dwayne, who's in a World War two veteran. 25 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: Shortly after D Day, was involved in the final push 26 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: throughout Europe to liberate France. Amazing story. He's I believe 27 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 1: nine years old. Was awarded one of France's highest medals 28 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: in two thousand and twelve for his role in the 29 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: liberation of France. Excited to have Dwayne on with us today. 30 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: He's got a great story and we got a great 31 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: show for you. So stand by. Hey, Duayanne is Brandon 32 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: web How How are you pretty good? How are you? 33 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good, no no complaints. So I really 34 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 1: appreciate you spending time with us today to share your story. 35 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: So Dwayne, I'm just for contact. Um. I'm a veteran 36 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: of both Afghanistan and Iraq wars and I spent about 37 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: thirteen years and the Navy, most of the time as 38 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: a Navy seal. I have a media company today. Part 39 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: of that is this podcast, Software Radio, and we reach 40 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: about a hundred thousand people a week through this this show, 41 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: and we love to have guys like yourself on the 42 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: show and share your story. And one of our guests 43 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: in the past have been astronaut Scott Kelly, who's the 44 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: longest American and Outer Space, as well as Rob O'Neil, 45 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: the guy that shot Asama bin Laden. So we really 46 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: appreciate your time today and I would love to get 47 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: into into your story if if you're ready, I'm ready. 48 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: All right? Can we just start by you sharing with 49 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: us like where you grew up and kind to catch 50 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: us up from from there and until now. You know, 51 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your your entire story where you 52 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: grew up, went to school. I read in your interview 53 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: in the local paper that that you joined right out 54 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: of high school because you said you would have been drafted. 55 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: But if you can, if you can kick us off, 56 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: that would be great, Okay. I grew up on the 57 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: farm with Kenova, South Dakota, graduated who come Alla High School, 58 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: and I joined the army and forty three we went 59 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: across in a boat to uh Liverpool and from Liverpool 60 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: we went to Southampton and then we wrote across to 61 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: the ocean or the river whatever it is too. Omaha beach, 62 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: Omaha Beach. We fought oh boy to St lo Or 63 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: was little good hammered pretty down gone bad. I got 64 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: wooded there on the threes, the July and my birthdays 65 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: on the thirties. First when I went to hospital in 66 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: for a couple of weeks. Yeah. Yeah, to back up, 67 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: how is the basic training? You said you went to 68 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: basic training in Georgia. Do you have any memories that 69 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: stand out? No? No, no, no, standum that was seventies 70 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: six years ago. May remember what happened yesterday? Yeah, that 71 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: makes two of us sometimes. Okay, so you you had 72 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: your birthday birthday hand grenade, and then they you're in 73 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: the hospital for a few weeks and then back with 74 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: the unity. Okay. So we landed on obro Beach and 75 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: I come home from River Have in Germany. We had 76 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: a lot of lotaways going. Do you have any particular memory, 77 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: because I have a few that that stand out. I 78 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: mean for me that I mean I went to Afghanistan 79 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: right after September eleventh, and I remember the first combat 80 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: mission very clearly. But is there any anything that stands out, 81 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: like as the story that you could share with us 82 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: about the experience. Yes, I was sent on patrols several times. 83 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: We go up to up to the river then and 84 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: I was with it, hooked up with a little guy 85 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: from Colorado, and he was an Indian. And we got 86 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 1: to the river and he said, you stay right here, 87 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: I'll be right back. He put a knife in his 88 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: mouth and the way he went after about forty five 89 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: minutes for an hour, here we come back again. Nothing. 90 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: We didn't see nothing another time when we we walked 91 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: three miles into the enemy territory one night our portoon 92 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: did we all surrounded there and then in the morning 93 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: they United States. I mean they pushed troops, their troops 94 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: into our where we were gardens. We got some nice 95 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 1: um nice shooting there, I guess you'd call us. Yeah, 96 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: I gotta seven point six five pistols from a captain 97 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: and he gave me his cap do to his helmet. 98 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: We had caught down enough in about a forty acre 99 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: field one time, and h on the eight genius and 100 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: we got had a will serve quite a while. They 101 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: end up getting six of our guys that night, and 102 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: so sniper did so that night we got that sniper. Oh, 103 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: just so many of the those things are hair ranging Nowaday, Yeah, yeah, 104 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you share this experience as well. 105 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: But I always find it fascinating. You need to come 106 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: you come home from war and and a lot of 107 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: people are they just don't realize how terrible it actually is. 108 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: You know. They think it's all a Hollywood movie, but 109 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: it put it in reality. It's it's pretty uh, it's 110 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: pretty nasty business. It really was. When we got home 111 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: and then selling, and then we come back from selling 112 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: on a train that suppose I was hungry. We didn't 113 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: have not deed yet, so I told Dad, we gotta 114 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: get some deed. I'm hungry. Dad said, know what, we 115 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: got yours to do, So we gotta go. Hod Ramble 116 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: takes a big steak. Yeah, you went over at eighteen 117 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: and so you were how old coming back twenty one? Okay, 118 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: so you could legally, uh have a beer at least? 119 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: Yeah when I come back. Yeah, so I did read 120 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: and you're one of your interviews, you said you're determined 121 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: not to let the horrors of war alter your future. 122 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: Do you have any any comments on that? Because I 123 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: thought that's a pretty powerful statement and a lot of 124 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: we have a lot of veterans that listened to this 125 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: show as well, and that that's been my philosophy is 126 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: you got to let the past be in the past 127 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: and carry on the future. But any comments on that, 128 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: any what were raising the kids? Any of those horror 129 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: movies you'd come on. I'd look in the door and 130 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: see as on Turn Around lifty and I couldn't stand them. Yeah, horring. 131 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: So as far as like leaving the war in the past, 132 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 1: do you have any advice for the veteran of today's 133 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: war in Iraq and Afghanistan as far as leaving that 134 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: that behind and starting a new future, because I you know, 135 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: I read a little bit about your background and it 136 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: seemed like you had a pretty pretty full life and 137 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: accomplished quite a bit as as a farmer and a 138 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: mayor and a town historian. But but any advice that 139 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: you could share with with any veterans that are transitioning today. No, 140 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: I don't have any advice. I don't know what I 141 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: would say. I already hectic live. Buri's nine kids. They're 142 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: all doing pretty good. That's good. So I think I 143 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: think he's probably said it in that in that paragraph 144 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: when I read in your interview, just better to leave 145 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: the the past behind and and live for the future. 146 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: So describe when you when you came home. Um, can 147 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: you just describe what you ended up doing a career wise, 148 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: and how you ended up as a mayor. Well, I 149 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: got married in forty six then and after a few years, 150 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: my wife and I we moved to town and there 151 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: I got stuck being there then. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, 152 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: real big in baseball in Canoba. Yeah, that's right. You 153 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: were also inducted into the Amateur Baseball Hall of Fame. 154 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: Can you talk to us about the baseball Oh? Man, 155 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: my brother letter to a gay who. We started baseball 156 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: team in Canova and it's going every since then. They've 157 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: been several states one, there's a state tournament several times more. 158 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just a baseball nut. Nice. Any 159 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: funny military story that you remember, I mean, we all 160 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 1: we all have quite a few characters that we meet 161 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: in the in the military. But anything, any funny story 162 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: that stands out particular. I don't think he such a 163 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: funny story in the war. Well maybe not the war, 164 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: but you know there's this maybe in basic training or 165 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: or after afterwards. You know, I think, you know, guys 166 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: do a lot of stuff to blow off steam, you know, 167 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: when they're deployed anything stand out in particular. No, I 168 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 1: was too young to catch you on. Yeah, you said 169 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: you were, you were awarded. Let's see the Legion of Honor, 170 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: which is the highest award the French government can give. 171 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: I believe it was established by Napoleon. But could you 172 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: talk about just what that experience was like for you 173 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: all these all these years later, going back to France 174 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: to receive that award. Well, that was really something. I 175 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: took my boy ed with us, ed and I went 176 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: back over there and I think it was and we 177 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: went back over there in twelve and it was right, 178 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: it was honor, never honored st loud. Then well I 179 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: got that awarded French award them and I was so 180 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: flabergasted about that. I couldn't believe it. But they went 181 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: through to give me that medal and as the highest 182 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,839 Speaker 1: award that France gave up during World War Two. That 183 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: must have been a pretty pretty emotional experience for you. Yeah, 184 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: that was really quite an experience. Were you a part 185 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: of the D Day Landing Force as well? So it 186 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: was okay? So yeah, yeah, I was. I was in 187 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 1: Normandy last year. It was pretty surreal experience, you know what. 188 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: And I watched a lot of his history and on 189 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: television stuff like that. But being over there, you could 190 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: feel just the energy in those you know, small French villages. Yeah, 191 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: that's for sure. Well when United on you with to 192 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: and I was just in the town and a Normandy. 193 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: I didn't go to Omaha Beach. I had a friend 194 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: who had a he was French. Um. I went to 195 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: business school with him and he had a birthday party 196 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: in Normandy. But you know, it was the World War Two. 197 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: History is very much alive and well in that area 198 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 1: of France. Yeah, that's for sure. Just like this, what's 199 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: this guy's name, Montana Dempsey. He was over there just 200 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: two years ago too, and he took a bunch of 201 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: pictures and he's he was explained to me how everything 202 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: he looked yet that would read something fall. So I 203 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: got to go to the Twins game. Got to go 204 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: to the Twins game last fall, and I raised the flag. 205 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: I got to raise the flame in the Minnesota Twins. 206 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: Very cool. Oh yes, there was seventy some bus I 207 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: went to see that. I used to pronounce all the 208 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: talent team games here in Cano for years and years. 209 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: He used to on fire for the town team. Then 210 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: I end up being their announcer all their home games. 211 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: And so I've had a pretty excited like And I 212 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: coached all my kids and we went a lot of 213 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: state tournaments. That's great. I'm a I'm a little league 214 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: coach myself. You yeah, you probably uh would agree with this. 215 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: So the kids that are great, it's the parents that 216 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: you have to worry about. Oh that's for sure. Yeah. 217 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: Who's your favorite baseball player? I really don't have a 218 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: little favorite. Yeah. No, no player stands out for you 219 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: as as a professional player court by Pope Kirby. Yeah, yeah, 220 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: very cool. Hi. I'm Brandon Webb, former Navy Seal and 221 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 1: founder of the Craig Club. Are you tired of scrambling 222 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: to figure out the perfect Father's Day gift for the 223 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: most important guy in your life? I think they like 224 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: military grade survival gear delivered directly to their doorstep. 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Um so I 243 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: would say I really on behalf of the myself and 244 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 1: the soft up audience. We really appreciate you know, your 245 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: serve this and and not only in the war, but 246 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: just as a as a great citizen of America and 247 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: everything you've done. And I really really appreciate youth carving 248 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: out some time for us to today, Dwayne, just to 249 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: share a little bit of your story. Thank you for 250 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: of course, I appreciate it and have a great have 251 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: a great day, Dwayne. Okay, thank you very much. So yeah, 252 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 1: what a what a great treat for us to have 253 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: Dwayne Miller on the show. And for those that you 254 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: that don't know his whole background. Um, and how we 255 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: got connected, I was, I was on Instagram chatting with 256 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: a group of people and then somebody shared with me 257 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: that they had a grandfather who was a World War 258 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: Two veteran, was a former mayor, inducted into the Amateur 259 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,439 Speaker 1: Baseball Hall of Fame, and that was Dwayne. That's how 260 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,959 Speaker 1: we got connected with Dwayne. I was hoping to get 261 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: him to open up a little bit about some of 262 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: the stories, but obviously as a long time ago. So 263 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: just grateful to have him on the show and get 264 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: a little piece of piece of his recollection. And like 265 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 1: we spoke about in the interview, Dwayne was awarded the 266 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: Legion of Honor in France and two thousand twelve, which 267 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: is the highest award the French government. Can give a 268 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: lot of history with that war award as well as 269 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: it was established by Napoleon himself. You know, there was 270 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,120 Speaker 1: in prepping for the interview, I read an interview Dwayne 271 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: gave for The Daily Republic, which is his local paper, 272 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: and I'll share some of that with you right now. 273 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: What I also like, maybe like isn't the right word 274 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 1: about it, the when I think of World War Two 275 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 1: in comparison to the modern wars of today. You know, 276 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:56,639 Speaker 1: take Iraq and Afghanistan for example. You know, early in 277 00:18:56,720 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: the Afghan War, there was a sense of purpose and 278 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: the purpose was to you know, wipe out the terror 279 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: training camps and and a lot of bad guys. And 280 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, that was largely accomplished in 281 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: the first couple of years, and we should have check 282 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: the box and pulled that Afghanistan. You know, here we 283 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: are still twenty years later in Afghanistan with not much 284 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: to show for it, and along the way we lost 285 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: our purpose. And I think, you know, the difference between 286 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: of the World War two generation Vietnam and and the 287 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: modern generation of of of combat veteran is purpose. Right, 288 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 1: there was really no clear purpose in Vietnam Afghanistan a 289 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 1: short period where there was where a very clear purpose. 290 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: Everyone was aligned around that one common goal and it 291 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: and it kind of drifted. And I mentioned it in 292 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: the context of how people deal with the aftermath of war. 293 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: If it seems to me the World War two generation 294 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: really as much as you know, war is terrible, and 295 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: they saw an incredible atrocities at World War Two, including 296 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: the Nazi prison camps and the the death camps at Auschwitz, 297 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: you know, horrible stuff. But I feel like that World 298 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: War Two generation got along, they came back, and they 299 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: got along with their life much easier than say the 300 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 1: Vietnam and and my generation of combat veteran. Just as 301 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: an observation, and I I've spent a lot of time 302 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: thinking about this, and I really do think it has 303 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: to do with purpose, because it's very easy to to 304 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: kind of grasp what was happening Europe with Hitler and 305 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: then and the Nazi regimes, Like it was very very 306 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: clear that Hitler was a very bad guy and easy 307 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: to kind of define and wrap your head around that 308 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: cause where fast forward to two thousand and ten, two 309 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,200 Speaker 1: thousand and twelve in Afghanistan. You know, men and women 310 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: dying over there for reason, right, And that's where I 311 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: think a lot of these you know, war fighters come back, 312 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 1: these men and women, and they transition into the civilian world, 313 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: and they really struggle with a lot of things they 314 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: they've seen and they've done because there's this lack of 315 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: purpose behind it. And I really think that's why a 316 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: lot of the modern day veterans combat veterans really are 317 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: struggling with transition. You know, I've seen it personally, you know, 318 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: I've I've lived through it. But also look, I'm thankful 319 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: I only did a few combat deployments. It wasn't overexposed 320 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: to combat traumic. Because I have people I used to 321 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 1: know and be friends with it I am not friends 322 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 1: with anymore. I They're different people, and it's really because 323 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: they've been heavily psychologically affected by the trauma of combat, 324 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: just been overexposed on the outside. As a business owner, 325 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: you know, we really struggled early on in the business hiring. 326 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: We you know, we would hire as many veterans as 327 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: we good, but we did not screen very well and 328 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: we ended up with a lot of problems, like guys 329 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 1: that were really struggling with addiction and many other demons 330 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: um And so, you know, I do see a lot 331 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: of similarities with the Vietnam veterans as well as you know, 332 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: the Afghan Iraq combat veterans as well. Really kind of 333 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,959 Speaker 1: struggling with what what the hell was I over there for? Like, 334 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: what was the purpose? There are some incredible, incredible people 335 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: in the fifties in business, like Titans of industry, that 336 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: were former veterans of World War Two. So I just 337 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: think that generation dealt with it a lot better. And 338 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: if I, you know, had to put one thing, it 339 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: would be the whole purpose thing. Dwayne didn't get into 340 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: it too much, but I'm gonna kind of extrapolate from 341 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: the article. He mentioned that he was wounded once, Um, 342 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: you know right, I think the day after his birthday, 343 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: but he said hand greade hand grenade exploded by am 344 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: and and put trapped all into his left leg. Doctor 345 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: said he never walked straight again. But he ended up 346 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: having surgery on his his nineteenth birthday, So the grenade 347 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: was right before his birthday. I guess after three weeks 348 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: of surgery, three weeks later, he's back with his unit. 349 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 1: Miller said they needed bodies. He fought through France, Belgium, Holland, 350 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: uh and into Germany before the war ended in nineteen 351 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: Dwayne said the fighting was incredibly intense until the last 352 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: thirty days, and I guess, you know, the last thirty 353 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: days of the war, people kind of knew that, you know, 354 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: Germany was on their back foot. The peace talks were happening, 355 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, essentially the fighting kind of died down to 356 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: some degree. But I do I think you think it 357 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: was funny. Dwayne said his dad greeted him at the 358 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: train station when he came back from Europe at Sioux 359 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,919 Speaker 1: Falls and in ninety six, and he's like, hey, we 360 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: gotta hurry, hurry on him. There's lots of lots of 361 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: chores to do on the farm. And I don't know 362 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: if his dad was if that was intentional kind of 363 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: getting his son back into the you know, his his 364 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: mind off of off of the war, but it seemed 365 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: like it worked out for for Dwayne, and he did 366 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: he did comment that this was probably for the best. 367 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: Uh And and Dwayne said in this article, I'm reading 368 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: that he was determined not to let the horrors he 369 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: had lived through during the war alter his path in 370 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: the future, you know. And I asked him for his 371 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: advice on the on the call, and I know he 372 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: was a little humble, which I appreciate. But I but 373 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: I think that quote I just I just read is 374 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: probably great advice to anybody let alone, whether you're a 375 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 1: combat veteran or not. You know, you've got a regardless 376 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: of the past, you have to let it go and 377 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: in order to kind of drive forward into the future 378 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: with with no uh, with no baggage. So but really 379 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: I appreciate Dwayne coming on the show. Incredible story, you know, 380 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: going right out of high school at eighteen and coming 381 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: back you know when he was when he was twenty one, 382 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: having spent you know, his young adulthood in the army, 383 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: in the European theater, and then coming back you know, 384 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 1: it's getting married his wife, Marcella. They were married in 385 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty four, married for more than fifty seven years 386 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,719 Speaker 1: and nine children. So, you know, incredible legacy Dwayne leaves behind. 387 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: So fortunate to have him on the show. I hope 388 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed that that interview. We're really pushing to 389 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: get more of these kind of interviews and stories on 390 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: the show. You know, we got some good guests lined 391 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: up also, a few, um a few of military movies 392 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:56,200 Speaker 1: that are coming out. My my friend Todd, the director 393 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: of The Last Full Measure. Love to have Todd back 394 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: on the show in the next week. Or so just 395 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: to you know, describe his experience. You know, Todd is 396 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: a good friend of mine. We we met as fellow 397 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: pilots in this group that we fly with the act 398 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: fifties together. And you know, Todd put a lot of 399 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: a lot of heart into making that movie Last Full 400 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: Measure and had worked extensively with a lot of the 401 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: uh the former unit members for those of you guys 402 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: that don't know that, the Last Full Measures based on 403 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,360 Speaker 1: a pair of rescue Air Force pair of rescue crewman 404 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: who was awarded the Medal of Honor in Vietnam for 405 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 1: saving a bunch of lives during a firefight rescue. Would 406 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: be great to have Todd on the show with maybe 407 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: one of the actors. I know that in the movie 408 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: there was some pretty incredible, incredible actors. It would be 409 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: great to get Todd and one of the actors back 410 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: on the podcast. UM, So I'll work on that. We 411 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: got some more exciting news to share with you next 412 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 1: next time I'm on, I'll share that news. I would 413 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: also ask you guys to look at the store now. 414 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 1: We we rebranded the load out Room dot com as 415 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,919 Speaker 1: a as a survival store. Um. You can go to 416 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: the main site softwap dot com and just click shop 417 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: and see all the items. 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