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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Jann Kramer and Michael Coffman and I'm

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Speaker 1: her radio podcast. All right, so there's a lot going

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Speaker 1: on in the world, and we're not going to talk

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Speaker 1: about it. We're going to talk about everything else.

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Speaker 2: Well, not that we're not going to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: It's Mark made a really good point in the opening

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Speaker 2: of the show. It's like, I don't think people come

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Speaker 2: to you for politics.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're under the politics and news category

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Speaker 1: of podcasts.

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Speaker 2: No, But I will say I will say one thing

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Speaker 2: because me and my girlfriends were talking about the other

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Speaker 2: day and I was like, you know what this is,

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Speaker 2: just like this is why I turn off sometimes the

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Speaker 2: news and Instagram, because I like it just stresses me

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Speaker 2: out and gives me anxiety. And I'm like, I'm what,

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Speaker 2: I'm in control because I'm not in control of anything else.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I first and foremost believe God's in control,

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Speaker 2: but after that, I'm in control of what I do

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Speaker 2: to make myself feel better anxiety, the things that I do,

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Speaker 2: like to be a better mom, and me watching the news,

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Speaker 2: and you know, I want to be informed, like I'm

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Speaker 2: not trying to be arrogant walking around, but I also

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Speaker 2: feel like, I know the kind of person I am.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of anxiety and I can't control

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Speaker 2: that right now. So I'm going to control what I can,

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Speaker 2: and that's you know, being a good mom, showing up,

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Speaker 2: the news is much as possible. And now someone might

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Speaker 2: call me arrogant and white privilege because of that, but

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Speaker 2: you know, I just yeah, I know my anxiety level

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Speaker 2: control what I can because if not, I'll go crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is one of the reasons why I

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Speaker 1: really enjoy not being on social media. Granted, sometimes I

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Speaker 1: feel out of the loop when things start to occur,

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Speaker 1: but I like it, especially when you get into the

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Speaker 1: weeds of things. And so instead of talking about that,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about Kim and Kanye for a second. Why

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Speaker 1: Because are you really surprised that they're getting divorced?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel bad for their kids.

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you say you're surprised.

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Speaker 2: Though, I'm you know who she has on Actually I

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Speaker 2: was on her podcast, Laura Walser. Oh yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 2: just did her podcast a while ago. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: not if anyone like so there's so many divorces. I'm

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Speaker 2: surprised by a few people's divorces this year. But I mean, honestly,

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Speaker 2: it's kind of sad, but like nothing surprises me anymore.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point, I mean, And that's that's kind

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Speaker 2: of sad to think about that, because I'm like, I mean,

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Speaker 2: someone could say the same about us if we got divorced.

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Speaker 2: Are you surprised?

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Speaker 1: Do you know a valid point?

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Speaker 2: Like, you're right, Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Speaker 1: People probably wouldn't be that surprised.

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Speaker 2: No, they'd be like, all right, you know, they tried.

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Speaker 1: But they might be more surprised like ten yet from

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Speaker 2: But no, I mean, you know, again, I feel bad

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Speaker 1: And it's not. I'm the older you get, the more

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Speaker 2: But yeah, but I mean, if you take into account,

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Speaker 2: I'm really not surprised. I wouldn't be surprised if people

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Speaker 1: And I'm with you, you know, speaking to kids. Though.

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Speaker 1: We had Jolly come in our bed last night because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so whiny. Yeah, And so it was

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Speaker 1: snowing last night, so we're like, all right, we know

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, just somebody cuddle with me.

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Speaker 1: Please, That's what I say. You got Jason. He's a

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Speaker 2: But what else is going on?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're traveling today. We're going to Ohio from my

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, I'm a little nervous.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we're gonna make the most of it,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well I'm sorry again. I'm happy that I'm

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's take a break and then we're going to

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Speaker 1: On a high note. We have found another great show

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Speaker 2: So we finished Undoing, which was so good, slightly triggering,

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Speaker 2: which is so good. It reminds me of Dead to me.

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Speaker 2: I personally never liked thirty What is that? Thirty Rock? No,

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Speaker 2: And then we also we have our side stuff too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. You described it to me saying, is the fifty

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Speaker 1: shades of gray and Pride and prejudice, Pride and Prejudice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so good. Oh my god, it was so good.

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Speaker 1: Look? Pride and Prejudice is one of Jan's favorite movies

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Speaker 1: We want that mister Darcy.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Duke.

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Speaker 2: It's just like and of course that night, you know,

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Speaker 2: fifty Shades of Gray.

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Speaker 1: You've been binging more shows, I think than I have recently. Yep,

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Speaker 2: But no, it's really good. Like I think, Mark, you

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Speaker 1: How it's a period piece, so what they're wearing, like you.

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Speaker 2: Don't just don't understand. It's the connection that the duke

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Speaker 2: and the girl have. But everything is so overly sexualized

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Speaker 2: Let us know if there's a match made in heaven.

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Speaker 4: Well, Holly's ready, so we can bring her in the differences.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what wine tastes like.

431
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,400
Speaker 1: So there's you know, are you.

432
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Speaker 2: Like sober or did you just never ever I've never.

433
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 3: Even tried it. I don't even know what taste like.

434
00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 3: I don't even I've just stayed away my whole life.

435
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Speaker 1: Oh wow, it's interesting.

436
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's bring in Holly and get this convo started. Hello,

437
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,600
Speaker 2: Hey Holly, Hey Holly, how you doing. Hi?

438
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,160
Speaker 4: You good.

439
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 5: I'm hanging in there. How are you both?

440
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 1: We're great, we're doing great.

441
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. So recently you've had a you know, a more

442
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, you know, people know who you are.

443
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,520
Speaker 2: But with Chrissy Teagan saying that you know your book

444
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 2: helped her get sober, I mean that's got to be

445
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: That's got to be pretty cool someone with as much

446
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,639
Speaker 2: notoriety as she has to talk about your book. I

447
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 2: mean that's got to feel pretty good.

448
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels pretty extraordinary and unreal.

449
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 6: Actually, I've been doing this since I started talking about

450
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 6: my own sobriety in twenty thirteen in a really different world,

451
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,679
Speaker 6: and my thoughts about it at the time, I mean

452
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,520
Speaker 6: they were pretty they're echoed.

453
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,160
Speaker 5: Now throughout people's recovery.

454
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,159
Speaker 6: There's a different story that we're building about what it

455
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 6: means to stop drinking, and so it's real true validation.

456
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 6: I think of the work that a lot of people

457
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 6: need to change the narrative on what quitting drinking means.

458
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Speaker 1: So Holly, also, I want to ask, because I don't

459
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,680
Speaker 1: know much of our story that you know, but I'm

460
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 1: in a twelve step program in recovery for sex addiction,

461
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,600
Speaker 1: and I've been in the program for since twenty sixteen.

462
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 1: You know something that I follow that has worked for me.

463
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Speaker 1: But I totally understand after being in it, how someone

464
00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,159
Speaker 1: can have a mindset of maybe it's just not for me,

465
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Speaker 1: or they want to find other ways. And as you know,

466
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been in the rooms to try to

467
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: figure all this out, they pretty much don't say there's

468
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 1: any other way. They just say there's twelve steps, right,

469
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Speaker 1: And so I'm interested, like, what was that point for

470
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,080
Speaker 1: you that you're like, Okay, this isn't for me. I

471
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 1: got to find a different way.

472
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Speaker 5: I think it's real interesting.

473
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Speaker 6: So my entry into this was I was given a

474
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Speaker 6: twelve step program as an option when I first went

475
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,959
Speaker 6: to a doctor in twenty twelve, and then I had

476
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 6: severe bolimia and also alcoholics disorder and also substance use

477
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 6: disorder pot so.

478
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 5: It was a non starter for me.

479
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 6: I just you know, I couldn't go there and I

480
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 6: didn't want that. And then I ended up finding almost

481
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 6: like a third door because I was I self diagnosed

482
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 6: as having borderline personality disorder, which also said you need

483
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 6: to stop drinking, which I want to be clear, I

484
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 6: didn't have. But a lot of times there's different mental

485
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 6: health issues that are replicated by addiction or exacerbated. But

486
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 6: for me, I found a different way in I read

487
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 6: a book called The Easy Way to Control Alcohol, which

488
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 6: really almost broke down the idea of alcoholism, you know,

489
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 6: versus like alcoholism as a I think some people have

490
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Speaker 6: versus alcoholism thing.

491
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Speaker 5: Maybe most people you know shouldn't be consuming the way

492
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Speaker 5: we do in the West and.

493
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 2: Now throughout the world.

494
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Speaker 6: But it was just I had a very different in

495
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 6: and I formed a set of beliefs around myself, you know,

496
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 6: and also alcohol. And then and I tried to quit

497
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 6: drinking for six months and it was such a terrifying experience,

498
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 6: and I by the time on my sobriety date, which

499
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 6: is April fourteen, twenty thirteen, I really had I had

500
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 6: come to terms with so much, and I also felt

501
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 6: like I really needed support and to face it. So

502
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 6: I actually did go. That's when I went to AA.

503
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 6: One of my friend's fathers called me, and he been

504
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,919
Speaker 6: in AA for twenty years, and he was just like, go,

505
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 6: you know, And so I went. And what I found

506
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 6: was having had an experience where I had developed a

507
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 6: different belief system and was actually really secure in my

508
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 6: own relationship in that I didn't want to drink. And

509
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 6: also I felt that a lot of the conversations I

510
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 6: was having in the rooms were running counter to that.

511
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 6: I had people come up to me after the meeting

512
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 6: and say I would drink again if I didn't get

513
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 6: a sponsor, I would drink again if I didn't go

514
00:24:54,920 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 6: to more meetings. And what had really been so important

515
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 6: to me in my own recovery was moving that kind

516
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 6: of idea out of my mind that I would have

517
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 6: to constantly be vigilant of my alcoholism to not drink.

518
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 6: I had a very different belief set around that, and

519
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 6: so I felt almost more threatened in my sobriety and

520
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 6: that experience than I did without going to AA. So

521
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 6: I stopped going about three months after I got sober.

522
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Speaker 1: That's so interesting, you know, I can understand. I can

523
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: understand what you're saying at the end there about people.

524
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: It almost feels like a codependency at times, right, like

525
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 1: like that people may have to the program or have

526
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 1: to a sponsor, have the people around them, where I

527
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: understand you need the support because it's all about right

528
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: reconnecting with people and getting out to yourself and everything.

529
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Speaker 1: But I do share that mindset with you where I'm like,

530
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Speaker 1: I'm not the same in that where I feel like

531
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Speaker 1: if I don't call someone right now, right the second,

532
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to act out or I'm going to do whatever.

533
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: So I definitely agree with you on that.

534
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: Well, I think too, Like I'll just interject, like when

535
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 2: you were trying to find a sponsor, like one of

536
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 2: them was so much like there was a kid to

537
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: call every day, and you're just like that's not going

538
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 2: to help me from not doing it, Like it's it's

539
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 2: just finding the right person for you that's going to

540
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 2: help guide but also work the steps that because you

541
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: do believe in the program.

542
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, yeah, And I think that's what's so

543
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 6: important is I think that there's so many ways to recover.

544
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 6: It's recovery is as unique to each individual, like there

545
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 6: is no I don't know anybody that has been the

546
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:35,880
Speaker 6: exact same things.

547
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 5: And I think that.

548
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 6: We are so afraid to explore other options and to

549
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 6: validate other options. And so I think, you know, from

550
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 6: what I know now and how many people I know

551
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 6: that are in recovery from all from all things, that

552
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 6: there's there has to be room for for so many

553
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 6: different ways to exist.

554
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 2: So I mean, your book titles quit quit like a Woman?

555
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 2: What is that? How do you quit like a woman?

556
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: I'm curious.

557
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 6: I think the book is really meant to acknowledge the

558
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 6: experience of women and which is extremely unique. And we're

559
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 6: sick for a lot of reasons that that men, you know,

560
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 6: the same way that black women are sick for a

561
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,639
Speaker 6: lot of reasons that white women will never understand. But

562
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 6: we're sick for a lot of specific things, and then

563
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,719
Speaker 6: there's also this very specific culture where we are marketing

564
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 6: it to each other constantly on social media as you know,

565
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 6: the way through, and this is echoed like yesterday, Julian

566
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 6: Michaels posted time of death for dry January as the

567
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 6: moment that the capital has breached, and then you just

568
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 6: see thousands of women saying drinking whiskey now. And so

569
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 6: we're in this bubble where we're constantly normalizing these drugs

570
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 6: to get through life. And so the book really specifically

571
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 6: speaks to what the how this came about, how we

572
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 6: became the marketers of alcohol to each other, and the

573
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 6: normalization of constant use for mothering, for getting through work

574
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 6: pretty stressing. And then it also really specifically addresses that

575
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 6: we're coming to recovery often with deflated egos, the lack

576
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 6: of you know, sense of self, with the lack of

577
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 6: being able to move freely in the world without having

578
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 6: to defend ourselves, and really starts from that point of

579
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 6: what we need in order to build ourselves up instead

580
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 6: of you know, for me, when I was getting sober,

581
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 6: a lot of this was don't trust yourself, trust other people.

582
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 6: You know you're wrong, your mind is lying to you

583
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 6: and don't you know your ego is you know, that's

584
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 6: your ego talking, or that's your alcoholism talking. And really

585
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 6: what the book starts with is just you know what

586
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 6: most women are coming in the door with is, which

587
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 6: is like a cratered ego. And there has to be

588
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 6: the sense of really building up this this belief that

589
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 6: we can trust ourselves and that we can develop a

590
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 6: sense of ego and that it's not wrong or our

591
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 6: addiction talking, but almost what we need in order to

592
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 6: really exist fully for sure.

593
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: I guess, like my question to you is, you know

594
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: I've I've never been drunk. We just talked about that before.

595
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 2: But I love wine, like I mean, I have a

596
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 2: wine coming out this week, like it's it is my thing.

597
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: And I do like, you know, I don't I know

598
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 2: where you know, nights that I'm like, okay, if we're

599
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: fighting really bad, like I'm not going to drown it out,

600
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 2: you know with the wine. And I have to talk

601
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 2: myself almost sometimes out of that. But I do, like

602
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 2: after a long day with the kids, like sometimes I'm

603
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: like I do want that and I don't want to

604
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 2: feel bad for it, you know, because it is and

605
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: I'm not abusing it, and so that's why I'm like,

606
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: you know, I it's like I totally hear what you're saying.

607
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: But then I'm also on the other side. I'm like,

608
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: but it's also okay that I do this because I'm

609
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: not abusing it in the way where I'm getting drunk.

610
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: And I'm like, but I also, like, I enjoy wine.

611
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 2: I enjoy the you know, the taste of good wine,

612
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: and like I'll never just go to a ran the

613
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: place and be like, you know, if we go to

614
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: a bar, like I don't drink bar wine, Like I

615
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: like the like the real nice wine, And so you know,

616
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't

617
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 2: want women also to feel like that that's not okay

618
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: to like all that joy, Yeah.

619
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 6: Right, Like women don't need any more shame or guilt

620
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 6: for the choices that they make. And you know you

621
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 6: just said, like I unlined with a cheeseburger and wined

622
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 6: with a bowl of pasta and sugar and gluten and

623
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 6: all of you know, the things that you know have

624
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 6: now been crossed off the list of what we're able

625
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 6: to enjoy, what we should enjoy, And so that this

626
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 6: really isn't you know. The way I always pull it

627
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 6: back is there's a thing called informed consent, and informed

628
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 6: consent is really what was driving In terms of like

629
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 6: opioid over prescription. There was no informed consent about the

630
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 6: addictive nature of it, and the same goes for like

631
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 6: Milltown or value when it was over prescribed.

632
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 5: Our venzes were overprescribed. We we don't know, we don't fully.

633
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 6: Understand the consequences of the substance that we're ingesting, and

634
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 6: we're not able to make informed decisions. And when you

635
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 6: couple with that the marketing that this is and the

636
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 6: normalization of the marketing of it, we're not actually moving

637
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 6: forward with the full set of facts. And so the

638
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 6: way that I really what I really come back to

639
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 6: is that it's about choice, and it's about informed choice.

640
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 6: And most of us don't understand that the actual full

641
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 6: negative impact of alcohol, and we don't think of it

642
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 6: as a drug. And because we don't think of it

643
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 6: as a drug, we also don't think of it as

644
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 6: something that could potentially cause us harm. And so it's

645
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 6: just like we have the full set of facts around

646
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 6: cigarettes now we know what they do to us, we

647
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 6: still don't really have we're not working with the full

648
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 6: set of facts around alcohol and that like it's linkage

649
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 6: to cancer, and that it's linkage to hormonal imbalance, sleep,

650
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 6: sleep and balances, and so we're pushing this is, like

651
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 6: this is how you to sleep or this is and

652
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,719
Speaker 6: we're not necessarily going into that with eyes wide open

653
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 6: around what it actually does to us. And the list

654
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 6: is pretty long of the negative impact. So I know

655
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 6: what sugar does to me, you know, and so I'm

656
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 6: consuming it with a full set of knowledge that it

657
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,479
Speaker 6: causes inflammation, that it causes blood sugar millance like whatever.

658
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 6: But we don't have that with alcohol.

659
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: What's your you know, quit like a woman, what's the

660
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: whole foundational belief? Because you know, in twelve steps it's

661
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: all about higher power, living in consultation, connection and not

662
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: living in isolation, right to get away from yourself. So

663
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: what is that like for in that book? And what

664
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: can people expect when they read it, Like, what's the

665
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: foundation for, you know, for being sober and getting away

666
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: from those things?

667
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 6: I think first is what I was just talking about,

668
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 6: which is that like information is so important around recovery, addiction,

669
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 6: the substance. But I think mostly it's about holistic, unique

670
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 6: paths to recovery and empowered paths to recovery. So I

671
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 6: would say, like I run a company. We run. I

672
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 6: run a company that helps people move through recovery, and

673
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 6: our foundational belief is that we put people at the

674
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 6: center of it, which means that whatever whatever someone does

675
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,959
Speaker 6: needs to be designed around their unique life, right, it

676
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 6: needs to be designed around you know, what social oppressions

677
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 6: are coming in with what like deficits and you know,

678
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 6: physiology or nutrition or what what whatever. There's a full

679
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 6: spectrum of a human that walks through the door anytime

680
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 6: you know, you're looking to enter a path of recovery.

681
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 6: And really we drink or we drug, or we escape

682
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 6: for so many different reasons, and all those reasons really

683
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 6: have to be brought into it.

684
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 5: So you know, AA or a twelve.

685
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 6: Step program absolutely focuses on community, It focuses on storytelling,

686
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 6: it focuses on higher power, it focuses on you know,

687
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 6: there's there's very specific things those are not excluded from

688
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 6: the path, right, But I think it's a matter of

689
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 6: also bringing in other things, like you know, balancing our neurochemicals,

690
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 6: or leaving an abusive relationship or finding purpose and meaning

691
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 6: in our lives, and so it expands to bring all

692
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 6: of the things you're in a twelve step program, but

693
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 6: I guarantee you that you're also doing other things for

694
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 6: your self development. That this is one facet of it.

695
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 6: And that's really how the book conceptualizes recovery, which is

696
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 6: has to include the whole of your being, not just

697
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 6: your spiritual path, not just your fellowship and community, not

698
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 6: just your amends and your service, but really so many

699
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 6: different things.

700
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: You know, I can respect and appreciate that because I've

701
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: told people this, I've told Jana this and other brothers

702
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: in the program. Is you know, I went to impatient

703
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: treatment for sixty days and which not everyone is able

704
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: to do. And honestly, I have a lot of respect

705
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 1: for people that have gotten sober and not gone to

706
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 1: impatient because the amount of work, therapeutic work that you

707
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: do that's right and patient. For me, I wouldn't have

708
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: been able to get sober if I didn't do that,

709
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: if I didn't find out all that inside of me

710
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: and try to purge and start figuring out where everything

711
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: came from, which it sounds like I make up is

712
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 1: kind of like what you're doing where it's like, it's

713
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: so much more than just showing up and being a

714
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: part of a community and stuff like that. So again,

715
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: I commend you for that, especially being someone that you

716
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: know is in a twelve step program. But do you

717
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: ever if you have a client or someone that you're

718
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: working with and maybe something just isn't working, do you

719
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 1: ever suggest twelve steps?

720
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 5: Is that ever we suggest it?

721
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

722
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 6: We suggest everybody try everything and they make up their

723
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 6: own mind about it.

724
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: That's great.

725
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 6: So there's people that you know, we use our program

726
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 6: that are also part of the fellowship. There's people that

727
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 6: have moved, you know, through it and don't find it

728
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 6: useful anymore, or felt it couldn't work and have left it.

729
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 6: There's people that are afraid to try it, that this

730
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 6: is a soft landing that then maybe progresses and evolves

731
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 6: into their wanting to try it. And so I think

732
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 6: it's just there's it's it's again, I think we've done

733
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 6: ourselves such a disservice by saying there's either just this

734
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 6: one place over there and it's either good or bad,

735
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 6: and then there's these other things, and really there's there's

736
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 6: a whole constellation of ways for people to find themselves.

737
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 6: And I think it's really important that people understand some things,

738
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 6: like they can pick and choose, and they can outgrow

739
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 6: or they can grow into and so it's it's so

740
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 6: empowering when we're able to really look at this and

741
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,320
Speaker 6: be able, you know, first of all, to acknowledge every

742
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 6: other person's choices. We're so different, you know, you and

743
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 6: I are so different and not the same things are

744
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 6: going to work. And at the same time, we've done

745
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 6: this disservice to ourselves by thinking that that if I

746
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 6: choose a different way, it's an affront to your choice,

747
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 6: or it means your choice is wrong.

748
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 5: Your choice is Like that's just not the truth.

749
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 6: When I was critical, I've written a lot about AA

750
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 6: and my closest friends are you know in AA.

751
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 5: And like it's just it doesn't undermine their choice. It

752
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 5: doesn't make what they've done any less or any more.

753
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 6: And I think that we had we do have a

754
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 6: habit of saying, well, this.

755
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 5: Reflects on your choice, reflects on me, and that's just

756
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 5: not the case. Like we have to support each other.

757
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 5: I don't care what you do like I should.

758
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean I I totally

759
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: hear you on that and I took a lot from that,

760
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: even just from the other side, Like you know, I

761
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: have friends that go to alan On and it's I mean,

762
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 2: it's their their place that they're able to heal. I mean,

763
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 2: we just I just had the conversation with a few

764
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: friends the other day. But like when I tried essen On,

765
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 2: it just wasn't for me, Like I didn't I tried.

766
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 2: I was like, I was angry. I was I didn't

767
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 2: like it at all. And it's like, yeah, I found

768
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: my piece is through my therapist, and I found a

769
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: friend that she sponsors a bunch of people. I don't

770
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 2: really call her my sponsor, but whenever I get that angst,

771
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: I you know, I either call her or I call

772
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: my therapists. And because every time I'm like, well, I'm

773
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: told that I have to go to Essenon if I'm

774
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: a sex addict's wife. So I go and I sit

775
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: in his rooms and I'm like, I'm angry at my

776
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: husband right now, I hate myself and I don't like

777
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: it here. And I leave crying and just like depressed

778
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 2: and defeated, and I'm like, wait a minute, like I

779
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: it's okay to not be in the program, and still

780
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: be doing your work, so I can get it from

781
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: like valid too.

782
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's valid, it doesn't mean you're not doing it right.

783
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 6: And that was the thing I had to really overcome,

784
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 6: was I got I had a lot of people who

785
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 6: just expected, oh, if you have an addiction, you do AA,

786
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 6: if you have an addiction, you do NA or essay

787
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,280
Speaker 6: or whatever, any of the millions of dulls to problems

788
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 6: that there now, and I I just it was so invalid.

789
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 6: I was like, but wait a minute, I'm actually taking

790
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 6: I'm the one taking the steps to do something about this,

791
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 6: and any step I'm taking is the work. And we

792
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 6: do have this idea that if you're not doing this

793
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 6: one thing, then it's it's you, you know, not doing

794
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 6: your part and your part of the cup read you know,

795
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 6: be it a you know, a wife of a sex

796
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 6: adductor or a you know, daughter of you know, someone

797
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 6: with a drinking problem, so it's you.

798
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, so is with with kind of the program,

799
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: you know, the customizable program approach, holistic approach that you

800
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: are advocating for, is it still black and white in

801
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: the sense of if you're dealing with alcohol, it's you

802
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: don't drink or you drink like there's no in between,

803
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: Like there's no in moderation. It's still like if you're

804
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: trying to get clean, there's no drinking at all.

805
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think that's also not helpful.

806
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 6: Abstinence only methods like or not for everybody, and so

807
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 6: at harm reduction is so important, and I think that

808
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 6: everybody has to find like the point of what we're

809
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 6: trying to do, right is still the truth to ourselves,

810
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 6: not prove something.

811
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 5: To anyone else.

812
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 6: And we really like what we encourage. What I encourage

813
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 6: it for people just to remember that they told some

814
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 6: truth to themselves somewhere along the way and that they're

815
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 6: going to keep doing that, and that that is the point, right,

816
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 6: like of where what decisions you make for yourself.

817
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: I would just like to say too, just to you know,

818
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 2: the only reason why I drink red wine is because

819
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 2: I've been told by my doctor that it actually has benefits.

820
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: Like I won't drink any other do I drink any

821
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: other alcohol? And if I heard that, Yeah, but if

822
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 2: I heard that red wine was like actually not good

823
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: for your heart, then I'd be like, Okay, I'm not

824
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: drinking anymore because you know me, I'm so like health conscious,

825
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: So really there to everyone, buy one brick at wines

826
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: dot com.

827
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 6: Those studies were based on we're typically run on mail

828
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 6: on men, and there are healthful components of found in

829
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 6: red wine, but.

830
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 2: The list of.

831
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 5: Adverse effects are prey long.

832
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: And so I would I think, but so is sugars

833
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 2: and cars, and like that's like yeah, and that's where

834
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 2: I'm just like, God, like everything is bad. Everything will

835
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: turn into like you now you gotta the cheese is

836
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: bad for your gut, and this is bad for that,

837
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 2: and you know the pasta that you eat is gonna

838
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 2: like that's bad for you too. And I'm just like,

839
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 2: I like, it's just too much.

840
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 6: You know, it is too much, and and that in

841
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 6: of itself is its own problem and own sickness.

842
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 5: I think, like this is what Here's what I would

843
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 5: say to that. Doctors.

844
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 6: I've worked in healthcare, and you know, I dated doctors,

845
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 6: were friends of doctors. Doctors, aren't you know doctors have

846
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 6: their their own opinions. You know, doctors often go to

847
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 6: twelve step programs as part of their training. They're not

848
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 6: addiction medicine. They're not reading the different studies on alcohol,

849
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 6: and so what I would say is do your research

850
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 6: on it on whether or not like red wine isn't

851
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 6: any different, it's still is ethanol in it. It's still

852
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 6: as you know, as still as it's still the same thing.

853
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 6: And recently there was an article that showed a truck

854
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 6: driving on a handle of Tito's vodka, like literally they

855
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 6: just put a Tito's vodecan.

856
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 5: And so we do want to do our own research.

857
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 6: We do want to understand and there's plenty of it

858
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 6: out there now around the impacts on the body. But

859
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 6: you're exactly right as well, which is there is there's

860
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 6: there is so many ways that we're told that we

861
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 6: you know, have to be how we have to eat

862
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 6: and live, and that like idea of like perfection is

863
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Speaker 6: in of itself really problematic. You know, we have to

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Speaker 6: make our own choices. And I think like there's there's

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Speaker 6: also just this I always like to say, know what

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Speaker 6: you can't f with, like know what you cannot mess with,

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Speaker 6: And I think that we have to open the door

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Speaker 6: to be able to look at the things in our

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Speaker 6: lives that are actually really hurting us.

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Speaker 5: You know, Gwyneth Paltrow like.

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Speaker 6: Smokes a cigarette a week or I've read that she

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Speaker 6: I don't know she still does, but there was a

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Speaker 6: while where she was talking about how she has one

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Speaker 6: American spirit on a Friday, you know, And so I

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Speaker 6: mean that's very different than somebody that's smoking, you know,

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Speaker 6: twenty cigarettes a day. But there's also a lot of

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Speaker 6: gray area between those two things. And so I think

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Speaker 6: it's really important that people ask themselves, is this negatively

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Speaker 6: impacting me? Or do I know what it is that

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Speaker 6: I'm putting in my body again so I can make

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Speaker 6: these choices. That really is where it's at. This isn't

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Speaker 6: about oh, you can't drink anymore, like women can't drink anymore.

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Speaker 6: It's not like the point of this. This is really

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Speaker 6: the earth how it shows up in our lives.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Before we let you go, Holly, what's one thing to

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Speaker 1: give to our listeners, Like, what's the one thing for

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Speaker 1: you personally that you do that just on a daily

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Speaker 1: basis that recenters yourself. Is it a morning routine? Is

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Speaker 1: it something that you do just to kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: share that with our listeners.

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Speaker 5: I meditate. I do have a pastma meditation.

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Speaker 6: Now I've been through I have really dedicated my that

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Speaker 6: has been the cornerstone of my recovery. And I've been

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Speaker 6: to like ten days silent workshops I've been to. I mean,

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Speaker 6: I've done at all and I've really landed in as

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Speaker 6: and going because the PASTAA instruction, and that's what I

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00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 6: do every day and it's extremely helpful and beneficial.

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Speaker 5: That's my thing.

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Speaker 1: I love it. Have you ever done ayahuasca?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 6: I have not, No, but plant medicine is you know,

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Speaker 6: has its place in addiction recovery.

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Speaker 1: Okay, where can our listeners find you and your book

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Speaker 1: and everything else they need to know?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and so I mostly currently contribute on Instagram, So

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Speaker 6: it's that, Holly, and you can buy my book. Please

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00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 6: look at independent booksellers. Please look at your local favorite bookstore.

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Speaker 6: You can go to Target, you can go to Barnes

910
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 6: and Noble, you can go to Amazon. It's everywhere. It's

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Speaker 6: called quit like a woman.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, thank you so much Holly for coming on

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Speaker 2: wine down. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Great conversation.

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Holly, thank you. Well that was some good combos.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was really interesting and I just

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Speaker 1: I appreciated her her delivery on things and just you know,

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Speaker 1: making it known that it's okay for people to have

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Speaker 1: different methods of getting somewhere, and especially her point. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this just rains true for so many things across the

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Speaker 1: board about just because your way of doing things is

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Speaker 1: different than mine doesn't mean one's wrong, one's wrong or right.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's just I respect that, and I think that the

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Speaker 1: world and the country especially right now needs more of

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Speaker 1: that kind of mindset for sure.

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Speaker 2: And I also think too, like sometimes it just can

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Speaker 2: be so overwhelming where it's like this is bad for you,

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Speaker 2: this is bad for you, this is bad for you.

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Speaker 2: Can't have that, that's bad for you, And it's just

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Speaker 2: like just you know, do your own research and then

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Speaker 2: don't overdo it and see how it's serving you as well,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, we're all smart, right, but love

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Speaker 2: you guys, And I'm excited. We've got some really amazing

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Speaker 2: podcasts coming up. I mean, just to tease a few,

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Speaker 2: James Lafferty, Stephen Coletti, which you know for my Tree Hillers,

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Speaker 2: we've got Tiger Wood's mistress, so that's going to be

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Speaker 2: a very intense kind of conversation. And I also have

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a spoiler one of the winners

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Speaker 2: from the bachelort seasons also is going to be on

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Speaker 2: and I'm super pumped to talk to him. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be y'all, stay tuned.