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Speaker 1: Glad you with a Sean Hannity show. Yep, two days,
Speaker 1: it's all over. It's done. By the time we get
Speaker 1: on the air two days from now, less than forty
Speaker 1: eight hours, Barack Hussein Obama's presidency will be over. E's
Speaker 1: in the process of holding his last press conference, and
Speaker 1: we'll probably get to some of that in the course
Speaker 1: of the show today. Alright, So, all week we've been
Speaker 1: telling you about this ongoing sting operation by Project Veritas
Speaker 1: and James O'Keefe, and then we had this article come
Speaker 1: out by the Washington bureau chief of the Huffing and
Speaker 1: Post guys. Actually not a bad guy, Ryan Grimm, He's
Speaker 1: been on the program before. And Ryan Grimm counter sting
Speaker 1: catches O'Keefe network attempting to soak chaos at Donald Trump's inauguration.
Speaker 1: The stinger gets stung. And the only problem is, and
Speaker 1: I looked at the little bit of video that they
Speaker 1: had put out there, on this It was not the
Speaker 1: same operation, totally different, and perhaps it was conflated. I
Speaker 1: don't know. We'll get to the bottom of it. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we'll have a Hannity Classic shootout coming up in
Speaker 1: the second hour of today's program a little less than
Speaker 1: one hour from right now, and we hope you can
Speaker 1: join us for that. We have the issue of Chelsea
Speaker 1: Manning and the commutation by President Obama and why that
Speaker 1: he did this. Uh No, I don't want a bit
Speaker 1: of Obama live nobody. No, why do you do this
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the show? You interrupt me? You
Speaker 1: talk in my ear? How am I supposed to continue
Speaker 1: my monologue? I put your microphone on. What do you want?
Speaker 1: Wasn't interrupting you? My job is to alert you when
Speaker 1: there's breaking news. Okay, I'm telling of you. Of the
Speaker 1: fifty stations that are carrying this radio program right now,
Speaker 1: not one of them wants to carry Obama's press conference.
Speaker 1: I did not say that anybody wants to dip into
Speaker 1: the stupid press conference for thirty seconds, so I don't
Speaker 1: lose my audience. Uh, Folks in other countries, so you know,
Speaker 1: I use that as a metaphor. And if in fact,
Speaker 1: we continue to keep opportunity open everybody to stay age.
Speaker 1: We had the farewell, we had the speech, we had
Speaker 1: the Michelle's speech, we have the speech to speech to speech,
Speaker 1: and he can't tell the truth about how bad he
Speaker 1: was anyway, goodbye. You know what's gonna happen to him.
Speaker 1: I'll go into this. He is gonna get off the stage.
Speaker 1: And this is my opening monologue on TV tonight. I
Speaker 1: tried in so many different interviews with George W. Bush
Speaker 1: to get him to take a shot back at Obama
Speaker 1: because Obama, remember the early years of the Obama presidency,
Speaker 1: bush Bush Bush Bush Bush Bush bush Bush bushsh fault.
Speaker 1: And I do this whole thing on stage. If the
Speaker 1: dog bites you, it's not the dog's fault. It's not
Speaker 1: your fault ripping the bone out of the dog's mouth.
Speaker 1: If you're a dopey liberal, it's George W. Bush's fault.
Speaker 1: You know, if you take a baseball bat and you
Speaker 1: knock down a wasp nest, it's not the wasp fault.
Speaker 1: You get stung, It's it's not you know the fact that, uh,
Speaker 1: you're too stupid to hire an exterminator, So that can't
Speaker 1: be your fault and you expected a government extermination service,
Speaker 1: or you're a liberal and you want everything for free. No,
Speaker 1: that would be George Bush's fault. Do you drink too
Speaker 1: much Jack Daniels and you have a hangover the next day,
Speaker 1: or Budwise or whatever the hell is you drink or wine,
Speaker 1: or if you're Whino and you wake up the next
Speaker 1: morning and you have a headache, it's it's not your fault.
Speaker 1: It's not Jack Daniel's fault. That's Bush's fault. Serious, if
Speaker 1: you get pregnant, it's not your fault. That's probably Bill
Speaker 1: Clinton's fault. Actually, I don't think I blame that sucker
Speaker 1: on George Bush. Uh. It's ridiculous. And every time I'd
Speaker 1: ask Bush, you'd have too much class, Obama's not. I'm
Speaker 1: predicting he's not gonna have that much class. You gotta
Speaker 1: understand something. This man is headed for the most difficult
Speaker 1: time in his life. He is, and I know he's
Speaker 1: gonna try and make it up and go out and
Speaker 1: give speeches. It's never gonna be the same again. He's
Speaker 1: not gonna have the same invite, he won't be the
Speaker 1: president anymore. And what he's gonna have a hard time
Speaker 1: dealing with is Donald Trump, who has said today that
Speaker 1: he is gonna undo all the he's illegal, unconstitutional executive actions.
Speaker 1: Because Obama didn't have the wherewithal or the political courage
Speaker 1: to go out there as a coequal branch of government
Speaker 1: working with the legislative branch to pass legislation the way
Speaker 1: it should be passed. He just ruled through executive fiat
Speaker 1: and executive orders, and he's come up and it's costing
Speaker 1: US billions and billions and even trillions of dollars in
Speaker 1: new regulations, etcetera. And Donald Trump is gonna sit there
Speaker 1: for a few hours. He's either gonna do it on
Speaker 1: Friday or I'll do it Monday. And he's gonna wipe
Speaker 1: out sevent of everything Obama did. And Obama is gonna
Speaker 1: know it, and it's he's not going to be able
Speaker 1: to handle it. I predict he'll go into a deep depression.
Speaker 1: I really do. I don't think he's gonna be able
Speaker 1: to cope. And then when you when obama Care is
Speaker 1: repealed and replaced his signature legislation, He's not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to handle that either. That's nine of It's almost
Speaker 1: like he'll be the man that never was. Everything will
Speaker 1: vanish in seconds, and he'll know it, and it will
Speaker 1: drive him insane. It will, and he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to shut up. He's not gonna go away and
Speaker 1: show the same class that George W. Bush showed him
Speaker 1: and the same respect that George W. Bush showed him.
Speaker 1: And he's gonna be on the campaign trail constantly, because
Speaker 1: that's the only thing he liked while being president anyway,
Speaker 1: was the adoration so and the accouterments, if you will,
Speaker 1: that accompany such a high position, like flying in Air
Speaker 1: Force one to Hawaii and sending your wife on a
Speaker 1: separate plane and lying on your own plane to where
Speaker 1: did he go? Nantucket, whatever the island? He went to Martha's,
Speaker 1: Matha's vineyard wherever he went. And then of course Michelle
Speaker 1: following later in another plane. And we pay him for
Speaker 1: the whole thing, paid a fortune for them to live
Speaker 1: the high life. Now he's gonna get rich, he's gonna
Speaker 1: go out and do speeches and make a lot of money, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: But the truth is, it will be he's like the
Speaker 1: President that never existed. It will be like the only
Speaker 1: thing we have left is the doubling of our national debt,
Speaker 1: him accumulating more debt than every president before him combined,
Speaker 1: and the horrible judicial picks that have lifetime appointments. Beyond that,
Speaker 1: there's nothing left. It'll all be wiped away because he
Speaker 1: couldn't deal doing it the right way, the constitutionally prudent way.
Speaker 1: And he tried to govern and rule as a king
Speaker 1: with executive fiat and executive orders. You know, too bad.
Speaker 1: He's not going to be back community organizing in his
Speaker 1: hometown of Chicago, where four thousand people, mostly African Americans,
Speaker 1: were killed during the course of his presidency, and maybe
Speaker 1: get on the ground and try and stop the violence
Speaker 1: in his home city of Chicago. He's not gonna do
Speaker 1: anything like that. He cares so much. He's going to
Speaker 1: Palm Springs. That's where he's going, Palm Springs, California, Little Rest.
Speaker 1: And we were west and we wax say we ought
Speaker 1: to have a pool. How soon it's gonna be when
Speaker 1: he leaves office? Until he begins the process of unloading
Speaker 1: on Trump, we really should do a pool. I don't
Speaker 1: know how do we do a pool like that? On
Speaker 1: Hannity dot com? Can we do that? Could you figure
Speaker 1: that out, Well, then we're gonna have more people. But
Speaker 1: then people have to pay money. Then that's betting. The
Speaker 1: only people that are allowed to have gambling operations is
Speaker 1: the government. We could do a poll, that's yeah, not
Speaker 1: as good as my idea. I mean, I participate with
Speaker 1: the Christ and Tony football poll every football pool every year. No,
Speaker 1: there is no money associated with it. Yeah there is.
Speaker 1: But you know, think about this, the government as a
Speaker 1: monopoly on gambling and lotto and lottery and or if
Speaker 1: you what if I wanted to compete in New York
Speaker 1: and start my own Latto system and I'll say, okay,
Speaker 1: five percent will benefit the children and education, I'll do
Speaker 1: it the same way the government does. If I set
Speaker 1: that up, uh, that would be called illegal, and they'd
Speaker 1: handcuffed me, perp walk me and mug shoot me and
Speaker 1: send me to prison with Bubba and that's where I'd
Speaker 1: spend the rest of my years. Probably It's ridiculous. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so we have the Chelsea Manning issue also coming up.
Speaker 1: We'll probably delve into that in the course of the
Speaker 1: program today. But anyway, so this conflict that was going on,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have James O'Keefe debating Ryan Grimm on this
Speaker 1: whole thing. And but this is what we now know.
Speaker 1: We now know there are tapes of people that are
Speaker 1: talking about this disrupt J twenty group. They're on tape
Speaker 1: saying that they want to chain individual cars to trains
Speaker 1: at every train location to shut down the DC Metro
Speaker 1: service when no, they're on records saying they want to
Speaker 1: shut down at least one bridge. They want to shut down.
Speaker 1: They have plans anarchists J twenty groups planning protests and
Speaker 1: city nationwide on Friday, the DC ones will get the
Speaker 1: most attention. And you know, then on top of it,
Speaker 1: there's an audio tape of them saying, Oh, we want
Speaker 1: to burn down people's houses and we're gonna go to
Speaker 1: war with you, and we want to put acid puraric
Speaker 1: acid in the h v A C ducks UH to
Speaker 1: ruin the parties that people are going to and disrupt
Speaker 1: the balls that people are going to. And it even
Speaker 1: gets worse than that. You know, the group Anonymous is
Speaker 1: out there. They've threatened that Donald Trump will regret the
Speaker 1: next four years as president. They're urging their followers to
Speaker 1: investigate his past for shady connections ahead of what's happening
Speaker 1: on Friday, the group which declared quote total war on
Speaker 1: Donald Trump ahead of the election last year and now
Speaker 1: calling on supporters to look for any information they can
Speaker 1: reveal about him. Uh. It then threatened you're going to
Speaker 1: regret the next four years. Allegations aren't substantiated, and it's
Speaker 1: not clear what the actions Anonymous followers will take, but
Speaker 1: it certainly is a call to arms to do something
Speaker 1: more than just complaining. These are the exact words. Go
Speaker 1: get him. It's your duty as adults. We gave you
Speaker 1: the resources, used them, said Anonymous on one of its
Speaker 1: affiliated Twitter accounts. The threat came after Trump tweeted that
Speaker 1: the outgoing c I chief John Brennan couldn't do much worse.
Speaker 1: Just look at Syria, the red line, crimea Ukraine in
Speaker 1: the build up of Russian nukes. Not good anyway, Anonymous.
Speaker 1: This group is made good by the way on their
Speaker 1: threats to Trump in the past. After declaring war on
Speaker 1: President elect Trump back in March of a series of
Speaker 1: leagues purported to be from Trump's phone were spread online.
Speaker 1: Dubbed Opera op White Rows, it called information included voicemails
Speaker 1: and telephone numbers At the same time, on verified personal details,
Speaker 1: including phone number and contact details of close aids, were
Speaker 1: posted online. The group also brought down the Trump Tower
Speaker 1: New York website after Trump for a brief period and
Speaker 1: leak further personal voicemails and protests of his rhetoric towards Muslims.
Speaker 1: Controversial groups, including the Clan the Islamic State, have also
Speaker 1: been victims of anonymous which, by the way, I can't
Speaker 1: fault them for that. I hate those hate groups. So
Speaker 1: but you know, John Kerry, he's not going. Sixty congressmen,
Speaker 1: they're not going to the inauguration. Chuck Schumer offering his
Speaker 1: support for these people. I respect where inauguration boycotters are
Speaker 1: coming from. They have so many irregularities. What is he
Speaker 1: talking about? Washington Post? You know, think of the outrage
Speaker 1: of this. Never Trump Republicans are whining they can't get
Speaker 1: a job at the new Trump White House. Oh let
Speaker 1: me just let me, let me hire you tomorrow. You
Speaker 1: don't agree with anything that he stands for. What's the point?
Speaker 1: You know? Ran Paul is also right by saying somebody
Speaker 1: should go to jail for the Trump intel leaks. You
Speaker 1: know what I retweeted today We had Martin Luther King
Speaker 1: Junior Holiday on Monday, the FBI letter telling Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King Jr. That they've got all this dirt on him
Speaker 1: and his personal life and then they're gonna reveal it
Speaker 1: and expose it. And they basically tell him to kill
Speaker 1: himself to not have it exposed. So disgusting, But don't worry.
Speaker 1: That's you know, government of buying four of the people,
Speaker 1: and the Intel community can't be wrong. Intel community, by
Speaker 1: the way, James Clapper once had to admit the outright
Speaker 1: lied to Congress. I can only imagine what would happen
Speaker 1: if I lied to Congress anyway. Eight nine one, Shawn
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Speaker 1: the program. We got a lot of other news today,
Speaker 1: but you don't want to miss this second hour of
Speaker 1: the program with James O'Keefe and Ryan Grimm, the Washington
Speaker 1: bureau chief of the Huffing and Post. This is gonna
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Speaker 1: now till the top of the hour. I'm really glad
Speaker 1: when I read this today that Justice Clarence Thomas will
Speaker 1: become the first African American to administer the oath of office,
Speaker 1: and he'll be using Reagan's Bible. I was hoping this
Speaker 1: would happen. I just secretly was hoping. I've met Clarence
Speaker 1: Thomas on a couple of occasions. By the way, he
Speaker 1: has one of those infectious, really great laughs that of
Speaker 1: all time. I mean, very very warm, wonderful person. It
Speaker 1: was very generous to me when I on the occasions
Speaker 1: that I met him. My last song I think at
Speaker 1: Rusha's wedding some years ago, and then it was I
Speaker 1: spent a lot of time talking to him. Then I
Speaker 1: really enjoyed my time with him, and I think he's
Speaker 1: one of the great Supreme Court justices in our time.
Speaker 1: And anyway, Pence will be uh the first elected officials
Speaker 1: to be sworn in on the Reagan Family Bible, since
Speaker 1: the late president used it during his inaugurations, and from
Speaker 1: what I hear, the Bible will be open to the
Speaker 1: same passage that Reagan used during his inaugurations, which is
Speaker 1: Chronicles seven fourteen, which is of My people which are
Speaker 1: called by name, shall humble themselves and pray and seek
Speaker 1: my face, and turn from their wicked ways. Then I
Speaker 1: will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin, and
Speaker 1: we'll hear heal their land. The presidents are sworn in
Speaker 1: by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. Vice presidents
Speaker 1: have been sworn in in a variety of elected officials,
Speaker 1: including Joe Biden sworn in by Supreme Court Justice Sonya
Speaker 1: Soto Mayor. I think that's pretty cool. It's a great
Speaker 1: honor for Justice Thomas, and one well deserved, as he's
Speaker 1: been a victim of such unfair abuse over the years
Speaker 1: by the left. Starting with his confirmation hearings, Trump is
Speaker 1: going to order the State Department to focus on terrorism
Speaker 1: instead of global warming, and he's going to tell them
Speaker 1: to start using the word radical Islam. These people at
Speaker 1: the State Department, but they're the same people that are
Speaker 1: going through these stress management classes and how to learn
Speaker 1: how to deal with change. If you can't deal with this,
Speaker 1: you might as well get out of the way. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is ratcheted up the State Department's role in
Speaker 1: the war on terror, which, you know, you think, maybe
Speaker 1: instead of giving a rip about what the U. N.
Speaker 1: Thinks and given a rip about what countries that hate
Speaker 1: us think and coming up with ridiculous plans to give
Speaker 1: the number one state sponsor of terror, you know, billions
Speaker 1: of our tax dollars, maybe it's time for them to
Speaker 1: focus on what their real job should be. Anyway, the
Speaker 1: Trump team wants to restructure the State Department to focus
Speaker 1: more heavily on counter terrorism. Well, that would reduce the
Speaker 1: time and resources devoted to climate change. Why is the
Speaker 1: State Department involved in climate change? You never what are
Speaker 1: you gonna negotiate with China about their carbon emissions? Good
Speaker 1: luck with that. We don't have any saying what they're
Speaker 1: going to do, and anything they promises is meaningless anyway.
Speaker 1: And we're the only idiots that pay for all of
Speaker 1: this in the end, because we're the only ones that
Speaker 1: comply with the stupidity anyway. They talked to State Department
Speaker 1: officials have been convinced the president Lex transition team that
Speaker 1: the Department is underutilized, overshadowed by the Pentagon on the
Speaker 1: White House National Security Council, which have typically taken the
Speaker 1: lead on the counter terrorism front. How about all hands
Speaker 1: on deck until we defeat Isis, al Qaeda and radical
Speaker 1: Islamis around the world. And when you think about terrorism,
Speaker 1: which we think about a lot today, poverty which is
Speaker 1: linked obviously to the levels of terror that we see
Speaker 1: in the world today. Uh, and of course proliferation of
Speaker 1: weapons and mass destruction, all of these just turn off,
Speaker 1: just turn it off. He's going to talk about claiming
Speaker 1: don't go to the inauguration, John, I've voted for the
Speaker 1: edge of a million before event against it. He's one
Speaker 1: of these guys that considers himself the great intellectual. You know,
Speaker 1: I meant many many journalist professors. They couldn't do this
Speaker 1: show for a day if their life depended on it.
Speaker 1: They couldn't do a TV show for a night if
Speaker 1: their life depended on it. You know, there is something
Speaker 1: that is underutilized in a lot of people's lives. Education
Speaker 1: is great. Knowledge is awesome. If you can apply knowledge
Speaker 1: to principles that you you support in your life, and
Speaker 1: if you can apply the knowledge to the common sense
Speaker 1: God gave you, there is intuitive, natural knowing. I have
Speaker 1: found myself in situations in life and I'm not anti
Speaker 1: until actual at all. As a matter of fact, I
Speaker 1: love education. I study now more at this point in
Speaker 1: my life than I have my entire life. And a
Speaker 1: year's basis, I will read and study more than I
Speaker 1: did in my entire college experience, which was three years.
Speaker 1: You know, I will, I will. I will study more
Speaker 1: in three months than I ever spend time studying in
Speaker 1: high school. It's it's just the reality of the what
Speaker 1: my life is. I literally read a book a day.
Speaker 1: When you consider the pile that sweet baby James brings
Speaker 1: me in the newspapers that I go through every day.
Speaker 1: It is the equivalent of a book. I am the
Speaker 1: fastest reader you'd ever meet, because I have to be,
Speaker 1: because that's my job. But I have met people that
Speaker 1: have all of this intellectual knowledge, very very bright people,
Speaker 1: that they can't even figure out how to put gasoline
Speaker 1: in their car. I'm serious. I know a kid that
Speaker 1: went to Yale and couldn't figure out how to put
Speaker 1: gas in his car. I I know kids. I know
Speaker 1: people that are so aren't and when I tell them,
Speaker 1: I'll give you an example. People that are even in
Speaker 1: I know people that are so smart intellectually that when
Speaker 1: I give them business ideas, they're like, they can't believe
Speaker 1: that I thought of it. I'm like, that's common sense
Speaker 1: to me. What are you missing here? And everybody's got
Speaker 1: their own gifts. Don't misunderstand me. I love you know.
Speaker 1: If I had time in my life, I'd love to
Speaker 1: study to be a doctor. Now by time, I really would.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated with operations. If I had time in my life,
Speaker 1: i'd become a lawyer too. If I had time in
Speaker 1: my life, I would become I'd study all the time
Speaker 1: I'd studied all the great philosophers I had. Once again,
Speaker 1: I once in my life, when I didn't have a
Speaker 1: TV for a number of years, I read all the
Speaker 1: Harvard classics, Dante's Inferno and Pilgrim's Progress and all these
Speaker 1: great books, and I studied them. I actually figured out,
Speaker 1: you know, and that in what they meant. I'd go
Speaker 1: deeper into what the meanings of these books were. You know,
Speaker 1: read the Bible well, the New Testament. I haven't gotten
Speaker 1: through the Old Testament just reading this stuff. And then
Speaker 1: I mean, people that are so learned so many degrees,
Speaker 1: that on basic simple tasks in life are so dumb.
Speaker 1: I can't They don't even know how to buy a car.
Speaker 1: They don't know a good deal on a on a house.
Speaker 1: If it hit them over the head with a two
Speaker 1: by four, they wouldn't know it. And I'm stunned by that.
Speaker 1: So I think that you know, in life, once you
Speaker 1: have a set of core principles, and once you have
Speaker 1: a natural common sense that guides you in your day
Speaker 1: to day decision making, then whatever knowledge you add to
Speaker 1: that only makes you that much smarter and stronger. The
Speaker 1: knowledge that comes in is applied to principles and applied
Speaker 1: to common sense. And for common sense, it's not so
Speaker 1: common anymore. It's so many people that are very smart
Speaker 1: fall prey to the same bumper sticker slogans, demonization, classification
Speaker 1: of conservatives every election year. They all right into the trap.
Speaker 1: And I actually believe we're evil if we're conservative. They
Speaker 1: believe that anyway. Nicky Haley is planning to blast Obama
Speaker 1: for his anti Israeli vote when she goes to the
Speaker 1: u N. Biden is warning Davos in Switzerland that the
Speaker 1: liberal world order is collapsing, globalism is on the decline.
Speaker 1: Upset about that, then we have Obama granting clemency to
Speaker 1: terrorists who helped plant over a hundred bombs. This is
Speaker 1: an interesting story. The last imprisoned member of the Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican Independence Group actually have this video on tape back
Speaker 1: in the seventies. Will be a freeman by May, twenty
Speaker 1: years ahead of schedule. He's granted a commutation to the
Speaker 1: f A l N mastermind Oscar Lopez Rivera, who served
Speaker 1: thirty five years of his fifty five years sentence and
Speaker 1: during the seventies and eighties, Lopez Rivera was part of
Speaker 1: the f A l N, which plays more than a
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty bombs in American cities, including one in
Speaker 1: New York. On January nine, the explosion went off in
Speaker 1: the business Roncess Tavern during lunch. Four people died, including
Speaker 1: Frank Connor at thirty year old thirty three year old father.
Speaker 1: I know the media has more focused on Chelsea Manning,
Speaker 1: but that's pretty big to me. GOP rightly so is
Speaker 1: going ballistic all this talk about you. There's a reason
Speaker 1: that Obama never talked about the White House being hacked
Speaker 1: while he's president, the d O dban hack while he's
Speaker 1: president of the State Department, the Post of the Service,
Speaker 1: the i r S, the Office of Personal Management twenty
Speaker 1: three million personnel files hacked by the Chinese. Never mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Why because it goes against the narrative that he actually
Speaker 1: cares about hacking, and he doesn't because if he did, well,
Speaker 1: then he would have done something about it. Anyway, I think,
Speaker 1: uh oh, Trump is using I think he's using Lincoln's
Speaker 1: personal Bible. That's pretty interesting. I'm glad Clarence Thomas is
Speaker 1: gonna be there. I think that's awesome. Good for him.
Speaker 1: He deserves it. It really does such a nice guy.
Speaker 1: IM so glad I got to meet him. Obama gets
Speaker 1: a minus nine percent final grade from the public. Well ed.
Speaker 1: Klein confirms what I've been saying. He has a source
Speaker 1: inside the White House that had slept in the Lincoln
Speaker 1: bedroom dying with the Obama family and the residents got
Speaker 1: regular updates on you know, what's going on since the
Speaker 1: election anyway. He says that his source is saying Barack
Speaker 1: can't wait to get out of the White House. It's
Speaker 1: now the grimmest place in the world. The atmosphere is funereal.
Speaker 1: Everybody looks like they lost their best friend and their dog.
Speaker 1: Barack's supposed to be cheering people up, but that he
Speaker 1: can barely muster a smile. He knows there's nothing much
Speaker 1: he can do to make his staff feel any better.
Speaker 1: And it's getting worse with Trump rolling out his cabinet picks,
Speaker 1: and they portray him as an angry, deeply hurt depressed
Speaker 1: Obama who can't get over his party's defeating the polls
Speaker 1: and he's taking it as a personal rebuke by the
Speaker 1: American people. That's only gonna get worse. I promise you,
Speaker 1: that's gonna get much worse. Before all is said and done. Um,
Speaker 1: let's see what else do we got here today? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Trump is gonna be sworn in on two special bibles
Speaker 1: and uh, let's see. One is gonna be his own
Speaker 1: family given to him by his mother. The other will
Speaker 1: be Lincoln's Bible, and Clarence Thomas is going to do
Speaker 1: it for him. Donald Trump, Thank god? Why are Republicans
Speaker 1: offering this now that they have both Houses of carverse?
Speaker 1: Trump is saying, we need a ten percent spending cut.
Speaker 1: That's what we need, and cut federal workers no offense,
Speaker 1: but we need that too. We don't get that. There's
Speaker 1: been one little thing apparently the President Obama offered at
Speaker 1: Potus to Trump, but they only have six point five
Speaker 1: million followers and Trump has thirteen and a half million followers.
Speaker 1: He's gonna keep at real Donald Trump. Um a hidden
Speaker 1: CNN poll. The Washington Examiner pulled up the headline on
Speaker 1: the CNN poll is confidence drops in Trump transition inside
Speaker 1: the pole. We'll only Queen Elizabeth and Pope Francis have
Speaker 1: a higher approval rating than President elect Trump, according to
Speaker 1: americans asked to consider the world leaders. That's pretty interesting
Speaker 1: happening today. Arianna now is in the sleep business, and
Speaker 1: Arianna Huffington is pushing the idea that if Donald Trump
Speaker 1: got eight hours sleep and put his phone off, that'd
Speaker 1: be be a much better president in the next four years.
Speaker 1: You gotta give Arianna credit because there's nothing she's not
Speaker 1: gonna be able to sell. She's go out there, so
Speaker 1: turn anything into that anyway, Um, President Electrump will be
Speaker 1: met with an unsustainable government spending. Let me just tell
Speaker 1: you one quick thing. And there are a couple of
Speaker 1: articles that woke me up to this today that sweet
Speaker 1: baby James had handed to me, and I said, you know,
Speaker 1: this makes a lot of sense to me. And one
Speaker 1: was a town hall piece. And now the left war
Speaker 1: on normal Americans truly begins, United we Fall was in
Speaker 1: the American Thinker, and I read both these articles and
Speaker 1: I put it with my own thoughts, and this is
Speaker 1: what I've come up with. Every effort by the snowflakes
Speaker 1: to insult Donald Trump is really an attack on you.
Speaker 1: Every effort to stop his Supreme Court appointments, his vetting ideas,
Speaker 1: his rolling back regulation and the bureaucracy, lowering corporate taxes,
Speaker 1: repatriating multinational corporations, eliminating Obamacare, replacing it with health savings accounts,
Speaker 1: energy independence, education, back to the States, immigration, building, the wall.
Speaker 1: Everything is going to be met with a fierce, unprecedented
Speaker 1: resistance and a rhetoric that you probably have never heard before.
Speaker 1: And I know you think you've heard a lot from
Speaker 1: the snowflakes. And there's still ongoing, and it's gonna be
Speaker 1: I guess at his height in the next two days,
Speaker 1: and we'll be down on Washington for the next two days.
Speaker 1: But I'm just telling you this is not stopping every
Speaker 1: single one of those agenda items which he keeps reinforcing.
Speaker 1: He is going to pursue a rain if aid I
Speaker 1: don't care. How did closed um and and this stuff
Speaker 1: is like very efficient, very very selly laugh for a
Speaker 1: long time, and I know how to get There's a
Speaker 1: beautiful metal or up the glass liquid in the little ball.
Speaker 1: You know, we need not recognize, I need eater. If
Speaker 1: you close down, we will look for you around, We
Speaker 1: will die, We will go to warn you will lose.
Speaker 1: And it would be really listening. You could stop them
Speaker 1: from having before on call, kay, I was taking are
Speaker 1: things that ruin that we ruin the evening, you know,
Speaker 1: we ruin their outputs or otherwise make it impossible to
Speaker 1: continue with their plans to make sure they get nothing accomplishments.
Speaker 1: But we WEPA the Originally all we could do before
Speaker 1: that same stuff and I could break the pans with
Speaker 1: the case with a plunder and step little bands that
Speaker 1: a state depending things. So all you gotta do is
Speaker 1: pull the pins and press the poor do the whole
Speaker 1: pan discardet. We have to do how we have to
Speaker 1: break sover like what you do? Yeah, and that will
Speaker 1: as a mission. So that is bad enough. That stuff
Speaker 1: is nasty enough that that it will spread. It will spread.
Speaker 1: So we use one person is going to block the
Speaker 1: other to call out talk about ten seconds and everyone,
Speaker 1: you can't go and you want to chain you know
Speaker 1: that required like a bolt cutter undo basically shut down
Speaker 1: that linevideo was a hit Metter Center gallery place and
Speaker 1: you're all closed up the walk too. And that's every
Speaker 1: single line A significant penamal of of us to a
Speaker 1: dozen that we've talked to so far. At these expressed
Speaker 1: interest in arrested the actions of the disobedience um. But
Speaker 1: the agreement that we left Sunday on was we're not
Speaker 1: going to do that unless, as you pointed out, it's
Speaker 1: actually effective. It's actually it's not. We're not just looking
Speaker 1: to get a like a notch to say we got arrested.
Speaker 1: We want to do it so we can have an impact.
Speaker 1: All Right, We've continue our story hour or two of
Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity show, James o'cafe project Veritas and some
Speaker 1: of the tapes that they got this week. This group
Speaker 1: that is out there that is involved and threatening to
Speaker 1: do all sorts of things, uh, burning down houses and
Speaker 1: stopping trains and bridges and burreautic acid at balls that
Speaker 1: they'll get into the h v a c system. And
Speaker 1: this is a group of people called disrupt J twenty,
Speaker 1: the J twenty group, and a lot of things that
Speaker 1: have been made now. Uh, as soon as we air
Speaker 1: the first report, Ryan Grimm, who is the Washington bureau
Speaker 1: chief for the liberal Huffington Post, made the claim that
Speaker 1: there was actually a countersting operation going on against James
Speaker 1: O'Keeffe and that these things apparently were said for his benefit,
Speaker 1: and an accusation that in fact, James O'Keeffe's people were
Speaker 1: offering money to shut down a bridge, in other words,
Speaker 1: inciting people to say these things. Now and James O'Keeffe
Speaker 1: got his video on tape. He did take it to
Speaker 1: the d C Metro Police because this was seemingly a
Speaker 1: terroristic style threat. If you're gonna use this acid and
Speaker 1: get it in the h v a C ducks, are
Speaker 1: you're gonna try and chain cars of trains, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna stop bridges, and you're threatening to burn people homes down,
Speaker 1: and they took it very seriously. The Secret Service, the Metro,
Speaker 1: DC Police, the FBI all are investigating apparently anyway. So
Speaker 1: we decided to bring these two together, James o'cafe, founder
Speaker 1: of Project Veritas, and Ryan Grimm. And James is very
Speaker 1: passionate about the fact that they're talking about two very
Speaker 1: different operations that were going on, and that Ryan Grimm
Speaker 1: is talking about another case. James, why don't you explain
Speaker 1: it in your own words? Thank you Sean for having
Speaker 1: me on. This is pretty straightforward that these these individuals
Speaker 1: met with our journalists at a restaurant in DC after
Speaker 1: two months of developing relationships with them, and they told
Speaker 1: us that they wanted to put acid in the event shafts.
Speaker 1: They talked about how they want to harm people with
Speaker 1: cold water from the sprinklers being set off. They went
Speaker 1: on to talk about other plans involving chains on metro trains,
Speaker 1: punching people in the throat, and generally calls causing it
Speaker 1: what they call a cluster f We established relationships with
Speaker 1: them over the course of a few weeks, and after
Speaker 1: this meeting on December eighteenth, they sent a number of
Speaker 1: follow up mails where they see seeds not only are
Speaker 1: are undercover journalists, but all the other people involved. They
Speaker 1: were literally a hundred people involved in these group training
Speaker 1: sessions and discussions in shutting down the inaugural events. So
Speaker 1: the notion of a reverse sting in this case with
Speaker 1: these individuals disrupt j twenty Scott Greene and Colin Dunn
Speaker 1: and Luke con is utterly implausible, not just to me,
Speaker 1: but to the FBI, the Secret Service, and the counter
Speaker 1: Terrorism Test Unit, who as I speak is meeting discussing
Speaker 1: this and and we've confirmed much of the information they
Speaker 1: already had. Ryan, are you talking about a separate sting operation?
Speaker 1: I think so, And I don't get the opportunity to
Speaker 1: say this very often, so I want to. I want
Speaker 1: to take it right here. I completely agree with James
Speaker 1: O'Keeffe what he is describing as a separate um operation.
Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, I wasn't when I
Speaker 1: wrote my story about the counter sting, I wasn't even
Speaker 1: actually even aware that that he was sticking this this
Speaker 1: other group, this j twenty uh you know, group of
Speaker 1: whatever you'd call a manner because and communists who are
Speaker 1: who are planning to disrupt the convention. So James is
Speaker 1: James is absolutely correct. So actually are you praising James
Speaker 1: O'Keefe's work here, Hey, uh, take it for take it
Speaker 1: for Awarstown. By the way, is this the same Ryan
Speaker 1: Grimm that constantly took shots at me after I had
Speaker 1: you as a guest on this program? Is that the
Speaker 1: same guy? You? Sure it's you? Are you drinking today?
Speaker 1: Why did I ever take a shot at you? Sean?
Speaker 1: I I have, I have missed you greatly since I
Speaker 1: uh since I was last on now. But so look,
Speaker 1: I think then what you're saying is what I guess
Speaker 1: James and I agree on here. If you're talking about
Speaker 1: putting acid in the hv a C ducks, if you're
Speaker 1: talking about burning down people's homes, if you're talking about
Speaker 1: tying chains to trains in the d C railway and
Speaker 1: you're talking about blocking bridges and you're talking about we'll
Speaker 1: go to war. That is something that you wouldn't support
Speaker 1: at the Huffington Post or personally. Yeah, that's right. I
Speaker 1: mean I do think we want to be careful about
Speaker 1: kind of undermining the you know what people who have Well,
Speaker 1: let me then ask you the follow up question. Do
Speaker 1: you think James O'Keefe did good work here? Then? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think this is this is probably good work.
Speaker 1: I think my only my only criticism of it, and
Speaker 1: I think it I think it is good work. I
Speaker 1: think he went in there and he I think he
Speaker 1: probably did accurately, uh, you know, expose what was going
Speaker 1: on there. My only criticism would be it's a group
Speaker 1: called Disrupt the Inauguration or whatever the name is, Disrupt
Speaker 1: J twenty. Like they're very publicly saying that they're going
Speaker 1: to engage in direct action, which is lefty code word
Speaker 1: for civil disobedience, breaking breaking laws in order to get arrested,
Speaker 1: in order to create a disturbance and try to shut
Speaker 1: down whatever operations going on. So I do think he
Speaker 1: did good work. I think it's interesting to see the
Speaker 1: inner workings of a group like this is there a possibility,
Speaker 1: But I don't think it exposed any hypocrisy, if you
Speaker 1: know what I mean is is there a possibility because
Speaker 1: of his work lives could be saved? Lives could be saved,
Speaker 1: well maybe right, or injuries prevented. Let's let's all hope right. Well, James,
Speaker 1: I didn't particularly expect that from Ryan Grim today. I
Speaker 1: expected a big argument in a five that goes my
Speaker 1: whole show. But we can talk about the other one
Speaker 1: if you wanted. Well, we'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1: What's your reaction to what what Ryan saying? James, I'm
Speaker 1: not surprised, Joan. I think that I think that I
Speaker 1: don't know Ryan. I haven't met I haven't spoken to
Speaker 1: Ryan since he's been on his program. But I think
Speaker 1: any self respecting report looking at the evidence here, we've
Speaker 1: laid out the evidence the FBI, Secret Service and members
Speaker 1: of the d C Metro Police were when when we
Speaker 1: met with them. And I have some a little bit
Speaker 1: of news to report on your show, Sean that the U. S.
Speaker 1: Attorney's Office called our attorney late last night, and my
Speaker 1: attorney again met with um this Terrorism Joint Task Force
Speaker 1: today and they told us that um that they're that
Speaker 1: they're revisiting the matter, and um they're analyzing the tape.
Speaker 1: And they also said to us, which Ryan now agrees with,
Speaker 1: this was definitely not a counter sting. They looked at
Speaker 1: the body language, they looked at the evidence that the
Speaker 1: emails to them. This was not even close to a
Speaker 1: counter sting. This is certainly something they were all planning.
Speaker 1: So I'm not shocked by Ryan's agreement. It is clear
Speaker 1: these guys are planning this, and you might see and
Speaker 1: arrest made. You might, you know, as your attorney put
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, look, I would not be surprised
Speaker 1: at some point of a group wants to do a
Speaker 1: reverse thing on you, James, because of the work that
Speaker 1: you've done and the success you've had and the people
Speaker 1: you've exposed. And I could see that happening anytime. But
Speaker 1: you know the fact that you know all of this information,
Speaker 1: that these people were known by law enforcement, as you said,
Speaker 1: and the things that they're talking about, there's nothing funny here.
Speaker 1: There's what I'm hearing here is a bunch of anarchists plotting,
Speaker 1: scheming and planning to bring not just disruption, but potential
Speaker 1: harm to people. And you know, I know liberals maybe
Speaker 1: have a different philosophical belief to me, but I was
Speaker 1: the one that always said during the Obama years, we
Speaker 1: have got to protect our president, we have got to
Speaker 1: protect our our elected officials. And I really really think
Speaker 1: I believe in the peaceful transfer of power, um. And
Speaker 1: I think these threats now exists equally for Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: And that scares me too, because we've got, as I've
Speaker 1: said old during the years, protect these guys. Well. They
Speaker 1: they did. When we met with the government, they did.
Speaker 1: They said they were aware that they were that these
Speaker 1: individuals leg book care for Luke Coon or their names
Speaker 1: leg But talked about changing the trains, Luke Coon, talked
Speaker 1: about burning houses down and putting acid in the in
Speaker 1: the chafts. They were. The FBI was aware that they
Speaker 1: were actually planning these activities. They were aware of this,
Speaker 1: and they thanked us. And I'm going to quote the
Speaker 1: brief here. Our information was deemed quote helpful and quote
Speaker 1: confirmed some of the intelligence these agents had already received.
Speaker 1: Had to hear that, all right, So let's go journalism.
Speaker 1: It confirms and corroborates with the law enforcement agents, and
Speaker 1: I could be creating the greatest partnership in the history
Speaker 1: of media with James O'Keeffe and the huffing and post.
Speaker 1: But all right, so what is your complaint Ryan about
Speaker 1: this other issue or the other countersting article you were
Speaker 1: writing about. Well, I didn't. I didn't have a Actually,
Speaker 1: if we want to bring a little conflict into the
Speaker 1: first one and salve, it's that part of it. By
Speaker 1: the way, I'm only listen if people are safe because
Speaker 1: of this, I'm really happy. I would I would quival
Speaker 1: with the throat punching thing like James. James may not
Speaker 1: know this, but throat punching is it's kind of a
Speaker 1: word that like ninety pound guys used to like pretend
Speaker 1: that they're going to annoy somebody, like let's let's go
Speaker 1: do some throat punching. They're not These are anybody who
Speaker 1: says that they're going to throat punch something punched anybody.
Speaker 1: But if you if you add that to burning down people,
Speaker 1: sure you gotta put it in this context. So what
Speaker 1: is your disagreement? So I didn't, Well, just to suggest
Speaker 1: that this ninety pound kid was actually going to punch
Speaker 1: somebody in the throat, that that was my only disagreement.
Speaker 1: But you know, he's on tape saying it, so it's
Speaker 1: you know, no, no fault of James is there. That's
Speaker 1: that's the only context I would add on the on this,
Speaker 1: on this, on the separate one, I don't. I didn't
Speaker 1: really have any uh any complaint with anything that um
Speaker 1: Project Verry Toss was doing. But this, this was a
Speaker 1: really fascinating little situation where you had, and I presume
Speaker 1: Alison Moss was recording the exchange as well the Project
Speaker 1: Verry Toss operative. You had two people sitting at a
Speaker 1: restaurant filming each other, each one trying to get the
Speaker 1: other to say incriminating things so that they could expose
Speaker 1: the other. All right, stop right there, Hang on, James,
Speaker 1: do you agree with that assessment or no? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's generally true. Allison is one of our reporters.
Speaker 1: She she was actually she was, Yes, she was wearing
Speaker 1: a hidden camera, but she was just asking questions about
Speaker 1: what do you guys had planned? You know, she was
Speaker 1: acting like Ryan would act if Ryan was at the
Speaker 1: huffing and post this. By the way, what we're talking
Speaker 1: about now is a completely separate thing, a completely separate group.
Speaker 1: A few weeks ago that that Ryan uncovered last QUI,
Speaker 1: did you did she offer money to shut down a bridge?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, absolutely not. This is a cat and mouse
Speaker 1: that wasn't Ryan's peace. All right, we'll pick it up
Speaker 1: there when we get back. Eight hundred nine for one
Speaker 1: Shan James O'Keeffe and Ryan Grimm. Eight hundred nine for
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Speaker 1: the hour, we continue our discussion from the last half hour.
Speaker 1: James O'Keeffe, the founder of Project Veritas, Ryan Grimm, who
Speaker 1: is the Washington bureau chief of the Huffing The Post.
Speaker 1: I was expecting a big fight in the last hour
Speaker 1: based on an article that Grimm had written in the
Speaker 1: Huffing Them post. But we're able to all come to
Speaker 1: agreement that James O'Keeffe's work about this disrupt j twenty
Speaker 1: group that he got on tape talking about things like
Speaker 1: chaining train cars at the station at the DC Metro
Speaker 1: and shutting down the entire train transportation system in d
Speaker 1: C and stopping people from going over bridges and dropping
Speaker 1: acid in the hv A C system and burning down
Speaker 1: people's homes and going to war with people. Even Ryan
Speaker 1: Grimm thinks that this was pretty good work, which is
Speaker 1: pretty interesting. And then it led to a wider discussion
Speaker 1: about journalism in America today. And if you look at
Speaker 1: the approval ratings of journalism and the mainstream media in particular, Ryan,
Speaker 1: what do we see. We see that they are Their
Speaker 1: believability and trustworthiness is at an all time low. We
Speaker 1: learned through wiki leaks that there was massive collusion from
Speaker 1: many networks and many publications with the Hillary Clinton campaign,
Speaker 1: even the right to edit pieces in the New York
Speaker 1: Times or Politico or questions fed to Hillary before town
Speaker 1: hall events. And it gets worse from there. You know,
Speaker 1: we saw Matha Rabbit's crying she had moderated a debate
Speaker 1: once it was announced that Donald Trump became president, John
Speaker 1: Harwood bragging that he got under Trump's skin and and
Speaker 1: he obviously had a bias, and all of this was revealed.
Speaker 1: And I think this is now the state of new journalism.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I would include the Huffing a
Speaker 1: Post in this and Matt Drudge and the Drudge Report.
Speaker 1: And then we've got Project Veritas that in many ways
Speaker 1: has gone back to old style journalism, which is going
Speaker 1: undercover and and breaking stories the way they have and
Speaker 1: had a big impact in the election, and it's having
Speaker 1: a big impact now. And then there's people that hate
Speaker 1: talk radio like Obama, and hate the Fox News Channel
Speaker 1: like Obama. And Obama attacked me by name at least
Speaker 1: a dozen times. And then you have your colleagues in
Speaker 1: the mainstream media. I don't consider you mainstream though, Ryan,
Speaker 1: to be honest, they consider you a compliment. Well, I
Speaker 1: consider you pretty hard left. I mean your paper everyone's
Speaker 1: talking about or online Huffing and Post was talking about
Speaker 1: how Donald Trump's not a legitimately elected president. That's ridiculous
Speaker 1: to me. But you have an opinion, you have a readership,
Speaker 1: you have I guess a constituency that you're appealing to,
Speaker 1: and you have every right to do. Appreciate that, and
Speaker 1: maybe Obama will change his opinion now that he's in
Speaker 1: retirement and has more time to listen to talk radio
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. And I tend to think he's got
Speaker 1: better things to do than listen to me talk about
Speaker 1: how horrific is eight years about h Well, I can
Speaker 1: give you the statistics. I can give you the statistics,
Speaker 1: but I guess look, let's go back to sixty minutes
Speaker 1: for just a second. James O'Keefe, you remember Mike Wallace.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know Chris and Mike Wallace was probably
Speaker 1: the best at it. Sixty minutes built their reputation doing
Speaker 1: this on a regular basis. And now, yes, yes, Sean,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm very young. I was born in the
Speaker 1: mid eighties, but yes, I remember my I've looked at
Speaker 1: the videos. I've read history because I'm i and I
Speaker 1: read the history of journalism. I see that they used
Speaker 1: to confront corporate ceo as they used to go in.
Speaker 1: Some called it yellow journalism, but they used to go
Speaker 1: in and they used to make people shake in their
Speaker 1: boots and there and they're just hasn't been that happen
Speaker 1: over the last eight years. And Sean, I've been on
Speaker 1: your program a number of times. I've been served criminal
Speaker 1: grand jury subpoenas. I've been harassed by my government. Eric
Speaker 1: Holder came after me after we did the voter fraud
Speaker 1: in New Hampshire. I can tell you story after story
Speaker 1: about power coming after us, but I would go a
Speaker 1: step further than than than you know what Ryan said
Speaker 1: about you said. Ryan has opinionated in his journalism. At Veritas,
Speaker 1: we don't even state opinions. We just show things. We
Speaker 1: show the reality. And you have to take this stuff
Speaker 1: because no one would believe me otherwise. I don't editorialize,
Speaker 1: I don't use adjectives to describe things. And the American
Speaker 1: people are upset at journalists in my opinion, because they
Speaker 1: read these articles and they're so planted. They use flowery
Speaker 1: language describe events. Barratas just goes in and films and stuff,
Speaker 1: and we let people speak in their own words, and
Speaker 1: we need more. And don't you usually also release the
Speaker 1: unedited version as well on your website. Yeah, we sometimes do.
Speaker 1: Sometimes we have to be careful about revealing our undercover
Speaker 1: people are revealing our sources, but no journalists in their
Speaker 1: right mind. This is another way they hold me to
Speaker 1: a higher standard releases their full raw notebooks. If they did,
Speaker 1: if The New York Times did, if CNN did, if
Speaker 1: CBS did, you would see a different story. That's why
Speaker 1: Katie Kurt got sued for defamation when she edited that
Speaker 1: video where they showed the gun people reacting and they
Speaker 1: were all quiet and confused. When you look at the raw,
Speaker 1: they immediately responded. So journalists cut and edit and mince
Speaker 1: words and used hyperbole, by the way, you know, cuts
Speaker 1: every interview up as sixty minutes. They never air the
Speaker 1: entire interviews. Sometimes they'll add it now to sixty minutes
Speaker 1: online other parts, but it's still edited, and I usually
Speaker 1: try to do I try to do sometime for the
Speaker 1: constraints of time, I have to cut this with that out,
Speaker 1: but I try and air my interviews as they are.
Speaker 1: People want people want access to raw, unfiltered information, and
Speaker 1: social media is allowing that to happen. That's why Facebook
Speaker 1: and Twitter the market share right now. And and we're
Speaker 1: not yet at the tipping point, but we're reaching a
Speaker 1: tipping point where at some point people are just gonna
Speaker 1: say I don't believe you to the television, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna go right. They want to see the raw information.
Speaker 1: That's why Veritas is successful. But Sean, you and I
Speaker 1: both know that many mainstream media platforms are scared to
Speaker 1: give to give air to these stories because they're just
Speaker 1: that effective. Listen, I get I get in trouble just
Speaker 1: for putting you on the air. I mean, I get
Speaker 1: people don't. My audience doesn't particularly like Ryan Grimm, but
Speaker 1: I'm putting him on the air. Ryan, why didn't you
Speaker 1: when your story came out the countersting catches James O'Keefe
Speaker 1: network attempting to so chaos a Trump's inauguration. The stinger
Speaker 1: gets stung when you put that out, and then you
Speaker 1: saw the way it was being interpreted. Why didn't you
Speaker 1: speak out how his story was being misconstrued in the
Speaker 1: public and that this was a separate issue and a
Speaker 1: separate example. Well, the first time hearing that these were
Speaker 1: presumed to be the same thing is you're not hearing
Speaker 1: it for the first time. You know what the subject
Speaker 1: matter was before you came on the air and we talked, No, no,
Speaker 1: I know the subject matter. I didn't know that people
Speaker 1: were conflating the j twenty and the whatever you would
Speaker 1: want to call the other one that I wrote about,
Speaker 1: the the the A T A as as I understand it,
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. It came out your your
Speaker 1: latest one came out on Monday? Is that right? Right?
Speaker 1: So one day I was off Monday. Here here's where,
Speaker 1: here's why I would shown not argue. But Ryan, I
Speaker 1: think you knew that people are conflating the two. In fact,
Speaker 1: some of these corporate media n t s are using
Speaker 1: your article currently as the reason not to air the story.
Speaker 1: And the fact that you're on Shawn's program right now
Speaker 1: clearing the air saying there's a there's nothing to do
Speaker 1: with one or the other that changes the game. I
Speaker 1: agree with you that that is a game changer because
Speaker 1: I know for a fact that people were complating in
Speaker 1: the two issues. Let me let me, let me, let me,
Speaker 1: let me expand cleared that up on Twitter. If I
Speaker 1: if I thought that was let me expand this into
Speaker 1: the decision, well you do, I guess you can tweet
Speaker 1: it out right after this, but after Obama and his
Speaker 1: decision on Chelsea Manning to commute the sentence. Now again
Speaker 1: I mentioned that the Pentagon Papers some time ago. Okay,
Speaker 1: so he's going to commute the sentence. How does this
Speaker 1: impact in both of your minds Julian Assange and Wiki Leaks,
Speaker 1: which all they did was print what was handed to them.
Speaker 1: Is that any different from what the New York Times
Speaker 1: did with the Pentagon Papers? Your thoughts, Ryan Grimm? The
Speaker 1: big problem that they have always had with Julian Assangs
Speaker 1: that they called it the New York Times problem because,
Speaker 1: you know, because the New York Times were, you know,
Speaker 1: cooperated with Wiki Leaks and publishing a lot of the
Speaker 1: a lot of the manning materials, it would be very
Speaker 1: difficult for them to go after Sane without also going
Speaker 1: after the New York Times. Supposedly, you know, Assange thinks
Speaker 1: that there is a sealed indictment of him. I don't
Speaker 1: even know what the charges would be. Well, I think
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice under Loretta Lynch is said that
Speaker 1: if they did go after Julian Osans, they would have
Speaker 1: to go after other journalists, and it makes it impossible
Speaker 1: for them to do so. In other words, do you think,
Speaker 1: you know, would any other news organization have gone with us?
Speaker 1: I think history proves that they probably would have, and
Speaker 1: that the culprit, the person that broke the law, that
Speaker 1: stole the materials was Chelsea Manning. Right, so, and the sources.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody who leads classifying information is always at risk,
Speaker 1: um of of getting caught. I think, if you are
Speaker 1: presented with this information, would you have run it as
Speaker 1: an exclusive for the Huffing and Post? Yes, but no,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't run it the way that wiki Leaks ran it,
Speaker 1: which is just to kind of dump it all on
Speaker 1: the site. What I would do is I would go
Speaker 1: through it and find that the news worthy aspects. But um,
Speaker 1: I have before published um classified information, and I would
Speaker 1: do it again if I felt like it was Well,
Speaker 1: if you ever get arrested it, I honestly would do this.
Speaker 1: I will go visit you in jail and I'll bring
Speaker 1: you a cake with a file on it. I take
Speaker 1: care appreciate that. What are your thoughts on this, James o'kese,
Speaker 1: I would say there's a distinction between people stealing information
Speaker 1: like Manning did, or breaking the law criminally breaking the law,
Speaker 1: and by the way, sometimes in the like in the
Speaker 1: case of Snowden, you can be a hero and the trader.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily. You don't have to be one or
Speaker 1: the other. You can you can, you can sometimes, as
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King said, you can some laws are unjust.
Speaker 1: But he did break the law, and and some would
Speaker 1: argue was pretty heinous, and how he did. It's a
Speaker 1: distinction between breaking the law like that and just breaking
Speaker 1: information that someone else gives to you. There's a total
Speaker 1: distinction there. If someone came to me with information and
Speaker 1: I thought it was important for the public to see
Speaker 1: it and it and it didn't jeopardize that a responsibility,
Speaker 1: I would publish it, but I wouldn't go hack into
Speaker 1: the system and do all the illegal things that There
Speaker 1: is a huge distinction there, and we have to remember that.
Speaker 1: And we're talking about, well, you know, I mean this
Speaker 1: this whole charge that somehow the Russians were involved in
Speaker 1: the election, when we know they didn't hack into our
Speaker 1: voting machines and they had no impact on the voting
Speaker 1: of people. But you know, you can't get away from
Speaker 1: this aspect of the story, which is Hillary Clinton did
Speaker 1: not secure as she was required to by law, top
Speaker 1: secret information Special Access program information, and that her emails
Speaker 1: were hacked because she put a server in a mom
Speaker 1: and pop shop, bathroom closet, and we now have confirmed,
Speaker 1: I know, Fox confirmed with certainty that at least five
Speaker 1: foreign intelligence agencies had gotten into this. And everyone's all
Speaker 1: concerned about this. But in the Obama years, I doubt
Speaker 1: the having a post reported that the White House had
Speaker 1: been hacked, the d O D had been hacked, the
Speaker 1: State Department had been hacked, the I R S had
Speaker 1: been hacked. They actually broke the story that, uh, the
Speaker 1: White House had been hacked, did you? And then of
Speaker 1: course we have the Office of Personnel Management three million
Speaker 1: personal files hacked by the Chinese. Obama never discussed it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't break that one, but turned out my my
Speaker 1: wife's files were in there because she had done a
Speaker 1: clerkship that you know. There are millions and millions of
Speaker 1: people I know, But what nobody talked about that nobody
Speaker 1: that was pretty big. It really wasn't that big. If
Speaker 1: Obama didn't talk about it, that's that's tells you where
Speaker 1: his priorities are. Doesn't that suggest that talking about Russia
Speaker 1: and the case of Hillary Clinton's server and somehow they're
Speaker 1: not responsible and Russian hacking without any evidence whatsoever to
Speaker 1: confirm it there's also distinction between hacking and election and
Speaker 1: showing people's emails. Let's just let's assume Russia showed the emails.
Speaker 1: It's not hacking an election. That's like a form of
Speaker 1: transparency to show what people are doing hacking an election,
Speaker 1: like the videos in Philadelphia where they were literally telling
Speaker 1: people who to vote for the election judges, you know,
Speaker 1: and here's another people who. And then it's even worse
Speaker 1: than that because Obama, you know, used tax prayer money
Speaker 1: and tried to influence the election against our our biggest
Speaker 1: ally beb Netanyahu. And that's just a fact, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: the United States has been flipping elections, either by by
Speaker 1: force or by other other settlement means of influence for
Speaker 1: more than a hundred years, that's for sure. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: nobody really paid attention to that except for people like me.
Speaker 1: Were pretty mad about a lot of those. And I
Speaker 1: know it bothers Ryan to no end that this show
Speaker 1: is as popular as it is and Hannity the TV
Speaker 1: show happier. You're such a liar. You're such a liar.
Speaker 1: I used to say, do you say hi to Ariana
Speaker 1: for me? But she's not there anymore? Is she off?
Speaker 1: They hie to her for you. Now she's not, she's
Speaker 1: she has moved on to bigger and better things. Well,
Speaker 1: I still like Arianna. She's nuts, but I like her.
Speaker 1: And now she's talking about well, if Donald Trump slept
Speaker 1: eight hours a day, he'd be doing so much better
Speaker 1: in the next thing four years. All Right, you know what,
Speaker 1: this turned into something totally unexpected, but I think a
Speaker 1: very worthwhile conversation, and you both contributed a lot to it.
Speaker 1: Thank you both, Ryan, Welcome back, James. I think today's
Speaker 1: a vindication day for you and good for you. Thank
Speaker 1: you for the work you're doing. I hope that lives
Speaker 1: are saved as a result of that work. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Stay right here for our final news round up and
Speaker 1: information overload in the final hour of the Sean Hannity Show. Okay,
Speaker 1: the front, they're already plucked the whole front, which means
Speaker 1: it's already funk. Hotel is already shut down. I think
Speaker 1: what we should do is we should run up. They're
Speaker 1: gonna peak out, but we're just going up to the Derreka.
Speaker 1: We're not gonna find already run Donald Trump, Donald Trump, no,
Speaker 1: k k K, don't pass you kak al Right. News
Speaker 1: round up and information overload. Our here on the Sean
Speaker 1: Hannity Show that was at the Trump Hotel in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. It's our snowflake snowstorm update. You got the
Speaker 1: group Anonymous now calling on followers to actually attack Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: The group has declared a total war on Trump. Uh.
Speaker 1: They did this ahead of the election last year. They're
Speaker 1: calling on supporters to look from Reveal for any information
Speaker 1: they can find. You're going to regret. They threatened the
Speaker 1: next four years. Really anyway, they are urging followers to
Speaker 1: investigate his past shady connections ahead of this inauguration week
Speaker 1: and then the allegations are in substantiated, not exactly clear
Speaker 1: that they'll take it, but put it. They put out
Speaker 1: a call to arms, go get him. It's your duty
Speaker 1: as adults. We have the resources, use them. The threat
Speaker 1: came after Trump tweeted out that the outgoing c i
Speaker 1: A Chief John Brennan couldn't do much worse. Just look
Speaker 1: at the red line in Crimea and Ukraine and the
Speaker 1: build up of Russian nukes. It's not wood Anonymous, by
Speaker 1: the way. It's involved in hacking, collecting and all that
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Anyway, they have made good on threats
Speaker 1: to Trump in the past. After declaring war with the
Speaker 1: President elect. In March of sixteen, the series of leaks
Speaker 1: purporting to be from Trump's phone were spread online and
Speaker 1: the information included voicemails and telephone numbers. At the same time,
Speaker 1: unverified personal details, et cetera were of close aids were
Speaker 1: posted online. And then of course in the group brought
Speaker 1: down the Trump Tower New York website after Trump for
Speaker 1: brief period and leaked personal further voicemails of his rhetoric
Speaker 1: towards Muslims. That's just one group. And of course we
Speaker 1: have the latest O'Keefe video planning to blockade the Trump inauguration,
Speaker 1: and of course John Kerry he's not going to the inauguration.
Speaker 1: We're now up to sixty plus Democrats that are not going. Uh.
Speaker 1: Then we have Chuck Schumer I respect where the inauguration
Speaker 1: boycotters are coming from. They have so many there have
Speaker 1: been so many irregularities. Washington Post never Trump. Republicans are
Speaker 1: whining about not getting a job at the House. Why
Speaker 1: would they hire you if you don't support what they're doing?
Speaker 1: Now you just want a job. You think it's your
Speaker 1: due to get a job, and Ram Paul actually said
Speaker 1: somebody should go to jail for the Trump intel leaks. CNN.
Speaker 1: Of course, we've got great debate battles going on there
Speaker 1: with one of their host I guess contributors suggesting that
Speaker 1: people that support Trump that happened to be black Americans
Speaker 1: or mediocre negros. Sheriff David Clark had to weigh in
Speaker 1: on that and fired back at that stupid comment, ignorant comment,
Speaker 1: Robert Reich's weight in. And then you've got Josh Ernest
Speaker 1: making an unsubstantiated claim against Congressman Tom Price, who is
Speaker 1: slated to be the Health and Human Services secretary anyway.
Speaker 1: Joining us now, Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson is with us,
Speaker 1: author of the book bestseller Dereliction of Duty and eye
Speaker 1: witness account of how Bill Clinton compromised America's national security.
Speaker 1: Gary Byrne, a decorated White House Secret Service veteran who
Speaker 1: witnessed a lot of the obscenity filled rages and violent
Speaker 1: behavior at the Clinton White House. He wrote the book
Speaker 1: Crisis of Character, a White House Secret Service officer discloses
Speaker 1: his firsthand experience with Hillary Bill and how they operate.
Speaker 1: Welcome both of you to the program. Gary, I'll start
Speaker 1: with you and think back to your capacity of being
Speaker 1: outside the Oval Office for all those years when Bill
Speaker 1: Clinton was president. The Secret Service is referring to this
Speaker 1: inauguration as as the most unique in terms of threats
Speaker 1: that they've ever experienced. Do you see that? Yeah? I do, Sean.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's nice to be with you again.
Speaker 1: And I worked three inaugural fliers in the Second Service
Speaker 1: Uniform Division, two for President Clinton and one for George W.
Speaker 1: And they're they're they all have some similarities, which they're
Speaker 1: always very large. Um. Two of the most important things
Speaker 1: that you know about the inaugurals is during the same
Speaker 1: place every four years. But that also gives the Secret
Speaker 1: Service of the advantage of they've done this many times. Um,
Speaker 1: them and their partners with the FBI and other law enforcements.
Speaker 1: You know, they'll have to direct together, believe me, but
Speaker 1: it is it is a huge hand. Well, this is
Speaker 1: a massive undertaking. I mean, I've I've got to assume
Speaker 1: you need a literally a bubble created, a three hundred
Speaker 1: sixty degree bubble where anybody that wants to get inside
Speaker 1: that bubble needs to be checked. Is that possible? Yes,
Speaker 1: it is from the White House all the way up
Speaker 1: to the capital, about two or three blocks left in
Speaker 1: right of that that path will be closed off, pretty
Speaker 1: much like the security you would need to get into
Speaker 1: an airport. Well what if what if somebody? And I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking out of the box here because these
Speaker 1: sounds like this sounds like real threats by real people.
Speaker 1: And look, I know a lot of people discussed this
Speaker 1: one when Obama came in office, President Obama and and
Speaker 1: and people thought about the threat assessment then. And now
Speaker 1: we've got these people that are opening openly threatening Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: What does that mean for the Secret Service? And what
Speaker 1: if somebody, God forbid snuck a gun in already? Right,
Speaker 1: all those things you're talking about are possible, not likely.
Speaker 1: But here's one thing that there are threats. Do get
Speaker 1: to speak a service now? That gives them reason to
Speaker 1: go and start interviewing them. Right now, both speeds at
Speaker 1: are pulling people, you know, uh, figuring they already know
Speaker 1: who a lot of these people are, start pulling them aside,
Speaker 1: start interviewing them, and uh, and maybe they can actually
Speaker 1: beating with some of this stuff now because that they
Speaker 1: were open threats. Okay from your position, Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson.
Speaker 1: To me, this is a massive undertaking and a great
Speaker 1: risk for everybody. Well, it definitely is on. And I
Speaker 1: was in the inauguration and also in the parade back
Speaker 1: to the White House, and I remember how massive it
Speaker 1: was back in those days. There are probably today about
Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand security officers and officials that are working
Speaker 1: this secret Service guys, FBI, Park Police, Capital Police, National Guard.
Speaker 1: Is actually what they call the Multi Agency Command Center
Speaker 1: of the MAC, which has all these agencies there in
Speaker 1: the room communicating with each other while this goes on.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a massive, huge pot print, a massive undertaking,
Speaker 1: and I do believe this is a very unique one
Speaker 1: in terms of the threat that done on some faces.
Speaker 1: I have no have no doubt, however, whatsoever, that the
Speaker 1: Sickeret Service guys, the FBI, they've all done their job.
Speaker 1: They're doing their digital right as we speak. Their space
Speaker 1: over the Washington is used to be closed on Friday.
Speaker 1: They won't beat the way anybody can can get from
Speaker 1: the air or on the ground in my estimation. All right,
Speaker 1: so do you think that this is a different time
Speaker 1: and do you think the threat that that they're talking
Speaker 1: about openly. Do you do you view this as a real,
Speaker 1: clear present danger. Do you think it's any don't you
Speaker 1: think every president is facing this threat? Now I think
Speaker 1: it's a little different this time because one of the
Speaker 1: things that we've got three of us know but we
Speaker 1: just haven't discussed yet here is in the last eight years,
Speaker 1: President Obama has gone out of his way to reduce
Speaker 1: the respect the best way to put it here, to
Speaker 1: reduce the respect of law enforcement. Now you've got thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands of anarchists who don't really respect to law
Speaker 1: enforcement like they used to. They think it's okay to
Speaker 1: attack them, and that will play into what we see
Speaker 1: happen on in our room. Explain what you mean by
Speaker 1: that a little more detail. So you know when President
Speaker 1: one of the first things to happen when President Obama
Speaker 1: took office was this friend of his that was a
Speaker 1: professor got arrested for destroying private property and he was
Speaker 1: arrested by the police. And the first thing that the
Speaker 1: President Obama said was the police officer did something stupid
Speaker 1: because he knew this guy, which is incredibly, uh, kind
Speaker 1: of silly to say. And then later on we saw
Speaker 1: President Obama. Whenever you know, something happened with uh, somebody
Speaker 1: getting shot, an African American getting shot, they right away
Speaker 1: they took the side of the of the so called victim,
Speaker 1: and they basically attacked a law enforcement, law enforcements to
Speaker 1: aggressive law enforcements. This law enforcement does the best they
Speaker 1: can with the tools they have, and then nine nine
Speaker 1: percent of the time they get it right. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: it's that one percent of the time I guess that
Speaker 1: we've got to worry about. And I even't even mentioned
Speaker 1: radical Islamic terrorism. And I'm sure desire by isis to
Speaker 1: take this moment where we have a change in government
Speaker 1: and the peaceful transfer of power and use it to
Speaker 1: their advantage if they see one. Yeah, I have to say,
Speaker 1: also shown that there's also a lot of programs in
Speaker 1: place that exists around the clock to the White House
Speaker 1: and the President that are already there existing in terms
Speaker 1: of having hospitals on alert, will be evacuation roots planned, um,
Speaker 1: they'll have helicopter pix wing assets on alert around the
Speaker 1: area to get Mr Trump, President TRUP out of harm's
Speaker 1: relation that come to that. So this is not unusual
Speaker 1: that we have high security around the president. President Trump,
Speaker 1: I think is an usual um uh protected as it were.
Speaker 1: But that's what we reassure everybody to ate. A lot
Speaker 1: of presidents when a lot of presidents, when they are
Speaker 1: in the inaugural parade after they've taken the oath of
Speaker 1: office and they go down Pennsylvania Avenue, a lot of
Speaker 1: them over the years get out of the car for
Speaker 1: a period of time and they walk. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: part of the motorcade is there's a there's a point
Speaker 1: there where the Secret Service they've already told the president
Speaker 1: there's a point if you want to get out of
Speaker 1: the car, this is where you can get out. And
Speaker 1: they've taken some some um security. So in other words,
Speaker 1: that would be a predetermined area, absolutely, and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the secured area close to the band stands because
Speaker 1: the standard they bet because that stands. That's not just
Speaker 1: a bunch of bleachers. The colonel can tell you that
Speaker 1: it takes about a month to build it and it's
Speaker 1: like a regular structure. It's just temporary. This is something
Speaker 1: that maybe I shouldn't even ask, but I'll ask anyway.
Speaker 1: Would this be an event where the president and the
Speaker 1: incoming president the outgoing president would probably be wearing a vest,
Speaker 1: you know what their shift leaders and themselves for that
Speaker 1: particular day. It depends what protecting they are. Yeah, were
Speaker 1: exactly right. It was always situational in my time, they're
Speaker 1: shown him a situational the president, President Clitt in this
Speaker 1: case would take the advice of the of the of
Speaker 1: the lead and where what he did on Occasionally my
Speaker 1: time there were one I would I would probably advocate
Speaker 1: that in the situation. Yeah, and that is there is
Speaker 1: there a possible Is there such a vest design now
Speaker 1: that nobody would even know you had it on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're they're pretty good with that. Actually, I just
Speaker 1: got I just got the chance to stop too long
Speaker 1: ago to look at some some modern um. The president
Speaker 1: has access to the latest stuff nowadays. What they're wearing
Speaker 1: is the state of the yard. It is dinner and
Speaker 1: it will stop rifle ball. So yeah, it's out there, absolutely,
Speaker 1: But then that doesn't stop a headshot. Doesn't know it
Speaker 1: does not, and that's where the Secret Service comes in
Speaker 1: and so scared. But all we're talking about here so scary.
Speaker 1: When I just read to you what Anonymous and all
Speaker 1: these other groups are doing, you know what does that
Speaker 1: due to your antenna because it puts my TenneT through
Speaker 1: the roof. Well, for me, it's just been it would
Speaker 1: be another day of the office. I mean that's what
Speaker 1: the Secret Service and the FBI and their partners. They're
Speaker 1: doing this. This is what they go through every day.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't want to make it sound a
Speaker 1: lack of datable or or or I'll bet I'm laid
Speaker 1: back about it, but it's the it's the threat. Just
Speaker 1: like what the colonel had to do with what his
Speaker 1: job was at the White House. I mean he might
Speaker 1: have had to run up there with those codes and
Speaker 1: and help the president launch an attack. It's just what
Speaker 1: the job is, all right, guys, I want to thank
Speaker 1: you both our thoughts and prayers, and I said, there's
Speaker 1: many times during the Obama years to my thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 1: We must protect our elected officials. And what I'm reading
Speaker 1: sounds pretty scary every day. But if I win, I
Speaker 1: am going to instruct my Attorney General to get a
Speaker 1: special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has
Speaker 1: never been so many lies, so much deception, there has
Speaker 1: never been anything like it, and we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: special prosecutor. When I speak I go out and speak.
Speaker 1: The people of the country are furious. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: the people that have been long term workers at the
Speaker 1: FBI are furious. There has never been anything like this
Speaker 1: where emails and you get a subpoena, You get a subpoena,
Speaker 1: and after getting the subpoena, you delete thirty three thousand
Speaker 1: emails and then you ascid wash him or bleach him,
Speaker 1: as you would say. So we're gonna get a special
Speaker 1: prosecutor and we're gonna look into it, because you know
Speaker 1: what people have been Their lives have been destroyed for
Speaker 1: doing one fifth of what you've done. And it's a
Speaker 1: disgrace and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of you.
Speaker 1: That's old Senator Cane last night. If either of our
Speaker 1: sons in the military handled classified information the same way
Speaker 1: Secretary Clinton did, they'd be court martials. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the hard truth of all this. And the American people
Speaker 1: are tired of You saw the man with a picture
Speaker 1: of the submarine. His mother goes around, she's devastated, devastated
Speaker 1: took pictures of a submarine. They took the kid who
Speaker 1: wanted some use of the submarine. That's an old submarine.
Speaker 1: They got plenty of pictures of the enemy. Wats them,
Speaker 1: They've got plenty of them. He wanted them, took a
Speaker 1: couple of pictures. They put him in jail for a year.
Speaker 1: I saw his mother the other night on television. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, folks, we've never been in a situation
Speaker 1: like this. Why didn't they protect a kid has taken
Speaker 1: a couple of pictures of a submarine that's an old submarine,
Speaker 1: and they put him in jail. They put him in jail.
Speaker 1: Lovely family, lovely mother. They put him in jail because
Speaker 1: he wanted to have some remembrance of where he worked.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear, Chelsea Manning has served a tough prison sense.
Speaker 1: So the notion that the average person who was thinking
Speaker 1: about disclosing vital classified information would think that it goes unpunished,
Speaker 1: I don't think would get that impression from the sentence
Speaker 1: that Chelsea Manning has served. It has been my view that,
Speaker 1: given she went to trial, that due process was carried out,
Speaker 1: that she took responsibility for her crime, that the sentence
Speaker 1: that she received was very disproportional, disproportionate relative to what
Speaker 1: uh other leakers had received. Really so Manning was convicted
Speaker 1: of stealing and distributing SEVENFOD military documents, which was published
Speaker 1: both by Wiki Leaks and The New York Times and others.
Speaker 1: But Manning is the one that stole them, and that
Speaker 1: sentence was community. And then Donald Trump was talking about,
Speaker 1: of course, Christian Saucier, and he got a one year
Speaker 1: federal prison term because he was proud that he worked
Speaker 1: in a submarine and for his own private personal use,
Speaker 1: he took six pictures inside the submarine. And by the way,
Speaker 1: other sailors had done the same thing and nothing happened
Speaker 1: to them, or they got a slight slap on the wrist.
Speaker 1: And this guy is now in jail while his mother
Speaker 1: and his wife and his baby girl waiting for Daddy
Speaker 1: to get out of prison. Six pictures of a submarine. Really.
Speaker 1: Kathleen Saucier is the mother of Christian Saucier, the U. S.
Speaker 1: Navy sailor, and Dr Jeff Atticott is the director of
Speaker 1: the Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary's University School
Speaker 1: of Lawn, San Antonio, and he took up Christian's case
Speaker 1: pro bono because he feels that Christian Saucier is experiencing
Speaker 1: an injustice at the hands of the U. S. Military
Speaker 1: and government. Kathleen, I'm just assuming you're wishing that this
Speaker 1: at least commutation, but hopefully a pardon was given to
Speaker 1: your own son. Absolutely, and I'm grateful that you had
Speaker 1: both of us on because um, Jeffrey has supported and
Speaker 1: taken on the fight along with Ron, who you met
Speaker 1: the last time we were on, and he submitted a
Speaker 1: pardon request to the president administration, President Obama. We understand
Speaker 1: there's time constraints and things like that, but hearing this
Speaker 1: news about Chelsea Manning as well as General Cartwright today
Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm sure there's to be even more
Speaker 1: today and tomorrow, it just shocks me. It disgusts me.
Speaker 1: As you said, to hear seven fifty thousand that she
Speaker 1: admitted she was wrong, she accepted responsibility. Those are all
Speaker 1: the same things that my son did. He said, Okay, look,
Speaker 1: I took six photos, never transmitted them, never anything like that.
Speaker 1: And he's sitting in Have you have you heard it
Speaker 1: all from the White House since you submitted this application
Speaker 1: for a pardon pardon? I have not personally, but I'll
Speaker 1: let Jeffrey Atticott speak. Jeffrey, has anybody heard from the
Speaker 1: White House and now since Obama now has commuted one thousand,
Speaker 1: three d eighty five sentences, more than any president in
Speaker 1: the history of the country, and has granted two d
Speaker 1: and twelve pardons. Have you heard anything in this case, No,
Speaker 1: not yet. That we have two petitions we submitted one
Speaker 1: for clemency and the other four pardon and to get
Speaker 1: a pardon, of course, you have to also submit a
Speaker 1: request for a waiver. We haven't heard anything. Of course,
Speaker 1: in a bureaucracy. Uh. You know, I didn't really expect
Speaker 1: to hear anything, did you Do you have anybody on
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill that is pleading your case for you? Well,
Speaker 1: we're reaching out to everybody, and that's why we're very
Speaker 1: grateful Sean be on your show, because it's a matter
Speaker 1: of putting his tastes on the fast track where somebody
Speaker 1: in the Trump administration picks up the phone to the
Speaker 1: parton Attorney's office and says, you know, I want this
Speaker 1: on my desk in two weeks so I can make
Speaker 1: a determination. Uh. I was a military officer. I was
Speaker 1: the senior legal advisor to all the United States Army
Speaker 1: Special Force of the Green Braves. Twenty years in the military,
Speaker 1: so I know what classification is and what deece on
Speaker 1: the seriousness of these types of matters, but in this case,
Speaker 1: it's a gross injustice. What happened to the sailor and
Speaker 1: we all know the reason that it happened. He was
Speaker 1: a He was, you know, put on the altar of
Speaker 1: political correctness because the FBI was being criticized along with
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, that they were doing nothing about
Speaker 1: Clinton's classified issues. So they held him out and they said, oh, really,
Speaker 1: we are concerned with classified stuff. They took this caste
Speaker 1: from the Navy who had jurisdiction and they crucified him. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And Kathleen, when Donald Trump talked about that, that was
Speaker 1: the night or was the day after you had appeared
Speaker 1: my television program. He had watched it on my show
Speaker 1: and even asked me about it at one point. And
Speaker 1: so I don't know what Obama's gonna do. And one
Speaker 1: I asked to wonder in these final hours, if I
Speaker 1: wonder if Hillary Clinton gets some type of pardon in
Speaker 1: other words, for remember, if you go back to Watergate
Speaker 1: and Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford for crimes committed or
Speaker 1: may have been committed, the power of the pardon is
Speaker 1: absolutely no. There is absolutely nothing you can do if
Speaker 1: you get a pardon. But I gotta tell you if
Speaker 1: if you haven't heard from anybody, I would suspect that
Speaker 1: this is not on the front burner. Is there any
Speaker 1: congressman you can talk to that would maybe call over
Speaker 1: to the White House and ask for a look at this. Well,
Speaker 1: I can tell you when it was going down, when
Speaker 1: everything was happening, I reached out to my local congressman
Speaker 1: here in Connecticut, and no one was willing to help
Speaker 1: me at all our support. So I would imagine it
Speaker 1: would take a very congeous congressman somewhere in the United States. Well,
Speaker 1: I know who could do it. I know who. We
Speaker 1: can put you in touch. How many more favors can
Speaker 1: I ask poorla Louis Gohmer to do for me, Linda?
Speaker 1: But you know what is there any way? Maybe we
Speaker 1: I mean they hate Louis over at the White House though, right?
Speaker 1: Is there any congressman or woman that Obama, anyone that
Speaker 1: we know that would do this? Paul, Well, he won't
Speaker 1: take my call. Speaker. Well, I mean I'd love somebody.
Speaker 1: I mean, at the very least, maybe Marcia Blackburn. Can
Speaker 1: we ask her to do this, she would do it.
Speaker 1: It's not Remember it's not an issue for the Congress.
Speaker 1: We've got to get to the executive brand. No, I
Speaker 1: know what I'm trying to get you. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get somebody in Congress that could get to the executive
Speaker 1: branch for you, because obviously it's your attempts are not
Speaker 1: working out too well. If we get on your TV show.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about when Donald Trump gets in office.
Speaker 1: I'll ask him myself at some point, you know, right
Speaker 1: when he gets in there. But um, he's got a
Speaker 1: lot going on in those first few days. Maybe if
Speaker 1: people call Congress, I'll do this now two o two,
Speaker 1: two to one, and respectfully ask your congressman, you're a congresswoman,
Speaker 1: if they'll take up the cause of Christian Saucier and
Speaker 1: ask the President if he would give this guy a
Speaker 1: pardon and remind them, in other words, if they could
Speaker 1: just make a call over to the White House in
Speaker 1: the Office of Pardons or I don't know what they
Speaker 1: call the office the do they have an office of pardoning?
Speaker 1: It's called okay, so call them. No one will answer
Speaker 1: the phone. No, I'm saying, but the Congress can get
Speaker 1: in touch with them. I mean, if need be, they
Speaker 1: could walk over your file for crying out loud. All right, Uh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna pass that on. Kathleen. You're in our thoughts
Speaker 1: and prayers. We're not giving up on this issue, regardless
Speaker 1: of what Obama does. Okay, we will continue to advance this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are. I know it's hard. I'm sorry. You deserve better.
Speaker 1: And you know what I tweeted out. Remember the letter
Speaker 1: the FBI sent to M. L K Junior to kill himself.
Speaker 1: You see, I tweeted that out today. Amazing the comment.
Speaker 1: Oh but of course our intelligence is just perfect, you know.
Speaker 1: All right, Rhonda's in Colorado. Hey, Rhonda, how are you
Speaker 1: glad you called? I am great. I'm so excited to
Speaker 1: talk to you today. I've been trying to get in
Speaker 1: touch for years. I'm so glad you got through welcoming board.
Speaker 1: I know. Thank you so much. UM, thanks for all
Speaker 1: you do. UM. I think you did a great job
Speaker 1: in helping out our new president to be elected. And UM,
Speaker 1: actually I got a chance to meet him in Colorado
Speaker 1: when he was here last October. Awesome. And he's a
Speaker 1: great guy. And I think you'll do a good job, wonderful.
Speaker 1: I agree. Um, I'm really concerned about you. I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to the inaugural ball and you're trying
Speaker 1: to figure out what to wear, and as crazy as
Speaker 1: the protesters can be, you'll get your tux ruined. I
Speaker 1: think you should go in jeans. I think it's important
Speaker 1: that you go in jeans. All right, I want to
Speaker 1: go in jeans. And I was willing to I was
Speaker 1: willing to do it. Here's the problem. Do you have
Speaker 1: a boss and I have bosses too, right, I have
Speaker 1: been ordered to wear the tucks pants and all and
Speaker 1: this was non get this. I was told it's non negotiable.
Speaker 1: Now I said, I'm not wearing the dopey bow tie
Speaker 1: and they said, okay, you don't have to wear a
Speaker 1: bow tie. But I was you know, I even got
Speaker 1: a call from my boss's office telling me you've never
Speaker 1: been in Washington Correspondence dinner. You will be going this year.
Speaker 1: And I said I don't want to go. And I said,
Speaker 1: we don't care if you want to go. And I
Speaker 1: said it's on a Saturday night. I don't have to
Speaker 1: work Saturday nights. And then get go back and read
Speaker 1: your country rack. We do what we you, we tell
Speaker 1: you to do. And I said, all right, we'll deal
Speaker 1: with that in April, but I'm not going. I've never
Speaker 1: been there. I want to keep my perfect track record up.
Speaker 1: And they're saying, no, you've got to be there because
Speaker 1: you were the leading voice on the channel and support
Speaker 1: of the new president, and and we want you there
Speaker 1: there would be nice about it, but I'm like, but
Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I don't want to see
Speaker 1: Wolf Blitzer and Jake Tapper and all these media people
Speaker 1: I hate. I don't want to see them. They hate
Speaker 1: me and I hate them, let's be honest. And all
Speaker 1: the people at MSNBC, I don't want to see them either.
Speaker 1: But they say Fox is throwing a huge party, and
Speaker 1: they're like, we want you to be the bartender. And
Speaker 1: then they guess what, and they said, and you have
Speaker 1: to wear a tux to that. I don't want to
Speaker 1: wear a tuxedo. Whoever thought of a tuxedo. I just
Speaker 1: want to go on record and say I think that's
Speaker 1: really stupid that a bartender's gonna wear a tux Exactly.
Speaker 1: I'll just throw the jacket away and take off my
Speaker 1: tie and get rolling see a bartender and in Paris tuxpans. Listen.
Speaker 1: I always tucked a rag on the side of my
Speaker 1: my belt and I would fly. So I'm willing a
Speaker 1: tend bar for the party stuff right there. Well, it
Speaker 1: worked at the time my belt and I was ready
Speaker 1: to flat. It worked at the country seventeen I had.
Speaker 1: I got pretty lucky back then in terms of making
Speaker 1: out with girls, so I was pretty good. Well, I
Speaker 1: know I'm a fat old guy now, but you can't
Speaker 1: imagine me back into dead modesty. Don't even go with
Speaker 1: that false modesty. I made out with a lot of
Speaker 1: girls at the seventeen. No, I'm a fat so now,
Speaker 1: well I am. My stomach is fat. I mean I'm strong.
Speaker 1: I've never been stronger in my life. So my sense
Speaker 1: now makes me do he times. You're like Kung Fu
Speaker 1: Panda the radio set. Now, No, now he times my
Speaker 1: hundred pushups. I have to do a hundred push ups
Speaker 1: every day I train. How fast can you do a hundred?
Speaker 1: You couldn't even do a hundred push ups? Be honest,
Speaker 1: bench press, I don't need to do no pushups? Okay,
Speaker 1: you couldn't do a hundred push ups? Could you know
Speaker 1: I said I don't want to do push ups? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I bet you couldn't do fifty. I'll bet you a
Speaker 1: thousand dollars you can't do fifty, and you can drop
Speaker 1: down now while I'm doing this. Try so far, thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: You can't do I mean real down, nose to the
Speaker 1: ground push ups, Yes I can, and I will take
Speaker 1: that bet. I can do. You can do twenty? Could you?
Speaker 1: And Linda, have you ever done one in your life