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Speaker 1: of the show today. Alright, So, all week we've been

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Speaker 1: telling you about this ongoing sting operation by Project Veritas

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Speaker 1: been on the program before. And Ryan Grimm counter sting

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Speaker 1: And we'll have a Hannity Classic shootout coming up in

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Speaker 1: Manning and the commutation by President Obama and why that

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Speaker 1: We had the farewell, we had the speech, we had

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Speaker 1: And this is my opening monologue on TV tonight. I

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Speaker 1: Because Obama didn't have the wherewithal or the political courage

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Speaker 1: He's not going to be back community organizing in his

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Speaker 1: while he's president, the d O dban hack while he's

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Speaker 1: president of the State Department, the Post of the Service,

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Speaker 1: the i r S, the Office of Personal Management twenty

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Speaker 1: three million personnel files hacked by the Chinese. Never mentioned it.

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Speaker 1: Why because it goes against the narrative that he actually

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Speaker 1: cares about hacking, and he doesn't because if he did, well,

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Speaker 1: then he would have done something about it. Anyway, I think,

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Speaker 1: uh oh, Trump is using I think he's using Lincoln's

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Speaker 1: personal Bible. That's pretty interesting. I'm glad Clarence Thomas is

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Speaker 1: gonna be there. I think that's awesome. Good for him.

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Speaker 1: He deserves it. It really does such a nice guy.

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Speaker 1: IM so glad I got to meet him. Obama gets

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Speaker 1: a minus nine percent final grade from the public. Well ed.

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Speaker 1: Klein confirms what I've been saying. He has a source

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Speaker 1: inside the White House that had slept in the Lincoln

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Speaker 1: bedroom dying with the Obama family and the residents got

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Speaker 1: regular updates on you know, what's going on since the

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Speaker 1: election anyway. He says that his source is saying Barack

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Speaker 1: can't wait to get out of the White House. It's

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Speaker 1: now the grimmest place in the world. The atmosphere is funereal.

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Speaker 1: Everybody looks like they lost their best friend and their dog.

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Speaker 1: Barack's supposed to be cheering people up, but that he

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Speaker 1: can barely muster a smile. He knows there's nothing much

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Speaker 1: he can do to make his staff feel any better.

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Speaker 1: And it's getting worse with Trump rolling out his cabinet picks,

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Speaker 1: and they portray him as an angry, deeply hurt depressed

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Speaker 1: Obama who can't get over his party's defeating the polls

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Speaker 1: and he's taking it as a personal rebuke by the

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Speaker 1: American people. That's only gonna get worse. I promise you,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna get much worse. Before all is said and done. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's see what else do we got here today? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Trump is gonna be sworn in on two special bibles

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Speaker 1: and uh, let's see. One is gonna be his own

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Speaker 1: family given to him by his mother. The other will

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Speaker 1: be Lincoln's Bible, and Clarence Thomas is going to do

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Speaker 1: it for him. Donald Trump, Thank god? Why are Republicans

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Speaker 1: offering this now that they have both Houses of carverse?

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Speaker 1: Trump is saying, we need a ten percent spending cut.

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Speaker 1: That's what we need, and cut federal workers no offense,

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Speaker 1: but we need that too. We don't get that. There's

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Speaker 1: been one little thing apparently the President Obama offered at

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Speaker 1: Potus to Trump, but they only have six point five

468
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Speaker 1: million followers and Trump has thirteen and a half million followers.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna keep at real Donald Trump. Um a hidden

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Speaker 1: CNN poll. The Washington Examiner pulled up the headline on

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Speaker 1: the CNN poll is confidence drops in Trump transition inside

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Speaker 1: the pole. We'll only Queen Elizabeth and Pope Francis have

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Speaker 1: a higher approval rating than President elect Trump, according to

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Speaker 1: americans asked to consider the world leaders. That's pretty interesting

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Speaker 1: happening today. Arianna now is in the sleep business, and

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Speaker 1: Arianna Huffington is pushing the idea that if Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: got eight hours sleep and put his phone off, that'd

478
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Speaker 1: be be a much better president in the next four years.

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Speaker 1: You gotta give Arianna credit because there's nothing she's not

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to sell. She's go out there, so

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Speaker 1: turn anything into that anyway, Um, President Electrump will be

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Speaker 1: met with an unsustainable government spending. Let me just tell

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Speaker 1: you one quick thing. And there are a couple of

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Speaker 1: articles that woke me up to this today that sweet

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Speaker 1: baby James had handed to me, and I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: this makes a lot of sense to me. And one

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Speaker 1: was a town hall piece. And now the left war

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Speaker 1: on normal Americans truly begins, United we Fall was in

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Speaker 1: the American Thinker, and I read both these articles and

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Speaker 1: I put it with my own thoughts, and this is

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Speaker 1: what I've come up with. Every effort by the snowflakes

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Speaker 1: to insult Donald Trump is really an attack on you.

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Speaker 1: Every effort to stop his Supreme Court appointments, his vetting ideas,

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Speaker 1: his rolling back regulation and the bureaucracy, lowering corporate taxes,

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Speaker 1: repatriating multinational corporations, eliminating Obamacare, replacing it with health savings accounts,

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Speaker 1: energy independence, education, back to the States, immigration, building, the wall.

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Speaker 1: Everything is going to be met with a fierce, unprecedented

498
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Speaker 1: resistance and a rhetoric that you probably have never heard before.

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Speaker 1: And I know you think you've heard a lot from

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Speaker 1: the snowflakes. And there's still ongoing, and it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: I guess at his height in the next two days,

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Speaker 1: and we'll be down on Washington for the next two days.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just telling you this is not stopping every

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Speaker 1: single one of those agenda items which he keeps reinforcing.

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Speaker 1: He is going to pursue a rain if aid I

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Speaker 1: don't care. How did closed um and and this stuff

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Speaker 1: is like very efficient, very very selly laugh for a

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Speaker 1: long time, and I know how to get There's a

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Speaker 1: beautiful metal or up the glass liquid in the little ball.

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Speaker 1: You know, we need not recognize, I need eater. If

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Speaker 1: you close down, we will look for you around, We

512
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Speaker 1: will die, We will go to warn you will lose.

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Speaker 1: And it would be really listening. You could stop them

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Speaker 1: from having before on call, kay, I was taking are

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Speaker 1: things that ruin that we ruin the evening, you know,

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Speaker 1: we ruin their outputs or otherwise make it impossible to

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Speaker 1: continue with their plans to make sure they get nothing accomplishments.

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Speaker 1: But we WEPA the Originally all we could do before

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Speaker 1: that same stuff and I could break the pans with

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Speaker 1: the case with a plunder and step little bands that

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Speaker 1: a state depending things. So all you gotta do is

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Speaker 1: pull the pins and press the poor do the whole

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Speaker 1: pan discardet. We have to do how we have to

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Speaker 1: break sover like what you do? Yeah, and that will

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Speaker 1: as a mission. So that is bad enough. That stuff

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Speaker 1: is nasty enough that that it will spread. It will spread.

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Speaker 1: So we use one person is going to block the

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Speaker 1: other to call out talk about ten seconds and everyone,

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Speaker 1: you can't go and you want to chain you know

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Speaker 1: that required like a bolt cutter undo basically shut down

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Speaker 1: that linevideo was a hit Metter Center gallery place and

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Speaker 1: you're all closed up the walk too. And that's every

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Speaker 1: single line A significant penamal of of us to a

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Speaker 1: dozen that we've talked to so far. At these expressed

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Speaker 1: interest in arrested the actions of the disobedience um. But

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Speaker 1: the agreement that we left Sunday on was we're not

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Speaker 1: going to do that unless, as you pointed out, it's

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Speaker 1: actually effective. It's actually it's not. We're not just looking

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Speaker 1: to get a like a notch to say we got arrested.

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Speaker 1: We want to do it so we can have an impact.

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Speaker 1: All Right, We've continue our story hour or two of

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Speaker 1: the Sean Hannity show, James o'cafe project Veritas and some

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Speaker 1: of the tapes that they got this week. This group

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Speaker 1: that is out there that is involved and threatening to

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Speaker 1: do all sorts of things, uh, burning down houses and

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Speaker 1: stopping trains and bridges and burreautic acid at balls that

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Speaker 1: they'll get into the h v a c system. And

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Speaker 1: this is a group of people called disrupt J twenty,

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Speaker 1: the J twenty group, and a lot of things that

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Speaker 1: have been made now. Uh, as soon as we air

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Speaker 1: the first report, Ryan Grimm, who is the Washington bureau

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Speaker 1: chief for the liberal Huffington Post, made the claim that

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Speaker 1: there was actually a countersting operation going on against James

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Speaker 1: O'Keeffe and that these things apparently were said for his benefit,

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Speaker 1: and an accusation that in fact, James O'Keeffe's people were

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Speaker 1: offering money to shut down a bridge, in other words,

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Speaker 1: inciting people to say these things. Now and James O'Keeffe

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Speaker 1: got his video on tape. He did take it to

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Speaker 1: the d C Metro Police because this was seemingly a

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Speaker 1: terroristic style threat. If you're gonna use this acid and

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Speaker 1: get it in the h v a C ducks, are

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Speaker 1: you're gonna try and chain cars of trains, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna stop bridges, and you're threatening to burn people homes down,

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Speaker 1: and they took it very seriously. The Secret Service, the Metro,

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Speaker 1: DC Police, the FBI all are investigating apparently anyway. So

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Speaker 1: we decided to bring these two together, James o'cafe, founder

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Speaker 1: of Project Veritas, and Ryan Grimm. And James is very

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Speaker 1: passionate about the fact that they're talking about two very

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Speaker 1: different operations that were going on, and that Ryan Grimm

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Speaker 1: is talking about another case. James, why don't you explain

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Speaker 1: it in your own words? Thank you Sean for having

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Speaker 1: me on. This is pretty straightforward that these these individuals

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Speaker 1: met with our journalists at a restaurant in DC after

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Speaker 1: two months of developing relationships with them, and they told

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Speaker 1: us that they wanted to put acid in the event shafts.

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Speaker 1: They talked about how they want to harm people with

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Speaker 1: cold water from the sprinklers being set off. They went

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Speaker 1: on to talk about other plans involving chains on metro trains,

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Speaker 1: punching people in the throat, and generally calls causing it

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Speaker 1: what they call a cluster f We established relationships with

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Speaker 1: them over the course of a few weeks, and after

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Speaker 1: this meeting on December eighteenth, they sent a number of

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Speaker 1: follow up mails where they see seeds not only are

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Speaker 1: are undercover journalists, but all the other people involved. They

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Speaker 1: were literally a hundred people involved in these group training

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Speaker 1: sessions and discussions in shutting down the inaugural events. So

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Speaker 1: the notion of a reverse sting in this case with

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Speaker 1: these individuals disrupt j twenty Scott Greene and Colin Dunn

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Speaker 1: and Luke con is utterly implausible, not just to me,

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Speaker 1: but to the FBI, the Secret Service, and the counter

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Speaker 1: Terrorism Test Unit, who as I speak is meeting discussing

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Speaker 1: this and and we've confirmed much of the information they

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Speaker 1: already had. Ryan, are you talking about a separate sting operation?

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Speaker 1: I think so, And I don't get the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: say this very often, so I want to. I want

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Speaker 1: to take it right here. I completely agree with James

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Speaker 1: O'Keeffe what he is describing as a separate um operation.

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Speaker 1: As far as I can tell, I wasn't when I

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Speaker 1: wrote my story about the counter sting, I wasn't even

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Speaker 1: actually even aware that that he was sticking this this

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Speaker 1: other group, this j twenty uh you know, group of

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Speaker 1: whatever you'd call a manner because and communists who are

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Speaker 1: who are planning to disrupt the convention. So James is

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Speaker 1: James is absolutely correct. So actually are you praising James

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Speaker 1: O'Keefe's work here, Hey, uh, take it for take it

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Speaker 1: for Awarstown. By the way, is this the same Ryan

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Speaker 1: Grimm that constantly took shots at me after I had

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Speaker 1: you as a guest on this program? Is that the

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Speaker 1: same guy? You? Sure it's you? Are you drinking today?

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Speaker 1: Why did I ever take a shot at you? Sean?

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Speaker 1: I I have, I have missed you greatly since I

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Speaker 1: uh since I was last on now. But so look,

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Speaker 1: I think then what you're saying is what I guess

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Speaker 1: James and I agree on here. If you're talking about

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Speaker 1: putting acid in the hv a C ducks, if you're

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Speaker 1: talking about burning down people's homes, if you're talking about

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Speaker 1: tying chains to trains in the d C railway and

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Speaker 1: you're talking about blocking bridges and you're talking about we'll

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Speaker 1: go to war. That is something that you wouldn't support

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Speaker 1: at the Huffington Post or personally. Yeah, that's right. I

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Speaker 1: mean I do think we want to be careful about

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Speaker 1: kind of undermining the you know what people who have Well,

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Speaker 1: let me then ask you the follow up question. Do

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Speaker 1: you think James O'Keefe did good work here? Then? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think I think this is this is probably good work.

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Speaker 1: I think my only my only criticism of it, and

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Speaker 1: I think it I think it is good work. I

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Speaker 1: think he went in there and he I think he

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Speaker 1: probably did accurately, uh, you know, expose what was going

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Speaker 1: on there. My only criticism would be it's a group

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Speaker 1: called Disrupt the Inauguration or whatever the name is, Disrupt

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Speaker 1: J twenty. Like they're very publicly saying that they're going

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Speaker 1: to engage in direct action, which is lefty code word

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Speaker 1: for civil disobedience, breaking breaking laws in order to get arrested,

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Speaker 1: in order to create a disturbance and try to shut

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Speaker 1: down whatever operations going on. So I do think he

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Speaker 1: did good work. I think it's interesting to see the

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Speaker 1: inner workings of a group like this is there a possibility,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it exposed any hypocrisy, if you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean is is there a possibility because

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Speaker 1: of his work lives could be saved? Lives could be saved,

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Speaker 1: well maybe right, or injuries prevented. Let's let's all hope right. Well, James,

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Speaker 1: I didn't particularly expect that from Ryan Grim today. I

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Speaker 1: expected a big argument in a five that goes my

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Speaker 1: whole show. But we can talk about the other one

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Speaker 1: if you wanted. Well, we'll get to that in a second.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to what what Ryan saying? James, I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised, Joan. I think that I think that I

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Speaker 1: don't know Ryan. I haven't met I haven't spoken to

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Speaker 1: Ryan since he's been on his program. But I think

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Speaker 1: any self respecting report looking at the evidence here, we've

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Speaker 1: laid out the evidence the FBI, Secret Service and members

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Speaker 1: of the d C Metro Police were when when we

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Speaker 1: met with them. And I have some a little bit

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Speaker 1: of news to report on your show, Sean that the U. S.

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Speaker 1: Attorney's Office called our attorney late last night, and my

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Speaker 1: attorney again met with um this Terrorism Joint Task Force

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Speaker 1: today and they told us that um that they're that

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Speaker 1: they're revisiting the matter, and um they're analyzing the tape.

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Speaker 1: And they also said to us, which Ryan now agrees with,

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Speaker 1: this was definitely not a counter sting. They looked at

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Speaker 1: the body language, they looked at the evidence that the

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Speaker 1: emails to them. This was not even close to a

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Speaker 1: counter sting. This is certainly something they were all planning.

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Speaker 1: So I'm not shocked by Ryan's agreement. It is clear

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Speaker 1: these guys are planning this, and you might see and

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Speaker 1: arrest made. You might, you know, as your attorney put

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Speaker 1: out there. I mean, look, I would not be surprised

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Speaker 1: at some point of a group wants to do a

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Speaker 1: reverse thing on you, James, because of the work that

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Speaker 1: you've done and the success you've had and the people

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Speaker 1: you've exposed. And I could see that happening anytime. But

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Speaker 1: you know the fact that you know all of this information,

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Speaker 1: that these people were known by law enforcement, as you said,

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Speaker 1: and the things that they're talking about, there's nothing funny here.

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Speaker 1: There's what I'm hearing here is a bunch of anarchists plotting,

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Speaker 1: scheming and planning to bring not just disruption, but potential

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Speaker 1: harm to people. And you know, I know liberals maybe

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Speaker 1: have a different philosophical belief to me, but I was

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Speaker 1: the one that always said during the Obama years, we

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Speaker 1: have got to protect our president, we have got to

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Speaker 1: protect our our elected officials. And I really really think

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Speaker 1: I believe in the peaceful transfer of power, um. And

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Speaker 1: I think these threats now exists equally for Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And that scares me too, because we've got, as I've

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Speaker 1: said old during the years, protect these guys. Well. They

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Speaker 1: they did. When we met with the government, they did.

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Speaker 1: They said they were aware that they were that these

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Speaker 1: individuals leg book care for Luke Coon or their names

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Speaker 1: leg But talked about changing the trains, Luke Coon, talked

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Speaker 1: about burning houses down and putting acid in the in

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Speaker 1: the chafts. They were. The FBI was aware that they

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Speaker 1: were actually planning these activities. They were aware of this,

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Speaker 1: and they thanked us. And I'm going to quote the

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Speaker 1: brief here. Our information was deemed quote helpful and quote

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Speaker 1: confirmed some of the intelligence these agents had already received.

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Speaker 1: Had to hear that, all right, So let's go journalism.

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Speaker 1: It confirms and corroborates with the law enforcement agents, and

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Speaker 1: I could be creating the greatest partnership in the history

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Speaker 1: of media with James O'Keeffe and the huffing and post.

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Speaker 1: But all right, so what is your complaint Ryan about

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Speaker 1: this other issue or the other countersting article you were

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Speaker 1: writing about. Well, I didn't. I didn't have a Actually,

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Speaker 1: if we want to bring a little conflict into the

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Speaker 1: first one and salve, it's that part of it. By

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Speaker 1: the way, I'm only listen if people are safe because

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Speaker 1: of this, I'm really happy. I would I would quival

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Speaker 1: with the throat punching thing like James. James may not

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Speaker 1: know this, but throat punching is it's kind of a

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Speaker 1: word that like ninety pound guys used to like pretend

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Speaker 1: that they're going to annoy somebody, like let's let's go

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Speaker 1: do some throat punching. They're not These are anybody who

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Speaker 1: says that they're going to throat punch something punched anybody.

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Speaker 1: But if you if you add that to burning down people,

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Speaker 1: sure you gotta put it in this context. So what

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Speaker 1: is your disagreement? So I didn't, Well, just to suggest

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Speaker 1: that this ninety pound kid was actually going to punch

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Speaker 1: somebody in the throat, that that was my only disagreement.

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Speaker 1: But you know, he's on tape saying it, so it's

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Speaker 1: you know, no, no fault of James is there. That's

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Speaker 1: that's the only context I would add on the on this,

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Speaker 1: on this, on the separate one, I don't. I didn't

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Speaker 1: really have any uh any complaint with anything that um

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Speaker 1: Project Verry Toss was doing. But this, this was a

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Speaker 1: really fascinating little situation where you had, and I presume

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Speaker 1: Alison Moss was recording the exchange as well the Project

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Speaker 1: Verry Toss operative. You had two people sitting at a

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Speaker 1: restaurant filming each other, each one trying to get the

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Speaker 1: other to say incriminating things so that they could expose

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Speaker 1: the other. All right, stop right there, Hang on, James,

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Speaker 1: do you agree with that assessment or no? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think that's generally true. Allison is one of our reporters.

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Speaker 1: She she was actually she was, Yes, she was wearing

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Speaker 1: a hidden camera, but she was just asking questions about

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Speaker 1: what do you guys had planned? You know, she was

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Speaker 1: acting like Ryan would act if Ryan was at the

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Speaker 1: huffing and post this. By the way, what we're talking

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Speaker 1: about now is a completely separate thing, a completely separate group.

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Speaker 1: A few weeks ago that that Ryan uncovered last QUI,

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Speaker 1: did you did she offer money to shut down a bridge?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not, absolutely not. This is a cat and mouse

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Speaker 1: that wasn't Ryan's peace. All right, we'll pick it up

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Speaker 1: there when we get back. Eight hundred nine for one

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Speaker 1: Shan James O'Keeffe and Ryan Grimm. Eight hundred nine for

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Speaker 1: one Shawn is a number we'll get to your calls.

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Speaker 1: Also coming up, we know you never want to miss

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Speaker 1: Go to Hannity dot com. Alright, till the top of

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Speaker 1: the hour, we continue our discussion from the last half hour.

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Speaker 1: James O'Keeffe, the founder of Project Veritas, Ryan Grimm, who

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Speaker 1: is the Washington bureau chief of the Huffing The Post.

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Speaker 1: I was expecting a big fight in the last hour

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Speaker 1: based on an article that Grimm had written in the

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Speaker 1: Huffing Them post. But we're able to all come to

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Speaker 1: agreement that James O'Keeffe's work about this disrupt j twenty

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Speaker 1: group that he got on tape talking about things like

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Speaker 1: chaining train cars at the station at the DC Metro

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Speaker 1: and shutting down the entire train transportation system in d

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Speaker 1: C and stopping people from going over bridges and dropping

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Speaker 1: acid in the hv A C system and burning down

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Speaker 1: people's homes and going to war with people. Even Ryan

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Speaker 1: Grimm thinks that this was pretty good work, which is

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting. And then it led to a wider discussion

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Speaker 1: about journalism in America today. And if you look at

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Speaker 1: the approval ratings of journalism and the mainstream media in particular, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: what do we see. We see that they are Their

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Speaker 1: believability and trustworthiness is at an all time low. We

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Speaker 1: learned through wiki leaks that there was massive collusion from

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Speaker 1: many networks and many publications with the Hillary Clinton campaign,

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Speaker 1: even the right to edit pieces in the New York

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Speaker 1: Times or Politico or questions fed to Hillary before town

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Speaker 1: hall events. And it gets worse from there. You know,

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Speaker 1: we saw Matha Rabbit's crying she had moderated a debate

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Speaker 1: once it was announced that Donald Trump became president, John

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Speaker 1: Harwood bragging that he got under Trump's skin and and

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Speaker 1: he obviously had a bias, and all of this was revealed.

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Speaker 1: And I think this is now the state of new journalism.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, I would include the Huffing a

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Speaker 1: Post in this and Matt Drudge and the Drudge Report.

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Speaker 1: And then we've got Project Veritas that in many ways

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Speaker 1: has gone back to old style journalism, which is going

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Speaker 1: undercover and and breaking stories the way they have and

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Speaker 1: had a big impact in the election, and it's having

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Speaker 1: a big impact now. And then there's people that hate

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Speaker 1: talk radio like Obama, and hate the Fox News Channel

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Speaker 1: like Obama. And Obama attacked me by name at least

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Speaker 1: a dozen times. And then you have your colleagues in

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media. I don't consider you mainstream though, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: to be honest, they consider you a compliment. Well, I

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Speaker 1: consider you pretty hard left. I mean your paper everyone's

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Speaker 1: talking about or online Huffing and Post was talking about

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Speaker 1: how Donald Trump's not a legitimately elected president. That's ridiculous

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Speaker 1: to me. But you have an opinion, you have a readership,

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Speaker 1: you have I guess a constituency that you're appealing to,

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Speaker 1: and you have every right to do. Appreciate that, and

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Speaker 1: maybe Obama will change his opinion now that he's in

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Speaker 1: retirement and has more time to listen to talk radio

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Speaker 1: in the afternoon. And I tend to think he's got

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Speaker 1: better things to do than listen to me talk about

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Speaker 1: how horrific is eight years about h Well, I can

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Speaker 1: give you the statistics. I can give you the statistics,

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Speaker 1: but I guess look, let's go back to sixty minutes

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Speaker 1: for just a second. James O'Keefe, you remember Mike Wallace.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know Chris and Mike Wallace was probably

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Speaker 1: the best at it. Sixty minutes built their reputation doing

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Speaker 1: this on a regular basis. And now, yes, yes, Sean,

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Speaker 1: I mean I'm very young. I was born in the

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Speaker 1: mid eighties, but yes, I remember my I've looked at

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Speaker 1: the videos. I've read history because I'm i and I

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Speaker 1: read the history of journalism. I see that they used

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Speaker 1: to confront corporate ceo as they used to go in.

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Speaker 1: Some called it yellow journalism, but they used to go

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Speaker 1: in and they used to make people shake in their

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Speaker 1: boots and there and they're just hasn't been that happen

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Speaker 1: over the last eight years. And Sean, I've been on

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Speaker 1: your program a number of times. I've been served criminal

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Speaker 1: grand jury subpoenas. I've been harassed by my government. Eric

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Speaker 1: Holder came after me after we did the voter fraud

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Speaker 1: in New Hampshire. I can tell you story after story

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Speaker 1: about power coming after us, but I would go a

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Speaker 1: step further than than than you know what Ryan said

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Speaker 1: about you said. Ryan has opinionated in his journalism. At Veritas,

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Speaker 1: we don't even state opinions. We just show things. We

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Speaker 1: show the reality. And you have to take this stuff

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Speaker 1: because no one would believe me otherwise. I don't editorialize,

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Speaker 1: I don't use adjectives to describe things. And the American

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Speaker 1: people are upset at journalists in my opinion, because they

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Speaker 1: read these articles and they're so planted. They use flowery

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Speaker 1: language describe events. Barratas just goes in and films and stuff,

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Speaker 1: and we let people speak in their own words, and

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Speaker 1: we need more. And don't you usually also release the

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Speaker 1: unedited version as well on your website. Yeah, we sometimes do.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes we have to be careful about revealing our undercover

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Speaker 1: people are revealing our sources, but no journalists in their

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Speaker 1: right mind. This is another way they hold me to

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Speaker 1: a higher standard releases their full raw notebooks. If they did,

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Speaker 1: if The New York Times did, if CNN did, if

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Speaker 1: CBS did, you would see a different story. That's why

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Speaker 1: Katie Kurt got sued for defamation when she edited that

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Speaker 1: video where they showed the gun people reacting and they

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Speaker 1: were all quiet and confused. When you look at the raw,

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Speaker 1: they immediately responded. So journalists cut and edit and mince

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Speaker 1: words and used hyperbole, by the way, you know, cuts

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Speaker 1: every interview up as sixty minutes. They never air the

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Speaker 1: entire interviews. Sometimes they'll add it now to sixty minutes

852
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Speaker 1: online other parts, but it's still edited, and I usually

853
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: try to do I try to do sometime for the

854
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Speaker 1: constraints of time, I have to cut this with that out,

855
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: but I try and air my interviews as they are.

856
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: People want people want access to raw, unfiltered information, and

857
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: social media is allowing that to happen. That's why Facebook

858
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: and Twitter the market share right now. And and we're

859
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: not yet at the tipping point, but we're reaching a

860
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: tipping point where at some point people are just gonna

861
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: say I don't believe you to the television, and they're

862
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: gonna go right. They want to see the raw information.

863
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: That's why Veritas is successful. But Sean, you and I

864
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: both know that many mainstream media platforms are scared to

865
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Speaker 1: give to give air to these stories because they're just

866
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Speaker 1: that effective. Listen, I get I get in trouble just

867
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Speaker 1: for putting you on the air. I mean, I get

868
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: people don't. My audience doesn't particularly like Ryan Grimm, but

869
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm putting him on the air. Ryan, why didn't you

870
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Speaker 1: when your story came out the countersting catches James O'Keefe

871
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: network attempting to so chaos a Trump's inauguration. The stinger

872
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: gets stung when you put that out, and then you

873
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: saw the way it was being interpreted. Why didn't you

874
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Speaker 1: speak out how his story was being misconstrued in the

875
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Speaker 1: public and that this was a separate issue and a

876
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Speaker 1: separate example. Well, the first time hearing that these were

877
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: presumed to be the same thing is you're not hearing

878
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 1: it for the first time. You know what the subject

879
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: matter was before you came on the air and we talked, No, no,

880
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Speaker 1: I know the subject matter. I didn't know that people

881
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Speaker 1: were conflating the j twenty and the whatever you would

882
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Speaker 1: want to call the other one that I wrote about,

883
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Speaker 1: the the the A T A as as I understand it,

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Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. It came out your your

885
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: latest one came out on Monday? Is that right? Right?

886
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: So one day I was off Monday. Here here's where,

887
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: here's why I would shown not argue. But Ryan, I

888
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: think you knew that people are conflating the two. In fact,

889
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: some of these corporate media n t s are using

890
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: your article currently as the reason not to air the story.

891
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: And the fact that you're on Shawn's program right now

892
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: clearing the air saying there's a there's nothing to do

893
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: with one or the other that changes the game. I

894
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: agree with you that that is a game changer because

895
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Speaker 1: I know for a fact that people were complating in

896
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Speaker 1: the two issues. Let me let me, let me, let me,

897
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Speaker 1: let me expand cleared that up on Twitter. If I

898
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Speaker 1: if I thought that was let me expand this into

899
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Speaker 1: the decision, well you do, I guess you can tweet

900
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Speaker 1: it out right after this, but after Obama and his

901
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: decision on Chelsea Manning to commute the sentence. Now again

902
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Speaker 1: I mentioned that the Pentagon Papers some time ago. Okay,

903
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Speaker 1: so he's going to commute the sentence. How does this

904
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Speaker 1: impact in both of your minds Julian Assange and Wiki Leaks,

905
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Speaker 1: which all they did was print what was handed to them.

906
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 1: Is that any different from what the New York Times

907
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Speaker 1: did with the Pentagon Papers? Your thoughts, Ryan Grimm? The

908
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: big problem that they have always had with Julian Assangs

909
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Speaker 1: that they called it the New York Times problem because,

910
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 1: you know, because the New York Times were, you know,

911
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Speaker 1: cooperated with Wiki Leaks and publishing a lot of the

912
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Speaker 1: a lot of the manning materials, it would be very

913
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Speaker 1: difficult for them to go after Sane without also going

914
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Speaker 1: after the New York Times. Supposedly, you know, Assange thinks

915
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Speaker 1: that there is a sealed indictment of him. I don't

916
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Speaker 1: even know what the charges would be. Well, I think

917
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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice under Loretta Lynch is said that

918
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Speaker 1: if they did go after Julian Osans, they would have

919
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: to go after other journalists, and it makes it impossible

920
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:54,919
Speaker 1: for them to do so. In other words, do you think,

921
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Speaker 1: you know, would any other news organization have gone with us?

922
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: I think history proves that they probably would have, and

923
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Speaker 1: that the culprit, the person that broke the law, that

924
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Speaker 1: stole the materials was Chelsea Manning. Right, so, and the sources.

925
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Speaker 1: You know, somebody who leads classifying information is always at risk,

926
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Speaker 1: um of of getting caught. I think, if you are

927
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Speaker 1: presented with this information, would you have run it as

928
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Speaker 1: an exclusive for the Huffing and Post? Yes, but no,

929
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't run it the way that wiki Leaks ran it,

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Speaker 1: which is just to kind of dump it all on

931
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Speaker 1: the site. What I would do is I would go

932
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Speaker 1: through it and find that the news worthy aspects. But um,

933
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Speaker 1: I have before published um classified information, and I would

934
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Speaker 1: do it again if I felt like it was Well,

935
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Speaker 1: if you ever get arrested it, I honestly would do this.

936
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Speaker 1: I will go visit you in jail and I'll bring

937
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Speaker 1: you a cake with a file on it. I take

938
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Speaker 1: care appreciate that. What are your thoughts on this, James o'kese,

939
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Speaker 1: I would say there's a distinction between people stealing information

940
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Speaker 1: like Manning did, or breaking the law criminally breaking the law,

941
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Speaker 1: and by the way, sometimes in the like in the

942
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Speaker 1: case of Snowden, you can be a hero and the trader.

943
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Speaker 1: It's not necessarily. You don't have to be one or

944
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Speaker 1: the other. You can you can, you can sometimes, as

945
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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King said, you can some laws are unjust.

946
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Speaker 1: But he did break the law, and and some would

947
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Speaker 1: argue was pretty heinous, and how he did. It's a

948
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Speaker 1: distinction between breaking the law like that and just breaking

949
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Speaker 1: information that someone else gives to you. There's a total

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Speaker 1: distinction there. If someone came to me with information and

951
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Speaker 1: I thought it was important for the public to see

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Speaker 1: it and it and it didn't jeopardize that a responsibility,

953
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Speaker 1: I would publish it, but I wouldn't go hack into

954
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Speaker 1: the system and do all the illegal things that There

955
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Speaker 1: is a huge distinction there, and we have to remember that.

956
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Speaker 1: And we're talking about, well, you know, I mean this

957
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Speaker 1: this whole charge that somehow the Russians were involved in

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Speaker 1: the election, when we know they didn't hack into our

959
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Speaker 1: voting machines and they had no impact on the voting

960
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Speaker 1: of people. But you know, you can't get away from

961
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Speaker 1: this aspect of the story, which is Hillary Clinton did

962
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Speaker 1: not secure as she was required to by law, top

963
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Speaker 1: secret information Special Access program information, and that her emails

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Speaker 1: were hacked because she put a server in a mom

965
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Speaker 1: and pop shop, bathroom closet, and we now have confirmed,

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Speaker 1: I know, Fox confirmed with certainty that at least five

967
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Speaker 1: foreign intelligence agencies had gotten into this. And everyone's all

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Speaker 1: concerned about this. But in the Obama years, I doubt

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Speaker 1: the having a post reported that the White House had

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Speaker 1: been hacked, the d O D had been hacked, the

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Speaker 1: State Department had been hacked, the I R S had

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Speaker 1: been hacked. They actually broke the story that, uh, the

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Speaker 1: White House had been hacked, did you? And then of

974
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Speaker 1: course we have the Office of Personnel Management three million

975
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Speaker 1: personal files hacked by the Chinese. Obama never discussed it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't break that one, but turned out my my

977
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Speaker 1: wife's files were in there because she had done a

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Speaker 1: clerkship that you know. There are millions and millions of

979
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Speaker 1: people I know, But what nobody talked about that nobody

980
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: that was pretty big. It really wasn't that big. If

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00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: Obama didn't talk about it, that's that's tells you where

982
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: his priorities are. Doesn't that suggest that talking about Russia

983
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: and the case of Hillary Clinton's server and somehow they're

984
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Speaker 1: not responsible and Russian hacking without any evidence whatsoever to

985
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Speaker 1: confirm it there's also distinction between hacking and election and

986
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 1: showing people's emails. Let's just let's assume Russia showed the emails.

987
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: It's not hacking an election. That's like a form of

988
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,760
Speaker 1: transparency to show what people are doing hacking an election,

989
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: like the videos in Philadelphia where they were literally telling

990
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: people who to vote for the election judges, you know,

991
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: and here's another people who. And then it's even worse

992
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: than that because Obama, you know, used tax prayer money

993
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: and tried to influence the election against our our biggest

994
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: ally beb Netanyahu. And that's just a fact, right, I mean,

995
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: the United States has been flipping elections, either by by

996
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: force or by other other settlement means of influence for

997
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: more than a hundred years, that's for sure. Yeah, And

998
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: nobody really paid attention to that except for people like me.

999
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: Were pretty mad about a lot of those. And I

1000
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: know it bothers Ryan to no end that this show

1001
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: is as popular as it is and Hannity the TV

1002
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: show happier. You're such a liar. You're such a liar.

1003
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: I used to say, do you say hi to Ariana

1004
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: for me? But she's not there anymore? Is she off?

1005
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: They hie to her for you. Now she's not, she's

1006
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: she has moved on to bigger and better things. Well,

1007
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 1: I still like Arianna. She's nuts, but I like her.

1008
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: And now she's talking about well, if Donald Trump slept

1009
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: eight hours a day, he'd be doing so much better

1010
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: in the next thing four years. All Right, you know what,

1011
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: this turned into something totally unexpected, but I think a

1012
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: very worthwhile conversation, and you both contributed a lot to it.

1013
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: Thank you both, Ryan, Welcome back, James. I think today's

1014
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: a vindication day for you and good for you. Thank

1015
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 1: you for the work you're doing. I hope that lives

1016
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: are saved as a result of that work. Thank you.

1017
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: Stay right here for our final news round up and

1018
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: information overload in the final hour of the Sean Hannity Show. Okay,

1019
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: the front, they're already plucked the whole front, which means

1020
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: it's already funk. Hotel is already shut down. I think

1021
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: what we should do is we should run up. They're

1022
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: gonna peak out, but we're just going up to the Derreka.

1023
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Speaker 1: We're not gonna find already run Donald Trump, Donald Trump, no,

1024
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Speaker 1: k k K, don't pass you kak al Right. News

1025
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Speaker 1: round up and information overload. Our here on the Sean

1026
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Speaker 1: Hannity Show that was at the Trump Hotel in Washington,

1027
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Speaker 1: d C. It's our snowflake snowstorm update. You got the

1028
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Speaker 1: group Anonymous now calling on followers to actually attack Donald Trump.

1029
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: The group has declared a total war on Trump. Uh.

1030
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: They did this ahead of the election last year. They're

1031
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,240
Speaker 1: calling on supporters to look from Reveal for any information

1032
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,800
Speaker 1: they can find. You're going to regret. They threatened the

1033
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: next four years. Really anyway, they are urging followers to

1034
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Speaker 1: investigate his past shady connections ahead of this inauguration week

1035
00:55:34,840 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: and then the allegations are in substantiated, not exactly clear

1036
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: that they'll take it, but put it. They put out

1037
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: a call to arms, go get him. It's your duty

1038
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: as adults. We have the resources, use them. The threat

1039
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: came after Trump tweeted out that the outgoing c i

1040
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: A Chief John Brennan couldn't do much worse. Just look

1041
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: at the red line in Crimea and Ukraine and the

1042
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: build up of Russian nukes. It's not wood Anonymous, by

1043
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Speaker 1: the way. It's involved in hacking, collecting and all that

1044
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: sort of thing. Anyway, they have made good on threats

1045
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: to Trump in the past. After declaring war with the

1046
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Speaker 1: President elect. In March of sixteen, the series of leaks

1047
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: purporting to be from Trump's phone were spread online and

1048
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Speaker 1: the information included voicemails and telephone numbers. At the same time,

1049
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Speaker 1: unverified personal details, et cetera were of close aids were

1050
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: posted online. And then of course in the group brought

1051
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Speaker 1: down the Trump Tower New York website after Trump for

1052
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Speaker 1: brief period and leaked personal further voicemails of his rhetoric

1053
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Speaker 1: towards Muslims. That's just one group. And of course we

1054
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Speaker 1: have the latest O'Keefe video planning to blockade the Trump inauguration,

1055
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Speaker 1: and of course John Kerry he's not going to the inauguration.

1056
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Speaker 1: We're now up to sixty plus Democrats that are not going. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Then we have Chuck Schumer I respect where the inauguration

1058
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Speaker 1: boycotters are coming from. They have so many there have

1059
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Speaker 1: been so many irregularities. Washington Post never Trump. Republicans are

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Speaker 1: whining about not getting a job at the House. Why

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Speaker 1: would they hire you if you don't support what they're doing?

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Speaker 1: Now you just want a job. You think it's your

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Speaker 1: due to get a job, and Ram Paul actually said

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Speaker 1: somebody should go to jail for the Trump intel leaks. CNN.

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Speaker 1: Of course, we've got great debate battles going on there

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Speaker 1: with one of their host I guess contributors suggesting that

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Speaker 1: people that support Trump that happened to be black Americans

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Speaker 1: or mediocre negros. Sheriff David Clark had to weigh in

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Speaker 1: on that and fired back at that stupid comment, ignorant comment,

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Speaker 1: Robert Reich's weight in. And then you've got Josh Ernest

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Speaker 1: making an unsubstantiated claim against Congressman Tom Price, who is

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Speaker 1: slated to be the Health and Human Services secretary anyway.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now, Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson is with us,

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Speaker 1: author of the book bestseller Dereliction of Duty and eye

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Speaker 1: witness account of how Bill Clinton compromised America's national security.

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Speaker 1: Gary Byrne, a decorated White House Secret Service veteran who

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Speaker 1: witnessed a lot of the obscenity filled rages and violent

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Speaker 1: behavior at the Clinton White House. He wrote the book

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Speaker 1: Crisis of Character, a White House Secret Service officer discloses

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Speaker 1: his firsthand experience with Hillary Bill and how they operate.

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Speaker 1: Welcome both of you to the program. Gary, I'll start

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Speaker 1: with you and think back to your capacity of being

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Speaker 1: outside the Oval Office for all those years when Bill

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Speaker 1: Clinton was president. The Secret Service is referring to this

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Speaker 1: inauguration as as the most unique in terms of threats

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Speaker 1: that they've ever experienced. Do you see that? Yeah? I do, Sean.

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Speaker 1: First of all, it's nice to be with you again.

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Speaker 1: And I worked three inaugural fliers in the Second Service

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Speaker 1: Uniform Division, two for President Clinton and one for George W.

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Speaker 1: And they're they're they all have some similarities, which they're

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Speaker 1: always very large. Um. Two of the most important things

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Speaker 1: that you know about the inaugurals is during the same

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Speaker 1: place every four years. But that also gives the Secret

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Speaker 1: Service of the advantage of they've done this many times. Um,

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Speaker 1: them and their partners with the FBI and other law enforcements.

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Speaker 1: You know, they'll have to direct together, believe me, but

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Speaker 1: it is it is a huge hand. Well, this is

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Speaker 1: a massive undertaking. I mean, I've I've got to assume

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Speaker 1: you need a literally a bubble created, a three hundred

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Speaker 1: sixty degree bubble where anybody that wants to get inside

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Speaker 1: that bubble needs to be checked. Is that possible? Yes,

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Speaker 1: it is from the White House all the way up

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Speaker 1: to the capital, about two or three blocks left in

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Speaker 1: right of that that path will be closed off, pretty

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Speaker 1: much like the security you would need to get into

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Speaker 1: an airport. Well what if what if somebody? And I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking out of the box here because these

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Speaker 1: sounds like this sounds like real threats by real people.

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Speaker 1: And look, I know a lot of people discussed this

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Speaker 1: one when Obama came in office, President Obama and and

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00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: and people thought about the threat assessment then. And now

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Speaker 1: we've got these people that are opening openly threatening Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean for the Secret Service? And what

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Speaker 1: if somebody, God forbid snuck a gun in already? Right,

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Speaker 1: all those things you're talking about are possible, not likely.

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Speaker 1: But here's one thing that there are threats. Do get

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Speaker 1: to speak a service now? That gives them reason to

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Speaker 1: go and start interviewing them. Right now, both speeds at

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Speaker 1: are pulling people, you know, uh, figuring they already know

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Speaker 1: who a lot of these people are, start pulling them aside,

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Speaker 1: start interviewing them, and uh, and maybe they can actually

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Speaker 1: beating with some of this stuff now because that they

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Speaker 1: were open threats. Okay from your position, Lieutenant Colonel Buzz Patterson.

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Speaker 1: To me, this is a massive undertaking and a great

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Speaker 1: risk for everybody. Well, it definitely is on. And I

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Speaker 1: was in the inauguration and also in the parade back

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Speaker 1: to the White House, and I remember how massive it

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Speaker 1: was back in those days. There are probably today about

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Speaker 1: twenty eight thousand security officers and officials that are working

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Speaker 1: this secret Service guys, FBI, Park Police, Capital Police, National Guard.

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Speaker 1: Is actually what they call the Multi Agency Command Center

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Speaker 1: of the MAC, which has all these agencies there in

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Speaker 1: the room communicating with each other while this goes on.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a massive, huge pot print, a massive undertaking,

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Speaker 1: and I do believe this is a very unique one

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Speaker 1: in terms of the threat that done on some faces.

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Speaker 1: I have no have no doubt, however, whatsoever, that the

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Speaker 1: Sickeret Service guys, the FBI, they've all done their job.

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Speaker 1: They're doing their digital right as we speak. Their space

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Speaker 1: over the Washington is used to be closed on Friday.

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01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: They won't beat the way anybody can can get from

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Speaker 1: the air or on the ground in my estimation. All right,

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Speaker 1: so do you think that this is a different time

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Speaker 1: and do you think the threat that that they're talking

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Speaker 1: about openly. Do you do you view this as a real,

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01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: clear present danger. Do you think it's any don't you

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01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: think every president is facing this threat? Now I think

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Speaker 1: it's a little different this time because one of the

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Speaker 1: things that we've got three of us know but we

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01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:20,919
Speaker 1: just haven't discussed yet here is in the last eight years,

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Speaker 1: President Obama has gone out of his way to reduce

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Speaker 1: the respect the best way to put it here, to

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01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 1: reduce the respect of law enforcement. Now you've got thousands

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Speaker 1: and thousands of anarchists who don't really respect to law

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Speaker 1: enforcement like they used to. They think it's okay to

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Speaker 1: attack them, and that will play into what we see

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Speaker 1: happen on in our room. Explain what you mean by

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Speaker 1: that a little more detail. So you know when President

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Speaker 1: one of the first things to happen when President Obama

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Speaker 1: took office was this friend of his that was a

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Speaker 1: professor got arrested for destroying private property and he was

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Speaker 1: arrested by the police. And the first thing that the

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Speaker 1: President Obama said was the police officer did something stupid

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Speaker 1: because he knew this guy, which is incredibly, uh, kind

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Speaker 1: of silly to say. And then later on we saw

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Speaker 1: President Obama. Whenever you know, something happened with uh, somebody

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Speaker 1: getting shot, an African American getting shot, they right away

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Speaker 1: they took the side of the of the so called victim,

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Speaker 1: and they basically attacked a law enforcement, law enforcements to

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Speaker 1: aggressive law enforcements. This law enforcement does the best they

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Speaker 1: can with the tools they have, and then nine nine

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Speaker 1: percent of the time they get it right. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: it's that one percent of the time I guess that

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Speaker 1: we've got to worry about. And I even't even mentioned

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Speaker 1: radical Islamic terrorism. And I'm sure desire by isis to

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Speaker 1: take this moment where we have a change in government

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Speaker 1: and the peaceful transfer of power and use it to

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Speaker 1: their advantage if they see one. Yeah, I have to say,

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Speaker 1: also shown that there's also a lot of programs in

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Speaker 1: place that exists around the clock to the White House

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Speaker 1: and the President that are already there existing in terms

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Speaker 1: of having hospitals on alert, will be evacuation roots planned, um,

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Speaker 1: they'll have helicopter pix wing assets on alert around the

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Speaker 1: area to get Mr Trump, President TRUP out of harm's

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Speaker 1: relation that come to that. So this is not unusual

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Speaker 1: that we have high security around the president. President Trump,

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Speaker 1: I think is an usual um uh protected as it were.

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Speaker 1: But that's what we reassure everybody to ate. A lot

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Speaker 1: of presidents when a lot of presidents, when they are

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Speaker 1: in the inaugural parade after they've taken the oath of

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Speaker 1: office and they go down Pennsylvania Avenue, a lot of

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Speaker 1: them over the years get out of the car for

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Speaker 1: a period of time and they walk. Yeah, so that

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Speaker 1: part of the motorcade is there's a there's a point

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Speaker 1: there where the Secret Service they've already told the president

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Speaker 1: there's a point if you want to get out of

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Speaker 1: the car, this is where you can get out. And

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Speaker 1: they've taken some some um security. So in other words,

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Speaker 1: that would be a predetermined area, absolutely, and it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the secured area close to the band stands because

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Speaker 1: the standard they bet because that stands. That's not just

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Speaker 1: a bunch of bleachers. The colonel can tell you that

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01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 1: it takes about a month to build it and it's

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01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: like a regular structure. It's just temporary. This is something

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Speaker 1: that maybe I shouldn't even ask, but I'll ask anyway.

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Speaker 1: Would this be an event where the president and the

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Speaker 1: incoming president the outgoing president would probably be wearing a vest,

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Speaker 1: you know what their shift leaders and themselves for that

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Speaker 1: particular day. It depends what protecting they are. Yeah, were

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Speaker 1: exactly right. It was always situational in my time, they're

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Speaker 1: shown him a situational the president, President Clitt in this

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Speaker 1: case would take the advice of the of the of

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Speaker 1: the lead and where what he did on Occasionally my

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Speaker 1: time there were one I would I would probably advocate

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Speaker 1: that in the situation. Yeah, and that is there is

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Speaker 1: there a possible Is there such a vest design now

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Speaker 1: that nobody would even know you had it on? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're pretty good with that. Actually, I just

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Speaker 1: got I just got the chance to stop too long

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Speaker 1: ago to look at some some modern um. The president

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01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,959
Speaker 1: has access to the latest stuff nowadays. What they're wearing

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Speaker 1: is the state of the yard. It is dinner and

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01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: it will stop rifle ball. So yeah, it's out there, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But then that doesn't stop a headshot. Doesn't know it

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Speaker 1: does not, and that's where the Secret Service comes in

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Speaker 1: and so scared. But all we're talking about here so scary.

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Speaker 1: When I just read to you what Anonymous and all

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Speaker 1: these other groups are doing, you know what does that

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Speaker 1: due to your antenna because it puts my TenneT through

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Speaker 1: the roof. Well, for me, it's just been it would

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Speaker 1: be another day of the office. I mean that's what

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01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: the Secret Service and the FBI and their partners. They're

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01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: doing this. This is what they go through every day.

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Speaker 1: It's just I don't want to make it sound a

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Speaker 1: lack of datable or or or I'll bet I'm laid

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Speaker 1: back about it, but it's the it's the threat. Just

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01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: like what the colonel had to do with what his

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01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: job was at the White House. I mean he might

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Speaker 1: have had to run up there with those codes and

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Speaker 1: and help the president launch an attack. It's just what

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01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: the job is, all right, guys, I want to thank

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01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 1: you both our thoughts and prayers, and I said, there's

1243
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,760
Speaker 1: many times during the Obama years to my thoughts and prayers.

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01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: We must protect our elected officials. And what I'm reading

1245
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: sounds pretty scary every day. But if I win, I

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01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: am going to instruct my Attorney General to get a

1247
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:48,160
Speaker 1: special prosecutor to look into your situation because there has

1248
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 1: never been so many lies, so much deception, there has

1249
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 1: never been anything like it, and we're gonna have a

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Speaker 1: special prosecutor. When I speak I go out and speak.

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Speaker 1: The people of the country are furious. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: the people that have been long term workers at the

1253
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 1: FBI are furious. There has never been anything like this

1254
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,360
Speaker 1: where emails and you get a subpoena, You get a subpoena,

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Speaker 1: and after getting the subpoena, you delete thirty three thousand

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Speaker 1: emails and then you ascid wash him or bleach him,

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Speaker 1: as you would say. So we're gonna get a special

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Speaker 1: prosecutor and we're gonna look into it, because you know

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01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,920
Speaker 1: what people have been Their lives have been destroyed for

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Speaker 1: doing one fifth of what you've done. And it's a

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Speaker 1: disgrace and honestly, you ought to be ashamed of you.

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Speaker 1: That's old Senator Cane last night. If either of our

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Speaker 1: sons in the military handled classified information the same way

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Speaker 1: Secretary Clinton did, they'd be court martials. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: the hard truth of all this. And the American people

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01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: are tired of You saw the man with a picture

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Speaker 1: of the submarine. His mother goes around, she's devastated, devastated

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Speaker 1: took pictures of a submarine. They took the kid who

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Speaker 1: wanted some use of the submarine. That's an old submarine.

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Speaker 1: They got plenty of pictures of the enemy. Wats them,

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Speaker 1: They've got plenty of them. He wanted them, took a

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Speaker 1: couple of pictures. They put him in jail for a year.

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Speaker 1: I saw his mother the other night on television. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what, folks, we've never been in a situation

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Speaker 1: like this. Why didn't they protect a kid has taken

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Speaker 1: a couple of pictures of a submarine that's an old submarine,

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Speaker 1: and they put him in jail. They put him in jail.

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Speaker 1: Lovely family, lovely mother. They put him in jail because

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Speaker 1: he wanted to have some remembrance of where he worked.

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Speaker 1: Let's be clear, Chelsea Manning has served a tough prison sense.

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Speaker 1: So the notion that the average person who was thinking

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Speaker 1: about disclosing vital classified information would think that it goes unpunished,

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Speaker 1: I don't think would get that impression from the sentence

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Speaker 1: that Chelsea Manning has served. It has been my view that,

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Speaker 1: given she went to trial, that due process was carried out,

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Speaker 1: that she took responsibility for her crime, that the sentence

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Speaker 1: that she received was very disproportional, disproportionate relative to what

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Speaker 1: uh other leakers had received. Really so Manning was convicted

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Speaker 1: of stealing and distributing SEVENFOD military documents, which was published

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Speaker 1: both by Wiki Leaks and The New York Times and others.

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Speaker 1: But Manning is the one that stole them, and that

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Speaker 1: sentence was community. And then Donald Trump was talking about,

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01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: of course, Christian Saucier, and he got a one year

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Speaker 1: federal prison term because he was proud that he worked

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Speaker 1: in a submarine and for his own private personal use,

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Speaker 1: he took six pictures inside the submarine. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: other sailors had done the same thing and nothing happened

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Speaker 1: to them, or they got a slight slap on the wrist.

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Speaker 1: And this guy is now in jail while his mother

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Speaker 1: and his wife and his baby girl waiting for Daddy

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01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: to get out of prison. Six pictures of a submarine. Really.

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Saucier is the mother of Christian Saucier, the U. S.

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Speaker 1: Navy sailor, and Dr Jeff Atticott is the director of

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Speaker 1: the Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary's University School

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01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: of Lawn, San Antonio, and he took up Christian's case

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01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: pro bono because he feels that Christian Saucier is experiencing

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01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,879
Speaker 1: an injustice at the hands of the U. S. Military

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Speaker 1: and government. Kathleen, I'm just assuming you're wishing that this

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01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: at least commutation, but hopefully a pardon was given to

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Speaker 1: your own son. Absolutely, and I'm grateful that you had

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Speaker 1: both of us on because um, Jeffrey has supported and

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01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: taken on the fight along with Ron, who you met

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01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: the last time we were on, and he submitted a

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Speaker 1: pardon request to the president administration, President Obama. We understand

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01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: there's time constraints and things like that, but hearing this

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01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 1: news about Chelsea Manning as well as General Cartwright today

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01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm sure there's to be even more

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01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: today and tomorrow, it just shocks me. It disgusts me.

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01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 1: As you said, to hear seven fifty thousand that she

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01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 1: admitted she was wrong, she accepted responsibility. Those are all

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01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,599
Speaker 1: the same things that my son did. He said, Okay, look,

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01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,680
Speaker 1: I took six photos, never transmitted them, never anything like that.

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01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: And he's sitting in Have you have you heard it

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01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:22,760
Speaker 1: all from the White House since you submitted this application

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Speaker 1: for a pardon pardon? I have not personally, but I'll

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Speaker 1: let Jeffrey Atticott speak. Jeffrey, has anybody heard from the

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Speaker 1: White House and now since Obama now has commuted one thousand,

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Speaker 1: three d eighty five sentences, more than any president in

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Speaker 1: the history of the country, and has granted two d

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Speaker 1: and twelve pardons. Have you heard anything in this case, No,

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01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: not yet. That we have two petitions we submitted one

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Speaker 1: for clemency and the other four pardon and to get

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01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: a pardon, of course, you have to also submit a

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01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: request for a waiver. We haven't heard anything. Of course,

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01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: in a bureaucracy. Uh. You know, I didn't really expect

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01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,439
Speaker 1: to hear anything, did you Do you have anybody on

1337
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 1: Capitol Hill that is pleading your case for you? Well,

1338
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: we're reaching out to everybody, and that's why we're very

1339
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: grateful Sean be on your show, because it's a matter

1340
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: of putting his tastes on the fast track where somebody

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01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 1: in the Trump administration picks up the phone to the

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01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: parton Attorney's office and says, you know, I want this

1343
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: on my desk in two weeks so I can make

1344
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,439
Speaker 1: a determination. Uh. I was a military officer. I was

1345
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: the senior legal advisor to all the United States Army

1346
01:11:21,040 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: Special Force of the Green Braves. Twenty years in the military,

1347
01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:27,800
Speaker 1: so I know what classification is and what deece on

1348
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 1: the seriousness of these types of matters, but in this case,

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01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 1: it's a gross injustice. What happened to the sailor and

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01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: we all know the reason that it happened. He was

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01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: a He was, you know, put on the altar of

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01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: political correctness because the FBI was being criticized along with

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01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice, that they were doing nothing about

1354
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: Clinton's classified issues. So they held him out and they said, oh, really,

1355
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,719
Speaker 1: we are concerned with classified stuff. They took this caste

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01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: from the Navy who had jurisdiction and they crucified him. Unbelievable.

1357
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: And Kathleen, when Donald Trump talked about that, that was

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01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: the night or was the day after you had appeared

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01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: my television program. He had watched it on my show

1360
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: and even asked me about it at one point. And

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01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,800
Speaker 1: so I don't know what Obama's gonna do. And one

1362
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,479
Speaker 1: I asked to wonder in these final hours, if I

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01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:12,160
Speaker 1: wonder if Hillary Clinton gets some type of pardon in

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01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:14,480
Speaker 1: other words, for remember, if you go back to Watergate

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01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: and Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford for crimes committed or

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01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: may have been committed, the power of the pardon is

1367
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,439
Speaker 1: absolutely no. There is absolutely nothing you can do if

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01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: you get a pardon. But I gotta tell you if

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01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 1: if you haven't heard from anybody, I would suspect that

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01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: this is not on the front burner. Is there any

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01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: congressman you can talk to that would maybe call over

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01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,720
Speaker 1: to the White House and ask for a look at this. Well,

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01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: I can tell you when it was going down, when

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01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: everything was happening, I reached out to my local congressman

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01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 1: here in Connecticut, and no one was willing to help

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01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:43,439
Speaker 1: me at all our support. So I would imagine it

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01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: would take a very congeous congressman somewhere in the United States. Well,

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01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 1: I know who could do it. I know who. We

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01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 1: can put you in touch. How many more favors can

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01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: I ask poorla Louis Gohmer to do for me, Linda?

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01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: But you know what is there any way? Maybe we

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01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean they hate Louis over at the White House though, right?

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01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 1: Is there any congressman or woman that Obama, anyone that

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01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: we know that would do this? Paul, Well, he won't

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: take my call. Speaker. Well, I mean I'd love somebody.

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01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 1: I mean, at the very least, maybe Marcia Blackburn. Can

1387
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: we ask her to do this, she would do it.

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01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 1: It's not Remember it's not an issue for the Congress.

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01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: We've got to get to the executive brand. No, I

1390
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: know what I'm trying to get you. I'm trying to

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01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:20,680
Speaker 1: get somebody in Congress that could get to the executive

1392
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: branch for you, because obviously it's your attempts are not

1393
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 1: working out too well. If we get on your TV show.

1394
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about when Donald Trump gets in office.

1395
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: I'll ask him myself at some point, you know, right

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01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 1: when he gets in there. But um, he's got a

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01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: lot going on in those first few days. Maybe if

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01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: people call Congress, I'll do this now two o two,

1399
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: two to one, and respectfully ask your congressman, you're a congresswoman,

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01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: if they'll take up the cause of Christian Saucier and

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01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: ask the President if he would give this guy a

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01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 1: pardon and remind them, in other words, if they could

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01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: just make a call over to the White House in

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01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:57,120
Speaker 1: the Office of Pardons or I don't know what they

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01:13:57,160 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 1: call the office the do they have an office of pardoning?

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: It's called okay, so call them. No one will answer

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01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,760
Speaker 1: the phone. No, I'm saying, but the Congress can get

1408
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: in touch with them. I mean, if need be, they

1409
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: could walk over your file for crying out loud. All right, Uh,

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01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna pass that on. Kathleen. You're in our thoughts

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01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: and prayers. We're not giving up on this issue, regardless

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01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: of what Obama does. Okay, we will continue to advance this. Yeah,

1413
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,360
Speaker 1: we are. I know it's hard. I'm sorry. You deserve better.

1414
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:25,720
Speaker 1: And you know what I tweeted out. Remember the letter

1415
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 1: the FBI sent to M. L K Junior to kill himself.

1416
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,439
Speaker 1: You see, I tweeted that out today. Amazing the comment.

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01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 1: Oh but of course our intelligence is just perfect, you know.

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01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: All right, Rhonda's in Colorado. Hey, Rhonda, how are you

1419
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 1: glad you called? I am great. I'm so excited to

1420
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:42,880
Speaker 1: talk to you today. I've been trying to get in

1421
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: touch for years. I'm so glad you got through welcoming board.

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01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: I know. Thank you so much. UM, thanks for all

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01:14:49,160 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: you do. UM. I think you did a great job

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01:14:51,439 --> 01:14:55,720
Speaker 1: in helping out our new president to be elected. And UM,

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01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,240
Speaker 1: actually I got a chance to meet him in Colorado

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01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: when he was here last October. Awesome. And he's a

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01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 1: great guy. And I think you'll do a good job, wonderful.

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01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: I agree. Um, I'm really concerned about you. I know

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01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to the inaugural ball and you're trying

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01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:14,360
Speaker 1: to figure out what to wear, and as crazy as

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01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: the protesters can be, you'll get your tux ruined. I

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01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,200
Speaker 1: think you should go in jeans. I think it's important

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01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: that you go in jeans. All right, I want to

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01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:24,640
Speaker 1: go in jeans. And I was willing to I was

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01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,640
Speaker 1: willing to do it. Here's the problem. Do you have

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01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:31,120
Speaker 1: a boss and I have bosses too, right, I have

1437
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: been ordered to wear the tucks pants and all and

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01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 1: this was non get this. I was told it's non negotiable.

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01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: Now I said, I'm not wearing the dopey bow tie

1440
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 1: and they said, okay, you don't have to wear a

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01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,680
Speaker 1: bow tie. But I was you know, I even got

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01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 1: a call from my boss's office telling me you've never

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01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: been in Washington Correspondence dinner. You will be going this year.

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01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: And I said I don't want to go. And I said,

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01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: we don't care if you want to go. And I

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01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 1: said it's on a Saturday night. I don't have to

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01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: work Saturday nights. And then get go back and read

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01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: your country rack. We do what we you, we tell

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01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 1: you to do. And I said, all right, we'll deal

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01:16:03,240 --> 01:16:05,240
Speaker 1: with that in April, but I'm not going. I've never

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01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: been there. I want to keep my perfect track record up.

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01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:09,800
Speaker 1: And they're saying, no, you've got to be there because

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01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 1: you were the leading voice on the channel and support

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01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: of the new president, and and we want you there

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01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:16,720
Speaker 1: there would be nice about it, but I'm like, but

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01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I don't want to see

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01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: Wolf Blitzer and Jake Tapper and all these media people

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01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:23,760
Speaker 1: I hate. I don't want to see them. They hate

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01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: me and I hate them, let's be honest. And all

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01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: the people at MSNBC, I don't want to see them either.

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01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: But they say Fox is throwing a huge party, and

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01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 1: they're like, we want you to be the bartender. And

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01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: then they guess what, and they said, and you have

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01:16:34,680 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 1: to wear a tux to that. I don't want to

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01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 1: wear a tuxedo. Whoever thought of a tuxedo. I just

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01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:41,320
Speaker 1: want to go on record and say I think that's

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01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,559
Speaker 1: really stupid that a bartender's gonna wear a tux Exactly.

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Speaker 1: I'll just throw the jacket away and take off my

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 1: tie and get rolling see a bartender and in Paris tuxpans. Listen.

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Speaker 1: I always tucked a rag on the side of my

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01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:56,360
Speaker 1: my belt and I would fly. So I'm willing a

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01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,400
Speaker 1: tend bar for the party stuff right there. Well, it

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01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 1: worked at the time my belt and I was ready

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01:17:01,160 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 1: to flat. It worked at the country seventeen I had.

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Speaker 1: I got pretty lucky back then in terms of making

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Speaker 1: out with girls, so I was pretty good. Well, I

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Speaker 1: know I'm a fat old guy now, but you can't

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Speaker 1: imagine me back into dead modesty. Don't even go with

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Speaker 1: that false modesty. I made out with a lot of

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Speaker 1: girls at the seventeen. No, I'm a fat so now,

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Speaker 1: well I am. My stomach is fat. I mean I'm strong.

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Speaker 1: I've never been stronger in my life. So my sense

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Speaker 1: now makes me do he times. You're like Kung Fu

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Speaker 1: Panda the radio set. Now, No, now he times my

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Speaker 1: hundred pushups. I have to do a hundred push ups

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Speaker 1: every day I train. How fast can you do a hundred?

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Speaker 1: You couldn't even do a hundred push ups? Be honest,

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Speaker 1: bench press, I don't need to do no pushups? Okay,

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Speaker 1: you couldn't do a hundred push ups? Could you know

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Speaker 1: I said I don't want to do push ups? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I bet you couldn't do fifty. I'll bet you a

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars you can't do fifty, and you can drop

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Speaker 1: down now while I'm doing this. Try so far, thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: You can't do I mean real down, nose to the

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Speaker 1: ground push ups, Yes I can, and I will take

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Speaker 1: that bet. I can do. You can do twenty? Could you?

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Speaker 1: And Linda, have you ever done one in your life