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Speaker 1: Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I and

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Speaker 1: Matt and today we're talking redefining wealth and overcoming money

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Speaker 1: struggles with Patrise Washington. Patrise Washington is a number one

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Speaker 1: bestselling author who has a unique philosophy about money and

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Speaker 1: it not only determines how she coaches others, but it

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Speaker 1: shapes how she lives her own life as well. She

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Speaker 1: has been the personal finance expert on both of Steve

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Speaker 1: Harvey's radio and television shows since and she has appeared

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Speaker 1: in dozens of media outlets like dr Oz, Fox and Friends.

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Speaker 1: Patrise teaches folks how to handle their money in a

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Speaker 1: disciplined manner while simultaneously living a fulfilling life. And so

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Speaker 1: she wants you to build up wealth, but she teaches

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Speaker 1: you how to build it up with peace and purpose

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Speaker 1: as your foundations. So we're we're excited to talk all

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Speaker 1: about this and more. Patrese, thank you for joining the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, we're so excited to Patrese. We're pumped for

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Speaker 1: this conversation. And the first question we ask anybody who

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Speaker 1: comes on the show, Matt and I, we like to

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Speaker 1: drink your craft beer, and uh, it's kind of our splurge,

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Speaker 1: and so you want to know, like, do you have

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Speaker 1: something similar in your life that you're willing to spend

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Speaker 1: money on in the here and now while you're also

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Speaker 1: being purposeful with your money for the future. I'm actually

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Speaker 1: kind of hesitant to say that I am a I'm

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Speaker 1: a journal junkie. Like I have an absurd amount of journals,

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Speaker 1: you guys, journals planners. I'm obsessed and I have more

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Speaker 1: planners than I will probably live to plan. I love

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Speaker 1: colorful sharpies. I'm the person who is super excited. I'm

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Speaker 1: not excited when an office supply store is going out

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Speaker 1: of business, but when they putting things on those clearance racks,

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Speaker 1: you guys, I go nuts and it's not right, it's

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Speaker 1: not rational, but I love it. So journals and colorful

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Speaker 1: sharpie'es are my splurge. Like every week it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: a problem, my husband's disappointed. You and my wife could

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Speaker 1: geek out on that. Well, and you know you mentioned planners. Uh,

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Speaker 1: We're actually gonna get to this later in the episode,

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Speaker 1: but we'll talk about you and you know your calendaring.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to all about here later on. But Patricia,

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Speaker 1: you know you begin your book talking about the collapse

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Speaker 1: of your real estate business back in oh seven, even

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Speaker 1: before we get to that. You know that means you

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Speaker 1: got into real estate really early in life. What got

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Speaker 1: you interested in real estate in the first place? And uh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: like how did you actually get started? So my freshman

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Speaker 1: wanted to emphasize in entrepreneurial studies, but I had no

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Speaker 1: idea doing what Like, I didn't have a vision for what.

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Speaker 1: I just knew I wanted to own my time. And

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Speaker 1: so I was introduced to real estate at eighteen and

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Speaker 1: estate salesperson's license, and I started to show homes and

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Speaker 1: especially coming up as a young Beliegian American girl grew

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Speaker 1: I turned it into a real business. I went after

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Speaker 1: my broker's license, which in California, when you were a

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Speaker 1: my now husband then he was just a guy that

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Speaker 1: And what was supposed to be this baby is coming

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Speaker 1: That's that's gonna be yeah, so hard emotionally, Like you said,

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Speaker 1: So I want to be clear, I freaked out. Actually

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Speaker 1: um that if they have the sniffles, it's immediately addressed that.

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Speaker 1: You know, anytime something is wrong with people we love,

431
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: we jump on it. But whenever something is wrong physically

432
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 1: with us, we ignore it or we prolong it, and

433
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 1: we put ourselves at the bottom of the list. And

434
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: so here I was saying, Oh my gosh, I want

435
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 1: to I want my territory to be enlarged. I want

436
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: to speak all over the country. I'm want you know,

437
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm starting to create these goals. I'm getting in the

438
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 1: blogging right and I'm starting to get recognized for it.

439
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 1: And I have all these lofty ambitions, but I couldn't

440
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: even breathe walking around my apartment. I was ignoring the

441
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: fact that I was sure to breath, that I was

442
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: always fatigued, and I made it like no big deal.

443
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: I brushed it off because I am now in the

444
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: land of social media, where everyone is on their hustling grind,

445
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: and it is so noble to be up at three

446
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: am on your grind, and it is like a badge

447
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: of honor to compare how tired you are with others. Right,

448
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: if someone's like, oh my gosh, I got no sleep,

449
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: You're like, I haven't slept in days. I've been working

450
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: on my launch, right, And so I got into that

451
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: and I found myself again in the emergency room because

452
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 1: I have food poisoning. But once they started to run tests,

453
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 1: what the doctor came back and said is like, you know,

454
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: you've got more problems than food poisoning. I'm like, hey, sir,

455
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: that's you're being rude, Like I know I have problems.

456
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: He's like, your blood clown is really low like you

457
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: are um, your iron is severely like low, like your

458
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 1: hemo global levels for a woman of childbearing age should

459
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: be twelve and up. You're running at under five. You're

460
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: running on fumes. And that didn't just start. You had

461
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: to have been doing this for a long time. He said,

462
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: did you ignore the symptoms? I'm like, well I don't.

463
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, what are the symptoms symptoms? Right? Fatigue? Well, yeah,

464
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: everyone's tired. I'm on my hustle and grind right, shortness

465
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Speaker 1: of breath. Oh, that's why I have to take a

466
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: break walking up two flights stairs here. I was pushing

467
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: myself harder to go to the gym and to work

468
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: out more because I'm like, you gotta pull it together.

469
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: But the truth was I have been ignoring the signs.

470
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 1: What good is wealth? What good is money? Right? Or

471
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: financial wealth if you're not even here to enjoy it.

472
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: But so many of us are working ourselves into the

473
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 1: ground so that we can enjoy some retirement ten twenty

474
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 1: thirty years from now. But we're not honoring the only

475
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 1: vessel we get to execute that vision. That's a problem,

476
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,199
Speaker 1: and that is when we say health is wealth, we

477
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: make it this like, oh, health is wealth? No? No, really,

478
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: like either take care of yourself now or you're going

479
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: to pay like you're gonna pay for it now or

480
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: pay for it later. I love too how you you

481
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: touched not just on physical fitness but also mental fitness.

482
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: And one of the cool rules that you mentioned in

483
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Speaker 1: your book is the ninety eight to rule and how

484
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: that can set you up for success. And you actually

485
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: talk about how your husband is a perfect example of this.

486
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: What is that rule? And then how have you seen

487
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: it at work? So the two rule was actually something

488
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: I got from a good friend of ours, Kelly Cardinas,

489
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: and when he was on the podcast, he talked about

490
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 1: this philosophy that his dad taught him, and it was

491
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 1: that life is basically ninety eight percent your attitude and

492
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 1: only two percent aptitude. And I really believe this right

493
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 1: that if we live by this ninety eight to rule,

494
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: that it's all attitude, like the attitude that we bring

495
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: to anything. I tell the ladies in my program, your

496
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 1: attitude towards this process is going to determine your success.

497
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: So the other part of this, and understanding that it's

498
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 1: always mindset, is just to know that if you comment

499
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: life with this, oh, I've had financial failure, I've had challenges,

500
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 1: I've had difficulties. This I'm not smart enough, I'm not

501
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: a money person. That's going to be the experience. It's

502
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: not so much the aptitude. And a lot of people

503
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: don't do well with finances. And I'm sure you guys

504
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: have heard this. You probably get it from your listeners.

505
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm a creative person, I'm not a money person. Well,

506
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 1: if that's the mindset and the attitude that you're moving with,

507
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: you're always going to have a problem, right, You're always

508
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: going to stay away from doing those things that will

509
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: actually help you build wealth. It's not that people who

510
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: are doing well or decently with money are so much

511
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: smarter than you. They've just taken on a different attitude

512
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: that they won't allow what they know or or don't

513
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: know to limit what they can achieve. Attitude. Yeah, it's

514
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 1: so important. So yeah, you're talking about fitness, physical fitness,

515
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: you're talking about mental fitness. I love how in the

516
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: book Till you call it protecting the vessel, right, because

517
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 1: it's so important for us to maintain you know, our bodies,

518
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: our lives, are our our mental state in order to

519
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: do the other things that are important to us. But

520
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: that the next player that you mentioned too is people, right,

521
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: And it seems like in our world today, it's easier

522
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: than ever to distance and isolate ourselves as more individuals

523
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: are are able to work and make a living, you know,

524
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: without directly interacting with others. Right, Like I'm thinking about

525
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: stream Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking about like the gig economy. Um.

526
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 1: But so why, in your opinion do you feel that

527
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 1: people are so important? Yeah? The people pillars about creating

528
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: relationships that matter. And for years now, people have asked

529
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: me how did I get certain opportunities? How did you

530
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: whatever it is, right, how have you done these things?

531
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: And I always tell them it's not really about pitching.

532
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 1: It's never really been about the perfect pitch. It's been

533
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: about attracting opportunities because of how I show up. Right,

534
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 1: I'm kind and pleasant. Whether you're the CEO or the janitor,

535
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. There's something I feel that I can

536
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: learn from any and everyone that I come into contact with.

537
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: I learned from my thirteen year old daughter every day, right,

538
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: That's I told you guys before we started. She's definitely

539
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: thirteen going on thirty nine, like, right, So I'm always learning.

540
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: But I believe that even when we have to have

541
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: difficult conversations, there's a way to leave people with their

542
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: that he intact so that the relationship might be untied.

543
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: But you're not burning a bridge because even though it

544
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: seems like we're all isolated and doing our own thing,

545
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: we're also more connected than ever and you never know

546
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: who knows who right. And we we've talked about six

547
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: degrees of separation, but I don't think we take it seriously.

548
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: And I really think that now we're down to like

549
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: one degree for most people. If you talk long enough,

550
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna go, oh, that's also my Instagram friend, right,

551
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: Like there's some way. And what I've seen over the

552
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: years is that people will dismiss and disregard folks that

553
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: they don't think can do something for them. And I

554
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: want to submit to you that there's always someone watching

555
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: you who has the power to bless you. But how

556
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: are they watching you? Show up? Do you engage, do

557
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: you serve? Do you offer value? I've got friends friends

558
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: with podcasts, and they've got a few hundred downloads like

559
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 1: every episode, and I think sometimes they hold themselves up

560
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 1: to this impossible standard, like, man, I'm not getting you know,

561
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: thousands or hundreds of thousands of downloads a month. I'm

562
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: getting I'm getting you know, um, and I just like

563
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: encourage them. If if that many people showed up to

564
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: listen to you talk in a physical room, you would

565
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: show up in a heartbeat. You have to Those are

566
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: real people, They're not numbers on a page. And I think, yeah,

567
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: I love your mission to like, uh, to basically not

568
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: just get from other people, but contribute to other people.

569
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: Like that's a huge part of your mission. I love

570
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: that give, give, give, and give some more. I remember

571
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: when people would say, oh my gosh, um, their whole

572
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: marketing plan was to meet Oprah. I'm going to go

573
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: on the Oprah Winfrey show. Right. It was like it works,

574
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: like if it works, But I'm like, how many clients? Right?

575
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: How many? How many clients? How many peers? How many

576
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: people who were in arms length reached to you? Did

577
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: you dismiss for this dream to get to Oprah? If

578
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 1: it works for you, look waiting to be discovered by

579
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: Oprah too. But in the meantime, I'm going to do

580
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: what I need to do to serve those in my

581
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: sphere of influence. And that has been really a secret.

582
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: I just really focused on treating people well and showing

583
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: up and supporting other people. And the other piece of

584
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: that is not just your professional relationships, but even personal

585
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that I think so many of

586
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: us carry around I don't know if dad guilt is

587
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: a thing, because I heard that there's a guilt gender gap,

588
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: but mom guilt is a thing, you know, for many

589
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: of us, and you know, as women in general, we

590
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: kind of will walk around and feel guilty for all

591
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: kinds of things. Is perceived guilt, not even for real things.

592
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: But one of the ways that I've been able to

593
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: overcome that is that when I'm with my family, I'm

594
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: with my family. And the other part about creating relationships

595
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: that matters understanding that when we're present, while in the

596
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: presence of the people we say we love, and we

597
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: give them attention, like not scrolling through Instagram while our

598
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: kids are trying to tell us a story. High I

599
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: learned from that lesson raising my hand. If we learned

600
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: to put the phone away when we're at dinner, if

601
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: we learned to give our significant other people we love

602
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: undivided attention, like while we're in those um intimate spaces.

603
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: The more we're able to do that, the more confidently

604
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 1: we can go out and serve in our professional lives

605
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: because in the back of our heads we don't have

606
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: this nagging idea that something is wrong at home, and

607
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: that does impact your ability to show up and be

608
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: focused on the things that you need to do. If

609
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: secretly you feel like, well, I've been a public success

610
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: but a private failure. Patrice, you know one of the

611
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: other pillars here to you, I wanted to touch on

612
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: real quickly before the break you talked about I mean space,

613
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: space is one of them, right, and and so you're

614
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, you're really into decluttering. You kind of you

615
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: touched on that earlier in the episode. There's obvious benefits

616
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: to decluttering, right like, just like you said, the ability

617
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 1: to focus on the task at hand, what it is

618
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: that you need to get done. But you you also

619
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: talked about within your your Space section of your book,

620
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: you were talking about time. Uh, and you know you

621
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: also recommend for folks to calendar everything. And I was, actually,

622
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to talk to you about this because

623
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: I've really thrown myself into getting things on the calendar

624
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: that I want to to see done, because I've seen

625
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: that if I put it on the counter, I will

626
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: actually do it. Uh. And so can you shame if

627
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: you don't, you won't. It's true, It's true. I'm curious

628
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: to hear you talk about that more. Can you share

629
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: how time and money are so similar? Yeah? I think

630
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: one thing we need to recognize is that we will

631
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 1: say things like time is money, but we don't realize

632
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,319
Speaker 1: how much time we waste every day looking for things.

633
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: Many of us are looking for things we own but

634
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: can never find. There's like a statistic that says the

635
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: average person spends I think it's seventy two or seventy

636
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: six hours a year looking for things they already own

637
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: but can never find. That's all the time, right, and

638
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: now that we do so much digitally, even how we

639
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: organize things in our digital lives will save it one

640
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: way one week and save it another way a different week,

641
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: And so we're always looking for things. We're always wasting

642
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 1: so much time. And one of the things that has

643
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: helped me is I organized my calendar based on the

644
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: pillars because I believe that if we're saying that these

645
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: things matter to us, then we should make time for it,

646
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: not look for time. We should organize our lives down

647
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,440
Speaker 1: to the pillar and put everything that we need and

648
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: people are like, oh my gosh, that's so tedious. But

649
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: if I'm saying time is money. If I have a

650
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: plan for my day, if I have a plan for

651
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: my week, for my month, then I'm saving time and

652
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 1: therefore maximizing my ability to get to the money that

653
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: I say I want. And if you're spending hours a

654
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: day right because you're not setting up your life to

655
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: support you, then you're you're definitely wasting time, You're frustrating yourself,

656
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: you're cluttering your mind, and you're impeding your ability to

657
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: get to wealth sooner. Yeah. And one of the things too,

658
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: I mean, you mentioned this in the book, but you

659
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: specifically related money and time, uh, in the in the

660
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: same sense that we budget our money, we essentially plan

661
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: our time using the calendar, and and you you kind

662
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: of equated the calendar as like a budget for our time,

663
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: and I thought that was so brilliant. Yeah, you know,

664
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: you start to realize that many times guys will block

665
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: the day for something that really only needed ninety minutes.

666
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: Right when you start to get really granular with this,

667
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: sometimes my system will put something on my calendar, you know,

668
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: for an hour, and I'll change it to fifteen minutes

669
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: because you know that's not a wise use of my

670
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: time budget, right, Like, in the time we give ourselves,

671
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: it's like Parkinson's laws. You know, the time you give

672
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: yourself to complete a task is the time it will take.

673
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: And so if you give yourself two hours, But if

674
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: you're real with yourself, if you were focused right and

675
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: had your life set up to support you, and you

676
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: didn't have to look around for everything, right, then you

677
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: would be able to maximize that time so much more

678
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 1: and really get down to the nit gritty. And that's

679
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: why you know, I teach this course called results not Resolutions,

680
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,720
Speaker 1: And what I say is I can get more done

681
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: in ninety days than the average person can get done

682
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: in a year because most people are setting of resolution.

683
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,919
Speaker 1: I will lose ten pounds this year. I mean, really,

684
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: does it take twelve months to lose ten pounds? Or

685
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: if you set your life up to support you and

686
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: god disciplined in granular with how you were utilizing the

687
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: time necessary for that, is that something you could hit

688
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: in thirty days? Yeah? No, you're right? Or what hey, patrise,

689
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 1: we got just a couple more questions We're gonna get

690
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: to with you, and we'll get to those right after this. Alright,

691
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: we're back from the break talking with Patrice Washington and

692
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: Patrise a couple of the other pillars that we haven't

693
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: touched on, faith, work, money again. You know, we're kind

694
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: of joking about how you saved money for the very

695
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: end your book, and I don't. I'm not even actually

696
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: sure if we're gonna get some money. Yeah. Well, I mean,

697
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: and you talk about this in the book, and we

698
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: talk about this on the show, but so much of

699
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: personal financial knowledge and the practices it's I mean, it's

700
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts. It's it's not mind blowing lee hard,

701
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: it's all the other things that go into making sure

702
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: that we're doing the right thing. You know. One one, dude,

703
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,240
Speaker 1: I think one time put all the must know personal

704
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 1: finance stuff on one index card, right, and that like

705
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: went viral because it's like, oh, yeah, I guess there's

706
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: really not all that much you actually need to know,

707
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: And there's just so many other aspects which you tackle

708
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: in your book that are just as important to how

709
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: we live our lives and handle our Money's right, Yeah,

710
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: So you mentioned your faith, like that's an incredibly important

711
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: part of your life, but you mentioned something under the

712
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: work pillar. And you're talking about the difference between giftings

713
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: and passions, you know, you make a good argument for

714
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 1: why they are different. Can you make kind of make

715
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: that argument here? Yeah, you know, I got tired of

716
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: hearing people say follow your passion and the money will.

717
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: We've all heard it, and there's a lot of people

718
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: who are living by that. But the truth is, sometimes

719
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: you can be passionate about things that you're not gifted in,

720
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: that you're not skilled in. And so my example is

721
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: I'm passionate about singing. If you come to my house,

722
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 1: you can hear me belting out tunes in the shower

723
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: on any given morning or evening. Here's the truth, no

724
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: one will ever pay me to sing, right. Passion is

725
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: about what energizes you, what excites you, what makes you happy.

726
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: It really doesn't turn into purpose until it can serve others.

727
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: That's the truth. And sometimes we need to allow ourselves

728
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: to get passionate about things that we are actually gifted in.

729
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: Because I believe that each and every one of us

730
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: was born with a gift of some kind of talent

731
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 1: of skill that we were given freely, that it was

732
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: a gift, like we didn't do anything in particular to

733
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 1: earn it. I didn't. I didn't get Whitney Houston's vocal cords, right,

734
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: It just she got them. Really here, I am in

735
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: the shower, not my ministry, not my thing, right, So

736
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: it would make no sense for me to pursue that

737
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: and use so much time, energy resources to keep trying

738
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: to force this thing that is not in alignment with

739
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: what I'm gifted at. And I think that we need

740
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,280
Speaker 1: to start to have honest conversations about this, because we've

741
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: all seen American Idol, Right, We've all seen the shows

742
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: where when they do the the outtakes the people who

743
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: didn't make it, and you're like, what possessed them to

744
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: stand in line for two days for this opportunity that

745
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: they were not? Right, Like, are you honest conversation with them? Right?

746
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 1: That's that's why that's so important. That's why you know

747
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: why you mentioned that, And like you said, I think

748
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: it is so important especially to for for I think

749
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: the younger generation, they need to be maybe be steered

750
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: slightly more in the direction of it's not like you said,

751
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: it's not just about your passions, it's about your giftings.

752
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: Like what is it that you are actually going to

753
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 1: be able to pursue Uh, that's gonna be something that

754
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: moves the needle in a way that helps other people,

755
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: and that you're able to make a living. And I

756
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: think that we saw that this past year, right where

757
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: so many of us our lives were disrupted and turned

758
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: upside down, and for the first time, people are going, well,

759
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: what can I do? Not for the first time, but

760
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: you know, since the last recession where everything was uprooted abruptly,

761
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: and now you're going, well, what do I have that

762
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: I can use? Like we're very I think we're blessed

763
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: to live in the air of the gig economy, where

764
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: you can take things that you're naturally good at or

765
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: have some background in and create money. But there's so

766
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: many people who dismiss and deny and ignore the things

767
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: that come to them easily. And so you know, the

768
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: the subtitle of the book is how to Stop Chasing

769
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: money and live your Life's purpose. And I really believe

770
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: that when we're more clear about our purpose, we can

771
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: set the priorities right for our else so we're not

772
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 1: just making financial decisions on a whim. We're actually able

773
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: to focus and do the things on that index. Card

774
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: that you talked about, right, Because now it's not about

775
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: trying to fill the void, the void that's created when

776
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: we're doing work that's out of alignment. Right when we're

777
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: like going to work punching the air as they say, like,

778
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 1: or we're sitting in our car before we go in

779
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: going if someone says something to me today that is

780
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: out of line, I'm gonna snap. Right, Well, maybe you're

781
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: using the right gift, but you're in the wrong place.

782
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: And maybe the truth is you need to realign your

783
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: career aspirations to be more in alignment with who you

784
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: really are, not who your parents thought you should be,

785
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: not just what puts food on the table, but who

786
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: are you really Because when we keep trying to force

787
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: ourselves to stay in these places. And I'm not saying

788
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: I went through season, you know, I went through the

789
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: season where I had to take odd jobs to do

790
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: what I needed to do. Right. I had a child

791
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: at rent, I had these responsibilities on my payment plans. Right,

792
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: I took jobs that we're not necessarily in alignment with

793
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: what I saw for myself. But I didn't go and

794
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 1: park there, right, I didn't just live there. I knew

795
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: there was a means to an end. But sometimes when

796
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: we're not this deliberate or intentional about choosing things that

797
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: are in alignment with our purpose, we go someplace that

798
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: was meant to be a temporary job and we stay

799
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: for a decade, and then we try to soothe ourselves

800
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: by buying a bigger house, getting another car, you know,

801
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: expensive jewelry, the vacations, emotional spending. Now we're doing all

802
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,600
Speaker 1: these things to fill the void, when really, if we

803
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,479
Speaker 1: just shifted what we were doing day end and day out,

804
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: that void could be filled and we wouldn't need to

805
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: window shopper, you know, shop online as much as we do. Yeah,

806
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: all right, So I feel like we've been remissed to

807
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: not mention money much at all in this episode. But

808
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: but uh, we've talked about so much more than that.

809
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: We've talked about redefining wealth and what uh it looks

810
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: like to be truly wealthy as a person in Patrice.

811
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: I so appreciate your insight, but I do want to

812
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 1: ask you. You You mentioned your daughter earlier on in this episode,

813
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: and I read, or I think I saw you you

814
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: say at one point that you make it a point

815
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: to include your daughter in big time family money decisions,

816
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: and so many people leave their kids. So many couples

817
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: leave their kid out of any sort of major financial discussion.

818
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: It's like go to bed or go watch TV while

819
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 1: while you know, your mom and I or your dad

820
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: and I make make this decision. And and uh, I

821
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: love that you include her. Why is that so important

822
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: to you? And how do you bring her into those

823
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: family talks. It's important to us because we want her

824
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: to learn from our mistakes as much as she learns

825
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 1: from the things that we did. Well, then you know,

826
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: we we don't always get it right, and that's okay

827
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: because I don't ever want her to have shame or

828
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: fear or guilt or embarrassment around, you know, making a

829
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: bad choice. And so we like for her to see

830
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: things play out from beginning to end. When we were

831
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 1: moving back from California to Georgia, we involved her in

832
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: the in the conversation. We involved her and while we

833
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: were downsizing UM, anyone in California knows what I'm saying.

834
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: You can, you know, pay a million dollars and live

835
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: in a shack. They're very easy to do. And when

836
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: my husband UM was no longer in the entertainment industry,

837
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: it didn't make sense for us to give California all

838
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: of our money, and so we downsized. And this is

839
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen. We downsized, and we talked to her

840
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: about why. We talked to her about the plan. We

841
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: showed her what you know a certain dollar amount gets

842
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: you in California versus what that can get you in Georgia.

843
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: We talked to her about state tax rates, and we

844
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,879
Speaker 1: because it was going to be emotional to leave her friends, right,

845
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: no kid wants to leave their friends. And but we

846
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,800
Speaker 1: wanted her to see the bigger picture, and we wanted

847
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,359
Speaker 1: her to not just have this memory of like, yeah,

848
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: we randomly moved into a smaller apartment for a year.

849
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was about. No, we want

850
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: her to have an example of what we did and why,

851
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: so that when she's older, when she finds herself in

852
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: these different predicaments that life will bring, that she can

853
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: calmly take a step back and perhaps remove some of

854
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: the emotion. Unlike what we did, she can perhaps remove

855
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: some of the emotion and look at the bigger picture

856
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,720
Speaker 1: and what the payoff is in the end, and hiding

857
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: it from her would do her a disservice. Our kids

858
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: are only kids for such a short time. If we

859
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: don't get bold and radical about having these conversations, what

860
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: we create our generational cycles of money troubles, and we

861
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: wanted that cycle to end with us. Yeah, it's all

862
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: about educating them and making sure that they don't repeat

863
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: those same mistakes that you make. How I think that's

864
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: that's so great, Patrice, Man, this has been such an

865
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: awesome conversation. We really again, we appreciate your perspective, the

866
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: knowledge and the experience that you've been able to bring

867
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: this conversation. Your book Redefine Wealth for yourself. It's going

868
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: to be coming out here in a couple of weeks.

869
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: Where can folks find your book as well as learn

870
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: more about you? Sure well, you can definitely pre order

871
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: the book now on Amazon, but you can find out

872
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: more about me and all things Patrese Washington at Patrese

873
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,399
Speaker 1: Washington dot com. Awesome, Patrice here the best, Thanks again

874
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: for joining us today. We really appreciate it. Thanks for

875
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: having me, guys, I appreciate it. Joel, we just had

876
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: an awesome conversation here with Patrise Washington. Uh, I feel

877
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: like I feel like we really got to know her.

878
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,919
Speaker 1: You know, like we kind of dove into her past,

879
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: we heard her story. She shared a lot more about

880
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: her her personal story and her struggles, uh than she

881
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: even had in the book. So I'm glad that we

882
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 1: got to have this conversation. What was your big takeaway

883
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 1: from our conversation with her today? Yeah, she lives right

884
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: up the road from us, like forty five minutes north

885
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 1: and now for it, and you know what, if she

886
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: drinks beer, We're gonna get together for beer one of

887
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: those days. Because she was super cool. I really appreciated

888
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: her honesty and willing willingness to tell her story. And

889
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: I think my big takeaway was one point telling her

890
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: story and I basically insinuated that she didn't freak out,

891
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh eaight, no, no, I did

892
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: freak out. And I appreciated that that that she's willing

893
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: to to say I'm not superwoman. I had freak out moments,

894
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: and and who's not going to have a freak out

895
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: moment when you're going through a tough period like that.

896
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I just again appreciate that honesty, and

897
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: I think it just gives us all the ability to

898
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: recognize we don't have to be superhuman. When we're going

899
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: through tough times, it's okay to freak out, and it's

900
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: also okay to recognize that those things don't define you, right, Like,

901
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: I think Patrisa has been able to pivot incredibly well

902
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: from a successful real estate career that in large part,

903
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: the way it blew up was not her fault, right,

904
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: There were bigger economic factors at play in what happened

905
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: to her business and what happened to her family. Um,

906
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: But the fact that she didn't get discouraged completely and

907
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: didn't wasn't down for the count. The fact that she

908
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: was able to rebuild. I just want to give people

909
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: the permission freak out for a minute, but then you know,

910
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: start plotting the way that you're gonna come back. Yeah.

911
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: I love how that was a turning point for her,

912
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: how she was able to pivot and use that essentially

913
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: as a springboard in order to move forward with her life.

914
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: My big takeaway for this episode is going to be

915
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 1: the fact that we didn't even hardly talk about money, right,

916
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: Like we joked early on how the money was the

917
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: sixth pillar. We didn't even touch on that one at all. Uh,

918
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Speaker 1: And the whole reason is because that having healthy money habits,

919
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: it's essentially a byproduct of having a healthy life in

920
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: regards to yourself, in regards to those around you, in

921
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: regards to your faith. There are so many things that

922
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: lead to having wealth in our lives, and I feel

923
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: like Patrice was able to define that well. And oftentimes

924
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: it's not about money, right, Like money can't solve all problems.

925
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: There are lots of other things that we need to

926
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: make sure that we're focusing on. And so I appreciate

927
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: how multifaceted this episode was and how we kind of

928
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: dove into lots of different areas of our lives. Uh.

929
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: And let's be honest, we talked about money day in

930
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: and day out, and so it's good to kind of

931
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: talk about the whole self, the whole being something that's

932
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: a little more holistic as well. Yeah, no doubt, I agree. Alright,

933
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: let's quickly mention the beer that we had on the

934
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Speaker 1: show today. While we're talking with Patrice, we drank a

935
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: beer called waken Bake by Terrapin, a brewery out of

936
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Speaker 1: athens Um, Georgia, matt where you went to school, and

937
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: it's kind of an o G stout they've been making

938
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: for years, but we've never had it on the show before.

939
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: What was your take on this one? Yes, right, Yeah,

940
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: this is a coffee oatmeal Imperial stout, and dude, it

941
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: is super dark and super roasty as well. It's got

942
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,280
Speaker 1: a lot of flavor going on without being too heavy.

943
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: I feel like they were able to pack in all

944
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,959
Speaker 1: the flavors without this being a beer that I felt

945
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Speaker 1: like I would need to share. Oftentimes, you and I

946
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: will share a beer because we're like, oh, that's kind

947
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: of a big one to have in the middle of

948
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: the day during a recording, but this is one where

949
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: you and I each had our own, and I didn't

950
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: feel like it was too much. You know, We're all

951
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: about that quality, not the quantity, right. As long as

952
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: we get a really really good taste of something awesome,

953
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily need my whole can, right exactly. Yeah,

954
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 1: And they packed this one full of Jittery Joe's coffee

955
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: as well, so it's definitely had those coffee flavors going on.

956
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: Oh man, this was such intense coffee flavor. I love it. Like,

957
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: we haven't had a coffee stout in way too long

958
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 1: to make you realize, right, but the coffee's in tense,

959
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: and you know what, it's the right kind of intense

960
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: for me. If I'm gonna drink of coffee stout, like

961
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: make sure it's pack full to the brim of coffee.

962
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: And they definitely did that on this one. Uh, it's

963
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 1: definitely got some of those really bitter coffee notes. I'm

964
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: a fan of a bitter stout, though I don't like

965
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: the overly sweet stuff, So this one had the bitter

966
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: coffee notes and I dug it, man, I like wake

967
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: and bacon. I've forgotten it's been so many years that

968
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: how good of a beer this is. And it was

969
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: good to revisit it today. Yeah, it truly is one

970
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: of those o g stouts. I feel like Terrapin. I mean,

971
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 1: they've been on the scene for a while. They're out

972
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: of Athens, but they make some really good beers. They've

973
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 1: kind of fallen by by the wayside a little bit

974
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,720
Speaker 1: because Creature Comforts they showed up in Athens stole the show,

975
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: but Terrapin still makes really good beers. Check them out

976
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: if you've never tried one before. So, Joel, that's gonna

977
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: be it for this episode. Buddy Listeners can find our

978
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: show notes up on our website at how the Money

979
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:45,759
Speaker 1: dot com will make sure to include some of the

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00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: different links to where you can buy Patrice's book and

981
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: a link to her site as well, no doubt. All right, buddy,

982
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Speaker 1: until next time, Best friends out, Best friends Out,