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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should Know from how Stuff Works

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Speaker 1: dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark.

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Speaker 1: There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there. And

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Speaker 1: this is the Doctor Sois Cast, our final episode of

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Speaker 1: this year two eighteen. So long in the books Dr

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Speaker 1: Sois Dr Sois. That's right, you know, it's funny. Well

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that. All right, everything that's funny can wait? Yep,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk serious. Dr SEUs was an author of

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Speaker 1: children's books. He was so great and also kind of racist. Chuck,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff in here. I wish I

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Speaker 1: didn't know. I know. I think we're about to ruin

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Speaker 1: Dr Seuss at the end of the year, right after

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Speaker 1: the holidays. Uh yeah, but well let's just talk about

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Speaker 1: the man. Okay, so um, we are talking. We keep

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Speaker 1: saying Dr Sois. Everybody knows him as Dr Seuss, but

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Speaker 1: apparently the correct pronunciation is Sois and and the guy

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Speaker 1: would know because Sois is actually his middle name. His

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Speaker 1: name is Theodore Sois Geisel or Giesel? Is it geisel

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Speaker 1: er Giesel? It would be Geisel in German. That you

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Speaker 1: go with a second vowel, So Theodore sois Geisel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it's sort of when I saw that, everyone

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Speaker 1: basically was like SEUs until he eventually was like fine,

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Speaker 1: like I can't fight this fight any longer. Well, they're like,

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Speaker 1: we'll spell it differently then. But they reminded me of

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Speaker 1: Joe Theisman. Oh yeah, the very famous story of the

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Speaker 1: quarterback Joe Theisman who changed his spelling or his pronunciation

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Speaker 1: to Theisman to ron with Heisman, right, which I think

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Speaker 1: is the story. I think that's true. No, No, I

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Speaker 1: think that's true. Real. Yeah, what do you think that

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Speaker 1: was just like an old football tale. No, I've never

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Speaker 1: heard of though, you're just being funny. Oh no, that

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Speaker 1: that really happened, and that really came back to bite

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Speaker 1: him in the rump when his thigh bone broke opened.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I guess my knee would have busted if

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Speaker 1: he had just kept that these is that not okay?

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Speaker 1: Too soon? So we're obviously once we get into Joe

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Speaker 1: thisman leg breaking talk, we're talking about dr Sis. That's,

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Speaker 1: like I said, Theodore Soyce geisl Um, who is I

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Speaker 1: can't really think of a children's book author that is

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Speaker 1: more widely known maybe Charles Schultz. Maybe I think is

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Speaker 1: like a comic strip guy. Children's children's book like Judy Bloom. Sure,

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Speaker 1: but I don't know if I call her children's book

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Speaker 1: that Teddy geisl huh holds that distinct for sure. At

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Speaker 1: the very least, his work, his drawing is just immediately

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Speaker 1: recognizable his style. Yeah, I mean that font we you

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Speaker 1: on the obyright. No, it's not his. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: what is that great font that he uses for his

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Speaker 1: book titles? And I don't know what he used. He

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Speaker 1: probably just handrew it, I imagine. But um, now there

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Speaker 1: are fonts called uh so ice doctors s o O

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Speaker 1: can gank that sure did for Christmas shirts. I haven't

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Speaker 1: wearing like Huge Jenko's the last time I heard the

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Speaker 1: back time. I use it too, so should we go

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Speaker 1: back to the beginning, Yes, back to Springfield, mass Choose

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Speaker 1: it's a nineteen o four, that's right, March two. As

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Speaker 1: a matter of fact, fellow Pisces uh dr Soyce was

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Speaker 1: born h Teddy Geisel and his grandpaps had come from

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Speaker 1: Germany in the mid eighteen hundreds bought a brewery because

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Speaker 1: they were good Germans. They knew all about beer and originally,

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Speaker 1: get this, the name of the brewery was Combak and Geisel,

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Speaker 1: Springfield Breweries Company, which his father then ran um And

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Speaker 1: you should do a show. Uh. So World War one

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Speaker 1: I kid. Uh. So they were German, uh that the

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Speaker 1: La Sigue. Yeah. Actually, one of my favorite books, um,

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Speaker 1: Dartmouth did bestow an honorary degree to make him an

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Speaker 1: I've been waiting a long time, chuck. And are they

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Speaker 1: as worthless as I think they are? Totally? Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean sure you'll get like the discounted Wendy's that they offered.

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Speaker 1: But that's that's really the only perk aside from saying, like,

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Speaker 1: telling people to call me Dr. Clark. I'll just I'll

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Speaker 1: be more personal. I'll be Dr Josh like a chiropractor.

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Speaker 1: University and the backdoor version pretty much. Yeahs um alright.

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Speaker 1: or whatever. Like you figure it out naturally, And I

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00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: wonder why we're geared toward that. Yeah, it's funny too,

424
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: because obviously read a lot of kids books every night now,

425
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: and some of them are great, and some of them

426
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: just like they'll do a word that doesn't quite rhyme,

427
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 1: and I'm always like, come on, or they'll stuff too

428
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: much in a line and it's not like graceful in

429
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: the read, I'm like, man, this is lame. Do better

430
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: orange and door hinge. Hey, that's not bad. Well that's out, okay.

431
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,640
Speaker 1: Very famously can rhyme something with orange, which I found

432
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,760
Speaker 1: out because I think I said nothing rhymes with orange,

433
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: and well everyone's always said that because that's true. Well

434
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: I meant it door hinge. That's funny. So he created

435
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: a children's book on that anapestic t trameter called and

436
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: this is a story no One Can Beat that was

437
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: later changed and published in ninety seven as and to

438
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 1: think that I saw it on Mulberry Street because he

439
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 1: had an old friend that he ran into from Dartmouth

440
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: that turned out to be a children's book editor at

441
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: Vanguard Press. So I read an account of the story,

442
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: and the person saying telling the story said, had he

443
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 1: been walking on the other side of the street that day,

444
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: he may have never become a children's author. Like it

445
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: was that fateful um. He his friend from Dartmouth was

446
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: a new children's book editor at Vanguard, you said, And

447
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: it was so new that he was looking for material.

448
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: And Dr Seuss happened to be walking around with the

449
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: manuscript on him and just happened to be down there

450
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: and they ran into each other and this book got

451
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: published and that was the one where he first made

452
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 1: his name as a children's book writer. You're right, and

453
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: shout out to Stephen Barr, book agent. That's right. Uh

454
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: So this, this uh antipastic to traametter is what he

455
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: basically stuck with the rest of his career. He would

456
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: alter it here and there, use other meters here and there,

457
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 1: but this is where he you know, as Ed said,

458
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: that was his bread and butter. And it's very waltz

459
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: like you can count it off in three or four time,

460
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: and it just was sort of perfect for kids books.

461
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: And with that first kid's book, Um, and to think

462
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: I saw in the Mulberry Street Apparently it's about a

463
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: kid named Marco who sees a horse and cart on

464
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: the street and as he's retelling it, it just becomes

465
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: this bigger and bigger and more like bizarre and grand

466
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: thing that he saw. Um. And this will come back

467
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,320
Speaker 1: later on in the episode. Yeah. So he's writing these books.

468
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: He's doing okay. Uh. He had his fourth book was

469
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: called Horton Hatches the Egg. I think that's where we

470
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 1: first meet Horton. Um. But but he wasn't like lighting

471
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: the world on fire. And then that's when he goes

472
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: in the army. Right, and let me tell you the

473
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: story about getting caught in the Battle of the Bulge. Again,

474
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: here we go. So he makes it through World War two,

475
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: he escapes with his life from the Battle of the Bulge,

476
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: and when he comes out of World War Two, he goes,

477
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: um right back to writing books. And he he wrote

478
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: a few more in the forties. Um. I believe he

479
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: wrote yourl the Turtle, which I know is an allegory

480
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: for Hitler, and he was on record say yeah, apparently

481
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: the early drafts of it he had drawn a Hitler

482
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 1: mustache on yoursal the Turtle. It's about anti authoritarianian Is

483
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 1: that Hitler or Michael Jordan's. Does he have a Hitler mustache?

484
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: He did very famously, and that this one Haynes Stevie

485
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: commercial and everyone was like, uh, someone not told him.

486
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 1: I don't I didn't see that. I'll have to show

487
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: you picture. I had my head in the sand like

488
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: I was Charles Limberg or something. Oh, that's a nice

489
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: circular reft. It's just for you and me. Um. So

490
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: he was writing some more and he was. I mean,

491
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: he was selling like thousands of copies every every time

492
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: he released a book. He was a known children's author.

493
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: He had already established his his style as something that

494
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: was pretty recognizable around the United States. But it wasn't

495
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: until the mid fifties that things really changed for him.

496
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: Oh wow, it is a Hitler mustache. There's no taken that.

497
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: It's it's a decision. Um. So I think in nineteen

498
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: fifty five there was a book written called why Can't

499
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: Johnny Read? Right? And a guy named Rudolph Flesh And

500
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: I realized what we've jumped over. We'll get back to

501
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm not ready for you yet, right, Um, a guy

502
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: named Rudolph Flesh It was this, Yeah, f l e age,

503
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: it would be a good one though. Yeah, you'd have

504
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: to call yourself Rudy too. And anyway, Rudolf Flesh Um,

505
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: he wrote Why Can't Johnny Read? And it was basically

506
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: like an indictment of the American public school system, the

507
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: education system, and how we taught kids to read. And

508
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: it was equally an indictment of like Dick and Jane,

509
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: and the way that kids used to read or be

510
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: taught to read was just basically, here are words on

511
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: a page, memorize them. This is a red ball. This

512
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: is the word read. Don't be an idiot red ball

513
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: say it's kind of the worst way to teach kids

514
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: stuff it is. And the guy in the article said, um.

515
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: He wrote an article in Life later on too, he said,

516
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: you know, he would be a great children's book author

517
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: to teach kids how to read? Is Dr Seuss? He

518
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: hates kids, He's already writing books for kids. Why but

519
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: if he just directed that toward actually teaching them how

520
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: to read, that be that kids would definitely want that.

521
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: And it turns out that, um, an editor I think

522
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: at Houghton Mifflin or somebody wherever, wherever Dr SEUs was

523
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: writing at the time under Mifflin dunder Mifflin, what you

524
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: got me? Um? He said, that's actually a pretty good idea.

525
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: And that's where we got the cat in the hat.

526
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: That's right, it was. It was originally meant as a

527
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 1: reading primer. I think there were words and and very

528
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: famously his editor bet him after that that he could

529
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: not write a book with only fifty words. And he went,

530
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: take this book green eggs and ham and shove it

531
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,239
Speaker 1: and shove it and give me my fifty dollars, right,

532
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: and that is supposedly true. His editor bet him that

533
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: he could not do so, and that's where green eggs

534
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: and Ham came from. Yeah, and it's fifty words exactly,

535
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: that's right. Um. So he at this point he went

536
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: from ed says, he went from being a well known

537
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: children's author to probably the best known children's author in

538
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah. He'd shown not only could he write fun,

539
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: whimsical um stories with the disguised moral lesson in the

540
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: middle of it too, um, with great illustrations and hand

541
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: drawn fonts and all, that he could actually teach the

542
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: world's children how to read English at least. Yeah. And

543
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: then from that success he he wrote, uh, that same year,

544
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: how the Grinch stold Christmas? That's a big year man,

545
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: So so Cat the Hat and the Grinch of the

546
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: same year, right, yeah, okay, yeah, which is just amazing.

547
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,160
Speaker 1: And then in nine six, of course, we get the

548
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: very famous TV cartoon adaptation, which people still love and

549
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: enjoy today, including me. Uh. And he ended up being

550
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: so successful that they gave him his own imprint at

551
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: Random House. Um. With his wife Helen Palmer Geisel, who

552
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: was um kind of by all accounts that the woman

553
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: behind the man. She was an author herself. She wrote

554
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: quite a few books. One called do you Know Do

555
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: you Know what I'm going to do next Saturday? To you?

556
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: One called I Know What She Did last Summer? Um, Man,

557
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: it's funny. Adding those two words just makes it threatening.

558
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: It's a horror novel. Uh, one called Why I Built

559
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: the Google House, and one called I Was Kissed by

560
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: a Seal at the Zoo. Uh. So I didn't want

561
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: to just kind of wash over her because she she

562
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: was an author, and very sadly she ended up committing

563
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: suicide very late in life. Yeah, within a couple of

564
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: years of an affair that he had yeah um, And

565
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 1: he'd apparently had multiple affairs and her um. Her suicide

566
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: note supposedly referenced this, this feeling that she'd kind of

567
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: been overshadowed by him in his career. And like you said,

568
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 1: she was very much the woman behind the man, and

569
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,959
Speaker 1: I think expected to support him and all that thing,

570
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: and she did. She put her own career away so

571
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: that she could handle his correspondence and business affairs. She

572
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: was in charge of correspondence to like sick kids that

573
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: wrote them our entire classes. And um, she was she

574
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: was he all he he was the artistic genius who

575
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: just needed to be left alone so he could make

576
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: these books every year, and she handled everything else. And

577
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: ask somebody to put their career away so that you

578
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: can have yours. It's a big thing to ask somebody. Yeah,

579
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 1: I mean she was sixty nine when she uh, and

580
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: I believe I said committed suicide earlier. I apologize, I know,

581
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: we don't use that term anymore, So we say now

582
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: that she died by suicide, Yeah, because committed makes it

583
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 1: sound like, oh my god, she committed a sin. Yeah,

584
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: and we people have written in about that, and I was,

585
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: I was. We were both glad to be made aware

586
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: of that. So she was sixteen, ten years old and

587
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: apparently also suffered from uh Gilliam bear bar game bar

588
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: a syndrome. Yeah. We got corrected on that some other time.

589
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: It's how I remember of how to pronounce it. Yeah.

590
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: Uh so, I mean, who knows why someone eventually takes

591
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: that path in life. Could be a lot of factors,

592
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: but yeah, October sixty seven, she overdosed on medication after

593
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: they've been married for forty years too. Yeah, man um

594
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: and so shortly after that he married Audrey Diamond geisl

595
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: who's his widow, who is I believe still alive and

596
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: basically running his estate still. Yeah, her name was Audrey

597
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: Stone Diamond, but it was d I M O N

598
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: D no A. Oh yeah, which is interesting. I wonder

599
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: if it's efficient. But yes, she became Soyce and he went,

600
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: just go ahead and get used to it. It's SEUs.

601
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: She's like, really, I've always said Soyce. He's like, I

602
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: love you. And she had two daughters. Uh, And he said,

603
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 1: I bet you they'd love boarding school. Yeah, and she

604
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: went okay, And she later on even said, uh, this

605
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: is a direct quote. She said they wouldn't have been

606
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: happy with Ted, and Ted wouldn't have been happy with them. Yeah.

607
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: He really did not want kids or kids to be around.

608
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: He just liked doing the books that he liked to do.

609
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting. So he um that nineteen fifty seven year,

610
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 1: that was a big breakout year for him, and um,

611
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: that was kind of the year that he became the

612
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: doctor SEUs that we we see. But he kept writing

613
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: for many many years, I mean up until his death.

614
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: In he apparently cranked out like a book a year. Um,

615
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 1: some of the some of them over time kind of

616
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: took on much more progressive tones until he became the

617
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: Doctor Seuss that we see today. So prior to that though, Um,

618
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: in recent years, some people have kind of said, hey,

619
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: you know, Dr SEUs had some really racist, bigoted stuff

620
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: in his early work, and it's become kind of this

621
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: national conversation to kind of figure out how to do this,

622
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: because everyone loves Dr SEUs, loves Dr SEUs, there's nobody

623
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 1: who doesn't like Dr Seuss. But if you or his work,

624
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 1: I should say, but if you if you start digging into,

625
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: especially some of his early work, it becomes problematic. Um,

626
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: you want to take a break, Okay, all right, all right,

627
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: let's take a break and we will take part in

628
00:36:41,239 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: that national conversation right after this. Alright, Chuck, So it's

629
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:07,800
Speaker 1: national conversation time. So Dr Seuss, especially in his earliest

630
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: work as Jack o' lantern and judge writer, the Humor

631
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: magazine writer, a lot of his stuff was extremely racist,

632
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 1: as Ed puts it, not just racist for the time,

633
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: but but monstrously racist stuff. Yeah, like uh, full on

634
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: blackface caricatures, um, depicted African American characters, as lazy savages

635
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: have too many kids. He made jokes about slavery. There's

636
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: one way can't even read on this show, but it's awful.

637
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: Yeah right. Um. He also, especially as after Pearl Harbor,

638
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: directed a lot of his creative energy toward making ugly

639
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: caricatures of Japan and depicting Japanese and Japanese Americans in

640
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: really unflattering light too. Yeah, and apparently supported tournament. Uh

641
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: and this isn't you know, you don't want to drag

642
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: somebody through the mud, but if we're going to give

643
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: a picture of the man, this is who he was

644
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 1: earlier in his life. Right, So Ed makes a really

645
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: good point. I think Ed's a great American for the

646
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 1: way that he kind of kind of handled this too. Um.

647
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: He's saying that, uh that if you look at his

648
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 1: early stuff, he was a younger man at the time,

649
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: and I think it was we should also say it

650
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: qualifies as like none of this excuses anything, but but

651
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: you know, look at the whole, the whole picture of

652
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 1: the person. Um, if you look at his earlier stuff

653
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: or his his worst most racist stuff is when he

654
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: was youngest, and his most progressive stuff that everybody knows

655
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: and loves his Dr Seuss when the world was kind

656
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: of changing too. It's not like in N nine and

657
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: he was like, I'm gonna deliver, I'm gonna serve up

658
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: a good old racist cartoon, right exactly. It's not like

659
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: he invented sea monkeys or something like that. Right. Um,

660
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: So he kind of progressed with the world. And not

661
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: only did he progress with the world and kind of

662
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: change his views too to take on much more progressive stuff. Um.

663
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: Themes like um like, uh, bigotry with the sneeches is

664
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: about discriminating against people and just how ridiculous that is

665
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: how people are actually people. Um. A lot of people

666
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: point to Horton here's a who as a bit of

667
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: a mia culpa for his treatment of the Japanese prior

668
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 1: to World War two and during World War two. Um,

669
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: the lorax is obviously pro environmentalism. Um. He fully changed

670
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: one of us books altogether, an earlier version of and

671
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: And to think of so On on on Mulberry Street. Yeah,

672
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: it had the word chinaman in there. It was worse

673
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: than chinaman, and he he changed that to Chinese person

674
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: like in the publication of the book for future printings. Um.

675
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: So he he definitely Um evolved his his works of volts.

676
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: He never came out in public he said, Hey, I'm

677
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,720
Speaker 1: really sorry about all the racist stuff that I did earlier.

678
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: Um by the time he died in I think that

679
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: that really wasn't the way that the the world was

680
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: turning at the time. But he does seem to have

681
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: evolved and changed with the times and and did go

682
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: back and revise some stuff that had crept into his

683
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,439
Speaker 1: his work. Yeah. And this is um come to light

684
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: more prominently in the past few years because there have

685
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: been like some book festivals and children's literature festivals that

686
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,439
Speaker 1: have either been boycotted or where they've sort of tried

687
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: to make him a little less prominent. The cat and

688
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: the Hat I think was used. Um, wasn't it like

689
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: an official Read across America? Right here was the mascot

690
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: for it? Yeah, And did they officially remove the captain.

691
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: I think they've backed a little bit away from from

692
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: the Cat in the Hat as a mascot, if not entirely.

693
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: And I think that they've kind of like Dr Seuss

694
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: books are not like the focal of the Read Across

695
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: America campaign like they were right. Uh. And then last

696
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: year Millennia Trump made the news when she gifted a

697
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 1: library some Dr. Seuss books, and the librarian refused that

698
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: gift and said they are steeped in racist propaganda, caricatures,

699
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: and harmful stereotypes. I don't know that that all is

700
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: necessarily true, is it? Yeah? You know, I think that

701
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: might have been a little too harsh. Well, I mean,

702
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: if it's if I'm wrong, I don't want to know.

703
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: The only thing that I've seen that could be pointed

704
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: to in his work, like his books, was the was

705
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: the reference in drawing of the Chinese guy um in

706
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: his first book, And to think I saw it on

707
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: Mulberry Street. I didn't see anything else. I saw some

708
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 1: reference that maybe the cat in the hat was supposed

709
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: to be black face, but I I saw that one

710
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: place right and nowhere else. It seemed to be his

711
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 1: earlier work, not as children's books. And I didn't see

712
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: any racist propaganda that had that was hidden in books.

713
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: If anything, the books that you would give a library,

714
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: and I didn't know. I don't know what title she

715
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: gave would have been the more progressive stuff. Yes, she

716
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 1: didn't go there and say here, look, here's the old

717
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: Jack O lantern here's the really dirty stuff, college humor,

718
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 1: racist cartoons. Um. And Yeah, to say that his work

719
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: was steeped in racist propaganda when talking about the children's books,

720
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: is I agree, it's not accurate, right. What I'm what

721
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out is is that librarian hip

722
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: to something we don't know about or or not. I'm

723
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 1: very curious to know, Like if we didn't dig quite

724
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: deep enough. I'm a little surprised because you know us,

725
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 1: but um, I want to know if we're missing something

726
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: that Yeah, for sure. Um. I found an article where

727
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 1: they were just asking a lot of professionals, um in

728
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: children's literature what they thought about all this Because I'm

729
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: a big dummy, you know, I don't know how to

730
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: figure this stuff out of my own uh. And and Neelie,

731
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: she's a professor of children's lit at Vanderbilt, said this,

732
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,240
Speaker 1: just as every author illustrator is. I think Theodore Geisel

733
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 1: was a product of his time. We should not judge

734
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: him by today's standards, but we must evaluate his books

735
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: that we decided to share with children using today's standards.

736
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: That a really great point. Yeah, we cannot wallow in

737
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: our own nostalgia when we make choices for the books

738
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: we share with young children. They're simply too many outstanding

739
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: books available, especially also of the books that were raising

740
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: our kids on it. It's new to them. If it's

741
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: if it is steeped in racist propaganda that we're not

742
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: realizing we're sharing or perpetuating, then yeah, that shouldn't be

743
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: the case. And Ed makes the great point that in

744
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties and thirties it was the exceptional American

745
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 1: who broke out of that mold and was very progressive. Uh.

746
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: And I wish he would have been one of those,

747
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 1: but he wasn't. Yeah, And I think that's one of

748
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: the reasons why it's there's such a cognitive dissonance when

749
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 1: you find this stuff out is because that's what you

750
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: think of Dr. Seuss based on his work, that like,

751
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: he would be that kind of guy, but he was human.

752
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: His work is larger than him because I think what

753
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: it is. And that's the case with just about everything.

754
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: It seems like, yeah, I mean, I don't want this

755
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: to taint your reading of how the grinchtl Christmas this year.

756
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 1: Although another thing that he was called out on once

757
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,919
Speaker 1: was his um there was no female protagonists in any

758
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: of his books either again products at the time, Yeah,

759
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: he was a man writing about little male characters. But

760
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: he went and created a daisy headed Mazie after that,

761
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: so um he so again. His books became more progressive

762
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: further on in his career and he handled things like

763
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:36,360
Speaker 1: um segregation and discrimination like with the Sneeches Um. The

764
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: Butter Battle Book was a clear, like glaring allegory for

765
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 1: the Cold War in the mutual assured destruction arms race.

766
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: Kind of a haunting book that ends without any resolution

767
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 1: with both sides, the Yuks and the Zooks. I think, um,

768
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: with their bombs pointed at one another, and it doesn't.

769
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: It's not like and they lived happily ever after. It's like,

770
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 1: what's going to happen? And then his last book that

771
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 1: he wrote and published while he was alive was Oh

772
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: the Places You'll Go, which I had no idea was published,

773
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: did you. I didn't know anything about it, so it

774
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: was not. It was his last book that was published

775
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: while he's alive. It's also his top selling book. So

776
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: some of these other books have been around for decades

777
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: longer than All the Places You'll Go. But All the

778
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 1: Places You'll Go is this top selling book. Because it's

779
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: given to grads. Uh every spring there's a new batch

780
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: of graduates who get All the Places You'll Go as

781
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: a gift, and like ten million copies have been sold

782
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 1: because it's about like your your future from what a

783
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: wait to just like doing things and taking risks and

784
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: like trying stuff and you can do it and it'll

785
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: be hard and you're going to run into two problems,

786
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 1: but you know you're you're you're a good person and

787
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: you're going to make good choices. And I have a

788
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: story about this. So last night, Um, I was talking

789
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: to you me and I was like, just out of nowhere.

790
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: I was like, did you know that of the Place

791
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,720
Speaker 1: She'll Go was only published in but it's Dr Seus's

792
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: greatest selling book. And she just looked at me kind

793
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: of like a little flabbergas, like why would you say that.

794
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, we're doing a Doctor SEUs episode tomorrow,

795
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: and she's like, that's really weird. I'll be right back.

796
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: And she went into our bedroom and came back out

797
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: with a copy of All the Places You'll Go and

798
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: said this has been under your pillow. She said, I

799
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: was going to give this to you tomorrow for the

800
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 1: last episode of the End of the World. But I

801
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: just happened to bring it up the day before, and

802
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, I thought that was really surprised. Man,

803
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: how things work out. But I read it as recently

804
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: as last night. I'm like, this is an amazing even

805
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 1: for SEUs, it's an amazing book. Like an article I

806
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: read said that somebody somebody said, like, you can tell

807
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: that he knew this was the last book that that

808
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: was going to be published while he was alive, that

809
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: he wanted this to be as his swan song. Interesting, Yeah,

810
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: I would not be surprised talking about his more progressive

811
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: views and sort of catching up with the time if

812
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: either Ellen and or Audrey as the women behind the Man,

813
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: we weren't helping him along in that respect and saying

814
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: like hey, get with it. Ohh like for changing his views.

815
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: Maybe I thought that as well. I could totally see that. Yeah,

816
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: because if you think about it, Helen Palmer came into

817
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: his life. Um, yeah, yeah, I could see her having

818
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: that influence on him. Yeah. He passed away finally of

819
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 1: cancer sept seven. And I remember this because that was

820
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: a rough week. Uh. I was in college and he

821
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: and Miles Davis died about five or six days apart,

822
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: and I just remember being like, man, this is this

823
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: is one of those tough ones for dude, it's my age.

824
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: They were beeboppers and children's book readers at the same time.

825
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,280
Speaker 1: I've got one last thing for you about Dr Seuss.

826
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else? And I got one more

827
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: thing too first, Okay, I'll go first. He was a

828
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: voracious chain smoker, interesting so much so that even back

829
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: in like the fifties and sixties, he knew he needed

830
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: to lay off sometimes. So when he needed to lay

831
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: off of smoking, he would um take up. He would

832
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: take up a corn cob pipe that he kept turn

833
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: up seeds in, and anytime he wanted to smoke, rather

834
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: than light it, he would put a water dropper in there,

835
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: and then when the turn up seeds started to sprout,

836
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:26,439
Speaker 1: he would go back to cigarettes. What yes, I don't

837
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: fully understand that. He would start a little corn cob pipe,

838
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: turn up seeds, and then rather than light it, he

839
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 1: would just put a seed dropper in puff on it.

840
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: But nothing was going on. It's all just mental oral fixation.

841
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: And then after about three days of doing this, the

842
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: seeds would would sprout. German eight, and he'd be like, okay,

843
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: I can go back to cigarettes now. So you take

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Speaker 1: thought you were going to say that that went on

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Speaker 1: to feed like the children in poor neighborhoods or something

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Speaker 1: who hate turn ups. Kids don't mat turn ups. Turn

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Speaker 1: ups are great. I agree. I'm a I'm a root

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Speaker 1: vegetable man myself, so my last thing. In two thousand seven,

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Speaker 1: the federal judge h received a hard boiled egg in

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Speaker 1: the mail from an inmate in prison protesting his diet

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Speaker 1: in prison and the federal The federal judge rendered a decision,

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Speaker 1: remember even what it was about, but he rendered a decision. Thusly,

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Speaker 1: I do not like eggs in the file. This is

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Speaker 1: Judge James um your head. I do not like them

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Speaker 1: in any style. I will not take them fried or boiled.

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Speaker 1: I will not take them poached or broiled. I will

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Speaker 1: not take them softer scrambled despite an argument, well rambled,

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Speaker 1: No fan, I am of the egg at hand. Destroyed

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Speaker 1: that egg today today, today, I say, without delay, And

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Speaker 1: was drunk. No, I don't know. Um wow, I wonder

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Speaker 1: what came out of that. I don't know. And and

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Speaker 1: was even on I know, like the guys like, no, really,

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Speaker 1: this is a serious complaint. Please, you're focusing on the

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Speaker 1: wrong thing. Someone help me. Oh goodness. If you want

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Speaker 1: to know more about Dr Seuss, go research and make

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Speaker 1: your own decisions about the man, the work, all that stuff. Okay, agreed. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And since I said that, it's time for listener mail. No,

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Speaker 1: this is our last show of the year, so no

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Speaker 1: thank everyone here and year. Is this the end of

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Speaker 1: April is the beginning and end of a year, right,

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Speaker 1: but the end of our calendar year. And we just

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Speaker 1: thank everyone for hanging in for this long with us.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing that we're still allowed to do this job,

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Speaker 1: hanging there. It'll pay off eventually, and we're gonna keep

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Speaker 1: at it forever forever. And on a personal note, a

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Speaker 1: very happy birthday to my dear sweet wife you me

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Speaker 1: birthday birthday you me uh, And thank you guys for

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Speaker 1: being with us for yet another year, and we'll see

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Speaker 1: you next year, everybody. For more on this and thousands

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