1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Oooh. This classic episode is one that was a lot 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: of fun for all of us because this was during 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: the heyday of Alex Jones, right before the man crashed 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and burned, and he came out with a claim that 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: when viral, saying that people were purposely turning frogs gay, 6 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: and that sounds ridiculous and it sounds like total bunk. 7 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: So we had to look into it, and what we 8 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: found was surprising. 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you're going to get some fun Alex 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: Jones impersonations at some point in this episode. God help 11 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: us if we didn't take that opportunity. 12 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 3: I have a good feeling about it. So here's this 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 3: episode from May twenty eighteen. 14 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 4: From UFOs to Psychic Powers and government conspiracies. History is 15 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 4: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 16 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 4: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 18 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 3: my name is Noah. 19 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super 20 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: producer Paul Decktt. And most importantly, you're here. You are 21 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: you that makes this stuff they don't want you to know? Folks, Today, 22 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: I vote we start this show with a very short 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: clip that some longtime listeners may recognize it's one of 24 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: my favorite clips. 25 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 3: Prepare yourself for the next twelve seconds. 26 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 5: The frogs, the male frogs think they're females. Now, that's 27 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 5: don it. When I say that about a frog, I'm 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 5: not bashing the gay frog. But the chemical got in 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 5: the water. 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: In the excerpt you just heard, YouTuber and radio host 31 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: Alex Jones is saying that chemicals found in water are 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: turning frogs in his words, gay. 33 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. It's It's refreshing and maybe a little surprising to 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: hear that Joe took these great pains just to let 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 3: you the listener know that he has nothing against gay 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,359 Speaker 3: frogs or gay humans to that matter. And you can 37 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: listen to the entire let's call it a presentation on 38 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: this matter via YouTube. There are clips all over the place, 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 3: some official Alex Jones channel clips you can find, as 40 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 3: well as clips other people have put on there. 41 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: And this idea was popularized by Jones years ago. Some 42 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 1: of you have written into us asking what the deal 43 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: is about this over the years, and the reason it 44 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: stays in the public mind is because since this idea 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: was popularized by Alex Jones, it became sort of a meme, 46 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: and the crux of the argument that Jones makes does 47 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: not stop at frogs. We just wanted to play We 48 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: just wanted to play one of the thesis clips here. 49 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets into the gay bomb itself that we've 50 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: discussed before on this show. 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: Which was a real plan and it was more like 52 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: a sexual assault bomb in the nuts and bolts of 53 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: how they thought it would work. But he sees the 54 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: frogs as one of the first signs that the government, 55 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,679 Speaker 1: whether acting in concert with other forces or just unilaterally, 56 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 1: is attempting to increase levels of homosexuality or the ratio 57 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: of a homosexuality in the human population through a widespread 58 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: dispersal of chemicals, particularly in the water. 59 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: Sure, why not? Why wouldn't the government be doing that? 60 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Right? Because you know, they're on top of everything else, 61 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: so they've got so much free time. You know, it's 62 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: just really they just have to worry about the fourth 63 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: of July and tax Day. 64 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: That's it. 65 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: So for a lot of people, this is a wait 66 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: what question, And today we are hoping to discover whether 67 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: there is any truth to what might seem initially an 68 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: insane story straight out of ten. 69 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: Foylton Tin Foylton Tin Foilton. 70 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: Is that like the Whoville? 71 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: Yes, it's the you know, I think the four of 72 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: us are going to have to have to learn more 73 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: about Tim Foilton. 74 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. 75 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: Maybe we'll visit one day. 76 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,799 Speaker 3: Yeah. For now, let's get right into the person Alex Jones. 77 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: Let's get a little backstory here. 78 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: The person Alex Jones. 79 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: Yes, person as we know, can be used to describe 80 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 3: a number of things, especially when you get into corporations 81 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: or media personalities. There are all kinds of things here, 82 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 3: So Alex Jones. If you're a fan of this show, 83 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: you are most likely aware of this man. He's the 84 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 3: creator of the website info Wars, and he's been the 85 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 3: host of this long running radio show called The Alex 86 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 3: Jones Show, and over the years he has discussed just 87 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 3: a whole host almost all of the rumors in fringe 88 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: theories that have ever existed. 89 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 90 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: He's also been involved in a number of controversies, from 91 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: accusing the US government of perpetrating the Oklahoma City bombing, 92 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: the September eleventh attacks in the US, faking the moon 93 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: landings more. And he describes himself as a paleo conservative, 94 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: a libertarian, and a lot of his stories to the 95 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: general audience which seem to come from a more right 96 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: wing perspective. He has been called a conspiracy theorist by 97 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: outfits like the Southern Poverty Law Center in New York Magazine, 98 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: and he didn't seem to totally embrace this, but he 99 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 1: did take it as a source of pride. His response was, 100 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, I'm proud to be considered a thought criminal 101 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: in the fight against Big Brother. I love the phrase 102 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: thought criminal. Yeah, it's taking that George Orwell vibe and 103 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: counting with it. 104 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 6: He's a man, he's got a heart, he's pumping bloody. 105 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: You've gotta face hellos. 106 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 2: Well in that's my favorite. 107 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: In a strange way, he's got I don't know, just 108 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: that that thing that you're doing right here, the impersonation. 109 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 3: There's a certain I don't know, it's not respectability, but 110 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: it's a cachet or something that is very attractive of this, 111 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 3: Like this man standing up in the world of lies, 112 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 3: telling the truth is going to take it active defiance, 113 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: and you know, I'm. 114 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: Mad as hell. Yeah I can take it anymore. 115 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: Do you guys, do you remember the first time you 116 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: ever saw Alex Jones. It's it's sort of like easy 117 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,239 Speaker 2: to forget. He was in that Richard link Ladder movie 118 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: Waking Life that was all of the like, you know, 119 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: rotoscope kind of dreamy look to it, and he's like 120 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 2: a ranting, red faced, crazy guy in the back of 121 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: a cab. 122 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: I want to say, they're taking a ride car that. 123 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: I loved Waking Life, and I that was not the 124 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: first time I saw Alex. 125 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 2: For me, I guess I think that was before he 126 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 2: was really really entrenched in like the public, in the mainstream. 127 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: I think he was maybe more uh localized, like he 128 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: was an Austin probably and link an Austin guy. Okay, yeah, 129 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: so he was. He was a super popular radio show 130 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: host in Austin. And I remember seeing Waking Life for 131 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: circumstances I won't get into on the air. I was 132 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: I was confused, you know, I was into it, but 133 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking, do I recognize that guy? 134 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 135 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: Who is that? Sounds familiar? 136 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: Are you? Are you sure that's not a certain comedian 137 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: named Bill Hicks? 138 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: And that's the story for the other day. 139 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: So throughout the nineteen nineties and the two thousands, Jones 140 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: expanded his work and polished his voice, or should we 141 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: say whittled it, yes, focusing on more things. He embraced 142 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: the Internet through sites like Prism Planet, the aforementioned info Wars. 143 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: Prism Planet is the more I say, I would say, 144 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: the the edgier, a little more out there version. And 145 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: he when to protest for political causes he believed in. 146 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: He ran for local office and weighed in as a 147 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: political pundit and more. The list of his views, as 148 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: Matt said, is extensive. He has been doing this for 149 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: a long time. And you know what I'm gonna say, 150 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: since you brought up Waking Life, I really liked his segment. 151 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: What's I'm saying? It was also before he was such 152 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: a divisive figure, and I have a feeling that link 153 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: Ladder probably saw him more as an interesting sort of 154 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: almost like almost more of like a Joe Rogany type 155 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 2: where he's maybe a little problematic in his views, but 156 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 2: he's just kind of espousing some like existential crisises that 157 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 2: we all you know, are faced with. 158 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, count he provides a counterpoint to a lot of 159 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: mainstream views. 160 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: Yes, sure, which is important in any discourse, right, but. 161 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: Over time, Yeah, he doub really went hard and the 162 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 2: paint right. 163 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: And now we can see looking back through his catalog 164 00:08:55,120 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: of statements, writings, and performances, we can see larger recurring themes. 165 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: The primary theme for Alex Jones is this idea of 166 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: overarching government control, the goal being a new world order, 167 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 1: and the new World Order, the quick and dirty version 168 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: is the governments and large companies, industries, maybe dynastic families 169 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: like the Rothschild's or something our working in concert in 170 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: secret to manufacture economic disasters, to make constant surveillance normal, 171 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: and in Alex Jones's opinion, most importantly, to perpetrate false 172 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: flag attacks or inside jobs and create a culture of 173 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: fear so that they can exploit everyone who's on the 174 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: outside of the inner. 175 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: Circle and Dalyx Jones. That includes everything from nine to eleven, 176 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: the nine to eleven attacks to the Sandy Hook School shooting, 177 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: all supposedly with the intent of turning public opinion in 178 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 2: a way that is helpful to the nefarious aims. Have 179 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 2: said new World Order beneficial, and. 180 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: Just to try and be fair to Alex Jones, he 181 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: does take it back to things like the Pearl Harbor attacks, 182 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: saying that you know, something like that causes the public 183 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 3: to be more pro war, sure, and you know he 184 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 3: I want to say, he tries to connect make those 185 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: connections that we tried to do on the show as well. 186 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: It's just it becomes a completely different flavor when Alex 187 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 3: Jones starts going down the rabbit holes. 188 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: Well that's so, that's part of it. Right. We know 189 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: at basis that governments do leverage public fear and concern 190 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: quite well. And we know that governments have, at least 191 00:10:40,679 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: the US government has partnered with pr firms in the 192 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: past to encourage a fear of marijuana, for instance, based 193 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: on a violently racist ad campaign. Right, yeah, and you 194 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: can check out an earlier episode about that. I believe 195 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: we have one. I can't remember. 196 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: There's definitely a great on it. 197 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: For reasons we won't go into on a family show, 198 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: my memories, not a million percent, Yeah, for reasons. 199 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, are you testing that government marijuana like a once 200 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 2: a year a year once a. 201 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: I cannot recall. Isn't that what I would be supposed 202 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: to say? Artists? 203 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. 204 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: So now we know a little bit about how it 205 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: got started. 206 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 2: Who is he? 207 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: In twenty seventeen, his ex wife sought custody of their 208 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: children either joint custody or soul custody because she saw 209 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: Jones's behavior as unstable. They divorced in twenty fifteen, and 210 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 1: particularly she pointed out she was disturbed by what she 211 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: saw is him threatening Congressman Adam Schiff. Jones's lawyer claimed 212 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: that Alex Jones was quote playing a character and described 213 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: him as a quote performance artist, and this goes into 214 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: the question of authenticity. Jones, for his part, denied this, 215 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: and he called his show. 216 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:11,119 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, he said, is the most the most bonified, hardcore, 217 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 6: real mccaugh thing there is. 218 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: And then he pounded his fist on the table. 219 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: He said, Jones, or is it macho man Randy Savage? 220 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: That was the macho man? Madde Frederick so So. 221 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 3: And this whole ordeal, this trial gained enough national attention 222 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 3: that even Stephen Colbert went on his his new show 223 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 3: and had a whole segment on this. He played a 224 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 3: clip with Alex Jones, like doing a full on Alex Jones. 225 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: Can we hear it? Okay, this is just too good. 226 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 2: It's a nice little cut up. 227 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: You guys know who he is. 228 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 7: You know, Alex Jones says Emplo wars right popular Trump's 229 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 7: a big fan. Donald Trump is a big fan, and 230 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 7: Jones right now is an illegal battle with his ex wife, 231 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 7: who says he's too unstable to have custody of their children. 232 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 7: And to prove it, she's been showing the court videos 233 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 7: like this. 234 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 5: George Washington with diarya running out of his pants on 235 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 5: top of that horse, margin to kick ass, march it, 236 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 5: not to give up, take an action. 237 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 6: That's who we come from. Who we let all these 238 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 6: hunchbacks scum rule us. I will never submit to you, 239 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 6: and the human spirit is rising. You will not turn 240 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 6: us into animals. 241 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 7: But Jones's lawyers are defending him a very unique defense. 242 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,959 Speaker 7: They're saying that when he says stuff like that, they 243 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 7: said that Jones is. 244 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: Just playing a character. And here we kind of see 245 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 2: Alex Jones sort of turning a corner, you know, going 246 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: from his whole bona fide hardcore line to well, you know, 247 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert can go home to his kids. He doesn't 248 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: take it home. He's playing a character. He's sort of 249 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: implying it, I too, am playing a character. 250 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 3: Specifically Jones, Yeah, exactly, specifically Stephen Colbert from The Stephen 251 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 3: Colbert Show. 252 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: Right. But he's also even referring to like he said, 253 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 2: he was specifically referring to Stephen Colbert making fun of 254 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: him and playing that character. So this even more meta 255 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: and weird. 256 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, he says, he's. 257 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 2: Saying a guy playing me cannot take that home to 258 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 2: his kids. So therefore I can. 259 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: See it's similar to the Glenn Beck impression that John 260 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: Stewart would do for a number of years. Right, these 261 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: people playing larger versions of themselves, playing satirical versions of 262 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: people who play larger versions and them cells. Yep, the 263 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: u Burrows continues. 264 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: And over the years of this character or this man 265 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: where whatever it is it has caused, he has caused 266 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 3: a lot of outcry. 267 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 2: I'm okay with it. 268 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: Well, whatever Alex Shones is sure, Alex Shones. 269 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: The whatever he chooses to identify as. 270 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: Yes, has has caused a lot of outcry, And we're 271 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 3: going to get into that right after a quick word 272 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 3: from our sponsor. 273 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Yes. As you can already see, Jones has ruffled more 274 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: than a few feathers. Will give you a few of 275 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: his controversial views and or statements. To be fair, he 276 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: may have changed his position on some of these by 277 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: the time you hear this recording. I don't think so, 278 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: but maybe depending on what new information comes out, and. 279 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 3: A couple of these he has backtracked somewhat. 280 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: True or come up with a more nuanced view. 281 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and the first one that you might be aware 282 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 3: of because it also made national headlines were Alex Jones's 283 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: views on school shootings, and specifically the topic of crisis 284 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: actors and their involvement within these school shootings, particularly in 285 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 3: the case of Sandy Hook. He was criticized for claiming 286 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: that no one actually died during the Sandy Hook event 287 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: and among other shootings as well, claiming additionally that eyewitnesses 288 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: and survivors were actually these paid professionals called crisis actors. 289 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: Right, and his argument hinged on the idea that you 290 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: could see the same people at different tragedies, typically shootings 291 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: but also maybe bombings, stuff like that. And then this 292 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: led to what was very controversial about this is that 293 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: this led to some people who believe this harassing parents 294 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: of children who got shot. So dirty, dirty business. He 295 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 1: also believes that weather weapons exist, and he is not 296 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: wrong that it is possible to perform acts of weather 297 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: manipulation like the Chinese government did in the two thousand 298 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: and eight Beijing Olympics. But that's more to prevent bad 299 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: weather or encourage weather that would be beneficial for crops. 300 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: Or agriculture, strategic cloud seating. 301 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: Right, And we know that the US government did experiment 302 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: with weather as a weapon of war in the Vietnam conflict. 303 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: But he stated that governments can manufacture or geo engineer 304 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: hurricanes specifically. 305 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 3: A lot of the time Alex Jones gets in trouble 306 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 3: because he states these things as though they are fact, 307 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,760 Speaker 3: as though there is absolutely you know, without even having 308 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 3: absolute proof, saying no, this is how it is. 309 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 2: He'll also do this thing, or he'll take something with 310 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 2: a grain of truth and just drive it into the 311 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 2: ground and do a lot of assumptions around that grain 312 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 2: of truth to the point where you lose the plot entirely, 313 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: and that thing that might actually be true becomes the 314 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: basis for something that is utterly absurd. 315 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 1: In my opinion, I'll go on record saying I'm fine 316 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: with interviewing Alex Jones. There's some things I want to see. 317 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: His opinion on engineering hurricanes still is interesting. We did 318 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: a video on this a while back, and the idea 319 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: of manufacturing natural disasters is not as impossible, as you 320 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: might think, because things like acting purposeful human action can 321 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: trigger earthquakes, so it is possible to manufacture earthquakes. I 322 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: don't think. I don't think he has any solid proof 323 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: of purposely manufacturing hurricanes because honestly, how the hell would 324 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: you steer them with a hurricane motor. Sure, maybe he 325 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: owns a hurricane rudder rudder motor. He's also anti vaccination 326 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: in some respects, and that's been really controversial for him. 327 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 1: He has repeatedly stated his belief in something called white genocide, 328 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: which I almost want to say in a different genocide, 329 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: the idea that certain groups of people are working to 330 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: increase violence against those identified as white, typically in the 331 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: US and North America, but also in Western Europe, while 332 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: also reducing their population. And he doesn't just get criticism 333 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: from the mainstream, he gets criticism from the fringe community. 334 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: You say, oh, I know what you are, Alex Jones. 335 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: You're an agent of disinformation. You work for the same 336 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: people you claim to oppose, which in this case, my friends, 337 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: would mean that Alex Jones is turning frogs. 338 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: You know, oh boy, yeah, well you know that I 339 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 3: think is one of those more valid points than a 340 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 3: lot of the other things, because when you have someone 341 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:37,719 Speaker 3: espousing somewhat credible ideas while at the same time saying 342 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 3: that the hurricanes are absolutely happening, or vaccinations are absolutely 343 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 3: you know, causing autism, or these things are absolutely occurring. 344 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 3: When you can when you can have someone who is 345 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 3: treated as somewhat credible one in one respect, but then 346 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: also just saying the craziest stuff on the other hand, 347 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 3: it becomes dangerous for both sides. 348 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: But aren't all not to fall into relativism in that? 349 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: But aren't all people like that? They're just not on YouTube. 350 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:08,120 Speaker 2: Yes, but. 351 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 3: Alex Jones has a lot of people that listen to him. 352 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: True one criticism that he's come under fire for, and 353 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: this is something to be completely honest, this is something 354 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 1: that I have said before. He has come under criticism, 355 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: not just for me, for a large range of branded 356 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: products marketed through his show on the website info Wars. 357 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: And these are things like prepper materials, dietary supplements, survival 358 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: gear like bulletproof vest and so on. You can see 359 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: a John Oliver Last Week Tonight clip on this and 360 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: on some of the dubious claims that have been made 361 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,959 Speaker 1: about these dietary supplements. My primary issue with this is 362 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: if you're doing a show about an imminent economic collapse, right, 363 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: the fall of the dollar or something, and then you 364 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 1: segue into convincing people to buy gold from you, it 365 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: makes what you said earlier, it lessens the impact. You know, 366 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it's automatically wrong, but it doesn't. 367 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel as trustworthy. 368 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: It reminds me of that Jim Baker stuff. You know, 369 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: he's this televangelist to prosperity theologist whose whole thing is 370 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 2: built around selling these doomsday prep materials and like survival 371 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 2: food and these disgusting buckets of beans and gruel, you. 372 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: Know, mashed potatoes, right, cream corn? Yeah? Who wants that 373 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: much cream corn? Anyway? It's true, It's true. It's similar. 374 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: Jones has also, well, at least Jones hasn't implied that 375 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,239 Speaker 1: people are going to hell if they don't if they 376 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: don't get prepping materials. 377 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 2: I mean to hear Jones tell that we're already living 378 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: in hell. 379 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. Oh. Just to bring this up to one 380 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,959 Speaker 3: of the video clips that were looking at for this, 381 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 3: it's this response by Alex Jones to the whole gay 382 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: frogs thing, and at the end of it, or let's 383 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 3: say three quarters of the way through, it shifts over 384 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 3: to a water crisis video or it feels like they're 385 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: just shifting topics to a water crisis video. Sure, but 386 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 3: then you realize the entirety of the rest of the 387 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 3: video is an ad for something that they are selling 388 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 3: on info Wars about water purification. 389 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: So that's I mean, that's tough because I see what 390 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: you're saying, and it doesn't Again, it doesn't automatically mean 391 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: whatever you're hearing is bs, but it is easy to 392 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: make you question. 393 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 3: That because there are ulterior emotives. The motive is to 394 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: sell the water purification device. 395 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: Well, here's an example. We do advertisements on this show, right, 396 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 2: but it's not products that we're directly selling to you 397 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: that directly benefit us, that are directly tied to the 398 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: topics we are discussing. 399 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: Well, no, had that blue apron ad and the cannibalism episode. 400 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 2: Oh love Oh that was perfect though, like that too, 401 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: but that was completely coincidence. 402 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, So you could also argue that any episode of 403 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: ours ties in directly with the tushy. 404 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 2: Oh for sure. 405 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,640 Speaker 1: You guys just super into tushies. I'm glad you enjoy them. 406 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: Since we're talking about silly stuff, I just wanted to 407 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 2: point out one thing I think the most overlooked conspiracy 408 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 2: theory about Alex Jones is that he is a secret 409 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 2: acid house DJ. WHOA. Yeah. There's an article and Spin 410 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: that has screenshots from a video of his where in 411 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: the background you see like all of these vintage drum machines, 412 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 2: like TR eight eighths, then TB three oh three's and 413 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: all of these like, you know, really high end electronic 414 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: music equipment that and like you know, CD DJ dex 415 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: and monitor speakers and mixers and all this stuff all 416 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: in the background. And apparently there's a screenshot of him 417 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 2: commenting on some electronic musician kind of doing a jam, 418 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,439 Speaker 2: an electronic space jam, and him saying something like is 419 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: that a three oh three in the background? So Alex Jones, Yeah, 420 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 2: I'll ask him about it, man, Yeah, many layers, Yeah. 421 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: I'll ask him. And he has earned the trust of 422 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: a large audience despite the controversy. He's had many mainstream 423 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: appearances as a representative of fringe theory, an interviewee, an 424 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: opponent of gun control, and while he may be controversial 425 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: or divisive, There's no two ways about it. His story 426 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: is indisputably one of success, whether as a secret Bill 427 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: Hicks and Acid House DJ, a radio host, or even politics. 428 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: He's dabbled with that Trump's a fan. 429 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, Trump's a fan. Trump's a fan, And he has 430 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:44,199 Speaker 1: a very emotionally charged account of how one of his 431 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 1: associates turned him into a Trump supporter, which you can see, 432 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: you can see all the stuff that we are talking 433 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 1: about on YouTube. With all of this in mind, to 434 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: Matt's earlier point and Noel's earlier point, it's easy to 435 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: see how somebody dismiss him out of hand. He might 436 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: be for many people a poison well, and no matter 437 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 1: what he says, you will think that it's the worst 438 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: kind of badger bile that you've you've ever encountered online. 439 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 1: And again, the idea of turning frogs gay with it 440 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 1: being part of a larger conspiracy to turn people gay 441 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: for some reason sounds like something you would read in 442 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: the Onion. 443 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 3: It does, but what if there's at least a grain 444 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 3: of truth to it. 445 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: We're going to sift through those grains. Right after a 446 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,639 Speaker 2: quick word from Blue Apron or you know, somebody else 447 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 2: buy gold. 448 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. First, we're joking about buying gold. 449 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean, do it if you want, but don't. We're 450 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: not seriously telling. 451 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 2: Ya, don't do it on our account, right. 452 00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 3: Right, at least don't sell your gold at one of 453 00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: those wee by gold places. 454 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: That is a bad idea, but that song is so 455 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 2: catchy and look at it, he's got so much gold. 456 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: Just don't do it. 457 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: Uh So Alex Jones is in this case either misleading 458 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: or being misled to some degree. But there is disturbing 459 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: sand to this story because part of it is true. 460 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 1: There was a twenty ten study by Tyrone B. Hayes 461 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: at the University of California, Berkeley, wherein they found that 462 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: a common pesticide known as atrazine at r zne can 463 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: turn genetically male frogs into female frogs. And furthermore, the 464 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: really crazy thing is that once they were changed, these 465 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: frogs became capable of reproducing successfully, so they weren't turning 466 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 1: quote gay. 467 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 3: They were being truly genetically modified. 468 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: Right, And Hayes and his team raised forty male African 469 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: claude frogs and water can ping atrazine and they did it. 470 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: You know, from cradle to grave, from larva is sexual maturity. 471 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: And the levels were about what frogs would experience in 472 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: the environments where this stuff was used, you know, around 473 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: corn production and so on, all the runoff, right, exactly 474 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: all the runoff, but it was still below the levels 475 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: that the EPA considers safe for drinking water. 476 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 3: That is crazy. And the other thing is that this 477 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: wasn't the first time work or look a hard look 478 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 3: at atrazine had been taken. Previous work had found that 479 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 3: atrazine can cause sexual abnormalities in frogs, such as turning 480 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 3: some frogs into hermaphrodites, like having both sexual organs. 481 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: I see right simultaneously. And the control group consisted, of course, 482 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: of forty other male frogs in water that was atrozine free, 483 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,800 Speaker 1: otherwise exactly identical to what they would have been encountered 484 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: at the end of the experiment. All the frogs in 485 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: the control group are still male, still still dudes. Ten 486 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: percent of the frogs in the group with atrazine in 487 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: the water were quote and this is haze language, completely feminized, 488 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: meaning their genes said that they should still be male, 489 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 1: but they have female anatomy, including ovaries, and they could 490 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 1: mate and reproduce with males. Yeah, it's confusing, right. So 491 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: in both frogs and humans, sex is genetic. So in people, 492 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: genetically speaking, females would have two X chromosomes, males would 493 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: have one x one Y. For frogs, the sex chromosomes 494 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: are labeled as Z or W, you know, just to 495 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: keep things interesting, and the female frogs will have dissimilar 496 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: chromosomes Z and W, while males will have matching ones ZZ. 497 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: And there's this other plot twist. Although the feminized frogs 498 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: can reproduce, they only reproduce male offspring, and that further 499 00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: complicates the sex ratio. Wow, so ten exposure turns these 500 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: frogs into reproducing females, but one hundred percent of the 501 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: of the young that they produce are male, and then 502 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: another ten percent if they're in the same water that 503 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: turns Yeah. So atrazine you mentioned corn. It's a weed killer. 504 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 1: It's mainly used for corn crops, and the mechanism that 505 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: occurs here is that it affects the gender and frogs 506 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: by mimicking a biological compound and increasing estrogen production. 507 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 2: So there's solid proof of its gender changing effect on 508 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: frog populations, and these effects could apply to other amphibians too. 509 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: Amphibians overall, though, unfortunately, are in a state of serious 510 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 2: decline globally, with this effect of atrazine essentially being just 511 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 2: another male in that particular ca often. This also has 512 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 2: implications for other non amphibious species, including possibly humans. 513 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: Right, true story. Yeah, so atrazine has been found to 514 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: not only induce breast cancer in rats, but to have 515 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: similar disruptive effects on hormone levels and humans. 516 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 3: Wow, so affecting mammals, rodents, possibly humans. That's that's intense. 517 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, no word on birds yet you but you 518 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: can find the study in full in the journal Proceedings 519 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: of the National Academy of Sciences, published in twenty ten. 520 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: There's another wrinkle to the story as well. Some species 521 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: of frogs already naturally and spontaneously change gender in the 522 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: West African common read frog, and this occurs when the 523 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: population doesn't have enough breeding males. A chemical trigger activates 524 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: a gene And just imagine this happening, folks. I want 525 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: to make you uncomfortable to have been Imagine if this 526 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 1: happened to you. The group of people that you hung 527 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: out with, your body is somehow decided that the ratio 528 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: was skewed, and then this chemical trigger hits and your 529 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: sex organs disintegrate and you develop new ones. That's what 530 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: happens to these frogs. 531 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: That is bonkers. 532 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: I could not deal you know, I would be very upset. Yeah, 533 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 1: I would just I don't know. I couldn't deal with that. 534 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: I have a hard time getting a new haircut. 535 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 3: I wonder if it has anything to do with the 536 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 3: regenerative properties that some of these species I would say enjoy. 537 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 3: Enjoy sure, yeah, because I know there are other animals 538 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 3: that have something similar to this right where the sex 539 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 3: can change. 540 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we can name several, you know, moray eels, rasses. 541 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think clownfish do this. Even though the little gobbies, 542 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 3: little gobbies. My dad had some gobbies before. 543 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, what are they like? 544 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 8: These? 545 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: A little fish? 546 00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: Okay, they're not. 547 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: I don't know if that's true. My dad had a 548 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 3: bunch of fish over the years. I don't know if 549 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 3: gobbies were actually one of them. It sounded like something 550 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: I remember him saying, But you speak. 551 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: Of them so fondly, yeah, true, true, makes me It 552 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: makes me think of what was that old Hannah barbaric 553 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: cartoon where with the underwater fish people that had the 554 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: little snorks snorks like snorkel. 555 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I only ever had like I had 556 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: a Japanese fighting fish. And you know, if you put 557 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 2: two of them together or like you build a mirror 558 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 2: up to them, they like go crazy. 559 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah. 560 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 3: I was completely wrong. Goby's gobbies whatever they are. My 561 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: dad never had one of those. 562 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: Oh did you just text him? 563 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? I just texted him like, there's responsive. I have 564 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 3: no idea what that is, and Okay, great. 565 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:49,959 Speaker 1: Maybe he's just denying it. 566 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 3: That's probably what it is. 567 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: So I love that you mentioned clownfish. Clownfish are interesting 568 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: because a lot of times the way these gender switches 569 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: occur in nature are very specific. So it's not just 570 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: a free for all. What day or month do we 571 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 1: feel like being what thing or other thing? So in clownfish, 572 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: there's this hierarchy, and there's always a female fish who 573 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: is like the queen of the clowns, the matriarch. Yeah, 574 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: the matriarch of the clowns. That sounds somehow infinitely more respectful. 575 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: But when she dies, the most dominant male changes sex 576 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: and becomes the matriarch of the clowns. 577 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 3: And then the cycle starts again. 578 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: But the frogs in this study, the African Claude frogs, 579 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 1: are not meant to do this. 580 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 2: No, do you remember that was the name of Cartman's 581 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: frog stuffed animal was Claude frog. Oh really yep, So 582 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 2: like I'm assuming as claude, like a Claude claude, you know. 583 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: But just a little aside there for no good reason. 584 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe Matt Stone and Trey Parker were trying to 585 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: warn every one. 586 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 2: You know, they have been pretty pressing about certain things 587 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 2: in that show from over the years. 588 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: That's true. Luckily, humans, unlike frogs, don't spend our lives 589 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: laying around in water. I mean most of us. I 590 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 1: would assume that is an assumption. However, the levels of 591 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: atrazine the frogs are exposed to again are still below 592 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: the safety threshold for the EPA, And at this point 593 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: we didn't find any proof, any proof full stop, that 594 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: this was part of an overall plan to quote increase 595 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: homosexuality in the human population. And honestly, it's difficult to 596 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: what would the motivation be. Would it be to decrease 597 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: the population or something over a long long time, because 598 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: the population's already decreasing, and it has nothing to do 599 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: with atrazine in the water. 600 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that as something maybe, but probably not. 601 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think about this? 602 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I just want to note here, 603 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 3: where while humans don't spend all day long soaking up 604 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 3: the atrazine and you know, runoff water the way amphibians, 605 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 3: these these frogs do, we do ingest a whole heck 606 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 3: of a lot of water. We have to, that's how 607 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 3: we survive. And you know, we in this country, we 608 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 3: rely on usually public services to clean the water that 609 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 3: we drink. So in a way, we're putting a whole 610 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,360 Speaker 3: lot of faith in you know, some state and local governments, 611 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 3: in our case, local governments to clean the water we drink, 612 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 3: which may be affected by runoff of chemicals like atrazine. 613 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,840 Speaker 3: And it just makes me wonder what really are we 614 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 3: getting in us because we've talked about flint before. Sure 615 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 3: we've talked about other places where there are serious issues 616 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 3: with the cleanliness and chemical freeness of water. I don't know. 617 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And is there's another question here? Remember life straws. 618 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: It was nuts about these for a while. Nope, they're 619 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: these portable water filters that you can use to drink 620 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: from incredibly dirty and contaminated sources of water. They don't. 621 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 1: They don't help against radiation or I think some heavy metals. 622 00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: But otherwise, as far as water borne diseases and micro organisms, 623 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: they're pretty effective and they save lives, but I don't 624 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: know if they prevent something like atrazine. 625 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 2: Can I get a prison Planet branded life straw You 626 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:35,960 Speaker 2: know what? 627 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,160 Speaker 1: I bet if we write to Life straw directly and 628 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: the price is right, you can get them branded however 629 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: you wish. Do you want a prison Planet or no? 630 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 2: I was wondering if this is the kind of thing 631 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 2: that that Alex Jones would sell. 632 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: Oh. Yeah, it's survival gear and it's it's a good 633 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: piece of equipment. 634 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 3: I used to have one, Yeah, survival gear, but generally 635 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 3: use you know, in in impoverished areas of the world. 636 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, like inngos. Probably do them now. Now I have 637 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: to know NOL. I have to know prison Planet has 638 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: info Wars. Does sell life straws? 639 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 3: Really? 640 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 2: Yeah? 641 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 3: Nice? 642 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, they do sell life straws. 643 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 3: Just to get back to the topic on hand, we 644 00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 3: were talking about depopulation before I derail this here, Ben, 645 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 3: and we were talking about how that's already happening for 646 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 3: a number of reasons. One of those is just this 647 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 3: increased inequality and among populations. 648 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, people can't afford the same quality of life 649 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,680 Speaker 1: by and large that their predecessors could have. In the 650 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,080 Speaker 1: United States, for instance. Since a lot of what Alex 651 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,560 Speaker 1: Jones focus is on is US based, I feel like 652 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: it makes sense to focus on the US as well. 653 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: Obviously it doesn't apply to every country, but yeah, the 654 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: cost of housing, the cost of transportation, food alone, food alone, 655 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: the fuel. Yeah, just trying to stay alive is difficult, 656 00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: you know. 657 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:06,280 Speaker 3: And there's the other part, this concept that Alex Jones 658 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 3: started with that he just claimed that it was turning 659 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,879 Speaker 3: the friggin frogs gay. That never happened once. It's that's 660 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,360 Speaker 3: not what this was ever about. That was a phrase 661 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 3: that he used that is quite frankly homophobia. 662 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 2: It's an utter misnomer. I mean, they were spontaneously changing gender. 663 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 2: That's even the implication that that in some way makes 664 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 2: you turn gay. It's it's just the most base, kind 665 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,000 Speaker 2: of offensive characterization of that I could imagine. 666 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I guess it's a way to be alarmist 667 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,080 Speaker 1: or scare the population. 668 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's what we were saying earlier too, is I 669 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 2: he'll jump on like, you know, obviously there's some truth 670 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 2: to the way this chemical affects the anatomy of frogs, 671 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 2: and this is really interesting stuff and there's real research there, 672 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 2: but he took that grain of truth and just covered 673 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,080 Speaker 2: it in garbage. 674 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 3: Well yeah, and you you imagine if he's doing a 675 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 3: live radio show whatever, he's reading, the thought pops in 676 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 3: his mind and he just says it, and that's what 677 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,280 Speaker 3: he said, and then that's what it became. 678 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: And maybe he has a research team who phrase the 679 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 1: copy that way for him or something, or you know, 680 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 1: I don't know how much control he has over what 681 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 1: he says. 682 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 3: Well, you know, I've seen a lot of his videos, 683 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,400 Speaker 3: and I've watched him a lot over the years, and 684 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 3: generally what I see, at least is him having printed 685 00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 3: out copies of stories that have run in either prison 686 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,239 Speaker 3: Planet or info Wars or in another publication, and he 687 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 3: literally has the copy printed out from whatever's verbatim on 688 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 3: the page, and he kind of scans it or he 689 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 3: knows he's got something he's going to talk about, and 690 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:46,400 Speaker 3: then he just talks about it. 691 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,320 Speaker 1: So it's extemporaneous, Yes. 692 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,080 Speaker 3: That's why I'm thinking turning the freaking frog's gay phrase 693 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 3: came out when he actually was reading the article. It's 694 00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 3: just that's the thought he had. 695 00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably his words, and his words a lot 696 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 2: getting straight from his brain place. 697 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,000 Speaker 1: And then do so if he is just speaking off 698 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: the cuff, then the function seems to scare certain parts 699 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: of the population. Yes, right, banking on homophobia as I 700 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, but the primary issue seems to be the 701 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: decline of wildlife and the dangerous state of the environment. 702 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, the chemicals were pumping into it, oh man. 703 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: And so we did find troubling indications that in this 704 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: case there's a tiny snapshot of a much larger phenomenon. 705 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: The monitoring a pollution in the water, or the agencies 706 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: that are charged to do that, or the industries that 707 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 1: are charged to self monitor aren't doing what they're supposed 708 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: to do, or they're not doing it as well as 709 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,359 Speaker 1: they're supposed to do at least. 710 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 3: And it's also this learning journey that we're on. Does 711 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,839 Speaker 3: this chemical actually have any harm? Well, we won't really 712 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 3: know until five, ten, twenty fifty years later it's full effect. 713 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 2: And that's the thing about EPA regulations. You know, everything 714 00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,640 Speaker 2: we've read about their intervention here say oh it's within 715 00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 2: limits for humans, you know, So there are these caveats here, 716 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 2: you know, and when you get new pesticides and new chemicals, 717 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,960 Speaker 2: like you said, Matt, it takes time to understand the 718 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,680 Speaker 2: full implications of what they can do. And you might 719 00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 2: know an immediate implication or that it's toxic or not 720 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,800 Speaker 2: that bad for you, but you don't know down the 721 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,880 Speaker 2: road what it's going to do, you know, Like, I mean, 722 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 2: there's no way it's I don't know. That stuff does 723 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 2: scare me, especially when we see those guidelines being loosened 724 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 2: right more and more. 725 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: And for you too as parents, I would be interested, 726 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 1: Like do you ever run into concerns about that sort 727 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: of stuff daily? 728 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, even like you living in Atlanta, for example, 729 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 2: Like with the small warnings, I remember there were days 730 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 2: when my kid that they don't let you, they don't 731 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,359 Speaker 2: let them play outside because of an orange small alert. Yeah. 732 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 2: It's a thing, you know, and it's if if we're 733 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 2: not clamping down on this stuff, it's just going to 734 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 2: get worse. 735 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 3: There was a water main break on one of the 736 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,880 Speaker 3: large corridors here in Atlanta, called Buford Highway, off of 737 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,640 Speaker 3: which I live, and we could not drink water or 738 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 3: use water. We were afraid to use water. Technically you 739 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 3: can boil it. Boil it, yeah, and you know, you 740 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:25,839 Speaker 3: can take a shower in as long as you don't 741 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,160 Speaker 3: get in your mouth. But if you've got a two 742 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 3: and a half year old, it's very difficult to prevent 743 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 3: them from getting any water into them. 744 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 2: Just they put everything in their mouth. 745 00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:36,880 Speaker 3: They do. And but that kind of thing has occurred 746 00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,719 Speaker 3: several times since we've had him, and it's just one 747 00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,279 Speaker 3: of those other those other things that you just has 748 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:44,879 Speaker 3: to live on your shoulder and you have to think 749 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,000 Speaker 3: about every moment of every day. 750 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: Because you've always struck me as someone who needs more 751 00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:50,840 Speaker 1: stuff to worry about. 752 00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:51,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. 753 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 2: But it's also one of those things where there's so 754 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 2: little you can do other than just being mindful of 755 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,000 Speaker 2: it and being diligent. It can feel very stifling and 756 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 2: very like, you know, oh, just freeze up if you 757 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,719 Speaker 2: think about it too much. Yeah, especially when it comes 758 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:08,399 Speaker 2: to your kid. 759 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:14,560 Speaker 1: Right right, And the question of there's this great concept 760 00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,280 Speaker 1: and then terrifying concept called the Tragedy of the Commons, 761 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: and we've talked about this before. Everybody benefits from something 762 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,840 Speaker 1: that's just around, like water, for instance, who is supposed 763 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,360 Speaker 1: to take care of that? Indeed, this also goes to 764 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,160 Speaker 1: like free public restrooms. Everybody will use them if they 765 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: need to, but who is supposed to clean them? 766 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,720 Speaker 3: Ever since those aqueducts, we've been having to deal. 767 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: With this, right, So this case may not be so 768 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,760 Speaker 1: much an instance of a shadowy cabal with this weird 769 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,719 Speaker 1: complicated scheme to gender bend everyone, as it is a 770 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: case of industrial powers bending laws instead of genders to 771 00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 1: suit a profit margin or to push legislation through that 772 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,840 Speaker 1: as Noahl said, loosens some of the regulations on pollution, 773 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: but the fact remains atrazine, like many other chemicals that 774 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,160 Speaker 1: we will all encounter on a daily basis, depending on 775 00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,320 Speaker 1: where we live, has dangerous and disturbing effects on the 776 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: world around us. 777 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 2: You know, doubt about that. 778 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: We ended on a downer? 779 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 2: We did it happens? 780 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:16,439 Speaker 4: Yeah? 781 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 2: Should we? Here's some more. Let's hear a clip of 782 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,520 Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert making fun of Alex tir Yeah, you lighten 783 00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,400 Speaker 2: it up. I gotta tell you brain fighters. 784 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:31,080 Speaker 8: Ben Franklin had irritable bowel syndrome, just exploding all over 785 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,839 Speaker 8: that kite in the middle of a rainstorm, but did 786 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 8: not stop him. 787 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:43,120 Speaker 9: No, he kept going okay, and just it went everywhere okay, 788 00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 9: And that's how he invented the moist taw let. 789 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,439 Speaker 1: There we go. Yeah, feeling a little better. Yeah, Yeah, 790 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:57,759 Speaker 1: good call. We hope that you enjoyed today's episode, and 791 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:03,080 Speaker 1: we want to hear your thoughts on anything that this 792 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: touched on. Contamination frogs, this, this idea of switching gender. 793 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,640 Speaker 1: You can hear a little bit more about that plan 794 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 1: for Gaybom in our earlier episodes. And I think we're 795 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,359 Speaker 1: also very interested to hear what you think about Alex Jones, Yes, 796 00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:23,479 Speaker 1: and what you think about Waking Life. I'm so glad 797 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,879 Speaker 1: you brought that up though I love that movie. 798 00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 3: Send your Waking Life reviews in you can find And 799 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,560 Speaker 3: that's the end of this classic episode. 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