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Speaker 1: welcome to another edition of the the Club Shasha. I am
Speaker 1: your host, also the Proprieder Club Shasha and the guy
Speaker 1: that's stopping by for a drinking conversation today. Is a
Speaker 1: two time NBA champ, NBA sixth Man of the Year,
Speaker 1: Olympic medalist, one of the best basketball players to come
Speaker 1: out of the state of New York. New York Times
Speaker 1: best selling author, and reality TV star Lamar Odom Lamar.
Speaker 1: How you doing, Rock, I'm good, Bro' never been better.
Speaker 1: Good to see you. You look good, I'm healthy. You help, sir.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about you had a big new purchase that
Speaker 1: was friending and everybody was talking about it. The grill,
Speaker 1: The grill, the grill talk. Tell us about the grill.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just moved back to California, right, So
Speaker 1: I got you moved back from Cali from where? From Atlanta?
Speaker 1: How was Atlanta and what was it like? It was cool?
Speaker 1: It was cool. I like Atlanta. You like it? But
Speaker 1: I mean I went to the strip club last night.
Speaker 1: I was there magic. I don't know which one was
Speaker 1: it strokers? It was one one and the honest half
Speaker 1: of the strip club. Half of the dudes. They had
Speaker 1: their pistols on their hip. Oh yeah, Jordan, the state
Speaker 1: of George. Yes, they open carry, so everybody can carry
Speaker 1: a piece absolutely where I don't come from. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: comfortable when I say a pistol. Yeah. You want my
Speaker 1: grandfather to say, boy, if you gotta take a gun
Speaker 1: to go somewhere, you don't need to be in that place. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, oh yeah, everybody, everybody straps everybody. You know,
Speaker 1: this ain't the place with me. Now I have these
Speaker 1: young dudes on drugs. You know what I'm saying, right Like,
Speaker 1: it's probably time to get out of here, right out
Speaker 1: of here. So tell us about the teeth you decided
Speaker 1: to get you managed. My manager wanted me to get
Speaker 1: new chief to Gina Rod Right. She wanted you to
Speaker 1: get the new teeth man new Lamar. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: reverse the rebth of Lamar. Yeah, NBA legend. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to the beginning, New York City. What was it
Speaker 1: like growing up in South Jamaica, Queens? What did Lamar
Speaker 1: old him always aspire to be? Uh, the next manage Johnson.
Speaker 1: I think that's what kind of stirred me in the
Speaker 1: right path, because that's what that's what everybody was saying.
Speaker 1: Sixteen guy, lefty, but can handle the ball. He wasn't
Speaker 1: a center, he wasn't a four. He's the point. I
Speaker 1: was a guard, Yeah, a point guard. I wish I
Speaker 1: would have got drafted as a I wish I had
Speaker 1: in college. I wish I would have laid my position
Speaker 1: point guard, right, because that's what I got. That was
Speaker 1: what I would have got drafted at, right, And that's
Speaker 1: what everybody would have played me as that's played my career.
Speaker 1: But because well, I mean, I think the thing is
Speaker 1: because you were so versatile. Yes, you could handle the ball,
Speaker 1: but you're skilled. You could play with your back to
Speaker 1: the basket, YEA saying the point guard is different. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And being a player on
Speaker 1: a court that can handle the ball right, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, totally different positions. So but and I
Speaker 1: always played the game point guards, point of view right,
Speaker 1: no matter what position I was. So in other words,
Speaker 1: you wanted the ball to be more in your hand
Speaker 1: because you felt you got Yeah, you are a guy
Speaker 1: that just getting. But I understand, I understand the tempo
Speaker 1: right on how to you know speed? If we should
Speaker 1: push it on, slow it down right? I think that's
Speaker 1: where I was always one of the two guards and
Speaker 1: of the train of offense right, either me or Kobe
Speaker 1: on me and fish. So as highly recruited as you
Speaker 1: were coming out of the state of New York, why
Speaker 1: did you choose Rhode Out? Oh that was a long story.
Speaker 1: Well I was supposed to go to you in nov Okay,
Speaker 1: but they said I had cheated on my SAT tests. Okay,
Speaker 1: did you how how somebody sixteen black man gonna cheat
Speaker 1: on the SAT tests? Yeah, it sain't well five three
Speaker 1: first year dude, dude scored too much? So what you scored? Two?
Speaker 1: Way too high? Hold at your question? What you score?
Speaker 1: It's like almost like an eighteen hundred and something. Hold
Speaker 1: you got eighteen? So what were your grades like in
Speaker 1: high schools, like, damn there seventy So it didn't match up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, You're gonna be an average
Speaker 1: student and you damn the start him he saw it
Speaker 1: too much. You don't blame him not you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You don't blame him sitting. I mean he
Speaker 1: was supposed to miss a few more quifers. Huh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you go to roll out and you make the
Speaker 1: most of a situation that you didn't want. You didn't
Speaker 1: think you were gonna be it, so I had to be.
Speaker 1: I had to sit out one year. Okay, I played
Speaker 1: the next year. I had a big time shot to
Speaker 1: beat Temple Right, I'm started going to NBA. Okay, you
Speaker 1: go to the NBA. You high an agent, So what
Speaker 1: what what are you hearing when you when you go
Speaker 1: to the draft camp and when you go visit these teams?
Speaker 1: What are they telling Lamorrow? Though I could have been
Speaker 1: a number one pick, no doubt in my mind, if
Speaker 1: you had gone back another year in college or that
Speaker 1: that year, I could have been in numb on pick.
Speaker 1: But I had my interview with the Chicago Bulls, Okay,
Speaker 1: and they didn't really go too well, how you f
Speaker 1: up a job interview? Now about the interview A mom? No, no,
Speaker 1: you know it was something like a really really personal
Speaker 1: Jerry Krauss called blessing. Yeah. I was having dinner with him, right,
Speaker 1: and he was He asked me, did I did I
Speaker 1: have problems on the court concentrate in? Because my father
Speaker 1: was HIV positive. My father never had a discussion with
Speaker 1: me before, right, and so, like I ain't know whether
Speaker 1: to be offended or like gave him the question he wanted.
Speaker 1: So I kind of like just rushed it. It was
Speaker 1: like a dickhead to him, though, Okay, and if you're
Speaker 1: like blew it, Okay, you lose your mom at a
Speaker 1: very young age and colon cancer. Your dad I think
Speaker 1: it addicted to heroin. Yeah, so he ended up contracting HIV. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you never You and your dad never had that discussion.
Speaker 1: Did you feel were you ashamed? It's because do you
Speaker 1: feel you always? Sam? What's he ashamed? Because I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know because I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think he I don't know if he knew my father.
Speaker 1: Me and my father never had that conversation, right know,
Speaker 1: If you know what type of relationship did you have
Speaker 1: with your father at that time? It was it was
Speaker 1: getting better, Okay, getting better. Did did you feel that
Speaker 1: once your mother had passed away that did you think
Speaker 1: your father probably should have liked dad? You need to
Speaker 1: clean up your act. You need to. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you had siblings that you have sling So did
Speaker 1: you feel your did you feel some type of way because, uh,
Speaker 1: towards your dad? But no, I never really I never
Speaker 1: really blamed him at that point in time. At that
Speaker 1: point in time, I didn't really understand addiction. But I
Speaker 1: kind of like really didn't blame him for his addiction. Okay, right,
Speaker 1: I'm saying almost like felt pitiful for Did you wish
Speaker 1: you had had that discussion to have a understanding of addiction? Yeah?
Speaker 1: You say you was kind of a rest is soul
Speaker 1: Jared Cross. You said you was kind of a lack
Speaker 1: of a better word, dick head to him. So what
Speaker 1: did you say? So when he asked you, he asked you,
Speaker 1: how did you feel about your dad being an HIV positive? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well you remember not you're on a job interview. You
Speaker 1: try to get this job. That's what you're trying to do.
Speaker 1: You try to get this job. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: if I answered the question right. Did you felt it was?
Speaker 1: Did you feel it was too personal of a question?
Speaker 1: At that time, I had no idea that the NBA
Speaker 1: was that they'd ask questions like that, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like that involved you thought it was You
Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be all basketball related questions. Hot, Yeah,
Speaker 1: how old when you started playing basketball? Who is your
Speaker 1: favorite basketball player? I didn't really think they was gonna
Speaker 1: be asking me questions about this neighborhood drug deal or
Speaker 1: this guy from my neighborhood rush? Did you get so?
Speaker 1: Like in the NFL to give you what they call
Speaker 1: the one to lick tests, it was just standardized tests
Speaker 1: to see your corn, you see how well your function,
Speaker 1: and they ask questions. Do they give you a test
Speaker 1: like that in the NBA? No, not that, No, not
Speaker 1: to I can't remember nothing like that. I think they
Speaker 1: more feel like they just know you from recruiting me. Right,
Speaker 1: so watching when you're not watching? When? How well were
Speaker 1: you prepared to do those interviews? Because, like you said,
Speaker 1: you're a very high You're gonna be a very high
Speaker 1: draft pick. Yeah, and so obviously you're gonna go around
Speaker 1: you're gonna go around to four or five different teams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: were you prepared for some of the questions that they
Speaker 1: potentially could ask? No, because I didn't. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't know it was. Did you take the process? Did
Speaker 1: you take it serious? Did you take this process? Hell? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah? You do realize the interview was gonna be
Speaker 1: more than own court or did you think it was
Speaker 1: just gonna be Okay, they're gonna bring me in, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do you know, there's gonna be a workout or
Speaker 1: from some questions, Right, they're gonna try to you don't
Speaker 1: figure your personality out? Right? You you played against Ronald
Speaker 1: tess elon Brand in high school? Yeah, I think t
Speaker 1: you end up playing t Matt. What what was that like?
Speaker 1: Did you DoD? I mean prior to you know, obviously
Speaker 1: you're you're the a sixten lefty that can handle the
Speaker 1: ball point guard. That's a that's an anomaly. Yeah. There
Speaker 1: have been a lot of six ten guys powerful over
Speaker 1: the sixteen Sandard things are back, but not a six
Speaker 1: ten point guard. Yeah, what's going through your mind? Well
Speaker 1: that at that time in my life, I was just
Speaker 1: hype just to play against the best dress, compete against
Speaker 1: the best, right, I just want to gold against the best.
Speaker 1: Were you destroying everybody in New York? So you wanted?
Speaker 1: I mean Ron Ron was the only competition for me
Speaker 1: and then outside of New York Tracy McGrady, Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but like for me, Ron Rand was my toughest competitions.
Speaker 1: It's like twelve years old for real. But you you
Speaker 1: you you you trained and you played against Kobe in
Speaker 1: high school? What was what was Kobe like as a
Speaker 1: high school player? Same as he was in the NBA.
Speaker 1: So he's always had that dog and he's all had
Speaker 1: He's always had that. I got to get you always,
Speaker 1: tonal vision. Are you basketball basketball, basketball, basketball, basketball, basketball,
Speaker 1: basketball basketball in all your years high school, the year
Speaker 1: in college the NBA? Have you ever seen a more
Speaker 1: focused as or as focused as Kobe was to his crown?
Speaker 1: The only man did I look up to is Jesus.
Speaker 1: But stricture, get comfortable. I want to show you something. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's Cookee on the net? Right is that Kobe? Yes? Sure, man,
Speaker 1: that's look he is like, you know, to get to
Speaker 1: get another man's tattooed on you. That's not a relative,
Speaker 1: not a brother, not a son, not a dad. That's
Speaker 1: a heck of an that's a heck of that's a
Speaker 1: heck of an honor to bestow a man. Man. I mean,
Speaker 1: my every day I live is like and you know,
Speaker 1: try to my mentality. How why did be trying to
Speaker 1: be the best? Why did Kobe have such a big
Speaker 1: impact on the bar? Because Kobe roll people? If you didn't,
Speaker 1: if you're doing you think Kobe Kobe because he knew,
Speaker 1: he knew in his heart that I wanted you. You
Speaker 1: two wanted the same thing, but you just kind of
Speaker 1: going about it a different way. Yes, yes, because I'm
Speaker 1: growing up and buying stuff like that. I personalized. Wasn't
Speaker 1: the same. But we had one thing and one thing
Speaker 1: in mine. I believe purple and gold. You do, Okay,
Speaker 1: so you get drafted? What's what's your what's your drafted
Speaker 1: by the Clippers? Clippers? I still get a lot of
Speaker 1: Clipper love to blip Clippers Lakers heat. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: bleed purple and gold. You, I mean you cool with
Speaker 1: the Clippers. They base, they they're in the basement. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we might let them out this year. We
Speaker 1: might not go to to be They had a good
Speaker 1: team last year. If Kawai and PG gonna stay healthy,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they're gonna be dressed like me
Speaker 1: and you. I know Lebron and ADS. If Lebron a
Speaker 1: d healthy, we all right. Yeah, yeah, Lebron. We gotta
Speaker 1: get the triangle offense back though. I mean, Darvil have
Speaker 1: mean you gotta have somebody that can coach it is.
Speaker 1: There's enough Lakers out there. Yeah, I don't see that.
Speaker 1: I don't like. Let's preserve Lebron's career. Yeah. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. You were so talented coming out of
Speaker 1: high school, why didn't you go straight to the NBA
Speaker 1: like TEMC, like Kobe, like Gardner? Because I told my
Speaker 1: grandmother would go to college, but you went for one year, Lamar.
Speaker 1: I can see if you told your will get a degree,
Speaker 1: I told her, I will give it a shot, I said, grandmother,
Speaker 1: give it a shot. I know it's gonna stay long, right.
Speaker 1: She know I was gonna stay long, right, She said, baby,
Speaker 1: just go for me. So I went. You went. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because she went back to school at fifty years old
Speaker 1: and graduate, so her love of education with still happening. Georgia,
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty three. Okay, you know what I'm saying, Ye
Speaker 1: run late telling my grandmother let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, it's very interesting that you said
Speaker 1: that because your grandmother raised you after your mother and
Speaker 1: my grandmother raised me. So there there there's something about
Speaker 1: hearing things from your grandmother and when you promised granded something,
Speaker 1: it's something that resonates like Okay, I got I gotta
Speaker 1: go through with this. I'm not gonna make this. It's
Speaker 1: it's a huge advantage too, being raised by someone that
Speaker 1: so much holding you. Yeah, that wisdom passed down to
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but sometimes I feel
Speaker 1: like grandparents love grandkids more than they love their own kids.
Speaker 1: From me, I'm not a grandfather, saw no, but I'm
Speaker 1: just saying you do you do you think your grand
Speaker 1: your grandmother loved well. I think in our community, in
Speaker 1: the black community, grandmother's you know, or something they're sacred
Speaker 1: and mother's. Yeah. So so you're telling the story earlier
Speaker 1: that you you were supposed to go to un LVY,
Speaker 1: but the did you did you apply yourself in high
Speaker 1: school or did you not? When my mother when my
Speaker 1: mother passed away, Lucky, I was a good kid. I
Speaker 1: never really offended anybody, right, And I had, uh you
Speaker 1: know this huge, a massive talent, right or that people
Speaker 1: were like, oh he fell four classes, passed the mold.
Speaker 1: Let him play one more moth. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let him finish the year. Let me finish the season now.
Speaker 1: But I never really applied myself in school, right. My
Speaker 1: mother passed around like from school, right? Yes? Do you
Speaker 1: feel that that it haunts me now? Right? That's why
Speaker 1: when I did this last reality show, College Hill, we
Speaker 1: went back to an HBCU, Yes, went back to Texas
Speaker 1: Southern Okay, and strays almaboutle huh Michael Stray hands almabout yes,
Speaker 1: that straighthand something. Yeah. Wow, I didn't know that because
Speaker 1: I was a pewee football legend too. You know that
Speaker 1: you don't know about me? Hey, Holy First of all,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to tell you, man, Lamar,
Speaker 1: you always been tall at quarterback. I was a problem
Speaker 1: you probably in my last football game after the game
Speaker 1: winning touchdown pass. Man, this is not no bullshit. Did
Speaker 1: you did you ever want to play football? I did?
Speaker 1: I went to football practice, won football practice. Next day.
Speaker 1: In high school, coach coach Oliger calls Lamar old him
Speaker 1: down to his office. So I'll go down to his
Speaker 1: office be like, Lamar, we ain't bring you here to
Speaker 1: play football. That was the end of That was it
Speaker 1: because when I was going to school, it was a
Speaker 1: capitol school, so it was tuition, right, So if your
Speaker 1: tuition is paid for, the coach gonna have frank yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So that was it for that. Obviously, as great a
Speaker 1: high school players you were, you're on the AAU circuit.
Speaker 1: What what's what's your thoughts on AU basketball and where
Speaker 1: it's headed now? Do you think it's a help? Do
Speaker 1: you think it's a detriment. I think it's I think
Speaker 1: it's a help because you know, look at what they
Speaker 1: do in Europe. A lot of those kids are turned
Speaker 1: pro at fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. I love a basketball, right.
Speaker 1: It's where I home my skills and where I was
Speaker 1: able to play against all the best players in the country. Right.
Speaker 1: I think it's incessant. I like AU basketball, I like
Speaker 1: any UTH sports as long as the parents don't get involved.
Speaker 1: We seeing parents, they're going to parents. They're doing too much.
Speaker 1: Now they're fighting, they fighting other parents, they're fighting officials.
Speaker 1: We just saw the we saw your referee just get
Speaker 1: shot and killed in Texas. The parents, the parents be
Speaker 1: doing too much Labar. There's there's a lot of Lavars
Speaker 1: out there. But Labar was good. Labar fighting nobody, now,
Speaker 1: it was good. But you know what I mean as
Speaker 1: far as pushing his product right or thinking they my
Speaker 1: boys the best, My boys the best, right. But sometimes
Speaker 1: that's what it takes. So kudos to the VAW he
Speaker 1: got two of them to the league. I respect that.
Speaker 1: What what do you mean when you said AU coaches
Speaker 1: in New York are inappropriately messing with some of these players,
Speaker 1: oh man or until I got to college, my grandmother
Speaker 1: always asks me tomorrow that coach I ever trying to
Speaker 1: touch you, we try to ever put his into you,
Speaker 1: because you know, in the AU world, we know like
Speaker 1: that happens a lot, especially in New York. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna call it at the names or putting probably on
Speaker 1: f street, right. I really never I I really never
Speaker 1: knew that. I mean, you hear stories of like in
Speaker 1: swimming and tennis and gymnastics. You hear a lot with
Speaker 1: sports like that. I don't, I don't. I can't recall
Speaker 1: off the top of my head hearing anything with basketball
Speaker 1: this is news to me. Yeah, my coach shoot I
Speaker 1: played for Christy King, had a case like he was
Speaker 1: touching kids that played right, And yeah I've seen some
Speaker 1: he did some I seem crazy shit. You didn't think
Speaker 1: to tell anybody? Or were you just like? No? I'm
Speaker 1: you know what when you're so young, right, it goes
Speaker 1: goes over your head. It's when you become much older
Speaker 1: you realize, like, why would a man sit his seat
Speaker 1: down where we're taking shotowers at right? Right? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Uh? Weed? College? When did you first
Speaker 1: start smoking weed? Was it college? Was it high school?
Speaker 1: Where you you deal with? No? I would situation with
Speaker 1: your mom? I started smoking weird like fifteen years old?
Speaker 1: Just cards or whether your COVID mechanism. You don't just
Speaker 1: hanging out smoking? Were smoking? We together? We're a smoke weed, right?
Speaker 1: Have you smoking weir? I'm a smoke weed? Right. I
Speaker 1: don't even think it was for a reason at that time,
Speaker 1: maybe subconsciously. Right? What about drinking? I don't really drink
Speaker 1: a lot. When did smoking weed graduate to something more?
Speaker 1: When ambiance changes? You know what I'm saying? Friends having
Speaker 1: different friends and places change? Did you think like I
Speaker 1: mean they'd ever crossing my lap. I never think I
Speaker 1: was gonna have no, you know, drug problem because from
Speaker 1: ship that I've seen, right, you know, I've seen you
Speaker 1: know that most most people say that ain't gonna happen
Speaker 1: to me. I've seen mother's aunts and fathers come to
Speaker 1: the park one day and then the next month you
Speaker 1: see him toward Do you know what I'm saying, I've
Speaker 1: seen it. Yeah. I mean you're in New York City,
Speaker 1: so you know what the crack epidemic. And I'm an athlete, right,
Speaker 1: so I thought, you know, I could probably overcome anything.
Speaker 1: But I ain't never think one hit of cocaine was
Speaker 1: gonna do that to me. Right, and one he got
Speaker 1: you hooked? It was like that time, it was the
Speaker 1: best all guys might have had. Wow. Did did the
Speaker 1: drug addiction lead to other addictions like sex or gambling?
Speaker 1: I've always liked women. Wow. You know it's so funny
Speaker 1: when you say that, because I didn't really realize I
Speaker 1: can have a sex addiction until I was in touch
Speaker 1: with me having a drug addiction, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And you submit to your drug addiction so
Speaker 1: you can realize damn it. I think I might be
Speaker 1: addicted to this, or when you when when you hear
Speaker 1: a sex addition addiction, because coke and sex came hand
Speaker 1: in hand with with me. Really, if I wasn't having
Speaker 1: sex with somebody else, I was having sex with myself
Speaker 1: the whole night, the whole night. Right, So it was
Speaker 1: bid women, bid watching porn, bid pleasure in yourself. It
Speaker 1: had to be something damn their daily and you didn't think.
Speaker 1: So you doing this daily, you don't think you got
Speaker 1: an addiction. You think that's normal, but you ain't when
Speaker 1: you caught it, you ain't really you don't really look
Speaker 1: at it like that. You can't see the You can't
Speaker 1: see somebody smoke a lot of weed, right, if you
Speaker 1: smoke a lot of weed. If somebodys smoking a lot
Speaker 1: of weed and they come in here, you're like, damn,
Speaker 1: you smell like weed. If somebody that smoked smoke weed, like,
Speaker 1: they may don't even smell it, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So when you're on the inside, you can't see outside,
Speaker 1: especially with addiction. So when did when did you realize?
Speaker 1: So you go, Okay, which did you had? Which of
Speaker 1: you think you had first? The drug addiction or the
Speaker 1: sex addiction or they happened simultaneous. I'm that was a
Speaker 1: drug addiction first, okay for me, me realizing I had
Speaker 1: a drug addiction, like damn sex to write it because
Speaker 1: they was together in college obviously, if you're if you're
Speaker 1: an athlete, the women gonna the women gonna comes. It's
Speaker 1: easy and you're like, okay, this is cool. But then
Speaker 1: you become a professional athlete, it's a whole it's a
Speaker 1: whole different ball game and a whole different type of
Speaker 1: woman isn't play for a Lamar Oldham or any professional athlete.
Speaker 1: And you like, hey, hey, but when you're on top
Speaker 1: of you want a woman at the time, right what
Speaker 1: but her is the thay athlete me being the next
Speaker 1: professional athlete. But yeah, you're right, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: And you I wish I had met my woman on
Speaker 1: the way up so when I get there, I don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about what damn I don't know, but
Speaker 1: that she worried about being at the top. But you
Speaker 1: can't really if you meet a woman now, you just
Speaker 1: hopefully that she's driven just as much as you and
Speaker 1: and she ain't it for all the right reasons that's
Speaker 1: just like any other friend or anybody. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right, it's hard for me to be new
Speaker 1: friends because if you weren't here, like when I was
Speaker 1: coming up forgetting them, because I automatic what you want
Speaker 1: from what you want, And sometimes I think that about
Speaker 1: when what you want? I mean, but sometimes you just
Speaker 1: maybe you can give them what they want. Maybe you
Speaker 1: can't because no one's a probably the best word and
Speaker 1: strongest word, and it is and it's gotten. And when
Speaker 1: the more you say, the more you say to somebody,
Speaker 1: it easier gets though. But here's the thing, Lamar, when
Speaker 1: you're at the level that you will send to as
Speaker 1: a professional athlete, being vulnerable in love and weak are
Speaker 1: two different things. I think sometimes we look at vulnerability
Speaker 1: and weakness as together. Man, I can't, I can't. I
Speaker 1: can't be hint because it we're hint pet man, I
Speaker 1: can't let her just that whatever. Yeah, But being vulnerable
Speaker 1: in love, I mean you have to submit. Vulnerability means
Speaker 1: you will fall, and you don't have to you believe
Speaker 1: that she'll catch anybody wanted a woman like that. It's like,
Speaker 1: do you believe that that's the question will be in vulnerable?
Speaker 1: Do you believe that. I believe you hadn't you had
Speaker 1: a woman that would do that. I believe Cloyd was
Speaker 1: that for you. You didn't realize that at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't because after what you was going through. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about what you went through and the situation in
Speaker 1: Vegas the Bunny Ranch. Yeah, you know about that situation
Speaker 1: with get me so upsurd about that? What tell me
Speaker 1: about it? I didn't even do drugs at night. What
Speaker 1: so here, I'm gonna having a conversation with You're gonna
Speaker 1: write a book about my ups and downs with drugs. Shit,
Speaker 1: I didn't do drugs at night because I was mad
Speaker 1: that night. I didn't have no cocaine to take to
Speaker 1: the Bronton. Okay, So how did you be your heart?
Speaker 1: Basically damn exploded? Lamar What happened? However they slipped me
Speaker 1: or gave me, the comedian says, and the drug acting
Speaker 1: he says, Tell me what it was, because that must
Speaker 1: have been some good ship to have me down for
Speaker 1: three days, right, ha ha ha ha. Hi. When I
Speaker 1: didn't do drugs that day, when did you did? Did you?
Speaker 1: When did you realize you were in trouble? When did
Speaker 1: you realize that, man, I feel different this whatever I
Speaker 1: was there was none of that. It was none of that.
Speaker 1: It was no oh oh oh oh okay. I went
Speaker 1: there then do what you have been doing, right, had
Speaker 1: a drink, girls around me. Woke up three days later,
Speaker 1: and you woke up there three days later in the hospital.
Speaker 1: Ten tubes got my neck. Yeah, I saw it. All
Speaker 1: tubes for real. That's real, real rap. I don't got
Speaker 1: no reason not to ship. You go to the ranch.
Speaker 1: You wake up three days later in a hospital. You
Speaker 1: have no recollect all. You know you went there. You
Speaker 1: know you're looking around you. You chose X y Z
Speaker 1: and you're in the hospital. When you open your eyes,
Speaker 1: who's around you? Who? Who are some of the first
Speaker 1: people you see besides the doctors obviously the doctors there,
Speaker 1: Chloe clothes there. Now at the time, you and Chloe
Speaker 1: are not together, Am I correct? No? We I went
Speaker 1: to well, y'all can't be together at the rate. I
Speaker 1: went to the brother because I signed the voice papers.
Speaker 1: That's what took me to the broth. That's let you
Speaker 1: know what place I was in, right, So you were
Speaker 1: so why you why did you Why did you signed
Speaker 1: the divorce paper? Did you not try to make it work.
Speaker 1: Did you not go to couples therapy? We did all that.
Speaker 1: She wanted what she wanted, Okay, she wanted the divorce,
Speaker 1: but she showed up for you. Lamar, she did not, Lamar,
Speaker 1: not a whole lot of women would have done that. Bro.
Speaker 1: She did. She did, she did, she did. Do you
Speaker 1: believe you could have survived it without her? Somebody? What
Speaker 1: your situation? What that's a lonely place? What's you mean
Speaker 1: the situation? I think the thing is where you were,
Speaker 1: not that if you just if you had to go
Speaker 1: through that, what you went through alone, just you and
Speaker 1: the doctors. I don't want to take anything from her,
Speaker 1: but that that was it was God's plan. I'm how
Speaker 1: support of course help me. God put her there. So
Speaker 1: there you go, right, because it all comes back to him. Right,
Speaker 1: So Chloe shows up, Kobe shows up. When you're able
Speaker 1: to talk, and Kobe is there, you're talking. It took
Speaker 1: months when I first woke up, I couldn't walk or talk.
Speaker 1: You had to relearn all that again. So as you lag,
Speaker 1: as you're lagging in your bed, you can't walk, you
Speaker 1: can't talk. What's going through your mind? You're like God
Speaker 1: to me, why? What? How? When the reason why? I healed?
Speaker 1: I think so fast and so quickly. We can go
Speaker 1: to see the sign now, right now, and they'll treat
Speaker 1: me like Jesus himself just walked in because I never
Speaker 1: asked the question why honestly, and I knew I didn't
Speaker 1: do drugs or I just like I don't believe it's
Speaker 1: part of the book, right, it wouldn't. I'm here, right,
Speaker 1: so what what's there? It gotta be something for me
Speaker 1: to do now. So you I'm just asking what is it?
Speaker 1: Give you godance, give you strength, Give you clarity. God. Okay,
Speaker 1: you got me here. The strength is there, I already
Speaker 1: now you want the clarity. I had twelve, twelve strokes
Speaker 1: and six heart at texts MO. So you're talking about
Speaker 1: how you feel like. I wake up every day like
Speaker 1: I'm in California. I got a little money in my pocket.
Speaker 1: I feel good. So when the doctors tell you you
Speaker 1: had twelve strokes and six heart attacks, they say, mister
Speaker 1: walking miracles? What they say? Yeah? I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: what's the probability? What's the likelihood slimming? None? I was
Speaker 1: pronounced that, I think twice two times. It told my family,
Speaker 1: say your finalis good, buys. I don't think he's gonna
Speaker 1: make it tonight. Wow, but just to fight his spirit.
Speaker 1: The shit is in me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: It was in me before I met Kobe, and then
Speaker 1: after meeting him and going to ride with him. What
Speaker 1: was the conversation once you were able to talk, once
Speaker 1: you were able to walk, If you don't want to
Speaker 1: divorce too much you want to put in your book,
Speaker 1: But what's some of the things that you and Kobe
Speaker 1: talked about, Probably like don't never do that shit again?
Speaker 1: Know how much I mean to people outside from the
Speaker 1: Lakers and stuff like that, Just like a lot of
Speaker 1: personal Big Brother shit. Right. He came to me. He
Speaker 1: come to me in dreams too. The when I was
Speaker 1: on the Big Brother House, right, I was there for
Speaker 1: twenty six days. He came to me like in four
Speaker 1: dreams and the the the the last dream. It was really,
Speaker 1: it was real, vivid, and it was really he said
Speaker 1: something to me, I'm not I'm never gonna ever ever forget.
Speaker 1: Like we were having a shooting contest and Kobe was
Speaker 1: so good at shooting the ball because he can step
Speaker 1: into the ball with either foot left for right and
Speaker 1: then we ll we get to the top of the
Speaker 1: key and my feet are not right and it's a
Speaker 1: little deeper, and we get to the three point line
Speaker 1: right wing and uh. He looked back at me. He said, hello,
Speaker 1: the after life thing where people make it up to be.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm shit. I woke up. I ain't like
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to take that, Like, what do
Speaker 1: you mean he missed the girls? His mission is not
Speaker 1: done yet. Get it all in now, right cause we
Speaker 1: don't we don't know what to expect. But that shit
Speaker 1: stuck with me. So like right now, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 1: in full throttle one hundred miles an hour. You show
Speaker 1: me where the work is at, show me where I
Speaker 1: need to put my focus. That's how I'm want you're
Speaker 1: approaching you. And I was talking off camera about how
Speaker 1: did you say you want to get into coaching? Is
Speaker 1: your focus like Kobe was seniorly in nature basketball basketball?
Speaker 1: Basketball is AMR focused coaching, coaching, coaching. If it was coaching, coaching, coaching,
Speaker 1: then it would be basketbasketball, basketball, basketball, bastball ball. Gonna
Speaker 1: have to switch. You said you want to coach in
Speaker 1: the NBA. Are you willing to maybe do a Staton
Speaker 1: College or you just figure like just I mean I would.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I don't know if like I
Speaker 1: have a you're getting high mans a coach, you know
Speaker 1: a lot of basketball experience, you're a basketball rain man.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah yeah, but like lived it though, Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, but here's the thing. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1: Those there's a saying that you know, doctors and lawyers.
Speaker 1: See yeah, those that can't teach, those that can do.
Speaker 1: Everybody that played the game can't coach the game. And
Speaker 1: a lot of the great coaches never played the game.
Speaker 1: Can you parlay lamar olda player and the two time champion,
Speaker 1: sixth man of the year winning a medal because a
Speaker 1: lot of times the greater the player of the hard
Speaker 1: it is for him to coach. But if you if
Speaker 1: you go to Kobe's book, I wish I would have
Speaker 1: had the book, yeah, because it is. There's a segment
Speaker 1: when he talked about me being a glue to the team,
Speaker 1: made the team with Kobe Bryant and power the saw. Right,
Speaker 1: he calls the mall old him the blue right. It
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with basketball, right, he was the
Speaker 1: man we know he was taking the last shot right,
Speaker 1: the ball was going to power and the post the
Speaker 1: power first. Right. But he called them Alden the Blue
Speaker 1: because I understand personality. Right. I can get up with
Speaker 1: the guitar, play the game, shoot around with shoot the ship.
Speaker 1: That's what Phil had. Let me ask you this, that's
Speaker 1: what Pat Rowley has. A lot of times people think
Speaker 1: if you just put the five best players out there,
Speaker 1: you're gonna win. But what we've seen it's more than that.
Speaker 1: It's a it's the camaraderie, chemistry. Chemistry. You gotta have
Speaker 1: guys that want to go out to eat that when
Speaker 1: they're not playing, they're calling on each other, checking up.
Speaker 1: Oh what's up? Good, I'm good, right, I see them
Speaker 1: all all right. A lot of some people say chemistry
Speaker 1: is just the class that you're taking high school. So
Speaker 1: there's more to it than that. It's important. Of course
Speaker 1: you play sports. Of course I understand it. You know that,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it is? Is it more? I mean, I
Speaker 1: just played football, and now I understand chemistry. You got
Speaker 1: fifty three guys. You got level on the offense, that
Speaker 1: the level on defense, and then you got special teams.
Speaker 1: You got five. It's only like fifteen guys. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: around each other all all the time. You own the
Speaker 1: plane together, your meetings, you walked through you at the game.
Speaker 1: So basically, I mean, you wake up, you walk past
Speaker 1: each other. I'm gonna see you more than my kids, Yes,
Speaker 1: more than my family. Yes, off the season. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how the bond is supposed to be, right, That's why
Speaker 1: I love the Miami Heat and the Lakers. Everything is.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to you you were very upset when
Speaker 1: they traded you from Miami. You didn't want to leave.
Speaker 1: After year. Now, I didn't want to leave, but I
Speaker 1: was coming back to La. I was a clipper, right,
Speaker 1: so I knew how it looked right on the other side,
Speaker 1: and I got seven million dollars to come back home, right.
Speaker 1: Not bad, nah, but you have some bad memories because
Speaker 1: you leave. The part of your addiction started in Miami,
Speaker 1: dealing with the drug and to say, yeah, that was
Speaker 1: my first time I about having cocaine or whatever, But
Speaker 1: I don't really I'm I'm true to myself. It could
Speaker 1: have been anywhere. It just happened to be in Miami.
Speaker 1: It could have been La. It could have been you know, Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: It could have bewhar wherever, the wherever, wherever it was,
Speaker 1: it could have been, could have been anywhere. So no
Speaker 1: hard people. So what what was it? What is what
Speaker 1: is it about pat Riley? We hear heat culture? What
Speaker 1: what what is heat culture? What is pat discipline? Everything
Speaker 1: is about to what's best for the team. That's discipline, discipline, discipline.
Speaker 1: When I first moved down there, he was like, I'm la,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give this money, but you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to move your your kids and their mother that
Speaker 1: like it. I'm not gonna just give you this money
Speaker 1: and have you in the streets. When I first started
Speaker 1: to play for pat Riley, he was the coach. Still
Speaker 1: I thought my name was motherfucker. The first one I
Speaker 1: thought my name was motherfucker. Motherfucker. Get your ass on
Speaker 1: the line. Huh huh wait, it's like like a pit
Speaker 1: bull you want to leash, just like huh. Second, I
Speaker 1: read a story. I don't want you. I want you
Speaker 1: to confirm that for the oh four Olympics, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: always wanted to play Olympics. You want to play an Olympics,
Speaker 1: but you needed to do something first. You used the facetia,
Speaker 1: you use the prosthetic. Yeah, I hope. I ain't blown. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a piece on. I always wanted to play Olympics.
Speaker 1: That was like one picks. How it was for me,
Speaker 1: it was like it was David Stern called my name, Yeah, Olympics,
Speaker 1: NBA Championship, Right, So how did you didn't nobody know? Nah?
Speaker 1: But how you going? Man? How you go this? Lamar?
Speaker 1: When you you're taking the picks, they ain't gonna they
Speaker 1: decided doing it in the NFL, they'd be looking and
Speaker 1: they make you drop your drawing because you can't be sixteen. Nah,
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna drop your drugs. I'm like this big
Speaker 1: old black dude with a wood You sixteen wouldn't make
Speaker 1: old look. I wanted to always play on the pispot.
Speaker 1: So you did what you had to do to make
Speaker 1: sure you pass. You had to have you ever had
Speaker 1: somebody have to take a drug test for you. Nah?
Speaker 1: So that was the only time that you used the prostatic,
Speaker 1: the only time only time. He's like, I've seen you,
Speaker 1: like you're like, look at here, checking through the glasses.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying because I mean, you can understand how
Speaker 1: people are gonna find that hard to believe because the
Speaker 1: first in two thousand and four, you use like the
Speaker 1: first thing you go to. Okay, I'm gonna do the prostatic.
Speaker 1: So did somebody tell you about that? Man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pass drug because I know I just knew. I knew
Speaker 1: I was dirty, right, So if I know I'm dirty,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give him this PI. No, heck, no way,
Speaker 1: That's I'd have been crazy embarrassing, Right, you win the
Speaker 1: you win Lebronze Lebron. That would have been more. That
Speaker 1: was more embarrassing what happened. I don't question coaching, but
Speaker 1: I don't understand how you don't use young Way, young
Speaker 1: Lebron and young Carmelo to your advantage, right to switch
Speaker 1: to pace maybe right at the time. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Five at a time. It's like ego first, young ego.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It was disastrous when you
Speaker 1: first you get traded, You get traded as a part
Speaker 1: of the deal. Shot goes to Miami, you come to
Speaker 1: LA and the first couple of years it wasn't It
Speaker 1: wasn't glamorous. Yeah it was. It was tough, and you
Speaker 1: know what the expectation is in Laker Nation? What was
Speaker 1: that like? It was? I mean it It was tough
Speaker 1: on h on the other players, being around eight. He
Speaker 1: wasn't twenty four yet, but being around eight, because eight
Speaker 1: was still like stubborn, selfishly stubborn, right and give a fuck,
Speaker 1: and he would tell you didn't give a fuck. Twenty
Speaker 1: four knew how to he knew how to talk to
Speaker 1: people a little back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? How should I approaches? Dude? You
Speaker 1: know what I mean? But eight, and you know what
Speaker 1: the fuck if he wasn't on his page and get
Speaker 1: the fuck out for real? You shot wins a title
Speaker 1: for Kobe makes a little track that could have been
Speaker 1: our title too, because they beat Dallas that year, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: that year we had dallags. I mean the Sun's down
Speaker 1: three one. Yeah, so we beat the Sun free one.
Speaker 1: We were sweeping through. We'd probably played what happened in
Speaker 1: that Sun series. It was almost like people was criticizing
Speaker 1: Kobe and it was almost like he said, well, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna show you y'all't want me to shoot. Y'll talk
Speaker 1: about im shooting too much. It was almost like he
Speaker 1: wouldn't everything that we thought about Kobe. He went away
Speaker 1: from that. It's like, damn if you do, damn if
Speaker 1: you don't, right, really well, I'm damn doing what I do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I ain't damn doing what I don't. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I don't know it was in
Speaker 1: his mind because that's the game. He wudn't shoot ball.
Speaker 1: People say he wan't shot the ball last game, right,
Speaker 1: Who the fuck knows? What do you think is going
Speaker 1: through his mind when Shot wins that title. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get me one. I know that was money, right, there's
Speaker 1: just win. I'm gonna get me one. Two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: you guys breakthrough. Well, first you lose to the Celtics.
Speaker 1: How painful was that because one of the games that
Speaker 1: I think it was was a Game four that you
Speaker 1: guys had the big lead and they come, they come
Speaker 1: all the way back and they track you down. You
Speaker 1: win game five, and then you go back and you
Speaker 1: have that historic defeating the game six. Do you feel
Speaker 1: do you feel that's one of the ones that got
Speaker 1: away because you had the game well and that was
Speaker 1: that could have been a three people. Yeah, yeah, no disrespect.
Speaker 1: That's when my like my this like for Boston Celtics
Speaker 1: fans like growl, right, because I'm y'all beat us by
Speaker 1: like thirty almost faulty, right, yeah in the final Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't they might have been better than you, guys, lamar.
Speaker 1: I don't think there were forty points better than you.
Speaker 1: But it just snowballed on you. And then the fans
Speaker 1: surrounded our bus and continuously was shot our bus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, then y'all won the game. That go leave
Speaker 1: me a lot giving yourself. Y'all got to think what
Speaker 1: happened to be the one? Right? We don't have to
Speaker 1: shoot that way out this motherfucker. You wip so two
Speaker 1: thousand and eight, you lose, two thousand and nine, you
Speaker 1: come back. You guys on a mission. It's supposed to
Speaker 1: be because they're running the commercial of the muppets Lebron
Speaker 1: and Kobe. It's supposed to be Ron and Kobe cows like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, And then they lost to Atlanta. They lost
Speaker 1: to Orlando, but Didas fucked that, Like he's keeping up right,
Speaker 1: Dwight Howard with a master in that their rich against
Speaker 1: against the Calves. But you get Orlando and you guys
Speaker 1: have to go to overtime. If I'm not mistaken in
Speaker 1: the first game, But I knew they wasn't gonna I
Speaker 1: knew they wasn't gonna They couldn't keep playing it that much.
Speaker 1: And hence why I tell you why, no disrespect, but
Speaker 1: Andrew buying him probably could contested this. Him and Dwight
Speaker 1: Howard is like they lillygagging and shit at half court. Right,
Speaker 1: So now you figured if you just beat them up
Speaker 1: and down the court, you're gonna be straight. You caller,
Speaker 1: you the only chance of them having a fucking shot
Speaker 1: and the finals to beat Kobe Bryant and his Lakers,
Speaker 1: and you joking around at half court, Well, I was
Speaker 1: senter who wants to go at you? Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: you gotta go get him and pound. You're right, I
Speaker 1: knew they I knew they wasn't gonna win a search.
Speaker 1: Now you win that title, you come back because I
Speaker 1: believe in order in any sport to be especially especially
Speaker 1: football the basketball, if you want to be remembered as
Speaker 1: his story, to win it again, you gotta do it
Speaker 1: back to back. They've been a lot of teams that
Speaker 1: won won in a row and they forget, Yeah you won, congratulations,
Speaker 1: but to repeat when you're not because the first one
Speaker 1: you were hunting. Now you're being hunted. You get Boston again.
Speaker 1: They just they just fumped you by almost four in
Speaker 1: the game six. Now you getting them back now. And
Speaker 1: you know Boston, Boston, La go way back to the sixties,
Speaker 1: all the way and they they owned Magic, got him
Speaker 1: a couple. Let me tell you something, how I knew
Speaker 1: he was gonna win Game seven two because we won
Speaker 1: We had home court, right, so I'm remember being a room.
Speaker 1: I'm like, y'all, motherfucker's gonna let poor piss La Native
Speaker 1: walk out of here the Staples Center with our shit.
Speaker 1: Y'all buck it, let's go. But that was a game.
Speaker 1: When you say the chemistry, because Kobe might have had
Speaker 1: one of his worst shooting Custos games, that's that's a
Speaker 1: football game. Yeah, that's football mentality. Pole. I think third
Speaker 1: and goal, every player's third and goal. Pole have a
Speaker 1: double double. Ron Art has hit the shot. He'll never
Speaker 1: hit him. He never hit a shot before cutting it out.
Speaker 1: Every player defense, defense were just scoring like seventy nine eighty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a very it was a very
Speaker 1: very low scoring game. You get into the fourth quarter,
Speaker 1: you know, a it's not never now and I think
Speaker 1: you guys are behind, but it's a very very type
Speaker 1: ball game. What's the what's what's the arena? Like, what's
Speaker 1: the what's the mood in the huddle? When Bill calls
Speaker 1: time out and you know, you look up there start
Speaker 1: the quarter, it's twelve minutes. All of a sudden, time out,
Speaker 1: it's nine minutes. You look up, it's five minutes, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's two minutes. With like, it's
Speaker 1: really really it's hard to explain, but because it's hard,
Speaker 1: it's really what you all you hold at your whole life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to feel that moment, right, I wish I could feel
Speaker 1: that moment right now, right, you know what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 1: I guess intense joy. I never wasn't gonna cry when
Speaker 1: when when Meta lines that three up. It's funny because
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna swing it to the corner.
Speaker 1: I was ready to jack it up. I was shooting
Speaker 1: that bitch already coming out about I was thinking, I
Speaker 1: think Kobe at the top of the key, at the
Speaker 1: top of the key, he swinging, use his body language,
Speaker 1: why why are you? Why are you first? We probably
Speaker 1: take it matter what the shooting. If you don't know
Speaker 1: to do it it, you gotta pass it, shoot it,
Speaker 1: or dribble it, but don't hold it. Don't hold him.
Speaker 1: That's the wrong basketball that's the wrong basketball player. Let't
Speaker 1: ask your question. A few questions about you mentioned the
Speaker 1: White Howard earlier. Y'all beat the Magic with the White
Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals. I personally believe Dwight Howard should
Speaker 1: have been on the seventy fifth anniversary team. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking okay, you want to say Houston or you want
Speaker 1: to say La and he bounced around to Atlantic. But
Speaker 1: if you look at those eight years that he had
Speaker 1: an Orlando, he was a top five player. He finished
Speaker 1: second in the MVP, three time Defensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: he was like three or four time first team All
Speaker 1: NBA and a lot of these guys that got on
Speaker 1: there had never been the de facto leader and taking
Speaker 1: a team to the finals. He was the best player
Speaker 1: on the team and he should have definitely been there.
Speaker 1: Why do you why don't you think he was on it?
Speaker 1: Do you think, like what you're saying, it was left off? Yes,
Speaker 1: because what you said the man jogging, he laughing and
Speaker 1: joking at half court only the only way I could say.
Speaker 1: Because they compared him to Shock ye engaged nobody and
Speaker 1: he ain't played, but he ain't played with the same
Speaker 1: tenactity right the sha right, he wasn't nasty the hell
Speaker 1: of a player, but Shack was like, but but you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And I think that's the only
Speaker 1: because it's only comparison. You can compare the White Howard's
Speaker 1: game too. I think there's a secure on that his
Speaker 1: style right back down, back down, back down, dunk right.
Speaker 1: Do you do you believe the White worked on his
Speaker 1: game because athletic about I mean, you look, but even
Speaker 1: if he worked on his game or not, that I
Speaker 1: shouldn't have anything because he did what he did without
Speaker 1: working on the game. If it would say he didn't
Speaker 1: work on his game. He got those three Defensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year, he got those all NBA. He has
Speaker 1: thirteen thousand red, fourteen thousand rebounds. He did all of that.
Speaker 1: So no matter what you think of him and how
Speaker 1: serious he took the game, he did that. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that made it off. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of guys that took the game more serious
Speaker 1: than the White. Doesn't have the resume as the White
Speaker 1: that made that team. And so that's what That's that's
Speaker 1: my problem. I got a problem. Well it's not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you gotta understand, well, why are you putting people
Speaker 1: on the team? Then what's your reasons for having somebody
Speaker 1: on the teams for what they didn't leave right? Right?
Speaker 1: And whether you like or just like, well he didn't
Speaker 1: take the game serious enough. Well, he took it serious
Speaker 1: enough to get those awards. That's stupid whoever makes that decisions.
Speaker 1: You played for pat Rilett and you played for Phil Jackson.
Speaker 1: Give me some similarities and some some craps, some some
Speaker 1: stark contrast to the coaching style. That's just like O
Speaker 1: in vinegar, Now I on the sandwich. How you getting inovated? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it make it taste good, right, right? But you put
Speaker 1: them together like are they supposed to go together? Right? Nah?
Speaker 1: One is gonna guide you to the water, right, the
Speaker 1: other one gonna tell you how to fun to get there?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, field guide field, God, Pat
Speaker 1: is gonna tell you how to get there. Just different style, right,
Speaker 1: different man? But how the NBA is vastly different today
Speaker 1: that it was when you first came the league and
Speaker 1: you had How would pat riley coaching style be received?
Speaker 1: Today with today's NBA player, come all the bull what
Speaker 1: They wouldn't ben to take that shit, cause they would
Speaker 1: probably feel like some motherfucking making me feel like I'm
Speaker 1: six years old. Right, But it's just to break you
Speaker 1: down and build you back up, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. They wouldn't bay take that. They won't bay
Speaker 1: take back. You had uh a reality you reality show
Speaker 1: with the Kardashians. What was that light? That was the
Speaker 1: best time of my adult life, besides beating those strokes,
Speaker 1: those heart attacks. Right, because I'm already a king right
Speaker 1: in La. So I'm went to I'm not the problem
Speaker 1: of my career and I'm married into TV royalty right right.
Speaker 1: It was like red carpet, red carpet. I mean, you
Speaker 1: were probably more well known for being married to one
Speaker 1: of the Kardashians. It's funny because I can tell when
Speaker 1: people come up to me. I can tell if they
Speaker 1: come up to me because Oldham or Lammy Lammy was
Speaker 1: like my name on a brad Dasha, Right, I can
Speaker 1: tell a difference. So where they know me from him,
Speaker 1: I mean that's an extreme, that's a big crossover. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I want a six minute a year award.
Speaker 1: When I was filming Chloe and Lamar, Wow, can I
Speaker 1: get my number? Retire Jennie Buss please for that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's more laker than that getting married
Speaker 1: on TV? Yeah you did that man from his craft
Speaker 1: on the court. And I don't know if it's raciality TV.
Speaker 1: We could say that acting or I mean you was
Speaker 1: being Lamar, that was being La Mom. But I mean
Speaker 1: that's like, come on, that's like if that don't get
Speaker 1: your number? Words tired as a laker? Come on? Would
Speaker 1: you do another reality show? If somebody says, okay, let's
Speaker 1: just say you get married again or you start dating
Speaker 1: and they said, Lamar, we want you, we want we
Speaker 1: want to put this on you down with that a
Speaker 1: reality show? Yeah? Yeah, because I know how to you
Speaker 1: know maximize does did that? Did the reality show? Did
Speaker 1: it hurt your marriage to Chloe? Oh? It made us
Speaker 1: at the time when I was no, it wasn't losing
Speaker 1: to my addiction, right, and it made us closer? Did
Speaker 1: she did she? Did she know you had it? Did
Speaker 1: she know? You know? Not until I know? So you
Speaker 1: hit it. But that's when you're an addict, You're gonna
Speaker 1: you can hide things you're gonna you're a liar, right
Speaker 1: because you lie to yourself. She did. She asked you
Speaker 1: about it, ask me like, what, lamar, are you doing drugs? Mola? No, no, no.
Speaker 1: I had to bring it to her, like fuck it
Speaker 1: because you're gonna find out and you rather you rather
Speaker 1: for her to hear it from you than someone else
Speaker 1: to see it. You know, I want to see it, right,
Speaker 1: because you know, I understand they were stand up side
Speaker 1: social contradiction in my thoughts sometimes, but I understood with
Speaker 1: some things, like I can't bring it to her because
Speaker 1: I'm bringing it to the whole family. Right, you feel
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? Yes? Yes? How does being married, doing
Speaker 1: a reality show and then being on social media? How
Speaker 1: does one navigate that? You give it? You submit? I
Speaker 1: never even really fucked with the social media. I still
Speaker 1: don't know how to post on Instagram, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I still I'm honestly, I still don't
Speaker 1: know how to post. But I just I never really,
Speaker 1: that's y'all. I don't I know how crazy social media is.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do with it. Do you think
Speaker 1: it's impossible for someone to be as active on social
Speaker 1: media as they are being a relationship because I think
Speaker 1: when you become on social media, you just open up
Speaker 1: your life, especially when you like all the time and
Speaker 1: you talk it's so funny because I don't it's your
Speaker 1: because it's so funny because you So everything I say
Speaker 1: is like contracted myself because you ask me what I
Speaker 1: do reality TV Again, I'm like, oh so, but I
Speaker 1: don't really mess with my social media, like I'm not
Speaker 1: on there, right, Like, let me see you on my
Speaker 1: DM so let me see what these people talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't really don't. You don't rock with it, like,
Speaker 1: don't move me, you know what I mean. I'm still
Speaker 1: Lamar right, no matter how close I am to my
Speaker 1: starting a walk with Fan, Right, I'm still lamar Oden
Speaker 1: from my thirty first year. Right. So do you do
Speaker 1: you feel like it's some things I still want to
Speaker 1: like simplify right as much as I can write, you know,
Speaker 1: without people being because you know what you're on social
Speaker 1: media when you do a reality show, you you're you're
Speaker 1: opening and I'm six right, you're opening your open head,
Speaker 1: You're opening your life to be critiqued. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 1: some things that you just you submit to you know that, Like,
Speaker 1: so I'm talking along with it. If I do that,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be checking for the comments. Bro, you
Speaker 1: dated Holdong, How do you get married thirty days? That
Speaker 1: was the reality show in it up itself, getting married
Speaker 1: thirty days, getting married thirty days after day. It's so crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like you submitting like that. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it's like me, I always you know, talking to my
Speaker 1: assistant order that's it's my gut. Like with my gut
Speaker 1: to me, that's like God talking to me. So my
Speaker 1: gut says something, I just go with it. And that
Speaker 1: was like I said, it was the most it was
Speaker 1: the best time of my adult life. So I did
Speaker 1: something right. Yeah, I enjoyed it right. I remember you
Speaker 1: was dating Taraji before Chloe. That's why I preyea Taragi Taragi.
Speaker 1: She's a real one. She took me to go see
Speaker 1: Prince performing his crib when night we haven't dinner with
Speaker 1: Angela Jolie and Brad Pitt and farmers with it right,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, this Laker ship is crazy. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's that Garagi shit, I think me. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: even in that, you think that you like the Laker.
Speaker 1: You think Lamar Oldham pulls up for the Laker pulled
Speaker 1: that up. I'm both both because the Laker, me being
Speaker 1: a Laker, put me in uh contact. Yeah, so you go.
Speaker 1: So you go see Prince just chicken in his crib.
Speaker 1: And then it was crazy about is that it was
Speaker 1: real dark room. But whenever you got up on somebody,
Speaker 1: it was like somebody that you know by name of face,
Speaker 1: I'm here, you miss do you miss that? What going
Speaker 1: to Prince career? Obviously he's I can get it. I
Speaker 1: can get it. I'm gonna be honest. That's why i
Speaker 1: love La because because you still Lamar, you still went. Jeff, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went out I swear to yesterday. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I could easily coach or have something to do with
Speaker 1: this Lakers in this place because I went to mister
Speaker 1: child yesterday. Yeah, it was like I felt like it
Speaker 1: was twenty ten. Wow, Like damn, it felt good to
Speaker 1: be out here. The wedding was on the show, it
Speaker 1: was on TV, so what were normal? Obviously you have jitters.
Speaker 1: I don't have enough. But that's why I knew. That's
Speaker 1: why I knew like it was right and and for
Speaker 1: at that point my life. I knew it was right
Speaker 1: because I had women bad ones. Yeah you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and I ain't. I gave all of it up.
Speaker 1: That's you. You have to submit, broh. And you gave faith?
Speaker 1: Is like that too, right? But that's what I was
Speaker 1: talking about, me surviving and being able to walk and
Speaker 1: talk and all that. My faith is strong. That's what
Speaker 1: made me not question question whether I was gonna walk
Speaker 1: or talk. Okay. I was just like, well, but let
Speaker 1: me ask you this. It felt right. You believe Chloyd
Speaker 1: was right? Then how could you do what you did?
Speaker 1: I was doing drugs, So you believe if you were
Speaker 1: sold with you to never h? Hell yeah, I'll still
Speaker 1: be married now. That would be two thousand and seven,
Speaker 1: twenty two years. Easy that because you got when you
Speaker 1: didn't on somebody got the same temperament too, right? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that one of your biggest regrets of your career,
Speaker 1: your life as a man. But I gave him a
Speaker 1: vine in front of guard. Right. I would rather just
Speaker 1: not said anything, just yeah, it just hung out and
Speaker 1: see if we can get to fifteen years or something.
Speaker 1: Didn't do it like that, then lie right in God's
Speaker 1: face Why do you think the show was canceled after
Speaker 1: two seasons? Because I was I wasn't prepare, I wasn't
Speaker 1: married no more, or wasn't living a married man's life.
Speaker 1: How are you? How were you able to keep that secret? Though? Man?
Speaker 1: I don't know how old are you? Not? Lamarty forty two?
Speaker 1: Go back forty two year old Lamar, go back and
Speaker 1: talk to twenty seven, twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty year
Speaker 1: old Lamar? What would you tell it? Take your time?
Speaker 1: I think saint no, especially to the flesh. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that five minutes of feeling good or whatever,
Speaker 1: M not one. You can have a lifetime of happiness, right,
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just throw it all away risk reward. Blow
Speaker 1: at your question? There was ah Chloe wanted another baby,
Speaker 1: and I'm assuming that way she did it. This way
Speaker 1: is that she wanted her kids to have the same father. True.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what this new baby's name is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's been released yet. But you
Speaker 1: said should have hit your boy up the mother? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm because I don't like I'm trying to think of it. Right.
Speaker 1: Why didn't y'all have kids? Why you do y'all was
Speaker 1: getting high. My sperm was probably way of trap. I
Speaker 1: was definitely I was in there. I was you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But yeah, my whole thing with that
Speaker 1: was like, will you be serious of but you just
Speaker 1: throw it out there, you just like ky, you call
Speaker 1: you boy if your boy could No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not being sure because I'm trying to find the
Speaker 1: psychology about it, Like, Okay, you want to have the
Speaker 1: same baby with the same father, but he don't want
Speaker 1: to be with you, right because I thought because you
Speaker 1: look at Kim Kim, Kim has all our kids are
Speaker 1: from Kanye kindly all our kids are from Travis Scott,
Speaker 1: kid of the baby girl doesn't have any kids, Chloe,
Speaker 1: She's like, hey, I gotta keep the traying going. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get it, but that bit me may all the same,
Speaker 1: like you better getting rid of that. But I he
Speaker 1: don't want to be if he I can get it.
Speaker 1: If that man is saying I'm here, I want to
Speaker 1: raise my children with you have sea, Yeah, I get it,
Speaker 1: but if he ain't checking in on you, that don't
Speaker 1: make sense to me. Like sister, yeah, and that's says hell, brother,
Speaker 1: I'm not her lover with no more. I'm saying that
Speaker 1: as your friend, Lamar. Yeah, if he's saying that he
Speaker 1: don't want to be with you, I'm gonna you know
Speaker 1: them better than I will ever know them. So just
Speaker 1: taking a take it from me. You're a big bro. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's that's your relationship. Now you're more like a
Speaker 1: big brother. Like that's so yeah, I can't really you know.
Speaker 1: That's why I could be at this point in time.
Speaker 1: You have to be none else would you? Would you
Speaker 1: take when if he's like, you know what, Lamar, let's
Speaker 1: trying to work this thing out. Who Chloe? If you say,
Speaker 1: lamrlet's trying to work it. We did have it your
Speaker 1: own drugs. We did have a great time. It was
Speaker 1: a great little run that we had. Let's let's let's
Speaker 1: let's let's give it a let's go, let's try it again.
Speaker 1: Sounds print up right here. Nah, but I got all
Speaker 1: that bread, she got braided. Nah. You know, but sometimes
Speaker 1: you know when you do it like you do damage
Speaker 1: to a woman and all that stuffing, might Anteres have
Speaker 1: to let it go, yeah, because she's gonna be looking
Speaker 1: at you the corner her eye. Right. You feel every
Speaker 1: woman that walked bold every woman that give you a
Speaker 1: compliment and all that it would be too much, too much,
Speaker 1: too much of amount on the clock, too high amount
Speaker 1: of the clock, right, I think at that point, Okay,
Speaker 1: last one who gets back first? Kanye and Kim, Chloe
Speaker 1: and Lamar? That's it because Kindl and Travis are together.
Speaker 1: Every people kindled are together? Who gets back? That's a
Speaker 1: reality show. That's a bread I'll be working on left
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of viol You Kim and Kanye, I bean,
Speaker 1: that'd be a good reality show too, right for Chloe Lamar?
Speaker 1: Reality show? Yeah? Or even if they're doing a reality
Speaker 1: show like it wouldn't even have to be us like
Speaker 1: being a lover. Let's just put them in a in
Speaker 1: a house together, see if they could be friends. Who
Speaker 1: Kim and Kanye? Are you and Chloe? Because you and Clode,
Speaker 1: you Ecloye got a good relationship, right men, Chloe, I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I would think it was good. Well you,
Speaker 1: I mean you hadn't talked to it an how you
Speaker 1: won sixth Man of the Year. Let's talk about this, uh,
Speaker 1: because I don't think this team gets enough credit. The
Speaker 1: twenty eleven Mavericks. They swept you the defending two time champs.
Speaker 1: They blew the doors off the ok S thunder they
Speaker 1: beat Miami. We just got tired, man, If y'all don't
Speaker 1: get ben it beat the breaks off you lamar. But
Speaker 1: like you said, oh eight, we shouldn't won a championship. Yeah, right, finals,
Speaker 1: we get it done old nine. Yeah, we get it
Speaker 1: done in ten eleven. But I think they were really
Speaker 1: good that year too though. No, no, they had to
Speaker 1: be really good. Yeah, because it's not okay, let's just
Speaker 1: say you guys got tired. Okay, see one tired because
Speaker 1: they're young. That's young Kevin Duran, that's young surgeon, that's
Speaker 1: young Russ. Them being us probably gave them that. Oh
Speaker 1: we just beat the defeating champ. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Because one place were they in that Dallas? They were
Speaker 1: they't have the first see that they don't have to
Speaker 1: win L six or they were they were they were
Speaker 1: seeding low. I think if they played us, yeah, so
Speaker 1: we had the second seed that they had to be seventh,
Speaker 1: right and they did, were y'all the second seed? Then
Speaker 1: fourth maybe? Yeah? I think it's four maybe, but then
Speaker 1: they'd be like the mental the mental state. We are
Speaker 1: team that shit just propelled them like we ain't gonna lose. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we just beat the Lagers because even though we probably
Speaker 1: one of the best team in the regular season, we
Speaker 1: were the favorites to come out to West that Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure Dallas one of the favorites.
Speaker 1: That is. Yeah, cause they beat swept you guys. They
Speaker 1: beat russ they beat Roughing and four one and beat
Speaker 1: the four three four two. You got a pretty good team.
Speaker 1: I understand. Look, I understand Jason Kidd was not the
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd of eight years earlier, but Dirt was at
Speaker 1: the apex of his power, playing extremely well. Uh, Sean Marion,
Speaker 1: they had h Stevenson man get them to get that
Speaker 1: team Cray. No, I'm giving them credit. I'm giving them
Speaker 1: credit because they beat us, beat the breaks off, they
Speaker 1: beat us. They we didn't get it, dub and we
Speaker 1: lost game one. We had Game one one, Yeah, NLA
Speaker 1: and they just rolled down momentum and took it to
Speaker 1: the house. I was a pebe legend though, Shannon, Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you that take. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: this news break the Lake. They're trying to trade for
Speaker 1: CP three, but they're gonna include lamar Oder. Why when
Speaker 1: you know trades are part of the game, why did
Speaker 1: that upset you so much? That was two thousand and
Speaker 1: probably eleven twelve, thir twelve. I don't know. It's just
Speaker 1: like when your girlfriend tell you, shi't like that. We
Speaker 1: sh don't like you know more. You know that's part
Speaker 1: of the game. But I like that. Damn. I don't
Speaker 1: did so much for you. But you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: don't sacrifice for y'all. I could have left, oh, I
Speaker 1: could have left right a year or two ago when
Speaker 1: y'all asked me to come off the bench my free
Speaker 1: agent year, right, and you said, okay, chill cool. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't say that at first. I say, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying getting the set, Yeah, I say, y'all
Speaker 1: gonna talk to somebody. Gotta talk to me into that ship,
Speaker 1: Phil Kobe, I better sit me down or something, have
Speaker 1: a one on one with me and tell me why
Speaker 1: I need to give up this thirty million dollars or
Speaker 1: twenty million to come off y'all bench. So what did
Speaker 1: Kobe tell you, because that's what they said they sit
Speaker 1: the clothes there. That the closest deal. What Kobe tell you, yello,
Speaker 1: we can't do it without your brother. I ain't. No,
Speaker 1: we ain't know what we're gonna be able to do
Speaker 1: with out you. Just like that, that's all you needed
Speaker 1: to hear. So you got me all right, You got
Speaker 1: me on the back, all right. But that's twenty Maine man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could still be spending some of that money. Brother.
Speaker 1: Where you where you went to the Lakers? Did you
Speaker 1: lose your love for basketball? Back to the Lakers? Know
Speaker 1: when you went to them? Excuse me? With the MAVs.
Speaker 1: When you went, when you went, when you went to
Speaker 1: the MAVs, what happened? It just seemed like I didn't
Speaker 1: want to be there. And then this man, one of
Speaker 1: the most powerful men in basketball. I told him when
Speaker 1: I went through, that's some of my couch cousin got killed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was in a real fucked up Spike Minster, So
Speaker 1: I told him I keep my sisters. I had a
Speaker 1: real good situation in LA. I don't really want to
Speaker 1: come to your team. This is what I'm going through mentally.
Speaker 1: My closest cousin just got killed. Right first game, I'm
Speaker 1: playing bad. What the fuck are you doing? The owner's
Speaker 1: yelling at me from the sideline from the sidelof from
Speaker 1: the bench. Yeah, because he's sitting next to He's sitting
Speaker 1: next to the team. So I'm like, I'm just I
Speaker 1: started comparing the situation. I'm like, Joe, worst wouldn't be
Speaker 1: doing this shit. The fuck the word. The worst thing
Speaker 1: you can do is compare. You feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: In any relationship, you gotta lead the bags, whatever, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever's sue a queer lead at lead out of the door.
Speaker 1: They come into a totally new, a new, a new bag.
Speaker 1: I start calling my agent like, Yo, this nigga miss
Speaker 1: my fucking screaming at me for playing bad after everything
Speaker 1: I told him. I've been through the summer knowing my
Speaker 1: head and out of the game. Yeah, mister jumped Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Mister Lap did too. It was just a bad fit.
Speaker 1: And then he then were playing in Memphis whatever, I'm
Speaker 1: shipping all over the court, playing bad, and he tries
Speaker 1: to get me in the game, right mark human, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this white man. Yeah, he goes get in the game.
Speaker 1: Whoa whoa, whoa, whoa whoa whoa? That man kick you
Speaker 1: dieting the game, and it would hello, what did you do?
Speaker 1: I was about to fuck him up. But Vince Carter
Speaker 1: was sitting right here, like sitting and Vince see me,
Speaker 1: and Vince just got up and set him on chill
Speaker 1: out because he put his feet on me. I was
Speaker 1: gonna fuck him up. Yeah, he supposed to it. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even felt bad. I wouldn't even I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: felt bad. I ain't gonna lie. You only kick a dog.
Speaker 1: I ain't been letting him man. Putting no feet on me,
Speaker 1: that was. I would have wrapped him if he would
Speaker 1: have smacked me, saying if he'd just say kick your
Speaker 1: asking him out to be okay? Oh yeah, I'll have
Speaker 1: got him with that too. It. You gotta wear asks
Speaker 1: with it either way. But you definitely not gonna pat
Speaker 1: your feet on me. Your feet made for walking. Clearly
Speaker 1: you don't like walking. Because you put your feet on me,
Speaker 1: you're not walking. So that was the end of it.
Speaker 1: Once he did that, that was it. Did you have
Speaker 1: a conversation Did you have a conversation with it after that? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: you gotta talk to him. Man. You gotta say, Mark, Bro,
Speaker 1: you can't put your feet on I mean, it's I
Speaker 1: almost feel bad telling that story publicly, but I've said
Speaker 1: it before publicly because I understand power. He ain't got
Speaker 1: that much power, and I understand how powerful he is
Speaker 1: in the world. That's okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's when I was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: it would be best if you just yeah, just Oakley
Speaker 1: tells a story about at the Clippers. I believe you
Speaker 1: were at the Clippers and he came into your Jeff
Speaker 1: mcinners pus, Jeff McGinnis. He is that true. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: did that. Y'all ain't do nothing. Let me tell you something, man,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't say with Debo that say would riding call
Speaker 1: him with Debo when they're rolling dice and Debo jumped over.
Speaker 1: They didn't help if y'all father had to help it.
Speaker 1: I know I was. I was with the ships. I
Speaker 1: was talking ship and Charles Oley was his big ass chest.
Speaker 1: He was like, hello, I told him, motherfucker, I had
Speaker 1: punishment waiting for him, he said, I told him, I
Speaker 1: have punishment waiting for I'm like doing the purpose punishment.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna back. Yeah, I'm gonna chill out on that.
Speaker 1: I've seen we just did them, my man, I'm gonna sill.
Speaker 1: He's a big dude. Okay, dude, he's okay being fast
Speaker 1: forward All Star Games in DC. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: your guys at the hotel, I heard about this one.
Speaker 1: He's lying. He lying that never happened. That didn't happened. No,
Speaker 1: because he said he said that he walked in an elevator. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was on there with my boys. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they walked off. Y'all got off. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: It isn't his book, but I I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take that ass. You ain't wanting no confrontation, you like,
Speaker 1: you know what, But that ain't happened though, Okay, I
Speaker 1: believe I ain't. That didn't happen. I believe you know
Speaker 1: what happened, because I'm gonna keep it. I probably would
Speaker 1: have had to have them to stop him, them from
Speaker 1: them from whipping oaks ass. If they feel like somebody's
Speaker 1: threatening me, right old him. I'm gonna finck who you are,
Speaker 1: NBA player, If you're feeling they threatened, Lamar oldham Mercer
Speaker 1: right from my you know what I'm saying, ain't nobody
Speaker 1: gonna know. But he I don't remember that. But he
Speaker 1: did walk into shoot around and put he did that
Speaker 1: walk right up to it that he that happened, y'all
Speaker 1: did ain't nobody jump o yall, y'all have ain't that
Speaker 1: shit happened so fast and he and it was like
Speaker 1: a chart you ain't knowing and cart him somebody get
Speaker 1: hit the spinning around like spun around. I looked at
Speaker 1: his feeling like, damn, jeff you right there like he
Speaker 1: had a dentness face. But yeah, so Jeffers Jeffer is
Speaker 1: a real thorough dude, though, But didn't nobody did you did? Nobody?
Speaker 1: Didn't nobody see him as didn't nobody see him coming?
Speaker 1: How about it walked from one year y'all at the
Speaker 1: other end, and don't nobody see nothing? Oak didn't want
Speaker 1: none of that smoke from Jefferson people, though they had
Speaker 1: some people on his ass. You know that, You know that?
Speaker 1: How close do you follow the current NBA? Watch as
Speaker 1: many games the reck TV allows me to Obviously you're
Speaker 1: a laker. But Luca, Luca, how Luca do that? Luca? Luca?
Speaker 1: Luca probably can't bitch, probably can't bitch that glass. Luca
Speaker 1: probably gonna run like a ten flat forty. He's probably
Speaker 1: the antithesis of everything a great basketball players should look like.
Speaker 1: But he busted people. You know what. That's why I
Speaker 1: love him so much, because he shows this game like
Speaker 1: and while I really like watching him is because anybody
Speaker 1: be like so hyped the player and he just they'd
Speaker 1: be trying to speed him up and he'd be going, Now,
Speaker 1: I don't want to go that I don't want to
Speaker 1: go that fast. I'm gonna stay right here in first gear.
Speaker 1: You can't get me to go to see of the third.
Speaker 1: I'mously gonna stay in first. But because speed is exceptive.
Speaker 1: And then when he do like put on the gear,
Speaker 1: you way off cause I'd like Luca braun Ah of course,
Speaker 1: Greek free, James Harden. I like the way they played
Speaker 1: the game, especially players that see the game of step
Speaker 1: ahead CP three feel me making players better? Right? You
Speaker 1: came up the bitch one sixth man of the year.
Speaker 1: Do you think that would be a role Rush should
Speaker 1: or could embrace or does I don't think Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: should come off the bench for whoever, for what? But
Speaker 1: I don't like I don't Russell. I don't know why
Speaker 1: people like while he getting a bad because the legers
Speaker 1: didn't do well and Ship he didn't do well either.
Speaker 1: A d played the ad Harley played. Yeah, Lebron missed.
Speaker 1: Broun played fifty four fifty five games, so he missed.
Speaker 1: The offense is terrible. Don't have no there's nothing fluid
Speaker 1: about your offense. You're giving a ball Lebron. And let
Speaker 1: me say this is let me tell you how stupid
Speaker 1: NBA team so right, really right? They give the ball
Speaker 1: to their best player, right right. They put that play
Speaker 1: in the pick and roll that player most of the times,
Speaker 1: he handles the ball almost to the shot clocks at
Speaker 1: the end. Right then he's passionate to a player that's
Speaker 1: not as good as him and has to make or
Speaker 1: take a shot and less it's time as he had
Speaker 1: the ball. So he's getting the ball to your best player.
Speaker 1: He's dripping the ball in to pick and roll. He's
Speaker 1: just handling it to half the end of the clock,
Speaker 1: and he's given it to a player less caliber to
Speaker 1: make the player at the end of the shot clock.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm mostly all officers like that. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't mind that, But you know what, I want to
Speaker 1: put it in a shooter's hand that's not as good
Speaker 1: as me, but that can shoot. But even if it's
Speaker 1: just a shooter. The shooter is not as good as Yeah,
Speaker 1: the player that was handling the ball, that's as But
Speaker 1: I just don't look. I think Russ is a phenomenal player.
Speaker 1: I just think he'll be a better player as the leads. No, no,
Speaker 1: as it started somewhere else. You think Russ can never
Speaker 1: be Russ as the third option because that's what the
Speaker 1: that's what he is on the lake. How Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's had the ball his whole If that's what you
Speaker 1: have to be. Good players adjust to their situation when
Speaker 1: you know if well, if you don't adjust, then you
Speaker 1: he has to leave it. If you're not gonna adjust
Speaker 1: to being the third best player when you're right, then
Speaker 1: you have to leave because you're the third best playing
Speaker 1: on the team. Right. And that's my only point. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that he's not a good player, but I'm
Speaker 1: saying what he's always been at Okay, see what he
Speaker 1: was at Washington, what he was at Houston. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they look at him the ball and just said, no,
Speaker 1: you have to play off the ball now, right, if
Speaker 1: you want to win. He's never won a championship, right,
Speaker 1: And so how do you after after fifteen years of
Speaker 1: playing it this way. Well, I guess Russi and ad
Speaker 1: To just should have asked down and say Broun and
Speaker 1: I think that's what they thought when they when they
Speaker 1: signed off, when they were talking in the beginning about
Speaker 1: him coming. I'm sure everybody had a clear idea of
Speaker 1: what the situation was gonna be. What did you watch
Speaker 1: the Lakers A lot? I did every single freaking game.
Speaker 1: What do you what would you think their problem was?
Speaker 1: Because the problem was definitely defense? But dat what defense?
Speaker 1: Because you had guys that have never played defense at
Speaker 1: any point in time in their career, and the guys
Speaker 1: that had played defense were old Trevor REESA is old
Speaker 1: defensive team game, but they had older ad Okay. A
Speaker 1: D is the best defensive player, but A D was
Speaker 1: in street clothes, dressed like you and I right now.
Speaker 1: So he can't help you defensively, and you don't have
Speaker 1: anybody that can really stay in front of anybody. So
Speaker 1: now it's a it's a layup line to the basket.
Speaker 1: Lebron can Lebron can give you spurts some defense, but
Speaker 1: I don't I'm not expecting Lebron to play defense like
Speaker 1: he did in Cleveland, in Miami in your nineteen you're eighteen,
Speaker 1: definitely not in your twenty. I stopped watching them when
Speaker 1: I realized that. I didn't give up, but I gave up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And because it's I started. It started the freshman when
Speaker 1: it frustrate me, and I realized that was pushing Lebron.
Speaker 1: It'sn't pushing the rest of their players, right, And like
Speaker 1: when people come yeah Lebron and Kobe, I would say,
Speaker 1: the only difference is what Kobe had inside of him
Speaker 1: rubbed off on all of us. So Bron should grab
Speaker 1: people by the throat. I don't. I don't. Whatever you
Speaker 1: gotta do like that will to make them that's not.
Speaker 1: That's not it's not it's not. It's not him personally, films,
Speaker 1: it's not him. So I can you know. I don't
Speaker 1: fought him for that, but I thought that would happen.
Speaker 1: I saw what you said, Kareem is to go if Lebron. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you said that because you believe it,
Speaker 1: or you said that because he's a New York native.
Speaker 1: I mean, y'all guys stick together, all in New York
Speaker 1: can stick together. But if no, I love basketball, Yeah,
Speaker 1: That's why I say that from from the eighth grade two,
Speaker 1: let's say age thirty five. Ye, another body was better
Speaker 1: in Kareem. He went to college and you know about
Speaker 1: the story. Yeah, beat the beat me slay. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was a freshman freshman, couldn't play back there. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: his freshman team beat the defending national champions. Other players
Speaker 1: can dunk. I don't know no other player that can
Speaker 1: take that seventeen foot Scott hook. Do you think Kareem
Speaker 1: getting the credit that he deserved because he's never thought
Speaker 1: of it? No, no, no, no, no, he don't. He
Speaker 1: changed his name to a Muslim name in the sixties
Speaker 1: in America because he has the most MVPs. Everything was
Speaker 1: six titles. He has third most. He had the most points.
Speaker 1: I think he has the third most rebounds. I mean Milwaukee, Milwaukee,
Speaker 1: Kareem Alu Alcinder. He was putting on the floor boom
Speaker 1: boom boom stuff. That's what they called it. Stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. He he has the most
Speaker 1: unstoppable shot ever created exactly. I mean, you could talk
Speaker 1: about Jordan and Kobe's fade away, you can talk about
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant. You know how you said you said Jordan
Speaker 1: or Kobe's fadeaway. Yeah, I mean you don't say. You
Speaker 1: don't say Kareem or Scott. No, no, no, no, Scott
Speaker 1: hook is the most unstoppable shop it were created, shot
Speaker 1: ever created. It's not even close. It's so funny. I
Speaker 1: don't I don't even remember like me taking some of
Speaker 1: those when I was like little like being just like practicing.
Speaker 1: Because you think about it. I mean, normally, when you
Speaker 1: shoot the ball, you're looking at the rim. He's throwing
Speaker 1: the sky hooked the ball tover. Hey he looking at
Speaker 1: the rim. But the balls over here, I take an
Speaker 1: enormous amount of like skilled though. Yeah, flipping. It's crazy
Speaker 1: because Kareem was damned that's sixty years old. Were playing
Speaker 1: we're here we uh uh. He was coaching with us
Speaker 1: on the Clippers. Yeah, with Mike all little Candy, and
Speaker 1: he like her. He working out all little Candy, all
Speaker 1: little Candy like. It was kind of like and Karree
Speaker 1: was like, oh hold up, bring that shit down here,
Speaker 1: bring that ball down here? What bust his ass? What for?
Speaker 1: We're like two poopers after the room. What bust his ass? Like? Yeah,
Speaker 1: young fella, take some of this. I was like yeah,
Speaker 1: a cat but busted. That's true story too. Kareb at
Speaker 1: sixty years old giving it gay candy man the business
Speaker 1: giving it to him. How's your sobriety going? Well, I
Speaker 1: do a smoke a little weed. I don't even drink though,
Speaker 1: very rack. You're good facts every day fact. But lamar,
Speaker 1: you know every thing to do. But you know you
Speaker 1: gotta walk. You gotta walk by. You got by pack
Speaker 1: your store, You go to a restaurant and people already
Speaker 1: drinks every day. You got this right here, that this
Speaker 1: one dude, get me to do no cocaine? Do you
Speaker 1: want to bottom? Hell? Yeah, I don't. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Just a stunt and I'll share it. But I don't
Speaker 1: really drink a lot Like yeah, I don't don't drik
Speaker 1: a lot. Say say shay, that's they call you? Probably
Speaker 1: say right, that's what they call me. Man. I'm proud
Speaker 1: of you. I'm happy you. Appreciates for sharing your story.
Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing a lot of some of the NBA stories.
Speaker 1: But your life is what you've been able to overcome.
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