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Speaker 1: Week one NFL conversation. But first NBA Finals begin next week.

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Speaker 1: YouTube pitch all Right. Josh Derek White the other day,

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Speaker 1: in a story at ESPN dot com, had an anecdote

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Speaker 1: about his Welcome to the NBA moment where he was

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Speaker 1: just getting hounded by Pat Beverley. Do you remember, yes,

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Speaker 1: your welcome to the NBA moment.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I'll give you two welcome to the NBA moments.

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Speaker 6: So our first one my third preseason game. We were

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Speaker 6: playing the New Orleans Pelicans in New Orleans. On the

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Speaker 6: team it's me and Justice winslower rookies that teams like

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Speaker 6: d Wade, like Chris Bosh was still playing, Amarris Stane Meyer,

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Speaker 6: Goran Dragic, Lou All Dang, who's my vet, John Lou,

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Speaker 6: it's my dog.

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Speaker 5: And so we're playing the Pelicans and this is like.

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Speaker 6: My first minutes, you know, like you know, the preseason,

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Speaker 6: like young young guys who aren't like the top picks

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Speaker 5: Of planning time. So I'm like you know, I'm chilling,

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Speaker 5: like working hard off the court, trying to figure it out.

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Speaker 5: So we're playing them and I go in in like

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Speaker 5: So I match you up on Eric Gordon, great player.

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Speaker 6: If you're looking at the goal, we're in the left corner,

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Speaker 6: so if you're coming out, he's gonna be coming off

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Speaker 6: So we come off the screen. He's a shooter, so

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Speaker 6: I trailed the screen. I'm like, okay, like I can't

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Speaker 6: this on the glass. So he goes off his right foot.

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Speaker 5: Taking out. Right after I'm walking to the bench, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Like yo, and d Wade just like stands up in

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Speaker 5: I was like, welcome to the league, young fellow.

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Speaker 6: I was like, and then I'd say the second one,

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Speaker 6: my rookie year, I didn't really play like my first

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Speaker 5: You know. I was like talking to him, like seeing

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Speaker 6: My first game getting to play because we had injuries

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Speaker 5: So I'm like, all right, long story short, I go out,

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Speaker 6: I'm like, you know, I felt like I, in my

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Speaker 5: But and I was on him for a good majority

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Speaker 6: But that was like my like, all right, Like these

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Speaker 3: What is the most competitive environment you've played in?

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Speaker 4: I mean, you've played in so many big games for

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Speaker 4: about how crazy MSG is, but we know that, like,

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Speaker 4: is that really the pinnacle?

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Speaker 6: I mean, MG is probably in my top three favorite

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Speaker 6: Like I remember my second year in the league, I

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Speaker 6: welcome to MSG moment. But I'd say a crazy environment

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Speaker 6: playoffs my third year was like every game, every minute

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Speaker 6: of that of that series was like a dog fight,

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Speaker 6: like a real dog fight. And the fans in Miami,

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Speaker 2: Dallas is looking good.

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Speaker 1: What's the biggest thing the Celtics must do against Luca

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Boston's biggest thing defensively has got to

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Speaker 6: be they have to send different coverages because if Luca

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Speaker 6: So I mean, I think they have to make the coverage,

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Speaker 6: have to drop, they have to hedge, they got to

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Speaker 6: send the blitz, so other guys, you know, have to

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Speaker 6: play and make decisions. I think Kyrie has been, you know,

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Speaker 6: one of the best players in these playoffs this year.

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Speaker 5: So slowing those two guys down is really never easy.

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Speaker 6: But I feel like their best chance is just you know,

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Speaker 6: But I say that, and then I say the Mavericks

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Speaker 6: slowing down, you know JT.

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Speaker 6: You know they're white through Holiday, Hayden Pritchard, Sam Houser.

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Speaker 6: If KP comes back, you know they have they just

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 6: I think their biggest strength is their their versatility and

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Speaker 6: how they can spread everything around. You know, alhor for

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Speaker 6: making seven threes in a game last week is like,

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Speaker 5: Comes out and does that. It's like, damn, like where's

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Speaker 6: And it's like they don't have any any offensive holes

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Speaker 5: So basically, I'd say just being strong across.

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Speaker 6: The board, you know what I'm saying, don't let don't

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Speaker 6: get super confident. But I mean it's easier said than done.

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Speaker 6: They have you know, two All Stars could have been

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Speaker 6: probably said those are the biggest things for each team.

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Speaker 1: So you mentioned you got a blitz Luca, and obviously

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Speaker 1: one of the most important plays in this series with

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Speaker 1: the Wolves and the MAVs was that game winning shot

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Speaker 1: he hit and he basically had Rudy Gobert one on

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Speaker 1: one and you put him.

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Speaker 2: On skates when you were watching that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, So when you're watching that and you see

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Speaker 1: that as a player, are you asking yourself?

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Speaker 2: How did they let themselves get in a position where

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Speaker 2: Rudy Gobert.

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Speaker 1: Ends up alone when they knew that was going to

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Speaker 1: be the exact play. Everybody in the building, everybody watching

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Speaker 1: up being the matchup that the MAVs get when everybody

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's tough, man, because because Lucas just so

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Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: So if you look at.

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Speaker 6: The play, like Gobert came up and it wasn't the

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Speaker 6: plan for him to switch on to Luca, but you know,

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Speaker 6: as a screen happened.

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Speaker 5: Everything happened.

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Speaker 6: Lucas so good at like he stopped, he waited, he

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Speaker 6: got a guy on his back, he backed it up,

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Speaker 6: and McDaniels didn't want to switch. You could see it

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Speaker 6: it happened, and Rudy just got kind of got caught

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Speaker 6: out on an island. And you know, if you watch hoops,

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Speaker 6: you know there's history to that matchup, you know, with

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Speaker 6: that matchup.

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Speaker 5: And so.

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Speaker 5: But he's just.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's really what he did with that play.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's kind of known like that.

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Speaker 6: Kyrie is just one of the most talented, like overall

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Speaker 6: And I think there's a lot of guys that would

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Speaker 6: I can see that, you know. And and just the

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Speaker 5: The way that he's just like kind of involved himself

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Speaker 6: It's not great for the other side of the game

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Speaker 6: know that, Like, you know, it's a thing like you

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Speaker 5: You know, it's clutch factor.

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Speaker 6: He's made gigantic shots, and you know that that's kind

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Speaker 6: Who is mental, you know what I'm saying, he's mentally

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Speaker 1: Who in the Mavericks locker room or in the NBA

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Speaker 5: It might be Mark Cuban. You know, Cuban makes fun

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Speaker 6: You know, he's the score tight every game, and he's

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Speaker 5: You know, It's cool to.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to think of like a player that don't

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Speaker 6: It's kind of just like a thing, like all right,

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Speaker 4: It makes you so happy here and you give Kyrie

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Speaker 4: I think real basketball players and Hooper is like Kyrie.

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Speaker 4: Like Kyrie says some crazy stuff every now and every

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Speaker 4: now and then who cares? It was really like Boston

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Speaker 3: I like, that's why I went.

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Speaker 4: The redemption, Like I don't want to get into all that,

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Speaker 4: but him if he would beat Boston. I mean, I

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Speaker 4: I'm a Duke fan, so to me, you know, when

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Speaker 4: Buddy was like, dude, he's he's literally Jason Williams, and

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Speaker 4: I'm like, nah, he's not Jason Williams. He's like, wait,

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Speaker 4: do you see this kid? Because he watched him in

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Speaker 4: is incredible, but Kyrie is another level. Like like you said,

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Speaker 4: the handling, he is in a box with three guys

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Speaker 3: It's it really is something special.

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Speaker 4: So you're talking about here the defense, Why is there

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Speaker 3: Is there just no adjustment?

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 4: Is Luca and Kyrie that like people are talking about

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Speaker 4: and there where it's like, no, there is nothing that

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Speaker 3: What's your review on that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: And one thing, you know in the playoffs, defense really

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Speaker 5: Hunkers down, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: Like you're having like our hour and a half two

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Speaker 6: like like you're watching on TV and.

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Speaker 5: It's like, oh, how that guy gets so open? You

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Speaker 6: Like there's never that unless like somebody just completely blows

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Speaker 5: Like that, it's going to be a huge issue. You

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Speaker 6: And so a lot of it just comes down to

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Speaker 6: like I'm better than you. Basically is what they've been

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Speaker 6: to come down to shop. Like a lot of the playoffs,

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Speaker 5: A lot of layups and threes. That's the thing. Like

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Speaker 6: Get lay up, we gotta get a three, like analytics like,

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Speaker 6: They're sitting on every action. Who can find like this

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Speaker 6: stuff like that besides like Mike Conley, who has the

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Speaker 6: lot of it's just just stop.

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Speaker 1: Making defense in the playoffs. We talked a little bit

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Speaker 2: In the league.

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Speaker 1: And even when you were in high school, when you

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Speaker 1: scoring thirty points a game, right, you were a guy

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Speaker 1: who has made his way into professional basketball as a

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Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, yeah it does. And I kind of

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Speaker 6: The preparation I think is the biggest change in defense

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Speaker 6: But now, you know, you're just sitting there just like

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Speaker 1: Who do you like to watch defensively to pick up

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Speaker 6: I think Drew Holiday, man, I think he's just done

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Speaker 6: like such a great job, you know, as a perimeter

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Speaker 6: the best players in the NBA for forty minutes in

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Speaker 5: Drew is just his mental like he's a step ahead

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Speaker 6: And you know it's some great defenders, but his his

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Speaker 3: I love Drew.

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Speaker 4: Also, he's a guy who he went through a lot

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Speaker 4: he's gone through, but read into it like this, I'm

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Speaker 4: he was seventeen, Like we literally took this kid and

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Speaker 4: he graduated college early, like he was legit seventeen eighteen

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Speaker 4: he is and the NBA Finals is a key piece

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Speaker 4: to this Celtics team.

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Speaker 3: I love that you're giving him praise.

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Speaker 1: There, Simon, can you name the fastest gap in the

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Speaker 1: United States?

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Speaker 3: Game Time?

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Speaker 1: That's right, it's game Time. I love Game Time for

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Speaker 1: heat culture has become a real thing, right and we've

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Speaker 1: seen how the Heat have developed players over the years.

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Speaker 1: What is it about their system and obviously you're back

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Speaker 1: for that kind of development? So a player like you,

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Speaker 1: and they feel confident that you've gotten to the place

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Speaker 1: that you need to be and no one else might

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Speaker 1: know that yet, but you will, despite getting lit up

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Speaker 1: by by Steph for forty prove to everybody that you

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Speaker 1: would put yourself that they have put you in the

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Speaker 1: right position.

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Speaker 2: How do they manage that development?

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Speaker 6: For me personally, I didn't at the time, I was frustrated.

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Speaker 5: I didn't love it, you know.

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Speaker 6: But first of all, with the Heat culture, I think

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Speaker 6: the biggest separator from that and other teams is the

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Speaker 6: accountability aspect of it. You know, Like I've been on

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Speaker 6: a few teams where it's like, you know, yeah, like

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Speaker 6: things are things are cool, things are nice, like the

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Speaker 6: team has good chemistry and everything, but like once it

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Speaker 6: really comes down to the accountability across the board is

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Speaker 6: just not always there. And so sometimes people can get

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Speaker 6: sensitive about some things and here like that's non existent.

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Speaker 5: Like they've done a great job of like.

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Speaker 6: Of like weeding out the the aspect of like conflict

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Speaker 6: when it comes to like accountability, like you're doing this wrong,

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Speaker 6: you're doing this wrong, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: Like we'll go at it and like people will argue,

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Speaker 5: people might fight, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: But ooh, and the coaching staff do a good job

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Speaker 6: of letting it go and letting the guys like handle

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Speaker 6: it themselves and solve with themselves. It spoke and the

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Speaker 6: coaching staff are part of that, like they hold themselves accountable,

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Speaker 6: and I think it's a big deal that, you know,

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Speaker 6: they let us hold them accountable.

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Speaker 5: Too when necessary.

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Speaker 6: But for me, my rookie year, not playing, you know,

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Speaker 6: he told me before the season started, was like, you're

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Speaker 6: probably not gonna play much like you're probably you know,

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Speaker 6: not gonna suit up a lot of these games, your

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Speaker 6: first like a couple of years, honestly, But I was

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Speaker 6: ready not.

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Speaker 5: To play for a long time, and so I'm on

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Speaker 5: the scout team for a long time. He's like, treat

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Speaker 5: this like your game.

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Speaker 6: I was like, I was that guy in practice that

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Speaker 6: like everyone like kind of like this, this freaking guy

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Speaker 6: like he's going extra hard in this drill, like this

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Speaker 6: is not even that time, and I'm like trying to

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Speaker 6: like like run myself into the ground. I'm like, I

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Speaker 6: don't care. I'm trying to.

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Speaker 5: Be the best of this. I'm going to get this.

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Speaker 6: And I'm like traveling with the team and I'm not

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Speaker 6: getting to play though, And so the coaches did a

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Speaker 6: good job of just staying in my ear, like just

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Speaker 6: keep working. It's gonna be a time where Spoe's gonna

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Speaker 6: have to throw you in there in the fire, and

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Speaker 6: you gotta be ready when that chance comes, you know

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Speaker 6: what I'm saying. And so I'm still working. I'm kind

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Speaker 6: of like started asking to go to the D League

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Speaker 6: at the time, the G League now, but I was like,

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Speaker 6: can I just go down there and like, you know, play,

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Speaker 6: like get a couple of games, you know, maybe see

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Speaker 6: like put some of this stuff into use.

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Speaker 5: And so they.

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Speaker 6: Finally sent me, and I go down for four games,

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Speaker 6: and I average probably like twenty eight a game.

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Speaker 5: And like it was a blessing.

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Speaker 6: We had just played in Santa Cruz and I got

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Speaker 6: called up to the team like right after that, and

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Speaker 6: because a few of our point guards got hurt, and

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Speaker 6: then I played a gameless season after that.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned accountability, which is really interesting, and you say

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Speaker 1: that the players will hold the coaches accountable. Give me

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Speaker 1: an example of what that looks like in either of

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Speaker 1: your stints with the heat.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so those foe will have like in preseason, he'll

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Speaker 6: have like, you know, guys, come talk to us. You

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Speaker 6: know what I'm saying and kind of like like kind

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Speaker 6: of like class, you know what I'm saying, Just to learn,

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Speaker 6: because spose a big like component of learning and like

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Speaker 6: better in yourself. And so we had like these Navy

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Speaker 6: seals come and when when somebody would say something and

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Speaker 6: like to you, like for example, like if you were like, Ja, Rich,

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Speaker 6: I need you to to be better on this, like

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Speaker 6: on that coverage because you're blowing it twice blah blah blah,

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Speaker 6: I'm like and then I would say, okay, check like

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Speaker 6: because they say check once like they understand what's being said.

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Speaker 5: And so probably like my third actually, all through my first.

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Speaker 6: Few years after that, like we be in huddles and

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Speaker 6: like spoke sometimes would like get into the game and

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Speaker 6: he get like really passionate and he kind of like

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Speaker 6: take it over the top, which is fine, like it's

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Speaker 6: good to have a coach that does that sometimes because

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Speaker 6: you know they care. But like sometimes people would say

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Speaker 6: like put it in the box, which means forget about it.

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Speaker 5: It's over, like we're moving on. And so.

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Speaker 6: All throughout both stints here, like if something happens with

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Speaker 6: the coach, they say put in the box and literally

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Speaker 6: like you're right, check and then we keep going.

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Speaker 5: Like it happened in Phoenix this year.

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Speaker 6: We were getting by the suns and third quarter starts,

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Speaker 6: we're getting smacked. They go on an early run in

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Speaker 6: the third quarter and Spoe comes back, throws the clipboard

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Speaker 6: the bench and BAM's like, coach, that's not helping us, Like,

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Speaker 6: that's not helping us right now you're doing that. It's

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Speaker 6: really back in and figuring this out. It's like, you're right,

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Speaker 6: and we sat down and got to it. We still lost,

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Speaker 6: but it was a good moment for you know, the

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Speaker 6: chemistry I feel, so.

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Speaker 1: Before you get out of here, I knew you gotta

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Speaker 1: get going. As a defensive player, who's the hardest guy

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Speaker 1: to defend for you ever?

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Speaker 6: I would say James Harden on the rockets. James Harden

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Speaker 6: on the rockets. And it's like, towards the end of

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Speaker 6: the stint there was completely unguardable.

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Speaker 5: How come the step back man?

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Speaker 6: The step back he changed the league and the way

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Speaker 6: he was so good at drawing those fouls. He was

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Speaker 6: incredibly explosive off his first step, but his deceleration and

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Speaker 6: step back was also like top notch, best I've ever seen,

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Speaker 6: so I'd say James just from three level scoring, getting

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Speaker 6: in the paint, still dishing, still being able.

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Speaker 5: To shoot from thirty feet with no like, no issue.

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Speaker 1: Josh Richardson, Miami Heat, NBA vetter in thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: Simon and I recorded an episode in which we looked

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Speaker 1: at the Week one NFL lines, and we treated it

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Speaker 1: we did a Simon says, we did an exact decision,

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Speaker 1: We did a foxhol. Naturally, Simon got a lot of

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Speaker 1: one look at the lines in which we named all

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Speaker 1: of our bets, it seems only natural, Simon, that we

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Speaker 1: would have a segment of sharp calls.

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Speaker 5: Hello, who's there?

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Speaker 3: I'm talking rain.

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Speaker 5: Range telephone range, somebody saying what man?

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Speaker 3: So where do you want to start, Chatt? You want

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Speaker 3: to know what we got right, what we got wrong?

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Speaker 1: But we mess I want to start with what you

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Speaker 1: told me is what everyone thought I got right.

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Speaker 4: Uh that's very unbranded. Yeah, So number number one call

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Speaker 4: definitely a lot of love for the cardinals. I thought

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Speaker 4: that was the Joe public play of the offseason.

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Speaker 2: Cardinals, by the way, seven point underdogs.

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Speaker 4: They're playing the Bills, and I've seen a couple couple

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Speaker 4: of respected off short books hit plus seven and a half.

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Speaker 4: So even though the pros love this Cardinals number, you know,

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Speaker 4: this is a game that I think books are expecting

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Speaker 4: just to be a really big time teaser parlay games.

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Speaker 4: So like another reason why me and Chad will probably

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Speaker 4: take this money down and throw it into Ron Robin

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Speaker 4: because this is a big this is a big teaser

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Speaker 4: parlay breaker. But I kind of bad mouthed Kyler, and

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Speaker 4: I got a bunch of guys reaching out to me

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Speaker 4: saying Tyler has kind of changed, He's kind of grown

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Speaker 4: up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Apparently he's living in the building.

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Speaker 4: He's there all day, every day, even before he was

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Speaker 4: required to show up, he's been showing up and been

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Speaker 4: put in the work. And so if that's true and

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Speaker 4: we kind of see that this summer and it keeps

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Speaker 4: it holds water, then I will backtrack on what I

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Speaker 4: said that he wasn't fully committed. I thought he was

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Speaker 4: more committed to you all field stuff and playing video games.

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Speaker 3: But if Kyler's all.

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Speaker 4: In He's one of the best athletes I've ever seen,

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Speaker 4: and now you're thrown in, you know, one of the

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Speaker 4: best receivers I've ever seen in college football now coming in.

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Speaker 4: We've seen the transition, right Cheat, there is no waiting

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Speaker 4: period usually for these guys. Usually they come in and

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Speaker 4: they just dominate and as we expect marbon Aris Junior.

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Speaker 4: So you're going up against a team that's lost all

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Speaker 4: the receivers and a team that's added one of the

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Speaker 4: best receivers of football.

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Speaker 3: So I understand they're logic here.

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Speaker 4: They're they're saying the back door will always be open

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Speaker 4: in this game, and that the Bills. I keep thinking

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00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: of the Bills like yesteryear, of this higher powered offense

658
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 4: that could really put it onto teams. But I think

659
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 4: with Chad Shake said, it's probably right what these professionals said.

660
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: I think Chad's want to say now, which is like,

661
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: this isn't the same Bills team. I don't think they're

662
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 4: gonna be blowing teams out like they used to be.

663
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 4: So yeah, Chad's feeling pretty good here the pros. I

664
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 4: agree with him on taking this plus seven.

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Speaker 1: Chad feels pretty good all the time, Simon, But He

666
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: feels especially good when the wise guys agree with one

667
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 1: of his picks.

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00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: Our other picks.

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Speaker 1: Our foxhol bet was gonna be Pittsburgh plus three. I

670
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Speaker 1: will say I got a call from someone saying, how

671
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,719
Speaker 1: could the Fox will be Pittsburgh plus three? Like that

672
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: feels like the most public bet you could possibly make.

673
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Everyone's gonna be on that bet. Any feedback on that one?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Lanta is a new shiny toy.

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Speaker 4: I disagree everyone's gonna like Kirk, Everyone's all in on

676
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 4: them to win the division. They're just they're over is

677
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,479
Speaker 4: getting hit. I talked to a bunch of bookmakers. I mean,

678
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 4: everyone's all over this to Atlanta team they are. It's

679
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,719
Speaker 4: it's exciting. If you're Atlanta fan, you got to be excited,

680
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 4: like you have all the toys, You've just never had

681
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 4: the conductor and now you got it in Kirk. But

682
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 4: me and your reasoning is so true. You have a

683
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: guy coming off a major injury in his first start

684
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 4: on a new team, going against arguably the best end

685
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 4: in the last five six years in JJ Watt or

686
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 4: you know I shouldn't say j J Watt sorry, but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I know.

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00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 3: I just couldn't. I was like, I can't believe it.

689
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: I just called him JJ, But yeah, it's it's it's

690
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 4: it's just a spot we and Chat like to take.

691
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 4: And I've heard the pushback as well, where guys are

692
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Speaker 4: taking the two and a half on the Falcons. That's

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Speaker 4: what I think the value is when me and Chat

694
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 4: think the value is on Pittsburgh are And I know

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00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 4: I've had a couple of people to say, well Pittsburgh

696
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 4: actually gets out slow, didn't mean you win a big

697
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 4: bet on Pittsburgh's money line against Joe Burrow, Like that

698
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 4: was week one when they beat them two years ago.

699
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: So you know, don't have react to last year they

700
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 4: got blown out by the forty nine ers. Me and

701
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 4: chatted right there with you people like no one saw

702
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 4: that coming. We should have hidsights twenty twenty. But I'm

703
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: not going to react to what they've done the previous

704
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 4: first weeks of the year. I'm looking at this year

705
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: and I I'm not even It's not even that it's

706
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 4: so much me betting on Russell Wilson or Justin Fields.

707
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 4: It's really us about playing the number and what I

708
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 4: think is a nice matchup for the Pittsburgh's defense.

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00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 3: So I agree chat, I understand the pushback. I just

710
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: think we're playing the number YREH plus three.

711
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: New York Giants minus one that was our Simon says.

712
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 4: Agreement, like again, started to be boring about it, but yeah,

713
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 4: the pros like it, and then the pros that are

714
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 4: on the other side, they just view this Giants team

715
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 4: is kind of overrated, right, and I'm my disagreement with

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00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: them is how are they over rader? And they're saying, well,

717
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: people like you keep saying that, Well, they had that

718
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 4: great run two years ago with Daniel Jones and him

719
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 4: beating Kirk and the Vikings in the playoffs, and that

720
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 4: was kind of a flucush Shei's and where last year

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00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 4: was more the reality.

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Speaker 3: I just disagree with it.

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00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 4: It's like, I think they've added a superstar ride receiver potentially,

724
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 4: and I think they've proved a little thing on the

725
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,360
Speaker 4: offensive line. I think their defense too, is going to

726
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 4: be better than it was last year. So last year

727
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 4: was such a fluky year. I think they started one to.

728
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Speaker 3: Five the Giants.

729
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: That was just the start from hell, and then the

730
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 4: guy gets hurt and it just all fell apart, where

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00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 4: I again, this isn't a split I think more professionals

732
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: are on the inside. I just viewed this as a

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00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 4: slam dunk. I told you I got this at three,

734
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 4: so it's like two points of value and the number

735
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: is not really budget. I mean even some books shaded

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00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 4: towards the Vikings, so it means Vikings money still coming in.

737
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 4: So they're just another team I think is getting too

738
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 4: much love.

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00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: And I just think J. J.

740
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 4: McCarthy's gonna have insane growing pains. A guy who you

741
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 4: know maybe threw the ball ten to fifteen times any

742
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: given start in college, he's gonna have massive growing pains.

743
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: And again, if it's Sam Darnold, even better. So I

744
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 4: just I think this Giants teams being undervalued here. But yeah,

745
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: not there's one game we're gonna get through that. It's

746
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 4: extreme love Chad. This Unfortunately the Giants game was not.

747
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: It was it Chad Mellman's exact decision of the Indianapolis

748
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: Calls plus one and a half at home against the

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00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: Houston Texans, one of two road or home dogs in

750
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: Week one, right now, Yeah, I.

751
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: Have this smite Chad down real quick.

752
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,239
Speaker 4: It was one of my favorite bets before he got on,

753
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 4: So Chad knew I already loved it, but yeah, the

754
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 4: pros love it. It's the definition of why I mean,

755
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 4: Chad love making these kind of bets. It's like we

756
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 4: are enamored with the upside of the Colts. We love

757
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,400
Speaker 4: a good home dog, and not only that it's a

758
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 4: home divisional dog. Then you add in this Houston team

759
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: is I mean, we talked about hyped up teams here.

760
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 4: Houston's got to be number one, right, I mean, look,

761
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 4: any talk to anyone I think Meetchat are gonna make

762
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 4: our own stupid top ten lists this summer QB list.

763
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 4: He's probably gonna be in there, like CJ is just

764
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 4: it's of course, yeah, we're all enamored with him, like

765
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 4: watching his film, all of it, and we say time

766
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: and time again, you get a full season, they get

767
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: film on you, and then there's adjustment. That's why usually

768
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 4: the best time to bet these guys to get MVP,

769
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 4: Like the time we got Lamar. Lamar played three or

770
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 4: four games with the Ravens, then we got a nice

771
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 4: fifty to one him. The next year, Mahomes came in

772
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 4: only played one game, right, and then the second year

773
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 4: he kind of took the league by storm. Then obviously

774
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: the adjustments come. So yeah, this the CJ thing. I

775
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 4: get the love for them, but this was this was

776
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 4: a game I knew meetchat we're gonna love. But it's

777
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: nice to know that basically every pro I've talked to,

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00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: they're all over this Colts number and again, do you

779
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 4: want to do it?

780
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 3: A teasers?

781
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 5: Go ahead?

782
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 4: But I got no issue taking the plus one and

783
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 4: a half or ticking the moneyline here. I just I

784
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 4: love this matchup with the Colts team, not just offensively.

785
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: I think their defense actually gives CJ's bigger problems than

786
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 4: people realize.

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00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 2: You loved it, you put me on to it.

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00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: But when it came down to it, Simon, one of

789
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: us chose the Giants, one of us chose the Colts.

790
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: One of us, by the way, did not fall for

791
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: choosing the Tennessee Titans, and neither of us fell for

792
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: putting them in at plus four and a half against

793
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: the Bears. Into our big balls better of the week,

794
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: we went with the Los Angeles Rams as road dogs

795
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: against the Detroit Lions plus three and a half.

796
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: To me, it came down to this game and the

797
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 2: Jets against the Niners. You felt the Jets was.

798
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: A little bit too public, a little bit too on

799
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: the nose. You convinced me the Rams were the way

800
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: to go.

801
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: Did the wise guys agree with us?

802
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys love it and they have the same view

803
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 3: as me.

804
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 4: It's just you're getting Stafford at a great number against

805
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 4: a team that I know they went down and drafted

806
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 4: guys and had the guys of pregency that secondary. I'm

807
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 4: happy to make bet on it to see if they

808
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 4: can improve it. Chad, I mean me and you historically

809
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 4: have done well taking these kind of points with a

810
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 4: good quarterback against the Detroit team that just always has

811
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:19,919
Speaker 4: the back door open.

812
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: So to me, it's I don't even know. I'd say

813
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: a point and a half a point of.

814
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 4: Value just because Detroit is, you know, like people like

815
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: me that are saying they had them as their third

816
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 4: best team in football right now and their model. That's

817
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 4: it's just crazy to think that Detroit has come that far,

818
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 4: that they've drafted this well, and that golf has worked

819
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 4: out this way. I mean, one of my more embarrassing

820
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 4: clips is when I first started here with doing the

821
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 4: show with Chad, I laughed at Jared Goff. I thought

822
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 4: he was gonna be at the league. I think they're

823
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 4: zero for nine, and me and Chad won this insane

824
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 4: money line bet on them to upset the Vikings.

825
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 5: I mean you laughed.

826
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 4: We're like, well, let's enjoy because we'll never another dollar

827
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: on Jared Goff's money line, Like he'll be out of

828
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 4: the league this summer because they're going to draft the quarterback.

829
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 4: I mean now he just got paid again. He's gonna

830
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 4: be the highest paid quarterback. So yeah, that was one

831
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: of my bigger missues. Like, but what they've done with

832
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 4: him has been incredible. So me and Chad once again

833
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 4: are playing.

834
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: The number here.

835
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 4: I still think this will get to three. I just

836
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 4: think the professionals will come in on it. It's actually

837
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 4: come down the juice though, So as a couple of books,

838
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 4: I always paying minus one twenty for the plus three

839
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 4: and a half. Now there's a couple of minus one

840
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 4: tens out there, people on the rams. So clearly money's

841
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 4: coming on Detroit here. But again, not any pro I've

842
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: talked to, Like most guys I've talked to, they're just

843
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 4: they're gonna take the points here with Stafford and McVeigh,

844
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 4: like this is a nice spot historically for us to

845
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: take these kind of points with this RAMS team.

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00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: All right, so that's sharp calls.

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