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Speaker 2: It's one more thing, one more thing.

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Speaker 3: Joe and I disagree on this because I take it

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Speaker 3: of Fame, because I always wanted to do. I found

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Speaker 3: it extraordinarily underwhelming. Like if I had gone there on

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Speaker 2: Very disappointed that I spent my money that way.

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Speaker 1: I found it thoroughly amusing and entertaining in a way

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Speaker 3: It wasn't my not caring about music that was it.

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Speaker 3: I just thought it was just underwhelming all the way around.

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Speaker 1: But you didn't like seeing Keith Richards pants now small.

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Speaker 1: They were Joe Strummer's telecaster. Come on from the clash,

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna do the twenty twenty five inductees have

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Speaker 3: a second. But it's opened in eighty three. First class

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Speaker 2: First class should be pretty easy to do. First Class of.

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Speaker 1: The rock and Chuck Berry Stone no Beatles, no Stones, No, no, what.

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Speaker 2: Berry gotta be No Beatles? Shut up? Who was in

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Speaker 1: Your pioneering people, right, Yeah, I don't remember. I've seen

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Speaker 3: Elvis, Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Fats Domino, James Brown, Sam Cook,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 3: There's only one person that's been in there three times.

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Speaker 3: That's a pretty good guess. He is in there twice.

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Speaker 3: All the Beatles we got in there as Beatles and

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Speaker 2: Ringo got in the Hall of Fame as a solo artist.

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Speaker 1: And Wings didn't make it in I'm surprised by that.

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised. It's Eric Clapton.

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Speaker 3: Eric Clapton is in three times. And that's about it.

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Speaker 3: And that's about how exciting the Rock and Roll Hall

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Speaker 1: One day, the city fathers and mothers of Cleveland, Ohio

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Speaker 2: Crappiness? Somebody suggested, No, that's no good. We can't have

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Speaker 1: Alan Freed, an old timey DJ who arguably conceivably may

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Speaker 2: All right, how about a rock and roll Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 2: And hence the dream was born.

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Speaker 1: It's a pop music tourism center.

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Speaker 3: There have been several of the Rock and Roll Hall

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Speaker 1: There's also a lot to hate about those ceremonies. There

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Speaker 3: Yes, have you ever seen the one where John Mayer

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Speaker 3: Would you go to Cleveland just for that? Or you're

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Speaker 3: Outcast, Cindy Lapper was a big deal for a couple

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite is a stunning on some of those recordings,

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Speaker 3: Because so the it's kind of like the way AI

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Speaker 2: How the hell did they do that? No auto tune

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's so wondrous. You can't even

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Sorry, Katie. I could bore you to

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Speaker 2: death with his stuff, but I'm enjoying it. Yeah. Good. Oh. No,

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Speaker 3: Jack's broken over that.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I think she is in, isn't she? I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So to Jack's point with the AI thing, or and

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Speaker 3: Yah?

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Speaker 2: Real good, pretty good condiment. It's good advice.

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Speaker 1: And back to our really childishly idiotic genital's theme of.

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Speaker 2: Earlier every aspect.

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Speaker 3: Every time we bring up rock and Roll Hall Hall

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm just maybe I maybe I was sick the day

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Speaker 2: On the tour.

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Speaker 3: I took my kids of the Jelly Belly Factory many times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can lander the good folks at Jelly Belly Michael.

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Speaker 2: Have you been, Katie? I have? Have you been when

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Speaker 2: I hate jelly bellies. It is because I went on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you go on a day where it's strawberry

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Speaker 3: God dang it, we did that as a contest one

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Speaker 3: time for cousin cousin Christmas, Me, my brothers, my mom

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Speaker 3: and dad, everybody, uh and uh brought all the different

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Speaker 2: Nobody.

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody could choke down vomit, but there's

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Speaker 3: there's some gross flavors.

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Speaker 2: Ah yuck. Well, I guess that's it.