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Speaker 1: Now fish on the open. This is Draft Season, John Schmelke,

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Speaker 1: Tony Poline from sports Keta with you. Draft Season is

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Speaker 1: moodys dot com. Tony, another fun weekend of college football,

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Speaker 1: including a more of a classic Big Ten game. It's

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Speaker 1: not Rutgers USC or some other new fangled Big Ten

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Speaker 1: matchup Ohio State and Penn State.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna tell about that game.

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Speaker 1: A lot of others are also gonna do Tony's risers

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Speaker 1: and sliders on the offensive side of the ball. On

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Speaker 1: today's show, Tony, Let's go the Hio State Penn State.

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Speaker 1: And this looked like an old school Ohio State Penn

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Speaker 1: of this year was not to be.

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Speaker 3: Now, I mean, two maligned coaches and really right off

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Speaker 3: the bat, if you watch that game, Penn State marches

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Speaker 3: down the field, they get a field goal, they get

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Speaker 3: a pick six against Will Howard, and then you know,

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Speaker 3: the tables turned and Ohio State stop Penn State. What

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Speaker 3: on two or fourth and goals they Penn State couldn't

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Speaker 3: kick it, push it into the end zone. I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of what we've seen from these teams throughout

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Speaker 3: the year inconsistent play from many of their top prospects.

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Speaker 3: And I think let's start off with drewe Laar, who

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Speaker 3: as a true freshman at Penn State, everybody was fawning over,

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Speaker 3: justifiably so because he looked so fantastic. Everybody, including myself,

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Speaker 3: had him created as a potential early pick at the

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Speaker 3: quarterback position. Yet I mean, he's very streaky, he struggles

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Speaker 3: getting into a groove in games. He makes some outstanding receptions,

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Speaker 3: and then he just shows poor vision. And I think

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Speaker 3: if you watch that game, you have to say that

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Speaker 3: Will Howard, who would at best is a Day three pick,

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Speaker 3: was the better quarterback over drewel Are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, largest sixteen of the largest, twelve of twenty tony

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Speaker 1: one hundred and forty six yards, no touchdowns and a

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Speaker 1: pick Will Howard sixteen or twenty four a pair of

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Speaker 1: touchdowns in an interception, and you know, Penn State they

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Speaker 1: just couldn't get their passing him going. And we'll talk

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Speaker 1: and you know, Alar's trying to get himself into a

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Speaker 1: Day two conversation here. I think with the NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: this year and this this certainly did not help his cause.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think he's going to go date. I think

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Speaker 3: coming into the season, people thought maybe top twenty, potentially

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Speaker 3: that everyone expected. But like many of the quarterbacks that

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Speaker 3: talk about in the show, you know, they really haven't.

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Speaker 3: A Lara has not lived up to expectations.

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Speaker 1: A couple other players in this game we want to

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Speaker 1: talk about. Tony Abdul Carter had a pair of sacks.

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Speaker 1: He's your guy, and he continues to show out this year.

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Speaker 4: He's just so explosive, he's athletic, he's strong. Yeah. They

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Speaker 3: Ohio State is down to their third offensive tackle with

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Speaker 3: So they took Donavond Jackson, natural guard and kicked him

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Speaker 3: all of a sudden, Abdull Carter just found the way

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Speaker 4: Had two sacks.

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Speaker 3: He is I mean, he's not the biggest guy in

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Speaker 3: he can do so much more. He is good standing

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Speaker 1: Let's take on the defensive side of the ball to

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Speaker 1: Ohio State pass rushes, Jat Twamalo and Jack Sawyer your thoughts.

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Speaker 3: the season, he's got four point five sacks. Now, this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to touch on some of the offensive

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Speaker 1: skill players in this game, Tony. The running backs first

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Speaker 3: What impressed me about Jenkins was his all around game.

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Speaker 3: I mean he was picking up the difficult yardage on

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Speaker 3: showing good vision. He's very explosive. He's got sneaky speed.

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Speaker 1: He gave blocking and then Trevion Henderson again ten for

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Speaker 3: Ground, absolutely, because you know, like Drew law Off the

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Speaker 1: Now, this guy wasn't on your list here, Tony, but

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Speaker 1: talked a ton about a Mecca Agbuka so far this year,

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Speaker 1: you know, we talked about him last year. If he

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Speaker 1: how has Abuka either helped or hurt his draft stock

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Speaker 3: He definitely hasn't helped it. You could say it's either

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Speaker 4: I mean, he.

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Speaker 3: Hasn't really presented himself as anything more than a potential

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Speaker 3: he's making the plays.

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Speaker 4: He's a dynamic receiver.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean he looks like a big time

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Speaker 4: But I think to your point, I don't think he's

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Speaker 3: I think he's either remained level or maybe a stake

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Speaker 1: So it's still looking at a Day two pick probably for him.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Jeremiah Smith. He's not draft eligible and and

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Speaker 1: NFL fans don't get excited. That's the twenty twenty seven

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Speaker 1: One other draft ineligible player tone you want to talk

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Speaker 1: about was Caleb Downs from this game?

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about a complete safety, a guy

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Speaker 3: he shows outstanding ball skills, a guy who brings it

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Speaker 3: against the run, you know, physical player to transfer from Alabama.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he is everything he is cracked up to be.

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Speaker 3: That inconsistency and the less than the lower than expectations

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Speaker 3: this guy is all over the field making positive plays

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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump to another game here, Tony ole

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Speaker 1: Miss in Arkansas. Arkansaw has been pretty competitive this year,

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Speaker 1: but they were not competitive against this Ole Miss offense.

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Speaker 1: My goodness, Jackson dar in this game twenty five of

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Speaker 1: thirty one, five hundred and fifteen receiving yards, six touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Now on the year, he's completing eighty percent of his

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Speaker 1: passes twenty one touchdown, three picks, over three thousand passing yards. Uh.

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Speaker 2: Just an unbelievable performance that of Jackson Darton.

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Speaker 1: That Ole Miss offense is they try to secure their

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, he's actually closer to eighty one percent

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Speaker 3: And you know, Jackson Dart, I like him. I like

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Speaker 1: I think he was hurt, right, So Jordan Watkins went

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Speaker 3: you know, good for Watkins, good for Jackson Darton. I

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Speaker 3: know you got Trey Harris there, you got Watkins, gare

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Speaker 3: as I'm fumbling over myself as a Carrie Franklin who's

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Speaker 3: I have a six round grade on him. Coming into

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Speaker 2: I need to check the pronunciation on this, and I

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Speaker 2: don't have it. Oh, good luck, princely Uman Nielin.

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Speaker 1: I believe something close to that your thoughts, Tony, I

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Speaker 3: We'll call him Prince. You know the pass rusher formerly

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Speaker 3: this season. The problem with him is motor and consistency.

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Speaker 3: He's everything you want and that edge rusher can stand

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Speaker 3: it isn't always there. And he has second rounds, Day

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to Oregon and Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Tony, Evan Stewart and Trey Shawn Holden a chance to

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Speaker 1: go against Michigan with that Will Johnson. Evan Stewart though

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Speaker 4: You know, here's the problem with Evan Stewart.

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Speaker 3: At times, He looks like a first round prospect, and

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Speaker 3: That inconsistency is concerned when you look at Stewart, He's

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Speaker 3: his play. I think at this point in time he

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Speaker 1: Running back Jordan James a productive day twenty three, twenty

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Speaker 1: But you were impressed by doing Gabriel, who I know,

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Speaker 1: he's not a big pro prospect Tony, but there was

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Speaker 3: Completed seventy five percent of his passes this year, nineteen tds,

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Speaker 3: He's that type of quarterback. Ironically led Oklahoma last year

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Speaker 1: Well done that dunking water, Good job, well done. Whatever

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Speaker 4: You know, Okay, that was not playing. That was not planned.

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Speaker 3: That was where he's going on, especially coming from my head.

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Speaker 3: You know, just the way he runs the offfense. We

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Speaker 3: Gabriel knows where his receivers are uses. All his receivers

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then again, Oregon, I think we all assume they're

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Speaker 1: here Tony, so he'll have a chance to will against

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Speaker 1: I don't think we featured either one of these teams

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Speaker 3: For the year, He's got sixty eight receptions seven thirty

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Speaker 3: If you will, six to one, one hundred and ninety

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Speaker 4: He's your bigger possession of receiver.

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Speaker 3: A lowly, sneaky fast I mean, he's the guy who's

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Speaker 4: That speed, doesn't have that burst.

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Speaker 3: But if you're looking for that bigger, big body, contest

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Speaker 2: And then, what do you like about Malik Verdon?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 3: I mean we talked about the kid from a Manwari,

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Speaker 1: All right, Tennessee and Kentucky, Tony, you like a bunch

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Speaker 3: Well, You know, we always talk about the Kentucky defensive tackles,

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Speaker 4: Had three tackles, one tackle for the loss, one sack.

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Speaker 3: He's six three and a half excuse me, three hundred

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Speaker 4: He's a playmaker at that size. He's not just a

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Speaker 3: Walker of Kentucky is probably a first round pick, you're

436
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Speaker 3: looking at Omar Thomas being a Day three pick. But

437
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Speaker 3: Omar Thomas has all the skills and the intensity to

438
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Speaker 3: play on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tony, Let's get to our risers and sliders here,

441
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Speaker 1: and these are guys we talked about over the course

442
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Speaker 1: of the year, but it's good to kind of focus

443
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Speaker 1: in on them. At quarterback, the first guy on your

444
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,560
Speaker 1: list is cam Ward coming off the game where he

445
00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 1: completed twenty five or forty one passes for four hundred yards.

446
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 1: Five touchdown game at quarterback, And if I had to,

447
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, guess right now who the top quarterback would

448
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,920
Speaker 1: be in this year's draft. Just because of a lot

449
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: of the other stuff with Shad or Sanders that's going on,

450
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 1: that might scare some teams a little bit. And frankly,

451
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Speaker 1: cam Ward's a little bit. You know, I think more

452
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Speaker 1: of a physical prospect than than than than Sanders is.

453
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Speaker 1: I think it's probably cam Ward. He's got a heck

454
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Speaker 1: of a year twenty nine touchdown, six picks on the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's probably more mature because he's played more football,

456
00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 3: more football. McCall zoe Washington State transfer. Remember the story

457
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 3: last year, was gonna transfer out to Washington State, entered

458
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Speaker 3: the transfer porter, then said he's gonna enter the draft.

459
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Speaker 3: He was actually on the Shrine Bowl roster. We talked

460
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Speaker 3: to Eric Galaco about that, decided the hot back and

461
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Speaker 3: the transfer portal got the deal he wanted for Miami

462
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Speaker 3: and it's worked out for everybody. Why is he a riser, Well,

463
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Speaker 3: he's a riser because coming into the season, scouts and

464
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Speaker 3: everybody else looked at him as a you know, day three,

465
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Speaker 3: fifth round pick, and now he's jumping towards the early

466
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Speaker 3: part of Round one. Last time that happened was Jaden

467
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Speaker 3: Daniels a year ago, So I'm there are still some fundamentals.

468
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 3: The way he throws the ball, he's got to work out,

469
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: but the guy's on a straight shot north. As far

470
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Speaker 3: as his draft stock, he's concerned as well as the

471
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Speaker 3: Miami Hurricanes. I mean they're undefeated. You talked about that

472
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Speaker 3: game Saturday. They were down in the game, as they

473
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Speaker 3: were against Louisville in a couple of games, and again

474
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Speaker 3: cam Ward just finds a way to answer.

475
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Speaker 2: Yaron Nessamier another guy we've talked about here. Tony.

476
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Speaker 1: He was on a buy this week coming off not

477
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Speaker 1: a great game against Sexist A and M though twenty

478
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Speaker 1: five to fifty four, five yards, three picks in that game,

479
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Speaker 1: a compair of touchdowns. He's the guy that I think

480
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Speaker 1: could do for another year of seasoning at LSU. We'll

481
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Speaker 1: see if he decides to go back, but otherwise, I

482
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Speaker 1: think he's a guy that some teams will like.

483
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Speaker 3: I think he's got to go back. I think it's

484
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Speaker 3: a mistake if he enters the draft. He's got a

485
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Speaker 3: very high touchdowns interception ratio. Throws too many picks. There's

486
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Speaker 3: a lot to like about nus Meyer, who was basically

487
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Speaker 3: off the radar coming into the season because it was

488
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 3: old Jaden Daniels last year. I think we're seeing the

489
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Speaker 3: development of potentially very good quarterback. But I agree with

490
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Speaker 3: you should go back for another year.

491
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Speaker 1: And then Curtis Rourke in the Hoosiers who continue to

492
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Speaker 1: just dominate in the Big Den Tony. They're trying to

493
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Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. Here a transfer out of Ohio.

494
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Speaker 1: I believe this is his sixth year, if I want,

495
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Speaker 1: I was looking earlier.

496
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Speaker 2: Today, Uh six seven.

497
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Speaker 1: He's got all the size he wont seventy three percent

498
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Speaker 1: completion rate.

499
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Speaker 2: He's been great this year.

500
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Speaker 4: Phenomenal.

501
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Speaker 3: I mean probably he plays for the best coach in

502
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Speaker 3: coaching college football, and Kurt Signetti, who's turned that program

503
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Speaker 3: around in the dime, has also turned warp season career

504
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: around on a dime. Us completing seventy three percent of

505
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 3: his passes twenty two hundred yards, passing nineteen touchdowns only

506
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Speaker 3: three tds. Missed one game because he had surgery on

507
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 3: his thumb, came back. They've got a big game in

508
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,679
Speaker 3: two weeks against the Ohio State that will be very telling.

509
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Speaker 4: But as far as Roark is concerned, you're.

510
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Speaker 3: Talking about a guy that was a fringe seventh round

511
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Speaker 3: pick who I believe has solidly put himself into Day

512
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Speaker 3: three because of the decision making, because of the way

513
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,120
Speaker 3: he's consistently played at a high level. He's got nice size,

514
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Speaker 3: he's got a decent armed They really don't throw the

515
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 3: ball downfield that much, so you can really because they

516
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: don't have the receivers by early, so you can really

517
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: get a grip on what is his deep arm is,

518
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 3: like his arm strength or his accuracy. A lot to

519
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 3: like there and work. You know, he's basically lesser version

520
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 3: of camp Ward. I mean, he's exceeded expectations wildly, and

521
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 3: his team has exceeded expectations wildly, and it's in large

522
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Speaker 3: part due to his play at quarterback.

523
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Speaker 1: And then we have our three slider as a quarterback here,

524
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Speaker 1: Tony of Carson Beck. He has two more interceptions in

525
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Speaker 1: four of his last five games, which is a crazy number.

526
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: Quitty yours, who obviously missed some games due to injury.

527
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: He doesn't have one three hundred yard passing game this year,

528
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Speaker 1: which I think is fairly telling. And then Riley Leonard,

529
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Speaker 1: who transferred to Notre Dame from Duke, just hasn't been

530
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Speaker 1: able to get anything wrong with the passing game.

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Speaker 3: I think Carson back, if I'm correct, had through three

532
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Speaker 3: interceptions against Georgia. I'm sorry, he plays with you through

533
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: three interceptions against Alabama, three interceptions against Texas, three interceptions

534
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Speaker 3: against Florida. And these are not by opportunistic interceptions where

535
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 3: they're tip balls. These are situations where Carson Beck is

536
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: throwing into double and even triple coverage where he's misreading

537
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Speaker 3: the defense. Now, the headline saying his great plays in

538
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: the second half brought the team back, Yeah, but his

539
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 3: band interceptions in the first half is what is digging

540
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 3: the hole for Georgia and they need to come back.

541
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Speaker 3: And again, I mean, Carson Beck is a guy that

542
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Speaker 3: you know, you're in New York, You're all the time

543
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 3: top ten pick New York Giants, Tega, No way. I

544
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 3: mean when you can't, when you're a quarterback and you

545
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 3: are throwing this many interceptions, you are just going to

546
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Speaker 3: drop down draft boards.

547
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Speaker 4: And I think it's gonna be very tough.

548
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Speaker 3: The way Carson Beck has played to make a case

549
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Speaker 3: for him as a top fifteen pick, come to twenty

550
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Speaker 3: twenty five NFL drafts and saves. As far as yours

551
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 3: is concerned, you know, it's the same old, same old viewers.

552
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 3: And I was a fan of his, But he's very

553
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Speaker 3: slow to move his head off the primary target. He's

554
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 3: very late pulling the trigger. I mean, he it takes

555
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 3: too much time to make his decisions. You can do

556
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: that on Saturday. You do that on Sunday, you're gonna

557
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 3: get slaughtered.

558
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: And how about then Riley Leonard, Tony a guy that

559
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: again just has not been able to get that pass

560
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: game going.

561
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 2: A Notre Dame.

562
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 3: Better runner than passer, better athlete than quarterback. I mean,

563
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: just has not developed this game. Shown flashes early on,

564
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 3: but his game has remained stagnant. And you know, again,

565
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 3: I never thought of Ry Leonard other than anything other than.

566
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Speaker 4: A day's repick. And there were some people who thought

567
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Speaker 4: he could be a first round choice. No way.

568
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569
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571
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Speaker 1: let's go to the running back position. And I'm not

572
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Speaker 1: sure there's another player in this draft class that has

573
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Speaker 1: rocket shipped himself into You know, he's not gonna be

574
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: the top pick in the draft, but you could argue

575
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Speaker 1: he's the most talented and explosive player in this draft class.

576
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Speaker 1: That's Ashton Gente from Boise State. I mean, these are

577
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: like best kid in high school stats right fifteen hundred

578
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: rushing yards already, twenty touchdowns on the ground, eight yards

579
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: per carry, throw another receiving touchdown to boot. I mean,

580
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: this guy looks like Barry saying, he looks like a

581
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: kid that's playing against kids like three years younger than him.

582
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, and it is his verst.

583
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 4: Little ball carry.

584
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 3: He's not just a between the tackles runner. He can

585
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 3: turn the corner, he can get outside, he can beat

586
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: the defenders around the perimeter. He's prone to those big

587
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 3: yard plays where if there's any slight open space, he

588
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: will take it thirty thirty five yards. Obviously, it's got

589
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 3: to be the favorite for the Heisman right now. The

590
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 3: San Diego Steak game by night was very interesting because

591
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: I was watching it. I think at halftime he had

592
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: like twelve carries for thirty nine yards and at the

593
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 3: time Boise State was winning by almost four touchdowns. I'm like, well,

594
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 3: what are they going to do with him in the

595
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: second half? You know, you put him on the field,

596
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 3: you give him the ball, you're a sk injury. Oh,

597
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 3: I gave him the ball. I think he ended up

598
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Speaker 3: with one hundred and forty yards in that game. Just

599
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 3: he newly answers the call. Will be the first running

600
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Speaker 3: back selected off the board next April. I got to

601
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Speaker 3: assume somewhere between pick twelve to eighteen, depending on what

602
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 3: the order is.

603
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure there'll be a big conversations whether or

604
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Speaker 1: not he can figure out a way to slide into

605
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Speaker 1: the back end of that top ten.

606
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Speaker 2: We'll see how this goes for the remainder of the year.

607
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: A player that we talked about before last season started

608
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Speaker 1: Tony has a potential top running back in last year's

609
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,679
Speaker 1: draft class was Raheem Sanders.

610
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: He was then at Arkansas.

611
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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty two, he had a fourteen hundred yard season,

612
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 1: big guy athletic, and last year frankly a disastrous year

613
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Speaker 1: for him.

614
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: It just did not go well.

615
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: You've pointed out on the show Weed issues things like that,

616
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: but he has come out and had a heck of

617
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Speaker 1: a year. At his last game against Texas A and

618
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Speaker 1: M one hundred and forty four rushing yards on the ground.

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Speaker 1: And he's a guy that wants to get back into

620
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Speaker 1: this running back mix and what's a pretty loaded class.

621
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Speaker 3: Five hundred and seven yards and more importantly ATDs and

622
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Speaker 3: you know I've talked about this before. You look at

623
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Speaker 3: the success that Raylen Allen, the fourth round pick of

624
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: the New York just is having for that team, not

625
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: just as a road grader, but as a guy with

626
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 3: excellent vision, terrific short area of quickness, the ability to

627
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: not just run over defenders but started around them.

628
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 4: And create yards.

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Speaker 3: That's what you're seeing with receipt with Raheem Sanders, obviously,

630
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 3: the change of scenery he has worked well for him.

631
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Speaker 4: He's having a terrific year.

632
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: He's an exciting player to watch on an offense that

633
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 3: can be up and down. At South Carolina. You know,

634
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 3: Sanders has done a good job answering the call when

635
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: they need it and he's helped his draft stock.

636
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: And Dylan Samson has done a good job at Tennessee.

637
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: This past week, twenty seven carries one hundred and forty

638
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: two yards, two more touchdowns.

639
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Speaker 3: He's been very productive, very explosive running back who was

640
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: a rotational guy last year. They handed him the ball.

641
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: He's helping the team, he's helping his draft stock. Explosive.

642
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: You know, if there's a little bit of space, he

643
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 3: is gone. I think a guy who not too many

644
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 3: people knew about going into the season. Right now, you're

645
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Speaker 3: looking at a top top one hundred and twenty five pick.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Caleb Johnson can become a top one

647
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Speaker 1: hundred twenty five pick. He's been so productive tony twelve

648
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: hundred rushing yards, nineteen touchdowns, seven and a half yards

649
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Speaker 1: per carry.

650
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Speaker 2: He's been dominant pribly.

651
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Speaker 3: And the thing I like about Johnson is, you know,

652
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Speaker 3: you look at Iowa backs in the past, and they

653
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 3: were primarily downhill ball carriers. Johnson shows great vision, He

654
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 3: shows great run instincts, the ability to create yards, make

655
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 3: defenders miss basically leave him grasping for air, and then

656
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: he's off to the races. If there's any any open

657
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 3: room at all, I think there's the first at still

658
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: better running on the inside, but he's got a lot

659
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: of ability to pick and choose his spots on the

660
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 3: inside and create yardage, which is why I like him more.

661
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 3: I'm usually down on Iowa running backs. Johnson has really

662
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:41,719
Speaker 3: impressed me.

663
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Speaker 1: He only had five hundred and four to sixty yards

664
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Speaker 1: last year, so he's taking a big step as he's

665
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: got more responsibility. And then one running back that hasn't

666
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: necessarily made the most of his opportunities this year as

667
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: Florida's and not surprised Florida's had a rough year right

668
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: Montreal Johnson.

669
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Speaker 3: And you would think with the ups and downs at

670
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 3: the quarterback position, there would be lean on him. Three

671
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy three yards this year on seventy carries.

672
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 3: Coming into the season, he was great as a potential

673
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: third round pick. You got to think of him right

674
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: now as a midday three pick, probably in the fifth round.

675
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: All right wide receivers and tight end some of the risers.

676
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: Tony Let's Starr with Evan Stewart, we talked about him

677
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: briefly before. He's had some big time flashes, but extremely

678
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: inconsistent game to game.

679
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 3: But it's an inconsistent receiver position, so there's a lot

680
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: of room for if he takes off the rest of

681
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 3: the season and there will be those opportunities playing for

682
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 3: Oregon because they're gonna be playing deep into the year,

683
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 3: into the playoffs. You know, Evan Stewart, can you know,

684
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: watch his draft stock rise and you know what's gonna happen.

685
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: And we've seen it time before, a time and a

686
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: half in the past, is Evan Stewart will have one

687
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: or two spectacular games in the playoffs and everyone will,

688
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: you know, start to overdraft him or get a little

689
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 3: bit too crazy about him. But he'll find a level.

690
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: And his level, you know, is definitely late first round

691
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 3: potential if he starts to pick up the play. He's

692
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 3: got that sort of skill, and.

693
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 2: I think it's telling Tony.

694
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: As for the wide receiver class, we've had so many

695
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: really good classes the last few years. Only one wide

696
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: receiver on your list year, but you do have two

697
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: tight ends. Tyler Warren out of Penn State fifty one

698
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: catches over six hundred yards four touchdowns, but I think

699
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: almost three hundred and seventy yards came in just two games.

700
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: He had that two hundred and twenty four yard game

701
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: versus USC one hundred and forty six yard versus Bowling

702
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: Green six six two fifty seven big kid.

703
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean guy who does everything. He blocks, He

704
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 3: basically catches the ball out in the backfield. They had

705
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 3: that play they should to play against USC where he

706
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 3: actually was in the center. He snapped the ball, then

707
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 3: he went out of the pass run and he caught

708
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 3: the touchdown. I mean, he does a little bit of everything.

709
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 3: I still think he's going to be the second tight

710
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: end taken in the draft after the Michigan kid.

711
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 4: Loveland.

712
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: Not gonna run all that fast, but he's a three

713
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 3: down tight end. He's a I don't want to say

714
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: he's a throwback type. He's a little bit more than that.

715
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: He's just not the great scene. But when you have

716
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: a guy you can put on the field as a

717
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 3: third down receiver in short yards, as a third down blocker,

718
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: you can send him over in the middle ten to

719
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 3: twelve yards and he does so many things for you,

720
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: definitely gonna help.

721
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: It definitely helped this draft stock.

722
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: All right.

723
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: And then how about tight end Eli Stowers. Vanderbilts had

724
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: a really good year, Tony. We haven't talked about many

725
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: of their players. Thirty eight catches, five hundred and sixteen

726
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: yards and four touchdowns.

727
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: New Mexico State transfer followed his coach Jerry Kill from

728
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 3: New Mexico State to.

729
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: Vanderbilt.

730
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 3: Thirty eight receptions, five hundred and sixteen yards, four tds.

731
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: He is a decent length six three and a half.

732
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: He probably goes about two hundred and thirty pounds. He's

733
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: more of your moved tight end prospect. He is what

734
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: Tyler Warren isn't. He's a guy that can get down

735
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 3: the field. He's a guy that stretches the scene. He's

736
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: a guy that's going to create mismatches in the secondary.

737
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: He is a real good athlete that is becoming a

738
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: much better pass catcher. And he is someone who when

739
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 3: I watched the film last year from New Mexico State,

740
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, you know, fifth, sixth round, but right now,

741
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 3: I mean he's moving fourth round if he tests well.

742
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: Potentially third rounder for Eli Stowers if he enters a draft.

743
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: And two sliders at the pass catching positions. Rara Thomas

744
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: from Georgia, Tony and Antoine Wells out of miss Yeah.

745
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: Ro Rod Thomas, if you watch the two twenty three film,

746
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: looked like he had big time potential. Got suspended in

747
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 3: the preseason because of an arrest. I think it was

748
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 3: domestic assault. If I am wrong, I apologize. Somebody could

749
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: correct me. But he's not playing football. That's the thing

750
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: with Rohrad Thomas. We don't know if he's going to

751
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: be playing football. And he was a guy who had

752
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: Day two potential. Antoine Wells I talked about him earlier.

753
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 3: The South Carolina transfer is playing at Mississippi right now,

754
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: came into the twenty twenty three season with Day two grades.

755
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: As I believe, twenty two or twenty three catches has

756
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 3: never rebound from the injury three games in the twenty

757
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: twenty three season that put him on the sidelines. You know,

758
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 3: he is definitely slid and now he could end up

759
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 3: as a late round gem if he ever gets back

760
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 3: to the playing form that he showed in twenty twenty two.

761
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 3: But there's no doubt that, you know, Antoine Wells draft

762
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 3: stock right now is significantly lower than it was just

763
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: four months ago.

764
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: Let's go to the offensive line, Tony, who are your

765
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 2: risers there?

766
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 3: A Jonah Mounheim of USC formerly left tackle, moved to

767
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: center this year, is developing at the position, could be

768
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: the first center drafted. He's smart, he's tough, relatively strong.

769
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 3: The problem monheim Is. I think his arm length is

770
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 3: going to be under thirty two inches, which is going

771
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 3: to knock down his draft stock. But he's a real

772
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 3: good the blocker, Donovo.

773
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: If his arms are thirty one inch is a good thing.

774
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: He didn't stay at tackle because that would not have

775
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 1: worked out.

776
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: There, absolutely not, But it did last year for USC.

777
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: If you watched the film, he was a real good

778
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 3: left tackle at USC, and they smartly moved them into center,

779
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: and he's developing at the position. Donovan Jackson, who I

780
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: talked about earlier, who's playing the left tackle out of

781
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 3: need for Ohouse there right now, Donovan Jackson. Going into

782
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,959
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three season, a lot of people thought, hey,

783
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: first round, maybe first round, late first round, had a

784
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 3: terrible season, went back really played well left guard for

785
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: Ohio State the first six or seven games before they

786
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: kicked him out to left tackle. Really showed that that

787
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,919
Speaker 3: playing ability and the potential that he had previously shown.

788
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 4: I think it was right guard.

789
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 3: I apologize uh as his own blocking lineman gets out

790
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 3: on the second level, can take out linebackers, can hit

791
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: a moving target, shows the ability to kick out and

792
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: pull around. Now he's gonna have to play left tackle,

793
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 3: hopefully for Ohouse States safe. He you know, he develops

794
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 3: Colby Connor Colby of Iowa, a guy who's been there

795
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 3: for a long time, a lot of starts. Not great

796
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,320
Speaker 3: in any aspect, but he's solid in all areas of

797
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 3: the offensive line position.

798
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: And who are your sliders on the offensive line? And

799
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: maybe they're sliders?

800
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't I don't know that

801
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: anyone's really slid down, but I think you gotta say

802
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 3: that there is some disappointment in Will Campbell. There is

803
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: maybe some dis appointment the second half of the season

804
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: in Calvin Banks. Have talked about Will Campbell before he's

805
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: played well lately, some people say guard. I don't think so.

806
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be a left tackle. Just doesn't

807
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: show that nasty attitude. Calvin Banks, who was so terrific

808
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 3: early in the season, got exploited at Georgia game. As

809
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 3: I said on this on this podcast way back, he

810
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 3: probably isn't gonna measure six foot four. Some teams already

811
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: have him on the guardboard. I think that will just

812
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: naturally suppress the draft stock and knock it down a notch.

813
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll keep it on it all right, Tony, I

814
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: am off to Munich with the New York Football Giants.

815
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: We'll leaven Thursday night.

816
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: We'll be back then the Giants are on their bye week,

817
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 1: but we will make sure we get you an episode

818
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: of Draft Season. Tony will go through the weekend of

819
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 1: college football, which I'm gonna warn you fans ahead of time.

820
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: I am not gonna see two seconds of it. So

821
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna lean on Tony next week on what happened

822
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: in college football. He'll do his defensive side of the ball,

823
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: Riders and Sliders. In the following week. I'm trying to

824
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: grab Dan Brugl or his new Top fifty list will

825
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: be coming out and we can kind of do another

826
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 1: kind of overview of the class episode like we did

827
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 1: with Kyle Krabs last week.

828
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: Tony party wards or thoughts.

829
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 4: Well, since I'm gonna be watching all the college football

830
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 4: this weekend, I know I speak for most of yours

831
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: when I say, when you come back from Munich, we

832
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 4: want to break down and a scattering report on all

833
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 4: the best beers in Munich. That's what we want to

834
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 4: know about. So that's gonna be your responsibility next show.

835
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,359
Speaker 2: And pretzels as well.

836
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,760
Speaker 1: My friend, there will be many of pretzol being consumed

837
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: in Germany, and my wife's coming out for a couple

838
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: of days. We managed to con my brother and his

839
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: wife into watching the kids over the weekend, Tony, so

840
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: we actually have a kid free like weekend. It's our

841
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: tenth wedding anniversary this year, so it'll be a nice

842
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: little weekend.

843
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 3: That's some fun out there, javol as they say in Germany.

844
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: Right, yes, but we will also be of course, giant's play.

845
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: I'd love you a lot of work to do as well.

846
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: Can't wait to get out there, Tony.

847
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: Good stuff.

848
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: You can always check out Tony stuff on sports Kia

849
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: dot com. Thanks ton, Thanks Jean, enjoyed a trip that

850
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,440
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851
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852
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,360
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853
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,000
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Speaker 2: Everybody,