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Speaker 1: Long time. If you put this next segment into the

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Speaker 1: today because tomorrow is not promised. Live your life with

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Speaker 1: them tight while you got him. I received an email

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Speaker 1: from a fellow that said, years ago, your show assisted

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Speaker 1: us in the death of our Marine son, Corporal Joseph

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Speaker 1: Joey Logan. I recently released a book, Fishing with Joey,

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Speaker 1: which details our three month cross country fishing trip before

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Speaker 1: Joey was deployed to Afghanistan. During the trip, we covered

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Speaker 1: sixteen thousand miles together. It was every father's dream, and

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Speaker 1: little did I know that it would be our last.

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Speaker 1: Would your show be interested in featuring a brief interview

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Speaker 1: regarding the book and my experiences in becoming a gold

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Speaker 1: Star family member. Thank you for considering this, and of

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Speaker 1: course for your previous assistance with our family situation. Sincerely,

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Speaker 1: Tom Logan, Willis, Texas. Welcome to the program. Tom, Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much. It's been an honor. And you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: believe emotions right now, It's amazing.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: I just can't understand them, and that is because I

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Speaker 1: I suspect that what I imagine is one percent or less

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Speaker 1: is an exponential explosion of grief that you have to

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Speaker 1: have losing your son. We're not supposed to bury our children.

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Speaker 1: It's just not supposed to happen.

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Speaker 3: No, it isn't, but it happens, you know war.

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Speaker 1: The book is called Fishing with Joey, and let's take

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Speaker 1: talk about your son Joey.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about him as a kid, when he was

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Speaker 3: Joey was always that a personality he had, He had

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Speaker 1: And what was going on. Sorry, I'm sorry, they knew

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Speaker 3: He had just graduated high school. And I guess you

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Speaker 3: But he saw what my wife and I did. We

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Speaker 2: Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing

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Speaker 2: with Joey.

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Speaker 3: Where I can't believe he just said that happens that

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Speaker 2: Tom Logan is our guest. His son, Green Corporal Joey Logan.

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Speaker 1: Was deployed to Afghanistan, where he died in a helicopter crash.

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Speaker 1: Prior to that, for three months, Tom Logan traveled across

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Speaker 1: what that time meant to him, called Fishing with Joey

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Speaker 1: that many years ago y'all rode together. Y'all were partners

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Speaker 1: I said, I said, tell me some interesting things about it,

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Speaker 1: And he said, he's just a calm transplant from some

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Speaker 1: That's a different He's told me about different areas that

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Speaker 1: So when you get back, let's let's take some time.

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Speaker 1: How did you have three months? Had you retired by

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I had just retired in two thousand and eight.

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Speaker 3: How can there be a microsurgeon on call at four

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Speaker 1: I would love to find out who that hand surgeon was.

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Speaker 1: When would this have been and where this was?

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Speaker 3: Graduated high school two thousand and eight, so it'd be

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Speaker 3: May June, so that would be uh, that be timeline.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, so that's made June of nine. Has he

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Speaker 2: graduated because he's graduated at that point.

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Speaker 3: He graduated on eight. Okay, so you got to back up,

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Speaker 3: so it would be the beginning of the beginning of eight.

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Speaker 2: And where was the surgeon? Where was the surgery performed?

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Speaker 3: From my knowledge, they took them to Ben Tobin.

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Speaker 2: From there, We're we're in a panic mode.

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Speaker 3: I didn't couldn't even tell you. I've got I got

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Speaker 2: On just a second. The book is called Fishing with Joey.

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Speaker 1: We're coming on the most dangerous places between Sheila Jackson

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Speaker 1: But I spent three months with his son, Joey Logan

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Speaker 1: On just a moment, Hold on, just a moment. Ton

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Speaker 1: Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing with Joey.

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Speaker 1: This is not a war story. This is his story

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Speaker 1: Make memories, folks, upon you still can You just don't know.

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Speaker 1: We're not promised tomorrow. HPD officer Tom Logan had retired

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Speaker 1: Dad and he go on a three month cross country

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Speaker 1: on Amazon or at any bookstore or wherever else you

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Speaker 1: buy your books. Is there a website for this book, Tom, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's on Amazon.

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Speaker 3: You see, click on it and you just put in

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Speaker 3: fishing for Joey and it comes up, you know, for

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Speaker 3: sale there in Amazon. I like to say something about

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Speaker 3: Amazon too. The book is in the pretty much religious,

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Speaker 3: spiritual Christian book and death and grief category and right

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Speaker 3: now is sitting at number one as far as Amazon,

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Speaker 3: and it's rated at five stars. So I was, that's good, right,

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Speaker 3: That is amazing And nothing at the five star in

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Speaker 3: this world, buddy, it's always four and three eighths or

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Speaker 3: whatever else or a two.

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Speaker 1: You are you are a five star gold star bad.

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Speaker 1: I think it's fantastic that out of this grief you

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Speaker 1: manage to channel that into something that can help other people.

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Speaker 1: And and that's a very selfless act art I think

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Speaker 1: for some people to realize that. But I know you

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Speaker 1: know that as a law enforcement officer from a family

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Speaker 1: of service. I read that you're that you created a

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Speaker 1: Montana Mountain retreat out of this. Tell me about that.

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Speaker 3: Oh that was That's that's another miracle. I mean, Joey

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Speaker 3: and I fished so many places and after we came

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Speaker 3: out of British Columbia. We dropped down into Montana and Libby, Montana,

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Speaker 3: and that's when I think he fell in love with

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Speaker 3: Montana and he just talked about it, talked about it.

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Speaker 3: Matter of fact, Daniel Barrow, the pilot, was from Montana,

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Speaker 3: so I think they both had conversations about Montana while

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Speaker 3: they're flying and hanging out together. So Joey's last phone

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Speaker 3: call home that morning I was telling about earlier, was

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Speaker 3: all about buying property in Montana, building cabins for Marine

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Speaker 3: Corps buds that come back and just decompress and relax

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Speaker 3: and enjoy the enjoy the wilderness. And then, uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: that night we got the call and Debbie, my wife,

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Speaker 3: said we need to do this for Joey. That's his legacy.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, it's really hard for me to go

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Speaker 3: back and retrace all those places and all the memories

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Speaker 3: were well up, and she said, oh, we're doing it.

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Speaker 3: So we ended up getting into We went in a

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Speaker 3: Toyota Corolla and drove all the way back to Montana,

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Speaker 3: talked to a couple of real estate agents and we

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Speaker 3: finally found this beautiful piece of Montana wilderness. One hundred

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Speaker 3: and sixty five acres four miles up on a mountain

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Speaker 3: road in the middle of Lolo National Forest and Lolo

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Speaker 3: National Forest. Surrounding our property is three thousand, one hundred

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Speaker 3: and fifty square miles of Montana, Idaho wilderness. So's it's

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Speaker 3: it's unbelievable that that happened. You know, there's no there's

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Speaker 3: no possible way unless the hand of God just died

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Speaker 3: this right to the place. And from there we started

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Speaker 3: building six cabins and one in honor of each of

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Speaker 3: our fallen marines. And we've got five out of six

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Speaker 3: up and running. We've got one more to put up,

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Speaker 3: and our goal is to get our combat veterans and

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Speaker 3: disabled veterans up there and let them enjoy what Joey

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Speaker 3: and I enjoyed and what we love and beautifless off

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Speaker 3: the grid. A lot of times there's no cell phone

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Speaker 3: or internet reception, so you've got to enjoy your surroundings.

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Speaker 3: You can't be on the phone round the laptop, you know,

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Speaker 3: connecting with the real world. And that's what it's all about.

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Speaker 3: Disconnect and relax and look at the stars at night,

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Speaker 3: look at the wilderness, Goana Height, the Clark Fork, River

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Speaker 3: is right down the mountain below us and there's fishing there, kayaking, canoeing,

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Speaker 3: all kinds of outdoor activities. So if you love the outdoors,

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Speaker 3: it's a perfect place to bring yourself, your fellow Marines, soldiers, Navy,

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Speaker 3: and your families because we want to have a family

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Speaker 3: orient because when guys come back from the deployment, they're disconnected.

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Speaker 3: They never leave the war, and their families suffer, their

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Speaker 3: kids suffer, their wife suffer. People don't understand the PTSD

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Speaker 3: and everything else that is wrapped up in their minds,

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Speaker 3: plus the physical physical injuries. It's a really hard road

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Speaker 3: to tow. Matter of fact, I'm going to a PTSD

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Speaker 3: meeting every Tuesday at the Messodist Church in the Woodlands

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Speaker 3: strictly for combat PTSD veterans, and I guess I got grief.

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Speaker 3: Grief and PTSD demeter same things. Because all we do

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Speaker 3: is think about what happened. It's hard, it's hard to

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Speaker 3: hard to process. So that's why we're up there in

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Speaker 3: Montana and we do it seasonally from in May until

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Speaker 3: October before the snow starts hitting again. That we're back

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Speaker 3: to Texas working and stuff. Here.

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Speaker 1: I'm involved with a group called the PTSD Foundation of

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Speaker 1: America and a residential facility called Camp Hope.

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Speaker 3: And that's yeah, that's that's where these guys come from.

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Speaker 3: Camp Hope. Yeah. And I'm gonna I'm a good probably

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Speaker 3: hopefully this week or actually do a tour with them

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Speaker 3: and talk to their management up there and see if

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Speaker 3: they can figure out how to send a group of

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Speaker 3: guys up there to just to That's what I was thinking.

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Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. What a neat deal.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and sixty four acres next to the Lolo

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Speaker 1: National Forest in Montana and soon to be six cabins

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Speaker 1: five so far. That's uh, you know that that is

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Speaker 1: really that's incredible. That y'all have been able to pull

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Speaker 1: that off is incredible. Two police officers and able to

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Speaker 1: make this a reality is man, It's just it's uh,

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Speaker 1: it really is amazing.

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Speaker 2: I have about a minute left.

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Speaker 1: Why don't you share with us how you deal with

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Speaker 1: what has to be crippling.

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Speaker 2: Grief?

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Speaker 1: Have you learned some things that you can share on that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? And I think that's a basic is it for

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Speaker 3: the book? I want to share what I do and

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Speaker 3: with other gold Star families all over the country, all

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Speaker 3: over the world, and it's finding something positive every day,

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Speaker 3: something that makes you happy. Relive the good memories and

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Speaker 3: bad memories will always be there, but take it upon

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Speaker 3: yourself to enjoy every minute of your life. Enjoy your family,

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Speaker 3: your children, and the people that surround you that are

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Speaker 3: good people, and make it a celebration of their lives.

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Speaker 3: And that's what it's all about, as far as I'm concerned,

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Speaker 3: And every every day I get up, I've got so

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Speaker 3: many hobbies with the outdoors and hunting and fishing and

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Speaker 3: stuff like that. And I was working with Healing Water

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Speaker 3: for a while, helping them build fly rods or disabled

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Speaker 3: vets and fishing and stuff like that. So I always

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Speaker 3: get involved with a like minded group and people that

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Speaker 3: they love their kids as much as we love ours.

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Speaker 1: Thank you telling your story. Thank you for your family service.

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Speaker 1: The book is called Fishing with Joey