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Speaker 1: the former NFL player, college football player, college football analysts

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Speaker 1: for c W. You see me all the time. And

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Speaker 1: and he's also like the guy behind the curtain behind

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Speaker 1: Ralph Hampston.

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Speaker 2: I love you know what I love is I love

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Speaker 2: that's great, that's a good question. That's a good question.

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Speaker 1: Amen. What watch times are long on Thursday? So people

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Speaker 2: So you just said something that I think is really important.

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Speaker 2: National Signing Day. Like, as a member of the media,

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Speaker 2: it's been it's been a minute. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: Like, Oh, I'll never forget it. I signed my letter

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Speaker 1: Okay, so at that point in time there was only

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Speaker 2: So he's doing it then, like can I can I

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Speaker 2: You remember that song? Was it? Carly Simon? You're so

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Speaker 1: No, he will not have won a national championship and

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Speaker 1: just not a he's not a winning player. Oh, I'm

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00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: sorry he's not a championship player, because he definitely is

432
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: a winning player. He's a Hall of Famer, all of

433
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: those things, Like, I don't discount the man's career achievements.

434
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: But but I've been saying it for over a decade.

435
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: How long have you known me? And how long have

436
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: I been saying that James Harden will never win a championship.

437
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: I might might have been the first thing you ever

438
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Speaker 2: said to me. You'll probably the it will probably be

439
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: the last. If we have a chance to know each

440
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: other our whole lives. Uh And and I go before

441
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: you and you show up to my deathbed, I expect

442
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: that you have to be just to lean over. Oh yep,

443
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 2: that's that's what it's gonna be all right. So let's

444
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: move on to the next hire. I actually have a

445
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: similar opinion to you about LSU about this hire. But

446
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 2: Auburn goes with Alex Golish, who had a great run

447
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 2: at USF, has an incredible personal story. He's forty one,

448
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 2: he's our age, he is from Mother Russia, even Drago,

449
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: you know, uh, and he uh didn't play, which I

450
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,399
Speaker 2: lean k Evin did. But he you know, he wasn't

451
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: somebody who was a high level football player. He just

452
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 2: got into coaching, worked his absolute ass off in the

453
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 2: Big ten, which I find, you know, makes this hiring

454
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 2: given more interesting. Had experience, I think under Matt Campbell

455
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: was around rock Party and then went to went to UCF,

456
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: followed Josh Hipel to Tennessee, finally got his opportunity to

457
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 2: run a program at USF, and now he's the head

458
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 2: coach of the Auburn Tigers. George, did they get this

459
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 2: one right? Yes?

460
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I love this higher. I love Alex Golish because

461
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: he's a grinder, and he's and he's hungry, and he's

462
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:39,959
Speaker 1: not gonna be like he's he's a like you know

463
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 1: how some some coaches are five star coaches where they're

464
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: like used to all the flashy toys and all of

465
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: that stuff. Do you see who his quarterback was at

466
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: at USF, he developed the kid that wasn't a great

467
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: pass or had just found a way to get him

468
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: to make plays to win. Like, he's just gonna find

469
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: a way to win. It's not always. It's not gonna

470
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: be pretty at first, and he's not gonna go after

471
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: the kids just because of their recruiting rankings. He's gonna

472
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: like he's got some Kurt Signetty in him in that,

473
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: in that it's about the production and the dog in

474
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: the fight. Obviously, talent matters, but he feels like he'll

475
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: find more dogs, yeah, and guys that can play early

476
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: that are under ranked, Like like there are three star

477
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: guys that are development people, right, and then there are

478
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: four star people that are that are under ranked even

479
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: in the four star ranks. And then of course it's Auburn.

480
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: He'll get an occasional five star and stuff like that,

481
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: but it's gonna be him finding that that three star,

482
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: four star guy that is completely under ranked, and and

483
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: he's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but you got all

484
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: the things that you need to play football. Though.

485
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Byron Brown was not his quarterback. I think

486
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: that's a really important thing to note, because he played

487
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: high school football out here by me in North Carolina.

488
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: He went to USF. They had a coaching change and

489
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: Alex Skulish came in, and he was like, best man wins, yep,

490
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,239
Speaker 2: and that best man wins. That grinder mentality that he

491
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 2: kind of personifies is what some of these SEC teams

492
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: with pedigree are sorely lacking. And so I think he's

493
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 2: going to have an appreciation for people who work the

494
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 2: hardest and do the most because that's been who he is,

495
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: and I think that that's who Auburn should be. You

496
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: finish your season every year playing in the Iron Bowl.

497
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: There is no more there is no word more deserving

498
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: of the connotation of like forged in toughness than Iron

499
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: and that's really your goal is to get on Alabama's

500
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 2: level and to eventually surpass them and do it with consistency.

501
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: And so this could be a really good hire. I

502
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 2: also don't like you felt about the LSU hire. I

503
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: felt like John Sumrawl should have been their number one target,

504
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: But I feel that way about a lot of schools. Yes,

505
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: and so it's not a bad consolation prize, but I'm

506
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 2: with you. I think this is going to change things

507
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 2: for Auburn based on what they've been about in years past,

508
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: which one of them was about the power of a system,

509
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: one of them was about the power of kind of

510
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: personality and recruiting. And now we're on like the power

511
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: of hard work. Yeah, you know, and if that doesn't work,

512
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 2: we might have to move on to the power friendship.

513
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 2: We'll see next up on this list of college football

514
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: coaching hires, we actually have to get to the man

515
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 2: that we keep referring to. University of Florida hired John Sumral.

516
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: He was a head coach at Troy in Alabama. He's

517
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: a head coach at Tulane in Louisiana, and it's Florida

518
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 2: that grabs him. And the Florida fans just got done

519
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: with a coach that they pulled out of G five

520
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: from the state of Louisiana. Did Florida nail this higher

521
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: or should they be worried that it's going to be

522
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: more of the same.

523
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the idea that this dude is Billy

524
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: Napier is insanity to me. Billy Napier's biggest crime is

525
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 1: that Billy Napier was in the because anybody who talks

526
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: about Billy Napier talks about he's a good man, good human.

527
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: All of this stuff. Billy Napier's ego ruined his situation

528
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: at Florida. His ego did he refused to and from

529
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: people I've talked to inside the program at the this year,

530
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: he was so disengaged with the defense and the total

531
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: team in general. He was so focused on being the

532
00:31:54,920 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. And it's two separate jobs. Court to you

533
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: don't win championships with coordinators as head coach. It hasn't happened.

534
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: It's two separate. It is too much with the media obligations,

535
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: the all of this stuff. The opposite coordinator gotta be

536
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 1: game planning while you're glad handing the boosters. You don't

537
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: have time to it's you, you can't. You are doing

538
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: two things half assed. And I appreciate the dude, you

539
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean like that that he's trying to

540
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: do a good job and go out his way. But

541
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: his way was the wrong way. And now he's the

542
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: James Madison head coach, or at least is expected to be.

543
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: I hope you figures out because he can probably do

544
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: it at the G five G six level, but he

545
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: needs to just be able to. He needs to like

546
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: that's where his growth point is. Let it, let it go.

547
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: I know that you were in OC and that's your bag.

548
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: You are a head coach. Now. If you can't handle

549
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: not doing it, then either stay in the G six

550
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: or be prepared to fail again.

551
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: What do you think he's gonna be able to do differently.

552
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: At James Madison?

553
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: No? I mean, what do you think that John Sumra

554
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: is because because he's.

555
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: Not trying to do he's not trying to do two jobs.

556
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: He's trying to be the head coach. Florida is a

557
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: tough place to win at despite having great fans, they

558
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: show up at the swamp everything. It's a it's a

559
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: it's a culture place, and John summerw I think he

560
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: will assimilate. I am. If I were rating like in

561
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 1: order of the coaches I feel least likely to get fired,

562
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: he would probably be number four on the list out

563
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: of the guys that were hired, behind James Franklin, Bob

564
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: Chesney and Alex Golish.

565
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: Okay, I think he should have been the number one

566
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: target for three schools that didn't get him. You know,

567
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: this is a guy who grew up in Alabama, was

568
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: a head college football coach in Alabama, and Auburn had

569
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 2: a vacancy. This is somebody who played linebacker at Kentucky,

570
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 2: coached at Kentucky. Kentucky knew that they were going to

571
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 2: fire Stoops.

572
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: See. I actually think Stein is the better coach option

573
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: for Kentucky because Will Steins is an offensive guy. He's

574
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 1: a Kentucky man like. So they want somebody I think

575
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 1: that is willing to stay there at least semi long term.

576
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: And I believe that Will Stein because his mother's there's

577
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: mother's a huge Kentucky fan and all of this stuff.

578
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: If he's able to resource and all of those things,

579
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: that he'll stay at Kentucky long term, which is what

580
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: I think that they were looking for, which is why

581
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: I think that that is the better situation. And Dan

582
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: Lanning is building a coaching tree. His first branch was

583
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: Kenny Dillingham, who's doing a great job at Arizona State.

584
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: The Arizona State job is kind of like the Kentucky job,

585
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: Like Kentucky wants to like they are a school who

586
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: is a basketball school, a blue blood everything. So their

587
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: fans know how to commit to something. And if you

588
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: can give them something to commit to in football and

589
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 1: they see progress not perfection, oh they'll get behind him

590
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: long term. I love that. Oh Oh, so I'll put

591
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: will Stein up there in front of John Somerral too,

592
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: but only John. Some are all because of location, where

593
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: Like I feel like that's more chewing him in at

594
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: Florida than if had he been at Auburn or LSU.

595
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 1: If you were at LSU, I would say I would

596
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: put him higher.

597
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: And I think I think we agree. I think we're

598
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: coming around to the same place. I think John Sumral

599
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: was maybe the best candidate available, and I think he

600
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: took maybe one of the worst jobs for him. Yeah,

601
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: because I don't personally believe sustained success is possible at

602
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: Florida and I has anything to do with who you

603
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: are now. No, it has a lot to do with

604
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: Florida high school football. It has a lot to do

605
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 2: with having the other major, major, major ACC schools that

606
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 2: you have to deal with, who also have resources. And

607
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: then it has to do with being an enemy of

608
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: the entire SEC and they're all on your ass too,

609
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: So you have to worry about two different in state

610
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 2: foes from a different conference. You have to worry about

611
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: the culture of sort of like Florida high school football,

612
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,720
Speaker 2: which is not that different than California, where you actually

613
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: have people more prepared for the nil era and for

614
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: the highest bitter era once they get to the college level.

615
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: How do you get kids to buy into the idea

616
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: of being a Florida man, and not just any school

617
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 2: in Florida, but this Florida. How do you keep people

618
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 2: locked in in Gainesville, which is just its incredible place

619
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: to be a late teenager, early twenties person. And how

620
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: do you deal with the fact that you're in a

621
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: resource cold war with every other school in the SEC.

622
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: So I thought, I think that John Sumrall's path the

623
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 2: success was easier at several other schools. However, that makes

624
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 2: him the anti Lank Kiffin because I think he took

625
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: on the whole artist the hardest path to sustain success.

626
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: I think you probably win a Natty there, but he

627
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: could also get fired the year after winning a Natty there. Yes,

628
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 2: that's why I bring that up. Next up, we have

629
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: one of the more interesting hires and I cannot wait

630
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: for your take on this. Should Pete Golding have gotten

631
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,359
Speaker 2: the permanent stamp as old missus head coach.

632
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: I'm good with that. I'm good with that because it's

633
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: the permanent head coach. But it's also very temporary, you

634
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, Like you have to reward people

635
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: who stayed, you know what I mean, Like people who

636
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,919
Speaker 1: and give them an opportunity. Because there's been talking about

637
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: Pete Golding and potential head coaching searches and all of

638
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: that stuff. They like him, he's in the building. They

639
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: were going to keep the recruiting class together. They weren't

640
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: going to get kicked out of the college football playoff.

641
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: They got a shot. Like I think that this was

642
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: the right move. But I think Pete and everybody else understands,

643
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: this is my shot, like and and it's not the

644
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: same shot that Lane Kiffen has at LSU. It's not

645
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: the same shot that Alex Golish has it out at Auburn.

646
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: This is my shot, and I gotta figure it out.

647
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: So I love it. I love his opportunity because in

648
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: life sometimes people like you're you're a long shot, and

649
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: sometimes you get a chance when out of I mean

650
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: that that's how who Dabo Sweeney got the Clemson job.

651
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: Coach gets fired, he's the interim Oh great job. Oh

652
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: you're our head coach, short short at least, Oh damn,

653
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: you're winning, you're doing things.

654
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 2: You're our guy.

655
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: So that's the thing I love is sometimes in life

656
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: you get your shot. Look at brock Purty with the

657
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: forty nine ers, mister irrelevant injury injury shot. Oh damn,

658
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: Now you're our guy. I mean, I mean they want

659
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 1: to punt him out of the way for mac Jones now.

660
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: But but when you get your shot, you gotta shoot

661
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: it and you gotta make it. It's it's it's kind

662
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: of like those Pat McAfee kicks and you haven't and

663
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: you're not a kicker, but you get to kick for

664
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: a million dollars. That that's what Pete Golden is getting

665
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: right now. But he does have a soccer background, you

666
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, Like, he's not completely incompetent. He's

667
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 1: got a soccer background and not a like so he's

668
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: a football guy. Like he kicks balls, but he's not

669
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 1: a field goal kicker. So now he's got to show

670
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: that he can make a kick through the uprights.

671
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: I think the one thing that's getting lost about Pete

672
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: Golding that no one is really talking about because he's

673
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: a footnote in the Lane Kiffen story is that this

674
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 2: man was running the defense at University of Texas, San

675
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: Antonio and made it a top ten defense and Lane

676
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: Kiffen or a Nick Saban. Nick Saban came calling yes

677
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 2: to a man who is running the defense at University

678
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 2: of Texas and he survived that ride. Ish out at

679
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:36,359
Speaker 2: Alabama for five years, he outlasted Lane. He helped run

680
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: some of the best defenses in America for the hardest

681
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: man to work for in America. And then you saw

682
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: what he did with last year's Old Miss defense. A

683
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: big part of that was Walter Nolan. Can't you can't

684
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 2: get around the fact that Walter Nolan is by himself

685
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: for yeah, and Dominkan Sue level game changer, not as good,

686
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: but like has that level of impact. But this is

687
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 2: not going to be the hardest transition of Pete Golding's

688
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 2: coaching life. He was forged at Alabama. People always get

689
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: respect for being part of that Alabama coaching tree, and

690
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 2: I'm just curious as to why Pete Golding isn't getting

691
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: that same respect.

692
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: Let's move to because he puts a pencil in his cap,

693
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't look coachy enough.

694
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 2: Hey, I actually support actually kind of support that as

695
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: somebody who rooted for HERB Edwards coach team, and he

696
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: had a golf pencil and he'd write something down every

697
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 2: time they threw an interception. What was he writing? Could

698
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: have been his dinner order. We don't know, but you

699
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: brought up Kentucky already. We'll finish with the last sec hire.

700
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: Are you worth? Number one? Are you worried at all

701
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: that this is going to affect Oregon? And number two?

702
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: You say that you think that this is the perfect

703
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: hire for Kentucky. What does perfect for Kentucky look like

704
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 2: down the road? What do you think he can bring

705
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: to the table for the University of Kentucky?

706
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: He can do for Kentucky what Okay, I'll put it

707
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: this way. Will Stein can do for Kentucky what Lane

708
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 1: Kiffen did for Old Miss. He can make them highly

709
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: competitive and then get them to the College Football Playoff?

710
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: Are they going to be a team that's in the

711
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff year in the out? Probably not, but

712
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: once out of every three years four years, yes, you

713
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: can go in and if he says their long term,

714
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: they might have a chance to win it at some

715
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: point point in time. And I like it. I like

716
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: he's been around a quality program. He's seen the physicality

717
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: that you need at practice. He's led high level offenses,

718
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: he's mentored quarterbacks like he's seen the leadership and development

719
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: that Dan Lanning has put in place, and now he

720
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: can take that with his own experiences from other places

721
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: and put that into his own system. I believe he's

722
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: a leader of men. This is a good opportunity.

723
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: Now.

724
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: On the organ side of it, Oregon will be just

725
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 1: fine because teams are going well. Not teams. The reason

726
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 1: why Oregon is gonna be just fine is because people

727
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 1: are going to be kicking down the door, kicking down

728
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: the door to go work there. You don't think anybody

729
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: that like that, that being a tash lupoise. Over at

730
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: Cal they're losing Will Steins, so they lose both defensive coordinators.

731
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: Do you know how many people are gonna be kicking

732
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: down their door to just be in line for Oregon's

733
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: next DC, even if they give it to one of

734
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: the guys on staff or OC one of the guys

735
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: on staff. You move into that spot. Now all of

736
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's like, oh yeah, I got career trajectory

737
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: because Oregon is going to be good. It's an established brand.

738
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: People are watching, people are gonna notice if you do

739
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: a good job. Dan Lanny is trusted. I'm not worried

740
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: about Oregon at all. The thing that it could hurt

741
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: is some of their like guys either going to the

742
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: NFL or not going to the NFL out. But outside

743
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: of that, I'm confident because Dan is continuously hired good coaches.

744
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: So and I've actually had a couple of coaches text

745
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: me like, hey, yo, you text Tex text Dan. I'm interested.

746
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,919
Speaker 2: Nice I So, I just want to offer one thing

747
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: about Lexington, Kentucky. It's in the cradle of civilization for

748
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: football recruiting. Yeah, Like people don't realize, Like, even though

749
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: it says SEC Lexington is the northernmost part of the South.

750
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: You you're in the footprint of being able to get

751
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: people out of Tennessee, Nashville or Knoxville. You can grab

752
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: people out of Charlotte. You're not that far from Pittsburgh.

753
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 2: You're not that far from Cleveland or Columbus or Saint

754
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 2: Louis even or Chicago, like you can get, you can

755
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: get whoever, if if, if you do it the right way,

756
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 2: Kentucky could actually compete in football. Yep, let's see that

757
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: all the ACC has is right now. Even though I

758
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 2: thought there'd be like fifty million firings in the ACC

759
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 2: up to this point, but there's just the one and

760
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 2: they brought in James Franklin and JA. There's something happening

761
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 2: at Penn State and we'll get to that in a second.

762
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: But he was able to flip all those guys because

763
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 2: there's nobody to commit to on the other end, there's

764
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 2: not even position coaches or coordinators for these kids to

765
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: commit to. He has to be on the biggest power

766
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: trip ever, right It has to feel so good to

767
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 2: be James Franklin right now because these kids that are

768
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: committing are committing to him, yes to him, Like he

769
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 2: has to be on the absolute biggest power trip in

770
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: a good way right now. I would love to know

771
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:14,760
Speaker 2: what it's like to be James Franklin.

772
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: Hopefully he's taking it from a humbling perspective, because you

773
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: heard his thing where he's said, listen, I got people

774
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: to I called coaches and support staff and was like, yo,

775
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: I need you at my house tomorrow. I don't know

776
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: what role you're gonna play. I don't know how much

777
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: I can pay you, but I need you to come

778
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: with me. And he was like they all said yes,

779
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: So yes, that can go to your head. But if

780
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 1: you take it as like a humbling like like, yes,

781
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: I got these people to believe. Now I gotta go deliver.

782
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,240
Speaker 1: And it was very easy to poach Penn State kids

783
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: when they don't have a coach like I don't. I

784
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: don't give it as much like cause they were like,

785
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: I either go play for the guy that I committed

786
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: to at Virginia Tech, or I don't know what the

787
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: hell is going on. Were my my kid, he'd be

788
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 1: at Virginia Tech. Because it because your coach is part

789
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: of your advocate. So when you don't recruit a kid,

790
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: and I've seen this with my own kid, no matter

791
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: how talented that you that that that you are, if

792
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: a coach didn't recruit you, sometimes he's not your advocate.

793
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 2: I I guess what I want to say, though, is

794
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 2: because I because I want to believe that, yeah, he's

795
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: taking this as a challenge and he's going to operate

796
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: in humility, having known that he's been fired, because that

797
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: can humble a lot of people. But I look at

798
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 2: the quarterback that committed to Virginia Tech, and you and

799
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: I talked about this through text. There's a quarterback named

800
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: Troy Hunt who was committed to Penn State and decommitted, yeah,

801
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: obviously because of the firing. And then he tweeted out

802
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: that he, you know, was going to be making his

803
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: decision public college decision. And on the graphic was I

804
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 2: come to my commitment ceremony. I'm going to be choosing

805
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: between Penn State and Virginia Tech. And the conspiracy theorist

806
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,280
Speaker 2: in me has to believe that that was a setup

807
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: that like we pulled the knife out, we put it

808
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: back in. We twist. We pulled the knife out, we

809
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,240
Speaker 2: put it back in, we twist. Now watch the quarterback

810
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 2: that you were excited about having, you know, being committed

811
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: to you put your logo on the graphic when we

812
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: all know he's not coming. Yes, why didn't he just

813
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 2: announce Virginia Tech that that's not a kid's idea?

814
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: Yes, And this is no different than the James Franklin

815
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: Crumble cookies thing where they got crumble cookies at their

816
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: National Signing Day because the head of Crumble Cookies is

817
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: the one who who made a lot of this happen.

818
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: So it's I think it's a good hire. I think

819
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: it's a really good hire. I just wonder how how

820
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: long you can get bye on spite.

821
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: Oh, you can get by for a very long time.

822
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: If you're a good football coach, you can get by

823
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,879
Speaker 1: with with I mean Tom Tom Brady made a whole

824
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: career offspite. So if you are gonna, if you do it,

825
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: do it right and you do your job, yeah, it's good.

826
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: Hey, some people hate for free yep, and they're the

827
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan of hating and they don't get any credit.

828
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: So you know you can definitely, you can definitely go

829
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: a really, really long time. And that transitions us into

830
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 2: if you are the athletic director of Penn State right now,

831
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,480
Speaker 2: assuming that you get to keep your job through the

832
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: end of the week, what do you do, George, Because

833
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 2: they got nobody.

834
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: As Brown like you should have done weeks ago. Hire

835
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: Fran Brown. Now I do. So I've said that either

836
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: one of a couple of things is going on in

837
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: this situation. Either number one, Pat Craft is completely incompetent

838
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: in these be fired, which is I'm not sure if

839
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: that if that's the answer, but this is one of

840
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: the possibilities. You fired James frank like fifty four days

841
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: ago and you don't even have a head coach, Like

842
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: what were you doing? Okay, So if you were actually

843
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: doing a good job, now all of a sudden it

844
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: brings In the second question on The Ringer Podcast with

845
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 1: Bill Simmons, Todd mcshae said that he believed that Jimmy Well,

846
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,760
Speaker 1: that he had heard that Jimmy Sexton was boxed. Whose

847
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: college football's most powerful agent controls probably like eighty ninety

848
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: percent of all the top coaches, that they were upset. Well,

849
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: that Jimmy Sexton was upset, not that James Franklin got fired,

850
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: but how he got fired, and now he's punishing Penn State,

851
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 1: leading them on to get other people new contracts, only

852
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: to be like nope, man got you, bit and and

853
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: and if you're packed and if this is true, right,

854
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: Penn State only has two options. They can either double

855
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: down and be like, f you, Jimmy Sexton, We're not

856
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: giving you all of this power. We're gonna do our

857
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: own things. Somebody will want to coach Pen Penn State.

858
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: But you've already lost a recruiting class, so because you

859
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: only signed two kids, So you've because yes, there are

860
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: some kids left, but they're they're not all gonna go

861
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: to your your your school because there's very few. I mean, like,

862
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: out of the top five hundred kids round, how many

863
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:48,320
Speaker 1: of them are unsigned right right now? Thirty?

864
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, very few.

865
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: So so you're you're and some of them are just

866
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: not signing for whatever reason, and they weren't even considering

867
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: Penn State and you're not gonna hire a big enough

868
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: name to get them to consider Penn State. So you've

869
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: basically lost an entire recruiting class. Then people are like, well, well,

870
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,760
Speaker 1: the transfer a portal because you didn't get a recruiting

871
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: class and sentiment is down, you're gonna lose a bunch

872
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: of you're gonna lose more players to the portal than

873
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: you initially work. And then now you're gonna be fighting

874
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: for players in the portal, and now you're gonna have

875
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: to play an nil game that you don't want to do.

876
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: We've seen how that's worked out for Florida State trying

877
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: to just transfer a portal. Everybody in Dion over at Colorado.

878
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: It ain't working. I told you all this this was

879
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,280
Speaker 1: not gonna work from the beginning. But they're, oh, it's

880
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: just a new way of college. Yeah, it's a new

881
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: way for a second, until everybody's like, oh, we need

882
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: high school players. Yeah, that's where we gotta start, so pen.

883
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: And then the third option for penn State is and

884
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 1: this would be the most diabolical option and would be

885
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: good for them if it works out that way, is

886
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: that they got them magic rabbit in the hat in

887
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: in in a coach, maybe Kaitlin de Boor who's coaching

888
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: on sat on Friday and Saturday. That's the only thing

889
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 1: that we got.

890
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you three suggestions and you tell me

891
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 2: what the best one is. Okay. Number one, hire Superfly?

892
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: Do you do you know who that is? Fran Brown. No,

893
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 2: that's Terry Smith. That's the man who's already running the program.

894
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 2: That's the legend from he was a high school legend

895
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: in Monroeville, Pennsylvania, where my wife was born in there.

896
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: So you would have fired James James Franklin and pay

897
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 1: a buyout to to to hire Terry Smith. This then

898
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: then you gotta fire Pat Craft.

899
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: Still sure, but the optics the at this point, the

900
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 2: optics are as bad as they can be. Right, So

901
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 2: you and like I host a high school sports show

902
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: with somebody for the last thirteen years. They're a big

903
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 2: Penn State fan. And he said, like, if we're gonna

904
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 2: lose everything, we might as well keep the culture. And

905
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 2: that's his attitude, and there is a contingent of people

906
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 2: who believe that, like, hey, let's stop embarrassing ourselves publicly.

907
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: Let's double down on a man who's loved this university

908
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: his entire life and who has been here for the

909
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: for the last ten years and wants to be here. Yeah,

910
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: that's thing one, and I get the public reaction to it.

911
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 2: But if you're you gotta put yourself in the situation

912
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: of being a Penn State fan, right Thing number two.

913
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 2: Texas A and M showed you that you can kick

914
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 2: the man that was highly paid out of the driver's seat,

915
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 2: and you can go and get his defensive coordinator who

916
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: proved himself.

917
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he was somewhere else first. Oh many ds.

918
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Follow the the blueprint to the

919
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: t Follow the blueprint that Texas A and M set

920
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 2: out to the t that was your defensive coordinator. You

921
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,759
Speaker 2: had success with him. He is proving himself at Duke.

922
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 2: No matter what anybody says they're in. I'm gonna be

923
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 2: at the ACC title game on Saturday night. He's gonna

924
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: be one of the coaches on the sideline. Like it

925
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,479
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what anybody says he is. He has having

926
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 2: more success at Duke than Mike Calco did. Yeah, as

927
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 2: far as appearing having he could win the conference and

928
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 2: so do what Texas A and M did and see

929
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: if you can get Texas A and M results. I

930
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: understand if that's not appealing because you know, Duke is

931
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 2: seven and five or whatever. I get that, But I

932
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,760
Speaker 2: personally believe the man is brilliant.

933
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:42,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

934
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 2: I think as a leader, I do, and I think

935
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 2: he could. He could be good for I appreciate. The

936
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: last thing is, wait, wait on what.

937
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: You're gonna lose your roster. If you wait, you're gonna

938
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: lose your best players on your roster, and now you're

939
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: gonna be two three years back. If you wait too

940
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: much longer, you have to get an answer. You You you

941
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 1: have to hire somebody, even if it's Terry Smith. At

942
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: least you've got some stability in the building, and you'll

943
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: keep a little something and then if it don't work

944
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 1: out at the beginning, actually, if it don't work out

945
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: at the beginning the season, then you can just not

946
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: even fire to Terry Smith. Just be back dooring the

947
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: whole time. Just leave him as interim head coach something.

948
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: What about Mike Tomlin. Noblutely you know that these are

949
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: the conversations that are happening behind closed doors at Penn State.

950
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,560
Speaker 1: They're like Brian Day, Yeah.

951
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: They're they're desperate, they're throwing against right.

952
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: Daple just got fired. He might be like, I'm gonna

953
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: wait to see what happens with the NFL. I might

954
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: take a coordinator spot. Penn State's a sinking ship right now,

955
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: I'm down a recruiting class. I'm set myself up to

956
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: get fired. This is not they do you. What Penn

957
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: State needs to do right now is essentially do what

958
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: they did with Josh Hipel at Tennessee and Kenny Dillingham

959
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: at Arizona State, which is hire somebody younger who is

960
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: an up and coming guy and give him time, like

961
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: tell him like we're not gonna fire you, like you

962
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: have time because we screwed this whole thing up. We're

963
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: gonna give you time to build.

964
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 2: I'll do it, I tweeted, I'll do it for eighty

965
00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: grand and premium parking for my twenty fifteen niece on quest.

966
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: All right, so that gets us into the That gets

967
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: us into the Big ten, which is, you know, George

968
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: Reister Country at this point.

969
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 1: So he's at at this point like.

970
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 2: Who knows, dude, who knows what it's all gonna look like?

971
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: Are you that my loyalty is for sale?

972
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying that team's conference placement is for sale.

973
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 2: So you're going to go. You're gonna go where your

974
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 2: team goes. And we had a team kind of go

975
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 2: to the bargain bin, a team with a lot of

976
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: resources go to the bargain bin. And I'm curious as

977
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 2: to what your thoughts are about it. Michigan State cuts

978
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 2: bait with Jonathan Smith and they go and get Pat

979
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 2: Fitzgerald has a long, long, long, long, long, long history

980
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 2: of making Northwestern competitive and nasty and physical. But they

981
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 2: weren't winning. You know, maybe maybe he could have in

982
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 2: the portal era, but we don't know because he got

983
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 2: let go. Now he gets to take over Michigan State.

984
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 2: And this is a program that's been rife with with

985
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: with scandal and has not had your footing in the

986
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: Portal era like a boring higher, but boring in the

987
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: Big ten. That's those are they go hand in hand.

988
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: So what do you think about this?

989
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: I love Michigan State hiring Pat Fitzgerald. First of all,

990
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: Jonason Smith got a raw deal there. Boosters weren't behind

991
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 1: the Higher. They had scandals and stuff coming down that

992
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: he didn't know about. He was putting it in an

993
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,959
Speaker 1: untenable situation. So that's that's the first thing. Johnson Smith

994
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: is still a really good head coach and I would

995
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: hire him elsewhere. First thing. Second thing is Pat Fitzgerald.

996
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: He's a leader of men. He was found like like

997
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: you know how some people claim innocent. He was claiming

998
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: he was found innocent despite the unlikelihood that he knew anything.

999
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: But he wasn't at least participating like they might have

1000
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: kept it from him and you know, just been it

1001
01:00:54,200 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: just could have been a thing. But Northwestern has acteddemic

1002
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: limitations for who they can get and it's Northwestern. Michigan

1003
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: State's a better program. They got better football players in

1004
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: the state probably or at least comparable to in Indiana.

1005
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but Illinois, and so I like his chances, Ralph,

1006
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: I like his chances. Michigan State's an underdog right right now.

1007
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 1: At least the boosters are behind him. He's gonna have

1008
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 1: nil money. The academic restrictions are less at Michigan State,

1009
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: like you can get different players, and not that it's

1010
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,160
Speaker 1: a bad academic university or anything like that like that,

1011
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:43,160
Speaker 1: it's just more it's a different situation. And this higher

1012
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: reminds me of Jonathan Smith at Oregon State. The irony, right,

1013
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: which is it's not gonna happen overnight, but two three

1014
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: years from now, you're gonna be say, how the hell

1015
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 1: did they beat Michigan, How the hell did they beat

1016
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: Ohio State this year? What the hell? And then you're

1017
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: gonna look up the next year they're gonna have ten wins.

1018
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: You'd be like, what, yeah.

1019
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: So staying on the big ten in the school that

1020
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 2: you know very very very well. When you've already mentioned

1021
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 2: today we have a coach that has twenty three conference

1022
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: losses total ever in sixteen years of being a head coach.

1023
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 2: A man who coached Catholic League football to great success,

1024
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: took over James Madison.

1025
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: Best hire of the cycle, buddy, ooh okay, So I

1026
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: want to throw something out there.

1027
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 2: He has no affiliation with Los Angeles or Southern California whatsoever,

1028
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: But neither does anybody else that lives out there for

1029
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 2: being honest. So what do you.

1030
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 1: Bob Chesney at UCLA is the best hire of this cycle.

1031
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:07,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned all of these things. He's all the Catholic

1032
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: League high school elon, do you know that sounds like that?

1033
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: Sounds like Kurt Signetti. That sounds like a man who

1034
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: can build something, a man who can build a culture,

1035
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: a man who can identify talent, a man who is

1036
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 1: not going to be swayed by recruiting rankings, a man

1037
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: who is going to demand a standard, and he is

1038
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: going to be fundamentally sound in winning football games. Now,

1039
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: when you can win at different levels and adapt, it is,

1040
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: it is, it shines through. I remember when you know,

1041
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: I am a NFL college football guy and all this stuff,

1042
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 1: But my last experience NFL I started coaching kids youth

1043
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: flag football. It was like my first time learning football,

1044
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,919
Speaker 1: Like I knew football, but I had to relearn how

1045
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: to adapt everything that I know to six year olds,

1046
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: and then I had to learn how to do it

1047
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: to eight year olds and then ten year olds and

1048
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: then fourteen year olds and now at high school. So

1049
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: it is two different things. Like it is a learning curve.

1050
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: But if you commit to not just being stuck in

1051
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: your old ways and say, oh, how can I take

1052
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 1: this high level knowledge that I have up here and

1053
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:29,360
Speaker 1: make it fit into what's feasible here? Because the things

1054
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: that you can do schematically in the NFL, because you

1055
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: have so much time with these players and athletically, they

1056
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: can do things different and they're more football savvy, how

1057
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: can we put that into the high school ranks without

1058
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:48,880
Speaker 1: creating confusion? And the kids can play fast. And he

1059
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: knows these things, and now he's gonna have to adapt

1060
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: to how to do it at a Big ten school,

1061
01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 1: and he has enough juice to be able to to

1062
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: recruit here in LA. He's gonna do a good job.

1063
01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:08,439
Speaker 1: I love this Higher. I love this higher. Penn State

1064
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: screwed up if they were able to get him. I

1065
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: don't know. If he's a Jimmy Sexton guy, they might have.

1066
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: He might have pumped faked them there and everything else.

1067
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 1: But I do know that The other option for UCLA

1068
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: was Ryan Silverfield and Sean Lewis out of San Diego State.

1069
01:05:26,720 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 2: Interesting, So what's the goal of kind of everybody at

1070
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 2: this point? Everyone wants to go to the college football Yeah,

1071
01:05:38,240 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: everyone wants to go to college football playoffs. That's the

1072
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 2: that's the goal.

1073
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,439
Speaker 1: Like that, UCLA, that can't be their goal right now.

1074
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: Their goal has to be relevant recruiting and and juice

1075
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: and like filling up the stadium. Relevance, recruiting and juice.

1076
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,760
Speaker 1: Those three things you gotta get fixed in me. Like

1077
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: those are day one problems. As soon as you get

1078
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: those problems fixed, now you can worry about the college

1079
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,000
Speaker 1: football playoffs.

1080
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 2: But what level of college football did not have a playoff?

1081
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 2: It's just this one, Yes, that's it. Like the highest

1082
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,680
Speaker 2: level is the only level that didn't have a college

1083
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 2: football playoff. I bring that up to tell you this.

1084
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 2: George Bob Chesney has been to whatever his version of

1085
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 2: the college football playoff was seven times. Seven He did

1086
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: it I think four times at D two and three

1087
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 2: times at FCS. He has taken his teams to their

1088
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 2: version of the college football playoff seven times in sixteen years,

1089
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: and he almost did it again. This year.

1090
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: Yes, and if I am UCLA, I am wrapping my

1091
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: arms around this man and saying you are one of us.

1092
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: Now we loved him. Come on do it yep. Oh

1093
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: and on a side note.

1094
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 2: Whoa do what?

1095
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 1: I build this together?

1096
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 2: Okay?

1097
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: On a on a On a side note, Tim, Tim Skipper,

1098
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: UCLA's interim head coach, is now the head coach at

1099
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: cal Poly FCS school and the Big Sky love it.

1100
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm glad he got a shout out of this.

1101
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,400
Speaker 2: I hate it. You know what I wanted for him.

1102
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: For him to get the UCLA job.

1103
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: No, I wanted him to be the new college football

1104
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 2: version of the Expendables, Oh where he just interims all

1105
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 2: over the places.

1106
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:37,560
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah?

1107
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 2: Did you fire your coach midseason? Like I got a

1108
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 2: crew ready, yeah, like like in the movie Armageddon, Like

1109
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 2: we got to go find all the guys, get him

1110
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 2: together for one last job. Yeah. Okay, So I mean Arkansas.

1111
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,400
Speaker 2: This is I've been waiting to get to this one

1112
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 2: because Arkansas fans are pissed and I could not disagree more.

1113
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 2: How do you feel about Arkansas hiring Ryan Silverfield?

1114
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: Arkansas got lucky that they got Ryan Silverfield. I know

1115
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: they don't feel like that they got lucky. He beat

1116
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:16,519
Speaker 1: you this year. First of all, with Brendan Lewis at

1117
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: his as his quarterback. He got Brendan Lewis to do

1118
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: something that Brendan Lewis has never done. He had like

1119
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:26,919
Speaker 1: seventy transfers this year. And there's an interview with him

1120
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 1: on the channel. So you guys make sure that you

1121
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: guys go go check that out as well. He's a winner.

1122
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: Now you're, oh, well, he hasn't won the American in

1123
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:42,799
Speaker 1: this this there's a different set of circumstances. He's putting

1124
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: players in the NFL. They are competitive every single year.

1125
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:50,760
Speaker 1: He's getting recruits Memphis, like and Memphis was supposed to

1126
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: be a Big twelve team. They should be into Big

1127
01:08:54,000 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: twelve right now. And Arkansas, who's a grinder, he's motivated

1128
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,120
Speaker 1: and he's ready to go. He's going to win football

1129
01:09:06,200 --> 01:09:10,720
Speaker 1: games there. It's not gonna turn into I think that

1130
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: the upside for at will Stein at Kentucky's actually higher.

1131
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,160
Speaker 1: But he can go in and be highly competitive and

1132
01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 1: since but they wanted to win the press conference. They

1133
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: wanted Alex Golis, they wanted somebody who was from there.

1134
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: He just had to drive across the Memphis Bridge to

1135
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: get there. He ain't far so I I hate the

1136
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,840
Speaker 1: reception that he's giving, which makes me want to root

1137
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: for him just that much more.

1138
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 2: I love the reception that he's getting. I think it's

1139
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 2: gonna set Arkansas up for a really cool story. I

1140
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 2: love it. I love the doubt, and I think it's

1141
01:09:56,760 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: gonna be I think it's gonna be fuel and I

1142
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,160
Speaker 2: think it's gonna cause that bond to be that much

1143
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 2: stronger eventually when they do have success. I want to

1144
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: address a couple of the really specific criticisms that have

1145
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,360
Speaker 2: been made of Ryan Silverfield. Number one is that Ryan

1146
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:16,880
Speaker 2: Silverfield didn't build anything, Okay, that he just coasted on

1147
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 2: what Mike Norvel built. Memphis won nineteen games over the

1148
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 2: two seasons before Mike Norvel got there. What are we

1149
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:32,799
Speaker 2: talking about what Mike Norvel built. This is a good

1150
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:40,200
Speaker 2: job with access to good players. Justin Fuente won nineteen

1151
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 2: games over the course of his last two seasons. Mike

1152
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 2: Norvel only surpassed that one time once, and that was

1153
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen, when he combined for

1154
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 2: an eight and six season and a twelve and two season,

1155
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: which means he had twenty wins over the course of

1156
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: two years, but he also had eight losses. Justin Fuente

1157
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 2: over that nineteen wins fan had six. Okay, so let's say, okay, well,

1158
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 2: Ryan Silverfield, he all he did was just manage what

1159
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 2: Mike's Norvel built. Ryan Silverfield's first ten wins season. And

1160
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: remember Mike Norvel took everyone with him to Florida State.

1161
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 2: My favorite Ryan Silverfield fact, and we talked about it

1162
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 2: on this show. If you look at the staff at

1163
01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 2: Memphis in twenty sixteen when Mike Norvel left Arizona State

1164
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: and he took a bunch of staff with him, Ryan

1165
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,839
Speaker 2: Silverfield is the only surviving member of that staff.

1166
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 1: Yep.

1167
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,000
Speaker 2: You can't be capitalizing on what somebody else built when

1168
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 2: you're the only one left.

1169
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 1: Exactly. He won eight games that next year, then six, seven, ten, eleven,

1170
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: so it wasn't an accident. And then this year eight

1171
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: and four and we're gonna an eleven.

1172
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 2: Well, you just mentioned the ten and eve. Did Mike

1173
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 2: Norvel ever win twenty one games over a two year

1174
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 2: span at Memphis?

1175
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: No?

1176
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 2: Did Justin Fuente? No, Okay, Arkansas fans, My family comes.

1177
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 1: From Mike norvel lost one, two, three, four, five straight

1178
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:21,439
Speaker 1: ball games. You know who hasn't lost a ball game

1179
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: and has been to a ball game one two, three

1180
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: four and this will be the fifth out of his

1181
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 1: six years. Ryan Silverfield.

1182
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting. And again, my people are from Arkansas,

1183
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:37,520
Speaker 2: so I'm not trying to offend anybody. Like my grandfather's

1184
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 2: whole side of his family, they run deep Hamburg Scottie

1185
01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:44,599
Speaker 2: Pippins neighbors. Right, you go back a little too far,

1186
01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 2: you might find us on the wrong side of Civil War.

1187
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: But I think that it's important for Arkansas fans. I

1188
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,799
Speaker 2: know where you guys rank in Math was raised in Arizona.

1189
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 2: We're not much better to know. Twenty one wins over

1190
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 2: two seasons is more than twenty in it's more than nineteen.

1191
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 2: He actually did more. He did more than Mike Norvelle.

1192
01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,519
Speaker 2: And it's been years since Norvelle was there and there's

1193
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: no surviving members of that coaching staff and there have

1194
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 2: not been four years. This was a very good hire.

1195
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:25,040
Speaker 2: Memphis is not the North Dakota state of their conference.

1196
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 2: They were not good before they got in this run

1197
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:29,840
Speaker 2: of the three coaches they had, and I know that's

1198
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 2: your city, Georgia. I'm not trying to insult Memphis, but

1199
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 2: Memphis was a joke before Justin Fuente got there.

1200
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: Yep.

1201
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:39,559
Speaker 2: It should be commended if you can keep up a

1202
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 2: standard that somebody else set. But he didn't just keep

1203
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 2: it up. He exceeded it, and he beat your ass.

1204
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:50,000
Speaker 2: So I'm not asking you to love him. I'm asking

1205
01:13:50,040 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 2: you to remember that you didn't when he proves you wrong.

1206
01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 1: Yep, I love you. I love it.

1207
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 2: I don't know and finish with the most boring hire

1208
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:03,679
Speaker 2: of all time to beat a pritchet to Stanford.

1209
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 1: Honestly, I don't even have anything to say about it.

1210
01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: I don't even know what this means, to be honest

1211
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:14,879
Speaker 1: with you, Like, I hope it works out. Stanford's clearly improving.

1212
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 1: I like Elijah Brown as their quarterback. He's doing a

1213
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: good job. Now you know, Uh, Andrew Luck's learning on

1214
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 1: the job, but he seems like he's figuring it out,

1215
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I think that this is probably a

1216
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:39,800
Speaker 1: quality higher because, like, because Andrew Luck doesn't do, you know,

1217
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: irrational things, it doesn't feel feel like I feel like

1218
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: this was carefully thought out man who wants to be

1219
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: there for a while, hopefully it works out.

1220
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,000
Speaker 2: He took one year to do the most obvious thing.

1221
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 1: Hey, well, he needed somebody to get in there in

1222
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: an emergency, and then Andrew Luck got the head job.

1223
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: He didn't know what he was doing, so he needed

1224
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 1: an adult in the room. He needed somebody that he trusted.

1225
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 1: His former head coach, Frank Wright, who knew he didn't

1226
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 1: know college football as well because he had been in

1227
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: the NFL for so long, and he was like, just

1228
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 1: don't let the house burn down and let me figure

1229
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:25,240
Speaker 1: it out, which is exactly what smart people do. They're

1230
01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: not trying to hire somebody and spend all this money

1231
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: and all this stuff because he didn't want to waste

1232
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:35,080
Speaker 1: resources while he's learning. I think that this is prudence

1233
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,879
Speaker 1: at its best, speaking of prudence.

1234
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,960
Speaker 2: Percent chance that ten years from now, Tavita Pritchard is

1235
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 2: the only one of these coaches that is still at

1236
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,839
Speaker 2: the destination where they got hired in twenty twenty five.

1237
01:15:50,040 --> 01:15:52,440
Speaker 1: That he's the only one in ten years.

1238
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 2: The only one in ten years. I think he's the

1239
01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 2: most likely because of the way Stanford does thing.

1240
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna give it like a fifteen percent chance.

1241
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 2: Who if all like let's shorten it, because you know

1242
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 2: a lot can happen in that amount of time. Seven

1243
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 2: years from now. Give me a coach who is still

1244
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 2: at the destination that they were hired at in twenty twenty.

1245
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:25,759
Speaker 1: Five, Golish, James Franklin, will Stein.

1246
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 2: I vehemently disagree with two of those.

1247
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: Will Stein will be there if they win and get

1248
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: to the college football playoff and all this stuff. He

1249
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 1: won't leave Kentucky. I don't think. I think he's seen

1250
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: from Dan Lanning. If you get everything you need, his

1251
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: family's there and everything, stay stay.

1252
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 2: There, Okay. And when the San Francisco forty nine ers

1253
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: hired Dan Lanning or something like that, and Oregon's first

1254
01:16:55,960 --> 01:17:07,120
Speaker 2: call is to will Stein, I.

1255
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: Think Dan's kids will be out of high school in

1256
01:17:09,280 --> 01:17:10,799
Speaker 1: seven years, So that's possible.

1257
01:17:13,240 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 2: Damn, that face was incredible. And the minute, the minute

1258
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 2: that a premier job comes open, if Virginia Tech has

1259
01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 2: gotten to ten eleven wins, what do you think is

1260
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:25,920
Speaker 2: gonna happen?

1261
01:17:28,479 --> 01:17:34,360
Speaker 1: James Franklin is a loyalty guy. M If he's able

1262
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 1: to win big there, well, it depends on the resources

1263
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: and how big he's able to win. I think he

1264
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 1: wants to stick at to Penn State like big time,

1265
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 1: and he'll be as long as they resource him well

1266
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: and he can recruit and all that stuff. I think

1267
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,960
Speaker 1: he'll stay. I want to not like any of these

1268
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: dudes will move around bounce a round guy.

1269
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to believe that any of these dudes

1270
01:17:59,080 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 2: will and I want to. I really want to believe

1271
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 2: it for Eric Morris at Oklahoma State. But I don't know, Dude,

1272
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:07,960
Speaker 2: This too much happens. You go back five years and

1273
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 2: some of these dudes were coaching in the Catholic League

1274
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:15,240
Speaker 2: or whatever Bob Chesney. So a lot can happen over

1275
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: a short amount of time. So I do want to

1276
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 2: get to something that got sort of under your skin

1277
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:28,480
Speaker 2: before we get the game previews and picks. Diego Pavia,

1278
01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:34,719
Speaker 2: Diego Pavia, the bad boy of college football, reached out

1279
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 2: to the forty seventh slash forty fifth President of the

1280
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 2: United States to ask him to sign an executive order

1281
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 2: for a sixteen team playoff. I think it's hilarious that

1282
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 2: it's just funny to me, I don't, but you didn't

1283
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 2: like it, and I want to give you this floor to.

1284
01:18:56,720 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: I hated it until I found out that they tried

1285
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,400
Speaker 1: to get a game with Texas, they tried to get

1286
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,639
Speaker 1: a game with Utah, they tried to get a game

1287
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: with like three other teams, and they wouldn't play them

1288
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: because they're just like, we want in, we want to

1289
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 1: prove our worth. Like that is the that comes from

1290
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: Clark Lee and Diego Pavia will play you in the

1291
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: parking lot, fam And I love it. I love that

1292
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: so so how much I was out on the begging

1293
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: for President Trump to get involved, and it probably had

1294
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: more to do with Texas and Stark doing on this

1295
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:34,839
Speaker 1: incessant whining and begging that then Papa doing it felt

1296
01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 1: like maybe want to pun him to the sun. But

1297
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: then I found out, Oh they want Oh they're really

1298
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 1: with that anytime any place smoking. Everybody else wasn't. So

1299
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: now I'm like, oh, okay, I'm back in on you

1300
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:56,679
Speaker 1: as the most obnoxious player in college football. However, you

1301
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,680
Speaker 1: back it up. And I love people who are a

1302
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,640
Speaker 1: facious and have audacity. The things he said in the preseason,

1303
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 1: he backed up they're ten and two that Vanderbilt would

1304
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 1: never be this without his level of irrational belief, and

1305
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 1: I love it. They would have never gotten Jared Curtis

1306
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 1: to flip without his irrational belief and I love it

1307
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 1: and I'm thankful for it. And that's why he's got

1308
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: to be part of this Heisman conversation. He just has to.

1309
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So I asked you about that to spring a

1310
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 2: trap on you, George. We've been knowing each other for

1311
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 2: six or seven years, and one of our oldest arguments

1312
01:20:46,320 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 2: has to do with one man who was like, I'll

1313
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 2: fight you anywhere, anytime, and another man who's like, you

1314
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:58,160
Speaker 2: need to meet all my conditions. And to me, Steve Sarkisian,

1315
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 2: is you need to meet all my conditions? Guy? And

1316
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 2: Clark Lee and Vanderbilt Diego Pavia are like, I'll fight

1317
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 2: you anywhere, anytime.

1318
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: Yes.

1319
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 2: And so I just want to know if your mind

1320
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:13,000
Speaker 2: has changed about Floyd Mayweather and Manipacia.

1321
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: No, because he was potentially cheating. So no, no, alrighty.

1322
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:29,920
Speaker 1: Then now we got to get to the games this weekend, Ralph.

1323
01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 1: We did not get the chaos that I expected last

1324
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 1: week in the college football games, so let's try again,

1325
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: because the committee has already set itself up in case

1326
01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:49,200
Speaker 1: there is chaos because now they have insulated Alabama from

1327
01:21:49,280 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 1: any loss to in case BYU beats Texas Tech. So

1328
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 1: now BHYU is I'm sorry Alabama's insulated because Notre Dames

1329
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,599
Speaker 1: on the ass end. So now imagine this. They want,

1330
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 1: I believe Ralph, the committee wants to be WHYU to win?

1331
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: Do you know why?

1332
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 2: Please? Please please educate me?

1333
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 1: What has been their biggest problem this whole like the

1334
01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:27,400
Speaker 1: thing that people have banged on them for this whole time.

1335
01:22:27,960 --> 01:22:28,599
Speaker 1: Who should be.

1336
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,760
Speaker 2: Miami Notre Dame? Miami had to head not reflecting how

1337
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:34,160
Speaker 2: they sort the playoff?

1338
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:39,080
Speaker 1: If BYU gets in, who does that push out both

1339
01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 1: Notre Dame? So now if Notre Dame's not in the playoffs,

1340
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 1: who cares about the Notre Dame UH ranking?

1341
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 2: It is that nefarious because I think that's what I

1342
01:22:58,040 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 2: would have done too.

1343
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:04,080
Speaker 1: There was no to switch him. Another one that you

1344
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:07,439
Speaker 1: saw last week that that would make you switch those

1345
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: two teams.

1346
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:08,679
Speaker 2: Nothing.

1347
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 1: Alabama beat a bad football team. Notre Dame beat a

1348
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:21,760
Speaker 1: bad football team. Worse, it'd be different if not if

1349
01:23:21,800 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: Alabama had played a ranked football team, then yeah, they

1350
01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,639
Speaker 1: played Auburn. They've got like fummy WINZ four right now? Five?

1351
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah? I So I went to acc media kickoff. I'll

1352
01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: be at the a SEC Championship game this weekend too.

1353
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:43,639
Speaker 2: Jim Phillips, the commissioner, when asked about whether or not

1354
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 2: the ACC is getting its due respect, said, we went

1355
01:23:47,400 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 2: two and nine in bowls last year. If we want respect,

1356
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 2: we're gonna have to go out and earn it. They didn't.

1357
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 2: They didn't, so they can go, and as far as

1358
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: I'm concerned, like Notre Dame can go too, because they

1359
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:10,559
Speaker 2: lost to a Miami team that isn't national championship ready. Okay,

1360
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:14,360
Speaker 2: so I don't have an issue with getting both of

1361
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 2: those teams up out of there. The argument then becomes,

1362
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 2: I guess it's byu CENTERED.

1363
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get deeper into it. But let's pick

1364
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 1: this game first. Okay, sure, Duke Virginia. This feels like

1365
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:41,479
Speaker 1: in I mean, Duke has lost to Illinois, Tulane, Georgia, Tech, Yukon,

1366
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:47,120
Speaker 1: and UVA. Now mind you, Yeah, so that's who they've

1367
01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 1: lost to. One of these games didn't count as an

1368
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 1: ACC game for some inexplicable reason, but because of previous

1369
01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 1: scheduling and stuff like that. So yeah, oh here we go, Ralph,

1370
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 1: So who are you taking in this game? This would

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01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 1: be a obviously at an upset that would potentially discart

1372
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,840
Speaker 1: the apple cart or whatever. But you got NC State.

1373
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,599
Speaker 1: Oh was sorry. Virginia lost the NC State and Wake.

1374
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 1: So this is possible that Duke can win this football game,

1375
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,639
Speaker 1: despite that they beat Duke the last time thirty four

1376
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:31,280
Speaker 1: to seventeen.

1377
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 2: Well it was thirty one to three in the fourth quarter. Yeah,

1378
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 2: so it's hard for me to knowing that Duke has

1379
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 2: no pass defense UVA Chandler Morris is a dog and

1380
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,280
Speaker 2: they had five hunt they doubled them, more than double

1381
01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 2: them in total offense, and Duke won the turnover battle.

1382
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,640
Speaker 2: This was an ass beating. I liked it. I like

1383
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:06,760
Speaker 2: Manny Diaz. The NIL spind for Virginia was, if you

1384
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 2: have any arguments over what NIL can do for you,

1385
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:15,360
Speaker 2: look at Virginia, like they invested and won them in

1386
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,600
Speaker 2: an ACC championship. If they beat Duke, I don't. I

1387
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 2: don't think Duke kangs. And that was the one game

1388
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:24,160
Speaker 2: this year where Duke didn't belong on the field. In

1389
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 2: every other game they they actually played tough, and I

1390
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 2: think some of their G five stuff was on the road.

1391
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 2: I think Duke had a really, really good year that

1392
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 2: they could be proud of. I think this is the

1393
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 2: one team that is the antidote for anything positive Duke

1394
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,439
Speaker 2: is doing. And I'm I mean, I don't think this

1395
01:26:40,479 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 2: game will be close.

1396
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: So I agree with you, Ralph, with everything. Nothing that

1397
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 1: we have seen lead to us to believe that Duke

1398
01:26:55,280 --> 01:27:00,600
Speaker 1: will win this football game. However, though, how because this

1399
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: was two games ago. That was three weeks ago, okay,

1400
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 1: because Virginia had a game in between. But they did

1401
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: beat North Carolina thirty two to twenty five. Do you

1402
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,519
Speaker 1: know what the alarming part about Duke beating North Carolina

1403
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:19,080
Speaker 1: thirty two to twenty five is.

1404
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 2: What that North Carolinas gig is good on defense?

1405
01:27:26,160 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: Well, that and the fact that North Carolina scored twenty

1406
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,120
Speaker 1: five points. That's problematic.

1407
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:34,639
Speaker 2: That's a great point.

1408
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:43,360
Speaker 1: That is actually problematic because North Carolina has only scored

1409
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:49,639
Speaker 1: over twenty five points against Richmond Syracuse, where they scored

1410
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,559
Speaker 1: twenty seven. Is Syracuse has maybe the worst defense in

1411
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:59,160
Speaker 1: college football, and Duke, that's it. That is it, Ralph.

1412
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:03,360
Speaker 1: They've only scored over twenty They've only scored twenty or

1413
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 1: more points against Charlotte, which they scored twenty. Charlotte is

1414
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: one I think they finished what one and eleven Richmond

1415
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: no talent competition there. They scored twenty against Stanford, who

1416
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 1: has one of the worst defenses in the country too.

1417
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, no, no, excuse me, excuse excuse Stanford has

1418
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: one of the worst offenses. Their their defense is actually

1419
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 1: pretty good comparatively. They scored twenty seven against Syracuse. This

1420
01:28:37,160 --> 01:28:39,320
Speaker 1: ain't good, Ralph. That ain't good that you gave up

1421
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 1: twenty five to that team. It's not.

1422
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 2: So And I think the biggest issue is how does

1423
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,640
Speaker 2: if Duke gets down, how did they make up for

1424
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: the fact that the big part of Virginia's nil spind

1425
01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:02,280
Speaker 2: was on this defensive line. Fisher Kmack out of UNLV

1426
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:04,839
Speaker 2: and Mitchell Melton, who won a national championship with Ohio

1427
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,240
Speaker 2: State last year as a contributor. Those guys combined for

1428
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:12,559
Speaker 2: four sacks, five TFLs, and to force fumble and fumble

1429
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 2: recovery last time. They're still on the field. It's just

1430
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:20,000
Speaker 2: not I just don't. I don't see Duke having an opportunity.

1431
01:29:20,280 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 2: And these conversations are fun, and the what ifs are fun,

1432
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:27,320
Speaker 2: and chaos is fun, but it really isn't. Chaos makes

1433
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 2: chaos leaves room for really bad opinions, and yes, like

1434
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 2: I like chaos, but I don't like the aftermath of it.

1435
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 2: If that makes sense, Yes, because the games don't get

1436
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 2: played the next day, we get a week of having

1437
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:45,160
Speaker 2: to listen to people try to make sense of a

1438
01:29:45,200 --> 01:29:47,960
Speaker 2: thing that doesn't make sense. If the games were played

1439
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,320
Speaker 2: the next day, like baseball, if we had no breathing room,

1440
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 2: then yeah, as much chaos as possible. That's hilarious. But

1441
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,919
Speaker 2: like we're gonna listen to people be like college football

1442
01:29:56,960 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 2: is broken for a whole week, eccus.

1443
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 1: So here's the thing that we have to talk talk

1444
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,760
Speaker 1: about just in case Duke loses. I'm sorry if Duke

1445
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:13,679
Speaker 1: wins North Texas and Tulane. So if Tulane wins, there's

1446
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 1: a zero percent chance they're going to put Tulane in

1447
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 1: front of Duke. I mean even though that Tulane does

1448
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 1: have a I mean Tulane does have a head to

1449
01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:27,439
Speaker 1: head win over Duke, so who knows. So, but they're

1450
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 1: unranked and have five losses, so I highly doubt, and

1451
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 1: Tulane is number twenty, so it feels like they're too

1452
01:30:33,120 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: far in. So that would mean that if that if

1453
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 1: Duke wins and TWU Lane wins, that you're gonna have

1454
01:30:43,680 --> 01:30:49,240
Speaker 1: Tulane playing the being the eleven seed and then playing

1455
01:30:49,280 --> 01:30:55,360
Speaker 1: against the sixth seed. And then the question is if

1456
01:30:55,479 --> 01:31:00,719
Speaker 1: James Madison beats Troy, which they should, and Duke wins,

1457
01:31:01,560 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 1: James Madison is ranked number twenty five right now, So

1458
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:07,439
Speaker 1: with the committee, because Duke would have seven Power four

1459
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:13,840
Speaker 1: wins and the ACC champion, then jump James Madison and

1460
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: put him and leave James Madison at twenty five and

1461
01:31:16,080 --> 01:31:18,559
Speaker 1: put Duke at like twenty four just to make sure

1462
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:24,360
Speaker 1: that Duke gets into the CFP. Do you believe that

1463
01:31:24,360 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 1: that's what would happen or do you think they would

1464
01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:30,719
Speaker 1: just be like, sorry, dude, you got five losses, miss us.

1465
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Is it a hard and fast, set in stone

1466
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 2: rule that a conference champion gets in? Yes, yes, Power

1467
01:31:40,080 --> 01:31:41,320
Speaker 2: four conference champion gets in.

1468
01:31:41,560 --> 01:31:43,760
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no. It is the it

1469
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:49,480
Speaker 1: is the five highest ranked conference champions.

1470
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 2: Then the two lane you if two Lane wins, then

1471
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:59,560
Speaker 2: you have to you gotta say like a congrats on

1472
01:31:59,640 --> 01:32:01,719
Speaker 2: a good seat, Duke, enjoy the Sun Bowl.

1473
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,920
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no. Two Lane or

1474
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: North Texas winning doesn't matter, Okay, Okay, it's what happens

1475
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 1: if James Madison wins and Duke wins. Okay, because the

1476
01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: the the champion out of North Texas and two lane

1477
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 1: is for sure going like you can just okay because

1478
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: they're both ranked in front of James Madison and they

1479
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 1: the winner would have a ranked win. So there's no

1480
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: way to is.

1481
01:32:35,560 --> 01:32:39,360
Speaker 2: You couldn't justify taking Miami over Duke if wins. Is

1482
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:40,640
Speaker 2: that what you're trying to say.

1483
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: You can't. It's not even possible, Like there is no

1484
01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: possible there no, there is no possible way by the

1485
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff rules that Miami can get in. There's

1486
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:58,759
Speaker 1: no possible way outside of Miami jumping.

1487
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,679
Speaker 2: How could Duke jump them?

1488
01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:08,240
Speaker 1: Because if they beat Virginia, they are I'm glad you're

1489
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,599
Speaker 1: asking these questions because they are then the ACC champion. Okay,

1490
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 1: So right now, SEC, you got Big ten, SEC, Big twelve.

1491
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 1: Their champions are already going to be inside of the

1492
01:33:24,840 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: top twelve. Like you don't have to worry about it, Okay.

1493
01:33:29,160 --> 01:33:35,639
Speaker 1: The next conference champion, the fourth one right now is

1494
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:39,080
Speaker 1: who's possible to be a conference champion is number seventeen.

1495
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: Virginia Okay. Yes, if Virginia loses, that means Duke is

1496
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:52,880
Speaker 1: the ACC champion. Okay, but the American champion Tulane or

1497
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,240
Speaker 1: North Texas is for sure going to be ranked in

1498
01:33:55,240 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 1: front of Duke. Okay, Yeah, that's four. James Madison is

1499
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 1: in the Sun Belt, so they could be your fifth.

1500
01:34:05,800 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: So so Duke would have to be in front of

1501
01:34:08,479 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: James Madison to get into the college football playoffs.

1502
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:19,800
Speaker 2: Okay, and that is a human element decision. Yes, And

1503
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 2: we can't just give the number five ranked team a

1504
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 2: bye no for fun fuzzies. Well, I mean, I guess

1505
01:34:31,640 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 2: take I guess take Duke. If Tulane's already going, so.

1506
01:34:42,479 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna put them, so you're gonna rank them in

1507
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:47,240
Speaker 1: front of James Madison. You had them in front of

1508
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,759
Speaker 1: James Madison last week. Is a five lost team getting

1509
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: a ranked win over the seventeen team justification to do that?

1510
01:34:58,160 --> 01:35:01,639
Speaker 2: Yeah? But do I think that they're justifications for anything

1511
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:04,280
Speaker 2: have made any sense? No. The thing that I would

1512
01:35:04,280 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 2: love to change about the first of all, you know,

1513
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 2: I would like to do away with the week to

1514
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 2: week talking about it anyway. But Hunter Yrcheck should not

1515
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 2: ever have a microphone, even even if he's just sharing

1516
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:23,600
Speaker 2: what other people are saying in that room. Yeah, we

1517
01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 2: should make we should make this like the papal conclave

1518
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:28,639
Speaker 2: or whatever. We don't get to know, we just get

1519
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 2: to know that they made a decision.

1520
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I think we need to do it like

1521
01:35:32,880 --> 01:35:35,679
Speaker 1: the like the acc Review Center.

1522
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 2: Well then get then, Yeah, but I'm for that. If

1523
01:35:41,160 --> 01:35:45,839
Speaker 2: we're going to be at least put let us watch.

1524
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 2: Let us watch the whole thing so we actually know

1525
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:56,679
Speaker 2: who to be mad at. And let also the public

1526
01:35:56,720 --> 01:36:00,000
Speaker 2: be able to vote on who's in the committee. And

1527
01:36:00,040 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 2: people run for it like in a democracy, like congressional representatives.

1528
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:08,400
Speaker 2: So you have to win a seat. Yeah, because I

1529
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 2: think you have the platform, and I think you have

1530
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 2: the easily articulatable ideas, and I do I do think

1531
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 2: that people should have to run for a seat on

1532
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 2: the CFP. Oh, I think you should have to run

1533
01:36:24,880 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 2: for a seat on the CFP and then you and

1534
01:36:27,120 --> 01:36:30,519
Speaker 2: then it should be broadcast like c SPAN broadcast these

1535
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 2: boring ass congressional hearings. You should get a camera in

1536
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 2: the room and the people that ran for it. If

1537
01:36:37,640 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 2: you want to run for re election, it's going to

1538
01:36:39,400 --> 01:36:43,200
Speaker 2: be based on whether or not you were you know,

1539
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:48,640
Speaker 2: and and it's who votes. Who votes then becomes the conundrum.

1540
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 2: And I think that it should be the I think

1541
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:54,599
Speaker 2: it should be the media and possibly former players. I don't.

1542
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:59,000
Speaker 2: I think we should get the representatives of the school

1543
01:36:59,080 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 2: up out of here, yes, because they have other stuff

1544
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:03,640
Speaker 2: they should be doing. There's a lot of focus on

1545
01:37:03,640 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 2: football when you got the volleyball happening at the exact

1546
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,639
Speaker 2: same time. The ads are all there. We've had multiple

1547
01:37:08,640 --> 01:37:11,840
Speaker 2: people have to drop out, and so get people who

1548
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,360
Speaker 2: actually talk about this stuff, debate this stuff, people in

1549
01:37:14,400 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 2: the media, have them run for it, have the AD's

1550
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:18,200
Speaker 2: vote on the people who are going to be in place,

1551
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 2: and yes, and have the AD's vote on yes.

1552
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:24,919
Speaker 1: That is a great idea. I like that. I'm building

1553
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: that platform. That's a good idea. All right, let's go

1554
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 1: to the neckar welcome.

1555
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,599
Speaker 2: You can take credit for it too, because if it's bad,

1556
01:37:32,640 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna want to the criticism.

1557
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:41,560
Speaker 1: All right, the next game up is now, this is interesting.

1558
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:43,880
Speaker 1: We spent that much time on the ACC game, but

1559
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:47,639
Speaker 1: so we'll we'll go quicker on these. We got the

1560
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:51,840
Speaker 1: SEC championship, Ralph, we got the Judge of Bulldogs playing

1561
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,360
Speaker 1: the number two seed playing against the number one seed,

1562
01:37:55,439 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 1: the nine ranked team Alabama Crimson tie. Alabama beat them

1563
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:06,080
Speaker 1: last time in Athens. This is in the Mercedes Ben's Dome.

1564
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 1: Who wins?

1565
01:38:12,760 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 2: I am having a hard time getting twenty twenty three

1566
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 2: PAC twelve Championship out of my head.

1567
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Oregon Washington, where we had a team

1568
01:38:26,960 --> 01:38:28,800
Speaker 3: that couldn't really run the ball that well and it

1569
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 3: didn't matter because it was prepping for one game and

1570
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:36,719
Speaker 3: Kaylin de Bor can do a pretty damn good job

1571
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:40,960
Speaker 3: of all right, all our resources are dedicated into this

1572
01:38:41,320 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 3: one thing, and we're punching up, and you know, both

1573
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:47,799
Speaker 3: of these are flawed teams.

1574
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:56,200
Speaker 2: It gives me pause because I Georgia is not the

1575
01:38:56,479 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 2: Georgia that won two national championships. They're still very, very

1576
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:05,360
Speaker 2: very good. But I can't get that out of my head.

1577
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 2: And I know that that's not sound analysis. But the

1578
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three PAC twelve Championship in the Mercedes Benzzome

1579
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 2: reminds me of University of Washington in Allegiance Stadium in

1580
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 2: Las Vegas going and doing something that they already did

1581
01:39:19,080 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 2: once against a team that's probably favored above them. With

1582
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 2: a very flawed offense but a very good quarterback. So

1583
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 2: I got a rock with Alabama on this one, and

1584
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm hoping it also provides a Ryan Williams kind of

1585
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 2: redemption story because he's in the doghouse, I guess so

1586
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:39,320
Speaker 2: feels like it, doesn't it.

1587
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not on the injury report. So I'm going

1588
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:48,519
Speaker 1: to triple down on the decision that I made at

1589
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,160
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year that Alabama was going to

1590
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 1: miss the college football playoff. They're gonna lose this game

1591
01:39:54,760 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 1: by three scores, seventeen points. This is going to be

1592
01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:03,920
Speaker 1: a boat race. The only way they get out, the

1593
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 1: only way they get out they can't run the football.

1594
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:13,240
Speaker 1: Jam Miller's out. Heill is their guy. I think Georgia

1595
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:17,679
Speaker 1: Kirby Smart is too good. He knows what they did

1596
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 1: wrong last time. Georgia's running the ball significantly better than

1597
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: they were at that point in time in the season.

1598
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:28,840
Speaker 1: Ty Ty Simpson has not been great versus good defenses

1599
01:40:30,280 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: Key Auburn, and Auburn was terrible against the past all season.

1600
01:40:35,479 --> 01:40:37,320
Speaker 1: And remember I said they're gonna be able to stop

1601
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 1: the run with a light box, and then they're gonna

1602
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,439
Speaker 1: be able to stop Alabama, and that's exactly what they did.

1603
01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: Healing threw for like one hundred and twenty two yards

1604
01:40:45,320 --> 01:40:47,840
Speaker 1: or something. If he does that against Georgia, it is

1605
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:51,519
Speaker 1: gonna be a boat race. So Georgia by seventeen.

1606
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just Gunner stocked. And I don't know who

1607
01:40:56,800 --> 01:40:59,559
Speaker 2: he is at this point in the season. What he

1608
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,240
Speaker 2: did to Texas is not something that I expected. What

1609
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:05,640
Speaker 2: he did against Georgia Tech made no sense. And what

1610
01:41:05,680 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 2: I'm saying he went twenty four to twenty nine against

1611
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 2: Texas four touchdowns and against Georgia Tech he went eleven

1612
01:41:12,120 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 2: of twenty one for seventy yards at a pick. Yeah,

1613
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 2: who is he?

1614
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:23,679
Speaker 1: And so I know you're right, You're right.

1615
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 2: I don't know what we either one of us could

1616
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,759
Speaker 2: be well, I guess we could both be wrong. Georgia

1617
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 2: could eke it out.

1618
01:41:29,680 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 1: But let's see all right, BYU Texas Tech. Texas Tech

1619
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:37,920
Speaker 1: won this game last time twenty nine to seven, and

1620
01:41:38,120 --> 01:41:43,120
Speaker 1: it felt like it was fifty to three. Literally, I

1621
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:46,720
Speaker 1: mean it felt like they won by a million. So

1622
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't see how this is different. But BYU getting Kalanie,

1623
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:58,960
Speaker 1: so TAKEI back. Bear Bachmeier is older like he's no

1624
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:03,200
Speaker 1: longer young freshman. He is old freshman. Now, he's seen more,

1625
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:07,320
Speaker 1: he's seen twelve games of work. I think this game

1626
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:14,840
Speaker 1: is closer, but Texas Tech's defense is just too tough. Unfortunately, BYU,

1627
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:19,000
Speaker 1: you came a long way. Bad news is you got

1628
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 1: in front of Texas Tech.

1629
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:31,479
Speaker 2: Hmm. I want to give credit to BYU, their coaching staff,

1630
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 2: their entire team. Yeah, I think they maximized. They did

1631
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 2: better than I thought that they would do, and I

1632
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 2: thought that they should not start eight to zer end

1633
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:42,639
Speaker 2: up nine to three. They're eleven and one. The one

1634
01:42:42,680 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 2: loss was the Texas Tech and as you said, it

1635
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:49,519
Speaker 2: didn't feel or look close at all. And there's not

1636
01:42:49,720 --> 01:42:54,960
Speaker 2: really a history of BYU getting a second shot at anybody,

1637
01:42:55,040 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 2: and so to know how they adjust is hard. It's

1638
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 2: hard to tell. You know, last year they went to

1639
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,599
Speaker 2: a slump where they lost to Kansas and Arizona State

1640
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 2: back to back, and then they were able to turn

1641
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 2: around beat Houston and Colorado, but that you know, those

1642
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:18,720
Speaker 2: were not necessarily great teams. They did thump Colorado, but

1643
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 2: it was a very flawed, one dimensional roster. And so

1644
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 2: I closer. I'll just say that, I'll say I'll say

1645
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:31,519
Speaker 2: maybe a fourteen eleven to fourteen point Texas Tech win.

1646
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 2: I think it'll be closer. I will give BYU credit

1647
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 2: for the staff that they have. I believe is gonna

1648
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 2: be able to adjust. I think the environment's going to

1649
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:44,760
Speaker 2: be super electric. There will be a lot of blue there.

1650
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 2: Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. I know it's sold

1651
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:50,559
Speaker 2: out because it's in Texas, and that's where Texas Tech is.

1652
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:53,760
Speaker 2: Texas Tech about as close to where they're playing as

1653
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:56,200
Speaker 2: BYU is. So there's gonna be a lot of blue

1654
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 2: in that stadium. It's gonna be a good time. I

1655
01:43:58,560 --> 01:44:02,800
Speaker 2: think they hang tight, but not not a win.

1656
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 1: Wait you think was gonna win?

1657
01:44:11,160 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 2: No, No, I think they'll hang tough. Oh, eleven to fourteen.

1658
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,200
Speaker 2: But that's good, right, Like that's good for at least

1659
01:44:18,200 --> 01:44:20,400
Speaker 2: for the committee. Maybe not for you. I think you're ambibling.

1660
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,479
Speaker 2: You don't care, but no, it is. It is good

1661
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 2: for the committee. If by You lose, it is correct? Yes, yeah, yeah.

1662
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,519
Speaker 1: If they could Buffalo wild Wings this this game, they

1663
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:40,040
Speaker 1: absolutely would, all right, so oh yeah, so and the

1664
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: American end the sum Belt games are on Friday. The

1665
01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:44,320
Speaker 1: rest of them are on Saturday. So the last game

1666
01:44:44,360 --> 01:44:46,360
Speaker 1: that we got to talk about Ralph.

1667
01:44:48,160 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 2: And this is a.

1668
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:54,760
Speaker 1: Thing I put it last because I don't know who

1669
01:44:54,840 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 1: to pick. In this game. We got Indiana Ohio State.

1670
01:45:00,520 --> 01:45:05,639
Speaker 1: Oregon lost to Indiana. Ohio State hasn't played against any

1671
01:45:06,200 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 1: resistance at all. Michigan's offense is insufferably bad. Again, It's

1672
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 1: like watching North Carolina but with better athletes. So I

1673
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,599
Speaker 1: don't even know what to make of it. This is

1674
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,559
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna learn a lot about Indiana and

1675
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:27,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna learn a lot about Ohio State in this game.

1676
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:34,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I gotta pick. I think I think

1677
01:45:34,439 --> 01:45:36,559
Speaker 1: it's an Ohio State's a five and a half point

1678
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 1: favorite in this game. I think this is a close game.

1679
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:44,280
Speaker 1: People are not used to believing in Indiana yet I

1680
01:45:44,320 --> 01:45:46,599
Speaker 1: think this is the game that they finally make people

1681
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 1: believe believe. So I'm gonna take Indiana.

1682
01:45:59,479 --> 01:45:59,839
Speaker 2: Damn.

1683
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,559
Speaker 1: Ohio State's defense is so good, But I believe that

1684
01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 1: Julian Saying is gonna get his first trouble in this game.

1685
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:08,639
Speaker 1: He's gonna find trouble for the first time in this game,

1686
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:10,840
Speaker 1: and Indiana wins by a field goal.

1687
01:46:13,200 --> 01:46:15,040
Speaker 2: I one question for you that I'll give you my pick.

1688
01:46:15,080 --> 01:46:16,800
Speaker 2: I'll make it really really brief. Does this game this

1689
01:46:16,840 --> 01:46:19,040
Speaker 2: game doesn't matter, right, No, they're both getting to buy.

1690
01:46:19,360 --> 01:46:23,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't. Well, well, assuming that it's close, assuming

1691
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:27,280
Speaker 1: that it's close, like if if well, if Ohio State wins,

1692
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:30,840
Speaker 1: but like, like, I don't think that there's a world

1693
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:34,040
Speaker 1: where Ohio State can fall below Oregon, who's at five

1694
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:37,200
Speaker 1: right now? You see what I'm saying. Yeah, so yeah,

1695
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:39,719
Speaker 1: so it's pretty safe to say that, no matter what happens,

1696
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:40,559
Speaker 1: that they're gonna get a buy.

1697
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:46,920
Speaker 2: Okay, give me Indiana. I don't. I think that we

1698
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 2: watched what Ohio State did last year, and I think

1699
01:46:50,640 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 2: that they're I think this game matters to Indiana a

1700
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 2: little more than it matters to Ohio State.

1701
01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if if Ohio State wins this game and

1702
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:06,200
Speaker 1: they're not really contested, they might be an all time

1703
01:47:06,200 --> 01:47:10,759
Speaker 1: great team. But that's saying something.

1704
01:47:11,400 --> 01:47:14,240
Speaker 2: But I love that you said team too, because it's

1705
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:18,560
Speaker 2: not it's not like they have they have electric individual

1706
01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:20,960
Speaker 2: performers who are going to be high level first round

1707
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:25,519
Speaker 2: draft picks, but the way they play together is it's

1708
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:29,200
Speaker 2: true they will have held everybody kind of at arm's length.

1709
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:32,479
Speaker 2: All season long. And that's something that really only a

1710
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:35,959
Speaker 2: couple of Alabama teams have ever done in my lifetime.

1711
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:40,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're very right, But you guys, though, that is

1712
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:44,440
Speaker 1: the Pac twelfth. Yes, damn.

1713
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:52,840
Speaker 2: Yes, you had gone the full year. You had gone

1714
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,320
Speaker 2: the full college football year of not calling this pack

1715
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:59,439
Speaker 2: glob apostles. You made it to the highest heights you

1716
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:01,559
Speaker 2: could bost make it before you slipped and fell.

1717
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, like being Sisipus, I pushed the rock

1718
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:09,439
Speaker 1: all the way up the hill, and then.

1719
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 2: You did what Oregon did last year.

1720
01:48:16,720 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 1: Goodbye, Goodbye for the second week in a row. Goodbye,