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Speaker 2: Welcome back to our number two of the Drive here
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Speaker 2: it's dude's time for another mock draft.
Speaker 3: They our last one really before we have some free
Speaker 3: agency change. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man, we may not do any mock drafts next week.
Speaker 3: I would say Monday is not even worth it, Yeah,
Speaker 3: because stuff is going to happen. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wednesday will be a flurry too.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Maybe get back at it Friday.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll have plenty of stuff to talk about here.
Speaker 3: We're gonna well, we're gonna do is go back to
Speaker 3: a pro football focus here. Good.
Speaker 2: I believe they've adjusted some of this stuff. So I
Speaker 2: don't expect Jade Daniels to be Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's I would just hit restart. If he's
Speaker 3: sitting there, I think that's crazy. I mean sometimes he
Speaker 3: goes in the teams, so what I just.
Speaker 2: Wanted to be gone. He should not be available, and
Speaker 2: we're picking at twenty.
Speaker 4: I'm getting impression he's like a lock.
Speaker 3: At two.
Speaker 2: He was my number one quarterback now, and he did
Speaker 2: the rankings earlier this week.
Speaker 3: I think he's a big commander.
Speaker 2: I think he's a really really good prospect.
Speaker 3: And yeah, he can't be available twenty, he cannot be available.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the picture in and the guy's available to us,
Speaker 2: a pictur right ahead of us at sixteen. The Seahawks
Speaker 2: took Verse seventeen, the Jaguars took Fuaga at eighteen, The
Speaker 2: Bengals took Latham at nineteen. The Rams take Fashanu.
Speaker 3: Wow. A little bit of run here, a little run.
Speaker 2: On the tackles there. And so we are up at
Speaker 2: twenty and the top players available Terry and Arnold.
Speaker 4: Wow, Okay, I mean that it's not insane.
Speaker 2: No, he didn't run super he's I think he's a
Speaker 2: better football player than he is an athlete.
Speaker 3: And he's a little more lot And you know, I
Speaker 3: could see someone liking Mitchell better.
Speaker 2: Or I can play him in the slot, I can
Speaker 2: play him outside. That's actually actually makes them more attractive
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: I mean, I bet on a board or two not mine,
Speaker 3: Wiggans would be ahead of him just because he's an
Speaker 3: outside speed merchant. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if Arnold's a much tougher player for the Steelers.
Speaker 3: He'd be my number one. He would be Yeah, he
Speaker 3: would take him over Mitchell. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is a tough guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Uh so he's available active Yeah.
Speaker 2: Jackson Powers Johnson available, Okay? Lay two available? Are Marius
Speaker 2: Mims available?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Graham Barton, Tyler Newman, Peyton Wilson, Brian Thomas, JJ McCarthy, Tyler, Geiton,
Speaker 2: Lad McConkie Zach Frasier.
Speaker 3: We have seven.
Speaker 4: I don't think McCarthy has had any chance to be there,
Speaker 4: but that's fine.
Speaker 3: We have seven trade offers. I'm always seven.
Speaker 4: Arnold would be my pick though, of the guys you the.
Speaker 2: Top team, the team with the highest pick here on
Speaker 2: the phone is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at twenty six.
Speaker 3: That's sound awful. There were a handful of names there.
Speaker 3: I'm still interested in.
Speaker 2: This is our crazy, this our Friday mark, so we
Speaker 2: could do whatever we want.
Speaker 3: We can trade crazy in this one. No lemon, all right,
Speaker 3: no limit trades. So I'm I'm interested to talk to
Speaker 3: the box the other teams on the on the phone,
Speaker 3: or the Kansas City at thirty two, Tennessee at thirty eight.
Speaker 3: I'm not even let's on the phone at seventy five.
Speaker 3: Come on, Chicago, what are you throwing.
Speaker 4: Next year's first and field players?
Speaker 3: All kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: Okay, so Tampa Bay, let's see what we can do
Speaker 2: with Tampa Bay. So obviously twenty six will being played.
Speaker 2: They want twenty Can we get fifty eight? It's a
Speaker 2: thirty two percent chance that they would take they would
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 4: What if we threw in one of those fours?
Speaker 2: Let's see if I'll do it with one ninety eight
Speaker 2: would make it a thirty nine percent chance.
Speaker 3: You want to roll with ice and then go back
Speaker 3: to driving work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see if they take Now they didn't take that, Okay,
Speaker 2: we can. We can sweeten the pot there. But if
Speaker 2: I give up one twenty one, which is be the
Speaker 2: one that I would trade in that situation, I want
Speaker 2: a little kicker.
Speaker 3: I want a little kicker too, Yeah, your fifth or something.
Speaker 3: Let's move from seven to five.
Speaker 2: Okay, So if we go twenty six and fifty eight
Speaker 2: for twenty and one to twenty one mm hmm in
Speaker 2: next year's fifth, that has a forty eight percent chance
Speaker 2: of being accepted.
Speaker 4: Instead of next year's fifth. Though, what if we got
Speaker 4: their fifth this year, and we gave them our seventh.
Speaker 4: So we go one four to seven for one.
Speaker 3: Two five. They don't have a fifth round pack. Oh
Speaker 3: that's the problem. Okay, yeah, that's definitely problem.
Speaker 2: What let's go a four next year.
Speaker 3: We've got two fifths.
Speaker 2: I don't want three fifths fifth, I'll give you the
Speaker 2: rams fifth.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that gives us a complete fifty to fifty chance
Speaker 2: of being excepted.
Speaker 3: Let's submit it. They accepted that, okay, so we got
Speaker 3: twenty six fifty eight.
Speaker 2: We got their fourth round pick next year for our
Speaker 2: fifth round pick next year as well, twenty one twenty.
Speaker 3: That's probably about a thirty pick swap. You know something
Speaker 3: up you know.
Speaker 2: Well there's some comp picks involved there as well, more
Speaker 2: than that.
Speaker 3: So I may have done it without the next year stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's pretty fair.
Speaker 2: You get fifty sixty spots, I'm going up seventy's Yeah,
Speaker 2: I say that's nice.
Speaker 3: All right, we're going to resume here.
Speaker 2: Who do they come? They come up to get a quarterback.
Speaker 2: They came up to get Peyton Wilson. Oh good, yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, So then it was Peyton Wilson, Terry and
Speaker 2: Arnold went twenty one.
Speaker 3: That didn't I think that when we did the trade down,
Speaker 3: I figured he's a long wing.
Speaker 2: Tyler Nuban went at twenty two.
Speaker 3: Good, Yeah, I might like him, but good.
Speaker 2: Graham Barton went at twenty three. Fine, Jackson Powers Johnson
Speaker 2: went at twenty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Lay two went at twenty five. So Mims is still
Speaker 2: on the board. Brian Thomas is still on the board. Wow,
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy still on the board. Tyler Geiton still on
Speaker 2: the board. Lab McConkie, I love Lat mcconay, Zach Frazier,
Speaker 2: Donnie Mitchell, bo Nicks, Troy Franklin. We still we have
Speaker 2: seven more trade offers, Matt who is on the phone.
Speaker 2: This is ought to be a team winning to come
Speaker 2: up with. So it's the Patriots.
Speaker 4: I was coming from accarthy.
Speaker 3: But maybe did they take in the first I bet
Speaker 3: they didn't take They took Marvin Harrison, So they're coming
Speaker 3: up for a quarterback.
Speaker 2: So if that's the case.
Speaker 4: So they're talking about you better give me.
Speaker 3: Some serious stuff. If you're coming up the quarterback, would
Speaker 3: a future pick from them? I'm trading up into the.
Speaker 2: Out of the first round to get to do this.
Speaker 4: If we stuck I would want Thomas or Mimsy.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't fight you on either one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if they vanished, I'm not gonna cry.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if we go thirty four, let's just see
Speaker 2: what we can get out of there. Twenty six. Their
Speaker 2: next pick is at sixty eight. Obviously I want that.
Speaker 2: They're saying there's a twenty forty seven percent chance that
Speaker 2: would be accepted.
Speaker 3: I didn't know if that would be enough, given me
Speaker 3: a second.
Speaker 2: And a third for a first.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, I'm not doing that. I mean we're going
Speaker 3: back what six picks.
Speaker 2: Going back eight spots, but I'm losing that year of
Speaker 2: that fifty year of option.
Speaker 3: On the sky.
Speaker 4: I mean their third is really early.
Speaker 2: You're coming up for a quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's not a deal for me. I
Speaker 3: don't think Mems or Thomas would be there. No, they're
Speaker 3: not trading up for Thomas, but he's not gonna still
Speaker 3: be there. No. If I don't do this, then I'm
Speaker 3: then I'm looking at I'd be hopeful that mconkie would
Speaker 3: make it there, or Frasier or somebody like that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I like that. I don't love
Speaker 3: it either.
Speaker 4: I think I stick and take one of these two guys.
Speaker 2: Which when do you like better? Mems or Thomas. They're
Speaker 2: both really good.
Speaker 3: Products, really really high upside for both of them. I
Speaker 3: think the tackle is the bigger need, but I could
Speaker 3: be persuaded for either. I think they're Since we traded down, let's.
Speaker 2: Look and see what's still available at tackle and then
Speaker 2: what's still I think wide receiver will be deeper. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: so Mems is still there, Guidan is still there, Morgan
Speaker 2: is still there. So Mattia is still there.
Speaker 3: Uh, I find the Morgan interests me. It didn't tackle
Speaker 3: Sethia does Yelle off?
Speaker 2: Blake Fisher is still there, Patrick Paul.
Speaker 4: So, I mean, receiver is going to be better?
Speaker 3: Is really good?
Speaker 2: We get fifty two and fifty eight, it's a good
Speaker 2: chance we'll get one of those guys.
Speaker 3: Corner receiver is gonna be nice in the fifties, it
Speaker 3: will be tackle might be okay.
Speaker 2: But Thomas is Thomas is.
Speaker 4: Really a star, really attractive, like a in a lot.
Speaker 2: In some drafts, Thomas will be the number one wide receiver.
Speaker 3: I don't think he lasts a twenty six. I don't
Speaker 3: think he does either, but here he is in this because.
Speaker 2: There was a run on some of the tackles and stuff.
Speaker 3: Do you have a preference of those two? I really
Speaker 3: won't fight you on either. There's nobody else in the
Speaker 3: conversation for me.
Speaker 2: So Thomas McConkie and Donnie Mitchell, Troy Franklin, Roman Wilson,
Speaker 2: Rickey pearsall.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's good. But they're gonna go quick too.
Speaker 2: They're gonna go quick too. I mean to me, Thomas
Speaker 2: stands way out above those guys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean touchdown, Oh I think yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: he imagine how that's the beauty. He doesn't even have
Speaker 3: to He could be a raw player for a little
Speaker 3: while too. Who cares No. Him and mem are very
Speaker 3: similar that way. I mean they have massive upside there,
Speaker 3: maybe the two of the top three talented players their positions.
Speaker 3: They haven't done it real long. I love them both.
Speaker 3: Then we have extra picks.
Speaker 2: We have extra picks.
Speaker 3: I'm going to do Thomas.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking here. I don't hate it.
Speaker 3: I mean both are. I'm thrilled with it to be
Speaker 3: a twenty six and either one of those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly.
Speaker 4: They're both of my top twenty.
Speaker 2: We could trade back up.
Speaker 3: We have tried to get the other one, try to
Speaker 3: get if they slide too far out of the all right,
Speaker 3: I would let's let's if you want to slow play it,
Speaker 3: I think let's take Thomas. Okay, let's take Funds. All right.
Speaker 2: So I just paused it here real quick. So we
Speaker 2: took Thomas.
Speaker 3: And where we.
Speaker 4: Just know trading up is hard because they get all.
Speaker 3: Well, they've flew by there. Yeah.
Speaker 2: MS was the next pick. Then geting to Donnie Mitchell,
Speaker 2: lab McConkey, Mike Sanstrill, Wow, to the forty nine ers
Speaker 2: at thirty one, Troy Franklin, Braswell McCarthy, Zach Frasier, uh
Speaker 2: tamp TJ Tampa, Jatavian Sanders, Jordan Morgan, bow Nicks, kool
Speaker 2: Aid McKinstry, at Desa, Isaac Brayden Fisk, Chop Robinson, Michael Pennix,
Speaker 2: Enus Rakestraw, Darius Robinson slides all the way to forty six,
Speaker 2: uh Ricky pier Saw.
Speaker 3: So we want receivers, yeah right, yeah, we wouldn't have
Speaker 3: gotten one of those guys that yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris Jenkins, Jayden Hicks. The Eagles are one o'clock.
Speaker 3: I hit that thing almost immediately it's impossible, and we're
Speaker 3: down at two pics, but two picks ahead of ours and.
Speaker 4: Trading up I think just forget about trading up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not going to trade UW. So we're back
Speaker 2: up here now. So Roman Wilson did slide to us here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, would I knew there'd be a receiver liked, but
Speaker 3: a lot of them went.
Speaker 2: So Sue Mattia is still there.
Speaker 3: Oh that's very attractive to me. Yeah, that was the
Speaker 3: one that was keeping my fingers crossed on.
Speaker 2: We do have two trade offers. Roman Wilson is their
Speaker 2: Javon Bullard, Jonah Ellis or or Hero.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that wouldn't be terrible.
Speaker 2: Keon Coleman, Kyrie Jackson.
Speaker 3: We picked soon though, right, Yeah, we got fifty two
Speaker 3: and fifty eight.
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, Yale Tackle Neeland, Jalen Polk, Edgrian Cooper, Xavier Legette,
Speaker 2: Christian Haynes.
Speaker 3: I'm falling in love with lyget by the way, Junior Coulson,
Speaker 3: but we don't want look at anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Spencer Rattler, Xavi, you're worthy. Who's on the phone.
Speaker 3: I'm listening to offers? But BYU tackle is gonna be
Speaker 3: really hard for me to pass up here.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the forty nine ers are on the phone, Okay,
Speaker 2: there probably why there at sixty three?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's too far, that's too far.
Speaker 2: That's too far. So you want to draft the player
Speaker 2: I do you want to take.
Speaker 3: A sea Mattiah Yep, yep, yep. He is really athletic.
Speaker 3: He's really athletic.
Speaker 2: Is a multiple piece of clay.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have to play week one either.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: He could be my move tight end on Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah he.
Speaker 3: Could be six though lineman, yeah right away. Maybe he
Speaker 3: just grabs the right tackle job or it's his forever.
Speaker 3: He's really talented.
Speaker 2: Boom souemtie is the pick. All right, we're back up here.
Speaker 2: So the picks between us, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, you know, I like Mems a lot, but he
Speaker 3: didn't seem at tire aren't that much different? Not a
Speaker 3: lot of difference than their profile.
Speaker 2: Bullard went, Roman, Wilson went, a Hero went, Ellis went,
Speaker 2: Jonathan Brooks went.
Speaker 4: Okay, there were two linebackers still, Cooper are that was interesting.
Speaker 2: We have four trade offers, all right? On the phone
Speaker 2: is Kansas City? They pick at sixty four?
Speaker 4: What numbers is like, we're fifty eighth.
Speaker 3: That's not bad.
Speaker 2: Uh so they're they're sixty four? Who else is on
Speaker 2: the phone? You get the Chargers sixty nine, the Packers
Speaker 2: at eighty eight, and the Titans at one oh seven. Okay,
Speaker 2: the top players available Keon Coleman, Kyrie Jackson, Yale Ty Tackle,
Speaker 2: Marshawn Neeland, Jalen Polk, Edgeran Cooper, Lagette, Christian Haynes, Junior Colson.
Speaker 3: Those two linebackers are certainly attractive. Yeah, corner can you
Speaker 3: sort by corner? It seems like they're starting to dry up?
Speaker 3: Like his Melton still there? Uh?
Speaker 2: Are you looking at cornerback here? Kyrie Jackson, Andrew Phillips, Okay,
Speaker 2: Lenardo Green, Jerry and Jones, Max Melton is still there,
Speaker 2: DJ James, Chris Abrams, dra and Jarvis Brownlee cam Hart,
Speaker 2: Elijah Jones. I mean there's some dudes there.
Speaker 4: I'm comfortable moving back to Casey neighborhood.
Speaker 3: I think we'll get one if we want, we can
Speaker 3: get one of the two corners or one of the
Speaker 3: two line back one of the two linebackers. Yeah, any of
Speaker 3: those would make me happy. Yeah, but we better do
Speaker 3: corners soon if we don't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've made two picks with that.
Speaker 2: Let's see what they'll Let's see what they'll give us
Speaker 2: here Kansas City sixty four fifty eight.
Speaker 3: Their next pick is at ninety five. I don't know
Speaker 3: if they would give us that one.
Speaker 4: We we definitely want dump that seventh rounder.
Speaker 3: Thirty chance that would happen. What if we gave him
Speaker 3: a seventh and the next year sixth or something. That's
Speaker 3: where I'm the seventh pushing it to a thirty five
Speaker 3: percent chance they would accept.
Speaker 4: You want something better than this garbagejumps.
Speaker 2: Out, I'll offer and just see I didn't dig it.
Speaker 3: And a future pick because we got expers in two
Speaker 3: thirty eight, we get to we have what we have
Speaker 3: next year is did we get a fourth from ten.
Speaker 2: For our trades? We got a one to two, A three,
Speaker 2: two fourths because we traded one of our fifth for five,
Speaker 2: we get a five and a seven.
Speaker 4: That doesn't get us real far. No, okay, well, I.
Speaker 2: Mean they also they have one thirty three. I'm sure yeah,
Speaker 2: they would do fifty eight. They would do sixty four
Speaker 2: and one thirty three for fifty eight and two thirty eight.
Speaker 3: One chance.
Speaker 2: So that's where we might be able to get.
Speaker 3: Why don't we milk a future pick out of them
Speaker 3: or send our seventh next year for their fifth next
Speaker 3: year or something like that, So.
Speaker 2: They would give us their four next year. Eighty one
Speaker 2: percent chance that's accepted.
Speaker 3: I think I'm doing that trade.
Speaker 2: So then we would have three fours next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's bad. Yeah, that could be very useful.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, I'm.
Speaker 4: In on that.
Speaker 3: I mean because one of those defensive players except yeah,
Speaker 3: they accepted that. I don't mind me back six here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it's we jumped up one hundred spots yeah,
Speaker 2: right for next year and got a NEXTRA pick next year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we went from two thirty eight to one thirty three
Speaker 2: in this draft.
Speaker 3: That's very meaningful. I would say we moved up on
Speaker 3: one hundred spots in next year's draft capital too. Yeah
Speaker 3: throughout the course of this yeah, segment, but.
Speaker 2: Moving up one hundred spots in this year's draft monster huge.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be out of that bottom nonsense.
Speaker 2: Yeah that worked out well.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, so the picks were they came up to
Speaker 3: get key On Coleman, which that makes it move for them.
Speaker 3: That'd be super smart.
Speaker 2: Get Yale tackle neland Jaylen pol Kyrie Jackson.
Speaker 3: Those exactly we wanted to go.
Speaker 2: Top player available, Edgar and Cooper.
Speaker 3: When do we pick again?
Speaker 2: We are back then at eighty four, so twenty picks,
Speaker 2: one of those corners will be there. I feel pretty.
Speaker 3: Considable with that. Melton is one of my faves. I
Speaker 3: understand that. But Cooper Cooper is the best linebacker in
Speaker 3: the draft. Yeah, take him.
Speaker 2: You have one trade offer. It's Denver at seventy six.
Speaker 2: I don't want to Cooper to me, is is no.
Speaker 2: I think we're pretty happy.
Speaker 3: I think it takes. He's still floating around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, Cooper's to pick.
Speaker 3: I mean if you signed a linebacker. Yeah, okay, we
Speaker 3: are back up now at eighty four corners jumping out
Speaker 3: of mat. This is gonna be tough, all right. So
Speaker 3: we got trade offers. Seven of themis seven.
Speaker 2: You got Jacksonville ninety six is the highest, and you
Speaker 2: get the Giants at one o eight, the Falcons at
Speaker 2: one ten, Denver at one fourteen, and everybody else is
Speaker 2: after that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The top players available to us Michael Pratt, to Andre Sweat,
Speaker 2: Cameron Kinchins, Jeremiah Trotter, Ronardo Green, Ceder Van Pran, Blake Corham,
Speaker 2: Mason McCormick, Calen Bullock, Jerry and Jones, Bucky Irving, Dadrian Tyler, Demson, Marriss,
Speaker 2: Leo Leof Who SIONI VACKI, Ray Davis. Thanks Mountain.
Speaker 3: I was just saying, sweats gonuld be hard to pass up.
Speaker 3: But I think Meltain's a gift.
Speaker 2: I just can't disagree with you.
Speaker 3: I can take them the We've been at a new corner
Speaker 3: now because I'm having a hard time sleeping right.
Speaker 4: Now with her.
Speaker 2: Got to add something to the secondary. I might add two.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have objected that at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Mountain wore another safety, Mountains a pick.
Speaker 3: At eighty four.
Speaker 4: I'm still looking d line Yep.
Speaker 3: That's a tough passing on to Bundery. It was that late.
Speaker 3: But the fact that Meltain was still available, if it
Speaker 3: was some of the other corners we listed before, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll think about it the Mountain. Okay that when we.
Speaker 2: Are back up at one twenty and we have no
Speaker 2: trade offers, so we got three picks left.
Speaker 3: So we have a receiver, yeah, a tackle, yeah, a
Speaker 3: linebacker in a corner, yeah, good.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So at one twenty top players available as
Speaker 2: steammate Tyreek Smith or Tyk Smith, I should say that.
Speaker 4: Would interest it. He's a different type of d back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Trey Benson, Leonard Taylor, the other edge rusher out
Speaker 2: of Alabama because name I can't pronounce it, Malik Washington,
Speaker 2: Christian Jones, Mohammed Kamara, the edge rusher from Colorado State,
Speaker 2: Chow Smith Wade the cornerback from Washington.
Speaker 3: State, Masson Smith there by chance.
Speaker 2: Not seeing him, Braylan Allen, McKinley, Jackson, Kayln Carson, will Shipley,
Speaker 2: Isaac Garundo, Cedric Gray still available, Josh Newton, it's bad,
Speaker 2: that's not bad, like the McKai wingle. Misson Smith is
Speaker 2: still available.
Speaker 4: Would you take him over like a Tykee Smith or
Speaker 4: those early d backs we mentioned? I think I would.
Speaker 2: Let me see what's available here at safety. How's that looking?
Speaker 2: It's Tyke Smith, Bo Brady, Malik, Mustafa, James Williams. That
Speaker 2: dries up pretty quickly after after those guys.
Speaker 3: First, some good runglings about Mustapha lately. I haven't done
Speaker 3: him a lot of homework.
Speaker 2: I have too. Yeah, not a bad football player at corner.
Speaker 2: You're still looking at Wade Smith, Kayln Carson, Josh Newton,
Speaker 2: Kayln King, Dwight mclothin Neamyah Pritchett, Taylor still so that's
Speaker 2: starting to dry up. And defensive tackles we have we
Speaker 2: pick again at one thirty three year, so we're kind
Speaker 2: of rolling the dice, which this is one twenty. Leonard
Speaker 2: Taylor is still there, McKinley, Jackson, Christian Boyd, McKay, Wingo, Myson, Smith,
Speaker 2: Logan Lee, Logan Lee had.
Speaker 3: A good car. My vote is Smith and then Chiswood
Speaker 3: and Stone. Best defensive back available.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm not gonna fight you. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: Massan Smith is a very interesting good steeler.
Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Massan Smith is I was.
Speaker 2: I just wrote those guys up last night and the
Speaker 2: thing that I didn't So, yeah, his his freshman years,
Speaker 2: he's a top five or he's a five star coming
Speaker 2: in one of the top defensive line recruits in the country.
Speaker 2: First seven games of his freshman year, true freshman like,
Speaker 2: he had four or five sacks in.
Speaker 3: The first first seven games.
Speaker 2: Injures his shoulder, ye misses the rest of the year,
Speaker 2: comes back plays the first game of his sophomore year,
Speaker 2: blows his knee out. So last year he's coming back
Speaker 2: off of that was okay coming off, but he'll be
Speaker 2: two years removed from k the injury.
Speaker 3: As a rookie. He's got all kinds of talent. This
Speaker 3: is just hearing people talk on podcasts and things, but
Speaker 3: several I've heard said his last three games were his
Speaker 3: best last year, like he started to look like the
Speaker 3: freshman guy. Yeah, finally he was a stud as a freshman, right,
Speaker 3: and if you can get that version, that's the first
Speaker 3: round pick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean your doctors would be involved.
Speaker 2: Definitely worth the Yeah. Yeah, we just missed on Josh Newton.
Speaker 3: He went to the Ravens at one is Tikey Smith there?
Speaker 2: Still, let's let's take a look here. So it's safety.
Speaker 2: I'm like, put up corners and see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I just want best defensive back. I
Speaker 3: don't care if he's six 'y to two or slot.
Speaker 2: So we got Charles Smith, Wade McKinley. Am I getting
Speaker 2: defensive Smith? Wade's all right, cornerback and.
Speaker 3: Safety? Give me safety? There we go?
Speaker 2: Uh, Charles Smith, Wade, Kayln Carson Kayln King spelled differently.
Speaker 2: Bo Brady Malik Mustafa, James Williams, White mclothin me and
Speaker 2: my approach at Jalen Simpson.
Speaker 3: James Williams really isn't a defensive back.
Speaker 2: No, he's a one transition macker. Yeah, I'm looking here.
Speaker 3: Miss Stapha. We're getting the D back neighborhood where I
Speaker 3: need to know more? Y, I don't know as enough
Speaker 3: as i'm smith. Wade's okay, Yeah, yeah he tested well,
Speaker 3: didn't he Yeah, five eleven, one seventy six.
Speaker 2: He could be a little bigger, kayln Carson. I think
Speaker 2: he's a little Yeah, he's six one one ninety five.
Speaker 2: More of a zone type guy though, Yeah, he runs
Speaker 2: real well.
Speaker 4: I mean if he's an outside guy, he might have
Speaker 4: a hard time making the team.
Speaker 2: Played some inside, but yeah, he might have a tough time.
Speaker 3: How about if we don't go D back, I mean
Speaker 3: we just said Chisel and Sow and it's gonna be
Speaker 3: a D back. But whether if there's a quarterback we
Speaker 3: like or yeah, we should probably take a look at that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's let's see. We do have a trade off for
Speaker 3: a center we like. We do have a trade offer here,
Speaker 3: Ordolini's there, who's on the phone. Washington, who picks at
Speaker 3: one thirty eight is on the phone.
Speaker 4: Okay, I wouldn't mind a future pick from those guys.
Speaker 3: No, I wouldn't mind that either.
Speaker 2: Let's just take a look here at the center and
Speaker 2: quarterback positions. Quarterback, you're looking at Austin Reed, Joe Milton,
Speaker 2: h Tackle Vloa, Carter Bradley, Sam Hartman, keith On Slovas,
Speaker 2: Devin Leary.
Speaker 4: I mean, I get the Milton the lore, but rarely
Speaker 4: does he throw the football and it goes to a teammate, you.
Speaker 3: Know what I mean? Like, yeah, he says a complete
Speaker 3: many packs and he's got the big arm.
Speaker 2: But I think I think he completed like twenty eight
Speaker 2: percent of his throws down the field last year. He
Speaker 2: I mean like he just throws it out there and hopes,
Speaker 2: they hope.
Speaker 4: And wow, not many people can do that. But he's
Speaker 4: a complete be Any gain.
Speaker 2: The ideas and you just throw the football as far
Speaker 2: as you can.
Speaker 3: If you remember from Hendon Hooker last year too, that's
Speaker 3: a really weird offense too.
Speaker 4: I mean it's going to take him a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, I don't.
Speaker 3: I mean I get that he's big and attractive and
Speaker 3: throw him. So this is interesting. Man Zack Center is available.
Speaker 4: Ooh, that's a great one. Just red shirt.
Speaker 2: I mean I I don't even know if you'll have
Speaker 2: the red shirt, but who knows, who knows? I mean,
Speaker 2: he's just starting guard, one of your starting guards next year.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you looked at way too early lists before.
Speaker 3: The call of season, he's the first round z Enter
Speaker 3: and Mason Smith the first round pair.
Speaker 2: He was Michigan's best lineman last year before breaking his left.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the best line in the league. And they're
Speaker 3: going to have six linemen drafted this year. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think you do it right. James Daniel's up. I mean
Speaker 3: I think Herbig's up too again, right, Yeah, he's probably
Speaker 3: a two year deal. Yeah, you just take don't know
Speaker 3: if he's a guard only or not. I haven't studied him,
Speaker 3: but he's he's a really good guard. Yeah. No, I
Speaker 3: think that's it. All right. We're back up here now.
Speaker 3: With all the trading down we did, I mean, our
Speaker 3: needs kind of evaporated.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we're up at one ninety eight. This
Speaker 2: is our final pick.
Speaker 4: We have three trade offers though, I'm so interested in safety.
Speaker 2: Safety, quarterback, center, center, if there's somebody there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I can with the list offers too.
Speaker 2: Quarterback, let's go interior offensive line, let's go safety.
Speaker 3: In the corner. Say, slot wouldn't be terrible either.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the top players available, just looking at that,
Speaker 2: Hunter Norsad the center at of Penn State State JV
Speaker 2: and Cohen Tanner BORDERLINI.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think that's hard to pass up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Omar Brown the safety at Nebraska, Johnny Dixon, it's
Speaker 2: kind of a slot type out of Penn State. Josh
Speaker 2: yah Day Kwon Hardy another slot type out of Penn State.
Speaker 2: They both they move those guys around a little bit.
Speaker 2: Dylan McMahon the center at the NC State, Miles Harden
Speaker 2: Trade Taylor A J.
Speaker 3: Woods. You kind of sold me at Bortolini, I think Bordelini. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he also can play some guard. But I mean we're
Speaker 3: drafting three linemen that maybe don't even start this year,
Speaker 3: but might all start next year. Yeah, I mean, which
Speaker 3: I am not complaining about at all. I mean they're
Speaker 3: all athletic dudes, and I think that's a pick unless
Speaker 3: you want to take eventure of the trade down.
Speaker 2: I already okay, yeah, I already took borderline.
Speaker 3: Yeah in Wisconsin, Wisconsin Center does that's a supreme athlete, right,
Speaker 3: sign me up.
Speaker 4: Okay, so it's an interesting one. We were quite active.
Speaker 2: We came out of this. We made our We traded down.
Speaker 2: I got a future fifth from Tampa to move down
Speaker 2: to twenty six, and we took Brian Thomas at twenty six.
Speaker 3: I wonder that's stealing, That is steeling, but we were.
Speaker 3: We really flipped a coin with him and Mims. You
Speaker 3: wonder what the path would have looked like, because every
Speaker 3: pick would have been different, of course, you know, but
Speaker 3: I always like to think of that.
Speaker 2: We then took it fifty two Kingsley Sua Mattia.
Speaker 3: I don't think any chance he's there either. Yeah, that late. Uh.
Speaker 2: Then we traded back again. Uh, we were supposed to
Speaker 2: be at fifty eight if I remember, Yeah, they're just
Speaker 2: in front of me.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: So we got a future fourth rounder from Kansas City
Speaker 2: and we drafted Edgaran Cooper at sixty four.
Speaker 3: Nice. Nice those guys.
Speaker 2: Then we took Max Melton at eighty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it made me sleep a little better.
Speaker 2: Massan Smith at one twenty.
Speaker 4: Okay, hopefully it works out, but if it doesn't, it
Speaker 4: doesn't kill you.
Speaker 2: Zach Ziner at one thirty three for tomorrow and Tanner
Speaker 2: Bordolini at one night.
Speaker 3: Also could be for tomorrow. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Overall, Gray was a B plus. We got d's on
Speaker 2: Massan Smith and Zack Zenter because we took them ahead
Speaker 2: earlier than earlier than they're like, that's the thing. I
Speaker 2: don't care about that.
Speaker 4: And what do we do next year? I know, we
Speaker 4: traded we came out of that five for four.
Speaker 2: We traded our five for a four we got, we
Speaker 2: get we had two fourth round picks as well out
Speaker 2: of this whole.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we cost us a five. We had two fives.
Speaker 2: Now we have three fours.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's awesome and once Kansas City's which is probably
Speaker 3: gonna be late one's Tampa's, but they're still valuable fours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now now we have some ability to move
Speaker 2: around next year.
Speaker 3: Trade deadline if you need a guy or something like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, one of those fours is going to go
Speaker 3: do something. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I like that. That's a good draft.
Speaker 2: No, I like that.
Speaker 3: I mean Brian Thomas, Brian Thomas will be a fun play.
Speaker 3: I mean, how much campaign Cooper and Max Melton. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean Pickens and Thomas having you know, crazy athletic
Speaker 3: competitions against each other.
Speaker 4: That's fun. You got some athletes there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might have the most athletic wide receiver group
Speaker 2: in the league with size, no doubt. That looks like
Speaker 2: a men's volleyball team.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean we got one of the most athletic tackles.
Speaker 3: We might have got the most athletic center. There's some
Speaker 3: testers on that list. Yeah, that's a good draft. Now.
Speaker 3: I like that one a lot, and I love putting
Speaker 3: something in the bank for next year.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I know you always like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, collaborate. I can always do something with it, you know.
Speaker 2: Anyways, that was our latest mock draft. We're gonna get
Speaker 2: to a break. He is the Matt Williams and I'm
Speaker 2: Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here on Steelers
Speaker 2: Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right after this.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
Speaker 2: I'm Dale LOLLI. He is the Matt Williamson and Matt
Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah who joined us on the show out in
Speaker 2: on these nice visit. Yeah, he has his now updated
Speaker 2: top fifty.
Speaker 3: Okay, coming out of the combine. Okay, I was listening
Speaker 3: to podcast where he teased Dad he was working on
Speaker 3: it and he came out, so.
Speaker 2: It's out there. He stills.
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams number one, I get it, Marvin Harrison number two,
Speaker 3: rote Macdonsday number three.
Speaker 4: He's had a crush on a Doomsday since the start.
Speaker 3: I get it. I mean I had no proquems with
Speaker 3: that whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has Malik Neighbors four.
Speaker 3: It's pretty strong.
Speaker 2: Drake May five.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Daniels hasn't been Jade and Daniels six. I'm in.
Speaker 4: They're the top six in most boards.
Speaker 2: He's brock Bauer seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, still get it. I get it.
Speaker 3: Terry and Arnold eight. Over any tackle, over any of
Speaker 3: the tackles, I can't.
Speaker 4: Say in that neighborhood. But Arnold's pretty impressive.
Speaker 2: Talisi Fuaga is his number one tackle at nine. How
Speaker 2: about that?
Speaker 4: I assumed it would be an Old, but I know he's.
Speaker 3: So he bumped him up a spot and moved all
Speaker 3: down a spot. He is ald at ten, so he
Speaker 3: flipped fluff Lips, I get it. At eleven Dallas Turner, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be the FIRSTFEST player off the board.
Speaker 2: Probably.
Speaker 3: He's a pass rusher and he tested well and yeah Bama.
Speaker 2: At twelve up five spots, Troy Fatanu.
Speaker 3: He's a tackle, he's a tackling. That's an arm length move. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At thirteen up two spots, Quinnya Mitchell.
Speaker 3: Okay, these are the normal names. But yeah, fourteen holding
Speaker 3: Steadies Verse. Yeah, he did a really good combine too. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At fifteen down three spots is Forshanu.
Speaker 3: Small hands too, Yeah, that's weird. I mean he's not
Speaker 3: a great run blocker. Yeah, and I think part of
Speaker 3: it because he has small hands, can't grab guy. Yeah. Right.
Speaker 3: At sixteen down three spots Latham Okay, I mean I
Speaker 3: think it's more of this everybody else going up around him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: At seventeen down a spot, Brian Thomas.
Speaker 4: That's who he is. I mean, I think he's a
Speaker 4: top twenty player.
Speaker 3: Yeah. At eighteen up two spots, Lay two Sure. At
Speaker 3: nineteen up three spots Byron Murphy. Yeah, I'm pretty confident
Speaker 3: he's gonna be the first fense tackle off the board. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he won't be a Steeler.
Speaker 4: No, hopefully he goes in top nineteen, which I think
Speaker 4: is possible.
Speaker 2: At twenty down a spot Amarius Mims.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's most years he's a top three tackle.
Speaker 2: At twenty one, up six spots. JJ McCarthy, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'd be moving him up, but that part doesn't matter
Speaker 3: to me as much. If you're moving up or down.
Speaker 3: At twenty two to go high, yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 3: He's quarterback twenty two down four spots. Tyler Geiton. Okay,
Speaker 3: there has been a ton of buzz since the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 3: but I haven't really lost confidence in him.
Speaker 2: People expected him to test like crazy, Like crazy didn't happen.
Speaker 3: It was good, not great. Yeah. Yeah at twenty three,
Speaker 3: up a spot, Chop Robinson, Yeah, aguy, And I'm hoping
Speaker 3: he goes on the top nineteen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At twenty four down three spots Edger and Cooper.
Speaker 3: Wow. He had Edgerrin Cooper higher than anybody for months now,
Speaker 3: real close on, real quick on Chop. If Verse and
Speaker 3: Turner are gone, that could be the people calling you
Speaker 3: a twenty and go get guy. I mean that's a
Speaker 3: position people will move up.
Speaker 2: For absolutely At twenty five, up eight spots A Donnie Mitchell.
Speaker 3: He's I've not done my receiver ranks, and I know
Speaker 3: who my top four are going to be. They're the
Speaker 3: four that were mentioned. I'm starting to really lean towards him.
Speaker 3: At five.
Speaker 2: I still like Leb Maconkey a lot.
Speaker 3: I do too. I'm falling in love with Laget as well. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he looks like a J. Brown shorter though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but just rocked up and fast and good after catch.
Speaker 2: And twenty six down three spots us Rakestraw.
Speaker 3: Didn't excel at the combine. Yeah, I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: know he's guaranteed to be the first round pick.
Speaker 2: At twenty seven, up seven spots, Graham Barton, I gotta.
Speaker 3: Have him over Rake Straw.
Speaker 4: Just a solid prospect.
Speaker 2: At twenty eight, up three spots, Cooper Dejene.
Speaker 3: We don't talk about him anymore. But wrong is a thing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and the media is weird. I mean, I'm sure the
Speaker 3: Steelers draft board has not changed one's bit where Degene
Speaker 3: is good, bad or ugly, But I'd sure like him
Speaker 3: to stay playing in black and gold. Yeah.
Speaker 2: At nine, down three spots, Bo Nicks so.
Speaker 3: Let's say you take it even better. Let's say you
Speaker 3: trade from twenty to twenty five. You take one of
Speaker 3: the tackles and Dejene's still sitting there when the first
Speaker 3: round's over, you picked up some extra draft capital and
Speaker 3: moved down. You got two forces already, but you try
Speaker 3: to get to like thirty three thirty four for him,
Speaker 3: I think, and kind of make it a two person draft.
Speaker 2: I think he's a really good could be kind of fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you left with Mims and him.
Speaker 3: Or basically what you did is match last year's draft.
Speaker 4: Right, you took at the top on a corner.
Speaker 3: I mean, but those positions other than quarterback, that that's
Speaker 3: phenomenal to do it with. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, Nick's at twenty nine, down three spots. Jackson powers
Speaker 2: Johnson at thirty down a spot.
Speaker 4: His combine didn't blow your doors off.
Speaker 3: Yeah. At thirty one, down six spots, Nate Wiggins, I
Speaker 3: think it's a lean this. Yeah, he's skinny, he doesn't
Speaker 3: look like a football player out there, and you know Spandex.
Speaker 2: At thirty two, down four spots.
Speaker 3: Jerson Newton. I don't know why they got a lot
Speaker 3: of move up ahead.
Speaker 2: At thirty three, up five spots.
Speaker 3: Michael Pennix. He's off for everybody. But if he's if
Speaker 3: he's protected.
Speaker 4: And can sling it, I think he's gonna be a Seahawk.
Speaker 4: I mean they signed Washington's yeah, I mean Washington's offense coordinators.
Speaker 3: Now they're watfense coordinator.
Speaker 2: At thirty four, up eight spots, lad Mconkey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he's really good. I don't might give him.
Speaker 3: Another The route runner good to me, like he ran fast, yes,
Speaker 3: and he's a great route runner.
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, he's going to be a good NFL player.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 2: At thirty five, down three spots, Zach Frasier. Yeah, nothing
Speaker 2: that he did another wrong, right right? The other guy's
Speaker 2: bumped up ahead.
Speaker 3: Yah, a little bit of momentum.
Speaker 2: At thirty six, up four spots, Kamari Lassiter.
Speaker 4: He had a good under under the radar, really good
Speaker 4: combine too.
Speaker 3: Yeah uh. At thirty seven, I'd be real happy to
Speaker 3: see him in the second round. I don't think he'll last.
Speaker 2: Up eight spots again. The matching. The biggest run here
Speaker 2: up eight spots is Braden Fisk at thirty seven.
Speaker 3: I understand that he scares me a little bit though,
Speaker 3: as kind of a workout warrior. Yeah, I wouldn't bump
Speaker 3: him up.
Speaker 2: I don't know that he's this SI over this and
Speaker 2: thirty eight down eight spots, Darius Robinson.
Speaker 3: I had a bunch of other Robinson I would much rather.
Speaker 3: I mean, numbers were better, but Robinson fits the three four.
Speaker 4: I mean the arm length in itself, I think is
Speaker 4: the tiebreaker in his favor. Because it's day, we have.
Speaker 2: A new highest riser here up nine spots at thirty
Speaker 2: nine Ricky Pearsoll.
Speaker 4: Well, he did tear it up. Would you consider him
Speaker 4: in the second round?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, you're just happy he's there and take him absolutely.
Speaker 3: I think that's about where he goes maybe earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he's not much different than Maccaon's I was
Speaker 3: just going to say.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of difference. But they're both about
Speaker 2: the same size. They both ran in the four fours.
Speaker 4: Yep, they're not just quick guys, not fast.
Speaker 2: They both run good routes and catch everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's wrong with that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: At forty up seven spots, Peyton Wilson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, if the medicals truly are clean, I
Speaker 3: think there's a chance he could be in the first round.
Speaker 3: Randy would win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's six to four, forty one, holding steadies Avier Worthy.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have bumped them massively like some people will.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we knew he was fast.
Speaker 2: At forty two down seven spots, kool aid mckinstrey.
Speaker 4: Did Worthy even consider your top five receivers? No, I'm
Speaker 4: not sure he make my top ten.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 3: No, Like all the guys mentioned so far, I like
Speaker 3: to get better. I might like Franklin better.
Speaker 2: You know, mckinstree down seven spots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he better run better run. Well, if he doesn't,
Speaker 3: then you think about him and he's just steal on
Speaker 3: the second round.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at forty three down six spots, Troy Franklin, did
Speaker 2: he I.
Speaker 4: Don't remember his combat. I remember I think he was
Speaker 4: slow four fours.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can check it here real quick.
Speaker 4: I don't think he'll be a steeler, but he came.
Speaker 2: In at six two one seventy six, so he is lean.
Speaker 3: Yeah he's lean.
Speaker 2: Uh he ran four to four to one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is fine, right, I mean, which is amazing
Speaker 4: that goes under reported.
Speaker 3: It's really fast, dude, really fast? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh, forty four down five spots.
Speaker 3: Jordan Morgan, Yeah, he might be a guard, but he's
Speaker 3: a good movement guy at forty five down nine spots,
Speaker 3: Keon Coleman.
Speaker 4: I don't see it that way.
Speaker 3: We knew he wasn't fast, Yeah, and he didn't run
Speaker 3: terribly always, drill work was really good. I'd consider him
Speaker 3: in the second round. He's a really physical yeah specimen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think he's being harshly criticized.
Speaker 2: At forty six down three spots Junior Colson.
Speaker 4: Okay, I mean I think he's a top fifty player.
Speaker 2: At forty seven down three spots Malachai Corley.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did he feel like we talked about him in
Speaker 4: a while either?
Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't remember his workouts. I mean they must
Speaker 3: not have been tremendous or terrible.
Speaker 2: Ah, he did not work out.
Speaker 4: Okay, that adds up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but again I'm considering in the second you.
Speaker 2: Hurts yourself by not working on.
Speaker 4: I think certainly in our circles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, like I don't know if the chiefs
Speaker 3: all of a sudden don't like them, you know, but
Speaker 3: we're not talking about them.
Speaker 2: You're only giving yourself one chance, though. So let's say
Speaker 2: let's say you skip the combine. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: work out at the Combine. Right, you go to your
Speaker 2: pro day.
Speaker 3: And you pull a hammy at Western Kentucky and half
Speaker 3: the teams are there and you pull a hammy, Yeah,
Speaker 3: or you're sick than I And now you didn't run
Speaker 3: at all. Yeah, and then you got trouble. And I
Speaker 3: will say, and I'm not just saying, it's because the media.
Speaker 3: The world's smaller. Now, teams listen to media more than
Speaker 3: the other way around. You know, Like.
Speaker 4: This draftnick thing isn't just a joke, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 2: Now I say it like it used to be guys
Speaker 2: didn't want to run at the Combine because the track
Speaker 2: at in Indianapolis wasn't fast. Well they changed that.
Speaker 4: It's definitely fast.
Speaker 3: It might not be as fast as Ohio States, you know,
Speaker 3: but I mean there's others that are faster.
Speaker 4: But it's not a slow track.
Speaker 3: No, not at all at all.
Speaker 2: At forty eight up a spot, Marshaw Kneeland.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's about this neighborhood.
Speaker 2: At forty nine up a spot, Roman Wilson.
Speaker 3: I might like him better than a couple guys we mentioned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then at fifty moving in he was unranked
Speaker 2: Massan Smith really, we ended up with like four guys
Speaker 2: off a DJ's list, So Melton wasn't on the Melton's
Speaker 2: not on there, but he probably didn't miss that much.
Speaker 3: He must be hearing really good stuff about Smith. Yeah,
Speaker 3: seef any nuggets in his right up about Smith.
Speaker 2: Is a tall, long, and athletic defensive tackle. Had a
Speaker 2: very productive freshman campaign for LSU before suffering a season
Speaker 2: and a knee injury in the first game of his
Speaker 2: sophomore season. Didn't look like the same player in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, but he didn't prove throughout the season. As
Speaker 2: a pass rusher, he flashes quick hands and feet to
Speaker 2: win on the edge of blockers. His power hasn't fully
Speaker 2: returned yet, and he doesn't have a solid pass rush plan.
Speaker 2: Against the run, he uses his length to hold the
Speaker 2: point attack, and he is above average range. Overall, there
Speaker 2: is risk here, but the upside should be very appealing
Speaker 2: to teams with a strong defensive line.
Speaker 3: Coach. Yeah, yeah, that's up. Yeah on our teams a
Speaker 3: lot in max that's one hundred per Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, So that's uh Daniel Jeremiah's new top fifty.
Speaker 3: Did you do your top thts? I haven't thought about it.
Speaker 3: I did just right now, I did my top two. Okay,
Speaker 3: Murphy and Newton will be my top two and me
Speaker 3: Smith ends up four or five, Robinson ahead of Newton
Speaker 3: really okay, I don't know if Sweat will be in
Speaker 3: it or not. He didn't make.
Speaker 4: It okos and detractive to me.
Speaker 2: I had Yeah, I had Rook in there, and I
Speaker 2: had Yeah, and I had miss On Smith. They were
Speaker 2: my four and fives.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm thinking rut now for the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I definitely have Newton, but.
Speaker 2: I tend I tend to look at things because I've
Speaker 2: done it for so long. Out of three Steelers lens.
Speaker 3: Right, which is much different forget Yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: probably will have somewhere five if he keep Sweat out
Speaker 3: of the top five or not.
Speaker 4: Kevin kick kick these things right.
Speaker 3: He's a pure nose top down. Yeah. How many snaps
Speaker 3: are you gonna go? Right? That bothers me a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyways, that's Daniel Jeremiah's top top fifty. We're gonna
Speaker 2: take another break. We'll be back to finish up the
Speaker 2: show right after this.
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Speaker 4: So I'm sure that's all a lot of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the thirty thirteen changing gears here for oh yeah,
Speaker 2: from the AFT a little bit. I love talking draft
Speaker 2: this time here, and hopefully we're getting everybody up to
Speaker 2: speed on some of these.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, as we learned. We want you guys to learn.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's what That's what we great feel for the first, second,
Speaker 3: third rounders.
Speaker 4: But now we're digging in taking right right.
Speaker 2: So Derek Clawson, whose work we reference on occasion here
Speaker 2: on the on the thirty third team, he does.
Speaker 3: The quarterbacks stuff, right.
Speaker 2: Uh, He has ranked every NFL offensive play caller entering
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four season.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, this might shock you.
Speaker 2: The Steelers have a new offensive play caller.
Speaker 4: He's on the list.
Speaker 2: He's on the list here, and let's see where Arthur
Speaker 2: Smith ranks and Derek Clawson's ranked.
Speaker 3: I haven't looked at these a long time, but I'm
Speaker 3: we're gonna start at the bottom or the Topah, let's
Speaker 3: start a top on this one, something different because those
Speaker 3: bottom guys are going to be a lot of quarterback
Speaker 3: offensive coordinat knows right.
Speaker 2: So at number one is Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Kevin McVeigh and Reed are going to dominate this
Speaker 4: thing too.
Speaker 3: He has McVeigh. Okay, okay.
Speaker 2: At three, Andy Reid.
Speaker 3: There you go, Okay.
Speaker 4: I figured they'd be the top three in some shape
Speaker 4: or form.
Speaker 2: I think Andy Reid would be number one if he
Speaker 2: would stop all the trick play stuff in the red zone.
Speaker 3: That might be coming to an end by the way,
Speaker 3: I mean, bring around the rosie and yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Having Travis Kelsey take direct snaps and then flipping like
Speaker 2: you do. It's all cute and fun when it works.
Speaker 3: But it doesn't work, it's disaster. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: At four.
Speaker 3: At four, I think it starts to be a conversation he.
Speaker 2: Has Mike McDaniel. I don't agree with that innovative. I
Speaker 2: think he is a good offensive play caller, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Know that he is great. I think he's a September
Speaker 3: October collar, you know what I mean. And that's fine
Speaker 3: when you're in Miami. It's not fine when you're in
Speaker 3: Kansas City and it's three below or thirty below. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's just don't think there's a lot of
Speaker 4: physicality to it.
Speaker 3: No, there's no physical But I like the creativity and
Speaker 3: it's used to speaking. Yeah, yeah, there's some cool stuff
Speaker 3: without question.
Speaker 2: At five, Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 3: Doesn't get addit for that because I put La Flora
Speaker 3: ahead of.
Speaker 4: I think I would too.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think Laflora does a really good job.
Speaker 3: And I think he kind of Oh he's Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 3: you know, look what he didn't post that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think he's an underrating guy.
Speaker 2: And let's not forget where Arthur who Arthur Smith worked under.
Speaker 3: Right, I mean he took over, he took over, right,
Speaker 3: there's some tendencies there. Yeah. Uh. At six, Sean Payton, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a time he would have been one, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean when he was last year. Didn't do him
Speaker 3: any favors, No, yeah, he really didn't. But I've been
Speaker 3: told basically the duration of Sean Payton's career that people
Speaker 3: study him in the office, especially back a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 2: Seven Kevin O'Connell last year didn't do him any favors
Speaker 2: in terms of the play cat.
Speaker 3: I'm impressed with him as a yeah yeah, at the podium.
Speaker 3: As a coach, I think he's a keeper.
Speaker 2: At eight Shane Steichen, Okay, I don't know if it's anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I guess that goes back to some
Speaker 3: of the Eagles stuff too, But okay.
Speaker 2: Nine Kevin Stefancy slash Ken Dorsey with Cleveland. I don't
Speaker 2: know why Stefanski's the play caller.
Speaker 3: Maybe he didn't know at that time that they.
Speaker 2: Were now not calling the plays.
Speaker 3: He's not going to Okay, I don't think Stefan is
Speaker 3: giving that up. I mean this was a month or
Speaker 3: so ago.
Speaker 2: Is a great play call?
Speaker 4: No, I mean I think we're getting into the good
Speaker 4: not great.
Speaker 3: At ten is Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4: I thought he'd be higher. Yeah, I mean I thought
Speaker 4: he'd be five.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I put this guy aside eleven
Speaker 2: Todd Monkin.
Speaker 4: They had a really good year on offense. He has
Speaker 4: a track record.
Speaker 2: Most of his track record, though, is not good. Talked
Speaker 2: about it when when they were hired him. It was
Speaker 2: just going to be different than what they did before,
Speaker 2: and in the grand scheme of things at the end
Speaker 2: of the season, was it really all that different. Their
Speaker 2: leading rusher was still Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I expect did more sweeping changes, but he was
Speaker 3: the MVP and they were one of the best offenses
Speaker 3: in the league. I'd have him in that neighborhood.
Speaker 2: At twelve, Drew Petsing with the Cardinals.
Speaker 4: They were really creative. I didn't study their offense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know people were excited about that coaching staff,
Speaker 3: where I thought it was not going to be the case.
Speaker 3: After one year.
Speaker 2: Thirteen he has Dave Canalis. Brad Iaac with the Panthers, did.
Speaker 3: Really good things with the Bucks, which is why he
Speaker 3: got higher. R resurrected Baker's career. He was kind of
Speaker 3: one year wonder.
Speaker 2: One year yeah, right, one year fourteen Arthur Smith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought people would think he's twenty fifth by
Speaker 3: the tone of Steeler day.
Speaker 2: Why didn't they go get one of these hot young guys.
Speaker 3: He's forty one and three years ago he was the
Speaker 3: hot young guy.
Speaker 2: That's why he got hired as a head.
Speaker 4: Coach, right, right, what do they say about him.
Speaker 2: A majority of Arthur Smith's play calling history is impressive.
Speaker 2: His work with Tennessee the Tennessee Titans was impressive enough
Speaker 2: to convince the Atlanta Falcons to hire him as a
Speaker 2: head coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in twenty.
Speaker 2: Smith got everything out of a decaying Matt Ryan and
Speaker 2: somehow steered Marcus Mariota to a top ten offense in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: I mean his hit his stint in Atlanta was probably
Speaker 3: the worst group of quarterbacks in the league for a
Speaker 3: three year over three year stratch.
Speaker 2: Things fell apart in twenty twenty three, of course, but
Speaker 2: I'm willing to blame that on Smith being over in
Speaker 2: over his head as a head coach, not being a
Speaker 2: poor play caller in a vacuum.
Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of truth to that.
Speaker 3: Now that Smith has just has to hand quarterbacks, yeah,
Speaker 3: now that.
Speaker 2: Smith just has to handle the offense, expect the Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: Steelers to quickly have one of the best run games
Speaker 2: in the league in a lethal play action attack off
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: That's my expectations, which is why you might not want
Speaker 3: to sign Russell Wilson too. Yeah, okay, fifteen Yeah, Bobby
Speaker 3: Slowick Yeah. I mean he's sort of the Ben Johnson
Speaker 3: hot coordinator, new head coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, candidate Sixteen Brian ball Slash Mike Kofka with the Giants.
Speaker 3: We've been a lot higher year ago. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Seventeen Doug Peterson's Press Taylor with the Jaguars.
Speaker 4: I guess, I guess that's average.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Eighteen Mike McCarthy At the bottom ten are all
Speaker 3: going to be unknowns, Yeah, well not necessarily.
Speaker 2: Eighteen is Brian Mike McCarthy. Brian Schottenheimer with the Cowboys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a track record there.
Speaker 2: Nineteen Callum Moore, who somehow keeps getting jobs he's not
Speaker 2: with the Eagles. I think he's overrated.
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a lot there that blows my doors off.
Speaker 2: Twenty Shame Waldron with the Bears.
Speaker 4: Solid.
Speaker 2: Twenty one Greg Roman with the Chargers. I don't think
Speaker 2: that's a good marriage at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're going to run the ball like crazy,
Speaker 3: but I hope Herbert's not doing ten carries a game.
Speaker 2: Twenty two Brian Callahan Nickolts with the Titans.
Speaker 3: He just don't know. He didn't plays with the plays.
Speaker 3: That's what I said. These bottom guys how do you
Speaker 3: even rack them?
Speaker 2: Twenty three Joe Brady at the Bills.
Speaker 3: He did good things when he took over. Yeah, getting
Speaker 3: the ball to Kincaid and Cook I think is promising.
Speaker 2: But he also flamed out in his other spot right right?
Speaker 3: Is his tracker is not tremendous.
Speaker 2: Twenty four Liam Cohen with the Buccaneers.
Speaker 3: I don't know he's except he's new. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Twenty five Ryan Grubb with the Seahawks.
Speaker 3: These are all the yea guys.
Speaker 2: Well this one's not. And people in Pittsburgh wanted this guy.
Speaker 4: I guess I know you're gonna talk about now.
Speaker 2: Twenty six is Cliff Kingsbury, and that's who he is.
Speaker 3: Yay, right.
Speaker 2: He is not a good offensive coordinator, He's not.
Speaker 3: It's a spread, it's a really weird approach. He doesn't
Speaker 3: get much out of really good players. I don't see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that would that offense would not have flown in Pittsburgh. No, literally, no,
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 3: It's a bad match too for what this team wants
Speaker 3: to do, what this organization wants to do.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven Luke gets with the Raiders.
Speaker 3: Saw Luke at the combine. Good to see you, Luke. Yeah,
Speaker 3: hope you move on up the list. Best of luck.
Speaker 2: Twenty eight Zach Robinson with the Falcons.
Speaker 4: I was that was the.
Speaker 3: Guy that I would have been very happy if they
Speaker 3: signed him, not over Smith or an record, right, No, yeah,
Speaker 3: but I liked what I did, the homework I did
Speaker 3: on him.
Speaker 2: Twenty nine Alex Van Pelt with the Patriots.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I kind of think we know that story by now, right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he's been around a long time.
Speaker 2: Uh thirty Clint Kubiak with the Saints.
Speaker 4: He's ever gotten a shot just so muy Kubiak.
Speaker 2: I thought he did in Minnesota for a year or
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 3: It's possible.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's hard to keep it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of Kubiak, but he was another hot
Speaker 3: name that people wanted. Yeah, just because he was a
Speaker 3: Niner his loan year.
Speaker 2: Yeah he had. In twenty twenty one, he called plays
Speaker 2: for the Viking. Okay, yeah, so there is a They
Speaker 2: finished thirteenth in offensive DVO that year, largely thanks largely
Speaker 2: to their top ten passing offense.
Speaker 3: Yeah okay, okay, I mean yeah, they good good weapons
Speaker 3: to thirty one Nathaniel Hackett with the Jets. Yeah, he's
Speaker 3: there for one reason, and he was really bad with them,
Speaker 3: really bad.
Speaker 2: Uh and then thirty two Dan Pitcher with the Bengals. Well,
Speaker 2: he does call the plays.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Zach Taylor should be Zach Taylor should be there. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he definitely should be on that list. And he reads
Speaker 3: on that list. Yeah right, maybe Zach Taylor should be fifteenth.
Speaker 2: Actually, like Zach Taylor the way he calls the game
Speaker 2: better than it like what Stefanski calls the game.
Speaker 3: I would say the three other AFC North ones would
Speaker 3: be a conversation how you rank? Yeah, you know, they
Speaker 3: all pretty much track record that they're it's not unknown. Yeah,
Speaker 3: although Stefanski got a lot better when he got the
Speaker 3: number one overall pick a quarterback and then added the
Speaker 3: top five wide receiver Taylor did Taylor? Taylor? I don't
Speaker 3: say Stefanki's not getting much out of his no, his
Speaker 3: expensive quarterback, that's the thing. Yeah, right, I know Sefanski
Speaker 3: won Coach of the Year.
Speaker 2: And twice one of twice, he hasn't won a division
Speaker 2: He hasn't won a division title, and he's won of
Speaker 2: coach of the Year twice.
Speaker 3: If he doesn't do something with Watson this year, though,
Speaker 3: he's getting fired. I think he gets fired, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: if Watson's the twenty first best quarterback, there's a.
Speaker 2: Better chance he gets fired in he gets something out
Speaker 2: of Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 3: I kind of think so too. I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean he went through a lot of court I'd love
Speaker 3: to see watching stayed healthy for seventeen games and we
Speaker 3: can finally say is he could or not?
Speaker 2: I think Cleveland would too.
Speaker 4: Callywould. I think we know the answer though, or we
Speaker 4: have a strong I'm.
Speaker 2: Pretty strong about Yeah, he's not going to be a
Speaker 2: top ten quarterback.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think so at this stage.
Speaker 3: I mean, he hasn't been in five years.
Speaker 2: I think they'd be fortunate if he became a top
Speaker 2: fifteen quarterback.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, I think they'd take that right now for
Speaker 3: what they're paying, which is a terrible deal, but right.
Speaker 3: I mean I think i'd take that if I were them. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So yuck.
Speaker 2: But that is the that's the list of play that's
Speaker 2: according to Derek Colossa, how he sees Arthur Smith fourteenth
Speaker 2: in the league.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't think that's crazy at all. And frankly,
Speaker 3: if it was a year ago, I bet he'd be ninth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coming off the seasons that he had had in Atlanta.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and with Tyler Algier and quarter O Patterson and
Speaker 4: mary Oda.
Speaker 3: Patterson into a legit NFL weapon, right right, Nobody had
Speaker 3: been able to unlock that clear that Falcons offense, not
Speaker 3: this past year, two years ago, wasn't very talented and
Speaker 3: they were tough to play against.
Speaker 4: They were really tough to play against.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Pitch was in his second year, London
Speaker 3: was in his first, Bijon wasn't there yet. Bergeron wasn't
Speaker 3: there yet. Quarterbacks were even as bad as ever. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Again made Marcus Mariota top.
Speaker 4: Then he's really bad.
Speaker 3: He has a hard time completing passage. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So anyways, that's that list that's going to do it
Speaker 2: for the show to they met, all right, that's our week.
Speaker 3: Next week we're going.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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