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Speaker 3: This is fascinating stuff, you guys. The idea of a

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Speaker 1: Brendan from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History

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Speaker 1: is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super

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Speaker 1: regardless of where or when you are tuning in. Oh boy,

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Speaker 3: It's a conceptual topic. It's one of those that we

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Speaker 1: that's a downer, but never fear. Today's episode proposes an alternative,

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Speaker 2: If you want a simulation of what match just described,

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Speaker 2: there's a pretty amazing game called Everything. Yes. If you

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Speaker 1: And who knows. As we'll see in this argument, it

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Speaker 2: this is the fringe stuff, right right, So what would

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Speaker 2: this look like? Well, in the fifth dimension, we'd see

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Speaker 2: a world only slightly different from our own. That would

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Speaker 2: give us kind of a way of measuring the similarity

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Speaker 2: and differences subjectively, because they'd be.

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Speaker 1: Subtle, right okay, yeah, yeah, we have sort of a

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Speaker 1: yard stick by which to compare other things.

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Speaker 2: And it probably wouldn't immediately break your brain too, right.

446
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we wouldn't immediately have your hair go gray and

447
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Speaker 1: one of your eyes explode.

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Speaker 2: It'd be kind of a Marty McFly, you know, situation

449
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Speaker 2: rather than yes, like a dude at the end of

450
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Speaker 2: pet cemetery situation.

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Speaker 1: Right, I liked that. I find that that's a place

452
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Speaker 1: that I would want to visit, provided that it was

453
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Speaker 1: still similar enough for us to live.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in terms of like breathable air, and you know,

455
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Speaker 2: we all get nourishment from the same basic stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, then you get to the sixth sixth dimension.

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Speaker 2: Is that where it gets crazy?

458
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Speaker 3: I feel like it is. This is where it's almost

459
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Speaker 3: the god perspective where you can see all of the

460
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Speaker 3: possible different planes. I almost laid out in front of

461
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Speaker 3: you of how this earth, this area that we're in,

462
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Speaker 3: where wherever positionally we are in the universe, all of

463
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Speaker 3: the different options after the Big Bang, conceivably.

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Speaker 1: So the same starting point.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you start at the same point. This is where

466
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Speaker 3: you are now, since that starting point in all the

467
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Speaker 3: different iterations, and there are an infinite number of them.

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Speaker 3: So if you imagine looking at your iPhone and being

469
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Speaker 3: able to see them and just scrolling or just scrolling

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Speaker 3: forever basically at all the different things possibilities.

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Speaker 1: And what's fascinating about that is if that is somehow true,

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Speaker 1: then this means it would theoretically be possible to travel

473
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Speaker 1: back in time or go to different futures, right, go

474
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Speaker 1: to more than one future possibility, and then in the

475
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Speaker 1: seventh dimension you have access to the possible worlds that

476
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Speaker 1: start with different initial conditions. So a universe that doesn't

477
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Speaker 1: start with something exactly like the Big Bang, right, which

478
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Speaker 1: is mind boggling. What would that be like the in

479
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Speaker 1: the fifth and sixth dimensions. Again, as as Nolan Matt

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Speaker 1: pointed out, the starting point was the same, and later

481
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Speaker 1: down the line down the dimension of time, things occurred

482
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Speaker 1: in different sequences. But here everything since the very very

483
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Speaker 1: very very very beginning has been different and just probably

484
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Speaker 1: gets probably continues to become more different.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to imagine it again. If I'm looking at

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Speaker 3: my iPhone, So if we're in the sixth dimension and

487
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Speaker 3: we're just scrolling through everything that maybe is in this

488
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Speaker 3: folder or something, I feel like the seventh dimension is

489
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Speaker 3: pulling out a folder or to see the next subroute folders,

490
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Speaker 3: where each one of those you could look into and

491
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Speaker 3: see the sixth dimension. Does that make sense?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not bad. That's not a bad comparison. So

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Speaker 1: what happens in the eighth dimension if you'll notice, if

494
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Speaker 1: you'll notice, listeners, the ante keeps upping with each new dimension.

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Speaker 2: On the eighth dimension, we again get that god mode

496
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Speaker 2: view of possible universe histories, each of which begins with

497
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Speaker 2: different initial conditions and branches out into infinity. Yeah, so

498
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Speaker 2: we're our minds are shattered at this point. They're floating

499
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Speaker 2: around then in the ether.

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Speaker 1: So these are increasing, The possibilities are increasing by an

501
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Speaker 1: enormous step with each movement up or down the dimensional plane. Yep,

502
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Speaker 1: I mean that's enough for me, But here's dimension number

503
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Speaker 1: nine for everyone who just wants to keep going in

504
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Speaker 1: the ninth dimension. Again, If this was true, we could

505
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Speaker 1: theoretically compare all possible universe histories starting with all the

506
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Speaker 1: different possible laws of physics. So a reality that just

507
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Speaker 1: does not work like ours, which is a real tall order,

508
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Speaker 1: especially when we consider that we don't fully understand the

509
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Speaker 1: physics of our own universe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, not to get into our meat

511
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Speaker 3: bodies observing this somehow, Oku're.

512
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Speaker 1: Right, that's gonna be one heck of an iPhone.

513
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

514
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you probably have to get it on iPad at

515
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Speaker 2: the very least.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or the I think, which was long time listeners

517
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Speaker 1: will recognize an illumination global unlimited product.

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Speaker 3: What ever happened to them, They're still around, machinations, don't

519
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: worry about it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't heard the last of them. That's all

521
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Speaker 1: we can say. In the tenth and final dimension, now

522
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Speaker 1: we're at the point where everything that is possible, everything

523
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Speaker 1: is imaginable, is we've taken care of it's covered. And now,

524
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Speaker 1: according to physicists, beyond that point, or according to physicists

525
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Speaker 1: who ascribe to this number of dimensions, beyond that point,

526
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Speaker 1: nothing can really be imagined by us, and it becomes

527
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Speaker 1: a natural limitation to our ability to imagine things. But

528
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Speaker 1: as we established earlier, some models of this sort of

529
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Speaker 1: theory argue that even more dimensions exist. So if that

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Speaker 1: is true, if we are only conceiving or perceiving four

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Speaker 1: of twenty six dimensions, why can't we see the other

532
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Speaker 1: twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Well. One theoretical explanation is called compactification. It's the idea

534
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Speaker 3: that the other dimensions are in some way folded down

535
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Speaker 3: into this complex structure that somehow prevents us from seeing them,

536
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Speaker 3: like looking at a piece of paper directly from the side.

537
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Speaker 3: If this makes sense, it's so thin It is very

538
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Speaker 3: difficult to discern a piece of paper directly from the side.

539
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Speaker 3: You would see that thin line, even though the paper

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Speaker 3: has all kinds of unperceived surface area that you just

541
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Speaker 3: can't make out because of your position in space time.

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Speaker 1: In that case, it makes it sound almost like an

543
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Speaker 1: optical illusion.

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Speaker 3: Oh in some ways, or in maybe just an inability

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Speaker 3: to observe.

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Speaker 2: We just lacked the hardware. I guess, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And then there's the other idea, the brain that we

548
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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, short form membrane. This would be a higher

549
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Speaker 1: order dimensional object that can have any number of dimensions,

550
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Speaker 1: take your pick. This in string theory is considered a

551
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Speaker 1: fundamental object, the same way that a lepton would be

552
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Speaker 1: considered a fundamental object in particle physics. And some physicists

553
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Speaker 1: explain our inability to perceive these dimensions by saying that

554
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Speaker 1: maybe the problem isn't just us. Maybe what's happened is

555
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Speaker 1: that our universe is itself a three dimensional brain, and

556
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Speaker 1: we are stuck within a larger dimensional space. And this

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Speaker 1: is an idea you had brought up before, Matt, the

558
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Speaker 1: I guess simulation, hologrammatic universe.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that the pro if this was some sort of simulation.

560
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Speaker 3: Everything that we perceive, everything that we've ever touched or observed,

561
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Speaker 3: is actually just a computer of some sort working in

562
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Speaker 3: whatever this If it is strings, even these strings are

563
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: just the bit or the particles or the pixels. Maybe

564
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Speaker 3: that would make a lot of sense if that were true.

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Speaker 1: Maybe at this point there's no solid proof of this theory.

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Speaker 1: The debate rages on. But here's the thing. A lot

567
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Speaker 1: of the math actually works out. By adding these extra

568
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Speaker 1: dimensions to calculations, scientists are able to get closer to functional,

569
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Speaker 1: a functional quantitative understanding or theoretical understanding. Scientists have yet

570
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Speaker 1: to nail down the famous, should i say, fabled unified

571
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Speaker 1: theory of everything.

572
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Speaker 2: Our compatriot Josh Clark from Stuff You Should Know is

573
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Speaker 2: working on a project that has him talking to a

574
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Speaker 2: lot of particle physicists, and his takeaway has largely been

575
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Speaker 2: it's kind of a throw stuff at the wall and

576
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Speaker 2: see what sticks kind of situation, like with economists. Even

577
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Speaker 2: but yet the stakes are so high. It's really interesting.

578
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Speaker 3: Yeah, because at some point it has to become theoretical,

579
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Speaker 3: because biobs anything with whatever waves or lasers, whatever type

580
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 3: of wave we shoot at something to observe it at

581
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 3: that tiny level, we are affecting it because though it's

582
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Speaker 3: being pummeled by a wave, and you're no longer just

583
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Speaker 3: looking at something, you are physically touching it with something.

584
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Speaker 3: And how can you know what's down there if you

585
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: can't make a wave small enough to touch it. So

586
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 3: you have to come up with ideas. You literally are theorizing.

587
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 3: So I mean, you're right, it's throwing stuff against the wall.

588
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Speaker 3: But it's definitely the best minds out there.

589
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Speaker 2: Overt simplification. I guess it just means to Ben's point,

590
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Speaker 2: no one's really figured it out equivocally, and to your point,

591
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Speaker 2: it's doubtful that they ever will. I don't know, what

592
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 2: do you guys think.

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Speaker 3: I don't see how you can figure it out at

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Speaker 3: this point.

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Speaker 1: And it's one of the things that I've heard before

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Speaker 1: I always found interesting was the idea that at a

597
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Speaker 1: certain when you get close enough to the bleeding edge

598
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: of thought on questions like this, it comes very close

599
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Speaker 1: to an article of faith. The smartest people amongst us

600
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Speaker 1: are using all of the knowledge accessible over thousands of

601
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Speaker 1: years of civilization and going, ah, gosh, I don't know, guys,

602
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: maybe this maybe I just like add another dimension. I

603
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Speaker 1: don't know. It's four thirty, it's Friday. I'm not at

604
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Speaker 1: all denigrating the work these people do.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you say, it's theoretical, but it's theoretical based

606
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Speaker 2: on evidence. Yes, you know, it's not just a pure

607
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 2: leap of faith. But it's interesting how you know, we

608
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Speaker 2: see science as the opposite of religion in many senses,

609
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 2: and yet that kind of big thinking does play into

610
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Speaker 2: the stuff that we're talking about. When I say big,

611
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Speaker 2: I just mean God, the universe, you know what it

612
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: all mean kind of stuff. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the idea that there could be something larger that

614
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: we could or smaller or just different that we could

615
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Speaker 1: understand despite our cognitive and physical limitations, dimensional limitations, I

616
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Speaker 1: don't know. Well, here's the point. What if it's true.

617
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Speaker 1: What if there are in fact dimensions of this nature.

618
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Speaker 1: If that is true, fringe researchers argue, then our first

619
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Speaker 1: encounters with non earth bound sentient life may not be

620
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Speaker 1: from beyond the stars, but beyond the dimensions comprising our

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Speaker 1: perception of reality.

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Speaker 3: Who yeah, because imagine if you can observe some of

623
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Speaker 3: those higher level dimensions. Imagine if you can observe them

624
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Speaker 3: and see them through your iPhone or whatever device it is.

625
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Speaker 3: You can see them all and perhaps even be in

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Speaker 3: a different place than where you currently are.

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Speaker 2: I can't. That's like imagining being dead. Yeah, my brain

628
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 2: does not compute that. You know. You ever tried that

629
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Speaker 2: experiment where you're like, what would it be like to

630
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: not exist? You can't do it.

631
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Speaker 3: Well, we found some people who believe they know the

632
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Speaker 3: truth about this, and we're going to discuss them right

633
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Speaker 3: after a quick break.

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy.

635
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Speaker 2: What if instead of looking to outer space for intelligent life,

636
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Speaker 2: we focused on exploring these other dimensions ultraterrestrials instead of extraterrestrials.

637
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Speaker 3: Yeah, say it again, ultra terrestrials.

638
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Speaker 1: Ultra terrestrials. It's true. It's an idea that was proposed

639
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: by a writer named John Keel in the nineteen seventies.

640
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Speaker 1: He's one of the most widely read and influential ufologists

641
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Speaker 1: of his time, and he coined the term ultra terrestrial. Originally,

642
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: he thought that what he saw as evidence of UFOs

643
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Speaker 1: was a symptom of extraterrestrial visitation. Physical aliens are somehow

644
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Speaker 1: traveling to Earth for some reason.

645
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a ship that I'm observing that it has physical,

646
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Speaker 3: three dimensional space.

647
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Speaker 1: And in time he became increasingly distant from that view.

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Speaker 1: He wrote a book called UFOs Operation Trojan Horse in

649
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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy and he pointed out something that is fascinating

650
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Speaker 1: and I would argue true, and he said that these

651
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Speaker 1: descriptions of encounters with what people perceive to be aliens

652
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: or extraterrestrials, they often parallel certain stories or legends in

653
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: folklore or religious encounters for very spiritual beliefs. And that's

654
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 1: that's true. You can see the correlation. You know, stories

655
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Speaker 1: of alien abduction have similarities to old legends of being

656
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Speaker 1: abducted by the fay or you know, fairies or some

657
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: other supernatural creature. But here's where he went with it.

658
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: He went somewhere different. He didn't say, oh, what a

659
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: fascinating folklore parallel. He said, also, this perceived link meant something.

660
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that this link somehow indicated something more than a

661
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 3: mere physical encounter between us humans and whatever these unknown

662
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: entities were. He used this term ultra terrestrials to describe

663
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 3: UFO occupants, the people actually inside the ships or the

664
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 3: ones that were there that we were observing whatever physical

665
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 3: form they took. He believed them to be non human

666
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 3: entities that were capable of taking on whatever shape, whatever form,

667
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: whatever thing that they wanted to become. And it sounds,

668
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say, it sounds pretty dang crazy.

669
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: Have you guys seen Annihilation? Yeah?

670
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,320
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I read the story.

671
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: I think the movie varies pretty wildly from the book,

672
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: but there is a there's a theme in that film.

673
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: For at risk of any spoilers, I think you should

674
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: if you're interested in this stuff, you should watch that movie.

675
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: All right, let's say it. Let's do it right here.

676
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 3: This is a spoiler alert. Skip forward a few minutes.

677
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 3: If you want to not hear about this movie, tell

678
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 3: me about it.

679
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: No, well, just really briefly. I mean, it's about a

680
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 2: consciousness that sort of travels to Earth on a media

681
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 2: and it's like this bacteria kind of thing like we were

682
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 2: talking about earlier, but it creates this zone where DNA

683
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 2: is transmittable like light waves, and if you're in the zone,

684
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: your DNA is affected. You're constantly mutating, and everything is

685
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: mutating because it's like scrambling DNA. It's a little hard

686
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: to explain, but there is. It's basically it wants to

687
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: assimilate us and also kind of become us. And there's

688
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 2: a whole theme where it creates clones of people, but

689
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 2: not only a body snatcher's way, in a very existential

690
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 2: kind of like, I don't know, it's it's it's it's

691
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: a it's a mind fart. All right, Hm, it's I really.

692
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: I think Paul really enjoyed it too, right, Yeah, it's cool.

693
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, now I don't have to see the movie now,

694
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 3: saved me some money, thanks dude.

695
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 2: All right, spoilers complete see the movie. Don't listen to Matt.

696
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: If there were indeed creatures from another dimension, we're getting

697
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: pretty deep with our assumptions here. But if there were

698
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: indeed creatures from some other plane, how would the average

699
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: human being or how would technology perceive these entities? What

700
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: does a creature from the sixth dimension look like to

701
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: those of us stuck in the three to four dimensions

702
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: that were so familiar with This gets into again, I

703
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: think we referenced it earlier, but this gets into Lovecraft

704
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,240
Speaker 1: stuff so quickly it's imperceivable to us. It's that utterly alien.

705
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's fascinating. So the idea is that they didn't.

706
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: They don't come from within our solar system them like Mars.

707
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: They don't come from outside of our Solar system, like

708
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: a different galaxy or just another one in the Milky Way.

709
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 3: They are actually inhabitants, were are in the far future,

710
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 3: inhabitants of Earth somehow.

711
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: So it's like the upside down Stranger Things.

712
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great comparison. It would be an alternate world,

713
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 1: an alternate universe.

714
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, just to throw this in really fast, another fantastic

715
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 3: film that I couldn't remember the name of called Midnight Special,

716
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 3: Thanks Paul, and it's directed by Jeff Nichols. In it,

717
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 3: spoiler Alert deals with this very thing, beings that have

718
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 3: always existed on Earth and still exist on Earth, but

719
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 3: they just exist in a different dimension and it can

720
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 3: only be observed by someone who is from that dimension. Anyway,

721
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 3: watch the movie. Really.

722
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: Let's also not forget about they live, you know, or

723
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 2: when you put on a special glasses, Yeah, you see

724
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: the monsters from the other dimension.

725
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: So I just mentioned that for sure.

726
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

727
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is definitely a thing that people have

728
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: been exploring for a long time. Well after the seventies.

729
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: Well, here's another argument from Keel, As he continues, he

730
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: believes that these creatures are somehow indigenous to Earth or

731
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: have been here for some time, but inhabit a dimension

732
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: beyond time and physical matter, and that by shifting up

733
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: and down through dimensional planes, he says through he ascribes

734
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: it to electromagnetic activity, but in some unexplained way, they

735
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 1: can materialize dematerialize as they please, and he believes that

736
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: they can. They do have some sense of what we

737
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: would understand as morality. They could be good or evil,

738
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 1: but they seem to according to Keel, they seem to

739
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: be really into manipulating and tricking humanity. And he argues

740
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 1: that throughout different cultures and times and history, we've called

741
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: them things like God or demons or spirits, fairies, monsters,

742
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: and encounters with these beings, he says, have spawned entire religions.

743
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: So for completely different reasons or with completely different conclusions.

744
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: He agrees with folklores to see modern stories of UFO

745
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: encounters as the current instance of this long running phenomenon.

746
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: But there's, you know, the huge question, the ten dimensional

747
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: dollar question here is if if this were true, then

748
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: what what what the heck is the motivation? Why would

749
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: these why would these things be here? What would they

750
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: want to do?

751
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like it would take a tremendous amount

752
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 3: of energy and currency. Probably, Well, it just depends, I

753
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 3: guess on how the technology and or maybe maybe it's

754
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 3: not even technology. Maybe it's just some level of consciousness.

755
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 3: You have to then theorize about how they're actually shifting

756
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 3: dimensions right right, Because if it costs a lot of money,

757
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 3: you could you would compare it to like NASA sending

758
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 3: a shuttle up or you know, SpaceX sending a rocket up,

759
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: Like how expensive that is to do something big like that.

760
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: And then if you're going to spend the energy to

761
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 3: shift dimensions for some reason, perhaps it costs that much

762
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 3: money unless it's some kind of innate ability that each

763
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: one of these creatures has.

764
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if it's an innate ability, would be it

765
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: would it be as simple as someone observing in three

766
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: dimensions just moving their hand toward or away from their eyes?

767
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, And if it's that, then the motivation could

768
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 3: just be more like it's something that I wanted to

769
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: do or I thought this would be funny.

770
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: So there's a quote from Keel wherein he describes the

771
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: motivation as part of a subtle cosmological system of control.

772
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: It's been in effect since the dawn of humanity. That's

773
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: a very vague statement as far as motivations go.

774
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: It's also very intriguing.

775
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does kind of make you want to buy

776
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 3: a book. Oh and that's not a burn on John Keel.

777
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: That's probably just good marketing, right.

778
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 1: But it also, you know, you would wonder what again,

779
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't really answer the question of what is the

780
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: end game, especially if this is, as Matt said, an

781
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: expensive and or dangerous endeavor. Keil also believes this theory

782
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: explains why some geographical areas are home to more UFO reports.

783
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: He calls them window areas, and he thinks he says,

784
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: they are probably areas with magnetic anomalies, and that this

785
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: again makes the process of appearing in our space, time plane,

786
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: or level or our brain br any easier for these

787
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:54,720
Speaker 1: entities really fast.

788
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: Before we kind of start wrapping some of this up,

789
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 3: let's just talk about out a gentleman named Charles fort

790
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:09,280
Speaker 3: and Fourtien's so, mister Keel. John Keel was a self

791
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 3: described fourteen He went on Letterman one time. Well, well

792
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: back in the day, and he was described as a

793
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: fourteen when he was introduced. And this is someone who

794
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: follows or believes or it maybe is just a big

795
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: fan of but in some way influenced by Charles hoy Fort,

796
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 3: who was a writer published a bunch of books. He

797
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 3: was a writer from Oh well, gosh. He was born

798
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 3: in eighteen seventy four and he died in nineteen thirty two,

799
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 3: so he existed quite a time ago. But then if

800
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 3: you imagine someone like John Keel who's writing in the

801
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 3: seventies and eighties, in the sixties as well, he's writing

802
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: books about these things that were considered to be or

803
00:47:55,200 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 3: at least called fourteen events, things like frog's spontaneous falling

804
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 3: from the sky all of a sudden, or it's raining red,

805
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: or the rivers are running red for some reason in

806
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: this other country, or even he brings up things about

807
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: that time it rained raw meat in China in the

808
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: nineteenth century that I've never actually heard about. I thought

809
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: maybe you guys had heard about it from ridiculous history.

810
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 2: I think I heard a story on NPR about that

811
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 2: actually a couple of years ago. Oh okay, we should

812
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: totally steal that yeah. I mean there's all kinds of things,

813
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: even things that we use went in Kentucky. That's what

814
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 2: I heard about. The Kentucky Meat Shower, oh, took place

815
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 2: on March third of eighteen seventy six, where it spontaneously

816
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: rained raw meat in the settlement of Rankin in Bath County, Kentucky.

817
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 2: Was not an isolated event. Apparently.

818
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 3: Was there a plausible explanation for that one?

819
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: Well, some of the meat was identified as being lung

820
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: tissue from either a horse or a human baby.

821
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 1: I knew it.

822
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 3: WHOA Okay, well we need to look into that. Ye.

823
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 3: But along with all of these things, he's forty in

824
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 3: the events, they include things such as bigfoot sightings, sure,

825
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 3: and kangaroos that spontaneously appear in Illinois and then are

826
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 3: chased and then can't be found again. Dinosaurs in Italy

827
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 3: that get chased and hunted down by the army but

828
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 3: they don't ever get found. But there were dinosaur footprints,

829
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 3: according to Kiel, And it's just one of those things

830
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 3: where I think we have to imagine all of this

831
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 3: in that world. The concept of ultra terrestrials comes from

832
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: this place where a lot of these forty in events

833
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: are perhaps thought to be completely true.

834
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: Right right, right, right, that's a very important extra dimension

835
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: to add, oh snap to the episode. And it's true

836
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: at this point there is no solid proof that we

837
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: could find of these extra dimensions. A couple folks thought

838
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: they came close experiment settings, and the math that they

839
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: have worked on is compelling with the addition to these things,

840
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: but again, no one's found the famous again fabled unified

841
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: theory of everything. There's also because there's no proof of

842
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: these extra dimensions in this sort of way, there's no

843
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 1: solid proof of any extra dimensional sentient intelligent entity that

844
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: would be able to find us. Of course, were it true,

845
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: then automatically there would be some kind of sentient life

846
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 1: in that in one of those dimensions as because we're

847
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 1: you know, edging toward infinity. But it is completely possible

848
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: that unobservable sentient life could exist emphasis. Unpossible, yeah, right,

849
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 1: because we can't see the entirety of the lytras spectrum,

850
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: nor can we hear the entirety of the sound spectrum.

851
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: So possible, yeah, not plausible, not at all. I mean,

852
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: there's just no reason to there's no compelling reason for

853
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: us to say for sure, do you.

854
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 3: Guys think that there will ever be a real Walter

855
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: Bishop that for some reason unlocks the ability to travel

856
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 3: that sixth, fifth and sixth dimension.

857
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 2: I just think you would immediately like vaporize you either

858
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 2: physically or just you know, like I said at the

859
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 2: top of the show, break your brain, you wouldn't be

860
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 2: able to come back from it. Oh. That was sort

861
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: of part of his character too. He had tweaked him

862
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 2: out a little bit talking about from friends, Right, Walter Bishop,

863
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: you man, good character.

864
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: I really like that actor John Noble.

865
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: He was also, wasn't he in The Lord of the Rings?

866
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 2: He was the worm tome a worm time and I'm

867
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 2: the really horrible king. Yeah, who goes crazy eats the chicken.

868
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: Well it sucks. Hm, those boys get slaughtered.

869
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 3: Is that a spoiler?

870
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: No, it's past the statue.

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Speaker 2: Which past the statue, And speaking.

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Speaker 1: Of time, as we understand it, it feels like it's

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Speaker 1: right about time for us to wrap up the episode today.

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Speaker 1: If you have any compelling proof of extra dimensional entities

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Speaker 1: which would be very very surprising to us and to

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Speaker 1: the world at large, love to see it, hear it,

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Speaker 1: encounter it. We may not be ready to go there

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Speaker 1: with you, but you know, we want to hear what

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Speaker 2: Always did you see Annihilation? What was your read? I

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Speaker 2: would love to discuss that. Oh yeah, think we could

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Speaker 2: do a whole episode there, like a mini Maybe we

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Speaker 2: should like to start doing many episodes, or we like

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Speaker 3: Oh, that wouldn't be a bad idea. It'd be fun,

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