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Speaker 1: into her room. What does he do? Lock the door,

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Speaker 1: barricade the door. He sees her lying there in the bed.

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Speaker 1: She can probably at least move her eyeballs toward the

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Speaker 1: movement and look at him. Instead of taking care of her,

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Speaker 1: he drops his trousers, and this poor lady is just

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Speaker 1: lying there. M Now, let's just hold that thought. What

430
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: if this was your daughter, Nancy. You've equated her to

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Speaker 1: a young, young, young child, an infant, a toddler, and

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Speaker 1: that's exactly the right thing to equate her too. It

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Speaker 1: is no different than if someone raped your infant, your toddler,

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Speaker 1: because they can feel everything, but they can't fight back,

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00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: they can't defend. They're helpless. This kerb needs to go

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Speaker 1: away and never get out. The Other thing I want

437
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Speaker 1: to say, Nancy, is I know you said you know.

438
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine him locking the door, barricading the door,

439
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: not necessarily. If he's brazen enough to do this, I

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00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: think he's also brazen enough to wander stroll into the

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Speaker 1: room and not really be too concerned with anyone catching

442
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: him because he thought he could get away with it

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Speaker 1: in the first place. To John Limley, Crime online dot

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Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter John in the last hours, the alleged perp,

445
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Speaker 1: Nathan Sutherland, a thirty six year old male nurse, has

446
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 1: been charged with raping this twenty nine year old woman

447
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 1: at hassiena healthcare facility there in Phoenix. What happened, It's

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00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 1: my understanding. He refused to speak, He invoked his Fifth

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00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: Amendment rights to cops, and then he refused to enter

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Speaker 1: a plee in front of the judge. What happened start

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Speaker 1: at the beginning. Yeah, it was baffling. His lawyer said

452
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Speaker 1: there was no proof that he did this right in

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Speaker 1: the face of the DNA evidence. The defendant again, Nathan

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Speaker 1: Sutherland has worked at Hacienda for eight years. State records

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Speaker 1: show that he first became a clinical nursing assistant in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and five, before becoming an LPN a Licensed

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Speaker 1: Practitioner nurse and here's the show's stopping information about him.

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Speaker 1: He is a thirty six year old Haitian native and

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Speaker 1: describes himself as a devout Christian who regularly tours churches

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Speaker 1: performing Christian rap songs with his sister m One of

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Speaker 1: those skills would come in handy behind bars. Guys, I

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Speaker 1: They're still yeah, they're still trying to do compressions and

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Speaker 1: their suctioning the baby. Okay, good, good, you guys are

484
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Speaker 1: doing a great job. We've got to help on the way. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, thank you, do you worry? Just hang up

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Speaker 1: with you, and then I want to see ow they're doing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and I need you to give me the address. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's get the vital machine. I'll vityl the mom. She

489
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Speaker 1: had a baby. Look at there's a baby right there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: there's build doing confessions on the baby right yeah. And

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Speaker 1: mom's doing fine, God, was doing fine. She is. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna about to take some vitals on her. We're so first,

493
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Speaker 1: she looks stable. What is your name? Him? My name

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Speaker 1: is I'm the nurse. Hold give me one second, let

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Speaker 1: me she'll be something I can go take a look

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Speaker 1: at her chart and give you a r exactly. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Someone's gonna go give me the chart. Wow, oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: you are hearing the nine one one call that we

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Speaker 1: obtained a play for you. Sounds like nobody knows their

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Speaker 1: uh rear in from a hole in the ground at

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Speaker 1: hasse and to healthcare. Uh, nobody knows how old she is.

502
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 1: Nobody has any information. Hey, they didn't even know she

503
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: was nine months pregnant until the baby was born in

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00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: that state's exhibit number one. Brian Claypool, California defense attorney.

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Speaker 1: Nobody can say this didn't happen knowing the victim can't

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Speaker 1: say anything back because the baby who lived by the

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00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: way and is doing well. Just bring that little talk

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Speaker 1: into the courtroom, Brian Claypool. What's the defense that Trinty

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Speaker 1: going to say to that? And forget the DNA? He

510
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: probably looks just like the dad. Yeah, I know the

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Speaker 1: DNA evidence doesn't look good, but you're one good. It's

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Speaker 1: probably one and about forty five trillion. And I'm not

513
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: even making that up what you just heard in the background.

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Speaker 1: We have a guest in the studio today and he

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00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: started laughing so hard he actually snorted hold of snorts down. Okay,

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00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: so doesn't look good. You know the statistics in DNA science,

517
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Speaker 1: it literally is probably about one and a couple of

518
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: trillion that it's anybody else other than this guy. Doesn't

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00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: look good. I realized that. But what you have to

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00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: do is you've got to look at a couple of things. Okay,

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Speaker 1: what's the DNA trustings done properly? Is there any any

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00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: anything toxic about the DNA evidence. You've got to look

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00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: at the history of this nurse. He had eight years.

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Speaker 1: He has an uncheckered history, no prior for reports of

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00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: sexual assault. Neither does Scott Peterson. Yeah, while I'm saying

526
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Speaker 1: is you can't rush to judgment. We've got to look

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Speaker 1: to make sure the evidence was safeguarded. You know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that Johnny Cochrane would appreciate you stealing

529
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Speaker 1: his line on this one anyway, But I respect you,

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Speaker 1: Brian Claypool for actually saying that with a straight face,

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Speaker 1: or at least it sounds like a straight face. John Limley,

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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, did I just hear

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Speaker 1: you say he is a Christian rapper? That's a yes

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Speaker 1: no answer. John Limley, a Christian rapper. Yes, indeed, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly correct. I said yes or no. Okay. I want

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Speaker 1: everybody to enjoy the next thirty four seconds because we

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Speaker 1: have managed to obtain sound from a stage appearance by

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Speaker 1: the accused Nathan Sutherland. Stop allowing what your situation dictate

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Speaker 1: who you are in life. Just because your mom and

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00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: dad aren't together. Uh yeah, it makes a big difference.

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Speaker 1: It does make a big difference. But do not use

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Speaker 1: that as an excuse. You have your own mind, Jesus.

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00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 1: Jesus gave your own mind to you, your your your

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Speaker 1: your spirit. You have instructions. It's up to you, who

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00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: you know um to decide which way you wanna go

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00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: and stuff. Oh I am so happy. I'm so happy

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00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: that Nathan Sutherland has actually spoken publicly here. He's talking

548
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Speaker 1: about to the audience about how to rise above negative circumstances.

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Speaker 1: Don't blame others, don't use them as an excuse for

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Speaker 1: your surroundings or your situation. You know that will certainly

551
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: come in Handy Wendy Patrick when he ends up behind

552
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: bars on this, because there's not gonna be no denying.

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00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: That is his baby that's right, Nancy, And it's funny

554
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: we're already talking about sentencing because you're right, with a

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00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: DNA mash really know where to go with that except

556
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: to have some kind of circumstances you can argue in

557
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 1: mitigation post conviction, whether it's conviction by plea or conviction

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00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: after a jury trial. But countering that also is the

559
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: fact that you don't get much vulnerable then the position

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00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: that this victim was in. And you also don't have

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Speaker 1: the kind of really control over the patients as you

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00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: do when you're a nurse, you see them even more

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Speaker 1: often than the doctors do. So these are sort of

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Speaker 1: the two competing areas that they're going to hash out.

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Speaker 1: Somebody like Brian and I would be arguing opposing side

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Speaker 1: of this and sentencing because that appears to be where

567
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: this case is heading already, we're talking about what are

568
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Speaker 1: they going to argue? You know what, Hey, daven put

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Speaker 1: it out there because I don't want the defense attorney

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Speaker 1: to hear this. But Ashley Walcott, judge and lawyer, as

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00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: you well know, when you prepare your case, you also

572
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: have to do a parallel preparation to anticipate what the

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Speaker 1: other sides are going to say, so you can just

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Speaker 1: shoot it down and be ready for it. Don't be surprised, Cord.

575
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: So where can they go? Let's think it through. The

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00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: DNA's got him. You know, he's caught red handed. But

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Speaker 1: could he claim he was in love, that they had

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Speaker 1: a relationship. I mean, there's nowhere else for him to go, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: there's nowhere else to go with a DNA match. Well,

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Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think he can say he's

581
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Speaker 1: in love. But Nancy, I hate to take this one

582
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Speaker 1: step further. What if he tries to say consent based

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Speaker 1: on the look in her eye, the look she was

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Speaker 1: giving him. I think a creative defense attorney's going to

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Speaker 1: go there, although it makes me want to throw up

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00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: because she could not consent. Well, yeah, that's what I'm

587
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: saying about being in love, you know, straw Cross lover

588
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: ors blah blah blah. I mean it's ridiculous, it's horrific

589
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: and disgusting and not true. Because this woman can't even speak.

590
00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: She has constant seizures. According to her family, she's age aplegic.

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00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: Some people that within Hacienda Healthcare had described her as

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Speaker 1: being in a coma or in a vegetative state. So,

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Speaker 1: Brian Claypool, you're the defense lawyer. I'm at I'm glad

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Speaker 1: you're the defense lawyer like me, not me, because I

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Speaker 1: sure wouldn't want to have to defend this case for

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Speaker 1: a living. Um, I think I'd have to go back

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00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,919
Speaker 1: to waiting tables and making sandwiches at the sub stot

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00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: where I used to work. But that aside, where else

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00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: can they go? Brian Claypool, Well, I think I think

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Speaker 1: that that is the argument that it's possible. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to look deeply into the medical records of the victim.

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Speaker 1: You're going to have to closely look at her comprehension level, whether,

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Speaker 1: for example, is she able to nod her head? Is

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Speaker 1: she able to understand if somebody says something like, you know,

605
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Speaker 1: would you like to do this? Does she not her head? Yes?

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Speaker 1: He is his defense lawyer gonna say they were able

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00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: to communicate in other means and her body language her

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00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: not have a head constitutes consent. So I think that's

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Speaker 1: where his defense layer is going to go to. Stephen Lampley,

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Speaker 1: Ace detective joining us. Stephen Lampley, what about the possibility

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Speaker 1: of other victims? Well, that's that's very possible Mansie, as

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Speaker 1: well as herself being a victim more than once. I

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Speaker 1: don't know where the investigation is in that, but it's

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Speaker 1: very possible that not only could he have had relations

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Speaker 1: with her, not relations. It's right, let's be clear on that,

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Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, hold on, I want you to hear something

617
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: from John Limley about this guy. What more do we know?

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Speaker 1: And factor that in your opinion, Stephen. John go ahead.

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Speaker 1: A former neighbor, describes the nurse Nathan Sutherland as a

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Speaker 1: quiet family man. She would run into him a few

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Speaker 1: times a week, they would have a chat. She would

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Speaker 1: see that the couple leave for church every Sunday, not

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Speaker 1: only the couple but also their kids as well. Very interestingly,

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Speaker 1: it has emerged that just three weeks before the woman

625
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Speaker 1: he is now accused of raping gave birth, the wife

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Speaker 1: of Hacienda Healthcare nurse Nathan Sutherland filed for divorce after

627
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Speaker 1: six years of marriage. Wow, I'd like to get a

628
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: look at those divorce filings for right now, we know

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Speaker 1: that Nathan Sutherland has refused to enter a play before

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Speaker 1: a judge. When that happens, the court automatically and is

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Speaker 1: a not guilty, play for you. We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Constory signing off goodbye friend,