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Speaker 1: Welcome you to the off season to do list with

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Speaker 1: Cardinals greats. Of course, Lance Lynn been on the show many, many,

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Speaker 1: many time. I'm he's a great don't worry. Don't give

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Speaker 1: me that face a j When I think of Lance Lynn,

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Speaker 1: I think of the Saint Louis Cardinals. Lance good to

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Speaker 1: be with you as always. Of course you can catch

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Speaker 1: him on Cardinal Territory with Matt Holliday and Kyle Gibson.

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Speaker 1: Jim Hayes, Welcome to the show again. My friend Ryan

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Speaker 1: Helsley says he expects Saint Louis to reach out to him.

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Speaker 1: Should he be expecting that, Lance I don't often hear

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Speaker 1: guys say out loud that they expect a certain team

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Speaker 1: to reach out. Did that surprise you?

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Speaker 2: Uh? No?

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Speaker 3: I think you're looking at a guy who played, you know,

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Speaker 3: his whole career up until getting traded there. He's well,

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Speaker 3: well like there didn't do you know what? You know,

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Speaker 3: the Mets hope when they traded for him. So it

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Speaker 3: could be a nice little fit for him to come

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Speaker 3: back and re establish himself as the elite closer he

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Speaker 3: was two years ago. So I see the fit it,

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Speaker 3: especially because if you're gonna have a young team. When

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Speaker 3: you have a chance to win games, you want to

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Speaker 3: have somebody in the back end that can make sure

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Speaker 3: you you win those games. And it can really help

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Speaker 3: the organization and those guys learn how to become winners.

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Speaker 3: So I can see the fit there, and I like

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Speaker 3: it too, because Hell's was a Cardinal, you know, drafty

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Speaker 2: So he's coming back home.

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Speaker 1: All right. What are the top three things Lance Linn

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Speaker 1: that the Cardinals need to do this offseason?

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Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 3: It's trade Sonny Gray, trade Contreras, and trade whom I'm missing, Oh,

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Speaker 3: Aaron being talked about who's been talked about being traded

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Speaker 3: all year. So those are your three to do's, because

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Speaker 3: it doesn't sound like you're gonna have any money to

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Speaker 3: spend unless you get their money off the books everything

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Speaker 3: that you're reading and here and so those two you

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Speaker 3: got to go. And then you see where you can

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Speaker 3: go around the margins to fill in. You're gonna need

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Speaker 3: a couple, uh, you need a couple of starters. You're

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Speaker 3: gonna need two. You're gonna need two right handed bats

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Speaker 3: because you're getting rid of to right handed bats because

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Speaker 3: you're very left handed heavy. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: things to do after you get rid of those three.

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Speaker 3: But you can't do anything to you get rid of

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Speaker 3: those three in the money.

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Speaker 4: Okay, well those are the three things, but how many

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Speaker 4: of those don't All three of them have no trade clauses,

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Speaker 4: so you're gonna like, how are you gonna get rid

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Speaker 4: of them?

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Speaker 2: Sounds like.

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Speaker 3: Okay with lifting that no trade if you're not gonna

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean Arnotto already had the shot. He

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Speaker 4: didn't do it. They were like, you were sending you

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Speaker 4: to Houston. I'm not doing that, Sonny Gray. You know,

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Speaker 4: he's kind of They were like, hey, Sonny, we can

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Speaker 4: move you. At the deadline he gave the on Wilson

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Speaker 4: Gaturers basically said I don't want to get traded, so

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Speaker 4: how do you move?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 5: I get it, but how do you move? These guys?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean all three of them are are looking

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Speaker 3: for a situation to win. I think Sonny is more

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Speaker 2: He's seen everything going.

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Speaker 3: And but you know, Sonny's very particular on probably where

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Speaker 3: then it's just trying to find a deal that you know,

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Speaker 3: everybody's okay with. Contraras is one of those guys that,

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Speaker 3: with what he was able to do at first base

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Speaker 3: last year was really a pleasant surprise. I'm not surprised

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Speaker 3: he's able to do it because this dude loves to

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Speaker 3: But all of them have a very short list of

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Speaker 2: Trade. I'm pretty sure a.

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Speaker 5: Right, so Sonny, they tried to trade him and had

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Speaker 5: a trade and Sony said no. Last year what has

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Speaker 5: was the leader of this team. I you know, Wayne

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Speaker 5: all right, well, we're not going to win here, or

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Speaker 5: they're not going to try to win. Whether they are

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Speaker 5: that's what's changed, is the fact that he's now closer

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Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit of everything.

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Speaker 3: But I think Sonny is such a creature of habit

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Speaker 2: Sounds miserable to him. There's really no other way.

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Speaker 5: To say it.

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Speaker 3: Sonny's when Sonny gets comfortable and gets in his rhythm

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Speaker 3: to be more open to it, because hey, I'm at

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Speaker 3: the end of my contract. Hey, you know, it's a

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Speaker 3: full season with a new team. I can go in

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Speaker 2: Going on, and with a chance to win. When you

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Speaker 3: Middle of the season, we all know that you uproot

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Speaker 3: So I think, you know, obviously, if he gets a

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Speaker 3: he wants, lifestyle he wants, I think he's definitely open

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Speaker 1: Lance, what do you see happening with Trek's school? Do

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Speaker 1: you think that this is a and I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to ask you to speak for the ill Itch family

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Speaker 1: or the Tigers or anything like that. Does it make

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Speaker 3: So I think it makes sense to do that. The

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Speaker 3: then you have to do what's right for your team

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Speaker 3: you can for him. Now, I don't know what that

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Speaker 3: And then you're able to use, you know, the prospects

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Speaker 3: you got to think right now is the time to

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Speaker 4: Hey, l's what is it about? Heine Bloom and every

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Speaker 4: team he goes to he has to make all these trades.

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Speaker 4: So he was in Boston, he gets the big job. Oh,

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Speaker 4: you have to trade Mookie, right, and then he comes

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Speaker 4: Gray before we'll give you any money. Sign Bloom going

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Speaker 4: to these owners and say, hey, I'm your guy, man,

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Speaker 4: I'll trade everybody and then we can start and try

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Speaker 4: to win with no payroll. Like, why does he keep

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Speaker 3: It sounds like everybody tabs him as a guy to

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Speaker 3: come in and clean up everybody's mess, right. I don't

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Speaker 3: when you go to Boston and you get taped with

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Speaker 3: trading Mookie Batch right away, it puts you in a

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Speaker 3: bad spot. I think this time around in Saint Louis,

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Speaker 3: it's in a it's in a little different pattern for

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Speaker 3: go to the future. They've done a good job of

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Speaker 2: If they're able to shed a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit of money here and and use that to

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Speaker 3: build around some of these guys, I think they've got

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Speaker 3: You know, in the central, you can you can do

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Speaker 3: if they're young guys take over your your Mason Wins

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Speaker 2: He's going to be.

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Speaker 3: You need, you need Victor Scott, you need Burley. Those

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Speaker 3: become that where you don't have to put too much

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Speaker 5: Your to do list is trading three guys that are

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Speaker 5: owed a lot of money out of an organization.

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Speaker 2: Between the three of them.

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Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's a lot of money that the Cardinals

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Speaker 5: because no team's gonna be like, oh, Wilson Contraris, that's awesome.

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Speaker 5: Didn't he just win a World Series with the Cubs?

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Speaker 5: Like it's a different Wilson Contreras that that they're getting,

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Speaker 5: Like he might probably won't even catch. I couldn't believe

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Speaker 5: the Cardinals picked him up as a catcher. But like,

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Speaker 5: you're eating a lot of money for a team that

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Speaker 5: hasn't want to spend, hasn't want to suspend money.

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Speaker 2: So are these just dumps.

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Speaker 5: Are these just salary dumps?

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Speaker 3: It sounds like there's gonna be a little bit of

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Speaker 3: salary dump in this. It sounds like, Hey, what arbitration

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Speaker 3: guy that we know that we don't want or we

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Speaker 3: don't see building around or signing long term that we

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Speaker 3: can we can kind of, uh, you know, stick with

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Speaker 3: it's going to be interesting how they go about doing it.

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Speaker 3: I'm from the for all of it. It's like, hey,

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Speaker 3: So if I were in charge, I'm saying, hey, let's

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Speaker 3: I'm not really killing myself for you know, four or

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Speaker 1: Lance, I asked you earlier about Trek School, but I

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know, because you know everyone says,

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Speaker 3: he'll go go back. I'm sure he might even got

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Speaker 3: You just never know. But with the run they have

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Speaker 3: just never know what free agency is going to do either.

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Speaker 3: So maybe it was one of those things where I'm

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Speaker 4: That's true.

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Speaker 5: True.

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Speaker 4: All right, I gotta ask you Lance before we let

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Speaker 4: you go. I'm going way off topic here. I know

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Speaker 4: you're in Oxford this weekend, so you're talking about all

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Speaker 4: the heck out of Oxford where you guys can't even

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Speaker 4: sell out the stadium, okay, because like he's embarrassed, you're embarrassed.

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Speaker 4: Every you know, rebel fan even though you're a rebel,

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Speaker 4: but you have a bear mask.

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Speaker 5: Whatever.

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Speaker 4: How much money are you going to contribute to help

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Speaker 4: Lane pack up his stuff and get him to Gainesville

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Speaker 4: or as we're now gonna call it, Lanesville.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: See, I'm not giving him a dime to leave. You know,

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Speaker 3: I might be throwing some stuff to keep him to stay.

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Speaker 3: The things that he's able to that he's been able

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Speaker 3: you know, go to the highest bidder.

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Speaker 2: So we'll see what he likes to do.

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Speaker 4: By the way, my son said he saw you and

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Speaker 4: you didn't speak to him.

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Speaker 5: So that's cool. Wit, A big league of kid and

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Speaker 4: Fellow, a big league rate A big league Wait, a

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Speaker 4: big league of kid. That's cool.

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Speaker 2: Did I really see he said he saw you?

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Speaker 4: I mean, how do you think I knew you were

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Speaker 2: Well? I just figured everyone knew.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you get when you go into college

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, baby, hey da one of those.

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Speaker 4: That's because I'm a skip college. But when there's only

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Speaker 4: thirteen thousand people at a game. You know. By the

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Speaker 4: by the way, I've been to whatever it's called, John

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Speaker 4: Hemingway Stadium, Ernest Hemingway Stadium, John Medium And also, by

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Speaker 4: the way, like for old MISSUS fan base to say

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Speaker 4: that was one of the biggest wins, congratulations, you beat

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Speaker 4: a three and sixteen with an interim coach and their

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Speaker 2: I didn't think it was one of the biggest wins.

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Speaker 3: I thought we played probably a c D game and

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Speaker 3: you guys played your A game and we won, you know,

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Speaker 3: so we did what we were supposed to and then

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Speaker 3: that's all you Wow, this time of the year, win

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Speaker 3: the games you're supposed to win.

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Speaker 2: That's what we did.

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Speaker 5: Wins.

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Speaker 2: A win is a win, Yeah, right right on pace

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Speaker 2: to be in the playoffs, and that's what we're all about.

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Speaker 4: No, I got no change.

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Speaker 5: I don't. They might be, they might be. They might

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Speaker 5: be a last place team if they do exactly what

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Speaker 5: we just talked about. The pirates are gonna roll some

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