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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip.

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Speaker 1: This is our life, this.

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Speaker 2: Is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Hey bitches, live YouTube worldwide everybody.

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Speaker 1: Also the DraftKings Network later this afternoon. But right now

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Speaker 1: we are live and worldwide. Welcome to Morning Combat, your

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Speaker 1: UFC three hundred edition. My name is Luke Thomas. That

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Speaker 1: is Chuck Minenhall. Now don't despair. Brian Campbell joins us,

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Speaker 1: armed and with communicable diseases, all the way from Florida.

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Speaker 1: By the way, guys, I hear something back there. Oh

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Speaker 1: it's my computer. Nevermind, Sorry, there we go. Let me

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Speaker 1: turn that off. Here we go. Sorry about that. We

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Speaker 1: have a lot to get to today. John Jones News.

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Speaker 1: We have UFC Fight Night, Chris Curtis versus Brendan Allen

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Speaker 1: reactions and plus we're gonna go fight by fight with BC.

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Speaker 1: He will join us for the UFC three hundred portion

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Speaker 1: of the show. But my man, Chuck mindenha, you didn't

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Speaker 1: have to lie.

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Speaker 3: We know BC is actually here. I just took a

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Speaker 3: spot for this one. It's three hundred we want something special.

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Speaker 1: So I'm here. He's just going to fire a desert

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Speaker 1: eagle into the sky to celebrate as many times as

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Speaker 1: how you been.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Before we get too man, I just

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Speaker 3: want to say, right off the top, we did a

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Speaker 3: preview maybe two years ago. You're on the rooftops and

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Speaker 3: river and you said, one day we're going to be

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Speaker 3: in Manhattan. Do you remember this, You said, one day

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Speaker 3: we're going to be taping over in Manhattan.

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Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, we are here. We are. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: had to have a limp to get here, but we

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Speaker 1: did in fact get here. Nice to see you, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: And of course if you want more of Chuck's work,

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Speaker 1: you're on the Ringer Podcast with Aril Hawane and what

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Speaker 1: two of America's most wanted Pizzi Carol and Arielwan Again.

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Speaker 3: People want me to get banned by PFL now so

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Maybe after today's discussion you will.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to get to. We'll talk a

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Speaker 1: little about be as well. Before we get started here

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Speaker 1: very quickly, we're gonna start with John Joe's news, But

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Speaker 1: hold on just one second, if I may, I have

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Speaker 1: to tell you after a month of APEX cards, I

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Speaker 1: Atlantic City is the land of time for good. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really count as going on the road. Your

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Speaker 3: How you feeling now that we're here, Now that we're

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Speaker 3: at it and it's next on the docket, I'm more excited.

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Speaker 1: If you look at this card, it's sick. It is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I mean I even was going back and looking at

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Speaker 1: He noted, if you there's a certain number of fighters

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Speaker 1: Charles Minton Hall Uh, we start with We start with

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Speaker 3: I'm almost immune at this point to John Jones's kind

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Speaker 1: And in fact what John is telling us is true,

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Speaker 1: that is, that is plausible. However, every single detail of

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's the whole thing. You just laid it out.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember this. He had almost a halo around him.

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Speaker 1: He's stopping Roberts outside of pattern day he beat show Gun.

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Speaker 3: And it's very strange that he does run into these

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Speaker 1: What am I supposed to say about? What am I

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Speaker 1: they made many arguments that I had made in criticism

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Speaker 1: of USADA, which was somewhat heartening and I do think

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Speaker 1: that there are actual improvements to the humanity of the

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Speaker 1: UFC going in house, But there's also the UFC going

435
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Speaker 1: in house because they want to control everything else. That's

436
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Speaker 1: always been their mo And okay, fine, that's this is

437
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Speaker 1: my point. In that whole time they have retained more

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Speaker 1: control and in trying to advocate and raise these issues

439
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Speaker 1: with fighters like, don't you find this to be really unfair?

440
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Speaker 1: Just get a lot of shoulder shrugs. I'm happy to

441
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Speaker 1: return the favor. I'm happy to return the favor if

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Speaker 1: they find it unfair. Here's my response. Tough shit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So I have been seeing your tweets like and I

446
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Speaker 1: can tell I just see it. I can see. What

447
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Speaker 1: more am I supposed to What more are we supposed

448
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Speaker 1: to do in shining a light on these matters when

449
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Speaker 1: all that has happened during that time is the situation

450
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Speaker 1: in terms of the control anyway, has gotten worse. I'm

451
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Speaker 1: ready to move on.

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Speaker 3: This was the sawsuit was the one thing out there

453
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Speaker 3: that was a potential game changer for anything that we're

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Speaker 3: talking about.

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Speaker 1: It was the only thing exactly so once that goes away.

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Speaker 1: It's sort of like, well, what's the point?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the point?

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Speaker 1: All right? Topic number two? If I okay on to

459
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Speaker 1: brighter pastors or greener pastors. Anyway, Topic number two, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about the main event that happened over the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Chris Curtis thought Brendan Allen. He loses via split decision.

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Speaker 1: Alan wins two scorecards forty seven, one, forty nine, forty six.

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Speaker 1: It was a rematch. Strangely, Chuck, they fought the first time,

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Speaker 1: and that was also a situation where Curtis was filling

465
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Speaker 1: on a short notice. Just like this time they ended

466
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Speaker 1: up competing. Alan lost the first time he got stopped.

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Speaker 1: He loses this one. First of all, I'd be curious

468
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Speaker 1: to know what you meane of the fight overall? What

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Speaker 1: did you think of it? But more to the point,

470
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Speaker 1: where does each fighter really go from here? Did you

471
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Speaker 1: look at this as like Brendan Allen's step up point?

472
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Speaker 1: Did you look at it as Chris Curtis's drop off point?

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Speaker 1: And this is why I asked that, Hmm, I thought

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Speaker 1: Chris Curtis, I thought Brendan Allen approved, But I thought

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Speaker 1: Chris Curtis won it. But now they're going to go

476
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Speaker 1: in separate directions even more so, it's a strange outcome. Well,

477
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Speaker 1: in a weird way. They only get you know, the

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Speaker 1: Brendan Allen.

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Speaker 3: It only really benefits him, right, Like this is like,

480
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Speaker 3: here's your chance, here's the one loss on your record.

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Speaker 3: You have a string of wins. You can avenge this,

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Speaker 3: and then you're just kind of free, right like you

483
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Speaker 3: can kind of move up the ranks.

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Speaker 1: And he didn't do it with flying colors.

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you thought the fight would go, like,

486
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you projected Allen should get through

487
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Speaker 3: him easier, but the fight did not play out in

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Speaker 3: a way that would skyrocket you. Even though he moves

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Speaker 3: up in the rankings, I think in the official UFC rankings,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure it was a skyrocketing type of thing.

491
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Speaker 3: And that's what made the Marvin Vttori situation a little

492
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Speaker 3: interesting because he was supposed to be on this card

493
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Speaker 3: and they're still chirping at each other, and I think

494
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Speaker 3: Victoria is still sitting above him in the rankings, but

495
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Speaker 3: now he's looking right past forty and then to these

496
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Speaker 3: greener pastures. It's a weird one, you know, it's just

497
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Speaker 3: a weird one. But I think that when you look

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Speaker 3: at a win streak in that division at the length

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Speaker 3: that is what it is at seven. Now, I think

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Speaker 3: you gotta even even even if you catch like a

501
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Speaker 3: hard fight like this, it was a good fight. You know,

502
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Speaker 3: you catch a hard matchup that you narrowly get through

503
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Speaker 3: and some people might have thought he lost. I think

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Speaker 3: it still does him well, but I don't know how

505
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Speaker 3: much it really boosts him. I think he does have

506
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Speaker 3: to go through a victory or something like that before

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Speaker 3: he gets one of those top top guys. What did

508
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Speaker 3: you think of the scoring? Because I know that you

509
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Speaker 3: analyze fights and you probably do the judging criteria by

510
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Speaker 3: the tee a little more and like look at it

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Speaker 3: that way, But what how did you score the fight.

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Speaker 4: And what did you think of it?

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Speaker 1: Forty seven Curtis? Okay, I thought that it was close.

514
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Speaker 1: I mean, and that this is the rule as well

515
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Speaker 1: that folks just have a hard time accepting what you

516
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Speaker 1: should do in your mind is even if you feel like, oh,

517
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Speaker 1: my guy was the guy that did well, whatever situation

518
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Speaker 1: that may end up being, if the fight is close

519
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Speaker 1: where you can see that it might come down just

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Speaker 1: with decision, you automatically need to think of it as

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Speaker 1: a jump ball in basketball, auto automatically if it's if

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Speaker 1: it's at all close, it can go either way, even

523
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Speaker 1: if you feel like you've got to beat on one

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Speaker 1: or the other. So for that reason, you can't complain. Right. However,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually one of the guys that more often tends

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Speaker 1: to believe grappling is undervalued in MMA, and I want

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Speaker 1: to be clear too. Here's my issue. It is very

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Speaker 1: obvious that Chris Curtis, excuse me, that Brendan Allen since

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Speaker 1: the first Chris Curtis fight, has approved. In fact, that's

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Speaker 1: his last loss was the first Chris Curtis fight, right,

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Speaker 1: and since then he went on to beat Sam Alvi,

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Speaker 1: Jacob Malcoun, Christoph Jocko, Andremonnies, Bruno Silva, Paul Craig, and

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Speaker 1: Chris Curtis, and he got subs in the last four

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Speaker 1: of those five of those, excuse me. So he's obviously

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Speaker 1: doing something great. He has improved tremendously. But I thought

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Speaker 1: that the damage that Chris Curtis did, Chris Curtis has

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Speaker 1: a problem. I'll just reveal this. I've actually spoken to

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Speaker 1: him about these things. We've had private conversations about it.

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Speaker 1: He has two basic problems. One is that he is

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Speaker 1: a slow starter, and two he does a lot of

541
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Speaker 1: boxing inside body work that the judges don't often value. Okay,

542
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Speaker 1: I didn't think the first problem was an issue this time,

543
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Speaker 1: although obviously he got you know, his back taken in

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Speaker 1: the first round. But I did think that once more,

545
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Speaker 1: some of the shot placement the judges don't really value.

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Speaker 1: Even though I thought he did great damage, I thought

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Speaker 1: that some of the back control that Alan had, even

548
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Speaker 1: though he was kind of fishing for the for the

549
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Speaker 1: real naked choke, it was good, not great. And so

550
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Speaker 1: for me it's like, dude, one guy got beat up

551
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Speaker 1: a lot more than the other guy. The submission threats

552
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: were challenging, but not overwhelming. Chris Curtis should win. Chis

553
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Speaker 1: Curtis should win if I think, if you judge it

554
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Speaker 1: by one criteria, this is debatable as well or pride whatever.

555
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Speaker 1: I thought Chris Curtis had the better effort overall. And

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Speaker 1: what a it's such a like you just mentioned issue

557
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Speaker 1: it back to you. I'll pitch it back to you.

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Speaker 1: This is the issue. For me, It's like dude has

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Speaker 1: Brendan Allen improved. Yes, does he have a k Obviously

560
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Speaker 1: he won, but even if you didn't think he won,

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Speaker 1: is it close enough that you could see it for him?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: The problem is was that the kind of mandate win

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Speaker 1: where now you get to like pick He was treating

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Speaker 1: it that way, which I understand. I'm not even I'm

566
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Speaker 1: not even dude. You got to call your shot no

567
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Speaker 1: matter how, even if you edge it out. Golby goes

568
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Speaker 1: in there and loses terribly, He's like, I should get

569
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Speaker 1: a title shot next. You gotta do it. So that's

570
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Speaker 1: not what I'm saying. What I am saying is like

571
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Speaker 1: I've been waiting for like these, dude. The best thing

572
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Speaker 1: in fight sports is when a guy comes up and

573
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Speaker 1: just tips over all the fucking Apple cards and just bullt,

574
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Speaker 1: like when GSP beat Frank Trigg, just just taking it over.

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Speaker 1: This was a commendable effort. It just wasn't very close

576
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Speaker 1: to that.

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Speaker 3: Sure, you remember Sharuto, you know what I'm talking about.

578
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Speaker 3: You'll see like forties fifties Sharuto.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember who was he fighting. I can tell

580
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Speaker 1: you the Hughes, oh Hayatosakarai. Yeah, yeah, there was a

581
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Speaker 1: I watched a good good fighter. Yeah, remember that, Like

582
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Speaker 1: I remember watching a rewatching that fight with Doc.

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Speaker 4: Doc Hamilton was that his name.

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Speaker 3: He was a judge and he was walking through this

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Speaker 3: is before they kind of like specified damage and all

586
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Speaker 3: that stuff. But he was like, just watch this fight

587
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Speaker 3: and tell me who do you think's in charge? Right,

588
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: because you're talking about with the grappling and stuff like that,

589
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Speaker 3: and even though Sharuto was like on the ground, he's

590
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Speaker 3: dictating the action in a lot of ways, presenting threats,

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Speaker 3: all that sort of thing.

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Speaker 4: And in the end he's like, so what do you think.

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, well, it's probably Shirudo, right, and he's like, yes,

594
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Speaker 3: because who's making who dance to who's to be you

595
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Speaker 3: know what I mean? And it's this fight a little

596
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Speaker 3: bit had a little bit of that. It was sort

597
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Speaker 3: of like you're watching and it's a little deceptive what

598
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Speaker 3: you're watching. So like people were all over the place

599
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Speaker 3: with who won this fight. Some people agreed, some people didn't.

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Speaker 3: But it was one of those types of fights, right,

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Speaker 3: like we're you have to actually kind of analyze it

602
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Speaker 3: a little closer to get to come to your conclusion.

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Speaker 1: Yes, by the way, it is Hayatosaka. Yeah, I'm trying

604
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Speaker 1: to look at it. Who else it could have been?

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Speaker 1: That was the one there? I have to go back

606
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Speaker 1: and rewatch that contest happens.

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Speaker 4: It's a fun one. It's a fun one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was just an early It was an

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Speaker 3: early example of you remember Demetrius Kevin Randaman boz Ruten.

610
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Speaker 1: Right where boz Ruton won because he was like a

611
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: little more Jiu Jitsuly on bottom basically.

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Speaker 3: And it's one of those right, like you're just like,

613
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Speaker 3: what are you valuing here? It's just I think it's

614
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Speaker 3: fun when we have these, but it does suck you

615
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Speaker 3: mentioned off the top because you're like, Curtis now goes

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Speaker 3: in a different direction, and I'm not sure he deserves that,

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Speaker 3: you know.

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Speaker 1: And also I mean because he was filling it on a

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Speaker 1: short notice. Let me pull up the rankings out if

620
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Speaker 1: my memories, If my memory serves, they were far apart

621
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Speaker 1: in the rankings at middleweight, so again they haven't been

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Speaker 1: updated yet. So these are the ones that they went

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Speaker 1: into it with. Brendan Allen was sitting at six, Chris

624
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Speaker 1: Curtis was sitting at fourteen. So if Chris Curtis gets

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Speaker 1: the nod there, and by the way, of course, he

626
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Speaker 1: did get one on the judges' scorecards. If he gets

627
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Speaker 1: the nod there, dude, you're I'm you're not gonna be

628
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Speaker 1: in the top five, but you're well into the top

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Speaker 1: ten at that point, thirty six years of age. Then

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Speaker 1: he tears his hamstring, which, yes, I'm not a medical doctor.

631
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Speaker 1: I don't know at all what the diagnosis is, but

632
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,159
Speaker 1: typically we know hamstring injury. They's take a long time

633
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 1: to recover from. And thirty six years of age, that's a

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Speaker 1: lot to deal with. Jesus, and he gets half his

635
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Speaker 1: person and there was no bonus.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, Chris, you will make it right.

637
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Speaker 3: You know, if if a guy fills in for them

638
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 3: and it doesn't as solid, they usually take care of him.

639
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Speaker 4: That's kidding, of course.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they did. Maybe they did. Maybe it was for

641
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Speaker 1: a main event, so maybe they did. Yes, I hope

642
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: that they did. But either way, it's like, dude, the

643
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Speaker 1: consequences of I can't call it bad judging, but I

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Speaker 1: would say in this case disputed judging are enormous for

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Speaker 1: both guys.

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Speaker 3: Man, I know, it is crazy. It is crazy, like

647
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Speaker 3: that is that is one of those if you're looking

648
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 3: at straight from stakes, you're right, like that's going to

649
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 3: hurt curse.

650
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not sure it puts an end

651
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 4: to whatever.

652
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: He's one, you've talked to him more than me if

653
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: he has title aspirations, But I mean that might be.

654
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: I think I think we've never talked explicitly about title aspirations. Again,

655
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: I don't I won't get into the details. But I

656
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: think the way I would understand him, and I could

657
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: be wrong, is that he is a he sees himself

658
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: as a craftsman, yeah, and wants to ply his trade

659
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: and producing the best craft that he can. Obviously, you

660
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: know all these guys want to win, but it's more

661
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: along those lines. I think. I don't know if like

662
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I'm sure all these guys want the title

663
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: in some capacity, but it's more about that. But I

664
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: was just thinking, I was like, gohle Man, this is

665
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: I mean, And you know, there are a lot of

666
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: criticisms of APEX made events, which are these are very

667
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: worthy criticisms, and this one was doing podcast with a

668
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: guy who hates him hates them.

669
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: I haven't heard that.

670
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that at all. That's news to me.

671
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: But here was one that was consequential, Here was one

672
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: that actually was meaningful, I would argue painfully. So it's

673
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: just an incredibly unfortunate Well again, it's great for Brendan Allen,

674
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: and he does have a case for winning. Obviously he

675
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: didn't run just running back number three then no, I

676
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. I mean, he don't even

677
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: knows when he's going to be back. It just leads me.

678
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about three hundred here in a minute,

679
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: but like a lot of these fights on three hundred,

680
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: at least, I should say several of these fights on

681
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: three hundred, it's a lot of young gun trying to

682
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: my favorite arminsaw. You can take an troll from Vera.

683
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 4: That is your delight.

684
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: We'll we'll talk about that a little bit later, but

685
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: this is what I mean. It's like, when they get

686
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: shut down, you feel or BSD versus poaritier. When they

687
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: get shut down, you feel great for the vest at right,

688
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: but you're right, fuck it.

689
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,760
Speaker 4: That's that's to me. And I know we'll touch on

690
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 4: all that, but that.

691
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: Paria fight, him standing in there against that assault, fiting

692
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: down and eventually catching him it's still that's gonna be

693
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 3: one of the greatest moments of his career. Yeah, and

694
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: it was like one of the moments of the year

695
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 3: for me. That's just an amazing moment.

696
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: When people said, does Dustin Poartier have a more impressive

697
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: resume than Islam Makachev, It's like, well, Markachev can do

698
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: more and has achieved more in the sense of capturing

699
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: a weight class title and then defending it. Yeah. On

700
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: the other hand, the list of scalps onume destroys Chef's resume.

701
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: It's not even fucking close, No so.

702
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 3: And what since twenty eleven and whatever, It's just an

703
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: insane run of thirteen years, you.

704
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: Know, adorable, powerful, amazing. Okay, we'll get to that a

705
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: little bit later. Last time. To start off today's show,

706
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: before we transition to the DMS and then to UFC

707
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: three hundred, let's talk about the PFL just briefly, Chuck.

708
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: I know this is every MMA right in my wheelhouse. Now,

709
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: every MMA fans favorite topic. You're like talking about PFL

710
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: before you US eight three hundred, just a little They

711
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: had their season opener, Chuck. It was in San Antonio, Texas.

712
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of belt or veterans on the card. Strangely,

713
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: they redid Marcelo Gone versus what's the guy's name, James Wesley, Wesley, James,

714
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: I forget his name. It's one of those Yeah, big dude,

715
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: he's a great fighter. I don't mean to disparait him

716
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: in any way. He's a great guy. And then of

717
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: course they did the third fight for no fucking reason

718
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: at all, between Liz Carmouche and Juliana Velaskis. But but

719
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: just for the hell of it, chuck, let me take

720
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: let me take off my gloss. Uh oh, here's my

721
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: question to you, what the fuck is the PFL doing

722
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: there was if they had if you had told me

723
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: that was in the ufc Apex, just like if I

724
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: had to close my eyes and then just listen, I

725
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: would have believed you. Like there was no crowd at all?

726
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: You mean san Antonio wasn't clamoring for this event.

727
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: San Antonio, I mean, dude, there were more people drowning

728
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: in the river walk than there was in attendance. They

729
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: had questionable fights on there, weird matchups that they didn't need,

730
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: a format this tournament that no one is asking for, dude.

731
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: Women's flyweights and heavyweights. Could you pick two less relevant

732
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: fucking divisions? Ye? Starting off with that to kick off

733
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: the season. It's like, dude, if you're the PFL, you're

734
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: up against it because the UFC basically controls the The

735
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: MMA industry is the UFC industry at this point, so

736
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: no matter what they do do, they're up against it.

737
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: And I understand that, but please explain to me, Chuck,

738
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: why is there seemingly no attempt at a value ad.

739
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: I can't get this from the UFC, but I can

740
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: get this from the PFL. One has a different rule set,

741
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: four ounce moy Thai. It's a legitimately very similar but

742
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: meaningfully different product. Dude, What the fuck is the PFL doing, Chuck?

743
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 3: If you is it part Maybe this is because I

744
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 3: feel like, for me a little bit, it's like we

745
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 3: didn't know what was going to look like.

746
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 1: PFL buas Belatar, what does this mean? You know?

747
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: You kind of go through these processes and like what

748
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: is it going to end up being? And I guess

749
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: that you start to see what it ends up being

750
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 3: and hopefully, I don't know, maybe they're just trying to

751
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 3: figure out what's going to work. But there's a little

752
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 3: bit of a disappointment because I think that's what you're doing,

753
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: like maybe as kind of a combined forces thing, an

754
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 3: integrated roster. You basically are saying, here's how we're going

755
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 3: to distinguish. And if you listen to Don Davis, you

756
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 3: listen to the guys about trying to become co leaders,

757
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 3: I think that was kind of what they're looking like,

758
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 3: that was kind of what they're saying they wanted to do.

759
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: But you're getting an event like.

760
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 3: This, and it felt very you know, it felt very

761
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: like Bellator, you know, one oh seven or something where

762
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 3: it's just weird. Maybe that was a good one, I

763
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: don't know, but like just a random Bellatorn probably not

764
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: just a random Belotor night and you're just you know,

765
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: if you're around, maybe you're tuning in. But even like

766
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 3: die Hard and this isn't this, I don't think this

767
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 3: is necessarily a UFC centric thing. Like it's not a

768
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 3: UFC die Hard thing. I won't tune in to watch it.

769
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: It could be some of that, but I think a

770
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 3: part of it is why would you have tuned into this?

771
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 3: Like you watch a lot of MMA if you're a fan, right,

772
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: like you watch IMA. I mean Liz Carmosch is gonna

773
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 3: jump off, and I'm not. Lis Carmusch has been part

774
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: of some some historic events, but she's also been part

775
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: of some of the worst.

776
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: Forty and she's forty. A fellow marine, Yes, I have

777
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 1: nothing about to say her, but in realistic terms, she's forty.

778
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: How much of that can be the centerpiece of your

779
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: product going forward?

780
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: I guess that's what I'm trying to say. It's like,

781
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 3: you're not sure, you can't identify what the essential ingredient

782
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 3: of this was, And I think that that's what kind

783
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 3: of is weird about it, right, Like you're just like

784
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 3: what am I supposed to be getting from? It's understandable

785
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 3: when do May or whatever is fighting in Paris, like

786
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 3: you can understand that, you get what they're doing, But

787
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 3: on something like this for the kickoff of the season,

788
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: I want I don't know. I just like I was

789
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: wanted something different or more, I don't know, something distinguishing.

790
00:34:58,640 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 4: I don't know.

791
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: I want to be able to its. Like again, if

792
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 1: I'm watching four ounce muy Thai, Yeah, and I know

793
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: Muyti enthusiasts hate it, but can you tell me it's

794
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: a different product? Yes, it's a clearly different product. It's

795
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: a and by the way, not just a different one,

796
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: a dynamic product. Have you gone to Muytai Ivans. They're fun.

797
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: I've gone to I've gone to regional Muytians. I've not

798
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: gone to anything of greatest CM.

799
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: They're fun.

800
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: And teammates who thought in like you know, church parking

801
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: lots of shit like yes, yeah, but so so there

802
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: was that. So let me just say this, Ariajjuane has

803
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: noted correctly. The UFC is doing a third of their

804
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: shows in the Apex, right And you can like that

805
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: or you can hate that, but it's a fact one

806
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: thing that is happening very interestingly. And you know, I

807
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: know the PFL is trying to throw this needle at

808
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: least a little bit. I just wanted to bring it

809
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: up on air. Where would you say is all of

810
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: the most exciting growth that's currently happening in m m

811
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: A For me, Chuck, I'm gonna say Europe. Now you

812
00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: can point to Asia as well, different parts of the Singapore.

813
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: China has enormous potential. But right now Octagon is going

814
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: to do fifty five thousand, and Frankfurt KSW is doing

815
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: stadium shows. We saw what the PFL could do, by

816
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: the way, at the Core Arena when they bring their

817
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: product there where they have their phenomenal friends.

818
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 4: Look at the reception.

819
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 1: He's getting this blowing up in Spain. They want to

820
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: put that motherfucker at the Santiago Burnham Bays, which is

821
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: like which is like they could, which is they could,

822
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 1: which is a cathedral to sports in ways that you've

823
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: been there, you've been over. I've been to Madrid. I've

824
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: actually never been to the I've actually been to Camp New.

825
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: Look at me Barsla fans, which is a fucking dump.

826
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: Here we go, It's a fucking dump. I've actually been there.

827
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: I intentionally poked the bear. I just knew you're gonna

828
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: throw So yeah, it's like the Murder Bay is like this. Noo,

829
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: they're refurbishing now the Camp New which is where Barcela plays.

830
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: But when I went ship Box, anyway one I want

831
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: to make was obviously PFL can't just oh, we're just

832
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: gonna pull our shows in Europe. They can't do that.

833
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: But when I'm watching your ship if it just looks

834
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: like the Apex but sadder, yes, what the fuck is

835
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: the point of watching.

836
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: It's also yeah, and the early bel tours where they

837
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 3: were like going to mull Vain and Thackerville. Remember there's

838
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: like there were going all these like places and I'm

839
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: not saying that, but it had a feel like that

840
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: more than anything. I was like, it just felt like

841
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 3: one of these like we're gonna drop into you know,

842
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: Poe dunk and and throw.

843
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know, what's the point of being

844
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: in San Antoino If you can't if you can't pull

845
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: in San Antonio, what's the point in being you know,

846
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: all of these arbitrary It's just it just whereas when

847
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: they go to France, kaboom, when they go to j

848
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: Ka boom, you know, the France thing is really it.

849
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: I mean, you're right, and you're just surrendering a third

850
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: of their calendar. Go take advantage of that, you know

851
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: what I mean? Take note. So I'm just saying, like

852
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: the UFC is literally like we're gonna park our asses

853
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: in these seats for a third of our events. That's

854
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: your fucking window.

855
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 4: You like the Apex events, I think I don't have

856
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 4: nearly as much.

857
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: So a lot of people hate the Apex atmosphere because

858
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: it's dull and bland, And I don't mind that as

859
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: much if the fights are good, Like during the pandemic,

860
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: you didn't get an all, you didn't you didn't have

861
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: like the buzz, but they were putting on super relevant

862
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 1: fights there. So what people don't understand is like, for example,

863
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: they had this rosnam a Unis card versus who she

864
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: even fought. Now, Amanda Hebe was totally forgetful, Like these

865
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: things happen in an instant and then they just evaporate

866
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: into the ether like they have no staying power at all.

867
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: You're sitting there debating talking about Brendan Allen's fight at

868
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 3: all because it's Monday, and you're like, well, that's a

869
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 3: full thirty seven hours after it's happened.

870
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody cares that it's a relevant fighter. It's

871
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: like two ranked guys, you know what I mean, It's

872
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: two ranked guys, good fighters too. The one I'm trying

873
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: to make is I what they've done is they're stacking

874
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: these pay per views and they're creating scarcity by not

875
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 1: going on the road. I get the I get the

876
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: business plan for the Ultimate Fighting Championship, But what I'm

877
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: saying is when they go these apex they're just it

878
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: feels like, hey, who do we have on the roster

879
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: that's not good enough for a pay per view? And

880
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: who do we have on the roster that's not good

881
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: enough for even a fight night on the run. Right,

882
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: Let's put the majority of those people there. We'll put

883
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: like a decent, ish, relevant ish main event time to

884
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: time at the top, and then it's just overflow. It's

885
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: all UFC roster overflow, that's right. It's so it's the

886
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: combo of the dull atmosphere with that. But I don't

887
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: mind the dull atmosphere personal no, no, no part of

888
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: you like so.

889
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: And I mean this could be just me, but it's

890
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: more of the association to why they were in the

891
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: get the apex to begin with. It was like, hey,

892
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 3: we're gonna we're gonna keep going. You know, this pandemic

893
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: is going to slow everybody, but not us.

894
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: We're going in an apex.

895
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 4: We're gonna be you know, blah blah blah.

896
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: They do that. But now we're so well out of it.

897
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 4: Everybody else is live.

898
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: Doing these things, and yet the UFC is still in.

899
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 3: This apex, and there's just this weird association it's almost

900
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 3: like a paradox at this point. The fact that they're

901
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 3: hovering or lingering in the apex doing shows it's almost

902
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 3: absurd in a weird way. I get the money making aspect.

903
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: Every time it's ever brought up, people are like, well,

904
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: they make they fill their obligation, they make money. I'm like, well,

905
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: of course I know why they're doing it, but it

906
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: has such a weird connotation or like a negative something

907
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 3: to it because it was complicated, right, because because of

908
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 3: the whole pandemic, because of all of that, that whole period,

909
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: and yet they're still showing up in there. It's just

910
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 3: a I think for me, that's like it's more like

911
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: the optics of that. Or you're like, guys, you know,

912
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: you're the ones who are like accepting in all the

913
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: pats on the back for being a pioneer and keeping

914
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: things going, and yet you're still in there now everybody else.

915
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: Also, the apex is like the most non Vegas. Uh,

916
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: It's the most non Vegas thing about the UFC. So,

917
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: for example, I was there when Caleb Plant fought David

918
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: been A Vedez. Yeah, oh, I thought you meant the apex.

919
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: I was like, that was no no, no, no in Vegas

920
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: at that time, and so they were fighting. I believe

921
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:47,959
Speaker 1: at MGM. There was NCAA tournament at the time going

922
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: on at t Mobile. Uh, Taylor Swift was doing back

923
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: to back events at the Allegiance Stadium. Thomas and Mack

924
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: had games, you know what I mean. Like Vegas is

925
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: all about being seen. Vegas is all about and they're

926
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: doing the exact opposite with that by just staying at home.

927
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: And my thought is, Okay, if you want to stay

928
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: at home because it's cheap, you can drive scarcity blah

929
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: blah blah, you can get you can get tourism boards

930
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: to give you tons of money to go there. Fine,

931
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: can we get some people in the audience? Can you

932
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 1: build some bleachers? I mean, it just seems like a

933
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: little string in there. A couple of times I've been

934
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: in the apex, I've never been in the I've been

935
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: in the media room to the SAI been in the

936
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: actual fight.

937
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 3: I mean, and I've been to a couple of events

938
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: like just being out there and I was like, I

939
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,959
Speaker 3: gotta go check this out. And I mean I've talked

940
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: about this quite a bit. I Mean, it's it's a

941
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 3: chandelier affair in a weird way. It's they're usually afternoons

942
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: out there, so it has a very strange feel. A

943
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,720
Speaker 3: lot of people are there just to kind of carouse

944
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 3: in the VIP area where they have like a Howler

945
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: head set up and like swag and all this. A

946
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: lot of the managers and agents those types and periphery

947
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: they're back there kind of just getting their their drink on,

948
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: and it's just a bizarre atmosphere. Man, It's just it's strange.

949
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 3: At least they're going to like now funnel in people's family.

950
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 3: You saw this whole thing where they get some tickets

951
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: they're gonna they're going to us He's giving each fighter

952
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 3: like four tickets for their family and then they ushered

953
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 3: them out when the fight is done. Essentially, I did

954
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 3: see that. Yeah, that won't help anything. I'm just bringing

955
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 3: it up as like a good faith from them. But

956
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 3: at the same time.

957
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: One more time, if you don't vote to unionize, yeah

958
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: this is what you're gonna get. Yeah, so welcome to

959
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: the thing you have voted. I like this, This.

960
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: Is gonna this is gonna be a fun era for me.

961
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 3: I think like dealing with this. Luke Thomas, who's like

962
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 3: fucking throwing his hands up like I'm done.

963
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 4: I'm not literal. You guys can't help yourself, so I'm

964
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 4: not hoping.

965
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: I knowd I've seen people be like, well, the fighters

966
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: are afraid to speak up and say, Guys, I've been

967
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: speaking up for over a fucking decade. Be braver.

968
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: Let's be brush off. Luke Thomas is pissed and make it.

969
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: Luke Thomas is indifferent.

970
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: So that's how I would say about most things. Look,

971
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: how do you feel about the Kendrick and Jacob Cole?

972
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. I'm a forty four year

973
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: old whit guy who gives a ship. All right, with

974
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: that out of the way, Chuck, Let's see what the

975
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: fans have to say, the viewers, the listeners. Let's do

976
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: some DM from all right, cool, all right, I haven't

977
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: seen these. Let's see how good the producers didn't picking

978
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,480
Speaker 1: the questions. Let's to throw them up here if we can.

979
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: All right, from j Murph Triple seven. Do you guys

980
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: think Sean Strickland should be the one rematching DDP? A

981
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: good question. I thought Strickland versus Whitaker would have been

982
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: a superb fight to make is he could have then

983
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: fought Chimaya or gotten the shot against Dricis even though

984
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: he lost to Sean. What do you think, Chuck oh Man,

985
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,320
Speaker 1: I was one of those people.

986
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 3: I guess I'm still of this belief, Like the ddp

987
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 3: Izy fight, I feel like you've kind of got the

988
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: perfect situation to do it, and so I don't have

989
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: a problem with it. But I think it's crazy that

990
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 3: Sean's cult status like it holds. Like we're talking about

991
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 3: how fast things dissipate. His cult status built up out

992
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: of nowhere in a strange way, in an endearing way,

993
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 3: and then and now it's it endures like you copass it,

994
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: and people keep talking about this. I've had this question

995
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 3: or some variation of this question quite a bit. Like

996
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 3: the Sean Strickland fan base is pretty strong at this point,

997
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 3: isn't it Like it's it's a crazy turn of events.

998
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: Yes, I would feel very calm, Yeah, very progressive. But no,

999
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: in all seriousness, yes they have. They have ballooned in

1000
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: size very quickly. I mean he's in a good position.

1001
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: I mean my view is this when I watched it

1002
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: in real time, the STRICKLANDDP fight, I thought DDP one

1003
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 1: in real time, I went back and I looked at

1004
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,399
Speaker 1: it afterwards, I thought, Sean one.

1005
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 4: When I yeah, yeah, now you make me want to

1006
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 4: go watch it again, I have to tell you.

1007
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: I tell you what. When I watch it again, I'm like, dude,

1008
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: there's a this is the So this was the basic

1009
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: insight that I had about Sean Strickland. If you watch

1010
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 1: his retreats, he'll cross step so either cross step this

1011
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: way or like this, and what ends up happening is

1012
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: he'll put his head much further back than his hips.

1013
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: That allows him enormous ability to not be hit and

1014
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: to retreat. It doesn't allow him counter striking opportunities. Contrast

1015
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: that with a guy like, for example, Iliot Tuporia. He

1016
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: will or Sean O'Malley, they'll take a couple of steps

1017
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 1: back and roll underneath at an angle right, but then

1018
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: reset immediately for any kind of follow He doesn't do that,

1019
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: and as a consequence, there ends up being about a

1020
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: similar amount of offense in either direction. But what you

1021
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: don't realize is all that traffic and all that leaning

1022
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: he does, Dude, it blocks a lot. I know we

1023
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: say that's true. I know we say that but when

1024
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: you watch it on tape even more than you think

1025
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: so like does when Strickland's like, dude, I have a

1026
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: case for a rematch. He's right, he is right. The

1027
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: problem is one, I don't know how much the UFC

1028
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: loves the headlines that he generates. And I know everyone says, oh,

1029
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: I know, everyone says, oh, you know, the UFC is

1030
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: all right wing, and he's right wing. They love it.

1031
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: I have some reason to believe that's not totally true.

1032
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,959
Speaker 1: I do too, Okay, And the other part is, Dude,

1033
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 1: here's the part. Sean Strickland is, whatever else you want

1034
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: to say about him, he is a very elite talent.

1035
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: He has really matured into something very very special. His

1036
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: defense is super interesting. I actually love watching his defense.

1037
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: But if you're trying to make the most exciting fights,

1038
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's at the top of your list.

1039
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a You brought up so many good things,

1040
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: but I will say this about Sean Strickland. I was

1041
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 3: of the belief and I think you've talked about this too,

1042
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 3: like kind of his mental his mental space, like what

1043
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 3: he occupies him, being kind of traumatized as a child,

1044
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 3: those types of things I really believed him going into

1045
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: that DDP fight that that would show up in a

1046
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: weird way, that he would not be up to the

1047
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 3: test because he wouldn't feel he deserves in some level

1048
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: like God. So there are some people can never get

1049
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: over themselves to believe that they earned great, that they

1050
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 3: should be great. You know, they can't get over there.

1051
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: And I thought that he put that away like in

1052
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 3: a way that I am really I thought was very admirable.

1053
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 3: It's just kind of like the subtext of a fight.

1054
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: But I'm like, to me, it was like I didn't

1055
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: feel like that was in evidence at all. Like to me, like,

1056
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 3: maybe it's good good coaching. Obviously, we know he's very

1057
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: well connected with his team and all that stuff. Maybe

1058
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: all that played in, but he's much more strong mentally,

1059
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,879
Speaker 3: and I'm you know than I would have given him

1060
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 3: credit for in that fight. So if you think he won,

1061
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: I mean honestly, And I think it's one of the

1062
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 3: those things too, where he's in great position.

1063
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 4: This fan base is strong. It'll be interesting to see

1064
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 4: what happens.

1065
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:06,400
Speaker 3: I'm okay with the way they're doing it, but I

1066
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: I would have been okay honestly if they went that direction.

1067
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: In the end, I'll say this, you know again, some

1068
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: people love them, some people hate him. My one true

1069
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 1: north star in the game is, dude. Professional fistfighting is very,

1070
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: very difficult to do. It doesn't matter what you think

1071
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: of the guy. You have to in your mind kind

1072
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 1: of hope for the most equitable outcome. I felt like

1073
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: Sean should have retained this title. I do beliink all right.

1074
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: Question number two from Focused expansion, you know this guy's

1075
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: on drugs twenty four seven? Whatever happened to the big

1076
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: James Krause gambling scandal? Another great question? Have there been

1077
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: any arrest? Did it die on the vine? What in

1078
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: the world is going on with it? And where did

1079
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: the story go? Do you see thomma stories? Got a dude,

1080
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: I haven't slept well in a year. I've had so

1081
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 1: many career stresses. And then James Krauss gets online today

1082
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, I'm five million in debt and not world.

1083
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, Jays, like, you should be five million in debt.

1084
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: If you're smart like me, you would all do this.

1085
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: And I was like, he is right that the rich

1086
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: used doors very effectively. At the same time, if I

1087
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: had five million in debt. That's probably not what you

1088
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: should be saying, though, when you don't know how happy

1089
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: I be. What do you think, Joe, what's going on

1090
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: with the James Cross betting scandal? I'm not sure.

1091
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: And it's it's funny because again, this is something that

1092
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 3: has there have been a couple of people who are like,

1093
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 3: what happened to the dude?

1094
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 4: You know, like who was in trouble for this?

1095
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 3: And it is kind of crazy to me that obviously

1096
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 3: he's not like he's not around the fight game right now,

1097
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 3: right like in terms of I haven't seen him at

1098
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 3: events and stuff.

1099
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: Is he's I'm guessing his ban from the UFC or whatever.

1100
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think any kind of association like he

1101
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: can't it's not allow you allowed to train there.

1102
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 3: You think about the timing of what he did. We

1103
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 3: we are with draft kings right now. The gambling expansion

1104
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 3: right like, the gambling of everything that's going on is

1105
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 3: such a boom and it's it's become like this liberated

1106
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: idea of gambling in general, like a sports gambling as

1107
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 3: being that the ahead of that. It's an awesome time

1108
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: and a weird way to be a sports fan. But

1109
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 3: where his country. Is the direct wrong timing for a

1110
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 3: guy like that to show up and to have this

1111
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 3: kind of controversy where what was it in Ontario or something?

1112
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: Remember they were shutting down like it was a one

1113
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: Canadian province. Yeah, yeah, I mean just it's a crazy

1114
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: bit of it too.

1115
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: My point is like it is a little nutty that

1116
00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 3: a story that big or potentially big kind of goes away.

1117
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: It just kind of goes away and he shows up,

1118
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 3: and I feel like our fan base is just like

1119
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 3: an etch of sketch.

1120
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: It's just whatever.

1121
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 3: Like these most people are like, oh, you know, they'll

1122
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 3: argue people whatever they've done. They'll just they'll argue that

1123
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: they're fine, they're in the right, whatever, as if it

1124
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 3: never happened. It's a very strange.

1125
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if other fan bases and other sports

1126
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: are quite as euch of sketchy as ours, like where

1127
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 1: they're just.

1128
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 3: Like they they some people remember, but most people are

1129
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 3: just like what, I don't, you know, yeah, what's wrong

1130
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:51,720
Speaker 3: with James Krous?

1131
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: You know? My guess is that there might be still

1132
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: some investigation the way on that could be because I

1133
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: think that they would probably if the if the investigation

1134
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: were closed they might just close that to the public.

1135
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: That's true, but it is a weird one. Yeah, it

1136
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: is a weird one, all right. Question number three, So

1137
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,479
Speaker 1: what we got, hey, Tito Curtis, what do we do

1138
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: with this information? Haney Garcia they fought six times as amateurs,

1139
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: splitting the series at three wins apiece. Of course they

1140
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 1: were much younger, and pro boxing is vastly different than

1141
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: the amateur game. But I can't shake that stat. Well,

1142
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: here's a better stat. If I could be wrong about this,

1143
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: I believe this is right. It was Haney who won

1144
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: the last three. Yeah, guys, I can't believe there's any

1145
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: debate about this. Devin Haney is going to tune Ryan

1146
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: Garcia up like a fucking guitar. That's April twenty, that's

1147
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 1: the week after UFC three hundred. OK. So this was like,

1148
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: it's really interesting. We were on the verge of having

1149
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: UFC three hundred the antitrust trial on the following Monday,

1150
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: and then and then Hainey Garcia here in New York

1151
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: on the following Saturday, the twenty at Barclays, which, by

1152
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,319
Speaker 1: the way, tickets apparently aren't selling all that great for

1153
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: that one, which is kind of surprising, but yeah, be

1154
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: here nor there.

1155
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 3: They've they've diminished Garcia too much, like they're like, heah,

1156
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 3: no shot, just like you're about to do right now.

1157
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: Dude, Garcia is good. He's very good. I'm gonna give

1158
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: a shout out to one of my favorite boxing channels.

1159
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,480
Speaker 1: They produce so much content that I've watched probably maybe

1160
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: one percent of it. Yeah, but every time I do,

1161
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: I get something out of it. Boxing Gems. You ever

1162
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: heard of boxing gyms? Boxing Gems is a YouTube channel.

1163
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: They do nothing but boxing breakdowns, and they get to

1164
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: the real meat and potatoes of why stuff works, why

1165
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 1: it does it, what's important, what's valuable. They're not high

1166
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 1: on Garcia's chance. Let me just be very clear, but

1167
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: due Devin Haney has managed his career with his father, Yeah, expertly.

1168
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: I've douted them along the way. They have done a

1169
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: phenomenal job. I do not know. Even if you had

1170
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: a dispute about whether he beat Limachenko, how can you

1171
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: watch that fight and think Garcia is gonna get that guy?

1172
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: Please be fucking saying you read into the mental Like

1173
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 3: I saw a BC did a nice piece for CBS.

1174
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 3: It was basically like again, the red flash might even

1175
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 3: be happening. Yeah, And I mean you got to take

1176
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 3: that into consideration.

1177
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1178
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 3: It's just like everything you get into fight week, you

1179
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 3: kind of you're like you try to read the tea

1180
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 3: leaves a little bit like who's doing what? Where are

1181
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 3: these guys mentally, how they look physically, all that stuff.

1182
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 3: But there's some weird things going on with Ryan Garcia. Man,

1183
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 3: weird stuff for a young guy like that, and it's

1184
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 3: always alarm.

1185
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 1: I don't know the situation enough to speak on any

1186
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: kind of intelligent way, but when someone is like that

1187
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: vermost talking all the time and it's disjointed and it's

1188
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 1: and it weaves in and out of God, dude, that's like, yeah,

1189
00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: it's like there's a manic episode. I know.

1190
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. I feel like we've seen things

1191
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: like this and it's never good.

1192
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 4: Let's put it that way.

1193
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: People were killing Devin Haney because he's Muslim and he's

1194
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: not fasting during Ramadan, and you know, not my call.

1195
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: It's yeah, each individual practitioners of Islam's choice to either

1196
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: fast or not. But the point I want to make was,

1197
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: like Ryan Garcia is like guys, I only do weed,

1198
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: weed and booze. And he's over here being like the

1199
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: occasional bump yeah yeah, And then Hanni's like, yeah, all

1200
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: I do is water and train. I cannot believe people.

1201
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,359
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously Garcia is fast, he's powerful, He's got

1202
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 1: some ability. You know, it might take some time for

1203
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: Hani to win, right, I would be shot if Haney

1204
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: doesn't win. Shot, You're gonna be there in naple Towny

1205
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: the Barclays. I don't think so. I don't think so.

1206
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: I mean partly it's like, you know, I want to

1207
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: make money from the event on YouTube, but I don't

1208
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: know if I want to like sanction it by going

1209
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: I just want.

1210
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: To be hypocritical. It's the same thing with UC three hundred.

1211
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 3: He's not gonna be bothered to go.

1212
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, here we go. I think we got

1213
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 1: two more. Here we go from empty Booble. If you

1214
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: could replace any role in a movie with Nick Cage, Jesus,

1215
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: what would you pick? Nick Cage? Uh? Chew Baca. I

1216
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: don't fucking know. I want less Nick Cage. I don't

1217
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: want more. I know, Well, did you see what was

1218
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: the movie he made was called Like Mandy, which was

1219
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: like the horror movie. Yeah, it was really good. Actually, yeah,

1220
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: but dude, like, you're how old are you? I'm up there? Yeah,

1221
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 1: roughly similar to me. We grew up in the nineties

1222
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: with Nick Cage being in con Air. I was in

1223
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: high school when that came out.

1224
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 4: It was iconic.

1225
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: Same face off face. It's like if you missed that.

1226
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: Even what was the Coen Brothers movie he was in?

1227
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: He did it one of those fucking things. It's like,

1228
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: you know I'm talking about, yes I do. It's like, dude,

1229
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: I got my fill of Nick Cage. I I didn't

1230
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: feel right Raising Arizona. He was in Raising Arizona. He

1231
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: wasn't a bunch of shit. But like Leaving Las Vegas,

1232
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: which which he with Shoe, Yeah, he penomen He killed

1233
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: that movie where he was just a drunk and he

1234
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 1: drink himself.

1235
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: And now I can't watch it again. I watched it

1236
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: one time back and then I was like, I can't

1237
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 3: watch that.

1238
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: Dude.

1239
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: I hadn't.

1240
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: I had I had a dark I had a kid,

1241
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: and it's hard for me to watch any anything that's

1242
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: not comical trauma, you know what I mean. I can

1243
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: watch I can watch like The Gore. Yeah, that was

1244
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: like like where kids get like, you know, hurting movies.

1245
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: I can't watch it and stuff like that. It it

1246
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: really has affected me. I'm getting soft bitch, all right.

1247
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 1: Last one from Custom Props one, what fight or fighter

1248
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: will steal the show? And you see your head to

1249
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 1: right chuck, perfect perfect segue. What do you think man

1250
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 1: steal the show? I'm gonna say Jim Miller. Let's say

1251
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: Jim Miller.

1252
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,240
Speaker 3: I think he's got a good dance partner with Bobby

1253
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 3: Green and also man just given that he was on

1254
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,800
Speaker 3: all the you know, one hundred, two hundred, three hundred,

1255
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 3: he's a feel good story. I think he has the

1256
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: potential to do it.

1257
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,760
Speaker 1: I just feel like, here's the thing that I remember

1258
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: from UFC two hundred, because one hundred was a great car,

1259
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: but it wasn't like insanely static. It was just good. Yes,

1260
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: Top three was great, but not like two hundred. YEA,

1261
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,560
Speaker 1: two hundred and three hundred are more like than one

1262
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:28,479
Speaker 1: hundred two hundred. Even though Brock was I was looking

1263
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: at that recently. What I was gonna say was the

1264
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: problem with two hundred ended up being that there was

1265
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: so much on the pre limbs that people just forgot

1266
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: about it, I know, you know what I mean, And

1267
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 1: these were like good like TJ. Dillashaw fought at UFC

1268
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: two hundred. People don't really remember that. So I feel

1269
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: like that's a good point. I feel like Jim and

1270
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,880
Speaker 1: he's way really I think he's like the second fight,

1271
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: you're right, You're right. So I just feel like it's

1272
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: gonna be hard. I'm gonna say it's gonna be the

1273
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: winner up and this is an obvious one that it's

1274
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: not like me going out in some fucking limb. It's

1275
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: gonna be the winner of GATESI your holloway, it's one

1276
00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: of them that has the potential to be I mean,

1277
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Speaker 1: if they made that fight to the death, it would

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Speaker 1: be marginally different than what it is now, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. That is a great point, Like they're

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Speaker 1: gonna fucking get very close to killing each other. I

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Speaker 1: I uh, it's I'm not. I mean, I'm obviously doing

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Speaker 1: a bit of a bit, but like, but the violent

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Speaker 4: There's so much about it that's just such.

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Speaker 3: It's like buzz saws coming in because justin Gitch, I

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Speaker 3: is like nine into the Into the Night bonuses and like.

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Speaker 1: Something, and so you know he gets the spot.

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Speaker 4: His duty is to go put on a show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he wants to win, but he wants to go

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Speaker 3: do what you're talking about, right, he wants to go

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Speaker 3: put on that show. So you're right, I think that

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Speaker 3: that's probably the slam dunk if i'm if I'm being honest, like,

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Speaker 3: that's a really good fight. It's actually one of those

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Speaker 3: fights where you're almost like the other way. You know

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Speaker 3: these guys long enough and you're almost like, ah, don't

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Speaker 3: kill each other too much, don't take pieces of each

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Speaker 3: other too much, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Oh No, they're gonna be different after this one. They're

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Speaker 2: That's great to hear from you. McDonald's Wi fi notwithstanding,

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Speaker 2: you know what's really interesting about Florida is that nothing

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Speaker 2: the TVs, every single channel is on Fox News. It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Did you walk into that BUCkies and go Caesar Is Home?

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Speaker 1: Did you do that? More or less?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they don't just have a deli counter. They

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Speaker 2: have a beef jerky deli counter. It's just what I

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Speaker 2: can hand.

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Speaker 3: This is that place that length people. It's like almost

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Speaker 3: a cult stop right, Like it's a huge place.

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Speaker 1: Of stucky. Okay, got it all right, BC, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: what's up? What are you going to say?

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, I was going to ask

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00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 5: you outright if if you wanted to talk about Cody

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00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 5: finishing the story at Maino or Caitlin Clark get it

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00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 5: not getting it done for the second year in a row.

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Speaker 2: Is that with the top start today?

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Speaker 1: So I did watch the Caitlin Clark game. Don Staley,

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01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: Don Staley three seasons, two national titles. I think the

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Speaker 1: record is one hundred and nine and three year. She

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01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: runs a fucking machine out of South Carolina. The WrestleMania

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Speaker 1: story again. To borrow the words of Patton and Oswald,

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Speaker 1: I'd rather get fucked to death by Nate Dick Walris

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Speaker 1: than to watch that. How was it? How was it?

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Speaker 2: I didn't watch it, but that's all right. I was

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Speaker 2: wondering if that ce On Chuck's hat was for Yukon

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01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: making the final game or Connor lingis like like he

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Speaker 2: originally told me. But the answer is yes, it's yours choice.

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Speaker 1: Okay, No, you sound like you're you sound like you're

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Speaker 1: in the crapper with the audio bouncing off the walls.

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Speaker 1: But it is what it is, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the Lincoln Tunnel right now. We will

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Speaker 2: be all right, though, ic BC.

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Speaker 1: I asked Chuck this question. We'll get it started here

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Speaker 1: with you level of enthusiasm for UFC three hundred, what

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Speaker 1: would you say?

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Speaker 2: Strong? Very strong? And I did compare the cards of

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Speaker 2: one hundred, two hundred and three hundred, like you guys

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Speaker 2: were talking about earlier in terms of the depth, and

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Speaker 2: even though two hundred was grossly deep and still succeeded

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Speaker 2: in my mind despite losing so many big fights from

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Speaker 2: Connor Nate too at first and then obviously DC John two.

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Speaker 2: But man for not having the main event we necessarily wanted.

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Speaker 2: Three hundred is loaded. It's going to be fantastic, hopefully

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Speaker 2: for one night. It'll make us forget not only my

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Speaker 2: echoing audio in here, but also you know, this current

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Speaker 2: apex reality that we're going through, which kind of blows.

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Speaker 2: And you know, also all those old fighters probably could

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Speaker 2: have changed the sport, but they took the short term

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Speaker 2: money too, So we can put all that crap aside

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Speaker 2: loop along with the debates of how smart is that

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Speaker 2: cage actually right? I mean, you know, in terms of

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Speaker 2: the PFL, let's focus on what matters here. Three hundred

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Speaker 2: rules and I'm about a nine and a half out

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Speaker 2: of ten in terms of explosively ready, but I've also

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Speaker 2: eaten decently bad yesterday. So the explosive part is is

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Speaker 2: you know, multi dimensional?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fair enough, Okay, let's start with the main event.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go on down the car, Chuck, I'll start

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Speaker 1: with you here. You know what's interesting In some ways,

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Speaker 1: Alex Padata has already achieved everything he could possibly hope right,

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Speaker 1: Champion in UFC two h five, champion in UFC headlining

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Speaker 1: this car. Obviously his background of kickboxing as decorated as

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Speaker 1: they come. In certain cases. Here he is fighting Jamal Hill.

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Speaker 1: It's an important fight, it's a relevant fight, it's a

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Speaker 1: UFC three hundred. Obviously, if he loses, it would be

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Speaker 1: bad for him, it would be great for Jamal. I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying that there are no stakes. There are significant ones,

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01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 1: but it just feels to me like everything that could

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Speaker 1: have mattered for Alex Padeda, Like if he lost here,

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Speaker 1: would people really dock him. I'm not sure that they would.

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Speaker 3: He's kind of again as one of those guys who's

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Speaker 3: ascended very fat.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny.

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Speaker 3: Today's April eighth were on Monday taping this and it

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Speaker 3: was one year ago today that he lost his middleweight

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Speaker 3: title against Izziada Sanya at Madison Square Garden one year ago.

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Speaker 3: That time, he has not only overcome the loss, he's

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Speaker 3: went up like reinvented himself at two zero five, beat

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Speaker 3: the guy that is he couldn't beat in Bloovich, then

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Speaker 3: beats Yeerie to win the vacant towle. Now comes around

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Speaker 3: to Jamal Hill, so with a with a within a

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Speaker 3: year's time, one year, he's able to put himself at

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Speaker 3: UFC three hundred. It's an insane story. The fact that

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Speaker 3: the thing I love about it it's a guy. Right,

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Speaker 3: He's going up against Jamal Hill who beat down his

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Speaker 3: mentor and friend Glover to Chera. Like he's going up

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Speaker 3: against a guy who broke a record of plus I

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Speaker 3: think it was one fifty seven or something like that,

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Speaker 3: and the strike significant strike differential for five rounds battered him.

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Speaker 3: So you have like these elements to this fight that

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Speaker 3: are a lot of fun. Now is a UFC three hundred?

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Speaker 3: Was it going to be the caliber that people are

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Speaker 3: looking for? Maybe not, but I do think it's a

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Speaker 3: fascinating thing, especially from Alics Padetta. He could blow up

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Speaker 3: in bigger and crazier ways headlining this one right and

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Speaker 3: becoming that guy who basically has turned it around and

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Speaker 3: now has just about anything on the table. That would

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Speaker 3: be a huge fight. I just think that for him

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Speaker 3: the stakes are weird, but for him specifically, if he wins,

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Speaker 3: I think it blows up for him.

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Speaker 1: See.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is all about Alex Perreta. And

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Speaker 2: there's no disrespect to Jamal Hill, who certainly didn't luck

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Speaker 2: into the title, but there were circumstances that fell into

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Speaker 2: his favor of the anklelaya of draw that opened up

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Speaker 2: the opportunity, and of course he gave it to Glover

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Speaker 2: and a very all action, gruesome affair. Yes, you have

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Speaker 2: sort of that Ali Fraser one vibe of the old

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Speaker 2: champion who never lost his belt coming back to beat

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Speaker 2: the current one. Right. We saw that obviously in HABII

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Speaker 2: versus Connor in the same way. But it's really like

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Speaker 2: Chuck was saying, it's about Predata and what he has

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Speaker 2: done in such a short time. Here's an interesting stat

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Speaker 2: that I think I've figured out. You can tell you

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Speaker 2: that the real Dungks can tell me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 2: Padata has an opportunity in this fight to win against

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Speaker 2: a former or current UFC champion in his fifth consecutive fight. Yes,

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Speaker 2: he has that loss in between, ottisigh, so it's not

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Speaker 2: a perfect streak, but this has a chance to be

1457
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Speaker 2: five consecutive wins over current or former UFC champions. The

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Speaker 2: only one under my research who's been able to equal

1459
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Speaker 2: that is John Jones beginning with Shogun Hua and the

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Speaker 2: first five fights of his title reign, and the only

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Speaker 2: female is the great Amanda Newnists who, if this is

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Speaker 2: a real record, would have eight consecutive. But to be fair,

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Speaker 2: that streak only became a streak when Rocky Pennington just

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Speaker 2: recently won the vacant women's bandam Way title in a

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Speaker 2: fight that we were, you know, kind of complaining no

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Speaker 2: disrespect to Raquel about the quality and whether that should

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Speaker 2: have even bet a title fight. Still, that speaks to

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Speaker 2: what legends do that's John Jones and Amanda Newnis that

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Speaker 2: you're putting yourself in there, and if there is a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a gap right now in terms of

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Speaker 2: true individual UFC star power, then padata He's He's win

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Speaker 2: here puts him one step closer to really cracking that open.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we still have some aging brands. We still

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Speaker 2: have guys in the way up obviously to Poria. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how Chuck was able to fit in

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Speaker 2: that studio with the size of Lukes Bonair after Tapori

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Speaker 2: opposed with Messi there. But I really think if you

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Speaker 2: look at it, seven fights into his career, two division champion,

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Speaker 2: and now if he goes out there and beats a

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Speaker 2: very capable and dangerous former champion who never lost the belt, guys,

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Speaker 2: we are looking at seriously a all time great, not

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Speaker 2: just in this sport, but in combat sports in general.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if anybody outside of maybe Holly Holme,

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Speaker 2: who's also on this card, would have a comparable all

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Speaker 2: combat sports resume, and maybe Jamal Hill doesn't make him

1486
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 2: go from here to here, but it would be another

1487
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 2: addition on a guy who for eight fights, this will

1488
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:43,880
Speaker 2: be his eighth UFC fight, he's headlined pay per views

1489
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,960
Speaker 2: in Madison Square, Gardener and now three hundred we are

1490
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 2: watching in such a short term one of the greatest achievers.

1491
01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: I mean, really, this dwarfs what Henry Suhudo was able

1492
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,360
Speaker 2: to do in a short period in my mind, because

1493
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 2: you have to look at that quality of opposition and

1494
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 2: that Sean Strickland win just got better by the fact

1495
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: that he won the championship after that, and that was

1496
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 2: a close and competitive fight. When he came in here

1497
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 2: Alex Bredta, we were like, okay, wait till the wrestlers

1498
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 2: get a hold of him. The wrestlers got a hold

1499
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 2: of him, and he's still standing.

1500
01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:14,160
Speaker 3: There was a long time, real quick where it was

1501
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,120
Speaker 3: when he beat Isauel a signing he held the title

1502
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 3: at one eighty five that we would debate could he

1503
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 3: beat anybody else in the top five of the middleweight division,

1504
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 3: And most of us are like, nah, I don't know

1505
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,439
Speaker 3: if he could, Like because there was that question mark,

1506
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 3: could you know if somebody really was dedicated, doggedly going

1507
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: to wrestle him, could he withstand that? We didn't know,

1508
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,720
Speaker 3: And I think a lot of us were like maybe not.

1509
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, it's a crazy trajectory, like

1510
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,280
Speaker 3: to go from where he like, where he was perceptionally

1511
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 3: perception to where he's at now.

1512
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 1: You see, let me push back, but piggyback if I may,

1513
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: which is two things I think are actually up for

1514
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: grabs exactly, but two things are possible here with this

1515
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: fight one. Everything you said I agree with, but let

1516
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: me add something. There's a lot of moaning about the

1517
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 1: state of the heavyweight division and even the light heavyweight division.

1518
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: If Paeda goes in there, and Jamal will have to

1519
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: oblige him in some capacity. But if Paeda goes in

1520
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: there and has an incredible performance chuck and looks amazing,

1521
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: you know it's gonna be interesting because you know Trump

1522
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 1: is gonna at all likely going to be there, which

1523
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: is kind of weird because I actually don't think like

1524
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: no one is like, well, this party doesn't get started

1525
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: till the guy who's nearly fucking eighty gets here.

1526
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 4: He gets the biggest walk out of the night.

1527
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:24,800
Speaker 1: Well, I think they do it to trigger people who

1528
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: don't like Trump, but you neither here nor there. The

1529
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: one I'm trying to make is, dude, he will make

1530
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: light heavyweight not great again, per se, but fun again

1531
01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 1: where you're like, dude, maybe this division is not like

1532
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: the best, but that fucking guy at the top guarantee

1533
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: is gonna make this ship must watch. Also, I will

1534
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:45,040
Speaker 1: say this, Jamal Hill has his fair share of online detractors,

1535
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: but if he goes in there and polishes off Alex

1536
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: Paeda after beating Glover. You're talking about a guy who

1537
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: is was not given his due and would go in

1538
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,599
Speaker 1: there and fucking demand it.

1539
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 2: Either one of.

1540
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,400
Speaker 1: Those possibilities, B see are fucking great.

1541
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, And people also are sleeping on the one fact,

1542
01:09:03,800 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: the fact this is going to be an offensive shootout.

1543
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 2: There's no question about it. This is going to be

1544
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 2: a great fight. And while we've been looking for stability

1545
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 2: at light heavyweight in the post John Jones era, something

1546
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: we've never been able to find. What we have been

1547
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 2: able to find are certainly great stories from Yon Bloxhovitch

1548
01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,760
Speaker 2: going from sort of journeyman to champion Glover to Shia

1549
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: at his age. We've also had all action awesomeness. I mean,

1550
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: even Blahovich beating Dominic Reis. I mean it's been one

1551
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 2: banger after another. Nothing about this fight on paper doesn't

1552
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: scream absolute bang air like they're like just bung casting.

1553
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 1: Yes, but even.

1554
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 2: Because there's gonna be a lot going on, sure all

1555
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 2: you know, auditions on the couch, let's go. This fight

1556
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 2: also could provide that stability that we kind of like

1557
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 2: at times in a division, for one guy to be

1558
01:09:52,120 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 2: in charge and everybody running after him. I haven't loved

1559
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 2: that we've talked somewhat negatively or you know, dismissively about

1560
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,240
Speaker 2: this division because of how the title opportunities have bounced around.

1561
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 2: I mean that ankhalaiath draw really shot a hole in

1562
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 2: the balloon of momentum or emotion that we had and

1563
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 2: a love for this division. But to your point, not

1564
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 2: only could Padata return that or even Jamal Hill with

1565
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:16,679
Speaker 2: a big win? How about this? Like, I know Mallikin

1566
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: just became a three three division champion in major MMA

1567
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 2: with one but we could always sort of argue, like

1568
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 2: we did, should there be an asterisk because of how

1569
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 2: they do weight in the fact that he really weighed

1570
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 2: in at two oho five for a middleweight bout. I

1571
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 2: really think from a UFC standpoint, from a traditional way

1572
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,560
Speaker 2: of doing it, Padata might actually have the best do

1573
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: I just call him Patata?

1574
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you called.

1575
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 2: Potato might actually have the best chance to legitimately try this,

1576
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 2: legitimately try this, And I know this could have been

1577
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 2: him versus Aspital for the interim and I'm glad they

1578
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 2: didn't do it. But like he's gonna run quickly out

1579
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 2: of major light heavyweights to be it if he stays

1580
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 2: on this pace, maybe we end up seeing him become

1581
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 2: that first one in the UFC to attempt that couldn't

1582
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 2: happened to a guy that I respect more. I mean,

1583
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 2: the way that he rallied against Izzy, the way that

1584
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 2: he bounced back from the devastating knockout loss to Izzy.

1585
01:11:09,200 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 2: To this guy is a real one. And you know,

1586
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: I don't tend to know the insides of his relationship

1587
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,960
Speaker 2: with Merle and how that fell apart. He looks a

1588
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,520
Speaker 2: lot happier now, but this is her loss.

1589
01:11:20,120 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: You're fired. Get the fuck off, Chuck. What about the

1590
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,519
Speaker 1: Jamal Hills I was gonna say, everyone is focusing on

1591
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: the Alex side, which exactly to BC's point. There's so

1592
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,639
Speaker 1: many interesting elements about his story and how much he's

1593
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 1: packed into a short UFC run. I understand why the

1594
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: spotlight is on him. At the same time, forget about

1595
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: Jamal Hill fight with everyone on Twitter. Just put that

1596
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: aside for the moment. My concern is that he came

1597
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,639
Speaker 1: back from injury. I don't know, but his timeline seemed

1598
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,599
Speaker 1: to be expedited, right, His timeline seemed to be expedited

1599
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: to get here, So that does give me pause. However,

1600
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,519
Speaker 1: his story is comically overlooked, is it not. That's what

1601
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:57,559
Speaker 1: I was just about Trody.

1602
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,040
Speaker 3: I was just about to say this because he's a

1603
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 3: finisher like and he's been a killer since literally he's

1604
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 3: been I mean, he's been in this division, and I

1605
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 3: don't know why he doesn't get his due, to be honest.

1606
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 3: And it was crazy because I don't think it was

1607
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 3: Alex Peretta that people were mad about when they announced

1608
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 3: this main event. If they said it was Alex and Izzy,

1609
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: people would have been awesome with it. But it's just

1610
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 3: it's one of those things that somehow Jamal Hill doesn't

1611
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:22,839
Speaker 3: get across.

1612
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:23,679
Speaker 1: And I don't know.

1613
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 3: If this type of event, this is way bigger than

1614
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 3: he's ever had, obviously than all these guys. If he

1615
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 3: goes in there and he starches Alex peret especially at

1616
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:36,080
Speaker 3: his own game stand up, hits him at distance or something,

1617
01:12:36,120 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 3: because he can do that too, knocks him out. The

1618
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 3: best distance fighter probably in the division, if not the UFC.

1619
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 3: He's a kickboxer extraordinary. Ninety nine percent of his strikes

1620
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 3: are from distance. If he's able to do that and

1621
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 3: put him away, I wonder. I'm very curious to see

1622
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 3: does he get over in the same way we're talking

1623
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 3: about perev because you can see.

1624
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 1: It from Alex's side.

1625
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 3: Where does it put Jamal hill I don't know, like

1626
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 3: does that catapult him finally or is it? Does he

1627
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 3: just ub people the wrong way? It's some people just

1628
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 3: do that for whatever reason. They just don't get over

1629
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 3: in the bigger sense because they rub people the wrong way.

1630
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 1: You see why has it Jamal caught on with the fans.

1631
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,439
Speaker 2: Because I believe that they look at him as a

1632
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 2: little bit of a hot head in melcatent for how

1633
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:19,640
Speaker 2: he turned, not turn, but how he speaks up for

1634
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: himself and publicly defends himself for his own truth. We

1635
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,599
Speaker 2: may disagree at times with the you know what fighters

1636
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 2: are fighting for or fighting after, but I do respect

1637
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,000
Speaker 2: when guys are vocal and are willing to do that.

1638
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 2: He's very willing to do that. So if you get

1639
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 2: into arguments online with fans and there are I mean, look,

1640
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: Harold Hawani's pretty popular last time I check. So if

1641
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 2: you get into kind of a little bit of a

1642
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: war with him, and if people side with Ariel, you

1643
01:13:44,400 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 2: can suddenly be looked at as a villain. And also,

1644
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 2: don't miss this the injury happened apparently that you know,

1645
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,439
Speaker 2: that pulled him out of the title picture and forced

1646
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 2: him to vacate his belt in a basketball game. And

1647
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: I'm not going to sit here and say an active

1648
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,680
Speaker 2: UFC fighter shouldn't play basketball or ride a motorcycl or

1649
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,000
Speaker 2: do that. But I think fans looked at that as like, see,

1650
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 2: I'd ever liked that guy, and he just blew his

1651
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 2: big chance fooling around in a hoops game, And a

1652
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 2: lot of that is unfair. But I think when you

1653
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,160
Speaker 2: sort of are looked at as a malcotent, they brand

1654
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 2: you as a villain and until something changes, and a

1655
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 2: lot of times, by the way, things that change, those

1656
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 2: narratives happen inside the cage, right. I mean, if he

1657
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 2: goes out there and did what you teased and soundly,

1658
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 2: not even soundly, just defeated Pereira, regained his belt, put

1659
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 2: his lineage back in line, we would have so much

1660
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 2: additional respect for him. And I have a lot of

1661
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 2: respect for Jamal Hill. I think he is slept on

1662
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 2: and one of the one of the most underrated fighters

1663
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 2: in this sport, without question. But when you win the

1664
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 2: championship in sort of the back door fashion. People are

1665
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 2: always good people have that against that's the story.

1666
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: That's the story of your life. Winning the championship in

1667
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: backdoor fashion.

1668
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 2: Me and puff Eddy Puff Diddy, to be fair, but

1669
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:57,920
Speaker 2: that's probably another you know, I don't know if.

1670
01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 3: The puddy Chuck fifteen months he'll be if he will

1671
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,440
Speaker 3: have been out and what nine months from the injury.

1672
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 3: If he goes in there and does it and that

1673
01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,600
Speaker 3: doesn't earn him respect, you know, from the from the

1674
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 3: from the fan base at large, I don't know what would.

1675
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just that's a crazy thing, Like you

1676
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 3: were not even talking about kid Cage, Russ and things

1677
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 3: like that, because you're just like that's second or third

1678
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:23,479
Speaker 3: down the line of all the things he's kind of

1679
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 3: going up against here. So I think he earns it

1680
01:15:26,120 --> 01:15:27,680
Speaker 3: if he goes in there and does this, you got

1681
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 3: to give him the respect.

1682
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: I think BC did a great job of laying out

1683
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,519
Speaker 1: some of the reasons why he hasn't necessarily connected with

1684
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 1: the fan base. But three hundred is his chance to,

1685
01:15:34,720 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 1: I think, so recoup all of that. I just want

1686
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:38,439
Speaker 1: to remind folks dud Jamal Hill is tough as shit.

1687
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,400
Speaker 1: Remember Paul Craig broke his arm and the ship was flopping,

1688
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 1: and the look on his face was, damn, is the

1689
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: bus gonna be laid again? Shoot like he is? He is,

1690
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 1: And I say this as a compliment. He's like a

1691
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,400
Speaker 1: little psychotic with it. So think so really a fun one.

1692
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 2: What's his coach's name? Because they seem to have a

1693
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 2: very good relationship in terms of game planning, and I

1694
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 2: love the way they approach striking from from the box sense.

1695
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 2: I think they are a little bit ahead of the

1696
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 2: game in some of those areas.

1697
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with a lot of that. And listen,

1698
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: I mean listen. The major criticism of this fight that

1699
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: I think really is fair is that if you look

1700
01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:11,439
Speaker 1: at like you see one hundred for example, and an

1701
01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: all two hundred before John Jones fucked it all up, right,

1702
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,000
Speaker 1: But and Connor was supposed to be on Connor and Date,

1703
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: But that was different because hedn't want to do prs.

1704
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: That was different. But the point I'm trying to make was,

1705
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: in those two cases, you had two fighters on a

1706
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,679
Speaker 1: collision course. This one they just kind of put together. Yes,

1707
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 1: but even with that, the possibilities for the winner here

1708
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 1: are extraordinary. You gotta love it. I really do.

1709
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 3: I mean, the Isy Trilogy at two five right could

1710
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 3: be in the balance.

1711
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,280
Speaker 1: Hundred percent, you know, one hundred percent. Uh okay, let's

1712
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: go to the comain BC. I'll start with you on

1713
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:47,679
Speaker 1: this one. Why isn't Jeong Way Lee versus Yan Shannon

1714
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,280
Speaker 1: two Chinese nationals. I'm not mad that the fight is

1715
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,160
Speaker 1: on three hundred. I'm not mad at it at all.

1716
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:56,519
Speaker 1: Perfectly fine fight. Jean Way Lee maybe the best female

1717
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 1: fighter on the.

1718
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 4: Planet at the Apex. Let's just it's not.

1719
01:16:59,080 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 1: At the Apex. I'm not mad at all. But I

1720
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:05,400
Speaker 1: guess I am confused, Brian. Why isn't this fight in China?

1721
01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: They just opened up a performance center in this excuse me,

1722
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 1: performance institute in China. I don't get it.

1723
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say this angrily because I know

1724
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,880
Speaker 2: there's a connor argument to what this placement on this

1725
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 2: card can do for not just both of these women,

1726
01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 2: but Chinese mma in general. I mean, it's a big deal,

1727
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: and it's still a big deal in Las Vegas at

1728
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,599
Speaker 2: UFC three hundred. But the reason why this isn't where

1729
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 2: it should be, which is sometime this year in China,

1730
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:31,519
Speaker 2: and I know that there's a lot of setup that's

1731
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 2: needed to make that happen. But you only get fights

1732
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 2: like this when you're trying to build into regions, you know,

1733
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 2: never right every once in a while. I think the

1734
01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,639
Speaker 2: answer is it was just short sighted planning from the company,

1735
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 2: specifically about UFC three hundred, and maybe their plan all

1736
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,360
Speaker 2: along was Connor versus Chandler and whatever else we put

1737
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 2: with it. And maybe maybe I'm starting to may turn

1738
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 2: a little bit in the positive direction at Dana and

1739
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,120
Speaker 2: how he's talked about Connor in the sense that we

1740
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 2: always rag on Dana who says Connor's got too much

1741
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 2: money and does and actually listen to the tone of

1742
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 2: the questions about why that fight hasn't happened. I'm starting

1743
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 2: to truly believe that Connor's just to be fair out

1744
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:11,240
Speaker 2: of his mind and not infighting mentality even remotely, and

1745
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 2: is in full on movie star rock star mentality. And

1746
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,439
Speaker 2: maybe Dana's more, you know, protecting him by the way

1747
01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 2: he talks about it. But if their plan all along

1748
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,439
Speaker 2: was that, and they didn't want to panic about everything else,

1749
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 2: and maybe once they realized that that fight could not

1750
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 2: be made now, then they were like, oh crap, we

1751
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 2: have too many good fights already on two ninety nine,

1752
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,880
Speaker 2: on two ninety eight, a great main event on two

1753
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 2: ninety seven. I think that it's a little bit embarrassing

1754
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 2: and irresponsible. It's not something I think we're gonna remember

1755
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 2: or talk about years from now, because this card still

1756
01:18:40,280 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 2: is top to bottom insanely gray, and fights like Max

1757
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:48,200
Speaker 2: versus Justin Dustin, Sorry, Max versus Justin just might blow

1758
01:18:48,280 --> 01:18:50,800
Speaker 2: us away. From an entertainment standpoint, that that's the thing

1759
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,640
Speaker 2: that the storyline that carries us out of this. But

1760
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 2: I do believe that it was very shortsighted that they

1761
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:59,080
Speaker 2: didn't have better backup plans in place. I think they

1762
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:01,519
Speaker 2: made this fight because they had to. They looked at

1763
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,160
Speaker 2: the menu of potential title fights that they compare together.

1764
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,320
Speaker 2: I think they tried to make some extreme ideas happen

1765
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 2: that couldn't last minute, and then it came down to, well,

1766
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,840
Speaker 2: this one's kind of easy to make and it makes sense,

1767
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,800
Speaker 2: let's just do it. I don't want to say that

1768
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 2: to take away from either female who they are both

1769
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 2: great fighters, and I think Jeong Waylee is, you know,

1770
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 2: arguably the pound for pound best on the on the

1771
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 2: women's side in the game. Today. But it's just a

1772
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,679
Speaker 2: head scratcher to me that this isn't where it should

1773
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 2: be on Chinese soil. To really inject, I mean, if

1774
01:19:29,240 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 2: John Waaley already won her championship in sort of perfect

1775
01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 2: synergy on Chinese soil, when Jessica and Rodge put her

1776
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 2: guard down and just ran into her and it was

1777
01:19:37,680 --> 01:19:41,120
Speaker 2: the perfect scenario, wouldn't this fight have been the next

1778
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 2: perfect scenario? So I don't know, And then the car

1779
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: doesn't need it, you can argue, but true, that's where

1780
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:46,800
Speaker 2: we're at.

1781
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 4: I think it's slapped on for that.

1782
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 3: That's the points that you're making there are right, like

1783
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 3: because if anything else you put on an international fight

1784
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 3: week when you like you'd say international fight, we've got

1785
01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,280
Speaker 3: two Chinese born fighters, it kind of speaks to the

1786
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:03,000
Speaker 3: company's re that you could put that fight on. It

1787
01:20:03,160 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 3: just feels like one of those things where we're like,

1788
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 3: whenever Dana made that like proclamation, this is gonna be

1789
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 3: the craziest fight card ever, they had to start building it,

1790
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,040
Speaker 3: and that was this was just a fight that they

1791
01:20:15,080 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 3: could put on this card.

1792
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:17,760
Speaker 1: And it's a title fight.

1793
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 3: So of course, if you're gonna have multiple tit offs

1794
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:20,679
Speaker 3: now We've got this one here.

1795
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 4: It's a good co main event. I think that they

1796
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 4: they just saw it that way.

1797
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,160
Speaker 3: I think it was it's not a perfect fit, and

1798
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:29,320
Speaker 3: I think that it's the of all of the card

1799
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 3: when you really look down at your own that's the

1800
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 3: one fight, even though it's good and you know and

1801
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 3: everything about it, they just sort of like, well, why

1802
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 3: is that one on here? You know, that's the one

1803
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 3: fight that I look at that. You could say that

1804
01:20:40,240 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 3: a little bit about the BMF, given the stakes of

1805
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 3: where those guys are and stuff like that, but not

1806
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 3: in terms of just what is you know, why is

1807
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 3: this fight on here?

1808
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 4: To Chinese points?

1809
01:20:49,160 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 3: You know, it just it has There are so many

1810
01:20:51,200 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 3: other possibilities for that fight.

1811
01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: Let me introduce something and this is also related to

1812
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,080
Speaker 1: what's gonna We'll get to it very a little bit later.

1813
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 1: When we talked about Tayla Harrison and her one thirty

1814
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,920
Speaker 1: five debut, which, by the way, Friday's wig Ins. Oh

1815
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 1: that's the drama that within the drama. Yeah, dude, Friday's

1816
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: way Ins are going to be a drama show to

1817
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,160
Speaker 1: borrow from Triple G. But let's talk about this fight

1818
01:21:10,200 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 1: here in the sense, one thing I've been really kind

1819
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: of harping on. BC's heard me say this before, maybe

1820
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:15,639
Speaker 1: you have as well, But I do want to bring

1821
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 1: it up, which is John, why Lee has an opportunity

1822
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 1: to here if she beats Seanan, to cement what I

1823
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: think is a legacy she's been, a legacy she's been

1824
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 1: building sewn on if she wins or I'm not sure

1825
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,439
Speaker 1: how to say which one is her first name because

1826
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 1: they do the last name for Yahn, in any case,

1827
01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 1: she would get the biggest win of her career. It

1828
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:34,880
Speaker 1: would be this monumental moment. So you love the stakes there,

1829
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: and as BC indicated, these are two high level fighters.

1830
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:40,479
Speaker 1: Seanan very deserving of this opportunity, Jeann Wi Lee on

1831
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: the cusp of something very special. Okay, for the I'm

1832
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: all in, I will say what is going on in

1833
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: women's MMA right now? Because in twenty sixteen, when Ronda

1834
01:21:50,479 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: was around, and granted that was lightning in a bottle,

1835
01:21:52,720 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 1: but you had women at the top, not only as

1836
01:21:55,960 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 1: big stars but delivering dynamic highlights. They had big right vales,

1837
01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: There were there was They were the show in many

1838
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: months of the calendar year, if not for the whole year.

1839
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,600
Speaker 1: In general, Connor was still around, so not totally, but

1840
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,080
Speaker 1: you get the idea. And I'm not saying these aren't

1841
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: talented women. They are not mad at the fight at all.

1842
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: But what I kind of feel like, I'm what I

1843
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 1: hope that we get out of this, Chuck, is, I

1844
01:22:19,479 --> 01:22:22,360
Speaker 1: don't know, some electricity on the women's side of the game.

1845
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 1: It's missing right now. You don't have rivalries, you don't

1846
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: have big storylines. That's why I wanted this one in

1847
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,280
Speaker 1: China to kind of boost a little bit of that.

1848
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:30,839
Speaker 4: That's true.

1849
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: I think that's true. I'm hoping we can recapture that

1850
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 1: with this one and the feel as big as it

1851
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: possibly can, right, so to be as big as the

1852
01:22:37,040 --> 01:22:39,759
Speaker 1: men's fights. This idea that the women's fights are always

1853
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:42,439
Speaker 1: less than that, that is that is not always the case.

1854
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,599
Speaker 1: And we're in why why you see?

1855
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 2: Because no one wants to hear me say this, and

1856
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 2: I just cut off Chuck, which, no, that's.

1857
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 1: Okay, it's your favorite people play, so go ahead.

1858
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,560
Speaker 2: I mean I caught him worse than OJ when he

1859
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 2: went it. No, I mean just that, all right, here's

1860
01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: the deal. Though nobody wants to hear me bring up

1861
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,519
Speaker 2: you know, my favorite fighter Rose nama Unis and ABC.

1862
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,760
Speaker 2: She's a flyweight now she is. But if you want

1863
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 2: to project Jianguli, who's not young, Okay, she's great, but

1864
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:13,240
Speaker 2: she's not young. If you want to project her and

1865
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,880
Speaker 2: argue that the reason why we didn't put this fight

1866
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:18,519
Speaker 2: in China or put her in China was because three

1867
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:20,559
Speaker 2: hundred is so big. We want her in the comin event.

1868
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 2: We want to show the people that she's not only

1869
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:25,800
Speaker 2: the potentially the powerful pound best fighter right now, but

1870
01:23:25,920 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: we want to show you that she's on her way

1871
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 2: to becoming the best fighter in the history of this division.

1872
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you go to the bullpen call up Rose,

1873
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,439
Speaker 2: the only person to defeat Jeong Lee in the UFC

1874
01:23:37,479 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 2: and she did it. Say to Rose, I know you

1875
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 2: want to go to one twenty five, but let's cut

1876
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 2: one more time. Here's career best money, and we are

1877
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: going to market this fight as the battle to announce

1878
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 2: who's the best in the history of one point fifteen

1879
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 2: And I mean you can even take it further. I

1880
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:55,160
Speaker 2: mean the winner would would essentially have a stamp of

1881
01:23:55,200 --> 01:23:57,840
Speaker 2: being in that conversation of the best female of all time.

1882
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:00,320
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you do that? Please? Guys, I'll side of

1883
01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 2: your loathing for me always going back to the well

1884
01:24:02,479 --> 01:24:04,960
Speaker 2: with this trilogy idea, wouldn't this be the best way

1885
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,680
Speaker 2: to stamp Jean wy Lee as an all time great?

1886
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,559
Speaker 1: Uh with a reachread? I mean, I know she lost

1887
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: to her twice, so that there's a reason to do it.

1888
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you win the rivalry if you do it

1889
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: right here at three hundred with this audience. Do you

1890
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying that she has no blemishes on her.

1891
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 1: I don't have a BC's animated about this issue. I

1892
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 1: can take it or legally you what about you, Joe,

1893
01:24:24,320 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like that. I'm I see what you're saying. Though,

1894
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:28,839
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying, but kind of going.

1895
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 3: Back to this whole topic, it's set up for Whaley

1896
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:33,839
Speaker 3: to shine.

1897
01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 1: I mean she has I know you're saying.

1898
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:37,879
Speaker 3: There's like that, there's you want it to feel bigger

1899
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 3: and you want it in different kinds of some women's fighties.

1900
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 3: The Rosanami Unis when she beat her felt like a

1901
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:46,800
Speaker 3: big deal, didn't it, Like when it was like that

1902
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 3: first one, it just felt like so out of nowhere.

1903
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 3: And then when you think of the young Yuanna Yan

1904
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:54,240
Speaker 3: Jcheck fight that was like basically a fight of the

1905
01:24:54,280 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 3: decade that whiley put out definitely capable of a crazy outcome,

1906
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 3: and I think that she could translate. But so much

1907
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 3: of it plays out in prospect. We talk about these fights,

1908
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:08,720
Speaker 3: it's all about the hype going in. Sometimes what we

1909
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,040
Speaker 3: take coming out obviously is the bigger thing, right Like

1910
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 3: in the in the end, there's a chance here. I

1911
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 3: don't know how it how it will go down, But

1912
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 3: I don't see yawn right like she hasn't had. I

1913
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,000
Speaker 3: bet there's a lot of people even within the within

1914
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 3: the the diehard bubble, that haven't watched a lot of

1915
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,640
Speaker 3: Genon fights, right like they've only if they're just on.

1916
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:29,920
Speaker 4: But I don't think they go out of their way

1917
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 4: to watch these fights.

1918
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:33,639
Speaker 1: It could be a showcase for or it could be

1919
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 1: it could just be, like you know, I think that's

1920
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 1: the problem you're having.

1921
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 3: It could just be pushed away. You won't even remember

1922
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 3: this fight. Like BC was saying at the beginning of this, I.

1923
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Mean, just in terms of relas knows, sewn On is

1924
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: just two months younger than John Wiley, so both of

1925
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: them are kind of advanced age. But this is the

1926
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make like thirty four is yeah

1927
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: around that mark. And the point I'm trying to make

1928
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:54,719
Speaker 1: it between these two is, like, you know, I feel

1929
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:58,439
Speaker 1: like the best chance of making the best use of it,

1930
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: given that jon Cha Naan is relatively anonymous and John

1931
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: Wiley could use a profile boosts, would be to put

1932
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:07,240
Speaker 1: them where that could be. It's true manifested in China,

1933
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 1: not so much here. But I'll say this in terms

1934
01:26:09,080 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 1: of x's and o's, I think at Jean Wiley's Fight

1935
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 1: to Lose, she nearly averages three takedowns per fifteen minutes.

1936
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: It's a it's a twenty five minute fight. Cho na

1937
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:21,639
Speaker 1: has decent defensive grappling, but not great. They're pretty equal

1938
01:26:21,680 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 1: ish on the feet. John Wiley takes a little bit

1939
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,680
Speaker 1: of risks, so could be again, it's probably gonna be

1940
01:26:26,680 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: a fun fight. It's just it's a little strange.

1941
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,920
Speaker 3: Watching way against Carla right in the first one, but

1942
01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:35,840
Speaker 3: that last fight against Lamos where she just more than

1943
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 3: half the fight just total control, like uh control piece

1944
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 3: that breaks off of her and the and the is

1945
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,479
Speaker 3: like six to one significant just to beat down from

1946
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:44,000
Speaker 3: pillar to post.

1947
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:45,640
Speaker 1: And that fight against you Onni and j check is

1948
01:26:45,640 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: maybe one of the best fights I've ever seen, you know.

1949
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like she's, especially on her second run,

1950
01:26:50,360 --> 01:26:51,920
Speaker 3: second run of the champ, I feel like she's kind

1951
01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:54,280
Speaker 3: of tasted, that she knows about it, she's humbled that way.

1952
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:56,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is her fight too. Ye. To

1953
01:26:56,479 --> 01:26:59,280
Speaker 1: b C's point, the jug being poured out in that fight,

1954
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,920
Speaker 1: it's like something you'll never see from men or women.

1955
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 1: I don't know if we'll get that kind of magic

1956
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 1: on UFC three hundred. You might on the other fight

1957
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 1: that you're about to talk about. Okay, so let's go

1958
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: to this perfect segue bc BC. I don't even know

1959
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,920
Speaker 1: what to say about this Max Holloway taking on Justin Geigee,

1960
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,840
Speaker 1: serious question, And this is how I want to set

1961
01:27:17,880 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 1: it up. Are these guys win or lose, going to

1962
01:27:20,280 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: be the same after this fight.

1963
01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:26,400
Speaker 2: They're not. They're not. And but that is every big

1964
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:30,160
Speaker 2: action fight. That's why guys like that's like, that's why

1965
01:27:30,200 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 2: these lightweights of this great action fight era. And I'm

1966
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,519
Speaker 2: gonna now toss Max Holloway in there because the one

1967
01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:39,080
Speaker 2: time he was in this division, he was part of

1968
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 2: one of those against Pourier. But you don't talking about

1969
01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,759
Speaker 2: you can call him the four Kings, the five Chefs.

1970
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,320
Speaker 2: I don't know what we're doing here, but you know

1971
01:27:45,400 --> 01:27:48,760
Speaker 2: when you're talking about Chandler, Gai Chee, Pori A. Alvarez,

1972
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 2: I mean, this era has been insane. You're always leaving

1973
01:27:51,760 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 2: a chunk of yourself in the casion. The fact that

1974
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:57,400
Speaker 2: guys like Gai Chee and Porier and Holloway and and

1975
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 2: Porrier have been able to just stay at this level

1976
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:04,280
Speaker 2: despite that damage accrued is a testament to why they

1977
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 2: are in their where they are on their way to

1978
01:28:06,280 --> 01:28:09,080
Speaker 2: true immortality, whether some of them ever win the full

1979
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 2: championship or not, because they consistently give this to us.

1980
01:28:12,360 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 2: But I think I think we went a little too

1981
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 2: harsh on the Is this going to be too much

1982
01:28:17,560 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 2: for Max? Is this going to be the end of

1983
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,000
Speaker 2: his career? Is this the worst fight ever? Didn't you

1984
01:28:21,080 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 2: just prove that you're still super super elite in your

1985
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:27,880
Speaker 2: own division and the long standing champion who beaten three times,

1986
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 2: which was a major obstacle, just got defeated. Maybe you know,

1987
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 2: as we argued, you should have stayed in that lane.

1988
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 2: But Max Holloway didn't get to where he was by

1989
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 2: thinking practically, by not swinging big. And I have to

1990
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:44,120
Speaker 2: give him this, has he accrued an insane amount of

1991
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 2: damage even in the fights he won, Yes, but his

1992
01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,520
Speaker 2: ability to bounce back almost every single time from situations

1993
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:53,679
Speaker 2: where where I had extreme fear as both a fan

1994
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,240
Speaker 2: of him and a journalist, and a fan journalist who

1995
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 2: loves interviewing him and loves what Max represents as like

1996
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 2: an ambassador for this sport, for busheto for just wavos right,

1997
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:07,599
Speaker 2: just absolute is you know, we remember that TV interview

1998
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,720
Speaker 2: that got him pulled and I was questioning literally if

1999
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 2: he was going through some type of inner physical breakdowns,

2000
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,720
Speaker 2: it would never be the same. He was the same repeatedly,

2001
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,040
Speaker 2: got through that war with the iir won that really

2002
01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 2: great close fight with Arnold Allen. I mean, he's still

2003
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 2: that dude in every way. And what I've loved the

2004
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:27,640
Speaker 2: most about the build to this fight from Max's standpoint

2005
01:29:27,920 --> 01:29:30,599
Speaker 2: is the public campaign he's been going on to sort

2006
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 2: of shake us up, fans of him, journalists and say,

2007
01:29:33,800 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 2: all you guys are talking about is the negativity and

2008
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 2: the fear that you have that I'm making a horrible

2009
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,639
Speaker 2: decision and I'm going to get hammered out and carried out.

2010
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 2: But that's why I'm in this sport to take on

2011
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 2: these challenges. And I think when you really listen closely

2012
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,880
Speaker 2: to Max's words, he talks about how he accepted that

2013
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:52,680
Speaker 2: poorier rematch on short notice. He was still in the

2014
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 2: rein of his featherweight crown. He purposely did not put

2015
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 2: on a lot of muscle or change his body at

2016
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 2: all so that it wouldn't mess with him going back

2017
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:02,040
Speaker 2: down and wait, he was still in a competitive and

2018
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 2: close in one of the greatest action fights in this

2019
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 2: sport's history. Although yes, he took a lot of damage,

2020
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:09,880
Speaker 2: but in his mind, he's really taken the time of

2021
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:12,559
Speaker 2: this bout to focus in on what it will take

2022
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 2: physically to win this fight, rebuilding his body, getting in there.

2023
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 2: And I think what Max is trying to teach us

2024
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,679
Speaker 2: through his recent interviews, not just ahead of this fight,

2025
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 2: but after the last few, is that he is that

2026
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 2: rare mental Michael Jordan. He is that rare all time

2027
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:33,200
Speaker 2: grave who can refocus, recharge in I'm no longer in

2028
01:30:33,280 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 2: that same fear space, even though he's in an uphill

2029
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 2: battle against gay Chee. I think this is going to

2030
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 2: be full all action brilliance that we expect. But let's

2031
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 2: let this guy show us his greatness before we start

2032
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 2: writing the obituary.

2033
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 3: It's funny with like you think about fan favorites, like

2034
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:52,640
Speaker 3: justin Gaigee, nobody's a bigger fan favorite than Max. All

2035
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 3: the way, though, can you imagine if he did this,

2036
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 3: Like just you talking about I'm imagining him going in

2037
01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:58,679
Speaker 3: there because a lot of people, I think, will pointing

2038
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,720
Speaker 3: to that second Poitier fight, be like, well he was

2039
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,439
Speaker 3: just he didn't have the size, he couldn't do this.

2040
01:31:02,520 --> 01:31:04,599
Speaker 3: So if you're stuck on that kind of thing, he's

2041
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:06,679
Speaker 3: an underdog, and I think he is a literal underdog

2042
01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:08,160
Speaker 3: in this fight. But if he's able to go in

2043
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 3: there and do that, can you imagine the cult of

2044
01:31:12,120 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 3: Max Holloway, Like where that's gonna go, especially because then

2045
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 3: he puts himself right back into that Ilia taporia thing, Like, right,

2046
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 3: he can just go back and like, if they're doing

2047
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 3: a big show, couldn't he just slide right back into

2048
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:26,240
Speaker 3: that conversation in the feather way? So it's just like,

2049
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 3: I think he's one of the And here's a crazy

2050
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,680
Speaker 3: stat for you guys. You think of Max Holloway and

2051
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 3: you think, of my god, the guy's been around for

2052
01:31:32,479 --> 01:31:34,880
Speaker 3: just like you would with Porier. If you look at

2053
01:31:34,880 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 3: the top six that the six fighters at the top

2054
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,320
Speaker 3: of this card, that the two Tidele fights in this BMF,

2055
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 3: he's the youngest one of that group.

2056
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 4: He's thirty two years old.

2057
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,840
Speaker 3: He's just slightly younger, like six months younger than Jamal Hill,

2058
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 3: but he's the youngest guy in this group. It's a

2059
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:51,360
Speaker 3: crazy thing like we sometimes put Max away and I

2060
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,040
Speaker 3: think remember when he was kind of spacing out in

2061
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:56,080
Speaker 3: one of those interviews and we were worried about his

2062
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 3: mental capacity.

2063
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's being caught him on Earth.

2064
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was things like that that happened where I

2065
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 3: think really people who've watched his career were worried about

2066
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 3: But you watch him over the course of time and

2067
01:32:06,439 --> 01:32:09,160
Speaker 3: you think that that's that was just a weird happened thing.

2068
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 3: Whatever happened there was just an anomaly, right, Like you

2069
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 3: didn't think of a long term because you see him

2070
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 3: against Calvin Cator talking and just lighting him up and

2071
01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:18,679
Speaker 3: in the craziest way possible.

2072
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:19,719
Speaker 4: You see him in these fights.

2073
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: If it happens what BC said, I mean, if it happens,

2074
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:24,720
Speaker 1: and he shows up and does that.

2075
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:28,240
Speaker 3: He's actually the size, he's ready for it, and he

2076
01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 3: beats Justin Gaichee. The cult of Max is going to

2077
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 3: be enormous, isn't it. I think it's just gonna go out.

2078
01:32:33,160 --> 01:32:36,479
Speaker 3: It's gonna be off the charts. This, I mean, it's funny.

2079
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: For a guy who has finished Jose Aldo twice, this

2080
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 1: could be his best win in a certain way, because

2081
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:44,679
Speaker 1: he went up a weight class, defying expectations. The doubts

2082
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:46,640
Speaker 1: are bigger, right, yeah, yes, I mean there were some

2083
01:32:46,680 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: doubts obviously the first time he fought Aldo, but then

2084
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:51,559
Speaker 1: you know, he finished him off from I think mounter

2085
01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 1: back with the strikes and then did it again in

2086
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 1: the in the follow up in almost an identical way.

2087
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 1: But to go up a weight class against just I mean,

2088
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,559
Speaker 1: just let's be on about Justin gai Chee. I was

2089
01:33:01,600 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 1: wondering about that class of one P fifty five vers

2090
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:07,040
Speaker 1: who was gonna come through and wipe everyone out, and

2091
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:12,040
Speaker 1: he Justin gae Chee pushed back against Dizives then headkicks

2092
01:33:12,080 --> 01:33:15,160
Speaker 1: Dustin Poor and I'm like, well shit, I we some

2093
01:33:15,200 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 1: of us bury this guy way too quickly. He has

2094
01:33:17,840 --> 01:33:19,920
Speaker 1: thirty five years of age. I don't know if the

2095
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:24,519
Speaker 1: stat applies as as strictly because it's a BMF title,

2096
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 1: it's not a real weight class title. It doesn't have

2097
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 1: the same value in that way.

2098
01:33:28,640 --> 01:33:31,680
Speaker 2: I'm hearing you debate that. I love hearing you scientifically

2099
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 2: try to fight the battle of the stigma of your

2100
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 2: own status.

2101
01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:38,920
Speaker 1: Stigma, stigma. I've looked so good with that motherfucking stat.

2102
01:33:38,920 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 1: Are you getting hear those stigma attached to it? But well,

2103
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:43,599
Speaker 1: I guess what I wanted to point out was if

2104
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,759
Speaker 1: Max goes in there and does what you're rightly describing

2105
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: what some people think is unthinkable in defeating Justin Gai

2106
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: Chee up a weight class claiming a belt, he's already

2107
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,479
Speaker 1: probably gonna go into the Hall of Fame. This would

2108
01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: expedite it.

2109
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, b See this, guys, how big would a

2110
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:06,800
Speaker 2: toporio championship fight be at featherweight in Spain? If the

2111
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:11,040
Speaker 2: dance partner is Max Holloway coming off of a heroic

2112
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 2: late career type of performance, that this could be. And

2113
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 2: by the way, to add on my point earlier, they've

2114
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 2: actually been training because he's putting on more bulk at

2115
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 2: sitting down on his power, because we all know that

2116
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 2: was the thing that separated him from Poier in that rematch,

2117
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,600
Speaker 2: great five round fight. Max could never hurt him or

2118
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 2: really get over the top. I don't know if that

2119
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 2: will change in this one. But how big would Tuporia

2120
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:32,200
Speaker 2: versus Max be? Whether they put it in a bull

2121
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,799
Speaker 2: ring in Spain or they do it. It looks underwear

2122
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,200
Speaker 2: to be fair, right, I mean, because that's really where

2123
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:39,000
Speaker 2: that fight belongs.

2124
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 1: A lot of skid marks in my undies. I mean,

2125
01:34:41,280 --> 01:34:41,960
Speaker 1: we gotta be careful.

2126
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,519
Speaker 2: That could be one of the bigger fights of this era, really,

2127
01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:46,120
Speaker 2: like you know what I.

2128
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:47,600
Speaker 3: Mean, Like it could be, could be that would be

2129
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 3: amazing because of where Max is. Max would be going

2130
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 3: into that in a situation where he's basically being lowered

2131
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 3: into a cauldron, which would be Spain. If it's all

2132
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 3: just like we're talking about, and Ilia Supori have been

2133
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 3: where he's at, that's the that's the hype.

2134
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: Mod I. I've been listening to uh Shack MAJORI who

2135
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: won't stop texting me did an interview?

2136
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 2: Look, would you just retweet him already? On me? Come on?

2137
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:13,559
Speaker 1: I mean, you ever seen that clip of Denzel Washington

2138
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: is Malcolm X that brother stop h That's how I

2139
01:35:17,439 --> 01:35:20,240
Speaker 1: would describe Shack majority. But he did an interview with

2140
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:21,880
Speaker 1: Justin Gachee and just In gags you sort of going

2141
01:35:21,880 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 1: on like, yeah, I don't really want to do that.

2142
01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to hurt too bad. If if I

2143
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 1: can break his arm, if I can, like you know,

2144
01:35:26,240 --> 01:35:28,800
Speaker 1: shatter his leg, that would be better. And I'm in

2145
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 1: no way here trying to talk. Just engage you out

2146
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:32,679
Speaker 1: of his own confidence, like that's what you would need.

2147
01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 1: There is a part of me that wonders though that

2148
01:35:36,720 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: he feels like I'm the bigger man. I'm the dom

2149
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:41,960
Speaker 1: doma dominant puncher and kicker at this weight class. Anyway,

2150
01:35:42,240 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 1: if I just lay the lumber to this guy, he

2151
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,880
Speaker 1: will fall. And here's the thing. If he becomes the

2152
01:35:47,880 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 1: first guy to stop Max Holloway with strikes, holy shit,

2153
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:52,400
Speaker 1: Justin gae Chee even gets a lot out of this

2154
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:57,000
Speaker 1: beyond just the victory itself. But on the other hand,

2155
01:35:57,920 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: if he just thinks he can lay the lumber to

2156
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 1: him in Max has that all time durability with him,

2157
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:05,400
Speaker 1: it sets up for an interesting later on in the fight.

2158
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 2: I love the chuck. I want to send that to

2159
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 2: you because I love the way that LOUTI that up.

2160
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,879
Speaker 2: We always say that when someone's fighting a dominant wrestler,

2161
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 2: what if they can stay on their feet? How does

2162
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 2: that change this dynamic? Isn't this Max's fight to lose

2163
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 2: if he is actually able to install distance and speed

2164
01:36:22,680 --> 01:36:24,800
Speaker 2: because we know the technical advantage is going to have

2165
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 2: over Gay Chee geg is not going to take him down.

2166
01:36:27,960 --> 01:36:31,640
Speaker 2: I'm talking myself into Max. Yes, you are do not

2167
01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,680
Speaker 2: only yeah, man, talk about this point. No, I think

2168
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:36,479
Speaker 2: he can enjoy it with these pit stage you know

2169
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 2: what I mean?

2170
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,120
Speaker 3: I think that you guys are I think that gai

2171
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 3: Chie he just knocked out Dustin Poie, who beat You know,

2172
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 3: if you just do this kind of math right like

2173
01:36:46,120 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 3: you could do something. You could do this math with

2174
01:36:47,920 --> 01:36:51,960
Speaker 3: Poitier handled uh Halloway, so you could do this. But

2175
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 3: I think that Gaichie's mindset is that probably he will

2176
01:36:56,120 --> 01:36:58,719
Speaker 3: not be able to handle his pressure and power together

2177
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 3: like that. It's if he's able to put these things

2178
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 3: together the right way, he could take out Max Holloway.

2179
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:08,840
Speaker 3: That could be very dangerous. We've seen Max Holloway and

2180
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,959
Speaker 3: with his footwork and speed and his ability to adapt

2181
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:14,960
Speaker 3: as you've mentioned many times, in a fight like I

2182
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 3: think that the more he withstands, the crazier it gets. Right,

2183
01:37:20,439 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 3: I think that it probably does become Max's fight if

2184
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,240
Speaker 3: he's able to withstand and make it a you know,

2185
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:27,439
Speaker 3: into the later round. B.

2186
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: See you know what else is happening here? Because I

2187
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:31,120
Speaker 1: got asked about it, I didn't connect the dots at first,

2188
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 1: but someone did ask me. There's a little bit of

2189
01:37:34,160 --> 01:37:37,360
Speaker 1: the ghost of Tony Ferguson following this fight, which is

2190
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:40,000
Speaker 1: to say, because of what Justin did to him and

2191
01:37:40,040 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 1: how brutal it was and how one sided it did

2192
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 1: change his career, he was never the same after it.

2193
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: There's a lot of people saying is it Max setting

2194
01:37:47,560 --> 01:37:49,960
Speaker 1: himself up for that, BC, to which you would reply.

2195
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,400
Speaker 2: I'm trying to paint a picture that I think Max

2196
01:37:53,479 --> 01:37:57,240
Speaker 2: is just built differently. That his ability to bounce back

2197
01:37:57,320 --> 01:37:59,479
Speaker 2: because of his mental toughness. And I'm not saying it's

2198
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:02,200
Speaker 2: going to last forever, because we always used Chuck Lidell

2199
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 2: as a litmus test. When the chin goes, it's gone,

2200
01:38:05,200 --> 01:38:08,240
Speaker 2: it's not coming back. Max is not there yet. But

2201
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:12,320
Speaker 2: I just think his guile, his toughness, his mind like,

2202
01:38:12,720 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 2: what's the reason that someone like me originally missed Max's brilliance,

2203
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 2: Meaning that when he finally got to the title level

2204
01:38:21,360 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 2: after that long wind streak and got to the al

2205
01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:25,760
Speaker 2: though fights I picked against him in the first fight,

2206
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 2: I picked against him in the second fight too, what

2207
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:32,080
Speaker 2: did I miss? Because it's the intangibles deep inside that

2208
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:36,799
Speaker 2: truly separate this guy. Yeah, incredible volume, striker, distance manager,

2209
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 2: takedown defenses through the roof, But really it's the combination

2210
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 2: of his smart's, his IQ. Look at the adjustments he

2211
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:47,240
Speaker 2: made after the first Volkanovsky fight and just that mental

2212
01:38:47,320 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 2: wiring that I don't think it's going to go down

2213
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 2: that way. I don't think he's there to be hit

2214
01:38:51,320 --> 01:38:54,760
Speaker 2: as consistently as Tony Ferguson. I think that when you

2215
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:56,599
Speaker 2: add in those quotes that you guys said, that maybe

2216
01:38:56,680 --> 01:39:00,519
Speaker 2: Datschi could be looking past him to a small degree

2217
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:03,800
Speaker 2: on the idea of if I just keep leg kicking

2218
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:05,920
Speaker 2: him from a foot away, I'm gonna break him down

2219
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 2: and set him up to be finished. Maybe not, maybe not.

2220
01:39:09,120 --> 01:39:13,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Luke, emotionally, take me off of hyperbole mountain

2221
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 2: here for a second. If you need to give me

2222
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 2: the apollo hook. But if Max wins this in an

2223
01:39:18,280 --> 01:39:23,679
Speaker 2: all action affair, is this Randy versus Sylvia all over again?

2224
01:39:24,720 --> 01:39:30,320
Speaker 1: Ooh? No, Kutore was a really big name who got

2225
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 1: finished off by Chuck Leadell, went into retirement and came

2226
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,240
Speaker 1: back and got a title shot at heavyweight out of nowhere.

2227
01:39:36,280 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean he was I don't have the odds in

2228
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:41,000
Speaker 1: front of me. But when I say massively written off,

2229
01:39:41,520 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 1: I do mean massively. And then he came in there?

2230
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:48,360
Speaker 2: What about the potential emotional earthquake? Because really, this is

2231
01:39:49,040 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 2: Randy versus Sylvia is always the feel good example we

2232
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:56,240
Speaker 2: use of somebody in the in the second half of

2233
01:39:56,280 --> 01:39:58,840
Speaker 2: the career finding one more moment, and Chuck, maybe to

2234
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 2: your point, why are we framing Max in that when

2235
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:02,320
Speaker 2: he's only like thirty.

2236
01:40:02,040 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: Two, right, because he's got I mean he's thirty two,

2237
01:40:04,960 --> 01:40:07,400
Speaker 1: but he's got that no Gara mileage on him as well,

2238
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,799
Speaker 1: and like that, you know, I was amazing. I remember

2239
01:40:09,840 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 1: No Gara eating punch after punch for a year after year,

2240
01:40:12,880 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 1: and it never mattered until it did, and then when

2241
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:18,200
Speaker 1: it went, it was fucking done. Like the noghera chin

2242
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,439
Speaker 1: had its had its expiration date. But but you were

2243
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 1: gonna say, no, I was just no, No, I was

2244
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:26,519
Speaker 1: pretching it. I was.

2245
01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:26,760
Speaker 6: Uh.

2246
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 3: It's funny to think about sustainability in the way that

2247
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 3: we're talking, because you go, you could do the same

2248
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,880
Speaker 3: thing with Justin Gaegee, Like at some point you're like,

2249
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 3: how can he continue this? I remember having a conversation

2250
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:40,719
Speaker 3: with him, whatever year it was, when he's fighting Luis

2251
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:45,320
Speaker 3: Palomino and his secondary of fighting and saying like, surely

2252
01:40:45,360 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 3: this can't sustain, Like, you can't sustain this kind of fighting,

2253
01:40:48,520 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 3: and talking to his coach Trevor Whitman at the time

2254
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,599
Speaker 3: and just basically Simon and now he's had you know,

2255
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:55,760
Speaker 3: not just that, but he's went into UFC, he's fought

2256
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 3: for all these years later, he's still putting on monumental fights.

2257
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,719
Speaker 3: You feel like, even for guys like him, it could

2258
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 3: just happen, right at some point, it could be this fight,

2259
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 3: it could be Max lights him up and all of

2260
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 3: a sudden, it's the other He.

2261
01:41:07,200 --> 01:41:09,679
Speaker 1: Had wars after the Palomino fight. He obviously had doors

2262
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:12,559
Speaker 1: here in the in the UFC, but he reinvented himself,

2263
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 1: and so I think that to me is a big,

2264
01:41:15,320 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 1: big difference.

2265
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,360
Speaker 3: You're right, I mean he has to say. I still

2266
01:41:19,400 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 3: think he gets away from caution, like he's his self.

2267
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:25,920
Speaker 3: Self preservation is not like uh some.

2268
01:41:25,840 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 1: Fighters, okay, fair enough, but I think there's a lot

2269
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 1: more self preservation than you might be giving him credit. Like,

2270
01:41:29,400 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 1: for example, if you go back and watch the first

2271
01:41:31,520 --> 01:41:34,759
Speaker 1: part a fight that gets you had, he's just walking

2272
01:41:34,800 --> 01:41:36,200
Speaker 1: into shit and then trying to get as close as

2273
01:41:36,240 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: he can't do and then just got you know, eaten alive.

2274
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 1: He didn't do that against Partia the second time, and

2275
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, well, PARTI, it was done. But then

2276
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 1: he comes back in the ices BSD and you're like,

2277
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 1: well maybe not like I mean, there could be a

2278
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:49,080
Speaker 1: lot be like I mean, I want to talk about

2279
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:50,599
Speaker 1: just engage you here for just a second. As well,

2280
01:41:50,880 --> 01:41:53,040
Speaker 1: he did an interview again with Shack Majority, who just

2281
01:41:53,080 --> 01:41:56,400
Speaker 1: won't stop fucking the next thing. I mean that brother Stovin,

2282
01:41:57,840 --> 01:42:01,759
Speaker 1: he was basically conceding, you know, the winner of Sarayuki

2283
01:42:01,800 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about in a minute, sar Ukin and Olavera,

2284
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:05,679
Speaker 1: they're going to get the title shot. I'll just fight

2285
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 1: that winner in March BC. Are you surprised that he

2286
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:13,760
Speaker 1: just punted on he gets the next title shot. Who

2287
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:15,519
Speaker 1: are you saying gets the next time chi Geichi if

2288
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 1: he wins. He basically was like, yeah, I'll let Islam

2289
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:21,320
Speaker 1: fight blah blah blah. I'll see whoever the winner is.

2290
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 1: At the end of the year.

2291
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:26,599
Speaker 2: You stack victories over Poorier and Holloway in succession, you

2292
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 2: know you're going to get the title shot in any

2293
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 2: division at any moment. But we got kind of an

2294
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 2: issue here because olivera versus Sara yuki In has been

2295
01:42:34,760 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 2: exclusively sold from my vantage point as the number one

2296
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:42,479
Speaker 2: contender fight. I interviewed Saraukin for Morning Combat and that

2297
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 2: Armenian Hulk told me no. He interrupted me and said, no,

2298
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,200
Speaker 2: this is the number one contender fight. The winner will

2299
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:52,280
Speaker 2: be fighting the champion next. And also Porier, the fan favorite,

2300
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 2: just reinvented himself and he hasn't fought this current champion yet.

2301
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,120
Speaker 2: I don't know what the UFC will do, and I

2302
01:42:58,160 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 2: don't even know what they should do at this moment.

2303
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:03,559
Speaker 2: I know you're looking for something beyond white belt reactions

2304
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:06,599
Speaker 2: in terms of my analysis and not just really shitty humor.

2305
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:09,920
Speaker 2: But I was I was expected the perplexed on who

2306
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:12,800
Speaker 2: deserves it? Most because I know you were seeing me

2307
01:43:12,880 --> 01:43:16,600
Speaker 2: up to tear down justin Gaigie's argument. But dude, he

2308
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:19,320
Speaker 2: had kicked ub Stustin Poarier, so maybe that maybe that

2309
01:43:19,400 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 2: takes DP out of it to begin with. I mean,

2310
01:43:21,880 --> 01:43:22,680
Speaker 2: if he beats him, and.

2311
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:26,160
Speaker 1: Max Partier saying Poarier is saying on social media yesterday

2312
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:27,480
Speaker 1: he's next for Islam.

2313
01:43:28,400 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 2: They all think they are. So my question back to

2314
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 2: you guys is I can't figure it out who actually

2315
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:34,760
Speaker 2: would deserve it the most.

2316
01:43:35,160 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 1: Honestly, if Partier is gonna be ready, I think it'll

2317
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:39,760
Speaker 1: be him, whether whether or not it should be it

2318
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 1: will be really yeah, and or if the I'll say this,

2319
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:47,599
Speaker 1: it seems like winner or loser of the holloway gechee beolt.

2320
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need some time off. I don't know that,

2321
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 1: but it seems likely.

2322
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 4: That seems you educated.

2323
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, sarki In and Olivera is a three round fight,

2324
01:43:54,960 --> 01:43:56,640
Speaker 1: not a five, and not a bruising fight in the

2325
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:58,599
Speaker 1: same kind of way. Although one could get their lights

2326
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:02,400
Speaker 1: put out, you never know. It seems like they're going

2327
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:05,040
Speaker 1: to be next up just by virtue of availability.

2328
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:07,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have no problem.

2329
01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:10,599
Speaker 3: I mean, if it's after what Poorier did and to

2330
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:12,879
Speaker 3: go through Like you were talking about all these monsters

2331
01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 3: that are coming up in the division.

2332
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 4: I was with you, we're talking about this. We're like, dude,

2333
01:44:16,360 --> 01:44:16,720
Speaker 4: it is.

2334
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:19,720
Speaker 3: You get from like four to ten and you're like,

2335
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 3: good luck, everyone's name, you're every.

2336
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:24,639
Speaker 4: One of them.

2337
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:26,679
Speaker 3: Pooria just did it, and I would have no problem

2338
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 3: the way he did it, the way he overcame it.

2339
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:31,200
Speaker 3: It's just such og stuff and I'm like, you got it,

2340
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:33,120
Speaker 3: Like I feel like they would be missing an opportunity

2341
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:35,240
Speaker 3: if they didn't do it at this point. But it's

2342
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,320
Speaker 3: it's a weird situation because we know how it is. Man,

2343
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:40,479
Speaker 3: it's recency bias, and it's perception based off of what

2344
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 3: just happened.

2345
01:44:41,160 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 1: And you've got two critical fights about.

2346
01:44:43,760 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 3: To happen, and uh like, say, your boys, Sarrukin goes

2347
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:51,120
Speaker 3: right through Oliver. Nobody does this, not not like this

2348
01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 3: Charles Oliver that we know if he goes right through them,

2349
01:44:54,360 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I know they're just gonna give it to

2350
01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 3: It's gonna be tough. And you have that you they

2351
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,599
Speaker 3: also have the backstory with him in Islam from way

2352
01:45:02,600 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 3: back when they fought before, so it'd be very interesting

2353
01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:06,720
Speaker 3: I think that that's what makes it so fun. You

2354
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:09,120
Speaker 3: have so many contenders and so many variations of what

2355
01:45:09,160 --> 01:45:09,760
Speaker 3: could happen here.

2356
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 1: I'll say this too, BC. If Justin Gaichie becomes the

2357
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:17,599
Speaker 1: guy who changed Tony Ferguson's career and becomes the first

2358
01:45:17,600 --> 01:45:21,920
Speaker 1: person to stop Max Holloway with strikes, WHOA, Yeah, you're

2359
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:24,799
Speaker 1: dealing with maybe not the best striker in UFC history,

2360
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:28,280
Speaker 1: but maybe the most punishing striker in UFC history.

2361
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 2: I think it's fair to say that right now. And

2362
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:32,639
Speaker 2: we did this exercise in the past and Morning Combat.

2363
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 2: I think Justin Gaichie is already the greatest action fighter

2364
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:38,839
Speaker 2: in the history of mixed martial arts and the UFC

2365
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:42,920
Speaker 2: banner like the most three watchable on UFC Fight Pass,

2366
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 2: and he's only going to add another brilliant chapter here.

2367
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:48,680
Speaker 2: But if he's able to, like you say, put Holloway's

2368
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:52,880
Speaker 2: name on there right after Pourier, he doesn't need the

2369
01:45:52,920 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 2: full championship to go down where he's gonna end up,

2370
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:58,000
Speaker 2: going down as a first ballot Hall of Famer, Because

2371
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,280
Speaker 2: when you have those layers to who you are, the

2372
01:46:00,320 --> 01:46:04,240
Speaker 2: ability to be so fan serving in your style, you

2373
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:07,960
Speaker 2: still have a very glossy record and continuously work your

2374
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:10,559
Speaker 2: way back into the title picture. It says something about

2375
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 2: a man. Seriously, this is one of the greatest in

2376
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:15,960
Speaker 2: this category of Oh who's he fighting? I don't care

2377
01:46:16,120 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 2: what city I'm there, like, you know, you know these

2378
01:46:18,920 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 2: fans travel in the UFC and they go for it too.

2379
01:46:21,160 --> 01:46:24,000
Speaker 1: I can't fucking wait for this fight. I just was

2380
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 1: thinking that.

2381
01:46:24,520 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's because you sold it like

2382
01:46:26,320 --> 01:46:28,360
Speaker 3: BC on the front end, you're on Halloway now you're

2383
01:46:28,360 --> 01:46:29,640
Speaker 3: going to gate you and I'm sitting there thinking the

2384
01:46:29,680 --> 01:46:30,400
Speaker 3: exact same thing.

2385
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, this is an insane fight. Yeah, yeah,

2386
01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 1: it's super insane. And by the way, speak about the way.

2387
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 2: You know, what should it be the main? Should it

2388
01:46:37,720 --> 01:46:40,479
Speaker 2: be the main loop? Let's have that argument, you old bitch.

2389
01:46:41,160 --> 01:46:43,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you don't have to be hostile. Nice to

2390
01:46:43,640 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 1: see you. You see him friendly be mf over a

2391
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:50,840
Speaker 1: weight class title. I don't know, dude, I don't know.

2392
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe the coach Starpow or baby start,

2393
01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 1: I get it. I mean, listen, if they did it,

2394
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:56,960
Speaker 1: would it be a crime. No, it would not be

2395
01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:02,519
Speaker 1: a crime. But they do you think, Yeah, I think

2396
01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:04,840
Speaker 1: just dude, it's such glue in the middle, you know.

2397
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna need a cigarette after that. You

2398
01:47:06,520 --> 01:47:08,559
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. Everyone's gonna go to the bathroom

2399
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:10,200
Speaker 1: after that fight. No, but they're gonna miss the women's

2400
01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:13,800
Speaker 1: I guarantee you right about that. All right, let's talk

2401
01:47:13,800 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 1: about the fight BC. I mean, you know there's the

2402
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:20,479
Speaker 1: Iliatiporia boners. There's there's many boners, the city kickboxing boners.

2403
01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:24,280
Speaker 1: Here's another one, Arminsaryuki and my Armenian brethren taking on

2404
01:47:24,360 --> 01:47:28,880
Speaker 1: Charles Olivera. Another all action affair. Another one Chuck young gun,

2405
01:47:29,160 --> 01:47:31,479
Speaker 1: old guy, old guy. I'm putting in quotes, but you know,

2406
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 1: a veteran, let's say, and Charles Olivera, both guys coming

2407
01:47:35,200 --> 01:47:37,040
Speaker 1: off of beating the shit out of Neil Darius. She

2408
01:47:37,120 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 1: was a great fighter himself. But that's that's just what happened.

2409
01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:42,559
Speaker 1: Here's my question to you. I was very surprised by this,

2410
01:47:42,640 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 1: even as someone who has been a believer for sar

2411
01:47:44,600 --> 01:47:46,800
Speaker 1: yuki in for some time, although I've been a daughter

2412
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:49,720
Speaker 1: at times too. Does it make sense to you that

2413
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:53,240
Speaker 1: Charles Olivera is a nearly two to one underdog against

2414
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,880
Speaker 1: arminsar Yuki in what what's the story behind that?

2415
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:00,120
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's one of those things that I

2416
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:02,559
Speaker 3: don't get either, because it's not like.

2417
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:06,919
Speaker 1: Charles Olivera what who he lost to Islam? Right? Soundly, soundly,

2418
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 1: but I mean still it's Islam. So you can gave

2419
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:12,720
Speaker 1: Islam a much tougher fight in his UFC debut.

2420
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 4: True, which is why you want to see it again

2421
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:14,960
Speaker 4: at somewhere.

2422
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:19,639
Speaker 3: But I would certainly, I would certainly put Olivera as

2423
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:21,840
Speaker 3: the older guy, even though he's got all these records

2424
01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:24,599
Speaker 3: and he continues to be who he is even better

2425
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,160
Speaker 3: in some cases as an underdog in this fight. I

2426
01:48:27,200 --> 01:48:29,760
Speaker 3: just think that Serukian is that good, and I think

2427
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:31,880
Speaker 3: the perception if you go back and watch, I think

2428
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:33,559
Speaker 3: it's he's that good even though he has the game

2429
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,680
Speaker 3: raight that you know, there's a couple of losses on

2430
01:48:35,720 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 3: his record, but they're just they're against other monsters, and

2431
01:48:39,320 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 3: there are certain points of his career like the Islam

2432
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:43,720
Speaker 3: one you mentioned, being so so I think that that

2433
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 3: he's an underdog, but I would not put him no

2434
01:48:47,479 --> 01:48:48,840
Speaker 3: way that I would make it a two to one.

2435
01:48:49,040 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 3: I just Charles Olivera has made a career out of

2436
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:54,479
Speaker 3: just crumpling up people's parlays like that, hasn't he like

2437
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:55,320
Speaker 3: he's made a.

2438
01:48:55,320 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 1: Career of doing Yes, also he has early in his career.

2439
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 1: He made a career out of fumbling and collapsing and crumbling.

2440
01:49:03,080 --> 01:49:05,680
Speaker 1: It's just that the more recent version is been that

2441
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:08,639
Speaker 1: marketsha a fight notwithstanding none of those things, BC, are

2442
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 1: you surprised about the odds on this one?

2443
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,679
Speaker 2: Shocked? Shocked. They've done messed up here, and what they're

2444
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,600
Speaker 2: probably going to end up doing is give like we

2445
01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 2: were talking about with Holloway, where he's been absorbing the

2446
01:49:18,200 --> 01:49:21,000
Speaker 2: negative feelings of those who are like, oh man, I

2447
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 2: don't want to see my beloved guy get beat up.

2448
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:25,400
Speaker 2: I think they're going to light a fire under olivera

2449
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:28,679
Speaker 2: because I know that. You know, when fighters try to

2450
01:49:28,720 --> 01:49:31,599
Speaker 2: pass off a loss with a reason, we always call

2451
01:49:31,640 --> 01:49:34,200
Speaker 2: it excuse making. But when he was on the streak,

2452
01:49:34,240 --> 01:49:36,920
Speaker 2: he was on, and then he lost in sort of

2453
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 2: the hull home, you know, dominance style against Mahachev, it

2454
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 2: was like, damn, the air just came out of the balloon.

2455
01:49:44,040 --> 01:49:46,760
Speaker 2: So when he says afterwards, look like it was a

2456
01:49:46,760 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 2: bad night, it was one bad ten minute stretch. But

2457
01:49:50,280 --> 01:49:53,439
Speaker 2: I'm still that guy. What he showed me against Darry

2458
01:49:53,479 --> 01:49:56,599
Speaker 2: Yush is he's still that fricking guy. And then he

2459
01:49:56,720 --> 01:49:59,640
Speaker 2: misses out on his scheduled chance to get back in

2460
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:02,880
Speaker 2: their redeem himself because of injury, and now has to

2461
01:50:02,920 --> 01:50:05,680
Speaker 2: go through this absolute killer and you're gonna make him

2462
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:08,720
Speaker 2: a huge underdog. To what Chuck said, he lives for this.

2463
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 2: He lives to dye his hair gray, show up at

2464
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 2: your party, not give a damn about what's on tap,

2465
01:50:14,600 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 2: because he's taken your girl home anyway, and that's the

2466
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 2: only reason why he's here. This is very interesting. It's

2467
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 2: also interesting that both guys are coming off finish wins

2468
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 2: against Benil Dearry Yush and both are hoping to secure

2469
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:29,639
Speaker 2: rematches against Machev. It's sort of weird synergy right there.

2470
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 2: But sar yuki In is very good. The knockout loss

2471
01:50:34,200 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 2: to the knockout win against dery Yush teased us that

2472
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:39,599
Speaker 2: he might be great, that he might have rounded out,

2473
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,320
Speaker 2: But that's such a small sample size to have that

2474
01:50:42,360 --> 01:50:44,880
Speaker 2: full confidence that he's still not going to be in

2475
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 2: a position where he can make that one mistake and

2476
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 2: that's all OLIVERA. Needs, and especially if he makes that

2477
01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 2: one mistake within chaos, who's better at navigating chaos than

2478
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:57,080
Speaker 2: the champion who.

2479
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:01,439
Speaker 1: You navigating navigating Charles Lavera is the author of chaos

2480
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:03,160
Speaker 1: much less we navigate where.

2481
01:51:03,040 --> 01:51:05,840
Speaker 2: He lives, that's where he resides. I think this is

2482
01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:10,040
Speaker 2: really weird unless they are aggressively trying to induce betting

2483
01:51:10,040 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 2: in ways that I just don't understand. But partly, yes,

2484
01:51:12,600 --> 01:51:13,360
Speaker 2: put your money on this.

2485
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:16,080
Speaker 1: Partly, of course, lines are designed, no matter who puts them,

2486
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:17,720
Speaker 1: of course, to induce betting. Yes, of course that's the

2487
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:21,720
Speaker 1: thing that we know. But I do feel like I mean,

2488
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:23,160
Speaker 1: on the one hand, it's like I've been a believer

2489
01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:25,400
Speaker 1: in saryuki in for long. There's been times where I

2490
01:51:25,479 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 1: was like, well, so, for example, I was lowered he

2491
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 1: was going to have trouble against this mcgoulav and he

2492
01:51:29,880 --> 01:51:32,000
Speaker 1: overran him. And then I thought he would do well

2493
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:34,439
Speaker 1: against Matato Shamrot and it was he lost that one.

2494
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:37,280
Speaker 1: It was very competitive. I've just not been sure about

2495
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:40,160
Speaker 1: some of his striking defense and whatnot. Also, I'll say this, Chuck,

2496
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:43,200
Speaker 1: you know, I was tweeting about this morning.

2497
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:44,640
Speaker 2: Up.

2498
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:47,680
Speaker 1: No one has ever recorded a submission attempt on him.

2499
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they actually didn't try. But to get

2500
01:51:49,080 --> 01:51:51,000
Speaker 1: a subission attempt, like you have to get a bite

2501
01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:52,880
Speaker 1: on the choke or a bite on the heel hook.

2502
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 1: No one's ever actually done that. In fact, the only

2503
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:57,400
Speaker 1: guy who got kind of close it not even really him,

2504
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:00,680
Speaker 1: was Dovey Homos twenty fifteen gold medals at ADCC. But

2505
01:52:00,720 --> 01:52:02,960
Speaker 1: he's a top game that a bottom game guy like

2506
01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 1: Charles Lavera. What does he do? He goes full guard underneath,

2507
01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:08,800
Speaker 1: he opens it up, people stand, they go to throw,

2508
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:13,599
Speaker 1: and then he's diving underneath for deep half or he's

2509
01:52:13,600 --> 01:52:17,639
Speaker 1: doing leg entanglements of some kind, he's reaping whatever fact

2510
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:20,799
Speaker 1: of the matter is. I'm not in any way saying

2511
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,000
Speaker 1: so you can can't beat that, chuck. But what I

2512
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:25,400
Speaker 1: am saying is show me the guy on the list

2513
01:52:25,439 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 1: that he beat that does that. They don't exist.

2514
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:30,599
Speaker 3: I don't think Olivera is really known for actually finishing

2515
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:32,439
Speaker 3: guys through submission though, right like no, but.

2516
01:52:32,400 --> 01:52:35,280
Speaker 1: He can take the back or I mean, yeh, what

2517
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying he's I mean, what I mean is he's

2518
01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 1: a submission guy. He's got the most right, but he's

2519
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:41,439
Speaker 1: also a dual threats both of those things.

2520
01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that he could put And I'm sure

2521
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:46,680
Speaker 3: this is part of their thing, like, hey, people are

2522
01:52:46,720 --> 01:52:49,080
Speaker 3: seeing this guy who's really good at these elements, but

2523
01:52:49,120 --> 01:52:51,120
Speaker 3: they haven't seen him fending off what we can do,

2524
01:52:51,200 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And I think that that

2525
01:52:53,360 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 3: has to play into the psychology of this fight. And

2526
01:52:55,880 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 3: I would you be surprised at all if OLIVERA has

2527
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:01,639
Speaker 3: him in a horrible position, you'd be like, Okay, wait,

2528
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 3: here's the one thing we didn't know. We didn't know

2529
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:05,639
Speaker 3: how he'd react. I feel like that that's a very

2530
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:09,559
Speaker 3: real thing that could happen. Yes, now, if he goes

2531
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:12,120
Speaker 3: in there and Charles is trying to do that and

2532
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:16,840
Speaker 3: Sarukin shuts it down, I mean, I think that you're

2533
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:18,720
Speaker 3: now looking at a guy that does start to look

2534
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 3: like cause the question marks that we have or more

2535
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:23,680
Speaker 3: in that realm. And I think he starts to answer this.

2536
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:25,519
Speaker 3: It's almost like the John Jones back in the day

2537
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:28,040
Speaker 3: when he never been hit. I didn't know certain things

2538
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:30,360
Speaker 3: about him, and then we saw the Gustafson fight. He

2539
01:53:30,400 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 3: gets clocked. He was able to come back in that fight.

2540
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:35,800
Speaker 3: This could be an informative fight, and if nothing else,

2541
01:53:35,800 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 3: it'd be an informative fight about how good Sarukin is,

2542
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 3: if he's able to get by, how does he do it?

2543
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:42,160
Speaker 3: And was he put into those positions? How do he

2544
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:42,559
Speaker 3: handle them?

2545
01:53:42,640 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 1: Right?

2546
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:44,720
Speaker 4: There's a lot of information to be had here. This

2547
01:53:44,760 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 4: is my point BC.

2548
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm not in any way suggesting saryuki In can't or

2549
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:49,919
Speaker 1: won't win again. He's a two to one favorite. Basically,

2550
01:53:50,479 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 1: what I am saying is if it goes to the

2551
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:54,360
Speaker 1: ground and the leg ententanglements start like in the Kevin

2552
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:56,880
Speaker 1: Lee fight and the Michael Chandler fight that Olivera had

2553
01:53:57,400 --> 01:54:00,960
Speaker 1: and Saryukin defeats, that he will have. I've defeated something

2554
01:54:01,000 --> 01:54:03,639
Speaker 1: we've not seen him do before. That's the point I'm

2555
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:06,920
Speaker 1: trying to make. It's a new level of hurdle that

2556
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:10,720
Speaker 1: Olivera's faced guys kind of like SARYUKIV. Saryuki In has

2557
01:54:10,840 --> 01:54:13,719
Speaker 1: not fought guys like all period exactly.

2558
01:54:14,120 --> 01:54:16,320
Speaker 2: That's why it's hard to take the one sample size

2559
01:54:16,360 --> 01:54:19,400
Speaker 2: of true greatness, which was that Derry Us fight. He's

2560
01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:21,720
Speaker 2: shown flashes. He looked good in a very close but

2561
01:54:21,800 --> 01:54:25,680
Speaker 2: disputed when over gamrock, But we need to see that consistently.

2562
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:28,360
Speaker 2: What these odds suggests to me is that there's the

2563
01:54:28,360 --> 01:54:30,559
Speaker 2: belief that he's going to take olivera down with ease,

2564
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:33,360
Speaker 2: which may happen at times due to his wrestling advantage,

2565
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:36,320
Speaker 2: but not be in danger. Just deliver, you know, the

2566
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:38,760
Speaker 2: kind of violent round and pound that can finish a

2567
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,800
Speaker 2: fight within a minute. This is Charles Olavera we're talking

2568
01:54:41,800 --> 01:54:44,080
Speaker 2: about here. So, yeah, really intrigued. And by the way,

2569
01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:46,280
Speaker 2: I mean, we've done this little bit of debate on

2570
01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:48,240
Speaker 2: Morning Combat in the last few weeks a couple of times.

2571
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 2: Oh wait, maybe we didn't really have a show up.

2572
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:51,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we're probably just debating when we were

2573
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 1: crying over took text to each other.

2574
01:54:53,800 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the whole idea that like this might actually

2575
01:54:56,920 --> 01:54:58,440
Speaker 2: be the best fight on the cart. Yes, like it

2576
01:54:58,520 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 2: might actually be.

2577
01:54:59,800 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: It's it's tough because it's a three rounder, and so

2578
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:05,120
Speaker 1: it limits the scope of what's possible. But yes, pound

2579
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 1: for pound.

2580
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,720
Speaker 2: But like so much at stake styles clash in a

2581
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:11,400
Speaker 2: way that we wanted to. And maybe then you know

2582
01:55:11,720 --> 01:55:14,680
Speaker 2: all that disgust I had for how this three hundred

2583
01:55:14,720 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 2: card ended up looking. Imagine if we get this being

2584
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 2: a mini classic that leads into the Holloway versus gay

2585
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:25,960
Speaker 2: Chee guaranteed classic. Then you get your smoke break during

2586
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:29,280
Speaker 2: the coalmine for history for China, and then what if

2587
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:31,560
Speaker 2: the main event ends in a knockout, which it's just

2588
01:55:31,600 --> 01:55:34,480
Speaker 2: about guaranteed to do. Yeah, this could be a really

2589
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:35,680
Speaker 2: really great night at they all.

2590
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:38,840
Speaker 1: I'll say this though, and I'm not trying to jinx,

2591
01:55:39,480 --> 01:55:42,040
Speaker 1: but MMA is Listen. If there's one thing that you

2592
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:43,800
Speaker 1: pick up watching MMA as long as you and I

2593
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 1: have been watching it in BC two, it's fucking weird.

2594
01:55:47,360 --> 01:55:50,720
Speaker 1: It's super unpredictable, dude. If there is, imagine in the

2595
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:52,880
Speaker 1: Nicol fight we'll talk about in a moment here, there's

2596
01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:56,240
Speaker 1: an ipoke, it ends, and then Olavera gets injured, which

2597
01:55:56,600 --> 01:55:57,760
Speaker 1: first round they throw it out.

2598
01:55:57,840 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 4: Trust me, a man, you know what I mean.

2599
01:56:00,000 --> 01:56:02,080
Speaker 1: People lose their mind.

2600
01:56:01,920 --> 01:56:04,720
Speaker 3: Over this, all these potential like barn burners, and they

2601
01:56:04,800 --> 01:56:05,440
Speaker 3: just don't.

2602
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:09,760
Speaker 1: Tych can either be so great so easily or derailed

2603
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:14,200
Speaker 1: so easily. Boxing is not so easily derailed one way

2604
01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:15,640
Speaker 1: or the other like that, you know what I mean.

2605
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 3: And it's not as like it's not like the chain

2606
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:21,080
Speaker 3: right like one to the next. Boxing is usually kind

2607
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:23,440
Speaker 3: of like you're waiting for the end, right, and generally speaking,

2608
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:27,000
Speaker 3: people shop yes, yeah, but I mean so often it's

2609
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 3: happened on paper. You're like, oh my god, this can't

2610
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:32,160
Speaker 3: miss and then it's like you get some first off

2611
01:56:32,200 --> 01:56:33,760
Speaker 3: like some weird thing, and then the second one is

2612
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:36,480
Speaker 3: just antiklomatic, and you just go down the wrong way.

2613
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:39,480
Speaker 1: You see last question on this Armin's are ukid If

2614
01:56:39,520 --> 01:56:42,240
Speaker 1: he does break through, if he proves he is that guy,

2615
01:56:43,600 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 1: he's the first one. I guess Makachev is really the

2616
01:56:46,200 --> 01:56:48,880
Speaker 1: first one, but he would be the second one of

2617
01:56:48,920 --> 01:56:51,640
Speaker 1: the new classes of the V's and the z's. So

2618
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 1: I mean he's Armenian, but he's Russian, he's both, but

2619
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:56,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, those guys coming out of

2620
01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:58,320
Speaker 1: that part of the world. He would be the first

2621
01:56:58,320 --> 01:57:01,760
Speaker 1: one after Makachev to begin to connect the dots and breakthrough,

2622
01:57:01,800 --> 01:57:03,440
Speaker 1: would you not? Who am I forgetting?

2623
01:57:03,480 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 2: Would?

2624
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2625
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 2: No, he absolutely would. And he would also really be

2626
01:57:07,160 --> 01:57:10,200
Speaker 2: a strong move to the idea of this division finally

2627
01:57:10,280 --> 01:57:13,200
Speaker 2: sort of reloading and resetting itself, and not that it

2628
01:57:13,280 --> 01:57:16,760
Speaker 2: necessarily has needed it, because this great group of elders

2629
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:19,080
Speaker 2: are among the greatest action stars in the sports history,

2630
01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 2: as we've established, But it is that idea of that

2631
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,520
Speaker 2: next generation coming in, and Machev's part of that, even

2632
01:57:24,520 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 2: though he's obviously older. But it would be interesting. But

2633
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:30,520
Speaker 2: here's what's interesting in terms of how we are handicapping

2634
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,680
Speaker 2: who gets the next title shot based on potential performances.

2635
01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 2: I wonder though, if he has the worst chance out

2636
01:57:36,160 --> 01:57:40,120
Speaker 2: of everybody, even if he stopped Olivera, of getting the

2637
01:57:40,200 --> 01:57:42,360
Speaker 2: shot at the title next just because of how strong

2638
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:44,840
Speaker 2: the pay per view brands are for Pourier and for

2639
01:57:45,040 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 2: either Gaigee or Holloway. Whereas on the flip side, I

2640
01:57:48,200 --> 01:57:51,280
Speaker 2: think if Olivera, as an underdog here can come in,

2641
01:57:51,600 --> 01:57:54,040
Speaker 2: make it a little bit of a war, create some chaos,

2642
01:57:54,120 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 2: and then submit him on the ground after a mistake,

2643
01:57:57,640 --> 01:57:59,760
Speaker 2: that might be his ticket to cut ahead in front

2644
01:57:59,760 --> 01:58:02,240
Speaker 2: of the those names, because at that point he would

2645
01:58:02,240 --> 01:58:03,400
Speaker 2: be more deserving.

2646
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:09,120
Speaker 1: Right right, especially because Poorer having beat uh Saint denis right, like,

2647
01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:10,080
Speaker 1: it's very similar.

2648
01:58:10,200 --> 01:58:12,360
Speaker 3: It'd be it'd be very similar to what Charles did.

2649
01:58:12,360 --> 01:58:15,000
Speaker 3: If he's able to do that, they'd basically have performed

2650
01:58:15,040 --> 01:58:18,040
Speaker 3: a same function, like a very similar function beating the

2651
01:58:18,040 --> 01:58:20,320
Speaker 3: guy who's supposed to come up and wreck the division. Like,

2652
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:22,880
Speaker 3: so that's gonna be tough, man, if it is all

2653
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:24,400
Speaker 3: of it, it's gonna be tough for the UFC to

2654
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:25,360
Speaker 3: to figure this thing out.

2655
01:58:25,640 --> 01:58:27,160
Speaker 4: They've got some good options, they do.

2656
01:58:27,640 --> 01:58:29,920
Speaker 3: I guess that's that's really the main thing, right, Like,

2657
01:58:29,960 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 3: you've got a lot of great options.

2658
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:33,080
Speaker 1: We didn't. We didn't even get to this. If Max

2659
01:58:33,120 --> 01:58:37,400
Speaker 1: Holloway finishes off justin Gaechee and let's say Saryukian wins,

2660
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:40,600
Speaker 1: but it's very pedestrian and boring or otherwise controversial in

2661
01:58:40,600 --> 01:58:43,880
Speaker 1: some way that's not satisfying. Is Max all Away gonna

2662
01:58:43,880 --> 01:58:45,560
Speaker 1: get a fucking title shot of one fifty five?

2663
01:58:45,960 --> 01:58:48,920
Speaker 3: Well that's the other option, yes, right as the way

2664
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:50,600
Speaker 3: as the BMF champ.

2665
01:58:51,320 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 1: What it's possible, it's possible, It is possible. All right,

2666
01:58:54,520 --> 01:58:56,960
Speaker 1: it's wild b C last fight on the main car,

2667
01:58:57,040 --> 01:58:58,760
Speaker 1: then we'll go rapid fire through the prelim carcause we've

2668
01:58:58,760 --> 01:59:02,040
Speaker 1: already gone two hours. Why the fuck did everyone lose

2669
01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:04,360
Speaker 1: their mind about Bo Nickel being on the main car?

2670
01:59:04,520 --> 01:59:05,360
Speaker 1: What the hell's going on?

2671
01:59:06,240 --> 01:59:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's because of that guarantee from Dana that every

2672
01:59:10,200 --> 01:59:12,720
Speaker 2: fight would be a banger, and I think it's because

2673
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:15,440
Speaker 2: this is the temperature I'm getting from the fans. They

2674
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:17,760
Speaker 2: wanted a bigger name, They wanted this fight to be

2675
01:59:17,800 --> 01:59:20,360
Speaker 2: the one where he makes that leap, if not into

2676
01:59:20,400 --> 01:59:23,440
Speaker 2: the actual sort of top ten to fifteen window, but

2677
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:27,160
Speaker 2: like a name that to them meant more of a

2678
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:29,480
Speaker 2: stiff challenge. But like, if you really look at the

2679
01:59:30,280 --> 01:59:32,480
Speaker 2: growth of Bow, like, look, I've argued from day one

2680
01:59:32,520 --> 01:59:34,720
Speaker 2: that Bow is such a special and unique talent and

2681
01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:37,440
Speaker 2: does seem to have these certain intangibles that are so

2682
01:59:37,600 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 2: jacked up that I made the argument that if you

2683
01:59:39,600 --> 01:59:42,600
Speaker 2: wanted to really push him, like he could go into

2684
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:45,560
Speaker 2: a title shot very early before he even remotely deserved it,

2685
01:59:45,600 --> 01:59:49,120
Speaker 2: just because he's so potentially great. But the smart way

2686
01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:52,320
Speaker 2: is to match him in an escalating fashion, which they've done.

2687
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,720
Speaker 2: They they made him take a second crack at the

2688
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:57,440
Speaker 2: Dana Way Contender series just to kind of boost their

2689
01:59:57,560 --> 02:00:00,840
Speaker 2: ratings and kind of continue that build. Why is Cody

2690
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:03,480
Speaker 2: Brundage a horrible fight? He's on a two fight win streak.

2691
02:00:03,760 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 2: He's an all action guy, which is really the what

2692
02:00:06,920 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 2: we really need to see out of Bow is not

2693
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:12,800
Speaker 2: another brilliant transition from grappling to submission and get a win,

2694
02:00:12,920 --> 02:00:15,960
Speaker 2: even though I know he's technically coming off a stoppage

2695
02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:18,400
Speaker 2: due to strikes against the Oh is it val Woodhouse

2696
02:00:18,720 --> 02:00:22,080
Speaker 2: or however whether to yeah, I don't know if we'll

2697
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:24,400
Speaker 2: ever hear it again. This is kind of the style

2698
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:26,480
Speaker 2: I want to see. I want to see someone like

2699
02:00:26,520 --> 02:00:28,640
Speaker 2: Brundage come in their guns blazing and try to make

2700
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:30,760
Speaker 2: it a fight, because we need to find out if

2701
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:35,520
Speaker 2: Pohnickel has the chin, the recouperability, the three round stamina.

2702
02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:38,280
Speaker 2: Should this be a firefight that goes that way. Brundage

2703
02:00:38,320 --> 02:00:40,600
Speaker 2: also has a collegiate wrestling background. I'm not saying he's

2704
02:00:40,600 --> 02:00:42,400
Speaker 2: going to be anywhere close to the level of bow.

2705
02:00:42,680 --> 02:00:45,640
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, this doesn't suck to me. This

2706
02:00:45,720 --> 02:00:48,680
Speaker 2: is how you take a once in a lifetime prospect

2707
02:00:48,720 --> 02:00:53,400
Speaker 2: and truly give him the real promotional build toward when

2708
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:56,320
Speaker 2: that moment hits. He could potentially be a household name

2709
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:59,040
Speaker 2: across America because there does seem to be that it

2710
02:00:59,200 --> 02:01:01,280
Speaker 2: factor with him. Got the cool name, he has the

2711
02:01:01,320 --> 02:01:04,800
Speaker 2: all American rugged looks, and yes he has a grappling

2712
02:01:05,000 --> 02:01:08,680
Speaker 2: to to a grappling game overall from the amateur wrestling

2713
02:01:08,680 --> 02:01:11,200
Speaker 2: and how he reads that into his submission threats that

2714
02:01:11,440 --> 02:01:14,320
Speaker 2: is just beyond I mean, I think it's super elite.

2715
02:01:14,440 --> 02:01:16,160
Speaker 2: I know we all want to see that right now,

2716
02:01:16,280 --> 02:01:18,320
Speaker 2: but let's get there. Let's get there slowly, and he

2717
02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:20,920
Speaker 2: may steal the night. Chuck, you made the question wrong.

2718
02:01:20,960 --> 02:01:21,880
Speaker 2: That listened to the same.

2719
02:01:23,280 --> 02:01:24,920
Speaker 1: If Cozy goes in there and beat Boat Nicol, who's

2720
02:01:24,960 --> 02:01:27,320
Speaker 1: like a minus eight billion favorite, this would be a

2721
02:01:27,720 --> 02:01:29,760
Speaker 1: he would blow his name up in a way that

2722
02:01:29,880 --> 02:01:30,800
Speaker 1: nothing else he could do.

2723
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:34,080
Speaker 3: What Oh my god, that'd be Oh. I feel like

2724
02:01:34,120 --> 02:01:37,280
Speaker 3: that'd be a disaster in some ways. But Brundage and

2725
02:01:37,440 --> 02:01:40,040
Speaker 3: Marcus Brimmage are not that much different in terms of how.

2726
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:41,440
Speaker 4: This is a showcase set up for the guy.

2727
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:44,160
Speaker 3: Right, Like Conor McGregor had Brimmage back of the day,

2728
02:01:44,440 --> 02:01:45,800
Speaker 3: what was he able to do with it? He was

2729
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:48,600
Speaker 3: able to like showcase. I feel like that that's what

2730
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:52,360
Speaker 3: this is. I still remember, at least I think I remember.

2731
02:01:52,440 --> 02:01:54,760
Speaker 3: Didn't he lose Brandage and he lose that fight against

2732
02:01:54,960 --> 02:02:00,000
Speaker 3: Nick Maximov, the Diaz brother, the theas I can't remember, okay,

2733
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:02,200
Speaker 3: But I mean you think about that stuff and I'm like,

2734
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:06,360
Speaker 3: it's Bonnickel gonna do with this guy. I mean, it's

2735
02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:09,000
Speaker 3: just to me, He's gonna tear right through him, and

2736
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:11,720
Speaker 3: I think he is built to do that, like he

2737
02:02:11,800 --> 02:02:14,880
Speaker 3: wants to. He wants to not just beat guys, you know,

2738
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:17,440
Speaker 3: like get by them. He wants to beat them badly

2739
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:19,959
Speaker 3: and show you just how good he is every time out.

2740
02:02:20,200 --> 02:02:22,160
Speaker 3: So I feel like this is just a showcase. But

2741
02:02:22,200 --> 02:02:24,400
Speaker 3: I'm okay with that. You've got so many competitive fight

2742
02:02:24,440 --> 02:02:24,720
Speaker 3: now and.

2743
02:02:24,720 --> 02:02:27,360
Speaker 1: They're so good. Let's have this little showcase moment. Let's

2744
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:29,320
Speaker 1: have this moment where bon nickels. I don't know how

2745
02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:31,920
Speaker 1: good Bonnicchol's gonna be. I don't know, but there's reason

2746
02:02:31,960 --> 02:02:34,920
Speaker 1: to believe he could be extremely good. Let's give him

2747
02:02:34,920 --> 02:02:36,360
Speaker 1: a little bit of a boost. Also, the fight might

2748
02:02:36,440 --> 02:02:38,160
Speaker 1: not go very long, and you've got three top lights

2749
02:02:38,160 --> 02:02:39,720
Speaker 1: at the top. Blah blah blah. All right, I have

2750
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:41,760
Speaker 1: a trading catch up. We gotta do this. Rapid Fire BC.

2751
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:46,960
Speaker 1: Rapid Fire Alexander Rakitch returns against Yuriy Prohotchka BC. He

2752
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:51,080
Speaker 1: hasn't been back in two years. Basically, give me the

2753
02:02:51,400 --> 02:02:53,879
Speaker 1: what your expectations are for Rakitch on Saturday.

2754
02:02:54,920 --> 02:02:57,120
Speaker 2: I think he gets knocked out by and that's a

2755
02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:00,480
Speaker 2: bold statement right there, But I think it's he's gonna

2756
02:03:00,520 --> 02:03:04,040
Speaker 2: this the wrong opponent who's so unpredictable and explosive. And

2757
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:05,720
Speaker 2: by the way, we do we know, do you guys

2758
02:03:05,800 --> 02:03:10,440
Speaker 2: realize how tightly wound and wired pro Hoska is he had.

2759
02:03:10,480 --> 02:03:13,120
Speaker 2: He knows he needs a redemption, He knows he needs

2760
02:03:13,120 --> 02:03:15,880
Speaker 2: the big the big stamp and the big hammer to

2761
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:19,600
Speaker 2: remind people that he's probably could easily still be atop

2762
02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:22,360
Speaker 2: this division had things just turned another way for him.

2763
02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:24,520
Speaker 2: I fear for wreckage in this spot. Even though he

2764
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:26,880
Speaker 2: is a very controlled and technical guy at times and

2765
02:03:27,160 --> 02:03:30,560
Speaker 2: isn't overly reckless. Prohashka forces it out of you, and

2766
02:03:30,640 --> 02:03:32,960
Speaker 2: I expect Yearie to be going on. I mean, if

2767
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:35,160
Speaker 2: he comes in, guys, if he comes in with the

2768
02:03:35,200 --> 02:03:36,360
Speaker 2: shaved head and the pony.

2769
02:03:36,120 --> 02:03:38,840
Speaker 1: Tails and the Wi Fi antenna.

2770
02:03:39,480 --> 02:03:42,280
Speaker 2: Go all in on the check man, Now, go all

2771
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:44,200
Speaker 2: in on it. Okay, I got fears.

2772
02:03:43,840 --> 02:03:47,440
Speaker 1: For rackage, Okay. Chuck Calvncator al Jamaine Sterling. Sterling, the

2773
02:03:47,480 --> 02:03:50,080
Speaker 1: former champion one thirty five, moves up to one forty

2774
02:03:50,120 --> 02:03:52,680
Speaker 1: five and takes on Calvalcator, who I thought was going

2775
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:55,040
Speaker 1: to be completely different after you lost to Max Holloway.

2776
02:03:55,400 --> 02:03:57,680
Speaker 3: Not the case expectations for this one. I was wondering

2777
02:03:57,720 --> 02:03:59,320
Speaker 3: about that a little bit. I feel like he was

2778
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:01,760
Speaker 3: altered in that. But I know he's looked good fight,

2779
02:04:01,800 --> 02:04:03,400
Speaker 3: but he's I feel like he's managed it.

2780
02:04:03,520 --> 02:04:04,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's managed it.

2781
02:04:05,720 --> 02:04:08,920
Speaker 3: I feel like this is a big moment for Colfuncator

2782
02:04:08,960 --> 02:04:11,200
Speaker 3: because if he loses, I say, you know, what is that?

2783
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:12,440
Speaker 1: Like four out of five?

2784
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:14,200
Speaker 3: And it's just for where we had that guy, at

2785
02:04:14,280 --> 02:04:16,520
Speaker 3: least I did. I thought he was going to be sustainable,

2786
02:04:16,640 --> 02:04:18,640
Speaker 3: was going to make a good run in the division

2787
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:20,600
Speaker 3: and be there for a long time. I didn't see

2788
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:22,160
Speaker 3: him precipitously falling.

2789
02:04:21,880 --> 02:04:24,160
Speaker 4: Off like this. But dude, this is a tough draw.

2790
02:04:24,520 --> 02:04:26,560
Speaker 3: I think that Sterling could have been at this wait

2791
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:29,840
Speaker 3: a long time ago, and I think Sterling is that good,

2792
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:31,360
Speaker 3: So I think it's a tough one.

2793
02:04:31,360 --> 02:04:33,760
Speaker 1: Man. His backpacking is almost second to none in the

2794
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:38,800
Speaker 1: entire ufc BC. Is Kayla Harrison's weight cut going to

2795
02:04:38,840 --> 02:04:40,800
Speaker 1: cause her to lose to Holly holm.

2796
02:04:42,440 --> 02:04:45,480
Speaker 2: Man? That's that's that's the key question. I mean, is

2797
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:48,920
Speaker 2: it crazy? It is crazy? I guess I'm this is

2798
02:04:48,920 --> 02:04:51,160
Speaker 2: almost the fight that I'm like the third or fourth

2799
02:04:51,240 --> 02:04:54,240
Speaker 2: most intrigued on this entire card. Like this storyline to me,

2800
02:04:54,800 --> 02:04:57,400
Speaker 2: dominates the prelimbs in terms of what I care about.

2801
02:04:57,600 --> 02:05:00,440
Speaker 2: It comes down to that question. I say that Kayla

2802
02:05:00,480 --> 02:05:03,360
Speaker 2: Harrison is next level special. Now, that doesn't mean that

2803
02:05:03,400 --> 02:05:06,400
Speaker 2: her body won't give out and force either you know,

2804
02:05:06,440 --> 02:05:09,800
Speaker 2: a performance that left something to be desired, or maybe

2805
02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:12,520
Speaker 2: the fight falls apartment of scales. I hope now, God forbid.

2806
02:05:12,920 --> 02:05:15,640
Speaker 2: I do think though, that like it's very few people

2807
02:05:15,640 --> 02:05:17,440
Speaker 2: that could take on the challenge that she has here.

2808
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:21,160
Speaker 2: Almost everyone would have gone to the UFC and said, Okay,

2809
02:05:21,400 --> 02:05:23,480
Speaker 2: I think there's still a one forty five title, right

2810
02:05:23,520 --> 02:05:26,000
Speaker 2: Amanda gave it up and we've never talked about it again.

2811
02:05:26,360 --> 02:05:28,680
Speaker 2: Why am I not fighting for that right now? Against

2812
02:05:28,680 --> 02:05:31,800
Speaker 2: Home or GDR or I don't know, insert anybody. The

2813
02:05:31,880 --> 02:05:34,160
Speaker 2: fact that she said, whether it was you know, the

2814
02:05:34,200 --> 02:05:37,280
Speaker 2: only option or not. The fact that she said, Okay,

2815
02:05:36,800 --> 02:05:39,480
Speaker 2: this is my chance to do what I've been saying

2816
02:05:39,480 --> 02:05:42,920
Speaker 2: into a microphone since her pro debut, that she's not

2817
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:45,400
Speaker 2: here to be good or just a champion. She's here

2818
02:05:45,400 --> 02:05:47,720
Speaker 2: to be the greatest of all time. I don't know

2819
02:05:47,720 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 2: if she can ever get there. I don't know if

2820
02:05:50,160 --> 02:05:52,320
Speaker 2: she could even make this weight or beat Holly Holme,

2821
02:05:52,360 --> 02:05:55,600
Speaker 2: although Kayla is a monster favorite on the odds, and

2822
02:05:55,640 --> 02:05:58,080
Speaker 2: that surprised me to some degree. Although I'm not trying

2823
02:05:58,080 --> 02:06:00,320
Speaker 2: to pretend that Holly Holme is still, you know, twenty

2824
02:06:00,480 --> 02:06:04,080
Speaker 2: sixteen Holly Holme. I just think, yes, she'll find a

2825
02:06:04,120 --> 02:06:05,840
Speaker 2: way to make the way, and I think she's going

2826
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:08,960
Speaker 2: to find a way to make this the best case

2827
02:06:08,960 --> 02:06:11,360
Speaker 2: scenario that it can be for her to announce herself

2828
02:06:11,600 --> 02:06:14,200
Speaker 2: as a title threat in a new division and as

2829
02:06:14,240 --> 02:06:16,520
Speaker 2: a fairly big free agent signing. I'm not saying her

2830
02:06:16,520 --> 02:06:20,040
Speaker 2: free agent signing moved the needle in like a inter Netflix,

2831
02:06:20,200 --> 02:06:23,400
Speaker 2: or that people bought tickets just for this fight or storyline.

2832
02:06:23,680 --> 02:06:26,320
Speaker 2: But this is a tall task and I think she's

2833
02:06:26,360 --> 02:06:29,200
Speaker 2: wired exactly to find a way to pull it off.

2834
02:06:29,280 --> 02:06:29,880
Speaker 1: And real quick.

2835
02:06:29,960 --> 02:06:31,880
Speaker 3: Just to go back to his original point about Poitier

2836
02:06:31,960 --> 02:06:35,560
Speaker 3: and strength of schedule, it's a hat tip to Holly

2837
02:06:35,600 --> 02:06:38,280
Speaker 3: Holme when you really think about all the people she's fought,

2838
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:40,680
Speaker 3: like she's fought, She's the one who's fought the who's who, right,

2839
02:06:41,080 --> 02:06:45,800
Speaker 3: Cyborg Valentina, Mishanda misha It goes down now, Holly Home,

2840
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:48,000
Speaker 3: you know Rhonda back in thebod.

2841
02:06:48,240 --> 02:06:49,560
Speaker 4: Oh them just fought them all.

2842
02:06:49,600 --> 02:06:53,200
Speaker 1: It's crazy. He's competing at UFC three hundred and she's

2843
02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:55,560
Speaker 1: in the Boxing Hall of Fame. I know. Fuck your life, dude,

2844
02:06:55,600 --> 02:07:00,520
Speaker 1: Holly Holmes an athlete. Uh, true or false? Chuck sadik

2845
02:07:00,640 --> 02:07:03,080
Speaker 1: Us versus Diego Lopez is the most slept on final

2846
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:06,320
Speaker 1: on this card. I think that's true. I think haven't

2847
02:07:06,360 --> 02:07:08,120
Speaker 1: really talked about a lot. By the way, I can

2848
02:07:08,200 --> 02:07:10,040
Speaker 1: report that this one was announced before it was signed.

2849
02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:12,680
Speaker 1: It's signed now, so no big deal. Yeah, but uh,

2850
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:15,280
Speaker 1: this fight is going to fucking bang, I know, man,

2851
02:07:15,320 --> 02:07:18,120
Speaker 1: and coming off that loss, ye Borboza has a lot

2852
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:18,480
Speaker 1: to prove.

2853
02:07:19,480 --> 02:07:20,960
Speaker 4: I love Sadeik Yusif in this fight.

2854
02:07:22,240 --> 02:07:24,720
Speaker 1: I just I don't know what it is many a

2855
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:27,440
Speaker 1: fe I know, man, but I just I think that Uh,

2856
02:07:27,880 --> 02:07:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

2857
02:07:28,600 --> 02:07:30,320
Speaker 3: I'm just feeling it for Yusuf. I think he's I

2858
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:31,560
Speaker 3: think he shows up and gets it done.

2859
02:07:32,440 --> 02:07:36,080
Speaker 1: BC Jalen Turner versus Hanato Waikano. Does it go the

2860
02:07:36,120 --> 02:07:37,760
Speaker 1: distance or not? You like this?

2861
02:07:37,880 --> 02:07:39,280
Speaker 2: It does not go the distance?

2862
02:07:39,320 --> 02:07:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that does.

2863
02:07:40,360 --> 02:07:44,200
Speaker 2: I think if you guys been noticing the personality change,

2864
02:07:44,280 --> 02:07:46,960
Speaker 2: the not that he will turn for money Moikano, but

2865
02:07:47,120 --> 02:07:49,440
Speaker 2: just really ever since that, remember that All Action fight

2866
02:07:49,680 --> 02:07:51,880
Speaker 2: that he lost that he took on short notice? What what? What?

2867
02:07:51,920 --> 02:07:52,320
Speaker 2: Who was that?

2868
02:07:52,400 --> 02:07:52,800
Speaker 1: Our da?

2869
02:07:52,840 --> 02:07:53,560
Speaker 2: What opponent was that?

2870
02:07:53,600 --> 02:07:57,000
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember who was this Makanokano was in

2871
02:07:57,040 --> 02:07:59,040
Speaker 1: that fight where he got beat up and he wouldn't quit.

2872
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:01,440
Speaker 2: Ever since that moment, I feel like we've seen this

2873
02:08:01,600 --> 02:08:04,440
Speaker 2: trying character change where he's taken all the.

2874
02:08:04,640 --> 02:08:06,920
Speaker 1: Dover and Riddell or his last two wins. He lost

2875
02:08:06,920 --> 02:08:09,040
Speaker 1: to dos Angos, then it.

2876
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:11,640
Speaker 2: Was the RDA fight. I'm talking about his ability to

2877
02:08:11,680 --> 02:08:14,360
Speaker 2: bounce back from that, not just the beating he took

2878
02:08:14,400 --> 02:08:16,920
Speaker 2: during that stretch when he was actively trying to be great,

2879
02:08:17,160 --> 02:08:19,800
Speaker 2: but his character development on his new podcast and the

2880
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:22,920
Speaker 2: person he is on the microphone. He's crazy, he's a

2881
02:08:22,920 --> 02:08:25,200
Speaker 2: hot head, he makes fights fun. This is not the

2882
02:08:25,240 --> 02:08:27,240
Speaker 2: same guy that lost to Ortega back in the day.

2883
02:08:27,440 --> 02:08:29,960
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if he has an opportunity here against a

2884
02:08:30,040 --> 02:08:32,560
Speaker 2: very tough out and Jalen Turner to get the type

2885
02:08:32,560 --> 02:08:36,080
Speaker 2: of stoppage win that really swerves and moves the crowd.

2886
02:08:36,320 --> 02:08:38,640
Speaker 2: I expect if that happens, his post fight interview will

2887
02:08:38,640 --> 02:08:41,280
Speaker 2: be an absolute banger. And I'm wondering if he's sort

2888
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:44,720
Speaker 2: of kind of quasi sliding into this new fun action

2889
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:46,960
Speaker 2: hero who does crazy shit and we all love it.

2890
02:08:47,000 --> 02:08:49,240
Speaker 2: This could be his platform to really announce that.

2891
02:08:49,480 --> 02:08:51,880
Speaker 3: He's fifteen fights, or maybe this is a fifteenth and

2892
02:08:51,960 --> 02:08:54,280
Speaker 3: people are finally understanding who he is. It's weird the

2893
02:08:54,360 --> 02:08:58,000
Speaker 3: English once you start to stay he's really mastered. English

2894
02:08:58,080 --> 02:09:00,800
Speaker 3: people really paid attention to. It's fun man. Guys who

2895
02:09:01,000 --> 02:09:03,400
Speaker 3: speak confident and broken. The English like him and people

2896
02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:03,760
Speaker 3: love him.

2897
02:09:03,960 --> 02:09:06,920
Speaker 1: Every time. It seems like yeah, Chuck j Justica Androdge

2898
02:09:07,000 --> 02:09:09,560
Speaker 1: versus Brina Hadriguez both the coming off of wins. Finally,

2899
02:09:09,880 --> 02:09:12,120
Speaker 1: not the most exciting fight on this card Onrodge former

2900
02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:15,600
Speaker 1: champion Brina Rodriguez level of interest, I mean, it's not

2901
02:09:15,680 --> 02:09:18,120
Speaker 1: a card fairly compared to the rest of the fights,

2902
02:09:18,360 --> 02:09:19,480
Speaker 1: probably not that high.

2903
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:22,760
Speaker 3: But I do think that it's probably the right fight

2904
02:09:22,840 --> 02:09:25,080
Speaker 3: for where they're at, and I think that for Androge,

2905
02:09:25,120 --> 02:09:28,280
Speaker 3: especially who's again, she's fought Who's who. But if she

2906
02:09:28,360 --> 02:09:31,280
Speaker 3: wants to stay in that relevant any in that relevance,

2907
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:32,560
Speaker 3: I think she's got to win this one, you know

2908
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:32,920
Speaker 3: what I mean?

2909
02:09:33,360 --> 02:09:36,160
Speaker 1: BC, Bobby Green versus Jim Miller. Is Jim Miller going

2910
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:40,600
Speaker 1: to get announced as Jim fucking Miller by by Bruce Buffer?

2911
02:09:40,640 --> 02:09:42,320
Speaker 1: What do you think? No? He won.

2912
02:09:42,440 --> 02:09:44,800
Speaker 2: Bruce Buffer's too stubborn, too proud. You can tell by

2913
02:09:44,840 --> 02:09:46,760
Speaker 2: the designs of his suits and how it changes them

2914
02:09:46,760 --> 02:09:48,880
Speaker 2: every three fights on a paper view that he ain't

2915
02:09:48,920 --> 02:09:53,840
Speaker 2: budgeting in this case one day for saying that. But

2916
02:09:54,320 --> 02:09:56,440
Speaker 2: I love this fight, guys, it is going to produce

2917
02:09:56,480 --> 02:09:59,160
Speaker 2: I think just a fun feeling. I think it turns

2918
02:09:59,200 --> 02:10:01,640
Speaker 2: into a great action fight. Bobby Green loves to keep

2919
02:10:01,640 --> 02:10:04,400
Speaker 2: the hands down and be that close to getting kot

2920
02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:06,640
Speaker 2: only to do the same to you. I think that

2921
02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:08,880
Speaker 2: coming off of that loss to Jalen Turner, after that

2922
02:10:08,920 --> 02:10:11,200
Speaker 2: wind streak where he had that little he was kind

2923
02:10:11,200 --> 02:10:13,400
Speaker 2: of playing with house money for a bit, was Bobby Green.

2924
02:10:13,640 --> 02:10:15,320
Speaker 2: I think he looks at this as a chance to

2925
02:10:15,680 --> 02:10:18,360
Speaker 2: remind people that he's still a fun draw and a threat.

2926
02:10:19,120 --> 02:10:21,480
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't, you know, turn into a grinding affair,

2927
02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:24,160
Speaker 2: but this will be fun. Shout out to Jim Miller.

2928
02:10:24,680 --> 02:10:26,720
Speaker 2: We've given him his followers so many times. The last

2929
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:28,480
Speaker 2: you know year, and he deserves it, and he's sort

2930
02:10:28,520 --> 02:10:32,600
Speaker 2: of on this retirement tour of like greatness and keeping

2931
02:10:32,680 --> 02:10:35,600
Speaker 2: pushing the UFC records a little bit further. But what

2932
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:37,600
Speaker 2: a blue collar dude man at the end of the day.

2933
02:10:37,680 --> 02:10:40,000
Speaker 2: And it's great to see. And you know, maybe this

2934
02:10:40,080 --> 02:10:42,040
Speaker 2: is why they didn't put brock Lesner on here, because

2935
02:10:42,040 --> 02:10:44,080
Speaker 2: he could have equaled that feet of being at one hundred,

2936
02:10:44,120 --> 02:10:46,000
Speaker 2: two hundred and three hundred. But you know, he's got

2937
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:47,760
Speaker 2: to get his name cleared from being linked in that

2938
02:10:47,840 --> 02:10:50,160
Speaker 2: McMahon lawsuit with like the defecation and like that was

2939
02:10:50,240 --> 02:10:50,960
Speaker 2: really gross.

2940
02:10:51,320 --> 02:10:56,400
Speaker 6: Right you are you are and ejaculating thing you're talking about, Last,

2941
02:10:56,440 --> 02:10:58,560
Speaker 6: but not least, Chuck Devison Figuredo is going to open

2942
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:01,480
Speaker 6: the car take it on Cody garbra Yeah, I know.

2943
02:11:01,960 --> 02:11:03,920
Speaker 1: Will it be a sad day for Hoodie Garbrant?

2944
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:06,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I keep thinking it's going to be a

2945
02:11:06,600 --> 02:11:08,640
Speaker 3: sad day his last couple he's pulled through. But I

2946
02:11:08,640 --> 02:11:11,640
Speaker 3: do think old Figuredo can fucking think.

2947
02:11:10,640 --> 02:11:10,680
Speaker 2: So.

2948
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:14,720
Speaker 3: The problem is I think that with Garbrand's problem is

2949
02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:17,400
Speaker 3: what we were touching on earlier with Chuck Liddell and

2950
02:11:17,400 --> 02:11:20,280
Speaker 3: those types of guys, And you hate to make the accusation,

2951
02:11:20,360 --> 02:11:22,280
Speaker 3: but he's kind of showed that his chin isn't the

2952
02:11:22,320 --> 02:11:24,720
Speaker 3: same and he's been he's done a good job his

2953
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:27,120
Speaker 3: last couple of fights. I just don't know if he's

2954
02:11:27,120 --> 02:11:29,600
Speaker 3: going to be able to avoid a big shot from Figuredo.

2955
02:11:29,720 --> 02:11:31,960
Speaker 4: So yes, it's going to be one of those BC.

2956
02:11:32,240 --> 02:11:34,160
Speaker 1: We love you, We'll be You'll be here next week,

2957
02:11:34,200 --> 02:11:36,120
Speaker 1: tell the viewers all that good stuff. You'll be here,

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Speaker 1: and uh, don't you go dying on me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Luke said, I'll be there next week. And

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Speaker 2: I have to tell you, guys, the difference between the

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Speaker 2: beaches and the lifestyle and the people on the East

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Speaker 2: Coast of Florida compared to the Gulf side is the

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Speaker 2: difference between us doing the show and Jersey City and

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Speaker 2: you guys in that beautiful studio right there in Manhattan.

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Speaker 2: And uh yeah, thanks for having me on from my vacation.

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Speaker 2: Let's just enjoy it. No more negativity. Three hundred is

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Speaker 2: going to bang us in the spots that that we

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Speaker 2: are consensual with and I am so happy and uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, the new MK is upon us at just

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Speaker 2: the right time. Chuck, thank you for being here and

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Speaker 2: being a part of what we do, and thank you

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Speaker 2: guys for including me today. And uh, you know, I

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Speaker 2: got some business to attend to here, so I'll check

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Speaker 2: you guys out, all right.

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Speaker 1: Don't you get eaten by an alligator?

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Speaker 3: Fuck face. I'll see you next week. There he is,

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Speaker 3: next time. Can turn on the air in here a

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Speaker 3: little bit though. It's toasty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a little dude. This is not where Pablo

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Speaker 1: Torri finds out. This is where he freezes out. I

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Speaker 1: mean it is fun, it's cold, it is cool.

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Speaker 3: I was looking at BC's wearing a T shirt and

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Speaker 3: I'm thinking, dude, put a sweater on.

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Speaker 1: Thinking he can feel right now, Chuck, How can folks

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Speaker 1: find your work?

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Speaker 3: We do the Ringer Remima Show with Arieljwani and Pizza

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Speaker 3: Carrol every Thursday before normal weeks, just on normal weeks

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Speaker 3: and Tuesdays on pay per views and then after the

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Speaker 3: pay per views. So we do the podcast and then

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Speaker 3: I write for The Ringer so you can find my

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Speaker 3: bioline and at the Ringer.

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Speaker 1: Man, good to see you're seeing you, man. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you stopping by one more time. For all the

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Speaker 1: folks at home, like and subscribe. Here we are live.

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Speaker 1: We got it done. It's on YouTube, and of course

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Speaker 1: we'll be on the DraftKings Network. We'd love being a

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Speaker 1: part of the DraftKings Network. We'll be on there. I

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Speaker 1: believe we're gonna be airing at five pm East Coast

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Speaker 1: us a follow on the socials. We could put that

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Speaker 1: graphic up here on the screen and there you go,

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat wherever you get you all your socials and

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Speaker 1: then Chuck Minton Hall on Instagram and Twitter. I'm not

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Speaker 1: calling it X. I gonna call it X. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: think you can only call it X if you've been

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Speaker 1: charged with the crime for January sixth. That's it. Other

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Speaker 1: than that, you have to call it Twitter all right. Hey,

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Speaker 1: UFC three hundred, What a fucking card. This is gonna

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Speaker 1: be tons of coverage coming your way from Chuck, from me,

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Speaker 1: from BC and everyone else involved. Thank you guys so

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Speaker 1: much for watching. We greatly appreciate it. We love you.

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Speaker 1: We appreciate everyone's patience. We know it with some growing

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Speaker 1: pains to get here, but we fucking got here. We

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Speaker 1: love you so much. We'll have more for you in

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Speaker 1: the coming days and weeks, and for now, may all

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Speaker 1: of your gains be loyal