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Speaker 1: Welcome to take it Happened here a podcast that is

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Speaker 1: not happening this week because we are on vacation, so

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Speaker 1: instead of normal episodes, you are getting this. And this

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Speaker 1: is our immediate reaction to the assassination of Shinzo Abbe,

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Speaker 1: which has turned out to be maybe the most successful

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Speaker 1: modern political assassination, at least, at the very least the

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Speaker 1: most successful modern political assassination that wasn't carried out with

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Speaker 1: the CIA. Now, one thing to keep in mind is

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Speaker 1: we recorded this episode before it was formerly known that

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Speaker 1: the reason that Abe was killed by the electric blunderbuss

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Speaker 1: was because of his connections to the Unification Church. Next week,

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Speaker 1: actually we are going to be getting more into that

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Speaker 1: side of things. But yeah, have fun with our initial

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Speaker 1: reaction and much rejoicing at one of the most dogshit

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Speaker 1: people who was alive, who is no longer alive. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to it can happen Here. A podcaster that, for the

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Speaker 1: first time ever, is being recorded on an Earth that

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Speaker 1: I no longer have to share with that fascist rat

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Speaker 1: bastard Chinzhwabe and with with me, with me to celebrate

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Speaker 1: this occasion is Garrison Davis. Hi, Hello, and James, have

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Speaker 1: we actually, have we like introduced you, introduced you yet.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think so, No, I just pop up talking

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Speaker 2: about three D printed guns and people who hate butterflies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is This is truly a dark day

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Speaker 3: for democracy. I'm saddened by the horrible loss of a

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Speaker 3: great leader, a hero to feminism and women, and I

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Speaker 3: guess a hero to those who defend war crimes.

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Speaker 1: So I guess before we've heard before, before we get

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Speaker 1: into one of the funniest things that has happened in

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Speaker 1: maybe twenty years, James, do you want to like talk

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Speaker 1: about who you are because you are now one of

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Speaker 1: us and I'm really excited about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm one of Yeah, I'm now a podcast. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So who I am?

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Speaker 2: I am a journalist, I guess, and a historian. I

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Speaker 2: international anti fascism, building international anti fascist alliances through physical culture,

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Speaker 2: which is very nerdy. But yeah, I love that stuff

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Speaker 2: with US and British if that had not been made

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Speaker 2: abundantly clear by my accent. And I live in southern California.

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Speaker 3: Which means this is now. This episode is a Majority

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Speaker 3: Commonwealth episode.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, really exciting. We made it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be doing the national anthem in a minute

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Speaker 2: here and we'll all just stand up.

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Speaker 3: So ex Prime Minister kind of he's not around anymore,

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Speaker 3: is he? No?

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Speaker 1: He is dead as fuck? So all right we should

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Speaker 1: I get I guess we should explain who shinzo Abe is. Okay,

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Speaker 1: if if you want a really really long account of

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Speaker 1: what the Japanese Liberal Democratic Party is, because they are

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Speaker 1: some of the worst people who've ever existed democratic Yeah,

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Speaker 1: history's worst war criminals, like personally responsible for enslaving hundreds

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Speaker 3: it's of sex crimes. It's wild.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's also mean. He's involved with the Japanese

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's one of the worst people ever. And then

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Speaker 3: And he got more fascist because people were saying mean

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Speaker 1: So like Abbe, Abbe himself, he he's carried he's been

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Speaker 1: also a part of this group called Nipon Kagai, which

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Speaker 1: what they believe, quote Japan should be applauded for liberating

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Speaker 1: the institution of Shinto as a state religion. Abbe like

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Speaker 1: abi like has continuously said that uh, the sex slaves

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Speaker 3: But but but but Hillary Clinton just tweeted that was

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Speaker 3: a champion of democracy and a firm believer that no economy, society,

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Speaker 1: Why you know, to be fair, to be fair, to

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Speaker 1: He Also there's there's another thing that so probably the

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Speaker 1: of war crimes. And there are also fourteen Class A

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Speaker 1: war criminals who either died or were executed who are

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Speaker 1: considered martyrs. There and Abbe fucking like visited there and

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Speaker 1: official line on this is, if Abbe didn't want me

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Speaker 1: to celebrate his fucking death, maybe he shouldn't have celebrated

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Speaker 1: So this is not Yeah, that part is really bad.

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Speaker 3: The motivation for the assassination is still, at least at

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Speaker 3: the suspect is Hdeo Kajima, so that you can you

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Speaker 3: there's like French politicians and a Greek news channel who

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Speaker 3: Pictures of Kajima like inside like a Russian like communist

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Speaker 3: using this as proof that it's by a left wing

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Speaker 1: So away, like, I guess what we know about the

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Speaker 1: actual shooter. We don't know that much. Is a forty

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Speaker 1: He was a Navy guy, which I guess partially explains

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Speaker 2: So what this character has done is seemingly it's yeah,

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Speaker 3: And this wasn't the only homemade weapon he had. The

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wondered if he could, because that's what you

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Speaker 3: That would be well, I mean, no, this is a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but who knows, Like this guy's operating on a

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Speaker 2: What he was thinking was I want to kill shinzo

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Speaker 1: He did it. He's exactly whatever you think of him.

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Speaker 1: This man did successfully kill shinzo Abbey with a gun

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Speaker 3: But like like basically like a homemade blunderbust cannon was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like and the mayor who got whacked by

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Speaker 3: I still don't think we can rule out that HEADA.

436
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 3: Kajima is the mastermind behind this.

437
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: And it's all I know right is it's it's just

438
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: a ployee to plug his next game.

439
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:33,000
Speaker 3: Just have to add a few like nonsense names to

440
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 3: all the people involved, like blunderbustmen, and then it's just

441
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: it's it's easy, easy.

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00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's fascinating that this person was seemingly like

443
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: maybe had other plans or had tried several other like

444
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: craft firearms, and settled on this one. But yeah, they

445
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 2: have access to a lot of pipes, that's for sure.

446
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: Did you guys see the yakas a guy who was

447
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 2: arms dealing to me and mar No no oh for

448
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 2: fucking wild So he was like extensively stung by the Feds.

449
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: So this guy, he was Yakaza, he.

450
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 2: Was part of it like an ongoing sting operation for

451
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: like several years where he was selling like basically like

452
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 2: trading guns for drugs, trading guns to buy drugs. He

453
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: was selling to a couple of groups in Me and MA.

454
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: He was two groups in like the Tamil region and

455
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 2: a couple of other people and he uh, he was

456
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 2: at least one of the people he thought was a

457
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 2: buyer was actually a FED. And they've captured all of

458
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 2: these amazing conversations where they call the guns like cake

459
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 2: and ice cream and like one of the one of

460
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 2: the things in the in the criminal could play. It's

461
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 2: a picture of him just with like a law like

462
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: an anti tank weapon and he's just like if you

463
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: get like the V sign and he's wearing these like

464
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,399
Speaker 2: yellow aviators and a leather jacket. Like the way they

465
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: arrested him was at a steakhouse I think either in

466
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: New York or New Jersey, but like they they lured

467
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 2: him into a steakhouse meeting and then he got busted

468
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: by the FED. But yeah, these guys were trafficking like

469
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 2: serious stuff like surface to M missiles and things. They

470
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: have access to some pretty heavy equipment.

471
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a pretty old like the OAS

472
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 1: has been sort of like I don't know how you

473
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: describe it, like a kind of like pera arm of

474
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: the Japanese state in a lot of ways for a

475
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: very very long time, Like there are there have been

476
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: like Yakasa people with basically special forces training. They they

477
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: at one point like kidnapped and killed the Empress of

478
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: Korea as part of like a thing to like justify

479
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: starting a war. So they are they're very well hooked up.

480
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, It's still unclear to me because like

481
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 1: that's the obviously everything again, like they're the the LDP

482
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: has a lot of Yakuza connections because kind of okay,

483
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: partially kind of everything is connections, but a partially also

484
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: because the Deacosa were like a sort of founding like

485
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 1: political block of the LDP in the first place. So

486
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 1: who knows, Like LDP people have gotten like attacked by

487
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,640
Speaker 1: people before. It could be that, it could be something else.

488
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: We sort of just don't know yet.

489
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's nothing identifying this guy, Like I'm just looking

490
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: at a picture of him and there's nothing particularly sort

491
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: of identifying his clothing or anything like that.

492
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess, I guess that's the death of Shinzo

493
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: Hobby extremely funny.

494
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 3: Critical support to Hideo Kajima and all of the other

495
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: freedom fighters.

496
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: Well, I guess I guess we could talk a little

497
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: bit about the international response to this.

498
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, because people have no idea.

499
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: What's ethnic. Yeah, I mean, like so like all the

500
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 1: Americans are sorry of like are doing the all American

501
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: liberals that sort of doing like, oh my god, he

502
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: was a good guy. It's like, no, it wasn't. This

503
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: guy was a monster. Okay. I I will say this,

504
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 1: Both the Chinese and the Korean embassies are being surprisingly

505
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 1: diplomatic about it, as in, no one they haven't no

506
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: one has actively insulted him yet social media wise.

507
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 3: Politically, that's a good move for like inter country relationship.

508
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like I okay, like Japanese relationships with Korea.

509
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: South Korea are well and North Korea are really bad,

510
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of the reason why they're really bad

511
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: is specifically because of Changzawabe and because of all of

512
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: his bullshit. But they're not gonna like a rubb it. Well,

513
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not clear to me that they wouldn't

514
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: have done this if this had happened in like the

515
00:27:54,280 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: two thousand tens, like instink, these guys really hate each other. Yeah,

516
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: there's been some sort of like people don't know, people

517
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: trying to do a Taiwan angle on this because Abbey

518
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: is like a Taiwan supporter, But I don't. I don't

519
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 1: think there's actually that much. People want this to have

520
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: much more geopolitical like significance than it probably actually will. Yeah, yeah,

521
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: well it's in the meantime. Yeah, fascist is dead. That's

522
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:26,399
Speaker 1: always funny.

523
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 3: It happened, Uh yeah, it did in fact happen here. Well,

524
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 3: it happened over there.

525
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,199
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, it could happen here.

526
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: Sta statistically, we are we are about to do based

527
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: on Yeah, you wouldn't need.

528
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: To resort to deductate model in America.

529
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: No, with the amount of firearms here, it is kind

530
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: of a little it is sometimes a little surprising how

531
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 3: little stuff like this actually happens. There's obviously a lot

532
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: of work that goes into like preventing it, but but

533
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 3: still sometimes it's kind of it's kind of shocking.

534
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like I think, I think. I think if

535
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 1: you look at the last twenty years, I think more

536
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: Japanese politicians have been assassinated American politicians. Like I'm trying,

537
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of an American politician.

538
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: Because weird, because they is a lot more American politicians

539
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 3: and a lot of guns.

540
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: They they they killed, they killed when they went after

541
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: Gabby Giffords. They killed someone, I think, but yeah, I don't.

542
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of anyone else other than.

543
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: That, not in recent memory. The guy who shot Reagan

544
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: is now touring.

545
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he didn't even kill him. That's not even assassination.

546
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: That's just an assassination attempt, like a very botched to one.

547
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, crossover between John Hinckley and Hideo Kajima's possible.

548
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: That will be the game.

549
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna keep referring to the suspect as Hideo Kajima.

550
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: It's worth noting that, like he did have armed guards,

551
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: so we're armed. God's present that you can see their

552
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: guns in health serious is they take down the person

553
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: who shot him, but they they were not on their

554
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: A game that day.

555
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you can see in the video. There's like

556
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: one of the guys is I think, trying to like

557
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: get a bulletproof briefcase in between Abe and the guy.

558
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: It just doesn't work. It just it just doesn't. It

559
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: just fails completely.

560
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: Its one job they Yeah, like the operation meat Shield,

561
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: they weren't just on they weren't just not on their

562
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 3: A game.

563
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: They completely failed at their own Yeah, it's not like

564
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: the guy even tried to run away. He just like

565
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 1: stood there and got arrested. Yeah. Yeah, he did not

566
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: really put much of it, did not put up much

567
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: of a fight.

568
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah he No, he didn't. I think, Yeah, he

569
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: he went down pretty fast. I guess he went with

570
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 2: like this smaller game maybe to conceal it, because it

571
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: looks like he was pretty close.

572
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that is very likely. Well, a very

573
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 3: dark day for democracy, dark day for feminism, as Hillary

574
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 3: Clinton said, Uh anyway.

575
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Luckily they have ram and Manuel as a bastard

576
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: to pan to come to them and as.

577
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: Difficult the the l d P are the only people

578
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 1: on earth who does who actually deserve Rama Manual. So look,

579
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 1: if you, if you, if if you didn't want to

580
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: have to deal with Rama Manual, you should have taken

581
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,239
Speaker 1: all that money. This is this is this is now

582
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: their curse.

583
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sure we'll talk more about these types of

584
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: home made weapons and all that kind of stuff in

585
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: the future, because it is it is interesting, and you

586
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: know places where places where like actual firearms are hard

587
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 3: are harder to get. We're seeing more and more ship

588
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: like this popping up. Yeah, yeah, and that that will

589
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 3: definitely be worth be worth getting into along with three

590
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: D printed weapons. All right, anything else to add or

591
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 3: does that?

592
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: Does it? Does that?

593
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: Do it?

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00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that's a wrap. All right.

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