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Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. Mary Tally Boden is a is

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Speaker 1: a reminder as to why we should not. We still

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Speaker 1: don't have all the information. We still have not revealed

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Speaker 1: all the misinformation, we still have not cast blame, and

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Speaker 1: of course, most importantly, we still have not punished those

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Speaker 1: who deserve to be punished. Mary Tally Boden has a

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Speaker 1: new book out. Oh, I did not realize. Did you

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Speaker 1: see the name of the book, How Michael Barry Changed

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Speaker 1: My Life? Wow? That is really nice, Mary Tally, Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the program.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Yes, the majority of the book is all

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Speaker 2: about you, Michael.

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Speaker 1: She did threaten that I should probably read it before

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Speaker 1: she published it, because I wouldn't like some of it.

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Speaker 1: I said, that's okay, I just won't read it. I'll

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Speaker 1: just make sure nobody reads it. I'll just say it

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Speaker 1: didn't get published. First of all, let's go back to

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Speaker 1: the first time you were on. You told Ramon it

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Speaker 1: was August of twenty one. It was not. It was

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Speaker 1: And I had you on because I saw a video

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Speaker 1: of you that described self described you as doctor snotsucker,

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Speaker 1: And I said, any attractive woman doctor who can go

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Speaker 1: by that name. That's that's I like her already. And

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Speaker 1: then I had you on and we'd never met, and

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Speaker 1: I kidded with you relentlessly, and you told me afterwards

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Speaker 1: of that jog your memory?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Well, don't take this the wrong way, as.

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Speaker 1: You were what's that.

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Speaker 2: I guess? Well, I mean, I honestly had no idea

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Speaker 2: But it just speaks to the fact that I was

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Speaker 2: not political at all. Like, I had never turned on

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Speaker 2: did not realize what I was getting myself into when

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Speaker 2: So let's just set the record straight. It was quite

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Speaker 2: traumatic that interview because it went on for three hours,

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Speaker 2: I'd never done a live interview, and I was not political,

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Speaker 2: so I didn't know what I was getting myself into.

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Speaker 2: But I am very grateful, Michael.

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Speaker 1: And we had dinner that night and my wife explained

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Speaker 1: to you, Oh, no, no, he's that's he's jocular with people.

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Speaker 1: He really likes. That just means he really likes you,

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Speaker 1: and it is Oh okay if that's what that means.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about your journey. So you went

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Speaker 1: Yes? Yes, And I told you that was a dumb word.

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Speaker 1: And you didn't appreciate that. And I said, just be

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Speaker 2: So, I mean I had a very quiet practice ranis

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Speaker 1: As as methodists began to attack you, as your credibility

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Speaker 1: say and do horrible things related to you. What sustained

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're standing by the truth, it's not

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Speaker 2: And when you treat thousands of patients with the same

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Speaker 2: You know based on how people respond to the treatment plan.

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Speaker 2: And so I was very confident in what I was doing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you say that now that it was pretty nasty,

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Speaker 1: but they put you through. But we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: about what we have learned from all of this. The

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Speaker 1: book is dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, the Treatments and the Lies.

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Speaker 1: Mary tallybode Doctor Mary tallybot our guest coming up the

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Speaker 1: Michael Berry Show. Doctor Mary tally Boden is our guest

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Speaker 1: her book Dangerous Misinformation, The Virus, The Treatment and the Lies.

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Speaker 1: Looking back now, with the body of knowledge you have,

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Speaker 1: you've there are probably five people in the country who've

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Speaker 1: of those five. You've been on Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan

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Speaker 1: happened to you. Let's start with what happened. You talked

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Speaker 1: we're going to do to treat COVID. What would you do?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know not certainly not introduce a gene modifying

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Speaker 2: But yeah, and you know, basically just giving the people

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Speaker 1: That there are so many things I want to und

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm more diligent about vitamin D. I look at

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Speaker 2: System, right right, Okay, I'm also you know I knew

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Speaker 2: But what bothers. I'm just trying to fight all the

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Speaker 2: zimbic propaganda. That's my purpose in doing that, that there's

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm so passionate about carnivore. I just feel

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Speaker 2: like we've got to counteract all that big pharma propaganda.

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Speaker 1: But realistically, realistically you, I mean, look at your life.

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Speaker 1: your message dramatically, I guess.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't see my follower count explode or

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Speaker 2: anything like that. I mean it just, you know, it's

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Speaker 2: been going up very steadily. I didn't see some sort

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Speaker 2: of huge explosion, but yeah.

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Speaker 1: I guess is there any regret you have through all

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Speaker 2: I mean it has taken as tall. I am exhausted,

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Speaker 2: and if you know, i'd been giving. If I had

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Speaker 2: been given a choice, I don't know that I would

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Speaker 2: have chosen this. But I mean I've learned a lot,

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Speaker 2: and I'm a lot stronger. I mean I used to

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Speaker 2: hate public speaking, and I'm pretty introverted, and so I've

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Speaker 2: been forced to use my voice, and yeah, I feel

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Speaker 2: like I can help people by speaking out, and so

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Speaker 2: you know, it hasn't been great, but I wouldn't I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't change it at this point.

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Speaker 1: I think we all have purpose in life, and some

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Speaker 1: of us find it and some don't, and sometimes that

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Speaker 1: purpose changes with each season in life. But I think

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Speaker 1: you met your moment, and I think maybe you never

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Speaker 1: expected to be in the situations where you ended up,

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Speaker 1: and yet you rose to the occasion in a way

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Speaker 1: you probably never could have guessed you would summon that

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Speaker 1: level of strength, and that has to be that has

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Speaker 1: to be a pretty cool experience to look back on. That.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, things came together in a way that

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Speaker 2: made it impossible not to fight back. So it seems

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Speaker 2: sort of fortuitous more than me actually choosing a path.

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Speaker 2: It just kind of happened. Uh, And yeah, it's like

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Speaker 2: I said, it's it's strengthened me in ways I never imagined.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I would just encourage people. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: hard when you speak the truth and you're outspoken about

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Speaker 2: what you're seeing, it's it's difficult. But after going through

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Speaker 2: a very low point, I feel like I'm going you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm rising now. I'm still in survival mode, but I

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Speaker 2: do have I have one win I did. I sued

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Speaker 2: the f d A in one but we have we

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Speaker 2: still have so much more fighting to do. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: I want I want my story to be a triumph,

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Speaker 2: not just survival.

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Speaker 1: Well, and and that brings us to the next thing

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Speaker 1: and what your life looks like and where you see

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Speaker 1: that going forward in the near and long term. Obviously

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Speaker 1: you've moved your your clinic, you have they change. I

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Speaker 1: get emails from folks who say they can't get an

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Speaker 1: appointment with you, and I say, she's not taking new patients.

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Speaker 1: She has her political side and she has her medical side.

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Speaker 1: What does that look like for you in the near

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Speaker 1: and long term.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I'm taking new patients now. Just I

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Speaker 2: was moving and it was just too chaotic to try.

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Speaker 2: I didn't want to, you know, take on more than

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Speaker 2: I could bite shoe off. And I'm going to, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean to continue to practice. I think that's key

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Speaker 2: because it keeps your finger on the pulse of what's

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Speaker 2: going on. I am going to do a weekly podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm collaborating with an independent journalist, Shannon Joy and coming

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Speaker 2: on after her show, and it's going to be called

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Speaker 2: on Call with Doctor Mary Tally Boden. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: focus on answering questions because I'm sure you can relate.

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Speaker 2: My dms on social media are just flooded with people

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Speaker 2: with questions and requests and I just can't keep up

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Speaker 2: with it. See this as a way, okay, I can.

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Speaker 2: I can answer the questions that the most people have

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Speaker 2: and get get it all done once a week and

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Speaker 2: give people a voice. I mean, I've been interviewing people

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Speaker 2: on this other podcast platform called America out Loud News,

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Speaker 2: and I find it very gratifying because, like you, you

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Speaker 2: gave me a voice and it really was helpful, and

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Speaker 2: so I like giving other people a voice when they've been,

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Speaker 2: you know, persecuted or beaten down and giving them a

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Speaker 2: chance to share their story. I find that very gratifying.

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Speaker 1: And when will that begin?

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Speaker 2: In September, first week of September. It will be on Wednesdays.

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Speaker 1: Is it on call? C A l L or c

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a thick, it's like a stew. I

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Speaker 1: think it would be awesome if you did it as

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Speaker 1: on call and people tune in and they think they're

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Speaker 1: going to get COVID talk and instead you talked about

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Speaker 1: how to make the best Welsh stew. Now that would

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Speaker 1: be Verry Norm McDonald.

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Speaker 2: That that is the first I've heard of that, So

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Speaker 2: give it some thought, give.

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Speaker 1: It some thought. I could see you being big and

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Speaker 1: Cardiff and it's a whole new audience for you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you know there's Have you been to Welles? It's it's

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Speaker 1: really beautiful. No, I haven't Wells. It's like parts of

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Speaker 1: Colorado that have no industry, no business, no hardly anything,

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Speaker 1: just a little resort shop there where you hire some

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Speaker 1: guide to go for a hike. And I could see

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Speaker 1: that being I could see that being really your moment.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's Peter mccallaugh, others. There's all these different

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Speaker 1: guys out there doing the medical thing. You could do

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Speaker 1: the Welsh stew thing ironically, but never never acknowledge it.

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Speaker 1: That's that. That would be the memory of Norm MacDonald

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Speaker 1: living on mary Tally Bode. And I am so proud

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Speaker 1: to call you my friend. You are really and I

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Speaker 1: know you don't take well to compliments, You're like Chad Knakanishi,

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Speaker 1: but you really are a hero. What you have done,

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Speaker 1: the people you have saved, and the voice you have found,

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Speaker 1: and your willingness to continue to fight and show people

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Speaker 1: to fight the way Trump did after he got shot

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Speaker 1: in the head. It's incredibly inspiring. The book is dangerous

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Speaker 1: misinformation by it today, the virus, the treatment and the lies.

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Speaker 1: with us.

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