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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Recrypsi Les Romance,

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Speaker 1: another haunting tale of love and death. Death o no

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Speaker 1: gooick cookickick ghoes. This story was suggested by James w

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much James, as James sent us story.

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Speaker 1: James went above and beyond because he sent us an

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Speaker 1: email with a detailed outline and a lot of facts

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Speaker 1: that helped get us going on us it did. Big

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Speaker 1: thanks to James for this one, because this is a

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Speaker 1: creepy story for sure. Yes, excited to bring you this today.

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Speaker 1: Just a couple of weeks before Halloween. We're getting there.

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Speaker 1: We're so close. We need to get our yard ship out.

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Speaker 1: We have really not had time to get our house decorated.

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Speaker 1: We can hold box of stuff in the basement more

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Speaker 1: on order. We're gonna it's it's going, and we still

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Speaker 1: don't have our costumes. I am just not I'm rarely.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. October is always the busiest damn

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Speaker 1: month of the year, no matter what job I have,

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Speaker 1: no matter what stage of life and I'm in, October

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Speaker 1: is always insane because there's always a lot of fault

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Speaker 1: theater happening, and it's just it's my favorite holiday, and

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Speaker 1: it's the easiest one to miss, and that's very frustrating.

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Speaker 1: It is. It's true we should have Halloween week off

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Speaker 1: of work specifically for this reason. I think we should

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Speaker 1: have also the last week of September off for work

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Speaker 1: to prepare for Octoby. Yes, absolutely, absolutely makes sense. All

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Speaker 1: that makes sense. And anyway, we'll have our petition circulating

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Speaker 1: within days. Okay, federal hollow week, Hallow week. I'm done

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Speaker 1: with these holidays. I want a hollow week. Who's with us? Yes,

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Speaker 1: let us know if you're with us, and if you are,

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Speaker 1: we will hop on over to change dot org and

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Speaker 1: get something going. Well. So good to have you back.

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Speaker 1: Always chilling episode, these chilling times. M hope everybody's feeling good,

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Speaker 1: body's feeling spooky? Yeah, hopefully you're more ready for Halloween

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Speaker 1: than we are. Um, getting those getting those scary movies in.

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Speaker 1: We've got a few to get started on ourselves, including

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Speaker 1: the new Muppets Haunted Mansion. True, not going to miss

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Speaker 1: that miss it was a Muppet thing, obviously not, but yes,

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Speaker 1: it is spooky freaking season, yes, and because of that,

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Speaker 1: we have got a spooky story for you today, a

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Speaker 1: little different than last week's um, but a bit more

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Speaker 1: of an eerie tale, something that's just going to make

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Speaker 1: skin girl a little bit, I think, um, but no

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Speaker 1: less ridiculous, definitely not. Fred ost Reich and his wife

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Speaker 1: Dolly lived a comfortable life in early dreds Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: That's the least scary place in the world. Totally. What

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Speaker 1: happened to Milwaukee cheese Kurds. Yeah, everything's great there, friends,

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Speaker 1: post Everything's fine. He was the owner of a woman's

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Speaker 1: for their home. No one would have suspected anything out

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Speaker 1: of the ordinary. But something was off, something only Fred

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Speaker 1: Then one day, a day like any other, a mysterious

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Speaker 1: own home. So let's dive in and find out all

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Speaker 1: the devilish detail. My hair is already standing up. I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. Hate it friends, Elians, you welcome to Hell.

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Speaker 1: There's no match making a romantic hedged it. You were

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Speaker 1: lying in crypt I love him, my being type of

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Speaker 1: demonico if there's a spirit With the second chance, we'll

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Speaker 1: show a production of I Heard Radio. Volburger Corsial, or

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Speaker 1: Dolly as she was called, was born in eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 1: She may have been born in Germany, but she might

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Speaker 1: have been born in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. We're not sure exactly,

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Speaker 1: Before long, Fred was in charge of the factory and

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Speaker 1: They focused primarily on aprons, and under the young Fred,

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't long before Fred was earning enough that

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Speaker 1: By the next day. Dolly would clear things up for him.

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Speaker 1: She said, you know, no, you're mistaken. I only cooked

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Speaker 1: Dolly went ahead to scout out a house while Fred

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Speaker 1: how how helpful? And sure enough in they moved to

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00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: l A and it started all over again. Now Otto

423
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: hated Los Angeles unlike Fred. The blazing sun was like, well,

424
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: too much for a man who spent years in an attic. No,

425
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: his skin was so pale it's like a vampire. Immediate

426
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: sunburn every day. Their routine went right back to normal.

427
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: Otto was happily back in the safety of dollies, Belfrey

428
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: could say. And long days in the factory for Fred

429
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: meant long days and banging on every surface in the

430
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: house for Dolly and Atto, just like they liked it.

431
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: And this continued for years. In when prohibition started, they

432
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 1: decided to add a little spice to their already naughty

433
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: behavior and started making bathtub gin together these two. Fred

434
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: never questioned the constant supply. I mean, it kept him drunk,

435
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: So what does he care where he's coming from. It's

436
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: just like great, I don't care. Great job Dolly finding

437
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: Jen sounds great. Find in this illegal gin down my throat?

438
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, just timeline wise to recap they met

439
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirteen is when he came to fix her

440
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: sewing machine over and over and over again. And he's

441
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: been living in her attic for now five years before

442
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: they move, and then once they're in Los Angeles, it's

443
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: been now another two years before it, and then it continues.

444
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: Then came the night in August of nineteen twenty two,

445
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: now almost ten years of him living in her attic,

446
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: when Fred and Dolly came home in a rage. That night.

447
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: Auto could hear them arguing from upstairs, and the shouting

448
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: got louder than usual. He was used to them fighting,

449
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: but this was different. It sounded brutal. It sounded like

450
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: maybe this might turn violent, so he was getting really nervous,

451
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: and then that loud crash. Now we know that Dolly

452
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: had slipped on a throw rug and fell to the ground,

453
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: but all Otto heard was her scream and a crash.

454
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: He thought Fred must have hit her, and that was

455
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: too much for Auto. He wasn't going to stand for it.

456
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: He loved this woman. So he grabbed these two guns

457
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: that he'd had up there, and he came running downstairs,

458
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: ran into the kitchen to see Fred pulling Dolly up

459
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: from the ground. Fred turned their eyes locked, and then

460
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: this rageful husband came and tackled out out of the ground.

461
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: There's this scuffle. Otto was trying to get Fred off

462
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: of him. Dolly was screaming at them both to stop,

463
00:30:53,040 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: and then Fred was dead. Ah, and Otto had a

464
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: whole different story. Experience was very different. Man. Maybe get

465
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: a little information before you pull a trigger on somebody. Well,

466
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 1: you know, you spent ten years in an attic, and

467
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: I feel like your judgments a little off, especially reading. Yeah,

468
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: of course you're just like, obviously he's gonna kill her.

469
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, Okay, now we know the full story. There

470
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: was no murderous ghost. It was just a son deprived

471
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: funk Boddy living in the attic for almost ten years.

472
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: Still super spooky, but now their secret thrilling affair had

473
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: turned murderous. Things would never be the same, and we

474
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: will find out what happens next. Right after this commercial

475
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: break and we're back with these spooky conclusion of the

476
00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: Attic Man. The Attic Man, Dolly really felt like she

477
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: had it all figured out. She had seduced this boy

478
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: into giving up his life for her and having sex

479
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: upwards of eight times a day sometimes. How did she

480
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: convince him how in the world did she do it?

481
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: And as he grew into a young man, he became

482
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: obsessed with her obviously who else where else? Yeah, it's

483
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 1: called being impressionable. It's called grooming. It's not okay, it's

484
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: not cool. In nineteen thirty, The l A Times reported

485
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: that he had grown to love Dolly. Quote as a

486
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: boy loves his mother, I hope not. That is not

487
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: how a boy loves his mother. If you're having sex

488
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: with your mother eight times a day, you're not doing

489
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: other son. Right, Let's let's get it addressed. At one

490
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: time a day. Never make it to eight. Jesus, that's

491
00:32:55,200 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: so dark. But that's a weird quote anyway, May I

492
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: mean I guess that that maybe they're trying to say

493
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: felt very like reliable, reliant on her. He was, Yes, exactly.

494
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: She was as much a motherly figure as she was

495
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: a sexual figure to him. Yeah, yeah, so I get

496
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: that right, right, It's just phrasing, you know, little bit gross?

497
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: Way um And yeah. Fred was argumentative, frequently drunk, completely

498
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: neglected her physical and emotional needs. But he provided a wealthy,

499
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 1: luxurious life, and she could manipulate him easily enough to

500
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: her own ends. So yeah, she's I mean, she's got

501
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: it all figured out for quite some time here doing

502
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 1: pretty everything's coming up Dolly for quite some time, like

503
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 1: a decade, but you know, the bill comes due, and

504
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: now one loud fight, a slip on the rug, and

505
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: a misunderstanding later. Now she's involved with a murder. So

506
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: what's the standard procedure when you're attic dwelling boyfriend murders

507
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: your husband. Obviously you try to cover it up. Who

508
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't all the years of auto reading these crime stories

509
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: and murder cases suddenly became incredibly useful, and for the

510
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: only time in his relationship with Dolly, he started giving orders.

511
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Dolly was shaking and terrified, like this was

512
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: very traumatic for her. Nothing she ever expected to happen.

513
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: But Otto, who you know, has I don't know what's

514
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: wrong with his emotional state, but it can't be super healthy.

515
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 1: So he jumps up and he knows exactly what to do.

516
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 1: Atlas Obscura describes them rigging the scene to make it

517
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: look like a home invasion and a robbery. Otto took

518
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: Fred's diamond watch and they agreed that he would lock

519
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: Dolly in the closet from the outside and then instead

520
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: of running where people might see him leave the house

521
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: or any number of things could happen, Otto just took

522
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: the guns and the watch and the keys to the

523
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: closet and he ran back up and hid in the attic.

524
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: He knew how to hide up there, he knew how

525
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: to stay quiet. So they knew it wouldn't be long

526
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: before the cops showed up, because the neighbors indefinitely heard

527
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: the gunshots, and just to make sure, Dolly started screaming

528
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 1: and screaming until the police showed up. And when they

529
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: got there, she told them the whole story. A burglar,

530
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: broken shot, Fred took some things, locked me in the

531
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: closet before leaving. I mean, it sounded a little strange,

532
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: but they couldn't figure out how Dolly would lock herself

533
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: in a closet, And they were probably like, what happened

534
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: to your accent? You're a German woman, I've really been

535
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: practicing my elocution, jeez, sue me. So anyway, they were

536
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,760
Speaker 1: like fine, whatever. They she was released and the investigation

537
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: did continue. Obviously this is a murder, and stuff was

538
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: off about her story. I mean, the only thing missing

539
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 1: was Fred's diamond watch, his that was still in his pocket,

540
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 1: and it was stuffed with cash. Why didn't they take that?

541
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: Nothing else from the house seemed to be missing. And

542
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: also they determined Fred had been killed by a twenty

543
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: five caliber pistol, which was a small gun that like

544
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: no serious burglar would use. So they were killing. There's

545
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: some ends not really meeting up here, are there? Something's

546
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: wrong or this is the worst burglar who's ever burgled

547
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: a house, which is possible. There's some dumbast criminals. Dolly

548
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: inherited a fortune from Fred and his two booming factories,

549
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: so it was time to move into a new house.

550
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: I mean, now that she was widow, she and Otto

551
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: could finally live a life out in the open together

552
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: in a real home, like a real couple. I mean,

553
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: they could, but they didn't. Instead, they found a house

554
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: with another large attic, and Otto continued to live in

555
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: hiding what She purchased him a typewriter, and he kept

556
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: writing and publishing stories from his attic. It's just like,

557
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't want to come out

558
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 1: of my my crypt. I won't leave my precious spiders,

559
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: my friends or Otto. What's going on with nuts? Right? Seriously,

560
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: it's over a decade locked in an attic, sex all day,

561
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: attic all night. This kid is not normal attic. Meanwhile,

562
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: Dolly gets to work on settling Fred's estate and she

563
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: hired a lawyer named Herman Shapiro, and of course, you

564
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: know Dolly, it wasn't long before they started flirting a little,

565
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: and then eventually they were dating. After some time, things

566
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: were getting pretty serious with old Herman Shapiro, and she

567
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: wanted to give him something nice. So, despite her inherited fortune,

568
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: she was like, how about a hand me down? And

569
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: I want to actually spend Yeah, why spend money when

570
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: I have something perfectly nice right here. So during dinner

571
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: she presented him with a beautiful gold and diamond watch

572
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: and Shapiro immediately recognized this and was like, hey, I'm sorry,

573
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: isn't this your husband's watch from you know, when he

574
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: was murdered and it was stolen, And she, you know,

575
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: the quick thinker that she is, just brushes it off

576
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: and says, oh, I found it under the couch cushions,

577
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: you know, no big deal. I didn't think it was

578
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: worth telling the police about. And Shapira is like, okay,

579
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,800
Speaker 1: fun fact that is where a lot of people like

580
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: to keep their golden diamond watches common commonplace for I

581
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: guess she's like, oh, the robbers must have sat down

582
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 1: and watched some TV before they left, and just it

583
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: fell into the couch. It's a little stamma sausage. I

584
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 1: fell out of his pocket. At any rate, he's got

585
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: this watch now. He feels a little weird about it.

586
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:11,439
Speaker 1: And you know, Dolly, she's not easy to satisfy. Yeah,

587
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: Shapiro is a lawyer. He's working long days, as lawyers

588
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: do sometimes, and then of course Otto is getting caught

589
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: up in his writing. So Dolly's got a little time

590
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: to herself. And you know how she likes to fill

591
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: a little time with herself. She likes to fill a

592
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: little bit of herself. This podcast is ready to explicit. Um.

593
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: So she goes out and finds herself a third lover.

594
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: He was an actor and producer named Roy Clum k

595
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: l U n B. Just because I love that name,

596
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: Clumb Clumb clumba. And so they're dating for a while

597
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: and one day she walks up to him presumably shoves

598
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: her boobs in his face, and he's like, hey, I

599
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: just found this little gun, and you know it's not

600
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: someone to kill my ex husband. But it kind of

601
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: looks like it and I don't want the police to

602
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: get suspicious, so will you get rid of it for me?

603
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: And Roy klem is like boobs and just in not

604
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 1: thinking with his head, well not that well. He took

605
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: the gun to the LaBrea tar pits and tossed it in.

606
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 1: So that was one gun taken care of, and she

607
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: just had one left, so yeah, for that one. She

608
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: went to a neighbor, John Farber, and pulled a similar stunt.

609
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: She probably leaned on a table, you know, really that cleavage.

610
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: He said, Oh, I'm just a city sexy girl and

611
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: I can't believe I have this little gun. I need

612
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: a big man to give me a hat, and then

613
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: helped me get rid of it, you big man. And

614
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: Barbara was like that pretty group, and he buried the

615
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: gun in his yard under his own rose bushes. We're

616
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: not very nice to Roy and John are well. I

617
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 1: will say we should have put this in speculation station

618
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: because we don't know exactly how she convinced them to

619
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 1: do this, but she did convince Roy to throw the

620
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: gun in Lebrea tar pits and John to bury the

621
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: gun in his backyard. And I don't know how else

622
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: she could have convinced them to do that without being

623
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: very flirtatious. I mean maybe it was a bribe. You know, none,

624
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: nothing like that was ever said um as far as

625
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: I could tell. But she got them to do it. Yeah,

626
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: Which if I knew someone whose husband had been shot

627
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: and killed and they came to me with a gun

628
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: and said, would you hide this for me? Like, I'd

629
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: be like, well, that probably makes me an accomplice to murder, right,

630
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: I don't care how nice your boobs are. I'll look

631
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: my fill in late. You've just kidding. I mean, I'm

632
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 1: not saying nobody could convince me. You know, she probably

633
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't go to you. She'd be like, Eli wouldn't have

634
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: a go for this story. Yeah, she'd she'd look for

635
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: the she'd go for the Roys, Roy clumbs, Roy clumb

636
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: pretty dumb. I think that's probably what he said about So, Yeah,

637
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 1: she took care of business al right in her opinion,

638
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure she's like, great, everything dusted off my hands,

639
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 1: Everything's good. But in July, this is eleven months after

640
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,320
Speaker 1: the murder. After Fred's murder, the lead investigator, Detective Herman

641
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: Klein heard a rumor that Dolly's boyfriend was walking around

642
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: with a fancied him and watch what's that about. So

643
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: Klein went to Shapiro and asked him about it, and

644
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: Shapiro basically was like, yeah, I thought that was kind

645
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: of weird. An he turned it over to the cops,

646
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 1: which I'm sure Detective Climb was like, might have should

647
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: have done that when thanks for nothing, herman, I've been

648
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: waiting for eleven months for a break in this case.

649
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: You've been walking around with the evidence on your wrist.

650
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: Stay it up night, aren't you a lawyer for And meanwhile,

651
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: Roy Club had become obsessed with Dolly and was hounding

652
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 1: her to marry him so but when she said no,

653
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: he then asked her for money, and she gave him

654
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: six hundred bucks and she told him to get lost,

655
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 1: and that made him furious, so so pissed that he

656
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: went straight to the newspapers to try to sell them

657
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 1: the story of the gun that she had given him

658
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: to hide. And the newspapers were not particularly interested in

659
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: this story. So then he went to the police. Okay,

660
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: the police don't pay for these tips. Okay, you gotta go,

661
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: you gotta make money first, roy as an entrepreneur. I

662
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: gotta say, though, that six hundred bucks was a pretty

663
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: sweet deal because I'm just punching it into the calculator.

664
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: Here it was, that's almost ten thousand dollars today. Wow. Yeah.

665
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Dolly was rolling in it, so she probably

666
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: could have given him a bit more. But still, I mean,

667
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: if if if I proposed to a girl and she said, no,

668
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: here's ten grand funk off, I'd be like, alright, fine,

669
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: that's sad. I'm sad, but also I can be sad

670
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: for a while without working. Yeah. So, now Detective Klein

671
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 1: had the watch and he had the location of one gun,

672
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: but he would need the location of the other to

673
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: put this whole thing together. So they leaked the sorry

674
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: to the press, and the next day it hit the headlines,

675
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: and sure enough, John Farber, the neighbor, walked right into

676
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: the police station and he said, Hey, I got one

677
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: of those guns. Damn it, John, you idiot buried in

678
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: my yard under a rose bush. So they dug up

679
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: the gun under the rose bushes. Presumably didn't ask John,

680
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: why did you bury a gun that someone asked you

681
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: to hide? It's like you've seen her boobs. They're like,

682
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: we get it. No jury in America would rule against

683
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: you over that. So they got that gun, and they

684
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: managed to fish the other one out of the tar

685
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: pits Clumb, because Roy Clumb, pretty dumb, actually tossed it

686
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: in a very shallow area of the tar pits, so

687
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 1: it was pretty easy for them to find. I'd be like,

688
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: you threw into a tar pit. We're golden, Like I

689
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: shouldn't have worry about a shallow part of a tar pit.

690
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: He found it. Roy found it, so that was enough.

691
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: It was sufficient for an arrest on suspicion of murder.

692
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: Dolly was arrested and went to jail to await trial.

693
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: So her lover, Herman Shapiro, came to visit her. He

694
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: was a civil lawyer and not a criminal lawyer. Should

695
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: point out that he could not help her in this

696
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: case as her attorney, but she had some other favor

697
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: to ask him for. She said, Hey, um, herman, funny story.

698
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: But you know my house well up in the attic

699
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: where you never go. Um, my vagabond half brother is

700
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: living there and he can't take care of himself, so

701
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 1: would you please bring him some food? Pretty please? She battered,

702
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 1: her eyelashes, and Shapiro is like, boy, this keeps getting weird,

703
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna roll with it, okay, And he went

704
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: the grocery store, bought some food and came back to

705
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: the house. And he got there, went to the attic,

706
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: found the pale, ghostly man upstairs. An auto like crawled

707
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: out of the shadows like golem like no shirt in

708
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: a little loine cloud. Big guys that have adapted to

709
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: the dark light. It just has some bones. Fish it

710
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: for me. Anyway. He crouched on like a shelf to

711
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: get a good look at Shapiro, and at first he

712
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: was frightened that he had been caught, obviously, but he

713
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: and Shapiro started talking, and probably because it was the

714
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: first person Otto had talked to and over a decade

715
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: that was not that was not Dolly, he ended up

716
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: spilling the beans about everything. He told Shapiro, all about

717
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,439
Speaker 1: his relationship with Dolly that he'd had now for over

718
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: ten years, living in various addicts and there's sexual escapades

719
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: during the day, and I wonder if herman was ever lying.

720
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: All Right, that's that's enough details, Like eight times, Jesus,

721
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: I trying for two. I mean, I have a job,

722
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: so alright, so someone us have to work for a living.

723
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: I'd be like, how does she not snap you in half?

724
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: Like you get like a third of a meal a day?

725
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: Probably right, I mean jeez, but alright, worked for it

726
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: and eventually, Yeah, he also told him all about the

727
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: murder too, like, come on, auto, a little indiscreet. He

728
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: just forgot how to keep a secret. He never had

729
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: to keep a secret before. I mean literally, the only

730
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: person you talked to his Dolly. She already knew everything.

731
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: She probably never even bothered to tell him. You know,

732
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: don't tell anyone about this, because who's he going to

733
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: talk to? That's true. And Shapiro told Dolly's criminal lawyer,

734
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: whose name was Frank dominic Has, about this man in

735
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: the attic, and Frank had never heard about it from Dolly.

736
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: Obviously she wasn't kind of share that in And dominic

737
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: Has told Shapiro, like any criminal lawyer, get that guy

738
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: the hell out of there. Kidding me, he's gonna blow

739
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: this case a lot open. Nato reluctantly agreed to leave

740
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: because he understood, you know, the implications that it would

741
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: have for Dolly if he were found. Dominic has moved

742
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: for a dismissal, and the judge agreed. The judge was like,

743
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: there's not enough evidence. The pistols had deteriorated to the

744
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: point that they could not really be connected to the

745
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: murder and two rusty guns and like a gold watch

746
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: didn't really tell you know, a full story of a

747
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: premeditated murder anything, and so yeah, Dolly was free to go.

748
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: So Dolly and Shapiro actually stayed together after that. They

749
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: continued dating. But he was, you know, he was he

750
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: put a foot down. He was like, I'm not gonna

751
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: see you if you're continuing to see auto have sex

752
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: eight times a day at this gollum you have upstairs.

753
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. And you know, Dolly was like, okay,

754
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: that that makes sense to me. That's fine, And probably

755
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 1: there's more stability here than there is with my attic creature,

756
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: my sex slave I've been holding onto. But she said,

757
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: if we're gonna break up with Otto, you've got to

758
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: help him get a job, and you've got to make

759
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: sure that he stays safe. And Shapiro, you know, because

760
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: Dolly can talk any man into anything, like what is

761
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: she doing? I need a dose so that he agrees,

762
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 1: so he helped Otto find a job as a janitor

763
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, and shortly after that, apparently Otto moved

764
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: to Canada. Dahalio Strike and Herman Shapiro were a very

765
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: happy couple for the next seven years. Seven more years

766
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: went by without a peep. Hey. He was just like, yeah,

767
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: not forget all about that stuff. And I imagine the

768
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: detective is just like, you know, just rubbing his temples

769
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 1: for seven years straight, like it's all there, It'll makes sense.

770
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: Why can't I finish this case? He has like a

771
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: rookie with him, and he like leans back in a

772
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: dark shadow at a cigarette, like this is this one

773
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: case I could never close. I know it's the Dane,

774
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: but I can never close. Sometimes they just delude you.

775
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: You'll see, You'll see one day when you're on the

776
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: fourth I'm not. But I'm never gonna have a case

777
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: like that. I'm gonna solve all my yes what I

778
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: said until I met Dolly astric So in nineteen thirty,

779
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: Dolly and Herman Shapiro had a pretty bad falling out.

780
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: They had started an automobile loan company together, and Dolly

781
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: was trying to dissolve the corporation take all the money

782
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: for herself, and so herman really only had one option

783
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 1: to retaliate. So he went to the police and filed

784
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: an affidavit telling the story of Dolly's vagabond half brother

785
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: quote unquote, and everything Otto had told him in the

786
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: attic that night. So he spilled it. He's sang like

787
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: a canary, and presumably Detective Kleine, as we said, has

788
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: been chain smoking and like looking over this file over

789
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: and over again trying to figure out how to trap

790
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: this bib and so he was like, finally you're gonna

791
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: bust this case right open. But yeah, she was swiftly arrested,

792
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: and coincidentally, Otto had recently returned to l a and

793
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 1: was working as a janitor in a boarding house and

794
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: had married in Canada and changed his name to Walter Klein.

795
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: I guess I get it. He's like Otto Stan Huber

796
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: lived in an attic, all right, Walter Klein is a

797
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 1: married man, proud janitor who spends his days on the

798
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: first floors of buildings. Thank you very much. So Otto,

799
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, was was found to be local. He was

800
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: arrested as well. Dolly turned herself in on her lawyer's

801
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: advice and was released a fifty dollar bail, but Otto

802
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: was denied bail and his trial was first the papers

803
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: called him the Batman for living up in the attic

804
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: all those years, and must be noted that there was

805
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: no Batman for swaying Batman yet, so this was pre Batman.

806
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: This was a different kind of original Batman. They were

807
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: literally like he's living like a bat in an attic,

808
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: not like he's a dope billionaire with a secret identity.

809
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: So Auto's trial was going on, and Shapiro actually didn't

810
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: show up when he was called to testify against Otto.

811
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: But Ray Clumb, sure did. Ray Clumb not dumb. Not

812
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: this time. Otto's attorney. He tried to make a case

813
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: that Clumb was actually the one who murdered Fred, but

814
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: that landed like a box of rocks, and nobody bought it.

815
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: Otto's attorney does not sound like it's just it's like

816
00:53:55,560 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: a Clumb, a real Clumb. He's the club fan only attorney.

817
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: It's really that he's just turning around in the courtroom.

818
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: Maybe that guy killed him, maybe that lady killed him.

819
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: That's the judge. Where were you on the night of

820
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: the murder? Judge maybe I killed him. We don't know,

821
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: we don't know who good know, what are we all doing?

822
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: Case dismissed. Let's go home, So nobody's buying the claim

823
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: that Clumb killed Fred. Otto claimed that he had been

824
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: locked in the attic the time that he heard the

825
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,879
Speaker 1: gunshots the night Fred was killed. He said it must

826
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: have been Shapiro who murdered Fred. Another baseless claim from nowhere.

827
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 1: Otto's lawyer made the case that Dolly kept Otto locked

828
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: away in the attic as a sex slave and that

829
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: he was her prisoner. Is probably the closest to accurate

830
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: that he's been so far in this case. A right,

831
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: But on the stand, Atto ended up admitting to owning

832
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: two guns, which she had previously denied in a testimony,

833
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,239
Speaker 1: So that wasn't making a lot of sense. His story

834
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: was kind of full of holes, just like Fred. Fred,

835
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,720
Speaker 1: Sorry Fred. At any rate, this story was full of holes.

836
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:19,959
Speaker 1: And when it finally went to the jury, they found

837
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: Otto guilty of manslaughter on July one. Well, his lawyer

838
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: remembered his his first two weeks in law school was like,

839
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,800
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I got something for this, and he

840
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: points out that hey, in California, the statute of limitations

841
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: on manslaughter is seven years. And guess what, everybody, it's

842
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 1: been eight years. So if he's guilty of manslaughter, then

843
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 1: he's free to go. And the judges like, you're right.

844
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: So sure enough, Atto was free to go, and his

845
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: wife had stuck by his side to the whole trial.

846
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 1: She said, no matter what happened, she was going to

847
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 1: stay with him. And no one really knows what happened

848
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 1: to Otto after this. It's presumed that he moved back

849
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: to Canada with his wife and they lived happily ever after.

850
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: M So just goes to show you, folks, if you

851
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: murder someone and you wait long enough, just run out

852
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: the clock there. Yeah, you're good to go. Well, Dolly's

853
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: case was next, and the defense tried to get the

854
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: jury trial thrown out because Otto was already convicted of manslaughter,

855
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: so that should kind of absolve Dolly too. I mean,

856
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 1: clearly there was no premeditation, so and they said he

857
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: did it right, But the judge sided with the prosecution

858
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: to have no reference to the other trial given to

859
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: the prospective jurors, so they were not allowed to kind

860
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: of take that into consideration, pretend that didn't happen. Yeah,

861
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: that's so weird. So the trial went ahead, and while

862
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: her jury in two had been made up of twelve men,

863
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:03,359
Speaker 1: this Jerry was six men and six women. He looked

864
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: at that nice quality. Here we go. Seems the women's

865
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: suffrage movement had an impact on the court. Hey, you know,

866
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: welly got some of her peers there, there you go,

867
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: and she got real nervous because she's like, these bitches

868
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: will not like me. Dolly slept with most of their

869
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,160
Speaker 1: Where are those twelve men at um? It's like I

870
00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: can win over twelve men, and I have many times

871
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: in the same day at times. Dolly's lawyer was Jerry Geisler,

872
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: who after this case would go on to represent and

873
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: get acquitted tons of Hollywood big shots, and Jerry was

874
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: good at his job. The witnesses were largely the same

875
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: from Auto's trial, with largely the same story, including Otto himself,

876
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: who was brought in by the prosecution as a witness. Yeah.

877
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: They were like, well, if she kept you as a

878
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: sex slave all these years, then you can come testify

879
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: for us. And the prosecution tried to argue that Dolly

880
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: brought the second gun in and she also shot Fred,

881
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: But it was kind of flimsy didn't really hold up

882
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: to the testimonies. Most of the witnesses were testifying to

883
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: Dolly's character, all about her affairs and her obvious disdain

884
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: for Fred. A lot of people coming in and say,

885
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, Dolly has lots of sex, Dolly has lots

886
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: of affairs, Dolly didn't care about Fred, you know, really

887
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:30,560
Speaker 1: just going after her character here. But in the end,

888
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:34,560
Speaker 1: her lawyer, Jerry, argued that they weren't trying to say

889
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: that this was a good woman. He said, quote, we

890
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: ask for no sympathy. Her own actions have condemned her

891
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 1: as an un moral woman whose sins will bring their

892
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: own punishment in time. But regardless she may have violated

893
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: the moral law, she cannot be convicted of murder on

894
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 1: that count, right, I mean, yeah, she can sleep with

895
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 1: whoever she wants. It doesn't make her a murderer. So,

896
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:02,920
Speaker 1: with one thing and another, that jury was hung just

897
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: the way Dolly liked it. This podcast is ready to exploion,

898
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: And after several days of votes and deliberations, they could

899
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: not get past attend to to vote for conviction. And

900
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: actually all six women voted against her, which again not surprised.

901
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: I'm like she's straight up was like, they're going to

902
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: see their own seventeen year old son probably living in

903
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 1: my freaking attict in their head, and be like, oh hell,

904
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: now this bitch to jail. That makes sense. Um. The

905
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: judge was forced to declare a mistrial and the charges

906
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: were dropped. Dolly was free and clear, and she remained

907
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. She found herself a new boyfriend. Probably

908
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: wasn't difficult. This boyfriend ended up being her business manager

909
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: as well, and they stayed together for the next thirty

910
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 1: years and two weeks before she died at the age

911
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 1: of seventy five. She married him and he inherited her

912
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: entire fortune. Oh not bad business manager. I know. I

913
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: couldn't find anything about him, but he's really the one

914
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: that came out on top here. Like he was like,

915
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: I wasn't even married for thirty years, but I still

916
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: got married and freaking got a fortune. Pretty good. Yeah,

917
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: I mean, this is nuts. You know. You might have

918
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 1: seen Yeah, you might have seen this story. There's an

919
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: sixty eight movie called The Bliss of Mrs Blossom, and

920
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: it was like a more comedic take on the events.

921
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: It was starring Shirley McLean as as Dolly and then

922
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: in a young Neil Patrick Harris, fresh off of Doogie

923
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: Howser m D, played Auto in a film called The

924
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: Man in the Attic. Oh, you might have seen that.

925
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: I have not seen that. I was pretty new to

926
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: this story, so I haven't seen either of those things. Yeah,

927
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: I've never heard of this until James W sent Yeah, so,

928
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: but I was definitely, you know, initially creeped out. You

929
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 1: think about this, That's the thing why this one ended

930
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: up being a recruptulous romance, because you think about Fred's

931
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: experience and how terrifying, like you're literally he literally was

932
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: seeing shadows passed in front of his door in the

933
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: middle of the night and get up and look around

934
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: his whole house thinking there's something in there with him

935
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: and finding nothing, like the doors are still locked. I mean,

936
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: to look up and see a ghostly figure in your

937
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: attic window is like a horror trope for a reason

938
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: that is horrifying, horrifying, Thank you, and again a night

939
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: My nightmare, my legit nightmare, is that this will happen

940
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: to me one day and you'll reveal your secret living

941
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 1: girlfriend who will shoot me three times in the back.

942
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, I would never let one of

943
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: my secret girlfriends live here? Are you kidding me? I

944
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: need some me time. First of all, both of us

945
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: are always in this house. Yeah, there's no. Second of all,

946
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: if you ever leave the house for twenty minutes, it's

947
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: that I've finally just a time of my life all

948
01:01:55,840 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 1: alone with nothing. Yeah. Great, perfect, Well then we're both happy.

949
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 1: We're both so happy to gather perfect marriage. Oh man. Yeah. Yeah.

950
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,920
Speaker 1: But there was a lot in this story with the

951
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: legal system and grooming very gross. Have to feel it's

952
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 1: a little odd to be kind of like glad that

953
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 1: Auto sort of got off somewhat from this whole thing,

954
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: because it was definitely not It's definitely an accident. I mean,

955
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,479
Speaker 1: he did not know what was going on. I feel

956
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 1: real bad for Fred because he was straight up made

957
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: to feel crazy for many years of his life. Yeah,

958
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: before getting murdered by the ghost he thought was in

959
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: his house. Right, So his last thought is like, I

960
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: knew it, I knew it, And yeah, like you said,

961
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: I I feel bad for Auto because he was molded

962
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: into this situation. The worst thing he did was pick

963
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: up two guns. He never should have gone down there

964
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 1: armed because when you pick up two guns you mean

965
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: to shoot them, right, That's that's a rule of gun

966
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,600
Speaker 1: safety too. If you have a gun in your hand,

967
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: your intention is to shoot it, So don't do that

968
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,280
Speaker 1: if someone could get killed. I understand that he thought

969
01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: that she was in trouble, um, right, and he was

970
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: like thin and small and weak, so he was like,

971
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: this is my only way of overpowering this guy. Rightly.

972
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 1: But but you know, look what happened. You know, he

973
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 1: ended up killing someone that he didn't need to kill. Um.

974
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: And that's that's the trick there. So and for that,

975
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: you know that happens and you have there's consequences for it. Um.

976
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: But the real, the real, it's really Dolly is the

977
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:52,880
Speaker 1: only one, like I don't know, just doing whatever she

978
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: wants to these dudes, like and totally willing to pull

979
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:01,200
Speaker 1: in these random neighbors in stuff to be like go

980
01:04:01,360 --> 01:04:05,240
Speaker 1: get rid of this one, and just so willing to

981
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: a lot of people into your own mess. So nuts,

982
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: Oh Dolly, Oh Dolly, your mess, Dolly, goodbye Dolly. So

983
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 1: the moral of the story, don't trust a beautiful woman.

984
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: I trust lots of beautiful well of the story. If

985
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 1: you hear something in your addict, go check it yourself. Yeah,

986
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:34,040
Speaker 1: that too, that's true. All of the story is hopefully

987
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: you don't meet anyone like any of these people of

988
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 1: the story. Yes, And also yeah, if someone hands you

989
01:04:42,040 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: a gun and says, will you please get rid of

990
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: this for me, you say, absolutely not, don't do it.

991
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: Just stay the hell out of that situation. I mean,

992
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, we could we could go into the

993
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 1: psychology of it. She grew up, you know, as a

994
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: very young girl in a factory full of grown men,

995
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: you know, probably a young men two for certain, I

996
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: mean there was kids of all, right, but but she's

997
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: certainly getting the attention of men at that factory from

998
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: a very young age. She was taught, your prettiness is

999
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 1: an asset to you and something, and sexuality is your strongest,

1000
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, defense in the world, and an offense like

1001
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 1: this is your tool. Very true. So, you know, uh,

1002
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: maybe no surprise that she grew up, you know, and

1003
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: the way that she did, I don't know, speculation station,

1004
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 1: speculation station. And yeah, she clearly really enjoyed sex, so

1005
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: that was like her number one motivation for things. Um,

1006
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, if you make a lot of rational

1007
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: decisions when you have one motivation for everything you do. Yeah,

1008
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 1: so yeah, I don't know what lott whatt A lot

1009
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: of crazy folks in this one. Yeah, weird decisions. If

1010
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: you're primarily motivated by sex, you know, reach out to us.

1011
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:05,160
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1012
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: you've gotten your attic? Hey, yeah, I'd love to know

1013
01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,040
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1014
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1015
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