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Speaker 1: and we got a great I think a really interesting

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Speaker 1: podcast for you market. Martin Kissinovich is gonna join us.

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Speaker 1: He didn't. He was like a walk on you see,

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Speaker 1: San Diego became Well, I'll let him tell the story

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Speaker 1: of what he became and now has become like an

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Speaker 1: of unique career path, and you know, we'll get to

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Speaker 1: all the things that he learned and guys that he

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Speaker 1: how he's been able to get in didn't start coaching

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Speaker 1: until he's thirty five years old now and his his

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Speaker 1: mid forties. So I thought that'd be interesting for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a pod we'll draw up here in

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Speaker 1: the next coming days about my experience in coaching in

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Speaker 1: Israel with the Maccabi Games team that's like the Jewish Olympics.

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Speaker 1: Some of you've seen it. I posted on social media.

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Speaker 1: It was an incredible experience. But I will tell you

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Speaker 1: that coaching in the fever rules like I did four

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Speaker 1: second shot clock. I used to be a fan of

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Speaker 1: You can't call it live ball, time out. Love it.

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Speaker 1: Just a game flows better, And I'll be honest with you,

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Speaker 1: I actually don't mind the quarters either. Um, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you need the quarters. You probably do just

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Speaker 1: And you learn so many things with different movement from

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Speaker 1: of eye opening experience. Before we get to that, let's

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Speaker 1: joins me fresh off of coaching with the Cavs Summer

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Speaker 1: League team. Your earliest memories of the who are where?

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Speaker 1: And when? I grew up a soccer kid. I'm from Europe,

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Speaker 1: So we always start with soccer. Uh for me, I

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Speaker 1: over ten minutes like I've been mapped. I'm not trying

425
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Speaker 1: to be here all day. It's inefficient. Like we got

426
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: ten minutes for conditioning, Uh three, four, ten, running up

427
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Speaker 1: and down right, five ball shooting, let's call it. We

428
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 1: got ten minutes for shell We'll do five minutes to

429
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 1: get some shooting, some drifts whatever. Like. He would stick

430
00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: to it, and I didn't have that before. And I

431
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 1: found that prior to that, my practice would just go

432
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 1: so long. It was just so inefficient. And I really

433
00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 1: learned that from him. Uh what about um, when you're

434
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 1: doing film, when you're in video. Yeah, what were some

435
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 1: of the things that evolved you as a coach there,

436
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: I'll say, you get better and uh watching I was

437
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,200
Speaker 1: doing all the coaches clips anytime coaches wanted something doing.

438
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 1: It's a little different. JE League is a lot younger.

439
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: It's more player development and video guys. Is the vibe

440
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: I get. And and back then I was thirty five

441
00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 1: and I was the youngest coach on the staff of

442
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: all X players. So I'm like, I was like rook

443
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 1: at thirty five, UM three six Actually, so I was

444
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 1: doing all the video no no chit chat no like

445
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,360
Speaker 1: hey we're buddies. No no no, no, I need this now

446
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: like UM. At the time, we use a lot of Synergy,

447
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 1: which I think at the time they were moving to

448
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: sport Code, which is now more popular, but Mark Cuban

449
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: owned Synergy, so we kind of I was kind of

450
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: playing that game. I was, I was doing a lot

451
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: of my work on Synergy, but transferring it to sport

452
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: Code or also doing it on sport Code for the

453
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: other because I would communicate with our teams right and

454
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: other coaches. But it definitely learned a lot watching different

455
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: coverages and especially with him an exos no bs, like

456
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna let you know you're doing a crappy job,

457
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: and that's good. The thing, the worst thing you do

458
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 1: for a young coach coming up is make him think

459
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: he's doing a good job when he's not. Like you

460
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 1: need to tell me, You need to tell them like, no,

461
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: it's not gonna cut it, like this is not what

462
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,480
Speaker 1: It's not gonna make us better, not gonna make the

463
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 1: player better. So by the end of the season, I

464
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 1: was really better at just doing video sessions myself with

465
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: players with the team. And it's because he was real

466
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 1: with me and told me like, hey, this doesn't work,

467
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,960
Speaker 1: like cut that out. Um. But another thing I learned

468
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 1: is less is more from that video coordinator work. Less

469
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: is more. You can't give guys too much yep. Um.

470
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: Same with the practice, right, the efficiency of it is

471
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 1: really important. They lose their focus and tran thought and

472
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: it it you know, it carries down kind of the

473
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: thought process. That a couple of little things. How the

474
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Speaker 1: team do. We were good if we were probably the

475
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: I think at that time at the time, I think

476
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: we were the best Legends team at at All Star

477
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: Break because we had we had some good guys that

478
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: teams guys have played overseas like a two holloway Jamil

479
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,240
Speaker 1: Wilson had played in the tea BT every year. He'said

480
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 1: that back then he was a GE League D League star. Um. Uh.

481
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: Mid season, we got a couple name guys Josh Children's,

482
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,439
Speaker 1: Chris Douglas Roberts who back then we're you know, just

483
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: got done playing you know in NBA and Josh was

484
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: in Australia. So we had some really good players to

485
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: lean on and really had a good we just we

486
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: we had a bad end to the season just because

487
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: start looting, losing guys. Guys took deals back then, you know,

488
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: if you're not getting called up by February taking his

489
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: job in Europe, Um, no question. Now it's different with

490
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: the ge League contracts. Fox Sports Radio has the best

491
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492
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493
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494
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: see you get down with that season he bumped up

495
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: into year? Did you go back to Semily? Uh? Yes,

496
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 1: I was going every year back then. Helped the MAVs

497
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: a little bit on Summer League. I wasn't on the

498
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: staff because MAVs just have an army of player to

499
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: them and guys probably still, but I was around the staff.

500
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 1: I helped them out. I was there talking to their coaches. Um.

501
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: I took a job after that in Lebanon as a

502
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 1: head coach. I just something all big a headquaters just

503
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: really appealed to me from my Mexico experience. Uh So

504
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: I went to Lebanon, which was a good league. Right now,

505
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: they're kind of struggling economically as a country. But back

506
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 1: then it was a good midle Eastern league. Um X

507
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: NBA guys. You get three imports like a lot of places,

508
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: and the budges were pretty good. Um, so that was

509
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: the picture. Okay. You come from your living in you know,

510
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: you were living in San Diego and you're coaching in Dallas. Okay, Um,

511
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: you flew from where to go to land in Lebanon.

512
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: I think we stopped in in France. You know Lebanons

513
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: they speak French over there, so a lot of those

514
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: flights go through Paris, okay, and then uh you land

515
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: in May route. Yeah. Well you remember, nicer than I

516
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: expected on the coast, um really nice, like like like

517
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,199
Speaker 1: a lot of cities. You can go certain parts and

518
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: it's maybe not as developed infrastructure wise, but on the coast,

519
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: Beirut is as nice as you'll find. Um, and the

520
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: whole city is pretty much on the coast. Like all

521
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: the teams are along the coast. So I felt like

522
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: almost like if I compared to like Malibu, who was

523
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: like a Maliblie, We're just going up and down the coast.

524
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,479
Speaker 1: All the proteins. Obviously we were the smaller club. They

525
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: just got promoted. But I had a good experience because

526
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: one of the coaches there was Pixie. His name is

527
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: Slobana Slo super teach, so he's a he played in Greece, UH,

528
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: from former Yugoslavia. UM, he's coached everywhere. Just a great

529
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: overseas coach, and he was coaching the big club there

530
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: and really got to pick his brain and learn a lot.

531
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: We had lunch every week. You know. I don't think

532
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: my club liked it too much because they're very territorial there.

533
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 1: But I was just trying to learn and and and

534
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: grow as a coach. But he was a great dude

535
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: to UH to learn from, even though a different team.

536
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: So what what did you learn from him? More player development?

537
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: Really digging into because overseas, especially from that background your

538
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: former Serbian coach Montenegro technically but it's called Serbia. Uh,

539
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,360
Speaker 1: it's a little different approach to player development. UM, you're

540
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: activating You're not just going through muscle memory stuff. You're

541
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: also activating kind of central nervous system stuff. Everything's got

542
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: to be coordinated with like you know, when I say one,

543
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: you do this, When I say three, you do that,

544
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: And you have to kind of work that in with

545
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 1: your drill or maybe even the stuff you see sometimes

546
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: with like non basketball stuff where you're just touching you know,

547
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: a certain color when I blow the whistle right, or

548
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: if I blow the whistle twice, So activating different things

549
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 1: in space of just doing basketball and muscle memory stuff. Um.

550
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: Also from him strategy fee. But you you just exposed

551
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: to so much different strategy wise. It comes after you.

552
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: You experienced this, It comes at you wildly. You'll just

553
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: you scouted a team, you have three guys scout, everyone

554
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: knows that team, and then they'll just all of a

555
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 1: sudden go through like a one three one zone and

556
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: you're just it looks like they've been practicing it for

557
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: two weeks, like and you just got to counter it

558
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: and adjust on the fly. Yeah, if I found it

559
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: to be I like the rules of the game in

560
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: terms of the way the time outs work. I think

561
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: it's a more free flowing game. I love it with

562
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: the obviously regardless NBA or whatever. But I like the

563
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: four team second reset. I like a lot of the

564
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: rules that they have. Um, how about the how about

565
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: taking it off the rim? What do you think that too? Yeah? Yeah,

566
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: no offensive or defensive passing interference and I love that.

567
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: That's a I'm a fan of that role. I don't

568
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: understand their interpretation of travels somewhat like that's a hard

569
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: one for me to get. Um. And then you know,

570
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: I feel like there's way too much a lower body contact,

571
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: which you get away with, but that that it stuff

572
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: is more of an adjustment off the ball. You can

573
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: do whatever you want on the ball. They really protect shooter.

574
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: That's probably the easiest way. Um. Yeah, what were the

575
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: what were the gyms? Like good better the Mexico you know,

576
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: not not just to compare our story there, but like, uh,

577
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: good gyms. Um, they have good budgets there, fans are

578
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: or wild, you know for their team obviously where we're

579
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: what what's your budget for three Americans? I was a

580
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: lower budget team, so we just got promoted. But over

581
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: there now right now, no Lebanons having hard times and

582
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: they're playing I don't even think they're playing with importans.

583
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: So but back then they were probably right behind her

584
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: on as far as in the Middle East, as far

585
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: as budget you could. Some of these guys are making

586
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: fifteen a month picking at the game a month on

587
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: on the bigger clubs, I mean, there were some XMBA guys.

588
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: You know, they don't go there just for the weather.

589
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: You know, um ours are different miles probably about five

590
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: k month for import. But we were the small club

591
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: trying to kind of make our way in that first division.

592
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, the big club that some guys um coming

593
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: over from big clubs like in Greece. Greece is really

594
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: respected there um for whatever reason. Lebanon, you know Pixie

595
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: the coach I was talking about, super teacher. He coached

596
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: in Greece for years. So you're a legend if you work.

597
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: If you're good in Greece, you're good in Lebanon. That's

598
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: kind of like they're what it is. But since the

599
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: Serbian coach, I kind of slid by. I kind of

600
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: I'm serving what I need to be. But but now

601
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: back to your course. Budgets for good gyms were pretty good.

602
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: What was your living situation? Like very nice? I'm looking

603
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: at them staring at the water Mediterranean. Um. I'm one

604
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: of those guys when I coach overseas, I've been five countries.

605
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: I don't like to be indoors. I'm always either jogging

606
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: or walking somewhere. So some of the places in Lebanon,

607
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: the Beirut. They're like, coach, don't walk over there, like,

608
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: but I can't help. Really, I don't. I can't be

609
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: cooped up. I want to. That's how I see the city.

610
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: You know. I'm a kind of similar when you've been overseas.

611
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: You want to kind of see what's up, you know.

612
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to be watching Netflix all day when

613
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: I'm not watching our games and our clips and our

614
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 1: our video. But um, but it was nice because all

615
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: on the code, so you know, you can't get lost.

616
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: There's the ocean and my apartment's gotta be either one

617
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: way or the other, and I can it's easier to

618
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: get a track of that. Yeah, favorite food you ate

619
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: when you're in Lebanon. It was a lot of good stuff.

620
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean the hummas was different than hummus here. First

621
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: of all, Like you think you're having Middle Eastern food

622
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: here and you go over there, it's it's um um.

623
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: I like that. I can't remember the name. That's salad.

624
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: That's kind of like minty. Yeah, sal was not supposed

625
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: to be refreshing like that. I was. I was having

626
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: that like three times a day, just just freshens your

627
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: breath and gives you some nutrients. Done, no question question,

628
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: how do your team do? Okay? For the low budget,

629
00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: it was okay. Um. Unfortunately for me, uh to jump

630
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: ahead to you, I know what the next question is?

631
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: What's next? But like fortunately for me, the season ended

632
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: a little early and then I was able to go

633
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: to Canada. I knew a coach I was coaching MBO

634
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: Canada and they were starting back then later. So I

635
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: actually coached two teams in one season what what most

636
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: people call a season right fall the spring. Yeah, um,

637
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: so I went. It was kind of good. I got

638
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: to just judge him right into coaching. I was an

639
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: assistant coach, but it was a former JE league de

640
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: league coach, so more good experience from me up there.

641
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: What what city? I was in Monkton, so ben awhere Monckton,

642
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: which is New Brunswick. If I could, if I if

643
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: someone drew the North Pole, I would think I would.

644
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean it was just blizzard every day. Um uh

645
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: when the when when the snow broke? From Lebanon where

646
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: you're literally walking the beach, you're jog on the beach

647
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: every day, correct to Monkey which is New Brunswick, middle

648
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: of nowhere. Super super cold. Yes, Um, how is the

649
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: bad as all that school was? Okay? You know that

650
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: league which is not doing it's kind of just to

651
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: be real, I think it's kind of you know, there's

652
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: a new league in Canada now, so at least kind

653
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: of falling off a little bit. But back then that's

654
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: where all like the ju Leau guys would go. You know,

655
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: so I played in the G in the D League.

656
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to go overseas, I just go up

657
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 1: to Canada. And so you had a lot of talent

658
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: up there because most of the team was Americans. Um,

659
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: so it was some tough, tough embraise in that league.

660
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: Physical league, um, compared to what you're talking about refereeing

661
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: and feba different refereing up there. It was like high

662
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: school coaches who let everything go just I don't know

663
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: what they were doing, but they they definitely were getting

664
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: paid by the whistle. You know. It was very physical

665
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: league former D League guys. And travel was rough, you

666
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: know because the weather and you're in the bus, you know,

667
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: eight hour trip in the snow. But definitely build a

668
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: character and it's definitely a grind you grow from it,

669
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: for sure. Um so so so then where after that

670
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: back to Mexico. That was the what I mentioned earlier

671
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: was my probably my favorite head coaching job, cool Khan.

672
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: I just I found a group that was former younger guys,

673
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: but the guys who lived in the States too, so

674
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: they didn't they want to change. They want to kind

675
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: of change things a bit. You know, you can't change overnight,

676
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: but they wanted to change how the league work. They

677
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: want to kind of a uh an American coach deal

678
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 1: league experience, which wasn't unheard of over there, but a

679
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: little rare because they're kind of old school. So I

680
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: had a good group. They want to do things a

681
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: little differently in that league. And I really had a

682
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: good experience in cool Icon you know, chop post backyard.

683
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 1: But I enjoyed it. I had no problems in Cludicon.

684
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: I I loved every every day down there. And what

685
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: was your where were you living there? Uh? Alright, so

686
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: back so probably from my other experiences, I said, get

687
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: me something close to the gym. I want to walk

688
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: to work. I don't be ubering every day and jumping

689
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: in cars. It's warm down there, right, so uh, I said,

690
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: give me something close to the gym that I can

691
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: walk to because you still hear stories about Mexico. You

692
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: don't want to be walking around, you know, even though

693
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: because the lucky the gym was in the city, So

694
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 1: as long as you're in the city, are pretty good,

695
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: you know. And uh, it was actually nice and a

696
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: nice apartment. We're watching the gym. Anytime I wanted, team

697
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 1: office was in the gym the arena, so um, I

698
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: kind of made it user friendly after my Bey route experience.

699
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: Did you So, what are you like as a coach now?

700
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: Like now you're in Mexico, You've had your own team,

701
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: You've been in a couple of different countries, you're a

702
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: little bit more experienced. How how how are you as

703
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: a coach now the second time around in Mexico in

704
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: terms of practice playing, how you develop guys? Um? You

705
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: know what what what? What? What were you like from

706
00:36:54,600 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: that perspective so much? I wouldn't say much more, chill.

707
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: I think that came later. You know. We're still I

708
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: still a few year a few jobs since then. Um,

709
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: still kind of have that serbian coach in me. Or

710
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: I'm intense at times, Um, but I learned better how

711
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: to deal with different players. Uh, some guys you gotta

712
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: you gotta get in their face, right. Other guys you

713
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: probably message him after practice, hey, how you doing right?

714
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: Nothing in front of the group, right. You have to

715
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 1: kind of how to talk to different players and that

716
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: that's something I learned since my first stint down there.

717
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: Another thing is the organization factor, because, um, once you

718
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: get out of camp, there's not a lot of practice

719
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: time in that league. It's four games a week, so

720
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: it's it's two back to backs a week. So if

721
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: you do the math, there's only one practice day because

722
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: others are travel days and there's a rest day on Sunday.

723
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: So really Monday was like your practice day. So whatever

724
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: you didn't get to in camp, it's being hard to

725
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: work in. So I was really more organized in camp. Um,

726
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: I was fortunate I had signed. Uh. I got in

727
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: touch with Uzzo played in the league. He's still playing

728
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: now kind of coaching and playing, you know he's but

729
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: back then he was he had not played a couple

730
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: of years. He had a condition with the with his shoulder,

731
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: a nerve thing. So I've got fortunate he was. He

732
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,359
Speaker 1: was like, I'm looking to play. I don't care where

733
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: it is. Let's let's let's get let's get it going,

734
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: so i'd have xmba point guard with me. It really

735
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 1: helped me keep practices organized, you know, keep the group

736
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: because you can't really rely too much on assistance when

737
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: you go overseas. I don't know my experience. You want

738
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: to lean on guys, but at the same time, you

739
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: gotta get the job done. And if I can have

740
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: an ex player, I'm sorry, a player who played in

741
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: the league. Uh. He was kind of like my de

742
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: facto assistant in a lot of ways, and that helped

743
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: me stay organized. We get in and we get out.

744
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: Can't be in the gym all day because it's too

745
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: hot down there, seriously. So um, that was really what

746
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: I really improved. More organized, more focused on how you

747
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: want to play and what game situations you're gonna do

748
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: in practice. You can't just be everything was good on

749
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 1: a on a practice or uh right up right practice plan.

750
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: It's like, what is gonna what are we gonna use

751
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: in games in this league with these reps, with this schedule, right,

752
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: And that's kind of why I fought it was better.

753
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: So how did that team do great? We were kind

754
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: of a middle budget team that played better than a

755
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: lot of high budget teams down there just because. Um.

756
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: For example, one of my guys said, I've never played

757
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: one of my players, Bruce Massey. He's playing in Europe,

758
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: but he played in the D League as well, point guard.

759
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: He said afterwards, I've never played on a team that

760
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 1: that played downhill like that. Like at home. He felt

761
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: we were literally running downhill either half, didn't matter what

762
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: side we're going, he said, we just felt like we're

763
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 1: going downhill on guys. So they really embraced that kind

764
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: of d U NBA style of play that I had learned,

765
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: you know, in the D League. UM. I had a

766
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: couple other good guys. Du Von Maxwell, he just he

767
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: played at Hampton just like a two way swing man.

768
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: He's playing in you up now, just really great. I

769
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: had a great group that embraced That's why really learned

770
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: is you need a group that embraces that buys in

771
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: whatever level you're at. You need that buy in. And

772
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: I had that there and I saw how it worked.

773
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 1: So we basically made the playoffs, lost in the the semifinals

774
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: to the eventual champion. UM let a couple of games go.

775
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: You know, you know when you lose, but you know

776
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: you kind of gave away. It doesn't feel good at

777
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, like, yeah, we let it,

778
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: we let a couple go, we can we can get

779
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 1: better at that. Yeah, to completely understand, So that that's

780
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: the Summer League. So that obviously took you out of

781
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: NBA Summer League. What was the next fall? Yeah? Did

782
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: uh well, actually no, so that league unfortunately, that league

783
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: is fun actually because it ends. Even if you go

784
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: to the finals, you probably can't get to NBA Summer League.

785
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: But I was still going because we lost uh late June,

786
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 1: so I was at summarily that year too. You know,

787
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: I coached some camps. I coached that worldwide camp that

788
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: was popular every year back and UM for overseas guys.

789
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: So UM. After that, obviously that's a leade that doesn't

790
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: start till the next spring, so you're basically around that fall.

791
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: I didn't really like any of the options I had.

792
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything that really fit me overseas. UM.

793
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 1: I kind of made a considered effort to focus on

794
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: on on China, like I really wanted to get to

795
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: China and coach and the c b A. You know,

796
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: I heard some good things. Obviously have high level imports

797
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: and even it didn't happen right away. I got there

798
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: the next year and uh that was like a real

799
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 1: real big step for me as far as the coach,

800
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: just getting to coach and wait wait wait year is

801
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: this You got to China? Now this is twenty this

802
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: is so we're going now into uh May. I got

803
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: an offer to coach in uh in China in the

804
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: cb A, We're in China. So the team was ching

805
00:41:55,120 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 1: Dao Um on the coast, nice city. Uh. Long story,

806
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: Shirt wasn't able to get there just for paperwork reasons whatever.

807
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: This is basically, we're hired a coach for the off

808
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: season to help us prepare for the for the next

809
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: season and then kind of we'll talk basically, right, I mean,

810
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: you get a year contract. But I could get the

811
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: vibe that like we want to want you to work

812
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 1: with us in the summer and and and and I

813
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: think the focus is more defensive system. Um. But for

814
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: paperwork reasons other things, I wasn't able to get there.

815
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: But I still help them, Like I were doing zoom

816
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: calls and all that, you know, trying to be giving

817
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: them practice plans and I was telling their coaches how

818
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 1: to do stuff. Um. And then when the fall came

819
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: out and offer from another team in China in t

820
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: Engine and that's the one where I took it. And

821
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: I traveled, uh so to get to to Engine. How

822
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 1: do you fly there Hong Kong, l A to Hong Kong,

823
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 1: I mean, said you go. So it was l A

824
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: to Hong Kong two and that's where you gotta do

825
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: that visa stuff because that's in Macau, so you gotta

826
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: stop in Hong ko Long. Had a team official there

827
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: with me. Spent about three or four days there. I

828
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: thought we were on vacation. I'm like, are we gonna

829
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: get to work? Like we're literally just hanging out in

830
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: Hong Kong and then Macau for a week. But you

831
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: know there's a coach. You gotta wait. I think that

832
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,919
Speaker 1: guy want to do is shopping. You know, I don't

833
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: want to invest with this timeline, but he said, you're

834
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: a good coach. Already spoke to the management. They're fine

835
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: with us here. I go, all right, we'll just hang

836
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: out here wait for my visa to get done. And

837
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: eventually got to tangm which is by Beijing. Pay me

838
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: the picture of what that's like A Tangent, Yeah, a

839
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: little more hard nosed town. We didn't play in the city.

840
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: We kind of played in the burbs. If I compare

841
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: it if you're a San Diego guy, like we're playing

842
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: in Miramar, you know, kind of you know, and staying

843
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: out there too. So we played it. We played our

844
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: home gym was at university out there, good court, but

845
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: you know, university, So we weren't in the city too

846
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 1: much where I could enjoy where usually foreigners are. You know,

847
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: when in China, there's always this foreign clicks in the

848
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: city where you can go somewhere and literally you feel

849
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: like you're in Europe or something. Um that we didn't

850
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: have that. It was just we're at the at the apartment,

851
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 1: you have food served for you and your grinding all day.

852
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 1: So cold, more of a grind, but good because that's

853
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: what I wanted. I wanted, you know. We had two imports,

854
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: three imports actually on the roster, two or x NBA

855
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: guys and one was a top level center from Europe.

856
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: So so who are your imports? Uh? Jason Randall played

857
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 1: at Stanford sum He had just that China stift for

858
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: him was right between NBA jobs, so he was at

859
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: that time and NBA players to playing in the league. Um,

860
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: Julian Wright had just signed, even he was a little

861
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: bit older. He never played for US because that same

862
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: season COVID hit, so we had to end early. But um,

863
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: he was also the next NBA guy who kind of

864
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: pick his brain stuff he had seen in the league.

865
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: Talk me through how the COVID thing took place in

866
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: China a little crazy. So we're on the road trip

867
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: and you heard you heard rumors about it, but you

868
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: don't pay too much mind. I have no experience in

869
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 1: that tiny years this, so this is uh, let's go

870
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: to January. So now we're yeah, later in that season.

871
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: So January, I'm sorry, I'm sorry January. So I messed

872
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: up early. Yeah, twenty nineteen when I went to Yeah,

873
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: uh so January and we're on a road trip and

874
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, so we gotta win. We go

875
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: out the night that night and we're kind of celebrate

876
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: because it wasn't a great team. So we went you know,

877
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: we kind of had a good time, and especially I

878
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 1: guess a good team on the road, and uh, we

879
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: get to the airport the next morning and all the

880
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: players have masks on and US foreigners don't. No one

881
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: told us anything. We're just like whatever, dude, right, and

882
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: we look at the airport it was got a mask on.

883
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: We're like something we should know about. It goes, yeah,

884
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: you probably should wear one. I don't get too alarmed,

885
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: but yeah, this virus is spreading. I know what, Like

886
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: thanks for letting us no ed of tile because obviously

887
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't been there right a couple of months that

888
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: there has been cases of it. So um, it was

889
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: very unique because I was just when the holiday started,

890
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: the Chinese New Year, so the whole league was taking

891
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: a week off except us. Our management decided, you're gonna

892
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 1: get a couple of days off, take the weekend off,

893
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: but we're gonna go back to practice on Monday, like

894
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: we're not very good and you don't deserve it, and

895
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: that's fine, you know, I came there to work. Unfortunately,

896
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: that weekend it's kind of long because the whole time

897
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: you're getting reports of this COVID thing and hearing about

898
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: other teams imports either leaving or they're already gone on vacation.

899
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: So we as a group basically two or three imports

900
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: and are me and another Spanish coach with the strength coach.

901
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: So five Americans foreigners just called it. We're just sitting

902
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 1: there like, okay, what do we do because they're telling us,

903
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 1: you guys all live in the same apartment. Are not

904
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: the players but me and the in the Spanish strength coach, Yes,

905
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: but not the players. That made it also difficult because

906
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: they're a different part of town. We're just messaging with them. Uh,

907
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: long story short, they're also leaving, you know, They're like,

908
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fly myself out, like I'm not gonna leave

909
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,240
Speaker 1: anything to chance, right, and uh so now everyone's leaving,

910
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 1: our imports are leaving, and we're kind of messaging the

911
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: team what do we do? What's going on? They don't

912
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: reply for more than a day, like literally texting like

913
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: the GM no reply, and uh that was a little

914
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: crazy because you just want information. Just tell me, Hey,

915
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: tell me the chill and I'll chilling. But like, if

916
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: you're telling me the league's basically the league stoled for

917
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 1: three weeks, then now they're not gonna play for three weeks,

918
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: all the foreigners leaving, but we practice on Monday, like

919
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: and this is going on so a long story show.

920
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: We end up flying ourselves out just to be safe.

921
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: And it was the craziest day, Doug, because I woke

922
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: up from my flight at early so and I'm alarms.

923
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 1: At six am, I get woken up by text from home.

924
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: It was five forty five am my time, and my

925
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 1: friends like, dude, Kobe's dead. Like so I'm already not

926
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: not to make this about me, but like you know,

927
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: you kind of already going through some stuff in your head.

928
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: And then that was the day that that Kobe had

929
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: passed away, and just like what's going on? Like you're

930
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: hearing stuff about this deadly virus and I'm just like

931
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: surreal time to be even like packing and moving and

932
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: trying to flee a country for something that you don't

933
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: know about basically, right, And but a long as I'm

934
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: sure I got home, you know, how do I know

935
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: that it was gonna be a global thing? You know,

936
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 1: you think you're putting it in your review, right, I

937
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: don't know it was a global thing, probably with a state,

938
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: because what's the point of it's gonna be everywhere? Right,

939
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: But at the time, you know, you thought it was

940
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: a virus in this country, right in China. And I'm

941
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: gonna leave China, right, so you leave, you come back

942
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: to see Diego did you get all your money to

943
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 1: have to have the money thing I did not. Well,

944
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: I got with it. I got what I was owed

945
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: to the time I left UM, I was told by

946
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: my agents, I want to have a good relationship, you know,

947
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: relationship for everything. I was told just let it go.

948
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 1: You know, do you want to chase that ten k

949
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: for the rest of your contract for the rest of

950
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: that season, when really all I really cared about was

951
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,839
Speaker 1: the flight. I would like them to reimburse the flight

952
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: because that's in your contract, like you know, you will

953
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,280
Speaker 1: fly you home. But technically, because I left my own accord,

954
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: say you can go to FIBA. I got the impression

955
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: if he was not gonna do much for you anyways either,

956
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: so what I'm just gonna just off the team. Yeah,

957
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: the league Now for me, it wasn't I think more

958
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: about the career. So so I have a good relationship

959
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: in China, We're like to keep that door open one day.

960
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: You know, what did you do during when COVID So

961
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 1: you get back here and things aren't yet shut down, right,

962
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: So you had a couple of you had probably a

963
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 1: month for everything. Yeah, in true Martin fashion, like I

964
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: did with Beirut, I went right to Mexico to coach

965
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: that league was starting up, and uh, I took a

966
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: job in that same league. You know, comfortable, you know

967
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: the people, you know the league. Unfortunately, they shout it

968
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,479
Speaker 1: down about a month in so now we're about March,

969
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,799
Speaker 1: and uh at that point it was like everyone else

970
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: come home and just pandemic goes down. No basketball, no nothing.

971
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: Uh think any new hobbies more reading. I never was

972
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 1: a big reader, but I definitely picked up reading. And

973
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: it's just not like a big deal, but like I

974
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: really was never in my life. I just couldn't. I

975
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 1: can't sit down for long enough to read, like I

976
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: finished a book all But I really got into just

977
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: just reading some of our self help stuff. You know.

978
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: I just got to focus on the mental side of

979
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, if I can go back and study something

980
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: would be like sports psychology, because I've seen firsthand how

981
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: big that is with the team individuals but also with

982
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: a group. And like we're talking about practice plans, everything,

983
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,959
Speaker 1: there's a mental component to that. You can't just drill

984
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: home stuff and think you did a good job as

985
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,399
Speaker 1: a coach. You've got to kind of play that. Uh

986
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: that I would have that awareness of where you guys

987
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: are at mentally and how to keep things fresh and um,

988
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: and I kind of read some stuff on that. I

989
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: studied that to some seminars, it's like calling you a

990
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: little stuff on zoom. So that stuff was helpful for

991
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 1: me as a coach. COVID starts to kind of things

992
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: that that that spring, that summer as a wash. Right, yeah,

993
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: fall of last this is last fall. What you give yes,

994
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: last fall? Uh, start seeing all the great options out there,

995
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 1: Like this country's got crazy rules. They're bringing four just's

996
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: not a not a lot of jobs out there. And

997
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: you know Julie was going to the bubble. They weren't

998
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: exactly looking for there, just bringing back their former coaches, right.

999
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: They're not looking to I don't think a lot of

1000
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: guys to jey jobs right on that time. You know,

1001
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: they're just trying to get through a season for business

1002
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: purposes and also basketball. Um, my friend was coaching in Vietnam.

1003
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: He says, we're starting, you know, we're gonna start next

1004
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: next year. But you can start the process now. There's

1005
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: no COVID here. The country is like super strict as

1006
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: far as you come in your quarantine and then there's

1007
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: no COVID, like there's zero cases. So I go there

1008
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: the next spring and while we're in quarantine, COVID starts

1009
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: and it's just like come on, So three weeks in

1010
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: the hotel room because they extended the quarantine. I can't

1011
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: leave the room. Three weeks in their room. So food, Oh,

1012
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: they're bringing this food not the greatest We have. Eventually

1013
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: started ordering out because the hotel food was a very

1014
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,879
Speaker 1: greasy you know, it's just it's not exactly healthy. So

1015
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: that brought us food, but just you know, you can't

1016
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: leave the room, not even to stretch, no exercise, strict

1017
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: groom quarantine. And then eventually got out. Uh, COVID's now

1018
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,879
Speaker 1: picking up over there, so that country doesn't play with COVID. There,

1019
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: everything shut down. We were kind of semi lockdown at

1020
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: another hotel as a team, basically just in the gym

1021
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: every day. I mean a real gym, not basketb basketball gym,

1022
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,760
Speaker 1: like just training, physical strength stuff, trying to keep active.

1023
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 1: Um and eventually change cities to to to start the

1024
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: league in the bubble, you know, basically they're just running

1025
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: from COVID at that point, you know. Um So eventually

1026
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: played a season in the bubble in Vietnam was that

1027
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: like tough, probably my toughest experience even in life, Like

1028
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: just just being stuck in a in a in a

1029
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: hotel for three months and with the pressure of winning.

1030
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, yeah, you just hanging out like we

1031
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: had to win. And at the same time, you don't

1032
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: have any fresh air, like you you're basically busting the practice.

1033
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: And even when you bust, they want you to close

1034
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 1: the windows, the drapes because they don't want the local

1035
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: government doesn't want people seeing like activity. You know, then

1036
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: people are gonna be like, hey, wait a minute, we're

1037
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: sitting here locked down. What are these people doing in busses? Right?

1038
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: So um, but it made me stronger as a coach,

1039
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: Like there's no job now that I would take that

1040
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: I would look at like, oh, this is so hard,

1041
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: Like that was to me so difficult personally and professionally,

1042
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: but now I'm just the battle scars are there, Like

1043
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: as a coach, I can handle any situation. There's nothing

1044
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: unless you're shooting at me in the game. I can

1045
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: handle pretty much everything else. Right, what's the basketball I

1046
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: can Vietnam? Uh, getting better? I wouldn't say it's great um. Fortunately,

1047
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: because of the timing, we got a lot, a lot

1048
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: of bang for your buck. As far as imports. You

1049
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: know the budget, there's a set budget for that league

1050
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 1: that isn't very high. But you've got guys who been

1051
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,959
Speaker 1: sitting home, right, Guys who played in the two league,

1052
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: Guys who played in the first division in Europe. So

1053
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: they took the job. And it was actually a really

1054
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: good season. Like if you watch it now, like this

1055
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: season is I don't think like our season looked way

1056
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 1: different than the one I watched on tape. Like my

1057
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 1: practice has changed very quickly because I realized, Um, I

1058
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: gotta to put some different stuff in offensively. Our coverage

1059
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: us to be different because these imports are way different

1060
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: than the previous years. Uh. And you get two per team,

1061
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: which usually it's one. That season was two, so you

1062
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: can really go too man game and get a lot

1063
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: done for stretches. How do you do? Terrible? Got some

1064
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: bad luck. I could have been better, to be fair,

1065
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: we lost one import in the bubble too. Uh. Slippery

1066
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: floor which was kind of an ongoing problem. We stopped

1067
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: the league twice because of the slippery floor. It was

1068
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: just so humid. It was constantly wet like slippery court.

1069
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 1: So was this during the rainy season or or now

1070
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 1: to call it a season is tough. It's it was

1071
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,399
Speaker 1: basically a long tournament. It was by that point it

1072
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 1: had been shortened to like an eight game eight game

1073
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,080
Speaker 1: bubble with a couple of preseason games that also kind

1074
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 1: of factored into standing somehow else. So let's call it

1075
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: ten games and then playoffs. So about halfway through those games,

1076
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 1: we lost an import. Can't replace him, so that without

1077
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: one import, and at the same time, my other heritage player,

1078
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: who was basically one player who was like foreigner but

1079
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: as vietnamme's heritage. Um, he also went down kind of

1080
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: a knee injury, not ending the season, but definitely couldn't

1081
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: play a couple of games, and we just yeah, I

1082
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: went off the rails real quick. Um. The season was

1083
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: a mess. It was a mess. Okay, So this is yeah,

1084
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: uh what a year ago in the spring that was

1085
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 1: over right. So that's the thing it ended in because

1086
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: he got pushed back so many times with COVID and

1087
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: the court and all this other nonsense. I didn't get

1088
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: home until September. Basically they canceled the season in the playoffs.

1089
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,720
Speaker 1: Didn't even finished. It was just like a fourth season,

1090
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 1: long story short, and eventually pulled the plug because if

1091
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: we keep trying to make this happen, because he kept

1092
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: getting delayed, that imports are gonna be stuck here until

1093
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: because you can't leave the country, it's like lockdown. So

1094
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: they said, let's get you guys out of here. Now

1095
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: wrapped the season, so we have to pay you like

1096
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: for three months just sitting around, right, That's basically their fear.

1097
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: So I came home in September. A lot of other

1098
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: leagues had already started, and it was that time that

1099
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I haven't coached Summer League

1100
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: with an NBA staff. I haven't really been able to

1101
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: pursue it. I said, I'm doing it. I don't care

1102
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: how I'm going to reach out to, you know, teams,

1103
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: and I kind of made that my focus. And also

1104
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: obviously I'm working with players locally. I was doing some

1105
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: scouting for a team in Spain, but on the coaching side,

1106
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: that was my goal, like I get on the Summer

1107
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: league staff and uh be able to work with them

1108
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: in the mini camps and all that. How did you

1109
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: happen to go with Cleveland? I had met Bernie bickerstaff

1110
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: going back a few years, and I messaged him just

1111
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: asking him if j B was gonna look for guest coaches,

1112
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, not anything more intense to say, do you

1113
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: think he's gonna look for guest coaches for some league?

1114
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 1: And he replied to say, hit him up yourself, here's

1115
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: your number. So I said, okay, j B. I'm obviously

1116
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 1: Bernie said some nice things about me, but JB from

1117
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: he replied right away, just the nicest guy. Definitely stay

1118
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: in touch. Yes, we want guys like you on the staff.

1119
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: I don't have the dates yet, but he was all

1120
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: and ever since then I was in March, and ever

1121
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: since then he was following up with me, keeping me

1122
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: in the loop. So really grat vibe from them from

1123
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: the start. Now, did you just go to their camp

1124
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: for the G League or did you go to their

1125
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: pre draft workouts? Like what was your level involvement? Not

1126
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: the pre draft stuff. So that camps starting after that,

1127
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: and we were there about a week in Cleveland and uh,

1128
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: just working with the summer league guys. But from day

1129
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: one we felt like we're on the staff. It was

1130
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: really just a family vibe there. It really people say family,

1131
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: but they really do act like that. It was really refreshing.

1132
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: Um okay, so you know you have all this uh

1133
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: knowledge of coaching overseas and um from a kind of

1134
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 1: wide array of styles, a wide array of countries and

1135
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: every country has a style, and then your own personal

1136
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: kind of evolution. Now you come back to the NBA

1137
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: and grant it's the you know, it's a sudden league,

1138
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: but they're trying to implement some of the things that

1139
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: they do to see how these guys react within it.

1140
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 1: What's the basketball like for you in terms of adjustment

1141
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: and coaching. First of all, they are great because they

1142
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: want all these new ideas. So I came in there thinking, uh,

1143
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 1: don't step on any toes, just blend in because my

1144
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: personality is a little bit more in your out there.

1145
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 1: I'll speak my mind. I decided to coach at thirty five,

1146
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 1: so I'm not a kid. I'm I'm all in this,

1147
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, with ideas and other stuff. So I was

1148
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,360
Speaker 1: refirs to they wanted to hear these different ideas from

1149
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: college coaches, from overseas coaches, from everybody. And if anything,

1150
01:00:13,080 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: they were like, man, when you were speaking up and

1151
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: you weren't jumping onto onto the court to do a

1152
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: drill or maybe I have a different way of doing this.

1153
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: So that was refreshing to not only learn from them,

1154
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: but get validation of your own knowledge, you know, in

1155
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: a sense. And that really that really felt good. What

1156
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 1: were what were the games like Summer League? Yeah, not

1157
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: a lot. Obviously you're getting up and down. Not a

1158
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: lot of continuity. Um, sustaining that ball movement was the

1159
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: biggest thing. Yuh. And also for us, we were trying

1160
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: a new coverage out for the for the Caps, so

1161
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: they wanna see how a certain coverage looks for training

1162
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: camp and they need, like leagues to team do they

1163
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: they're kind of like a guinea pig lack of a

1164
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:04,240
Speaker 1: better turn, They're trying to coverage out. Let's see how

1165
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: it works. Let's have some data. What what coverage? So

1166
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: it's just a pick and roll coverage. Um they trapped?

1167
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: Uh sorry, switch and trap? But how you do that?

1168
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: What works? What? What way to do that best? So

1169
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: it's not telegraphed all the time, and like a lot

1170
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: of teams are doing it, you know, lack of a

1171
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: better Lakers did it? If you know it's whenever Mellow

1172
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: would switch out they trapped, right, like, But it's one

1173
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 1: thing to say it and one thing to actually drill

1174
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 1: it home and have a set rotation where you're I'm

1175
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: we're gonna leave this guy, We're coming out, We're gonna

1176
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna basically induce this pass and not give this pass.

1177
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: And that was kind of a that was we had

1178
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: some rough times and someone just because we're doing something

1179
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,480
Speaker 1: aggressively on the defensive end. So as long as you

1180
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: have that right perspective, it was definitely a success. You know,

1181
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:54,959
Speaker 1: It's fascinating because um uh, like you, I don't think

1182
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: people have the understanding of it's not just the level

1183
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: of intelligence needed to be a bastrob player, but the

1184
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 1: the processing that you have to have. And that's the

1185
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 1: perfect example of it, right, Like, hey, with within within

1186
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: one within a defensive assignment, you can have multiple coverages

1187
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: based upon personnel, and then your rotations can be different

1188
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: based upon personnel. And so the days of like like,

1189
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,160
Speaker 1: I think that's the big thing that so many of

1190
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: these younger players struggle with. We evaluate players at a

1191
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: younger level based upon their ability usually with the basketball,

1192
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: right and yet there are Billy Donovan talks about at

1193
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: the time you don't have the ball in in basketball.

1194
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 1: But it's really like these are things that they literally

1195
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: have no idea about none. So I and I think

1196
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: how quickly they process that by that really determines in

1197
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: many ways their ability to play at that level because

1198
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: every level is the same from this perspective, and I

1199
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: think you can attest this. You get on the court

1200
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: and initially based up on your level to defend right,

1201
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: Like the nothing eliminates a younger player from playing is

1202
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: can't guard anybody. Because the older you are, the more

1203
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,640
Speaker 1: time and experience you have, you're gonna get more opportunities

1204
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 1: to score with the basketball. They'll keep you on the floor.

1205
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: But to get on the floor when you're a freshman

1206
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: high school, freshman, college rookie in the NBA, you've got

1207
01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: to be able to guard somebody. And it's not just

1208
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: the everybody thing's guards, Like can I just stop this guy?

1209
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 1: Like no, can you stop a bigger guy on a

1210
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: switch or a smaller guy in a switch? And then

1211
01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: do you know where you're supposed to be in every

1212
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 1: different rotation or every different ball screen coverage? And I

1213
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: don't think we do a good job want to evaluate

1214
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: and to a articulating that to people to help them

1215
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: understand that's in many ways what determines somebody's early success

1216
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: or failure in the NBA. Yeah, you see every year

1217
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,960
Speaker 1: they're they're guys who because the NBA team and they

1218
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: invested a guy, Oh, your first round pick, and you'll

1219
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 1: see he plays early like they'll you know, whether it's

1220
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: the coach or management as il say get him in

1221
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: the game, like you can play. Uh, he did this

1222
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: in this in college. He was our seventeen pick whatever,

1223
01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 1: and then by like December January, see he's not on

1224
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: the rotation anymore. Yeah, because you know what if you're

1225
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 1: if you have a rotation and you're supposed to be

1226
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: at the elbow and he's down on that middle, that's

1227
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: a big difference on a rotation. You lose games, you

1228
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 1: give it up an eight o run in the second

1229
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: quarter because that rookie did something like that. So you

1230
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: see it a lot. I think, uh where it's not

1231
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 1: so much rookies hit a wall. There was saying oh

1232
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: rookie said a wall. Well, no, you can get on

1233
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: the court because of maybe your name and what the

1234
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: you know, the team invested in you, but you have

1235
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,120
Speaker 1: to win games and when you see it, and I'll

1236
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: play that vet who knows where to be. And there's

1237
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: plenty of vetsor can't guard them like who are original

1238
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: on the ball, but they know where to be all

1239
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: the time, so much part of the game. That's a

1240
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: huge part of huge part of the game. Okay, So

1241
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: what's next for you professionally right now? Um, I have

1242
01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 1: a couple of opportunities in Europe. I've never coached in Europe. Um,

1243
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:05,640
Speaker 1: They've been passed along to me. Uh, pretty good situations,

1244
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: you know. I'm I'm from Serbie. I've never coached in Europe.

1245
01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: Is something I always wanted to do. But at the

1246
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: same time, Uh, my number one choice to me to

1247
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: go get back in the G League and that's kind

1248
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: of was part of my summer League experience is just

1249
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: getting around those guys again, getting familiar with the just

1250
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: coverages to change, you know, it's been a long time

1251
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 1: since the legends, you know, they're doing different stuff now

1252
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: and uh, that's part of my priority right now. I

1253
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: think I can help a Julie team on the staff. Um,

1254
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: but Europe, I don't know something about Europe too. I've

1255
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: never you were just in Israel, and for me, I've

1256
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: never I've never coached there, and I've always wanted to

1257
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 1: coach in that continent. Um, if you had advice to

1258
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: somebody else who's early thirties and they're like, man, this

1259
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: is my passion. I see Martin doing it, I want

1260
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: to do it too, what would you tell him to

1261
01:05:54,520 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 1: do while your pride? Put the pride away. So my

1262
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: first two coaching jobs both I was like, what am

1263
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: I doing here? I'm not making much or anything. Uh,

1264
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 1: this guy who runs the team. Sometimes I'm looking at

1265
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:12,920
Speaker 1: the decision making like what am I doing here? This

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01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: is just smallow your pride. You're investing in yourself. So

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01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people think like when you smallow your pride,

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01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 1: you do it for the other person or the other

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01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: person on the other side of that that you're kind

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01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 1: of maybe you know, you do it for yourself because

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01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: you don't need people saying stuff like it's hard to

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01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: work with or he's got a bad attitude, no good attitude.

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01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:36,479
Speaker 1: Positive and just take the positives from every situation because

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01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some some tough times. You know, it's

1275
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: not a easy business to break in in that sense

1276
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: of just like, um, there's gonna be speed bumps, hurdles.

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01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,440
Speaker 1: You know, you just gotta stay positive. Is there a

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01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: coach that you watch that you say, if if I

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01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: ever can get to the NBA with the highest level,

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01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: this is who I want to coach. Like, uh, there

1281
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: was a Doc Rivers on my list for a long time,

1282
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: and I was around those Clipper teams, be kind of

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01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: around the time where I was counting, So I was

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01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 1: going to a lot of Clipper games. Um the way

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01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: he you see when he takes a job, you see,

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01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: there's always like an infusion of life and good vibe

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01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: with his groups. Where he never takes a job and

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01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: it's like a first year is rough, it's always like boom,

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01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,919
Speaker 1: Like Docs. He like there's something about that the way

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01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: he I think is not only work strategy in but

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01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: there's something there must be something there about his practices

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01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 1: that has a good vibe, you know. Uh. So he's

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01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 1: one of those guys, UM, one guy overseas that I

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01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: love how he teaches the game that I would love

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01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,040
Speaker 1: to be like his At tore Messina who's the Spurs

1296
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 1: for a long time. I love how he teaches the game.

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01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 1: Something maybe just the accent I don't know. I'm trying

1298
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 1: not to get caught up too much. But he teaches

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01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: it so well, and that's such a big part of

1300
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: the game is teaching it without getting that voice to

1301
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: be annoying at some point, right players, you know, it's interesting.

1302
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: It's it's very much like when you're on TV or

1303
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: radio or doing a pod where you want to teach people.

1304
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: You don't want to lecture them. Nobody wants to be

1305
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: lectured like I like learning things. I just want to

1306
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: be lectured about, you know, don't don't talk down to me.

1307
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,520
Speaker 1: There's a there's an absolute gift to that level of communication,

1308
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 1: that style of communication because because players want to know

1309
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:26,400
Speaker 1: why maybe more than what, like why are we doing this? Right?

1310
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:27,960
Speaker 1: But you got and you but you gotta do it

1311
01:08:28,040 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: where you don't say this is why we're doing it stupid,

1312
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: this is why we're doing it, and it's you know,

1313
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 1: and make you make them think it's an investment in

1314
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: Now I've tried this trick of I'm always working on

1315
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,599
Speaker 1: that too. Is uh well, Number one, you can always

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01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 1: say less my things. You could always say less. There's

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01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: never a time, really I should have said more. It's

1318
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: always you're coaching, you can always say a little less.

1319
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:54,160
Speaker 1: And also I always kind of assume I'll just throw

1320
01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: it in there that the guy has already done it before.

1321
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 1: Let's say we're going over defensive coverage. I'll throw something

1322
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: out that. But like, you've probably done this before. Even

1323
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,120
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong, people like hearing that I have done this,

1324
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: even though or you say, even to a guy who's

1325
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,640
Speaker 1: not particularly bright, listen, you're a smart guy. You know this,

1326
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:11,839
Speaker 1: Like you're really bright basketball player. You're a very talented

1327
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 1: basketball player, so you I know you can do this

1328
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:15,880
Speaker 1: on me. I gotta do a better job of explain this.

1329
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,719
Speaker 1: You know, you take it on yourself in a self

1330
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: depricating sort of way. Yeah, and that's actually one of

1331
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,559
Speaker 1: my jobs. I think it was a lepan on one

1332
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: I had to try. I had to drill these guys.

1333
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: For some reason, they're just a little more stuppord. Maybe

1334
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,639
Speaker 1: it's a culture thing, but everyone was barking each other

1335
01:09:31,640 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 1: in practice. I go, let me teach your phrase guys,

1336
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: my bad. This is gonna help them. You taught them

1337
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: my bad. I taught they were like like a lot

1338
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,240
Speaker 1: of times I want to get away from the bads,

1339
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: Like I don't need to my bads get back on defense, right,

1340
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: But that's interesting. I was teaching it, and actually I've

1341
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: talked to people that like, I hate my bad. I go.

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01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 1: It depends on the context because if you have a

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01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: group that's just always blaming the other person, that's exhausting.

1344
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 1: And that's so as a coach, I always out throwing

1345
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:59,360
Speaker 1: like my bad, my bad. Oh, it's coaches bad. So

1346
01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 1: it's okay. Even if it's not. It doesn't matter when

1347
01:10:05,040 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: you have to make the decision on Europe. Um, I've

1348
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: already kind of made the decision to to pass on

1349
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: a couple of things because because the GI League timeline

1350
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 1: is different. So that's in September, and I've kind of

1351
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: already made that decision. Probably unless something spectacular comes around,

1352
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: I probably uh wait on on that for another month here,

1353
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,719
Speaker 1: and I think I can always circle back to something,

1354
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,960
Speaker 1: even if it's a uh maybe not a head coach position.

1355
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 1: I think there'll be opportunities um as we go in

1356
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 1: the season. That's the one thing about coaching. I never

1357
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: feel bad. We're hired to get replaced, so I never

1358
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: feel bad when I leave at a job. That's just

1359
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 1: the nature of the business. I never I'm never poaching

1360
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 1: another person's job either, but I know there's gonna be

1361
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:51,759
Speaker 1: opportunities because that's just the nature of of the business.

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01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: So I never really think too much. Yeah, you want

1363
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: to have a team from the starting training camp and

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Speaker 1: all that, But for right now, I think I don't

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01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: think Europe's going anywhere. I push you after Summer League.

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01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:04,000
Speaker 1: That experience was really good for me. So I need

1367
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: to see how the Gelie get a little bit. Okay,

1368
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: you haven't as you can test overseas. You can always

1369
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: do player development like you want, and J League is

1370
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 1: all player development like that is it's a video, it's

1371
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: on the work, it's skilled development, and then there's more

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01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 1: video like it's that's so and that's coming. I've missed

1373
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 1: the last few years overseas is it's all about winning games?

1374
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: But did I make anyone? How much? Do I make

1375
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: this guy better? Like I like? I like to try

1376
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 1: and do both, But I do understand it's really it's hard.

1377
01:11:36,760 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: You know, Um, it's hard because you want you gotta

1378
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: get better as a team, and sometimes the individual takes

1379
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: a sidestep to that and and also depends on the

1380
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:48,599
Speaker 1: age of the player. Right, you get guys at thirty

1381
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: two years old. You just can't. They just can't work

1382
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: them the same. And they're also kind of who they are.

1383
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 1: You're not gonna involve them that much, you know. And

1384
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 1: if you want to get a year old player, that's

1385
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: pretty but as a foreigner, you're not gonna win with that.

1386
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: That's just really hard to win it. As a coach,

1387
01:12:04,439 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: you're getting get into the motive. So now instead of

1388
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:10,560
Speaker 1: like making guys better, now I'm just basically trying to

1389
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: get the most out of certain guys. Or this guy

1390
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 1: does this really well. So now I'm basically just like

1391
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: managing guys. I'm not making it, but I want to

1392
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,679
Speaker 1: make guys better. Yeah, at the same time, I understand

1393
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: and appreciate it. Hey man, you've been great with your time.

1394
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: It's an interesting path, right, appreciate to go from what

1395
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: you've done the stockbroking, being a stockbroker to an unpaid

1396
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 1: coach than traveling around the world. And it was a

1397
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: lot more broke than stock. There was a lot more

1398
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 1: broke than stock. Was there a stock that hit? Was

1399
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: there one? They're like, I'm not to try on this one. No, Actually,

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01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:42,600
Speaker 1: we did more bonds, We did more bonds, So I

1401
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: had the retired investor who was really just looking for

1402
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: that highest bang for the buck. As far as like bonds,

1403
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 1: it was a more a bond house, but definitely some

1404
01:12:51,200 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: some interesting money management stuff we did. It was literesting.

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01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure that's another pod front of their time. Mark.

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01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining, dude. I really appreciate don I appreciate it.

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01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: Really interesting stuff, right. I mean, there's a guy who's

1408
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: literally a self made coach, decided this is what he

1409
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 1: wanted to do for a profession, decided he loved hoop,

1410
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: and he's he's he's throwing himself all in on it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm I hope you enjoyed it. By the way, The

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb. This is all ball